Travis, Jake, and Liv sift through the gems in the latest dump of Epstein documents released by the House Oversight Committee. The records show interactions with individuals across politics, academia, finance and media, including Noam Chomsky, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, and author Michael Wolff. We cover Epstein’s comments about Trump, Michael Wolff’s creepy work with Epstein, Bannon’s request to visit “the island” the day that Epstein was arrested in New Jersey, and the notorious email in which Epstein’s brother references a “photo of Trump blowing Bubba.” Plus: how the QAnon and conspiracist communities are spinning the new revelations.
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We still don't have a complete accounting of Epstein's activities and the extent to which powerful people either participated in them or were complicit with them.
We don't have a complete record of how many girls were victimized by Epstein.
The DOJ has said that the number of victims is over a thousand over the decades, but we don't have anything precise.
But you know what?
We do have documents.
Lots of new documents.
Over 20,000 new documents released by the House Oversight Committee earlier this month, which were obtained from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
America runs on documents.
Which includes American sex trafficking.
Yeah, that's the new breakfast sandwich.
These documents include private emails, text messages, schedules, and financial records, which do shed some more light on Epstein's network of high-profile associates and what they may have known about his crimes, but they are just as frequently cryptic, difficult to parse, and require a lot of context to make sense of.
So in lieu of substantial transparency and justice, we can instead pour through these emails, decoding them and trying to figure out what they might expose about our political, media, and financial elites.
Yeah, I talked about this blue sky a bit, how like the Pizzagators were very wrong in the specifics.
They're very bad at analysis, but they won culturally.
It's like trying to parse through emails to decode them, try to make sense of what they're saying is normal political discourse now.
Yeah, and it's way easier instead of having to parse through like kind of like old hat politics, you know, is to just be like anti-pedophile.
Like you're against those kind of people.
Like who's gonna, who's gonna take up a stand against you?
I was thinking of like a guy who's like, because there are some people defending Epstein, especially because he was attached to Trump.
Like you had that, who's the older blonde Megan Kelly.
Megan Kelly being like, they're 17.
Come on.
Like, like that sort of lion.
15.
Which is barely legal.
Like she was familiar with the genre of pornography.
I thought that was so weird.
Yeah.
But I am like imagining, enjoying imagining a guy who's like doing like reverse Pizzagate stuff where it's like, no, no, no.
In that email where Jeffrey Epstein talks about buying children, that's actually code for walnut sauce on his pizza.
They couldn't talk about that literally.
You don't understand.
These new records show interactions with individuals from across politics, academia, finance, and media, including Noam Chomsky, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, and author Michael Wolf.
Their communications with Epstein continued years after his 2008 conviction for soliciting prostitution from a minor, for which he was registered as a sex offender.
Yeah, it's interesting.
I wonder like if this happens, because Chomsky kind of just like, I mean, he's insanely old.
It was kind of just like receded from the public.
Like how much bigger of a discourse that would have been when he was like doing media runs, like maybe like 2020.
Because yeah, it's pretty bad.
Like, I mean, you can, you could get mad at Chomsky for a couple of things, one of which is like genocide denial.
But talking to Epstein and hanging around him is pretty bad.
It's a pretty big stain on his legacy.
Yeah, post-conviction.
I mean, is it like the, you know, like when one of your like high school friends gets like a Dewey and like, you're like, oh, oh, man, horrible, like, horrible.
Yeah, you shouldn't really do that.
But like, we're already kind of all hanging around.
Like, are we really going to abandon him over this?
This is something that everybody in our circle is getting away with for the most part.
I mean, how is that the case if you're Noam Chowsky?
That was the crazy thing.
Like that the high school friend analogy is Jeffrey Epstein.
Yeah, it's not looking, it's not good.
Yeah, no good.
So it's impractical to like cover all of what's inside these newly revealed correspondence.
But so I'm going to kind of zero in on the bits I personally found most interesting, and then we'll talk a bit about how the conspiracy world is reacting to this new document dump.
As with any podcast, it is what we find the most fascinating.
So I want to start with the three messages that were initially released by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee.
Because I think it's interesting.
This kind of started, I guess, kind of like a document, like a war between the Dems and the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.
Because first, Democrats, they released these three interesting emails we're going to talk about in a moment.
And then Republicans responded by releasing like 20,000 more, which is like, I'm obviously all in for releasing everything they got.
But it seems like this is a, how though?
It's kind of like, it was kind of a strategic dump.
The timing was at least.
Yeah, it's really, it's truly remarkable.
Like we haven't gotten mass resignations on the Republican side from any of this that they're able to strategically dump these emails.
It's just, it's such a horrific political context in America because this is way worse than Watergate.
And that was, it was over for him.
Like, I think that spying on your political enemies is not as bad as fucking kids.
I feel like the majority of Americans would agree.
Apparently not, though.
Apparently they don't care.
Like, I don't, I think maybe there's just enough of the population that's been like right-wing brainwashed.
Yeah, it's just as easy to believe like, well, if it's bad, if the news is bad, somebody put it there.
But if the news is good, it's real and true.
I think we're just, it's so easy to just go like, oh, you know, like, this doesn't line up.
Like, quickly, quickly figure out how to, you know, who can I find on Twitter that has a like a plausible?
Yeah, okay, this, this narrative will emerge.
Yeah, perfect.
Fine.
It's just crazy that the strategic decision for Republicans isn't like completely abandoning like MAGA and Trump as a political project.
But I think it's interesting, yeah, we talk about like Watergate.
It's like Watergate is what helped spurred Roger Ailes to help create Fox News because he thought that this wasn't a scandal of political corruption.
This was a scandal of media bias.
He thought that it's like it's like if the if conservatives had a greater share of the media space, this wouldn't happen.
So we made a decades-long plan to capture more media share for right-wingers so that this kind of that kind of thing could never happen again.
Mission accomplished.
Yeah, he went too far.
It worked too well.
All right.
So the yeah, the emails released by the Democrats on the House Oversight Committee.
So the first one, this is a 2011 email from Epstein to Ghelane Maxwell.
And Epstein wrote this.
I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is Trump.
Redacted victim name.
Spent hours at my house with him.
He has never once been mentioned.
Police chief, etc.
I'm 75% there.
This is just like so horrific.
Dog that hasn't barked.
I know.
Yeah.
Isn't yeah, the phrase the dogs that didn't bark.
I mean, it's like, yeah.
Epstein sounds to me like he is like fucking constantly jacking off to type this bad with this many spelling mistakes and this many periods.
He must just be trying to type with one hand wherever he goes.
I just imagine he's constantly walking around jacking off and that's like the only excuse for the for this, this kind of like horrific spelling, because this is 100% typed on an IPad.
Right, this is IPad spelling, it is.
He's like lounging back in like a leather chair.
He's got a martini.
He's like one of those guys that like watches pornography like when he's bored, you know, he's just like, absolutely.
He's like a pornography on the phone shoved into like the divider area, like while he's driving somewhere.
Absolutely, he's got the porno mag just casually reading like fully clothed.
Yeah, he's like um, he's like Ron Watkins level of like porn guy.
He's like a guy who has like a dedicated air, like a dedicated porn area in his house.
I mean, isn't that literally the point?
Like it's like half compromat, half just like he wanted sex tapes yeah, of people fucking like teenage girls.
Yeah yeah it's yeah, it's like he found a way to really uh make his perversions work for his career.
Yeah yeah, that horny little Jewish guy with like swag from like you know, summer camp who just like nobody ever stopped.
Other reporting and the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee have indicated that the name of the redacted victim is Virginia Jufrey, the uh Epstein, survivor and sexual abuse advocate, who committed suicide in april at the age of 41.
Now interestingly, Jufre very specifically said that she was not victimized by Trump.
She accused a few people including, uh like Prince Andrew, but she, she didn't claim that um, that Trump victimized her.
But this, this email, says that, according to Epstein I guess not a reliable source entirely, so that Jufre spent hours with Trump at Epstein's house, which is still, you know, it's just just hanging out with the sex trafficking girl victim and not is still probably yeah, not a good.
It's like oh okay well, in that case, he was just hanging out with her.
Yeah yeah, what does he say?
He's like, ah, they're treating you well.
Like what do you like?
What do you say to a hostage?
You know, essentially like a hostage.
He's like, no, he's like that's that's, that's Jeff's girl.
Like i'm not gonna, i'm not gonna do that.
That's like the Trump position, weird.
So Ghillain Maxwell replied to Epstein's email by saying this, i've been thinking about that ellipses, so they're.
They were both thinking about how how despite, according to Epstein, Jufrey spent some time with Trump at Epstein's house and like this has never been mentioned or, I guess, is she thinking about the fact that he's like a, a dog that hasn't barked, that like he's not telling on anyone, I guess, because that's what that means.
Right, that was my interpretation.
That like um, Trump is not telling anyone, he's not talking to the police.
Here's the thing is that, like so the the phrase actually comes from a Sherlock Holmes story called Silver Blaze, in which Holmes solves a case partly because a watchdog did not bark during the night.
Meaning like the intruder was like someone that the dog knew.
It usually indicates like a lack of noise or a lack of evidence.
That indicates something profound or significant.
Right oh so okay so so, so he's essentially implying that Trump knew everything was going on and never said anything, was totally complicit.
This is possibility, but is also it based upon his emails?
I mean, I think, like Epstein, has maybe like a fifth grade Reading level, so he doesn't really understand what the fucking phrase means.
So, here we are trying to parse this, the meaning of this phrase, dog that hasn't barked, when he himself may have not really understood what the hell he was saying.
That dog that hasn't barked, hmm, that dog is a great, like, 90s, like grunge band, by the way.
That's the first thing I thought when I saw him when I read that.
The next email was from Jeffrey Epstein to author in like journalist, very loosely termed, Michael Wolfe.
So, it refers to an Epstein victim at Mar-a-Lago.
It says this.
Trump said he asked me to resign.
Never a member ever.
Of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop.
So, this is referring to, says like, I guess Trump publicly said that he asked Epstein to resign as a member of Mar-a-Lago, but here Epstein is saying, I was never a member of the Mar-a-Lago Club.
And then he further says that, like, well, it's like he knew about the girls because he asked Ghislaine to, I guess, stop recruiting at Mar-a-Lago.
This is my interpretation.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, you're right.
So, so I guess the implications that you can't claim ignorance about Ghillan's predatory behavior and also asking Ghillan to stop doing this predatory thing.
It's like Stalin telling his daughter to never be in the same room alone with Beria.
It's like he knows that he's doing some pedophile shit.
So the third email.
So this is a December in 2015 back and forth between Epstein and Michael Wolfe.
So like right when Trump's first like presidential campaign was taking off.
So this is how Michael Wolf kicked off the communication.
To Jeffrey Epstein from Michael Wolf.
I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum afterwards.
To Michael Wolf from Jeffrey Epstein.
If we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?
To Jeffrey Epstein from Michael Wolf.
I think you should let him hang himself.
If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR in political currency.
You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you.
Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt.
Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy, has gotten a raw deal as a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in the Trump regime.
Wow, these snakes.
Michael Wolfe is basically advising Epstein how to leverage Trump's sliminess for his own benefit.
This is like borrowing from a pedophile to like hang Trump.
It's essentially like, ah, like, I really hate this president so much that I'm willing to work with like a known, a known monster, like if I can, if I think that it'll somehow like leverage, you know, leverage power over Trump.
Yeah, pedophilia happens to be bipartisan in America.
That's crazy that they're going to this guy like he's a regular, like a regular dude.
It is funny too, because like the very specific events that led to like Epstein's death really were contingent upon Trump winning.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if Trump didn't win, it is interesting to see what would have happened with Epstein.
It was originally about like Trump hiring Acosta who had given Epstein such a light sentence.
And it's like, that surely wouldn't have happened if we had a Hill Dog presidency.
So yeah, fascinating for this discussion.
They don't realize Trump winning is going to kill him.
I have no idea like what Michael Wolf looks like, but I imagine he's like a little goblin of a man.
Because isn't he the guy who's like, you know, like two years after Trump is like out of office, he's like, I have the smoking gun in my hot new book, like freedom on trial inside, inside the madness of Donald Trump's presidency.
Like something like that.
Like, isn't he always like, I've got the smoking gun?
Higher end Fury Inside the Trump White House is the book.
I see people are kind of mad at him because they're like, Why did you withhold this information?
Like, even if it is, you know, real and God, you know, we just can't trust these authors anymore.
I mean, anybody can get a book published nowadays.
So, I mean, yeah, like he released an audio recording that revealed that Jeffrey Epstein described Trump as his closest friend for 10 years.
So, yeah, he has, yeah, and like he released this a couple days before the election.
Yeah, he's kind of a slime ball.
And these seem like kind of not huge revelations.
Like, it doesn't seem like he's publishing anything in these books that's like, you know, turning the course of history, really.
Well, yeah, he's also, he's also kind of like fast and loose with the facts that he's published.
He's, he's kind of a shit.
Now, interestingly, the emails also reveal that Epstein attempted to feed information to reporters about Trump.
In December of 2015, he emailed the New York Times reporter Landon Thomas Jr., offering photos of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen.
And so Thomas eagerly replied, Yes, but it's not clear if such photos were ever sent or exist.
That's so crazy to respond to that in the way that he would respond to like going on a second date with someone.
Like, yeah.
Yes, exclamation point, exclamation point.
It's like, oh, hell yeah.
I would love to, Smiley.
In another email, Epstein suggested that reporters.
Asked my houseman about Donat almost walking through the door, leaving his nose print on the glass as young women were swimming in the pool.
And he was so focused, he walked straight into the door.
A lot going on there.
The fact, the fact that he's so fucking sloppy, he can't properly spell Donald.
Yeah, he's an iPad typing 100%.
Yeah.
I just also wonder if he's like drunk all the time.
Like, if he's like that rich, like, is he possible that he's just like wasted all the time?
I don't know about his drinking app.
Yeah, probably.
He's kicking it.
He's on something, maybe.
We also, you can like the young women.
It's the, you know, the Matt Gates thing where he was calling, you know, minors women.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I'm sure that's absolutely what's going on here.
I mean, I'm sure Epstein also uses girls like sexually, but when it's about trying to be above board, he upgrades to women.
This is so fucked up, too, because essentially what he's doing in these emails is he's like, dude, he's like, he was so fucking into like all the minors we had.
Like, he was into him too, dude.
Yeah.
Like, that's like what he's doing.
He's like, Donald, forget about it.
He's a real horn dog.
Yeah, all the fucking trafficking.
Like, Donald was there.
Like, he was fucking there, dude.
Like, he was, he brought the beers.
Like, it's so funny.
As if, like, that makes him like worse.
He's like, dude, I just supplied it, but Donald really fucking liked it.
Yeah.
He was like, oh, listen, he saw the girls and his like, his head turned into a train whistle and then his eyes bulged out of his skull.
Dude, fucking like giant nose having fucking dude printed in my glass sliding door.
Now, the reporter, Thomas, he didn't just receive tips.
He also advised Epstein.
The weird thing about Epstein, these emails, is like all these powerful and well-connected people are always giving him tips about like how to avoid trouble and how to improve his image.
Like, well, he's like, literally, literally on the sex registry.
Like, normally, like, the point, I guess the point of the sex registry is so that this public information that this person is a predator potentially dangerous, but it didn't affect him at all.
It was irrelevant.
I mean, the easiest explanation for like all of this is that he just was a honeypot and all these senators are coming over and they know what they're getting there.
So they have a vested interest in telling him like how to keep his operation running as smoothly as possible and not getting caught and not getting like they all have an interest in that.
And so therefore it just keeps it's like a perpetual fucking emotion.
So many people in dark rooms must have been so unhappy when Epstein fucking got arrested.
Yeah, it is like this really is a total conspiracy theorist victory moment when you have all these people like, yeah, who seem to have some sort of oddly vested interest in making sure that Epstein gets the correct tips here.
Understands how to navigate these situations.
Thomas counseled Epstein to distance himself from Prince Andrew, saying this.
I think the big issue is separating yourself from Andrew.
People don't know that and can't accept that unless you say as much.
Here's the craziest thing is that like, man, this Prince Andrew is making you look bad, not the other way around.
It's not like Andrew's association with Epstein is making Prince Andrew look bad.
That was like, oh man, this like, you know, that Prince Andrew guy?
Kind of a pervert.
I don't know if you know.
As was previously reported, Landon Thomas Jr. was let go from the New York Times for violating ethical norms in his relationship with Epstein.
During Trump's 2016 campaign, Epstein was in frequent contact with Michael Wolfe, who was writing a Trump book at the time.
Emails show Wolf coaching Epstein on media strategy and public messaging.
Oh my God.
What?
In February of 2016, Wolf alerted Epstein this.
NYT called me about you and Trump.
Hillary's campaign is digging deeply.
Again, you should consider preempting.
He's like, he's letting Epstein know what the media and Hillary's campaign is digging into to give him a heads up.
He supports Epstein over both Democrats and Republicans.
Like that's first and foremost the most important thing is Epstein's okay.
I was like, it's almost as if he's like feeding information to the bad guys.
Like to be like, hey, by the way, they're really digging in.
Like you better cover your tracks, friend.
And mine, I'm guessing.
Cover your tracks and mine, I'm assuming is what the thing is.
I think so.
Now, Wolf urged Epstein to go public about what he knew about Trump, writing this in October of 2016.
Now could be the time.
Talk about Trump in such a way that help finish him.
Interested?
Finish him.
Yes, kill him.
Yes.
Babality.
That's crazy.
It's crazy that they're just using Epstein as what he's essentially accused of being, which is an asset that can ruin politicians' careers when he decides to sort of pull the trigger or whenever the contact, I guess in this case, Michael Wolf, you know, comes in to be like, now's the time, brother.
Flip the switch.
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that someone like this would be very powerful behind the scenes.
Again, it's just conspiracy theories to write in an indirect way for a lot of them because they're very stupid.
But like, yeah, if you have all that comfort on people, you can influence elections pretty well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If one of the major political candidates and the husband of the other political candidate are implicated in you, you can kind of help decide the result.
The thing is that like, it's like Epstein keep referring to the idea that like he knew exactly how dirty Donald Trump was and he could take him down.
I don't know.
I guess he just never pulled the trigger on this or he's just bullshitting.
But anyways, like after Trump took office, it seemed like Epstein was like tracking Trump in the news pretty closely.
In one email in February of 2017 to former Harvard president Larry Summers, Epstein wrote, I've met some very bad people.
None as bad as Trump.
Not one decent cell in his body.
So yes, dangerous.
Epstein also told an associate this in 2018.
I know how dirty Donald is.
I am the one able to take him down.
I mean, it's like, I have no doubt that Donald is dirty, but the problem is that like this case, it's a very unreliable narrator.
I mean, it's like the problem with these fucking emails and us having to fucking parse through them that we have to talk about, put them in the context of the conversation, who they're talking to, the reliability of like, you know, the person they're saying, whether or not they're incentivized to be truthful.
I mean, it's a fucking nightmare.
Yeah, that is the problem, like, because you can go the angle of like, well, even Epstein thinks that Donald Trump is bad, but it's like, well, Epstein saying Trump is bad doesn't make Trump look bad necessarily.
I do wonder how partisan that is.
If, like, you know, because Epstein strikes me as like a respectable Democrat conservative, you know, it's like he's like the norms, like, he's like a norms guy.
He isn't norms.
Yeah, it's like, oh, beyond the pale.
Like, this by itself, you know, obviously, like, he wouldn't be saying this about Bill Clinton, who is also doing, you know, both of the two are probably equally evil at some level.
But, like, there's a reason why he's singling out Trump here.
Probably because, like, he's in power in the news.
It's like, yeah, there's like there are two ways.
Everyone's like, fucking, Donald Trump is so fucking evil.
Even Epstein, like the monster that he is, was disgusted by Donald.
But on the other hand, it's like, would you find it really insulting to be hated by Epstein?
You know, it's like, that's, there's really nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, like, what do you think Epstein thinks it's bad to rape kids?
Yeah.
Like, I don't think he does.
And, like, yeah, I mean, like, given like somebody who's like a monster like Epstein, who like has the reputation, of course, he's going to be like, oh, I could fucking take him down.
Dude, like, dude, I got shit on everybody, dude.
Like, you know, me.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, if he's that kind of like, of course, he's going to be like, you know, he is that monster, I feel.
Like, everything you, and everything you read about Trump, also, like, amongst people who are in that like elite circle who were forced to kind of interact with him, like, they hate him.
Like, he's like the smelly kid who shows up at the party.
Like, really, people said that, like, oh, he like kind of had a bad smell, you know, had a bad smell to him.
And he was like, so what's going on?
Like, you can even see in that video that they always play of him together where Donald shows up and he's kind of doing the little dance.
It's like, it's like the guy at the party who's like, that everybody else kind of has to put up with because like he, you know, he's sort of like in the circle, but he's super obnoxious.
It's like it makes sense that he's like, dude, Donald's the fucking worst.
He was over all the time.
Dude, I fucking hated him.
We all have that friend who's like over all the time, you know, who's like our really good friend, but like, oh my God, we can't stand them.
And the moment somebody else in the group is like being like, oh, I'm, hey, I'm down to talk shit about this person.
You're like, oh, fuck yeah, let's talk shit about this guy.
Like, that's everything that you've heard about Donald Trump basically before he became president as to like how he was sort of like regarded in these in these like circles.
So all of this to me just feels like petty rich guy bullshit.
Like Epstein wanting to look like he's like in super control.
Oh, yeah, I fucking end careers if I wanted to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a caveat to the like total conspiracy theorist victory here is like, of course, Epstein wants to see himself as a guy who's that powerful.
Like it says, Travis, like, you have to take it from the context of Epstein is the one who's reporting these sort of things.
And he's like, yeah, yeah, no, I fucking, I've influenced over all those people.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, I'll get you.
I'll hook you up with them.
It could be an exaggeration.
It's hard to.
It's an unreliable narrator, as Travis said.
He's like one of those guys who fucking did nothing with his life.
He like, what he like failed out of being a teacher, right?
And then he just all of a sudden was like a quote-unquote financier, like rich guy, unexplainable rich guy, essentially.
Yeah, very strange.
Like, what did he have?
What did he really have?
Like, he didn't have a cool media company.
Like, you know, he was famous for, you know, being able to like set up people's like security system.
They were like, oh, Joe, Jeff's got the best tech.
He essentially was like the pedophile version of like, oh, like so-and-so always has like the latest LG.
You know what I mean?
Like the guy whose tech setup is like, you know, slightly elevated.
Like that, that's what he, you know, they say that he would like set up for his like friends.
Of course, he probably like, he probably allowed himself to become an asset because it like made him feel powerful.
Just speculating there.
Just that last 30 seconds, a little bit of speculation.
It's okay.
We can have it a little every now and again, just as a little treat.
Spiritually, the most like upwardly mobile career path for 30-year-old who shows up to high school parties to pick up 17-year-olds.
Yes.
That's like, yeah, I'm fucking cool.
I'm influent.
I'm a massad CIA asset.
It's like, yeah, totally.
That guy who was just, he was just a little too old to be showing up at the parties.
It's like Trip McNeely from Can't Hardly Wait.
I don't know if either of you get that reference, but again, the four of you who do probably will be reaching out to me on social media to say that you got the reference and thank you.
But it's like that guy who's like a little too drunk, a little too dark, and like a little too predatory and like maybe shouldn't be there.
That's his vibe to me.
That's why I use an imitation of a guy I knew who was like kind of predatory and would get like dark drunk and like he would get into fights and he was my friend and like, but he would get me into all sorts of mischief.
And there's a reason that I do that like impression like when I do my Epstein is because like I just in all of his communication, you can sense that kind of like dark immature energy.
In January of 2015, Epstein confided in Wolf about protecting certain associates.
He wrote that, quote, out of respect and love, he had kept a former serious girlfriend out of his legal troubles.
This girlfriend wasn't named.
But Epstein noted that this girlfriend traveled with me everywhere.
She knows Bell Clinton was never on the island.
No sex with Stephen Hawking and no sex with the hood Barack, as he was also never on the island.
He emphasized that Clinton was never ever there, never, and asks Wolf's advice on who should break the story to clear up rumors.
Now, what Kavya is true, there is no evidence that Clinton ever set foot on Little St. James, but he did fly on Epstein's private jet 27 times between 2002 and 2003.
He's like, well, I'll tell you what, Jeff, too risky for me to step on the island with Hillary and Chelsea and everything going on in my life.
I really can't be on the island, but I'll tell you what, got an idea.
He's like, I've got an idea how we can get to these women.
He's like, you can pick me up at the plane.
We can flop back.
We can fly back and forth.
The plane came.
The plane will be my island.
See, because we can record as many, as many trips as we want, but then I'll never have stepped foot.
And if they ever come calling, if the farmer ever comes knocking looking for his seats, you know, I could say I was never there, you know, just on the plane, right?
Exactly.
Wolf provided feedback on various Epstein predicaments.
When Epstein learned that Reuters was preparing a story about a lawsuit accusing Epstein of Trump of raping an underage girl, it was a 2016 Jane Doe lawsuit that was later withdrawn.
But Wolf wrote this about this potential story.
Well, I guess if there's anybody who can wave this away, it's Donald.
Wolf then offered, let me know if there's anything I can do.
Oh, fuck.
What a.
It's weird.
Oh, my God.
He must sleep on like a, on a bed of slime.
Yeah.
Epstein's emails also include exchanges with Prince Andrew, who's referred to as the Duke in some instances.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
The Duke.
The Duke.
Oh, my God.
So this was at the height of Andrew's scandal over Virginia Jufree's accusations against Prince Andrew.
In March of 2011, Epstein forwarded Andrew an alert about an upcoming daily mail story on Jufree's claims against him.
Andrew replied this.
What?
I don't know any of this.
How are you responding?
Epstein responded that his lawyers would send a letter and then said, strangely, I'm not sure how to respond.
The only person she didn't have sex with was Elvis.
Jesus.
Yeah, that's pretty fucking awful.
Awful, awful, these guys.
Oh, it's like the worst, the deepest, darkest fraternity brothers, like all on email together, like raping.
Andrew also emailed Elaine Maxwell, who forwarded it to Epstein, urgently insisting.
You must say, in all caps, I know nothing about any of these allegations.
This has nothing to do with me.
I can't take any more of this.
Jesus.
It's like, yeah, what a weird.
Doesn't have the stomach for being part of the, you know, fucking sex cabal.
You must say.
Yeah.
That makes sense that the royalty would get especially speaked about it.
Yeah.
Well, he's getting kicked out, isn't he?
I mean, he's getting tossed into the holiday inn.
Yeah, he's not Prince Andrew anymore.
They use his full name, don't they?
Yeah, I guess so.
Oh, he gets like a middle and a last name now.
Yeah, yeah, because he's not the prince.
Damn, it's like kind of like losing your wings as an angel or something.
Yeah, yeah.
Damn, that sucks.
I wonder what's going to happen to him.
He's going to become like some sort of weird Piers Morgan type, probably.
Epstein also corresponded in 2018, 2019 with Steve Bannon, the former White House strategist and influential right-wing podcaster.
In 2018, Epstein offered to leverage his international contacts for Bannon, saying this.
There are many leaders of countries we can organize for you to have one-on-ones with.
It's like if this is apparently, this is response to Bannon potentially traveling to Europe.
Epstein also advised this.
If you are going to play here, you'll have to spend some time.
Europe by Remote doesn't work.
I was always like fucking advising.
Like recently, 2000.
Recently.
It's like, oh, yeah, of course.
I've got contacts all over Europe.
Let me show you how it works.
Yeah, you have to assume, because again, you know, the caveat of like Epstein is obviously like, you know, overemphasizing his own importance.
But like, they're all coming to him for this.
So it's not like, it's not like he doesn't probably have contacts all across Europe.
It's like, yeah, this is how European politicians like to do it as I hang out with them all this, you know, so much.
Yeah, he's such a fucking piece of shit.
He says, if you want to play here, like, you want to play in the pen sandbox?
What if you like, you want to play here?
Like, what?
He's such a loser.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, he was so, so much of a loser that he became so good at, like, manipulating and like capturing women.
Like, essentially, because that was the only way that it would work.
And he was so good at it that the other fucking elite losers were like, especially, look at Donald Trump, the loserest of them all.
It's like, oh, Jeff is get away with women.
You know, like, he's got it.
It's like that, the fraternity of losers.
You know, I won't get into that.
Yeah, it's like one thing you really get through this is that like, yeah, it's like these are all fucking like awkward weirdos, all of them.
You can't fucking spell.
You're very confused about how things work very frequently.
It's, I don't know, it's disappointing.
Yeah.
It's a professional loser.
It's just, yeah, how do you make the most money like harassing high school girls?
And they all hate Trump the most because he's the biggest loser, but he's got actual real power and like has the ability to really make them make a shit ton of money if they, you know, kind of hold their noses while he talks to them.
The 2018 emails also seem to show Epstein helping Bannon devise a defense of Trump's administration's policies, which I think is interesting because he went from like, yeah, I could totally take him down.
He's so awful.
But what happened is that when Trump started talking about tax cuts, he all of a sudden started devising strategies to help this policy.
So basically, he wrote to Bannon aiming to rebut critics who said that the tax cuts mainly benefited the rich.
Epstein said this.
We could discuss the response to tax cut criticism.
The 83% to the rich is misleading by miles, cash back, pension funds up.
I mean, if there's anything really more emblematic of American politics, it's a notorious billionaire pedophile trying to devise a strategy to make people believe that tax cuts won't mainly benefit the rich.
Yeah.
He really is the average billionaire Epstein.
It's a perfect amalgamation of all of them.
Norm's guy, but like, he's like, well, Trump is fine because, you know, tax cuts.
Because he's easy to manipulate and he has no moral code whatsoever.
Like, this is exactly who you want.
Epstein also kept Bannon appraised of his interactions with other members of the ultra-wealthy Trump adjacent circle, effectively networking through Bannon.
In a message on August 18th, 2018, Epstein gave Bannon this heads up.
Message on back Wednesday.
Deal coming.
Yeah, teal.
Yeah, Peter said, I'm meeting with Peter Thiel.
Just a no.
So we're going to be hanging out with you, me, Peter Thiel.
Let's do it.
So despite their frequent communication, both Epstein and Bannon, they appeared aware of the need for secrecy.
Their messages show conscious efforts to avoid public detection when meeting in person.
Which is so funny because like, why are you emailing then?
It's like the worst, it's like the least secure way of communicating.
Yeah.
You get a download signal existed in 2018, didn't it?
It's like Jeffy do crime, Jeffy doing crime with his friends.
On August 23rd, 2018, Epstein suggested an in-person get-together while he was in New York City, writing this.
BT Dub, I'm in New York tonight through Saturday if you want to visit under the cover of darkness or have breakfast tomorrow if you like.
It's like, we could meet under the darkness of the new moon if that's chill with you.
He's like, I could show up at your place with rubber gloves and a fucking body bag if you want.
So Bannon's response, like, raised security concerns.
So this is what Bannon said.
Do you have access?
It's not the front door.
They have 24-7 surveillance on you.
He's like, you know, you are a notorious criminal.
So you're being surveilled.
So there's like, do you have a, like, a better entrance for me?
And he's not even spelling Y-O-W.
He's using the letter U on both.
Epstein offered to come to Bannon instead, but also proposed a covert entry to his own property, writing this.
There's also a rear entrance on 67th Street, if you prefer, super secure.
He added this.
Someone can meet you and take you in.
So they're making these secret ways to.
I know, this is so like one of the brothers will meet you through the back door of the kitchen.
There are late plates available.
Now, this is really interesting.
So the last known communication between Bannon and Epstein took place on July 6th, 2019, which was the very day that Epstein was arrested on federal sex trafficking charges in New Jersey.
So in the morning, just hours before the arrest, Epstein and Bannon were like, they were actively texting about logistics for a documentary project that was, this is, this is insane, to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
Oh my God.
I want to see the alternate universe where Epstein isn't charged and you get one of the like kind of mega universe style documentaries about how Epstein is actually innocent.
Yeah.
Like we would do an episode on that.
That would be a good, that'd be a good future QAA episode.
Who knows?
Maybe the polls will flip.
So Bannon was eager to press ahead with the filming of this documentary and ask Epstein this.
If we can arrange it, can we film on the island?
Yeah, this is referring to Little St. James, the pedophile island.
Bannon is asking if he can go to the island.
This is like one of Trump's main boosters.
Advisor to the White House asking Epstein in 2018.
Again, fairly recently.
Could we go to the island, maybe?
Which, if you're trying to rehab Epstein's image, that would be good to go to the island and be like, go into the temple or whatever and be like, look, it's just like a bunch of like arcade machines.
Or like he collects, he collects like old vintage penny slots or something like that.
And you could be like, oh, all right.
Well, maybe there's like, all right, well, this seems like a little bit more harmless.
But the crazy thing was, is that Epstein agreed.
He texted back yes.
And then they discussed meeting late that morning to continue work.
Epstein suggested.
Can we do late morning, say 11 a.m.?
He's on the podcast to his sleep schedule.
He's like, no, I can't do that.
I'm not up yet.
So Bannon, presumably awaiting Epstein's arrival for a filming session, later texted at 4.37 p.m.
You are the letter R not coming in, question mark.
And he received no reply.
Unbeknownst to Bannon.
By that time, Epstein had been taken into custody by FBI agents at Teterborough Airport around 4 p.m. after returning from Paris.
He's like in the back of the police van handcuffed.
And he's like, oh, fuck, Bannon.
I mean, you know, this is, I mean, this is crazy because it's like, yeah, they were fucking like texting beer hours before he was taken in by the FBI.
Yeah, and it's also like, I remember the political climate around Epstein at that time because that was one of the big conspiracies I was into is like explaining to someone Jeffrey Epstein in like 2017 and being like, no, no, trust me, it's like real.
It like sounds silly, but it's real.
Like there's no, it's so horrifically bad in fucking 2018, 2019 to be like, 2019 to be like, yeah, yeah, no.
It's also, beyond it being bad, it's so incredibly stupid to think you can do that to like pull that off.
I mean, these guys, they were like, they are so fucking arrogant.
It's like they thought like, it's like, regardless of what you did, regardless of like the fact that he was like literally like a registered sex offender.
And like, you know, there's like, there's lots of like really damning reporting about him by this point and thought, eh, I can recover from this and be seen as a cool guy again.
Yet he really thought that he was totally untouchable.
And even if he was touched, I guess, like, you know, if he was arrested, if even if his reputation was harmed in some way, it was recoverable.
That's like these, these people and the amount of money they have, they're like different species than us because they're just like, oh, no problem.
Like, I'll just buy my way out of this.
Like, I don't ever have to face like any real, like, I've never actually had to face any kind of consequences ever.
You would think like someone who is like a bit smarter.
And like, I assumed that this was the elite attitude at this point if you're Epstein is just like, I gotta lay low.
Right.
Like, I've been burned.
You know, you can't, you can't be doing all that anymore.
Just like lay low.
You have a shit ton of money.
But no, they were like, no, no, no, the comeback tour.
Like, let's do it.
Even like low-level like mobsters, though, that, like, they're like, yeah, we got to get out of town for a couple of weeks.
Be like, lay low for, lay low for the rest of this season.
Be like, nah, you stay with your mother.
You know, like, they over, like, wait, you know, over, you know, like stamp fraud or something like that, you know?
Yeah.
We also have to talk about the Bubba email.
This is, this is something that was made.
Perhaps the most famous exchange.
It went viral.
It was talked about like on all the comedy shows.
It was all over social media.
So what happened was, is that in one of the released emails, Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, suggests to ask Steve Bannon if Putin has, quote, the photo of Trump blowing Bubba, to which Epstein replied, and I thought I had Zoris.
This is, I guess, Yiddish for troubles.
How do you pronounce this?
Zorus.
Soros.
Okay.
All right.
It's like woes.
It's like, yeah, it's like a specific kind of like social woes.
Oh, okay.
So it's a little bit more nuanced and it's meaning.
Interesting.
That's always what I thought.
That's always what I thought it meant.
So Mark Epstein then responds, you and your boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get Hard.
This is interesting because Get Hard is a comedy film from 2015 starring Will Farrell and Kevin Hart about an investment baker who prepares for life in prison.
Damn, I never thought we would be like baking a Will Farrell movie.
Like in Epstein emails.
Who directed that?
This is, oh, fuck.
This is the, this is the other interesting thing about Get Hard is that it was, it was directed by Israeli-American director Eaton Cohen.
Oh, yeah, Eitan Cohen.
Yeah, I know who that is.
I mean, I don't know him personally, but I know I know of his work.
Yeah, people had a lot of fun with this because Bubba so happens to be a common nickname for Bill Clinton.
In fact, in the emails themselves, the cash emails, Bill Clinton is frequently, I think it was like five different times, referred to as Bubba.
So people said this.
So if you like really read this, like if you have that reading of it, it sounds like Epstein is saying that Putin has photos of Donald Trump giving Bill Clinton fellatio, you know, which is obviously ludicrous.
And then people further claim that Ghidlaine Maxwell once owned a horse named Bubba, which as far as I could, which would be even funnier because it means that Trump blew a horse.
But as far as I can tell, this one's just an internet rumor.
This one's just made up.
Do we know maybe, maybe it's like an inside joke that they had?
There's a, my friends have a series of photographs like from when we all lived together.
We had a pool and I took a series of like mostly nude photographs like out by the pool wearing a proton pack just for like giggles.
We were like really kind of like fucked up that day.
And so like we always are like, oh, the proton pack photo shoot.
You know, it's like kind of a thing like maybe Trump pretended to blow Bill Clinton.
I don't know.
Like it could be some sort of inside joke, maybe.
The most insane part of it is the like the Putin having photos of Trump performing a sexual act.
Like the implication there.
I don't know.
It could be like a Russiagate joke because it's in it's from 2018.
Yeah, it does.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing.
So Mark Epstein himself, he like he actually responded to the speculation, but not by offering a lot of details beyond a denial of the claim that Bubba was referring to Clinton.
I remember seeing the quote.
He was like angry about it.
And it's like, you can't be on your moral high horse about this.
He's like, yeah, you're in the email.
The contents of this are private.
And it's like, you're Jeffrey Epstein's brother.
Exactly.
Here's what Mark Epstein told News Nation.
I'm not discussing that email.
This is a private email between Jeffrey and myself, his two brothers talking.
It's nobody's business what we wrote.
The only thing I responded to is because people got crazy with the Bubba reference and they tried to pin it on Clinton.
So I made a public statement that it was not any reference to Bill Clinton.
I like Bill Clinton and I didn't want, I'm sorry for him that he had to go through that.
But the email had nothing to do with Clinton.
And that's my last word on that email.
It's like, well, why did you just say, like, you're right, it could just be like a, like, just a joke, like, aha, this is the kind of like blackmail material Putin may have, or this is the kind of blackmail material that like crazy Democrats are saying that Putin has on Trump or something.
Why did you just say it's a joke?
Not like, this is private.
It's not Clinton.
Not going to say who it is, though.
Yeah, it is very like.
People are very bad a lot of the times at like thinking about what would make conspiracy theorists go more insane.
In this context, where all conspiracy theorists like that one isn't, none of this response is reassuring and none of this will have the effect that you want it to have.
Like, did he think everyone was gonna be like?
Oh okay, so I guess it is.
I guess I didn't think about the fact that it is a private email and it's kind of inconsiderate of me to want to know who bubbles like.
No, it's the president, like talking about Epstein.
And it also implies that Bannon is like in contact with Putin, being like oh, you're with Bannon, ask him if Putin has the?
Uh, has the Trump blow job, blow job pics?
It could be.
You know, it could be Trump blowing bubbles, maybe with a bubble machine.
Here's the thing it's like.
There's lots obviously, obviously.
I think it's ludicrous, mostly because I believe Bill Clinton and Donald Trump would be very discreet about their lovemaking.
They would not.
They would not photograph it.
That's too crude.
Yeah I, I just I love the.
Someone was it at Hingementum, as he's been on the.
The podcast once was talking was baking the Big Beautiful Bill.
Yeah, I mean.
What does that mean?
Oh, I mean, essentially, if that's real, then QAnon is right.
Is that they're all talking in code in public and they're all talking about the devious sex things that they're doing behind the backs and they're all in league and they're all a part of the cabal and they're gay and they're blowing each other and Trump's compromise to you know what I mean?
Like that's my read on it is like like it just seems like a crude joke, but like my explanation is kind of like kind of like screwed up by like Mark Epstein's weird sort of denial of it.
It was a statement that added more confusion than clarity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we'll never fucking know.
And once I think a lot of people online had like kind of a homophobic joke that they could instantly kind of like, you know, sort of like press Trump into.
Like they just went with it.
Like if you look online like on like blue sky and shit, it is settled science that Trump blew Bill Clinton just because that's like the most degrade for whatever reason they think that's like the most degrading thing because they want to imagine Trump so degraded because that makes it like not so bad that he still has absolute power over us.
Yeah.
This one was it did feel like a return of you know the level of like was it last month two months ago of like Bella Chow is a is actually a Groiper song.
But it didn't feel like it was worth it on this one.
It's like, oh, get your, get your jokes in, whatever.
Yeah.
It's like the couch fucking stuff.
It's like they love this.
They love, they love weird, you know, weird kink shaming, you know, gay shaming, whatever it is.
Because they think that their enemies hate it because they're Christian.
So they're like, ah, you hate it the most.
The worst one overwhelmingly was that Elon Musk is like, what was it?
Elon Musk is like the wife of Donald Trump and he's transgender.
Yeah.
And they're, you know, that was the, that was the classic, that was classic like blue sky lip homophobia.
Yeah.
They just, they got confused and they started copying from the to try to own the MAGA people.
They started like copying it and like filling doing their own kind of like mad libs, but just subbing in different people and they didn't realize they were also adopting their like hatred, their racism, their homophobia.
Just you like borrowed the style.
You borrowed the style and like it's it's it's making your your substance worse.
That was the most absurd one recently.
And like, I mean, I think that they were libs engaging with this.
There were definitely conservators ironically doing it was like talking about how like Aryan Newsom is in his family because it's like he's an incredibly white looking and they're being like, oh, well, JD Vance has like an Indian wife and like mixed kids.
That's like, yeah, I mean, that would piss him off, I guess.
But it's also like, I don't know, maybe, maybe go a bit too hard into that.
Yeah, what are we even doing?
Dude, this, this, just look at this.
We have these emails and we're going to get actually nothing.
Actually, nothing will come up this.
But here, but here we are with this string of emails and he's saying he had Source, which is so weird because that's like something that like, you know, my like grandparents would say, like, oh, he's cirrus.
Yeah, like your troubles.
Oh my God.
And they're referencing Get Hard and they're like, oh, does Putin have compromise?
And fucking, he signs, Mark Epstein signs his, his emails with scent via tin can and string.
So he's got like a cute little like sign-off as he's on with his brother pedophile.
Why do we have access to this if we can't get the whole fucking thing?
I think either give us all of it or give us none of it.
We can't have, we can't have a limited amount of information.
We can't have this like a small, a small sliver of the pie, you know?
Sorry, please continue.
I just, I can't believe, I can't believe we're reading through all this stuff.
Again, it feels like we're always going to be unearthing a trove of Epstein documents.
Obviously, there are many who are like reasonably skeptical about the existence of a photo of Trump blowing Bill Clinton.
And among them is Alex Jones.
Oh.
There's no video of President Trump sucking a ding-dong.
So what if there was?
That's a lot better than World War III, Owen.
I never sucked any ding-dongs.
But I'll tell you, if they were going to blackmail me to start World War III about one, I'd say, hey, I sucked a golf ball through a freaking garden hose.
Also, Alex Jones is absolutely sucked a penis.
He's an insane chaser.
He's got his transport on his phone.
Like, it was ridiculous.
I think this is kind of a base take.
Like, so, you know what?
So what if he did?
So what if he sucked off Bill Clinton?
Yeah, I was like, what?
Is it the two grown men sharing a moment of intimacy funny to you?
Exactly.
No, he's very.
So what?
I also, I love the wide view pop-up shot of his henchman's reaction to him saying.
So what if he sucked ding-tong?
But yo, but what's amazing is that like we don't know what it is.
Like, I would like to tell you for sure what this Bubba email was, but we don't.
It's like there's, there's a level of unknown that is, we just can't cross.
So there's like, one sense, you can choose to believe what you want because like no one can prove it false.
And yo, there's lots of like amazing TikToks like joking about this.
And I came across one that like expressed, I think, a really interesting sentiment, which is that the TikToker didn't really care if the claim was true because we live in an information environment where people just constantly say ludicrous things.
So she felt like she just wanted to be, wanted to do it too.
Yeah.
She wanted to take part.
I understand that.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like, if you'll never know for sure, why not just believe the thing that is the most affirming or that makes you the happiest at the very least?
Like, cause oftentimes the reality is just so much more mundane.
Like, this actually might be true, but in a boring way where like they were at some party and like Trump like, you know, took too, like, hit the joint a little bit too hard and like got really silly and like put his and he's like, oh, Malika Lewinsky.
I'm Manuka.
Look at me.
I'm look at me.
I'm Manica.
And like got down on his knees and like, you know, like, you know, for a goofy picture with the fellas goofing around.
And they got a couple photos of it.
Or he's like, put makeup on me and I'll be Manica for the night.
You know, you know, I mean, weird guys do weird things at fraternity parties and stuff.
And like, it might be like kind of true.
Like there, maybe Epstein does have a foot, but Bubba could be like a statue of a fish, you know?
And it's like a statue of a fish that's in one of Epstein's place.
And like Trump got like a little bit, he like ate too much of the edible, you know, like too many edibles one night.
And he's like, ah, Bubba the fish.
He goes, oh, look, I'm blowing the fish.
You know what I mean?
And they've got photos of it.
It's like, you never, you never know.
And oftentimes the truth is just so much more boring and not nearly as dramatic as we get, you know, we speculate until we find out what's real.
So this is, yeah, this is what this TikTok said.
So I don't care if the Bill Flinton, Donald Trump thing isn't true.
It's true to me.
Okay.
If people can believe that raw milk is good for you and that vaccines are bad for you and that God in heaven told them to not celebrate Halloween, then I can believe that Donald Trump blew Bill Clinton.
I can do that.
If they can believe that there are lizard people running the world, I can believe that he Samsung spin wash Bill Clinton.
I can 100%.
Oh, so suddenly we can't believe things now.
Yeah, I mean, everyone, everyone is just queuing on.
You might as well, like, if you're going to be queuing on, you might as well be it in just like a kind of silly, harmless way.
But see, here's something interesting.
She seems like a normal, reasonable person that you might meet on the street.
Why is she like, you know what?
I choose to believe, and because I'm believing it, I've probably imagined it a couple of times, is like fat old Donald Trump with Bill Clinton's dick in his mouth.
Like, why would you like, yeah, that's the belief and that's like what, why would you want to imagine that sort of thing?
This is funny.
It's funny.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, oh, what?
All guys blowing each other?
Like, what's funny?
You know, you're saying, you're not saying it's a little funny to imagine Bill Clinton tapping it on Trump's tongue.
Putting the party lemon party.
I do have to say that I was, it's hard not to want to do some kind of like bit, you know, where I'm doing Bill Clinton in that position, but I'll spare our listeners.
So I guess, yeah, it's kind of funny.
But so is the couch fucking.
So is all of it.
It's funny, but as Travis always says, it doesn't take away any power.
It doesn't take away any real power.
All it does is take away the power that you have in your mind about that person.
So how did the conspiracists and QAnon community react to the recent release of Epstein emails and documents?
So on True Social, President Trump himself set the tone immediately after the House Democrats publicized the Epstein emails.
Trump blasted the revelations as a hoax.
In a True Social post, he accused Democrats of trying to bring up the Jeffrey Epstein hoax again because they'll do anything at all to deflect on how badly they've done on the shutdown.
So QAnon promoter Zach Payne offered his interpretation of the dog that hasn't barked email.
He claimed that it actually affirmed the theory that Trump did nothing wrong in relation to Epstein and that Trump was actually some kind of Epstein whistleblower.
Of course, this is what it has to be.
You know, whistleblowing is very similar to not barking.
This email, which doesn't even say anything about Donald Trump having done something bad, in fact, it's questioning why it is that Donald Trump's name has not come up in any respect.
It's not because Donald Trump had done something inappropriate with Virginia Juffrey, but it's likely because Donald Trump was the whistleblower that was responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting wrapped up in the case in the first place.
The dog that hasn't barked is Trump.
The reason he hasn't been mentioned is not because he, not because he did something wrong and was paying people off, but because he didn't do anything wrong.
And he also went to the police and the FBI about this entire thing.
I'm sure you remember Speaker Mike Johnson saying Donald Trump was an FBI whistleblower.
Yeah, no, barking is when you make noise about a thing and are not involved.
Yeah, QAnon people have went through much greater hoops, living through much greater hoops and whatever.
Weird, admittedly, as we said, ambiguous, justifying their interpretation, what it is like a kind of weird, admittedly ambiguous phrasing.
You know, it should be, should be no surprise.
It is like, you know, because it is a shame that like Epstein is so like poorly articulate and like unable to, that we don't just have a thing where he's just like, yeah, he fucked them kids.
Yeah, all the evidence that they recovered from his various properties.
They're just like, we'll release his like misspellings and like 2,000 of his emails where he's like, haha, McDonald's happy meal, Falk driving through with Bennett.
Yeah.
The email where it does like admit that Trump is complicit, but like Epstein was trying to be cool.
He's just trying to sound epic and like worldly and like he knows references.
So it just makes it like confusing.
It'll never be, I don't know.
It'll never be perfect somehow.
You would think something would fucking come out.
I mean, I don't know.
This is pretty different still, but.
Now, what about Trump's claim that the Epstein case is a hoax?
Now, this is confusing because like, you know, the many sort of like conspiratorial Trump supporters, you know, are some of the most vocal about the Epstein case under the belief that it will hurt primarily Democrats or maybe even corrupt Republicans, but leave Trump unharmed.
But now he's like, he's railing against the Epstein hook.
What does he mean by hoax?
It's like ambiguous.
It doesn't, he doesn't quite clarify what he means by that.
So QAnon promoter Bernie Bright had an interesting theory, which he expressed to fellow QAnon promoter John Harold, is that by hoax, Trump may be referring to the idea that Epstein tried to entrap Trump at 2011, but failed.
And since then, an exaggerated narrative about the Epstein case has been promoted in order to smear Trump.
It's just a lot of extra shit.
It's like he's saying these fuckers tried to compromise me in 2011.
So they're pulling a hoax then.
And since that didn't work, they concocted they, meaning the whole media apparatus, has concocted this whole mythology around Jeffrey Epstein specifically to tie me into it, which I think is more what you're suggesting.
That seems to be what Trump is suggesting by a lot of his posts, if he's not just purely rugging everybody, saying it's a hoax.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it could simultaneously be true that Epstein and Maxwell were intel operators attempting to compromise Donald Trump and be true that a lot of the story we've been told about them is not true and was seeded into the community, right?
Because if they couldn't compromise him in 11, based on all that stuff, does the deep state then burn an asset like Jeffrey Epstein and try to draw Trump into the story about this massive cover-up?
Because it's certainly kind of what it looks like in hindsight.
Yeah, to me, that's what's happening.
And this email, I think Cancon made the point this morning that makes Trump definitely sound like an asset in FBI informat.
What's even the point of QAnon?
Like, you're so obsessed with holding the pedophiles accountable that you're like, maybe this Jeffrey Epstein guy is not as bad as they say he is.
I know.
It's like you're so this is like a real fucking like QAnon horseshoe theory.
You've gone so far around like maybe the media has been promoting like an exaggerated story of Epstein.
Yeah, the real evil people is it's Chrissy Tegan, not Jeffrey Epstein.
Jesus, like that's the one you really have to focus on.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, you know, it's like, yeah, really, it's like, yes, Tom Hanks.
It's not, it's not, it's not fucking Ghelaine Maxwell.
I watched that clip and I'm like, it's just two white guys in their late 30s, potentially early 40s, telling you what they think.
It's just like two guys being like, yeah, well, it's just like two guys around a kitchen island.
They stayed too late at the party.
Like guys that are just like posted up, like elbows up, being like, oh, I have another beer.
Oh, you got, there are more beers.
Oh, I'll stay for a while.
And then they're just like, yeah, and what do you think about like, there's no reason we should be listening to these guys.
What authority do they have at all?
It's just two white guys in their early 40s talking about theories.
Now, this isn't over.
Actually, just today, the day we're recording this, House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to pass legislation to compel the Justice Department to release all of its records related to Epstein.
And the Senate approved unanimous consent that the measure pass there, which means that it just has to be sent to Trump's desk, who actually, in a recent reversal of his stance, has signaled that he will sign it into law, which is, I think, an interesting, which makes me believe there's going to be, it's going to be more bullshit, more confusing nonsense, nothing that incriminating.
Trump must have got the word that like whatever, whatever is to be released by this legislation can't be that damning to him.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have signaled that it's okay.
But yeah, so that's, that's where we are now with like, we have some documents.
It says some interesting things.
It reveals some sort of like information gaps in what we know about Epstein and his connections, but it's like not, it's not telling the whole story.
We know there's more there.
And like, we have the continued promise that the future document dumps will maybe give us a more complete picture.
But of course, yeah, no, we just don't know.
Yeah, it's my understanding.
Is it Pambondi the G is able to redact things in the release related to, among other things, national security?
Yeah.
Ongoing investigations, protecting, you know, any of them.
That is, you know, I wouldn't be too hopeful about this.
I feel like that's my general advice to the listener about politics, but also about this.
Yeah, this is like the hot dog standing next to the like car crash, like starting the like the like accident investigation committee, you know, being like, absolutely be like, I, I, I'm calling for full transparency.
I don't know.
It's a weird move.
Yeah, it's a weird move.
Of course, the, you know, the QAnon Bakers, the old school guys like Kates are like, oh, like he's been, you know, he knows it's going to be a bombshell.
And so he's, he's been playing coy and calling it a hoax to get the Democrats to demand the release, basically, because he's going to trick them.
It's always about Trump tricking the Democrats into like doing something.
And therefore, because he did it on purpose, there's no way that the information in there could, you know, be damning for him.
And if anything, it's going to start triggering, it's going to be the, you know, the trigger of the storm.
Yeah, right.
They're still happy.
They're still doing great.
And they're winning.
Yeah, this explanation is always weird to me.
It's like, it's like Republicans control the whole of government, but still, it's like Trump needs to play 5D chess in order to trick and lure and like entrap the Democrats left and right.
It's like, it's fucking, it's like, it's like they're still acting like the, you know, the underground guerrilla fighters when they have all the power.
Yeah.
I wonder how they're going to keep this up for the next like three years.
So much, so much stuff already.
The Epstein from going from Epstein hoax to, you know, the Epstein Transparency Act to all these new emails to lots of mentions of Donald Trump.
Like, oh, God, this is just, we're still in the first year.
Yeah.
How are we going to, how are we going to?
I'm sure like Trump's team is like, is like asking the same thing.
It's like, all right, we just need to keep stringing people along this fucking Epstein bullshit for the next three years.
We just need to find a way to feed them slop and like give them, give them like, yo, thousands of thousands of documents to chew over once in a while.
And then like they'll, they'll feel like they're being productive.
They'll feel, they'll sound like it's like things are being exposed even while we like, we, you know, we just work, you know, ethnically cleansing the country and cutting taxes.
We're reaching levels of like Brandon that have never been seen before, I think.
Like 2022 Joseph Biden of like, there is no, there is no recession.
The inflation isn't real.
Like, shut the fuck up.
That is the Trump line.
Inflation is not real.
Shut the fuck up.
Did you guys see on the plane today?
A reporter was trying to ask a question.
He was like, quiet, piggy.
Call her piggy because he was asking about inflation.
It's a winning strategy, folks.
Unreal.
This guy is like, you have to actually, you have to have a galaxy brain to still, to still support him, kind of.
Because like, it's so, there have been so many off-ramps.
And if you're still here and you're watching him go, quiet pig, you know, on like a plane to a reporter, you know, you've got to.
And you said, you know, that Biden was loot, you know, for four years, you were like, Joseph Biden is fucking, you know, Sleepy Joe, and he's, he's, he's, you know, pooping his pants and all this stuff.
Like, can't feel good.
It can't feel good.
It has to be, it has to be part of something.
It has to end in Jesus coming back, actually.
Chavez just went, okay, all right.
All right.
Really, it does.
It has to.
It's so bad.
You've had to convince yourself of such slop to make it through as a Trump and MAGA supporter for eight or 12, however many years, because like we'll count Biden's presidency too.
And now for another three years?
I know.
Oh, my goodness.
I just think the man who's teaching us Yiddish words is pining for Jesus' return.
If you're following politics at any kind of frequency, jokes on you.
You're miserable.
No matter who you are, you're miserable and you have to detach further and further from reality to buy what these people are trying to sell you.
Yeah, no.
It's only going to get worse, and they're only going to get more pedophilic in summary.
Yeah, I just, if everybody's got the, got the hoots.
That's, I'm so sick of people being like, oh, this is the dump.
It's like, we've been saying this for years.
I remember, like, I had a foolish belief that, like, Trump wouldn't even make it, wouldn't even be able to take office in 27 to whatever, 20, you know, after the 2016 election.
Because there was like so much talk, like, oh, he won't, he'll be arrested beforehand.
Oh, there's all this stuff that's coming out, all this audio.
So it seemed like I was told he was basically, you know, it was going to be a failure to launch.
And here we are, however many years, well, well into a decade into the Trump era.
Like, I just, I feel like I'm withering away at like the base of like a dead tree.
Like, you know what I mean?
It just, how could we possibly go any for another year, let alone two, three years?
Well, we'll find out.
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I just want to be super clear on your position.
Do you want to see that pass the Senate?
Would you sign that bill if it gets to your desk?
I do want to say, here's what I want.
We have nothing to do with Epstein.
The Democrats do.
All of his friends were Democrats.
You look at this Ried Hoffman, you look at Larry Summers, Bill Clinton.
They went to his island all the time, and many others are all Democrats.
All I want is I want for people to recognize the great job that I've done on pricing, on affordability, because we brought prices way down, but they're going way lower.
On energy, on ending eight wars, and another one coming pretty soon, I believe.
We've done a great job.
And I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done.
So I'm all for it.
You know, we've already given 50,000 pages.
You do know that.
Unfortunately, like with the Kennedy situation, with the Martin Luther King situation, not to put Jeffrey Epstein in the same category, but no matter what we give, it's never enough.
You know, with Kennedy, we gave everything and it wasn't enough.
With Martin Luther King, we gave everything and it's never enough.
We've already given, I believe the number is 50,000 pages.
50,000 pages.
And it's just a Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as it pertains to the Republicans.
Now, I believe that many of the people that we, some of the people that we mentioned, are being looked at very seriously for their relationship to Jeffrey Epstein.
But they were with him all the time.
I wasn't.
I wasn't at all.
And we'll see what happens.
What I just don't want Epstein to do is detract from the great success of the Republican Party, including the fact that the Democrats are totally blamed for the shutdown.
You know, they cost our country hundreds of billions of dollars and a lot of inconvenience.
So I'm for any, I don't care, they can do whatever they want.
We'll give them everything.
Sure I would.
Let the Senate look at it.
Let anybody look at it.
But don't talk about it too much because honestly, I don't want to take it away from us.
It's really a Democrat problem.
The Democrats were Epstein's friends, all of them.
