What happens when conspiracists make their dreams come true by taking over the deep state agencies and cracking them open? FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino's recent shift from conservative radio host to federally-employed “Epstein killed himself“ advocate creates chaos among those who hope for new revelations from newly influential insiders. Joined by Will Sommer of the False Flag newsletter, Jake, Liv, and Travis dissect Bongino's controversial flip-flop, the disillusionment of the MAGA faithful, and Glenn Beck's anguish over the situation.
Meanwhile, James Comey's cryptic seashell Instagram post sparks a numerological panic and a Secret Service visit, mainstream conservative media cozies up to QAnon figures, and Elon Musk signals a pullback from political spending after a major loss in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election.
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Welcome to the QAA Podcast Episode 325, Bongino's Epstein Flip-Flop, featuring Will Sommer.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Liv Akar, and Travis View.
There is a tension that occurs when conspiracists assume power, because a big part of conspiracism is the knee-jerk and automatic rejection of the quote-unquote official story.
They assume that whatever people in positions of authority are saying, that's necessarily false, and in fact, a cover-up of the actual truth.
Now, the conspiracists may not be 100% clear on what narrative is right, but they know that the mainstream one is definitely wrong.
Now, I personally believe that the problems with such a stance are twofold.
Number one, this stance is not always accurate.
Sometimes it is.
Sometimes the official lines of fiction maintain because it serves the interests of people in power.
I had a whole series, a video series, a couple years ago called Trickle Down, which everyone who subscribes to our premium feed can listen to.
So yeah, I mean, it's something that happens.
But sometimes, like, when the National Weather Service says a hurricane is coming, that's not a cover-up of something else.
It's because a hurricane is coming.
And number two, when a conspiracist rises to power, as a consequence, what they say is the official story.
It might be useful for conspiracists to deny a particular narrative when they're out of power, but it's detrimental to their interest to do so once they assume power.
You can't keep saying the people who run things are lying to you when you are the people who run things.
Yeah, you can't blame the deep state when you are the deep state.
It really does show you that they do believe.
Like, this shit they're peddling to other people?
Because if they were cynical, like, you just get, like, a neocon in these positions, then you have a guy to blame.
Yeah, a fall guy or something.
This issue was recently faced by FBI Director Cash Patel and his deputy Dan Bongino.
In a recent interview, they asserted that Jeffrey Epstein merely committed suicide in jail, angering the MAGA base.
Now, to help us discuss this and other stories we're interested in, we are joined by one of our earliest QAA guests, Will Sommer, who recently wrote about this for his newsletter, False Flag.
Will, it's been too long.
Thanks for joining us again.
Hey, yeah, thanks for having me.
I'm happy to be back to chop it up with the gang.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, this is a good one.
I was like, I really enjoyed your perspective on this for your newsletter.
This whole controversy erupted after Fox Business aired an interview with Patel and Bongino.
You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.
People don't believe it.
Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion, but as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one, and that's what that was.
He killed himself.
Again, you want me to...
He killed himself.
It's almost like they're like, oh, it brings me no pleasure to report.
Cash had a little nervous laugh there at the start.
You know, he seemed pretty uncomfortable.
I like that Cash was even pretending that he always knew that that was the case, where it's like, come on, look around, look at how the prison system works.
And Dan's just like, no, no, no, I was thinking that too, that I saw the file, and unfortunately...
It makes me think that, like, the first thing they did when they got in there, they were like, somebody bring me the Epstein file right now.
And they're like, all right, sir, all right.
And they're like, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
And then they brought them all the materials and they were like, oh, oh, shit.
It actually looks like he actually really did kill himself.
I wasn't expecting this.
It's like getting top-level clearance and then asking for the alien files to be brought up, and it's like, oh, they really are just weather balloons.
You're onto something there, Jake.
The way Bongino is delivering it, it's like he's telling someone a loved one has died or something.
He's saying he killed himself.
You need to come back to reality.
He's like, I was once like you.
I, too, thought that Hillary Clinton crept in in the middle of the night and strangled him to death with her.
You know, adrenochrome strength grip.
But sadly, and very sadly, I've seen the actual files and, yeah, it's a suicide.
Through and through.
Yeah, you know, it's like, yeah, Patel is actually quite experienced at sort of, like, engaging and sort of, like, not sort of, like, talking down to conspiracists while not sort of, like, validating their zaniest beliefs.
But, like, here, you're right, he can tell that he's going to get some heat or people aren't going to believe him or it's just going to be not a very good look.
When he, like, before he got to the office, he talked a big game about, like, releasing Epstein information, but now he just doesn't have anything to offer.
I think, yeah.
I mean, the other component is that, like, Epstein died while Trump was in office.
So if, like, if you want to argue a cover-up, you would have to go, you know, up to Trump.
Yeah, that's always bugged me about this, is this idea that it's like, obviously, we all know Trump had these associations with Epstein in the past.
It was like, he literally ran the jail.
And Bill Barr visited the jail roughly around the time it happened or a day or two before.
I mean, there's plenty of material for conspiracy theorists, but obviously they don't want to look at that side of it.
Yeah, exactly.
Nobody wants to think that Bill Barr strangled Epstein with his bare hands.
Now, Will, how did, like, you know, the MAGA faithful, people who otherwise might be very trusting of Patel and Bongino, react to this?
Yeah, I mean, this has been a storyline I've been very passionate about, so I'm so happy to be here.
I mean, basically, there's kind of been this break that's been coming for a while between Cash and Bongino on one side and sort of the MAGA faithful on the other.
In this moment, the Epstein interview here is kind of like the big break where this tension is kind of broken out.
Because, you know, obviously they think that there's an Epstein client list that has, you know, Oprah and all the Adrenochrome gang on it.
And that they think, you know, that all these people are going to be arrested and all this sort of stuff.
And, of course, the key to that is who murdered Epstein.
And for Dan Bongino just to come out and say, you know, he doesn't quite say it, but you can see in the tone of his voice, he's kind of like, stop bugging me about this.
Okay.
I'm having fun.
I want to be the FBI deputy director.
Let me do my thing and stop tweeting it.
I think Alex Jones said, you know, it seems like Dan's been duped, which is sort of the charitable version.
But there was a lot more kind of deep state trader type talk.
Yeah, yeah, there's this general belief that, like, you know, it's like, no matter who gets in, even the most pure-hearted patriot gets in, you know, they get captured by the Washington system, and that's what apparently happened to Bongino, right?
It's kind of a Frodo's ring situation, perhaps, you know, like, they just, anyone who gets into the deep state to try to clean it up is gonna get, you know, they're gonna say, you gotta cover up what's going on with Epstein.
It's like the right-wing version of, like, ultra-left communists who are like, oh, even the Marxist-Leninists.
When they make states, you know, they get corrupted by capital.
I guess they get corrupted by the deep state, conspiracies.
I know it's a bit harder to say that when you think of everything through conspiracies, where it's like the people in charge are the ones making decisions.
Because it's like, well, I guess there is just no analysis.
It's almost as if when they're doing a podcast or being a radio host, they can kind of say whatever they want.
But when they have a real job with salaries and there's accountability and somebody looking over their shoulder, they can't really say whatever they want.
And, you know, I do think there's an aspect, too, where I think Cash and Dan Bongino are really just, like, they do enjoy being the heads of the FBI.
Like, they're going to the tactical villages and, like, taking doors and doing all the posing with the raid.
And then these people are just like, hey, you gotta get me the Epstein client list.
And they want to say, like, it's not real, you know?
And obviously here they kind of just broke out with it.
Yeah, Bongino, he even clarified his stance on this issue with a post on Twitter.
He posted this.
I was asked about some of the details surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein case.
I have reviewed the case.
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
There's no evidence of the case file indicating otherwise.
I'm not asking you to believe me or not.
I'm telling you what exists and what doesn't.
If new evidence surfaces, I'm happy to reevaluate.
He's so bummed out about this.
I remember listening to his radio show around this time, and it was all, like, it was all Epstein didn't kill himself.
I mean, it was, you know.
Everybody around that time, there was barely anybody who was saying, you know, across the aisle, people were shaking hands and rejoicing, realizing, nope, we definitely all believe he did not kill himself.
Yeah, I mean, this is this is interesting because I think he like understands that like he is right now like a high level FBI official pleading with people to not believe their, you know, their their conspiracy theories or or not believe that there's some sort of cover up involving this high level sex trafficker who is well connected to a lots of people in elite circles.
And he knows that if he was on the other side, if he was still a radio host and like someone else was deputy FBI director saying the exact same thing, he would be calling bullshit and you would be he has this has this tone of guys, guys, you got to believe me.
I've done everything I can, but it's just it's just not that.
At best, they're saying, you know, Jesse Kelly, the podcaster, had to say, guys, Bongino is not the enemy.
I don't know what's going on here, but just don't get mad at Dan.
If that's the best they can do, he's obviously going to Here is what that person said.
I watched both you and Cash's body language today with Maria Bartiromo.
I absolutely 100% shocked by what I saw, almost as much as I was by your answers to her questions.
Who has bought the both of you?
Your answers about Epstein, J6, and Crossfire Hurricane are the exact opposite of your positions over the past several years.
Unbelievable.
I mean, didn't Bongino put out a book that was about Spygate?
Like, I remember very early on, he was such a Spygate guy.
He's reversed?
Well, it is really funny seeing these guys get in.
And, you know, yeah, you would think that they should be, like, completely purging the FBI.
And they've done a little of that.
But they also, like, promoted one of the main FBI, like, field office guys behind the January 6th prosecutions.
I mean, that guy, you know, if you would listen to the MAGA people, I mean, that guy's like a traitor.
And instead, you know, obviously...
So they really, you know, I'm afraid to say they've become deep state.
Yeah, I think you're on to something.
They actually like being with the other federal law enforcement officers with the real guns and the real raids and stuff like that.
They're like, oh, this is way better than sitting at some desk yelling into a microphone about how, you know, I think everything is some type of conspiracy theory.
So it's like, all of a sudden, when you're doing the real stuff with the real guys, you know, and you kind of feel like you're in your own movie or game.
Well, I guess not Bongino, because he was Secret Service for a little while.
But, like, it's gotta just be way more exciting and fun, and now this stuff that's kind of nipping at their heels following them from their pundit days is probably just like a thorn in their side.
Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, they, like, got on the football team, and now the old friends are like, you want to come back to Anime Club?
And they're like, no!
Leave me alone!
I can't be seen with you!
This also, I guess, does confirm that he didn't kill himself, right?
Presumably, if we needed a confirmation, like...
If there's any reason for Bongino to be able to say he didn't kill himself, it would be some evidence that there was shady stuff around here.
I assume that's the main pressure here, actually, is you can't lie about that if you're in this position.
Yeah, I want Bongino, like, hoisted out of his own press conference for, like, saying to, like, I want him to go up to the press conference where he's expected to speak and to be, you know, to be like the guy that's like, Bush perpetrated 9-11 and is, like, carried out by, like, two big security guards from his own press conference.
That's what I want to see.
There was a viral tweet that compared how Bongino spoke about the Epstein case in 2023 against how Bongino spoke about Epstein in that recent interview.
Listen, that Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal.
Please do not let that story go.
Keep your eye on this.
Catherine Rumler, I want you, we need to keep the heat on this case, folks.
There are a lot of people who are knee deep in the Washington swamp who are not telling you the truth about.
Yeah.
And you should be asking yourself the question, how is it that all these people, the CIA director, the Obama fixer, Bill Clinton, all intersected past with Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore, and nobody seems to want to talk about it outside of a few entrepreneurial media outlets saying, hey, this is a big deal.
He killed himself.
Again, you want me to...
He killed himself.
He does look like a scared man.
I mean, yeah, it's like his voice got so much softer.
You're right.
It sounds like he's trying to deliver some bad news as gently as possible.
Yeah, he looks like he's about to cry.
Visually, too.
Obviously, now he's wearing a suit and tie.
In the old clip, he's wearing a muscle shirt that says, We the People on it.
I mean, that was the real Bongino.
Bring him back.
This might not even be the same guy.
This makes me, I mean, not quite, but sort of want to see what would happen to, like, Alex Jones in this position.
Like, what's the cuck Alex Jones?
Yeah.
Having to deliver this information.
Yeah, how crazy do you have to be?
I think the question maybe is, like, how little do you care about your own safety versus being seen as someone who has brought, you know, light to darkness?
So here's how the Twitter user who made that video and posted that video explained his issues with Bongino.
Dan Bongino on Epstein.
Before and after he became Deputy FBI Director!
These people are like actors or puppets used by those operating from the shadows.
They're all on the same side.
They build narratives and then dismantle them when the timing suits their agenda.
It's all about keeping your attention so they can manipulate you.
And make no mistake, they're all playing for the same team.
The most important thing is that you believe there are left and right sides when in reality the elite only cares about their own survival.
I love the speed in which conspiracy theorists will burn their former heroes the moment they say something that really sort of intersects with a very strongly held belief, like the one that Epstein was murdered.
You know, I would just say that this account is an open-minded approach, I believe.
This is like a hot one.
I don't know if you guys have been following.
This one's blowing up.
I like it.
It's all about how the magnetic poles are going to switch and the planet's going to be destroyed.
They've got some interesting new angles.
Nice.
I love how all the conspiracy guys were like, A truth teller.
No, I mean, you're exactly right, Jake.
I mean, something that is so, like, appealing to me about covering this world is just, like, the absolute nest of vipers that it is.
And as soon as, like, one of these guys steps out of line, or really, as soon as someone sees an opportunity to stab them in the back and get market share, they're just like, you know, this guy, this guy's in the deep state, you can't trust him, you gotta stick with me, the home of occult consciousness.
Yeah.
Like, if these were, like, centrist liberals, they would be like, well, hold on, guys.
Like, maybe there's a reason, you know, maybe there's a reason that he said it this way.
And in fact, wait, you know, nobody wants to, he doesn't want to make, you know, a statement right now.
It could potentially ruin the case that he's working on.
So, like, let's give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Like, I wouldn't burn him just yet.
But meanwhile, like, the MAGA people are like, to the fucking stone pit!
Like, fuck this guy.
Like, oh, he did, oh, he killed, oh, he killed himself?
Yeah, like, you're washed, Bongino.
And then they'll pivot to, you know, whoever's, whoever's.
Yeah.
Democrats, for better or for worse, do you have, like, party loyalty?
Whereas Republicans, it's like loyalty to yourself and Trump.
Those are the two.
Yeah.
Now, I think an important context for all this is that Patel promised that he would release the Epstein files, like whatever that means, on day one.
And they had that debacle in which the Trump White House handed some conservative influencers binders full of, like, already public information about Epstein.
But really, like, nothing new or that shocking has been seen yet, which I have to confess, which surprise, that surprises me.
I'm very convinced that there is some interesting, relevant information somewhere in the government archives over the years about Epstein that would be, you know, would be scandalous and ruin some.
But it's just shocking how little has been released so far, given that he said that there would be information released on day one.
I actually follow a Twitter account called Did Cash Patel Publish Epstein's List Today?
And it counts off the days since that day one release didn't happen.
And as of this recording, we're on day 91. It just says, Did Cash Patel publish Epstein's List Today?
Day 91, no.
Yeah.
Part of this, I think, is a little bit, like, overblown, like, expectations.
While I do believe there is unreleased and interesting information about Epstein that's contained somewhere within the government archives, I'm like, I don't think there's probably not just an Epstein list.
There's not, like, a single document be like, oh, here are all the bad guys, and here are the depraved things they did, and here is this complete information.
Again, there's this fantasy that like, you know, one day the most awful and shocking secrets of the elite will just be released in a really clean and comprehensive way.
And I don't know.
I don't think that's going to happen.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that.
I think it's kind of like what we're getting from the JFK files, where it's like, for people who have been following this stuff really closely, whatever comes out is like, oh, okay, this kind of tells us a little more of these characters we're already familiar with.
By which I mean, like, these random associates of Jeffrey Epstein.
It's not going to be like, it's Oprah, you know, or what have you.
I mean, I don't know if you all have seen, but James O 'Keefe has been releasing videos from Epstein Island over the past few weeks.
It's always like, yeah, that's what a kitchen looks like.
Fair enough.
Art's a little weird.
He had Epstein's speed dial on his phone, and it was like, oh, who's it going to be?
Is it Tom Hanks?
No, it's Epstein's assistant.
It's kind of like who you would expect.
So I think those are the revelations we're in for, if anything.
Yeah, what a terrible place to be stuck between, which is that things are as they were presented to us, or we'll never get the reality.
Because if these two yahoos, Cash and Dan Bongino, who are literally now appointed to the highest levels of the FBI, can't squeeze out a couple new crumbs, that either means that the apparatus is so locked down.
That, like, this shit just will never get out?
Or that, yeah, that things are as they were told to us, and that's boring and also doesn't implicate Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Obama, which is really just what everybody wants.
That's all they want is for Dan Bongino to get up there and say, I have an arrest warrant for Hillary Clinton for child trafficking and pedophilia related to Epstein.
That's really, that's, you know, the holy grail.
Yeah, I mean, like, I feel like, you know, I feel like if Republicans or conservatives were, like, were really serious about getting to the bottom of Epstein as best as government information can, they would maybe elect someone who was not an Epstein associate, Someone who was not described by Epstein as his best friend.
So that's, I don't know, there's that element too, that like maybe whatever information they have come across, you know, maybe taints their boss a little bit.
This is kind of like a humiliation ritual.
One of the famous cabal humiliation rituals is that, you know, Bongino and Cash Patel have to get out there and say, you know, okay, guys, move on.
You know, we were dumb.
We were wrong.
Conservative commentator Glenn Beck, I think, has a good articulation of the dilemma of Trump supporters who believe that there is a massive amount of unreleased information in the federal government about shocking high-level corruption.
And his perspective is interesting because Beck is someone who personally knows Bongino and Patel.
But he also wants and expects them to release previously suppressed information about Epstein and Associates.
But they're not doing that so far.
So it's like he's in a kind of like strange spot.
But here's what he said on his podcast.
I believe him.
I believe him.
That's not good enough for America, however.
Now, I have also said on this program, do you want to feel good or do you want people to go to jail?
I want people to go to jail.
That's why I said with Pam Bondi, when on day number two, after that debacle of the release of the file, I said, look.
Perhaps this is because they're still gathering evidence.
They want to put people in jail, yada yada.
I don't know why they withheld that evidence.
But to believe that Pam Bondi, because I asked the president on this, to believe that Pam Bondi has sold out and then Kash Patel and Dan Bongino all sold out means that you must then believe that Donald Trump knows it.
and is part of it.
That's the problem.
Who is left to believe?
This is, I mean, I feel like that's basically it.
MAGA people are stuck.
They think that this is their last hope.
And if they start abandoning the belief that Trump is going to release all this information that's going to lead to the arrest of all the people that they hate, if they can't believe that, that they are left with a black pill.
Yeah.
Although I will say it's very interesting that he originally said, initially said, do you want to feel good or do you want people to go to jail?
Because people will go to jail.
And I think maybe that might like mend some of the cracks in this schism, which is like, okay, whatever.
They're not doing the Epstein stuff, but like look at everyone he's sending to El Salvador.
Like he's getting all of the...
I think, like, a lot of conspiracy theories are fascist enough that, like, that's all they really fundamentally want is a government that's like that.
So, I mean, I guess it's to be seen.
I'm sure that there are some conspiracy theorists that will split.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that is just the solution for the Trump admin, is to keep going down that path.
I mean, yeah, but I feel like that's probably not satisfying enough just because, like, you know, it's like they're, I guess they're probably, yeah, they're sadistic hearts.
They're happy to see, you know, immigrants brutalized and deported.
But they really want, like, the powerful people, like, the people that they thought are responsible for, like, allowing the immigrants in to go and suffer.
And they're not getting that.
They're not getting the, you know, Hillary Clinton getting sent to the El Salvadorian gulag.
Yeah, I think that's right.
I mean, basically, I think once they start indicting people who, you know, the Russiagate people, like, getting, you know, all these old characters like Nellie Orr and, you know, Lisa Page.
Oh my goodness, yes.
I'll bring them back, or, like, maybe the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt, or, like, obviously the Justice Department's making a lot of noise about, like, overdoing or overturning the Biden pardons, like, you know, put Fauci in prison.
If they just get Fauci alone, it's like, Dan Bongino will get, like, a parade.
You know, yeah, it's like, it's not enough that, like, even that their enemies die, right?
Like, look at the case of John McCain, you know, who was sick, and then he passed away, and they were like, oh, well.
He wasn't actually sick.
He was executed in secret.
But that's not, like, good.
Like, you have to see it in public.
There has to be some kind of moment, I think, really, like, for their liberal enemies where there is, like, beyond a reasonable doubt that, like, the conspiracy guys were right.
And, like, if any of this stuff happens behind the scene and there is ability for media to spin it one way or another, depending on which side of the aisle they kind of fall, it'll never be good enough.
Like, there has to be something.
It has to be.
They won't be satisfied until it's something that everybody sees with their own eyes, like Hillary Clinton, you know, being pulled out of her house.
I want to move on to, I guess, online baking generally.
Because, I don't know if you guys saw this, but the former FBI director James Comey was investigated by the Secret Service after he shared, then deleted an Instagram post, which Republicans allege was an incitement to violence against President Donald Trump.
Comey posted an Instagram of a photo of seashells which said 86-47, and it was captioned, Cool shell formation on my beach walk.
And 86 usually means like to eject or discard something, and 47 refers to President Trump.
Here it is, just in the beach, shells in the sand.
Future-proof past.
I know.
Ocean-proof beach.
Comey.
Comey-proof FBI.
Yeah, like, I'm of the opinion that this is cringe and a stupid thing for a former FBI director to post.
I mean, it's also just general bad practice to not post...
So when you post something that is clearly coded like this, they're going to take it into even weirder directions.
It's also funny because it's like you made him president.
Like that was a very important part.
2016 presidential run.
Comey, this guy just cannot help stepping on his dick over and over and over again.
Yeah.
You know, you mentioned Comey, you know, him blundering around on Twitter.
I mean, obviously, back in the old QAnon days, when he tweeted his five first jobs as a teenager, and then it was like, you know, Carnival Barker or whatever, and they baked that into being like, there's going to be a mass shooting at this elementary school's fundraiser this weekend.
And they had to cancel it.
It was so crazy.
Yeah, so people in MAGA world decided this 8647 post was a secret code suggesting that Comey was advocating for the assassination of Trump.
So Trump himself said as much in an interview on Fox News.
He knew exactly what that meant.
A child knows what that meant.
If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination.
And it says it loud and clear.
Now, he wasn't very competent.
But he was competent enough to know what that meant.
And he did it for a reason, and he was hit so hard.
There's something very soy about this.
You know, from the, like, are you triggered crowd?
It's like, that really hurt my feelings.
How dare you?
I'm actually very offended.
Yeah, only in modern times could somebody post something like this innocent, you know, as anybody who's worked in, like, restaurants, you know, 86, it's just, it's not, you know, it's not specifically code for assassination, you know.
And I have to assume, by the way, just to be fair, that if Kash Patel, the head of the FBI, if he posted the same thing with Biden's president number, there would be a number of influencers basically saying the same thing.
Like, oh, well, they're calling for the assassination.
I think a sign of the time that we're at is that nothing can be mundane.
Nothing can be innocent or goofy.
When it comes to politics and it comes to getting some kind of leg up on your political enemies, everything is taken to the extreme.
And it certainly doesn't help that there have been real legitimate assassination attempts on President Trump's life.
So he can just sort of kind of couch it up and go, oh, terrible.
It's so terrible, you know, and people will, they'll go out and do it and they'll listen to it.
They follow Kami on Instagram and they'll do it.
They'll listen to it.
You know, it's like everybody is, everybody wants to be the victim or, you know, defend the victimhood of, I don't know, of their guys.
This 86 thing, they really, just in the past few months, have really sort of been exaggerating the meaning of this into this, like, 86 means, like, execute with extreme prejudice.
Because this 8647 thing has also appeared on signs, at protests and stuff, and t-shirts.
And you can go out and you can say, Wow, look at all these Democrats carrying signs saying, murder Trump!
And so this has been driving me crazy for a while.
And this, you know, the idea that within just a few hours we had Homeland Security Secretary and the FBI all saying, oh, we're looking into this, where James Comey said murder Trump, you know, and so we've got to look into this.
It is my favorite thing working at a restaurant, you know, when someone put the 86 code, you like take a mortar launcher and you just aim it right at their table.
Well, you know what, I got a kick out of like, you know, Trump's suggesting here.
He's the head of the FBI.
He knows the mafia lingo.
Now, all of a sudden, all these people on the right are saying, look, we all know the meaning of 86. Take his body 80 miles from town and bury him six feet under.
It's like, what?
Oh, we all know that classic definition.
Oh my lord.
Yeah, because everybody knows, like, when you're the retired FBI director, steeped in controversy anyway, and you want to make a secret order from the beach to take out the current president, everybody knows that you hire somebody to spell it out with seashells.
Then you post it, and then you sit back and you wait for the murder to take place.
Well, this actually gets into, I'm interested in y 'all's take on this.
Comey claims he did not make the shells himself.
He said he just happened upon them on the beach.
What do we think?
Yeah, actually, let me play a clip of him making this claim on a recent interview.
We were walking on the beach.
We went to the beach to prepare for this week, which was the launch of my book, and to think about the book and to prepare to answer questions about it.
And we were walking back towards the road, and we saw in the sand someone had arranged shells with numbers.
And Patrice, my wife, said, why would someone put an address in the sand?
And I said, I don't know.
And we stood over it, and I said, you know, I think it's some kind of political message.
And she said, you know, 86, when I was a server, she did a lot of work in restaurants, meant to remove an item from the menu when you ran out of ingredients.
And I said, well, to me, as a kid, it always meant to leave a place, to ditch a place.
I said, that's really clever.
So then she said, you should take a picture of that.
And I did.
And I posted it on my Instagram account.
And thought nothing more of it until I heard through her that people were saying it was some sort of a call for assassination, which is crazy.
But I took it down.
Even if I think it's crazy, I don't want to be associated with violence of any kind.
I mean, this is a little hard to believe, honestly.
I mean, it might be true, but it's very strange that he just saw four numbers in the sand and then decided to take a picture of it.
It makes more sense if he created this himself, especially since the way that the shells are arranged is so perfect, so clean.
It's like no time at all has transpired since they were assembled.
There's nothing covering them up at all.
But like, even if that is...
This does sound very stupid.
The former head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, looking at four numbers and puzzling over them, trying to suss its meaning, trying to crack this case.
What do these shells mean?
It's like a fucking bit from Demolition, man.
Come on.
I was with him up until he starts saying he doesn't know the meaning of 86, or he's just like, well, you know, you have one clue from your past, and here's one from mine, and maybe together we can figure out the meaning.
I think it might be some sort of political thing.
You know, the fucked up thing is that, like, if he didn't make this, then, like, how sad that somebody went to the beach.
They actually went to touch grass, have a beautiful day at the beach, and, like, they were like, I know what I'll do.
I'll write a message about we should eject Trump in the sand for all who walk by to see.
Can you imagine like the person who's like, oh, my God, Comey retweeted.
And then, oh, I got Comey in trouble, like depending on what you're The whole thing is just so dumb and so sad.
Yeah, this reaction is very, very strange.
Like, claiming that Comey's being, like, inflammatory or whatever or inciting violence is especially, I don't know, hypocritical.
It's pointless to point out hypocrisy anymore.
But like, but it is because Trump to this day, he amplifies posts from QAnon followers on True Social, which are often like very inflammatory.
In fact, according to Media Matters reporter Alex Kaplan, who has done like very valuable work tracking this, Trump has now amplified QAnon promoting accounts at least 1,000 times on True Social since the platform launched in 2022.
There are not even a thousand days in a year.
Yeah, you just, I mean, like, sometimes he goes on sprees where he just, like, retweets or re-truths these posts over and over again.
So, one of these recent posts that Trump amplified was posted by a QAnon promoter named Spiritual Street Fighter.
It consists of a meme stating...
Read truth if you want public military tribunals.
I mean, just again, this is this very, very QAnon sort of, like, narrative thing.
The idea that, like, whatever Obama did was so awful, he isn't even good enough for civilian courts.
He's going to be tried by, you know, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and they're going to send him to Gitmo.
Well, and I guess if Trump re-truthed it, that he does, in fact, want to see military tribunals.
One could, I mean, if you're looking at the commandments of the meme, one would think that...
Another one of the images that Trump amplified includes this AI-generated image of Trump with this flowing cape on his shoulders.
And on his shirt collar, there is a Q+.
And the Q +, and QAnon lore, remember, is like code for Trump himself.
So, I mean, it is startling.
It's like, it's become numb to it, but it is insane.
That, like, Trump is still promoting QAnon memes here in 2025.
Well, I'm sure you all get asked this as well, but people are always saying to me, whatever happened to old QAnon?
And it's like, Trump's still at it, you know?
Like, the president is probably the most outspoken QAnon promoter now.
Yeah, it's just one of the things you can put in your artwork.
Or fold into something you believe.
It's just another, it's just like another piece of floam to mix into the bowl.
You know what I mean?
It's like, no, you just don't really hear about it quite as much, partly because the mainstream media doesn't report it on as much because it would be just tiresome to say, Trump promoted QAnon again, it happened again, it happened again, it happened again.
And then it's also kind of like tiring to just sort of like talk about the stuff that like still the very large QAnon media ecosystem is talking about.
Because then you get into this oxygen of amplification issue.
So it's just not part of like the real media reporting.
And, you know, here comes Comey, and he's like, oh, that's cute.
That's cute, you know?
People arrange the seashells on the beach, 86-47, eject him, get him out of there.
I can jive with that.
You know, maybe I'll tell you.
You think I should take a picture, honey?
Okay, where would I post it?
On Instagram?
That's cute, I guess.
All right.
And then, like, the Secret Service is at his door.
Meanwhile, Trump's like, re-truth for, like, public hangings.
I mean, not to get too lit, but I saw people online making this comparison that said, like, you're going to get so upset about this.
And yet you've got the current president, you know, who is like, you know, kind of neutral on Wednesdays.
I'm sure you all saw, but the, you know, people obviously were going through these right-wing media figures who had previously said 86 about Biden.
And so you had Jack Posobiec, for example, saying 86-46, the exact same thing.
And now it's being, you know, this is a direct threat to the president to say the same thing.
What does Poso have to say for himself?
I mean, it's just, it's yet another.
Another domino in the conservatives are becoming way too sensitive, you know?
It's like they were jealous of how sensitive liberals were, and now they've taken it and they're like, this is an outrage, you know?
I mean, what does Poso possibly say?
He's like, well, I didn't mean it in a murderous way, whereas this guy was the FBI guy who helped Trump get into office.
Clearly, he must have meant it in a violent capacity.
I mean, outrage culture is a very conservative thing.
Initially, I think.
So it makes sense that they're trying to claim it back, especially if they feel like they finally have cultural ground again and the culture isn't, like, leaning leftward.
It's like, yeah, it's our time to, you know, do cancel culture, basically.
Yeah, I mean, I sometimes think that, like, a lot of far-right figures believe that liberals were able to, like, sort of wield their sense of being offended in order to reach greater heights of power.
This is, like, the source of why they were able to, like, you know, win office or take over culture or whatever, is this hypersensitivity.
And there's this general belief that they can accomplish the same thing by acting like every little thing is just an unthinkable offense to them.
And yet another example of how conspiracy has become increasingly mainstream, a prominent conservative commentator, Benny Johnson, interviewed the QAnon and Pizzagate promoter, Liz Crokin.
So, As highlighted by Right Wing Watch, one of the things that Liz Croken discussed during that interview was the belief that the Simpsons television show does predictive programming.
Project Monarch, which was a CIA mind control program, was real, right?
So he talked about CIA mind control as well, but he also talked about predictive programming.
And what the deep state does is that they will they.
And even if it's just through TV shows or their art or music, they believe that that's what they have to do.
So if you look at a show like this, And it's like, well, no, actually, that's part of their predictive programming.
They are announcing their plans in advance, and they believe that if they announce them through pop culture and people accept that, then that's a ritual for them, and they can justify it that way.
They really don't make them like they used to.
I feel like like all this is really evidence that all the new QAnon people are like their heart isn't actually They can't do it like her.
I totally agree, Liv.
I mean, doesn't it feel good to just get someone saying something concrete?
Because I feel like a lot of these conspiracy theories now are like, they're behind it, or whatever.
And then she's like, yeah, okay, so you're going to want to look at the Lemon of Springfield episode.
Now this predicts the Butler assassination attempt, or whatever.
Yeah, I love that Liz Groken is, like, just still pushing the exact—she hasn't evolved at all.
Like, her messaging hasn't changed, and she's got the energy of somebody who's, like, an expert on this, and finally, like, the world is catching up, like, Benny Johnson.
She's like, I'm going on Benny Johnson.
Like, finally, like, after all these years, like, I'm going—I've hit the big time.
And so she's like, all right, just stick to the sort of, like, classic talking points.
Like, keep it simple so that everybody can understand what this cabal wants from us, how they're predictive programming, which is, by the way, not a thing at all.
There's no— I also do love, like, one of the classic Simpsons predictions is that Trump becomes president, right?
Like, he inherits, like, Lisa inherits the debt after President Trump.
Yeah.
So, I mean, how do we square that?
I feel like that's, like, the classic example.
Yeah, how does this all fit in?
I'll tell you.
The cabal knew that they would fail.
They knew that they would fail at some point.
And they had their eye on Trump.
That's why they kept him close.
That's why they wanted him to be a Democratic donor.
They wanted him showing up at the parties.
They needed to keep their eye on him because they knew eventually that this man would come in and beat them one day.
Look, Deep State, they just didn't bet on themselves, okay?
If they put it in The Simpsons, they knew that they were going to lose to this man at some point.
It's interesting watching Benny's body language there, because he's initially very supportive.
He's leaning in, he's nodding, and then it's, oh, Project Monarch, oh, I love it, that all makes sense.
And then when he realizes she's about to say something concrete about The Simpsons, and that's when he's like, and he leans back, and he kind of pauses the nodding.
But, you know, another thing I think is interesting here is I went back and watched this episode because I wanted to see how much Simpsons material there was.
And what's interesting is she's on Benny's show as like his expert on the Diddy trial.
And so like you can see a lot of these conspiracy theorists are kind of infiltrating.
They're getting kind of a new vector, which is like entertainment stuff.
And I think like the Diddy trial in particular, where they can say this stuff is pretty weird, right?
Let me tell you about the Kobolus.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I mean, this was shocking to me just because this is not a fringe podcast, right?
The Betty Show has previously interviewed several members of Congress.
It currently ranks as the 26th most popular political podcast on the Apple podcast charts.
And like here's someone who was like, you know, previously banned from several social media sites because of her extremism.
And how did she Trojan horse her way onto this show as, like, an expert on the Diddy trial?
See, that makes me think that Benny Johnson, like, that he's Like, wait a minute, she's supposed to be talking about Diddy, but she's talking about The Simpsons and Satanists, and they've got to do their actions out in the open via pop culture.
Like, what does this have to do with, like, how bad Diddy's hair looks?
Kroken's original thing was she was, like, a reporter.
A celebrity gossip, yeah.
Yeah, celebrity gossip, and then she was like, oh, I'm reporting on, I think it was Hillary Clinton corruption.
Human trafficking.
Yeah, yeah, human trafficking.
A human trafficking expert.
So I guess I feel like they've got And she's like, when can I come on?
When can I come on the show?
And he's like, well, we'll figure out something.
We'll figure out, maybe we can have you on to talk about Diddy because, you know, human trafficking, Diddy, and then, yeah.
And she's like, oh, perfect.
I wonder how much she feels like kind of cut out of the new Trump circle a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.
I wonder how she relates to that.
You know, it's funny you say that, Liv.
I was like, what has Liz Crokin been up to?
I mean, she gave like a little mini speech at Mar-a-Lago a few months ago.
They had like, I think it was like a human trafficking event or something.
So she's in there a little bit, but you're right.
I feel like a lot of the sort of the more mainstream lined, you know, these people who are a little more camera ready are like, you know, she went a little too far on Pizzagate so that when you hang out with her, people like us can point.
Too many Simpsons statements to be put on shows.
Now, finally, I want to discuss an interesting development in the whole Elon Musk and Doge saga, which is, it looks like Musk is going to devote less of his time and money to political causes in the immediate future.
According to himself, in a recent interview, he sounded kind of deflated by his experience in politics.
Your political influence.
I wondered whether you have decided yet how much you're going to spend on the upcoming midterms.
You spent a lot more money on the last US election than you envisaged when you were speaking here three years ago.
Are you going to continue to spend at that kind of level on future elections?
I think in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future.
And why is that?
I think I've done enough.
Is it because of blowback?
Well, if I see a reason to do political spending in the future, I will do it.
I don't currently see a reason.
This man is dressed like Tintin.
He's got a bomber jacket on with the lambskin collar.
His hair is flipped up a little bit on the front.
Very, very silly looking.
He sounds so bitter.
He's mad.
I mean, he like, you know, he's obviously like still mad about the Wisconsin Supreme Court thing where he put on the cheese head and they said, we don't like this.
And I mean, months later, he's still like fuming about it.
He's just like, yeah, I don't know.
I don't care about politics anyway.
Yeah, he's kind of got this energy like, I got you, Trump.
Like, what do you want from me?
Like, I got it for you.
Yeah, I mean, he's really like mission accomplished.
I took you as far as you need to.
You can handle it from here.
Yeah, I think the Wisconsin thing burned him with relation to his narcissism, which is a very funny reason that they, Republicans, lose a lot of money, potentially, for funding.
I wonder how much of that relates to, like, Tesla, because it seems like he needs to appear more engaged with Tesla because all of its market value relates to him being attached to it.
Basically, otherwise, it's just there's no reason for it to be at that level.
There's no reason in the first place, but it's really, like, connected to him.
So he has to, like, begrudgingly be like, yeah, no, I'm not going to put on the cheese hat again, I promise.
I'm going to be working at Tesla.
Yeah, it's like all of the time in the spotlight is great when everybody loves you, you know, but the moment that shifts and like, you know, like if you were doing stand-up comedy, right, and you've never really done it before and you go up your first time and like you bring the house down and everybody's like, wow, like you're going to be great at this.
And you're like, oh shit, like maybe I do have a future in this.
And then you go and you do it again and again, you bring the house down, everybody's laughing.
Everybody's loving you.
But then, like, the third time you go up and you just fucking bomb.
And, like, you know, you're like, oh, fuck.
It's like once you have to kind of contend that, like, it's not always going to feel good, there's a certain type of personality, which I feel like Elon Musk kind of fits into, that's going to be like, oh, well, like, you know, who's going to basically sulk and be like, well, I didn't want to do that anyways.
I've written enough jokes.
Very sour grapes.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I think Elon Musk, like you were talking about, Liv, is that it seems like he suffers from this common high-level tech entrepreneur delusion, which is that the only reason any organization has struggles accomplishing something is because they themselves have personally not attempted it.
Obviously, if their golden brain sort of worked on the problem, they can solve it, no problem.
He must have been told by some Republican officer Man, we really want to get this Wisconsin Supreme Court election in the bag.
That would help us a lot.
But man, the numbers aren't looking good.
And then Elon said, don't worry about it.
I got it.
I was like, you morons who don't work in tech obviously can't figure it out, but I will.
And then he put on the cheese hat.
He came up with a possibly illegal sort of like payment scheme to try and encourage votes.
And then his preferred candidate was blown out, lost by 10 percentage points.
Wasn't even close.
And so, yes, or this fantasy, this narcissistic fantasy that like he can like, you know, just spend money and direct his attention and efforts and performance and then solve a problem was sort of blown up.
Now he's very bitter.
I wonder the extent to which this also relates to him getting, I guess, maybe politically outmaneuvered in the White House, feeling like he has less influence there.
So it's like, why bother?
Yeah, yeah.
Some sort of like palace intrigue, you know, people who are a little bit more experienced and sort of like bending the ear of the king sort of like outplayed him.
I think that's right.
I mean, I feel like the height of this was when Trump was hanging out with Elon's son and Elon wasn't there.
And it was like Trump had adopted him or something.
And that seems to be sort of the...
It only got worse from there.
Now, there's a really interesting interview in the outlet Fast Company with one tech entrepreneur who had experience working at Doge.
Sahil Levinja is the founder of the digital product platform Gumroad, and then he worked as an unpaid contractor supporting the Department of Veterans Affairs.
And here's how that Fast Company article reported on his comments.
Now that he's there, he says he finds himself surrounded by people who, quote, love their jobs, who came to the government with a sense of mission driving their work.
We just basically use software to plug holes, but that's not what's happening.
Lavenge's skills with automation, which have helped keep Gumroad lean, are what he hopes to bring to the VA.
But when it comes down to it, what he's found is a machine that largely functions, though it doesn't make decisions as fast as a startup might.
I would say the culture shock is mostly a lot of meetings, not a lot of decisions, he says.
But honestly, it's kind of fine because the government works.
It's not as inefficient as I was expecting, to be honest.
I was hoping for more easy wins.
I love the tech startup hubris of, like, everyone needs to make decisions quickly and in a stupid way, like us.
Where you just do it quickly, decisively, don't think about it too much.
Yeah, I mean, what could go wrong?
It's only the VA, right?
Like, let's move fast and break things.
Yeah, because in the tech startup world, if you just make a bold decision and you work on a wild hunch and you just take action, action, action, like maybe you burn through some VC capital, maybe some users, you know, they get a bad product.
The stakes are fairly low, but we're talking about the functions of the federal government.
The stakes are extremely high, so yeah, unsurprisingly, it's a little more slow than a fucking This guy really has become, like, bureaucracy-pilled.
Like, I feel like he's really come to respect government employees and red tape.
Yeah.
Now, according to independent journalist Don Monaghan, Levenjoe was fired from Doge shortly after this interview was published.
There you go.
This person's all getting all kinds of lessons.
Like, yeah, like, oh, you know, these are just people like, yeah, it's slow and it's like, you know, it's lumbering and it doesn't act very quickly.
But there are people who generally, you know, they believe in the mission of their jobs.
And also, like, you know, if you talk honestly, but sort of like badly about Elon's sort of pet project, you're going to be out on your ass.
What did they expect when they went in there?
Did they just expect that, like, they would open the door to a conference room and it'd be, like, 400 NPCs, you know, crowded in there together, walking into one another?
And, you know, they had, like, a couple lines of dialogue and that was it?
I think that these people are so young that, you know, anything that people that they idolize, they'll believe until they're...
Boy, I just, I always wanted, I always wanted to push these applications through, and I've been doing it for 15 years.
And, you know, if I can make one small difference in this world, and these kids, you know, are like, It feels bad to have to tell them to their face that, like, we're going to replace them with some kind of computer program.
Like, I don't want to do that.
Yeah, I feel like everything about this article makes me feel like I could sell this kid a bridge in Brooklyn.
Yeah.
Like, even also just thinking you could talk this way about Doge.
And, like, not get fired.
Yeah, right.
That he could say, hey, good news, the government isn't corrupt and inefficient.
We don't need Doge anymore.
You know, the other person who's had, you know, a big conversion is Janine Pirro, who's now the top prosecutor in D.C. She posted a video this afternoon where she says, look at this in the government.
We have to pay into a collective pool to afford bottled water.
You know, why don't the feds have better perks?
We should be getting free water.
And it's like, wait, what?
What?
Is that the message?
Is that not enough money was being spent on federal employees?
This is, like, the energy of, like, finally being invited to what you believe is an adrenochrome party and, like, realizing, like, that they just have kind of a spread of Trader Joe's snacks.
Like, they've just got, they've got the cheese dip, they've got a couple of the, you know, they've got the dark chocolate peanut butter cups, they've got some of the things, but you're like, wait a fucking minute.
Like, where's the fucking gold plate, you know, gold plated chocolates and the fondue fountain and the, you know, the hors d'oeuvre trays with like vials of adrenochrome going around.
It feels like maybe this cabal, this deep state, like in some ways is much less...
And it's a lesson I feel like I've also learned with the second Trump admin is like, I mean, there really isn't much of a deep state in the sense that they're not stopping any of these appointments.
They're just kind of letting Cassie Tell be head of the FBI.
I guess it's fine.
And it's working out great because he's not spilling the Epstein client list.
So it's like, well, everything works.
Yeah, maybe this is just how those institutions function, generally.
You don't need a secret cabal of people to, like, enforce it.
Yeah, it turns out, like, healthcare benefits, salary, a little bit of government clout actually go quite a long way.
Yeah, I think that, yeah, these people, I think they generally believe the reason why anyone would, like, work in government as opposed to Silicon Valley is because they are their cognitive lessors.
Like, they just don't, obviously, they don't value their life and time, and they are not as smart, and they just don't, they don't have as much agency.
They're just not as much, they're NPCs.
They're not as full of a person as someone who works in Silicon Valley, obviously.
But they went in, so they assumed it would be trivially easy to use their experience as big tech entrepreneurs to come and explain to them why what they're doing is wrong and efficient and how to, like, punch it up and be, like, just make it better.
There would be lots of, like, you know, low-hanging fruit, as they say.
How disappointing for the QAnon people.
They actually got the kind of the ungettable, which is a second Trump term, you know, full authority.
Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, you know, guys who for years have been saying that they're going to expose the deep state, they're going to expose the cabal, all of this stuff, and then just nothing?
It's really, you know, I'm glad that I am a person personally in my life that hasn't staked any kind of meaning or happiness from the cabal being exposed.
I imagine that that's got a it's got a really sting to see your guys in power and still do nothing, which leads me to believe that we will see a resurgence of QAnon because there will once again be a need amongst the base to explain why they control all levels of power.
And yet they're seeing zero result.
I'm surprised it doesn't come back, honestly.
My prediction, and I don't like giving predictions, and I don't like saying, you know, I don't like doing this, but because Will's here, and we're in old school vibe.
We're back to a 2018 kind of vibe.
I will say, and I hope this doesn't happen, but I think if President Biden passes away, I think Q will return on that news because that'll be a big event.
It's going to shock a lot of people.
They'll use the, you know, he was secretly executed because they did it with McCain.
I feel like a big event like that could see the return of a poster claiming to be Q, maybe not the original poster.
I like that bold prediction.
I also think it suggests that Biden's spirit has been keeping Q at bay.
Like a talisman.
And when he's gone, Q will search back.
I mean, in some ways...
I mean, in some ways, yes.
Because you can't look at Biden and look at his policy and go, he's a communist.
You know what I mean?
Like, even people who hate communists, like, can't really believe that, you know?
All of the things, you know, people point at Donald Trump and they go, he's a fascist, he's, you know, he is reenacting policies that would have been familiar in 1930s Germany.
And you go, hmm, yeah.
You go, hmm.
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, you could make that comparison.
But, like, you know, Biden, he was never guilty of the thing, you know, that was sort of used against him.
And, you know, just saying he's old and he's sleepy, it's like, well, no shit!
You know, you're just essentially stating the obvious at this point.
So, I don't know, maybe he is some kind of talisman, which, in case, I really wish him a speedy recovery.
And hopefully, hopefully he can keep, he can keep Q&A.
Will, thank you so much for joining us today.
It's been a pleasure.
We'll go ahead and link to that article you wrote about Pongino and the Bank of Faithful in the show notes, but where can people go and find more of your work?
Yeah, I'm at Will Summer, that's S-O-M-M-E-R, on Twitter, or X, or what have you, and Blue Sky.
I'm on the Bulwark.com, as well as the Bulwark YouTube channel every so often.
And that's where I am now, and it was just such a pleasure rejoining the gang.
Oh, the pleasure is all ours.
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That's qaapodcast.com Liv, before we sign off, if people are interested in hearing more of your work, where can they find you?
Yes, I have a Twitch stream that I stream on sometimes, twitch.tv slash livakar, and also a newsletter at livakar.com, and a secret other thing coming soon.
Yeah, we've got some, like, cool secret stuff that none of you know about.
Will knows about it, we told him before the show.
I'll keep your secret.
Yeah, he is one of a very small...
You could maybe even count it on two hands, the amount of people that know the secret thing that Liv is working on.
And there's other hosts with secret things as well.
So stuff to look forward to in the QAA verse.
But until then...
Listener, until next week, may the deep dish bless you and keep you.
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Just don't sit there and tell us, oh, we've closed it, he acted alone, we have the files.
Don't, if you're gonna crap on me or piss on me, don't, you know, don't rub it in and don't tell me it's raining, okay?
Please.
Please.
I mean, can you not?
Just as a PR issue, will you stop it?
Kosh and Bongino?
I know, obviously, Dan, nobody's smarter than you.
But if you want to go from being very popular to very unpopular, and thus hurt Trump as well, just keep going.
Keep going, tough guy.
Okay, I'm going to stop right there.
I'm getting angry.
And it's very insulting to the American people to say Epstein killed himself.
No one buys it.
It's very insulting to say that that Mind control.
Classic mind control operative.
Act alone.
Please, stop!
The one that trained where the federal law enforcement trained all that?
His cell phone all around the federal building in D.C., the FBI headquarters?
Stop it!
If you're not going to do anything about it, just shut up about it then!
That's only going to encourage the group inside the government, the faction, to try to kill the big guy again.
I'm trying to create some controversy.
Alex Jones turns on Trump, turns on Bungino.
It's not that.
Just please don't insult us anymore.
Please, please, please.
God, I mean...
I mean, just do not do it.
give me a headache.
You know, we had a...
And they came back and talked about the FBI pulling up and threatening them and following them and telling them to stop their investigation.
And then that same FBI now is still in charge, obviously, and is just telling us to just stop investigating.
Well, we're not going to.
You guys can tell us.
You have nothing to see here and crap like that, but we're not going to shut up about it.
You can be guaranteed of that.
If you want to know about it, go put the article back up, the Agman investigation into it.
