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Welcome, listener, to the 271st chapter of the QAA podcast, the An Arrow to the Knee episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rakitansky, Brad Abrahams, and Travis Vu.
Now, before we continue, I just want to clarify that Jake is the one who came up with that title, a pun that really doesn't work very well in audio.
You've got to see it because it's the A-A-R-O.
The A-A-R-O to the knee.
Well, look, every time, every time, you know, we record, I try to do a little something for all the Skyrim fans out there and, you know, the organization being called A-A-R-O.
And I don't even know if people pronounce it A-R-O, but that's how the conspiracy theorists are pronouncing it in their TikTok videos.
So I thought, what a great opportunity.
Have extraterrestrials visited Earth?
Well, according to the recently released report by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or the AARO, the federal government doesn't know anything about them, if they have.
The office and the report are the end result of years of speculation that the government has not been entirely forthcoming about what it knows regarding off-world visitors.
So for today's show, we are joined by our resident UFO expert, Brad Abrahams, to discuss the report and how the UFO disclosure community is reacting to it.
Not well at all.
I imagine they've been building up to this.
So we're also going to talk about one of the most prominent of the so-called UFO whistleblowers, David Grush.
This has been quite a journey, quite a media spectacle.
I mean, it's been one of the most exciting times to be into UFO disclosure, even though it has ended in disappointment so far.
But before all of that, QAA News.
So it's election season in earnest now.
You know that because Donald Trump and Joe Biden have clinched their party's nominations officially.
So congrats to those boys.
Congrats to the nation.
It's going to be quite a year.
We'll see if we come out on the other side in one piece.
Yeah.
Not if the Civil War movie has anything to do with it.
So, that means that we're going to find out just how much QAnon is not merely a movement of fringe online kooks, but rather a phenomenon that is very much wedded to the Republican Party.
The most prominent GOP politician with a history of promoting QAnon is still Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I assume she's going to be in Congress for quite a long time.
But there are some up-and-coming QAnon politicians.
One such QAnon politician is Michelle Morrow, who is the Republican nominee for State Superintendent of Public Instruction in North Carolina.
Now, that doesn't sound like a very exciting position, but she's going to be overseeing thousands of schools and billions of dollars if elected.
She has expressed several far-right views, such as the claim that public schools are socialist indoctrination centers and that Muslims should be barred from public office.
Good stuff.
She has also said during Pride Week of June of 2023, quote, as a nurse, I want you to understand something.
There's no pride in perversion.
What does being a nurse have to do with that?
I don't know.
Yo, they teach you in nursing school the meaning of pride.
I have no clue what that means.
So all of that would be horrifying enough, but she's also a QAnon person.
So really, really the cherry on that shit cake.
In March of 2020, in responding to a QAnon follower named UndauntedWarrior, who tweeted, Trump 2Q2Q, like Trump 2020, but the zeros are replaced with Q. This person also tweeted, Patriots Worldwide, WWG1WGA.
Michelle Morrow responded with her own hashtag, WWG1WGA.
So she's out here tweeting straight up QAnon hashtag stuff.
So not subtle at all.
Not cutesy, not coy.
She's in it.
So good stuff.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, she thanks undaunted warrior for his posts.
Now it gets worse because CNN uncovered more comments about her very, very strange beliefs.
So in comments made on social media between 2019 and 2021, Morrow made suggestions about executing prominent Democrats for treason.
Including Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar, the North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and other prominent people such as Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates.
Now, if Julian was here, he would suggest which ones actually deserve to be executed for treason, but we're going to pass on that.
So, he's with us in spirit.
I wonder which form of execution she would prefer.
Well, it's funny.
She actually talks about that.
She wrote a tweet in May of 2020 responding to a user sharing conspiracy theory who suggested that sending Obama to prison at Guantanamo Bay.
And here's what she wrote.
I prefer a pay-per-view of him in front of the firing squad.
I do not want to waste another dime on supporting his life.
We could make some money back from televising his death.
So yeah.
How is she supporting his life?
I mean, come on, the guy's self-sufficient.
He's doing, he's speaking tours and Netflix deals and appearances.
I mean.
But this is the alternative to life in prison.
This is the idea that whether, whether Obama should serve life in prison, therefore he has to be supported on the taxpayer's dollar.
Or be executed.
This is what they think is, you know, by the way, that's a myth.
Execution is actually much more expensive than life in prison.
But in another post in May of 2020, she responded to a fake Time magazine cover that featured art of Obama in an electric chair.
Wow.
So yeah, so very big bloodlust there.
Here's what I want to know.
So she she's gunning for the top position in sort of the state sort of like she's gonna be in charge of all the schools in North Carolina.
This is the position she wants.
If she wins, would she, like, wind up retooling to talk about, you know, QAnon and the, you know, the Great Awakening and how there is this group of military experts who came together to disclose about all the crimes that Obama committed?
Because, you know, if not, I question how committed she is to the cause.
I just don't think she'll have to by that time.
Oh, right.
Because, yeah, it'll just be the normal history books.
Right.
Okay, so I have a little bit of QAA news myself here.
I guess this would be from the page six area of our podcast.
So, on March 10th of this year, the Academy of Motion Pictures and Sciences celebrated their 96th annual Oscar Awards, hosted by one of the late night jimmies.
The ceremony was mostly God-fearing, with the exception of Best Costumes, whose award was presented by an almost fully nude John Cena.
Despite Cena looking incredibly masculine, with muscles bulging like one of those pink wrestlers that came out of the plastic tube, many conspiracy theorists agreed that Cena had been forced to participate in a humiliation ritual for the amusement of the pedophile elites.
An article written by Peyton Armstrong for Media Matters tracked various far-right influencers and social media users' reaction to the comedy bit.
QAnon influencer Stu Peters posted a video to his Rumble channel titled, and I'm sorry for this title and I'm sorry for his content, the video is titled, Gay Oscar Stunt Was Humiliation Ritual John Cena Initiated Into Homo Hollywood.
So, very bad stuff.
Also, I had not watched Stu Peter's videos in a while, and holy shit, his intro is, like, out of this world insane.
I'll play it for you now.
I'm on a very specific mission.
We have to identify who the real enemy is.
We have to know where does this infiltration come from.
The American people need a warrior that's unafraid to point out the real enemy.
The American people are deserving of truth, exposure, and extreme accountability for the crimes against humanity that are being committed.
We're on the brink of the complete collapse of America, while at the same time at the precipice of an amazing victory.
If we want to prevent our children from facing a future bloodbath, I mean, I'm talking mass amounts of bloodshed.
We need to step up and fight this war, and we need to fight it now.
Uncensored.
I refuse to be silenced or muzzled.
Unafraid.
No man will intimidate me.
Unstoppable.
It is literally, I mean, it is.
Brad, you were saying, oh, I can't really see the video.
It's kind of choppy.
It just, it's like that.
I mean, it looks like you are, you know, that you're trying to adjust the antenna of an old TV set, you know, in the middle of a rainstorm.
It's like a wrestling video intro.
No man will intimidate me.
It's like the Ultimate Warrior.
It is.
Yeah, it is like a wrestling intro video.
That's a really good comparison, actually.
I mean, this is, I think, really, you know, the representation of the modern Nazi movement.
It's ludicrous and cartoonish and amateurish, but it's also calling for the forthright.
Yes, and for the people listening at home, Stu Peters has actually edited in no less than three anti-Semitic drawings of Jewish people flashing across the screen while he says the line, quote, crimes against humanity.
I mean, they're not even trying to hide it.
It's it's so blatant.
And Peters himself is is slowly morphing into what looks like a An AI-generated Nazi in the background of the new Indiana Jones movie.
And so after a truly, truly bitter intro expressing his utter disgust at the idea of Hollywood congratulating themselves for making movies, Peters laments that John Cena has finally been turned to the dark side.
The creeps at the Oscars found the time to run another humiliation ritual on live television.
This time it was John Cena's turn.
The professional wrestler.
The WWE champion whose entire life has been a script.
What better guy to induct into the Hollywood Eyes Wide Shut club?
I mean, he already knows how to act.
He already knows how to play pretend and how to fool the general public into thinking that he's some kind of a legitimate athlete, so why not bring him on board out in Hollywood?
They've been building up for this for a really long time.
He's been making the rounds on the morning shows, throwing out his little progressive talking points, appearing on commercials as some sort of a tough guy for open borders, and now John Cena has officially joined the club.
He's gone through the humiliation ritual.
In case you missed it, Cena had a whole skit with subversive, creepy, not funny comedian Jimmy Kimmel, who by the way was exposed by King Bao, who will be joining this network.
On the program, Uncancellable.
I love that he's like, look, we already know he's a fantastic actor.
And has a beautiful physique.
Yeah, we already know he's rippling with muscles.
God!
God, this is so gay!
It's like, oh man, I feel like so much, you know, so much of this is, you know, John Cena walks out on stage, you go, oh man, that's, hey, that guy's got a, Whoa, his... Hey, what are they doing to me?
Wait a minute!
In fact, many conspiracy theorists zeroed in on the bit as proof of some kind of satanic ritual.
One TikTok video discussing the sketch that has over 3 million plays also seems to suggest that John Cena is potentially a clone?
Did John Cena just perform a humiliation ritual at the 2024 Oscars?
Cena would walk out in front of everyone with simply a cardboard box covering what people don't want to see.
Is this the same John Cena the world used to know?
At the beginning of 2023, John started wearing dresses in public and was seen many times looking feminine.
People were already starting to wonder, and then he would go on to make OnlyFans.
In one of his OnlyFans videos, you can see John's eyes looking sad.
People are thinking Cena is being humiliated by Hollywood on purpose for fame and fortune.
Not only did Cena close to embarrass himself at the Oscars, but he did it in front of his ex-wife Nikki Bella in the audience.
Many celebrities were left uncomfortable after this bit at the Oscars, especially the thought of John Cena's fanbase being very young.
This has wrestling fans and Cena fans wondering what's going on, and if this is the John Cena we're used to seeing.
So they watched the OnlyFans video and caught his eyes looking sad for half a second?
Apparently he only made the OnlyFans as a promotion.
It was kind of a joke tie-in.
He posted just a bunch of silly videos on it.
You know, nothing sexual or anything close.
The music is perfect though.
It's the same, all the conspiracy people use the exact same, they use that same sound clip.
You know, QAnon promoter Liz Kroken also commented on the event and she too was concerned about the millions of young eyes watching and she wrote, This is not just a humiliation ritual.
The Hollywood pedophiles, rapists, and perverts are certainly getting off on this.
I'm sure Jimmy Kimmel is as well.
Also, Kimmel ran another skit on his show featuring an FBI-identified pedophile symbol in it and a pizza.
Pizza is pedophile code.
Children are most likely watching.
So, yeah.
Also, by the way, the video says that he was covering himself with a cardboard box.
That's not true.
It was the award envelope.
And also, the whole point of the bit is that the lights fade and a half dozen wardrobe people come out to drape Mr. Cena in a toga to sort of show off the high-pressure environment in which costume designers have to work in.
So, look, here's Jake's take on the matter.
This is nothing new.
We've been doing The Guy With No Clothes bit for hundreds of years.
For Christ's sake, The Emperor's New Clothes was published in 1837.
The whole joke is that it's humiliating.
In fact, the scripted banter between Kimmel and Cena revolves entirely around Cena pretending
he doesn't want to do the bit anymore.
People do more extreme versions of this all the time at sporting events, and it doesn't
seem like the cabal is forcing them to do it.
You know, nevertheless, folks continue to discuss the event on Reddit's r/conspiracy
with one user suggesting that the practice traces back to a Freemason humiliation ritual.
To this, another user chimes in, posting, "It's a shared experience of humiliation as
a form of bonding and having blackmail material."
To join Skull and Bone Society, apparently, you have to masturbate to completion in a coffin while all the other members watch.
Which of course means George H.W.
Bush, who watched his son George W. Bush masturbate.
That is an interesting mental picture.
Why are you thinking about that?
Why are you even being like, oh man, that would be crazy.
Crazy having to watch your own boy rub one out.
I wish you did an AI photo of that to add in, Jake.
Well, you know, it's like John Cena has gotten to a place in his career where if he doesn't want to do something, He doesn't have to.
I mean, he's already been made rich from wrestling.
He's been made rich from all of his film appearances, residuals from that, any producer fees, you know, that he's collected over the years, not to mention speaking engagements.
I mean, if he didn't want to do the nude guy on stage bit, he wouldn't have.
And I can tell you this from personal experience because when I was a young, a very young person trying to make it as an actor in Hollywood, I got called into an audition for an MTV spring break promo.
And I was pulled into a room with about 15 other guys.
That's usually how they do commercial, you know, commercial and promo stuff is you all kind of audition in a group together.
And they were like, okay, you guys, you're on a beach, you're dancing, you're having fun.
All right.
And they played some music and we all kind of danced and pretended like we were on a beach having fun.
And then the casting director was like, all right, everybody take their shirts off.
And I was like, huh?
And I looked around the room and it was a bunch of guys who were in really good shape and I myself was a little bit doughy and I was like, oh, if that's, I mean, if that's being judged, I mean, if that's part of whether or not we're going to get the job, all these guys got me beat and I don't really feel like taking my shirt off.
So I just walked out of the audition.
Like, just flat out, before they even did it, I just literally walked out the door.
And I was flat broke, I had no clout.
So, you know, if I, you know, decided, hey, you know what, this bit isn't really for me, I'm sure John Cena, you know, is more than capable of doing the same.
Yeah, this is what I don't, I don't get.
Like, it's like the whole humiliation ritual or blackmail material thing only really makes sense if it's someone, if you're doing it to someone who was like low level or up and coming.
Right.
You need to make them do these awful rituals in order to get them into superstardom.
But he's already the big, one of the biggest stars in the world.
Yeah!
Like he started when he was in like the Suicide Squad and one of the Fast and the Furious movies in 2021.
Years ago!
He's at the top.
So why?
So why?
Why exactly?
It doesn't even make sense in the conspiracy logic.
Yeah, I mean, maybe if they dragged him out on a leash or something and like, you know, he looked bruised and bad.
I mean, maybe you could you could try to try to make a case.
No, odds are he was the one who came up with the skit.
I mean, for all we know.
In recent years, there have been some people with notable credentials claiming that the government is covering up information about their contacts with UFOs, or as they're currently known in the official capacity, UAPs, or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
I gotta say I'm maybe this is I'm getting maybe I'm getting old and cranky, but it's like, why are they changing the name now?
You know, I feel like I get I guess a little bit more technical.
It doesn't necessarily have to be flying in order for it to be it could be like, for example, one of the cases that they talk about report just sort of a graphic kind of artifacts that looks like it's flying or something like that.
Yeah, it also opens it up instead of object phenomena could mean like weather phenomenon or just some sort of geological anomaly.
All right.
OK, but this is the last time they get to change the name of this thing.
All right.
For the rest of my life, it's going to be UAP.
I'm not going to call it anything else.
Now, strictly speaking, there is a long tradition of claims of government cover ups related to UFOs or UAPs.
Now, we've covered elements of the so-called UFO disclosure movement before.
We did an entire episode of Dr. Stephen Greer, who is a prominent figure in that movement.
You know, there's this very utopian kind of strain in that movement.
They have this belief that not only is the extraterrestrials real, and not only do they visit Earth, and not only does the government have a lot of information about these alien beings and this technology, but once it's disclosed, once it's revealed, then all of a sudden we're going to enter into a world of world peace, and there's going to be incredible technology, and there's going to be free energy, and maybe Med beds?
Hell no.
There's this weird utopian strain that believes the only barrier between us and sort of a perfect society is UFO just fucking finally admitting what they know about UFOs.
It's very strange.
But more recent claims have been made by people who have like, you know, real security clearances and, you know, even like members of Congress.
And some have claimed that these are more than simply aerial phenomena that have not been identified, you know, the strict sense of the concept, but actual hyper-advanced craft of extraterrestrial origin.
Now, the Pentagon has recently acknowledged encounters with UAPs in the strict sense of the concept.
In fact, there have been videos released of these encounters just a couple years ago, which stimulated interest in the subject.
In 2021, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a report on UAPs.
This report is often called the Pentagon UFO report.
The report found that they weren't able to identify 143 of 144 aerial objects spotted between 2004 and 2021.
Boy, that's pretty spooky.
for "Aerial Objects Spotted Between 2004 and 2021."
Boy, that's pretty spooky.
The one identified object was a large, deflating balloon.
Now, the report said that 18 of the identified objects featured unusual movement patterns or flight
characteristics, and more analysis was needed to determine
if those sightings represented breakthrough technology.
Now, the report did not claim that the sightings were linked to extraterrestrial beings.
Now, the exact phrasing in the report was, quote, we have no clear indications that there is any non-terrestrial explanation for them, but we will go wherever the data takes us.
So this, I mean, this was pretty exciting.
You'd have to be a very cold-hearted person to not at least be a little intrigued by that kind of language.
The most high profile of the self-described UFO whistleblowers is David Grush.
Now, David Grush has made a number of extraordinary claims that, if true, would rewrite significant parts of history and completely reconfigure our understanding of our place in the universe.
Grush has claimed that the U.S.
federal government maintains a secretive UFO or UAP recovery and reverse engineering program that is in possession of non-human spacecraft along with their dead pilots.
He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a non-human spacecraft in 1933.
Was that the Nazi bell?
Like that bell-shaped craft of lore?
I think so, yeah.
Grush claims that American citizens have been harmed and killed as part of the government efforts to cover up this information.
Now, you might say this sounds like the ravings of a madman.
Why taking this seriously?
Well, it's because he has some very substantial credentials.
Grush is an Afghanistan combat veteran and former Air Force intelligence officer who worked in the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, or the NGA, and the National Reconnaissance Office, or the NRO.
From 2019 to 2021, he was the representative of the NRO, or the Identified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
From late 2021 to July of 2022, he was the co-lead for the UAP analysis at the NGA, and as representative to the task force, he assisted in drafting the National Defense Authorization Act of 2023.
So he isn't just some random kook.
He's someone who specifically worked in this domain, in the government.
So it's like, you know, at least worth hearing him out.
Grush first took his claims to the media.
He was interviewed for the independent outlet The Debrief and also the recently formed subscription television network NewsNation.
So this is from the intro of that NewsNation broadcast.
We're definitely not alone.
for the first time, we are not alone.
We're definitely not alone.
Claims that our government has proof of alien life.
We have spacecraft from another species.
We do, yeah.
How many?
Quite a number.
Some are landed, some are crashed.
Allegations of a secret government program that has hidden the truth, the technology, from the world.
There's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S.
populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral.
And it's totally, totally frightening.
From Roswell to the present day.
So pretty shocking stuff.
But he would get more wide recognition during his July 2023 testimony to Congress.
During that testimony, he repeated many of his most extraordinary claims, such as the claim that they discovered non-human biologics.
This is from an exchange he had with Representative Nancy Mace.
If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.
Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?
Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.
And was this documentary evidence, video, photos, eyewitness?
Like, how would that be determined?
The specific documentation I would have to talk to you in a skiff about.
You can tell some of the members of Congress were having fun with this.
There was a lot of giggling going on for a congressional hearing.
Now, to get a more complete picture of David Grush, I feel like I should mention that a friend of the show, Ken Klippenstein, through the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, has uncovered information about past sort of unstable behavior by Grush.
Police records obtained by The Intercept reveal that on October 1st, 2018, Grush was committed to a mental health facility, and this was based in part on a report that he, quote, made a suicidal statement after Grush's wife told him he was an alcoholic and suggested that he get help.
A police incident report produced by the Lewton County Sheriff states, quote, Husband asked complainant to kill him.
He's very angry.
Guns are locked up.
A separate police report from earlier, dated October 13, 2014, describes a similar incident.
A 27-year-old male threatening suicide at a property that County Records show was owned at the time by Grush and his ex-wife.
That property has since been sold.
The report notes that, quote, he is violent and has access to a weapon.
You know, take that for what it's worth.
Some defenders of David Grush, like Representative Tim Burchett, falsely characterized this as the intelligence community leaking medical records as part of a campaign to smear and discredit him.
Now, that's not true.
This was a reporter using instruments of government transparency to learn more about Grush.
Yeah, like, I agree with that.
But I also, I feel like it's, you know, these, these accounts from his past aren't really all that relevant.
Partly like he's an Afghanistan combat veteran, right?
I'm sure it's actually pretty common, like this, this type of PTSD.
But what I find more kind of suspicious about him is how media trained he seems like he's just so smooth on camera and in interviews and in front of Congress and Like that's the one red flag for me is like I want to see like you know a stuttering kind of nervous nerdy guy instead of someone so smooth.
I was just thinking that that you know if it was me and I had the opportunity I was in front of a bunch of cameras ready to spill my guts about all the alien bodies you know that I had seen or heard about I would be vibrating with energy I would look insane I would be like You guys don't understand.
These things, they're made of jelly.
They're made of jelly, okay?
You can stick your hand right into their tummies, pull it right out, nothing happens.
I mean, the organs just reform around the space.
I mean, it is incredible.
I also agree.
Someone simply suffering from mental health struggles isn't by itself discrediting.
But I think what's really more relevant is the fact that so many people immediately jump to a conspiratorial explanation about why this information is being revealed, which I think is More strange and troubling than his personal mental health struggles.
Around this time, the DOD formed the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or the AARO.
And this was designed to replace the US Navy's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force or the UAPTF.
So this is part of a broader US government effort to evaluate unexplained phenomena and sort of across All domains of military and other sectors try like fairly this.
There were many sort of disparate kind of like attempts to understand this phenomenon.
This was like the attempt to consolidate all those and bring us together and bring us a more complete understanding of what's going on with these.
That's this sort of idea.
So, the first Acting Director of the AARO is the Laser Materials Physicist Sean M. Kirkpatrick, and he also has some intel credentials.
Between 2012 and 2016, he served as the Defense Intelligence Officer for Scientific and Technical Intelligence for the DIA, and from 2016 and 2017, he served as the Deputy Director of Intelligence of the U.S.
Strategic Command.
On March 6, 2024, the DoD cleared for publication the AAR Report.
It was called a Report on the Historical Record of U.S.
Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, UAP, Volume 1.
And great way to end the name of that report, Volume 1, because it tells you it sets it up for a sequel, you know, it gives us a cliffhanger.
Right.
I looked into this, though, and apparently Volume 2 is just sightings or interviews that took place within the last year or something like that.
Before this, it looked at everything from the 1940s up until 2023, and then Volume 2 is going to be 2023 through 2024.
So, you know, I don't have my hopes up, but there will be more that comes out.
So the top line finding of this report can be found in this paragraph in the conclusion of the document.
To date, AARO has not discovered any empirical evidence that any sighting of a UAP represented off-world technology or the existence of a classified program that had not been properly reported to Congress.
Investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena.
Although many UAP reports remain unsolved, AARO assesses that if additional quality data were available, most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena.
Boo!
I know.
Quite the disappointment, is exactly what they would say, isn't it?
I mean, has there ever been a government-sanctioned memo or document or release that hasn't been disappointing?
I mean, this feels like the Mueller Report, but for, you know, UFO enthusiasts.
Now that was the basic, but it did uncover some things that were kind of newsworthy.
I agree.
I want to talk about some of the more interesting findings.
So they did discover a program that was proposed to the Department of Homeland Security in the 2010s, and it was codenamed Kuna Blue.
It was designed to reverse engineer any recovered extraterrestrial craft.
So the effort was eventually rejected by DHS leaders for lacking merit, and according to the report, never actually recovered any otherworldly craft.
But this is the first time we're hearing about it.
This is apparently the first time it was even reported to Congress, which is, you know, pretty interesting.
So the exact words of the report are this.
It is critical to note that no extraterrestrial craft or bodies were ever collected.
This material was only assumed to exist by Kona Blue advocates and its anticipated contract performers.
So they, at least according to the report, they just kind of like assumed this would be useful.
So the report also noted that some people in the government were very, very, very pilled on the idea of secret, you know, recovered technology and recovered beings.
KonaBlue's advocates were convinced that the USG was hiding UAP technologies.
They believed that creating this program under DHS would allow all of the technology and knowledge of these alleged programs to be moved under the KonaBlue program.
The program would provide a security and governing structure where it could be monitored properly by congressional oversight committees.
This belief was foundational for the KonaBlue proposal.
Based on the proposal documents, and several interviewees have provided the same information to AARO and Congress.
So once again, once again, official documents reporting that, you know, look, it's the government and their, you know, secret programs.
It's just like your bridge group, OK?
Half the people are super-pilled and the other people are not.
So Coda Blue, they said, was not reported to Congress at the time because it was never established as a highly classified special access program.
So apparently the reason it was reported to Congress is that it didn't get very far.
So they claim.
The report further lays on the people insisting that this alien technology reverse engineering program exists in reality.
AARO assesses that the inaccurate claim that the USG is reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology and is hiding it from Congress is, in large part, the result of circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe this to be the case, despite the lack of any evidence.
AARO notes that although claims that the USG has recovered and hidden spacecraft date back to the 1940s and 1950s, more modern instances of these claims largely stem from a consistent group of individuals who have been involved in various UAP-related endeavors since at least 2009.
So, there's a small group of, you know, UFO disclosure nerds who are just very, very insistent that this is real and this is apparently where all of these reports are coming from, so they say.
So I read the full 45-page document.
You know, people online were saying it's 60 pages, but, you know, the last 15 pages are, you know, sources and bibliography, that sort of thing.
But, you know, one thing that I found really, really fascinating about this report is that it essentially paints a picture of these programs as sort of like an endless hall of mirrors of oversight committees.
You know, one group will be formed, you know, based on various reports.
And then a second group will be formed because they didn't like the way or,
you know, they didn't like the way that people were thinking in that first group,
or they thought that it needed oversight or, you know, they were too
pilled or not pilled enough.
And then those programs would be disbanded and then reformed with people
that were a little bit more in line with what the command, you know, sort of,
sort of wanted from employees that were on this task force, you know, whether
they were more objective or less inclined to believe that this was
extraterrestrial knowledge.
It just feels like each one of these programs is some kind of oversight committee that has been stacked on top of the one that came before it.
And each of them are kind of then going back up the pole and saying, eh, well, there's not really a ton here.
And then somebody else is going, well, they're saying there's not a ton here.
Let's bring in seven more people to see if what they're saying is actually real.
And it's gone up the chain of command so far, eventually to this point where they release this report and they go, eh, yeah, 90% of these, you know, 90% of these cases are easily explainable.
So, some things that I highlighted that I thought were interesting, and, uh, you know, you guys, I'd love to get your thoughts on this as well.
So, this report signifies the first time that Project Saucer or Project Sign has ever been admitted by the government, that we actually had a program within, you know, within the government that was called Project Saucer.
And it was, you know, the initial agency was developed in the late 40s, and it investigated one pilot's claim to have seen a fleet of flying saucers.
According to another source, after investigating 243 sightings, the group was able to find rational explanations for almost all of them.
Nevertheless, they still signed a memo that was sent up the chain of command, basically saying that UFOs were interplanetary in origin, but it was rejected by the U.S.
Air Force for lack of proof.
It's really interesting.
So they investigated, you know, hundreds of cases, basically found rational explanations for almost all of them, but then still all signed off on this document that basically said, yeah, we think these things are extra, the ones we can't explain, they're extraterrestrial, you know, in origin.
Yeah.
You know, I wonder how much of this is really just government bureaucrats sort of given the sort of like a shit job and then trying to make their work seem more important than it actually was.
Yeah, because hanging around in a deep underground base looking at, like, cool videos of potentially flying saucers with the boys is probably way more fun than being stationed in, like, Antarctica, you know, monitoring some kind of missile silo.
I wonder if these guys were like, hey, this is a really good deal.
We gotta produce results so that we can stay here working on this fun thing.
One thing I don't want to miss, because I think we missed, Travis, you wrote about the the Skinwalker Ranch connection, which I think is like a good weird thing.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we yeah, we yeah, they don't mention it by name in the report.
But they talk about how the AARO and predecessors looked into Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, which we've talked about in the show.
But this is the exact sort of paragraph where it references it.
A-A-W-S-A-P slash A-A-T-I-P also investigated an alleged hotspot of UAP and paranormal activity at a property in Utah, which at the time was owned by the head of the private sector organization, including examining reports of shadow figures and creatures and exploring remote viewing and human consciousness anomalies.
The organization also planned to hire psychics to study interdimensional phenomena believed to frequently appear at that location.
Yeah, and the head of the private sector organization was Bigelow, of Bigelow Aerospace, that billionaire.
He made his billions with like low cost hotels for workers in Las Vegas, but his real passion was to use that money to sort of investigate UFOs and then to hopefully reverse engineer that technology so he could make space habitats.
Yeah, yeah, he was trying to make space hotels.
We did a really good, thorough episode on Skinwalker Ranch.
If you haven't heard it, I highly, highly recommend.
It's one of my favorite ones that we've done.
Yeah, the most fascinating thing about Skinwalker Ranch was the idea that these billionaires kept buying the land because they hoped You know, and then started sending into, I mean, it's just like a, like a horror movie.
It starts off with this small, you know, this, this family that is hired to sort of tend to the ranch and take care of the livestock.
Weird things start happening, you know, objects go missing or they, or they end up in different places than they left him.
Uh, then livestock starts dying and becomes like really mutilated and then portals start opening up in the sky.
And then like a team of like billionaire scientists come in.
and set up all their equipment to see if they can figure out what's going on here.
I mean, it reads like any kind of, you know, sort of science fiction horror film.
And yeah, it's just fantastic.
It's fascinating to me that these billionaires were like, we gotta harvest the power of this land so we can live forever.
There was another guy who bought it who literally was trying to do that.
He was trying to figure out if Skinwalker Ranch held the key to immortal life.
Right.
Which is very interesting.
Very interesting stuff.
Yeah, now he's funding research into life after death and consciousness and huge prizes for people who submit essays, like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So going back to the report, you know, after the Project Sign team basically signed this memo and they were like, yeah, we think they're extraterrestrial and Yeah, aliens.
Basically, that project was scrap because they were like, we don't like this conclusion.
And they formed this other project called Project Grudge, which was created after the government lost confidence in Project Sign.
And so they basically reorganized a new team that they thought would be more objective and not quite so prone to believing that aliens exist.
So then what continues to happen over time is as these results from these projects come back, you know, the sort of management is kind of like, well, we need more scientists, we need more data, we need to bring in more academic institutions.
And this led to the founding of Project Twinkle and Project Bear, which I've never heard of before.
And what they did was they contracted scientists at the Battelle Memorial Institution to support the re-established Project Grudge.
And that goal, like I said, was to remain as objective as possible.
Then the CIA gets involved in 1952.
So there was the organization of what was called the CIA Special Study Group.
And this was when the head of the CIA at the time was briefed on all of the findings of these various projects, 90% of which they claimed were explainable.
But regarding the 10% of the ones that weren't, the panel recommended that the matter be investigated further, mostly because of the belief that advanced Soviet technology presented a threat to the United States.
And this led to the formation of the Robertson Panel.
So you're starting to get a sense of, as these findings are reported, you know, nobody trusts anybody.
So instead, it keeps getting run up the chain and, you know, these new panels are formed with different scientists and different people.
And it seems to me that the main driving force of all of this was Cold War fears.
was fears that the Soviets had some kind of advanced flight craft or some kind of
advanced weapon and so the you know the military essentially looked at some of
these UFO findings and went well we better keep looking into this just in
case we're missing out on advanced you know foreign nation you know military
tech. So one interesting thing about the Robertson panel is that they were
primarily concerned with the public hysteria over UFOs and how the Soviets
would exploit it or could exploit it.
So they actually suggested the government use multiple channels to debunk the claims.
And also suggested that the government manage UFO enthusiast groups.
So these are the things that are contained in the report that are, you know, not proof of extraterrestrials, but really interesting proof of how the government, you know, what they were concerned about, which was mainly enemy at the time weapons and public hysteria over the sort of burgeoning, you know, field of studying UFOs and aliens.
So I thought that was really interesting.
We then get to Project Blue Book, which a lot of people, you know, I think that's one of the more mainstream projects that people know about, right Brad?
Oh yeah, yes.
Everyone knows about Blue Book.
So within the reporting of Project Blue Book, they logged 12,000 sightings and determined that only 700 were categorized as unidentified.
But I don't know, to me that's a lot!
It is.
It actually is.
Yeah.
700 is nothing to, you know, nothing to laugh at when it comes to, okay, we can't explain this through rational matters.
We can't close the case.
You know, if there were like five or 10, you know, then you'd go, okay, well, maybe, you know, maybe if you had, and that's what AARO says.
They said if, you know, we had the proper data, more interviews, you know, more information surrounding the event, most likely we would be able to debunk it.
And so, once again, unsatisfied with the results of Project Blue Book, the O'Brien Committee was established.
This was created to ad hoc the findings of Project Blue Book, and this was the panel that Carl Sagan was on.
They basically recommended, yes, that the topic of UFOs should be investigated further by a top university.
Which then led to the Condon Report.
So Condon had been the head of a $325,000 contract with the University of Colorado.
And so this is what they did.
They paired with a university and they were like, okay, let's let some university scientists sort of pour over this data and see what they come up with.
And the panel essentially found that investigating UFO sightings as a means to further scientific advance was essentially useless.
So basically, the Condren report said, hey, you know, if you think that you're researching this stuff because you can make our fighter jets better or discover new technology, alien technology, you're essentially wasting your time.
Oh, and furthermore, if you're a teacher at a university and one of your students wants to do their study on, uh, UFOs or anything like that, don't give them credit.
Bringing us up into the 90s, something that I did not know about that was very interesting was that President Clinton asked about Area 51 and Roswell, New Mexico.
So essentially he got elected and was like, hey.
So I hear a lot about these alien bodies at Roswell.
A couple of old alien boys just rolling around in the mud.
I want to know more about it.
And his direct quote was, as far as I know, an alien spacecraft did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
If the U.S.
Air Force did recover alien bodies, they didn't tell me about it.
And I want to know.
I mean, see, this is why he had that common touch, because like anyone becomes president, the first thing they do on day one is like, hey, so now that I'm president, tell me about the aliens.
Tell me what you know.
Yeah, I have two questions.
One revolves around John F. Kennedy, and the other revolves around Roswell, New Mexico.
What do you got for me?
And so they told him, essentially, that the debris at Roswell was consistent with balloons used in a then-classified program called Project Mogul, and that the alleged alien bodies reported by some in the New Mexico desert were test dummies that were carried aloft by U.S.
Army Air Force high-altitude balloons for scientific research.
So, Brad, had you ever heard that before, that the alien bodies that were said to have been gathered up at Roswell were actually crash test dummies?
Yeah, I mean, obviously, that's just part of the cover-up.
If anyone actually finds themselves in Roswell, they should go to the wonderful Roswell Museum, which has a timeline of the events, and it's an incredible experience, and it will leave you believing.
So, Bill Clinton left unsatisfied.
And then we get into the, you know, the sort of more modern, more well-known programs like the A.A.W.S.A.P.
and the A.A.T.I.P., which were initially founded to assess threats of terrestrial origin, foreign nations, rogue meteors, that sort of thing, but naturally folded in U.A.P.s and other paranormal phenomenon.
And this is the part of the section where they talk about Skinwalker Ranch.
And the report ends with, I think, probably, at least to me, the most interesting stuff, where they actually go over classified government military projects that could be easily confused with UAPs or UFOs.
And that to me was really interesting because it was the first time, at least for me as a sort of casual, a casual enjoyer of UFO conspiracy theories and history, that I was able to sort of look at each of these fighter jets or drones or UAVs, you know, that were listed and look up pictures of them and go, Oh yeah, I mean, if I saw that thing flying, you know, 10,000 feet above me as an airline pilot, and I had no idea that these special programs even existed, I would think that that's an alien too.
And the report does this a lot.
It basically says, you know, its general conclusion is that a lot of what interviewees had seen were real.
It was real stuff, but it wasn't alien technology.
It was just highly classified government programs that they didn't have clearance to even know about.
So whether they saw it, they caught a glimpse of it themselves, or they heard from a, you know, from a secondhand source, it actually, you know, and it pains me to say this, but it actually started to make sense in my brain of how people could confuse, you know, some of these technologies with alien technology.
So it was, you know, hyper-advanced aerial technology, but it's from DARPA, not Mars.
Yes, exactly.
Stuff like the B-2 stealth bomber, a lot of spy planes, you know, stuff that we were, we were, not we, uh, the, you know, the U.S.
military was testing out for nation security purposes that they didn't want anybody to know about.
So given all of this information, you know, Brad, I know you are a UFO guy.
You are our resident, our resident UFO expert.
What kind of chatter have you been getting about the report through your comms?
Yeah, so over the last week, I've really been wading through the muck of the reactions from the UAP community.
And it's fury mixed with disbelief and dejection.
It's sort of like finding out your partner or best friend has betrayed you in the worst way possible.
And these key players that I've been following, they all have pretty reputable backgrounds, you know?
Like, they've done good work in the past with accolades in their field, but they've just gotten too deep and invested too much into the discourse.
And I think they all started earnestly, but they've either taken this on as a sort of religion, or they're influenced by the fact that it's now their financial livelihood.
And so, the narrative being truthful is tied up with their survival, or at least keeping up the lifestyle that they're accustomed to now.
The most even-handed criticism is that the report is not nearly as comprehensive as it should have been, and that they cherry-picked certain sightings that they knew they had an explanation for.
And because of this bias, the report dismisses the possibility of any truly unexplained phenomenon by just focusing on these cases.
On the less even-handed end, though, there are accusations that the report is blatantly lying or that there's a conspiratorial cover-up going on.
So, first up in this gallery of the Disclosure superstars is Luis Elizondo, who I think everyone knows is one of the most influential figures on the scene ever since those first New York Times articles in 2017.
So for those who don't know, he's a former counterintelligence officer for the Department
of Defense, which is confirmed.
And he also claims to have directed AATIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification
Program, that was investigating the UFO and UAP settings.
He definitely did work at AATIP, but his claim about being the lead is questionable.
That's never been confirmed or verified.
And more recently, he's also been in bed with Blink-182's Tom DeLonge and Tom's To
the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences.
And so to paraphrase his reaction, I told the Pentagon leadership and former AARO leadership
accountable for this obvious attempt to diminish and embarrass whistleblowers to undermine
the truth and ignore the evidence.
Their goal is clearly to minimize congressional and public scrutiny and to cover up the truth.
Many of us who have worked the UAP topic for the government are aware of the ample classified evidence that has been provided to AARO and contradicts this report.
Senior members of Congress have also had access to this evidence.
Myself and others who are aware of the truth are going to keep working to help Congress in their efforts to achieve disclosure.
So the fight is not over.
Yeah, well, and the thing is, there's reason for people to be upset.
It's just that they're kind of more boring.
than you would hope.
Like, for example, you know, one aspect of the report that I found pretty shocking, well, maybe not so shocking nowadays, but the U.S.
government essentially said, hey, you know, you should let some of this stuff kind of trickle out.
We should hold debates with celebrities and UFO enthusiasts, because let's see what the public does when they believe in this kind of stuff, or if real disclosure was to come.
So, even though they were kind of, you know, turning up their noses at the evidence that these special projects were turning in, nevertheless, they kind of said, well, let's see what people would do if it were real.
And that kind of, I don't know, that sort of lack of confidence from the government that people could embrace, you know, the existence of an otherworldly species, you know, calmly, collectively, I don't know.
It just, it feels a little bit icky.
So, next up is Gary Nolan.
Gary's a highly respected immunologist at Stanford and works in biotech.
He uses his scientific background to bring some credibility to the field, and he was actually the one to disprove the authenticity of Stephen Greer's Atacama alien skeleton, pictured below.
You know, that famous fetus-like aberration.
But his work has also convinced him that we've been visited by extraterrestrials.
Also, he and Grush know each other well.
Here's a clip on his thoughts on the report.
This report is so over-the-top bad.
That everybody knows what it is that it was meant to do.
You know, the jig is up.
Congress knows what you're up to.
Yeah.
Congress actually has the reports.
The ICIG has the reports and everybody knows that the people who know things didn't go to Arrow because they didn't trust them in the first place.
I mean, yes, they'll have a blip in the newspapers for the next week or so, and I'll hear about it from an occasional colleague here or there.
But if anything, it just strengthens everybody's resolve to get to the truth.
And again, I don't know what the truth is.
I mean, the truth will come through the application of appropriate science.
And, you know, chin up, move forward.
That's right.
Chin up, guys.
So that show is hosted by a guy named Matt Ford and I went to his, you know, YouTube channel while I was doing research as well because I came across some of these videos too, Brad, and I was sort of expecting it to be, you know, some aliens and then, you know, mostly right wing talking points.
But the guy is a bleeding heart liberal.
I mean, he has, you know, a ton of content that is disparaging of the Republican Party, Donald Trump making fun of Trump.
And you know, it looks kind of like one of those Newsmax or Rumble sort of shit.
It has that energy.
And so I was, you know, expecting it to lean right wing, but it does not at all, at all.
It's the exact opposite.
So our first UAP journalist to weigh in is George Knapp.
He's an award-winning investigative journalist working with CBS's Las Vegas affiliate, with his Area 51 reporting garnering him Emmys and Peabody's.
But he's also known for bringing figures with questionable claims into the limelight, like Bob Lazar.
Here he is with Disclosure filmmaker Jeremy Corbell.
We all knew pretty much what it was going to be, but I guess I'm surprised how gleeful it was.
Patting themselves on the back in this report, the related press releases that were released by the Pentagon and Arrow, it describes in excruciating detail how hard they worked, all the steps they took, digging and searching high and low in every attic, down in the basement, under the couch cushions, to reach these conclusions that they reach.
And boy, oh boy, did they work hard at this.
And yet, you know, this final product, It looks like a paper that Bart Simpson wrote the night before it was due, you know?
So much of it was bad.
Arrow's former director, Sean Kirkpatrick, has said that, you know, science isn't made on blogs.
And then in this report, among the few citations they give is a UFO blogger and a podcast.
What the hell?
You know, I think this is cherry-picked content that supported the conclusion that they had when they started down this road.
Oh, that seems like a little disingenuous.
It feels like if they're conducting a genuine comprehensive survey of claims made about UAPs, it would include blogs called, you know, truthisoutthere.disclosure.blogspot.com.
And hopefully the next volume two will include QAA.
That would be so cool.
Another award-winning and lauded journalist, Ross Quilthart from Australia, has similarly gone too deep down the UFO rabbit hole.
He was recently on NewsNation saying this on the report.
Well, firstly, I don't think anybody's surprised that the Pentagon is making a pronouncement like this.
I'm talking to multiple people tonight, people inside the legacy retrieval program, reverse engineering program, that is being secretly operated by people within the U.S.
government and private aerospace, who hoot with laughter at this feeble attempt by the Pentagon to try and stop the issue being discussed any further.
And I can reveal here tonight that I've found out some of the members of a special secret advisory committee that Dr Kirkpatrick used to advise him in the preparation of that report.
I have their names.
I have their roles.
I know who they are.
They are the gatekeepers, believe it or not, to this legacy program.
They were quite literally pulling the strings on this Arrow report.
And people are so angry, so bitterly angry with this feeble attempt at a cover-up, that they are now leaking more assiduously to people like me.
And more importantly, whistleblowers are becoming more compelled to come forward and give evidence about what they know.
And Ross, who says he has all these sources, has never named any and has never been able to back up these claims.
Well, and I'll get later on, I have a video that seems to have spawned the idea that there is a deep state within the AARO.
Nice.
And it comes from a seminar where Sean Kirkpatrick was answering audience questions, so we'll get to that.
There are even a few Republican congressmen who have joined the chorus of the betrayed.
Here's the aforementioned Rep.
Tim Burchett from Knoxville, Tennessee, when asked about the report.
Yeah, they're lying.
Look, since 1947, they've told us these things don't exist, and yet they spend tens of millions of dollars on these things, on studying something, yet they won't release the reports.
They're redacted.
They look like somebody shot them with a 12-gauge shotgun.
I like that he's framed by rifles on either side of him.
Yeah, he's framed!
Yeah, it's shot like a 12-gauge shotgun, like the two of them mounted behind me while I give this interview.
Yeah.
It's also interesting that all the congressmen and senators who are kind of speaking out about the reports are Republican.
I don't know any Democratic members of government who are doing the same, and I'm curious why.
Well, us Democrats, you know, we just eat the slop, you know?
Hey, if it's got a government stamp on it, it's real, it's true.
Unless it's from somebody in the government that we don't like.
And then it's not true, it's Russian intelligence.
So lastly, this is my absolute favorite take, and it's by the legendary spoon-bending Cold War psychic spy and supposed former Mossad agent Yuri Geller.
So to paraphrase his tweet, I am absolutely quivering and fuming with anger.
Why?
Because the American government's AARO is way off target.
Their latest official report on UFOs, fired off by their supposedly, don't make me laugh, unbiased, totally above board and truth-seeking AARO, has just been published, and believe me, it certainly hasn't hit the bullseye when it comes to getting close to the truth.
Instead, all it has delivered is a massive pile of hot, steaming bullshit.
The whole thing is total BS.
It's the most obvious cover-up since the Soviet government tried to pretend nothing had gone wrong at Chernobyl.
In fact, I would say it ranks alongside the Watergate scandal or the time President Bill Clinton told the whole world he didn't have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.
The report claims that there is no evidence that the U.S.
government had encountered alien life and that a mass of historical UFO sightings were actually, probably, all caused by the testing of advanced U.S.
spy planes and space technology.
What a load of ridiculous B.S.!
Every conclusion outlined in this report is pure, organic, and unadulterated bullcrap!
The whole thing is utter codswallop.
How do I know that?
Because Wernher von Braun showed me just some of what they had, and that was in the early 70s.
It is a blatant attempt to bury the recent revelations and progress that has been made by all the brave whistleblowers and eyewitnesses who have come forward to tell the truth.
Yeah, I was dying reading that.
So, and to prove his point, he attached a video of an alien that's very obviously a 3D animation.
God damn it.
Undermining his point.
So oddly, you know, the stuff that he is kind of most angry about, which is, you know, the report listing the secret projects and spy planes that are being used to explain these UFO sightings, is the part of the report that I found the most interesting.
And maybe it's because I'm kind of a casual, but it was the first time I'd ever seen direct links to, hey, here's this secret project that we were working on.
And this is, you know, what we think people mistook it for.
And so I'm just going to list a couple just for the audience, because I found this really interesting.
And it's one of the first times that an additional explanation that kind of made sense to me was offered.
So the first thing they talk about is the Manhattan Project in 1942.
And that's interesting because this was during a time where the government was actually building These sort of secret cities, you know, within military bases because they were working on the bomb.
But it was, you know, you hear, hey, there's a secret city in Los Alamos, two miles underground and all of this stuff.
You know, it's gonna get, you know, it's gonna get people talking.
So there was that, there was the V-173, or the XF-5U-1, which is the flying pancake.
In 1942, if you go look this thing up, it looks exactly like a flying saucer.
I mean, if that thing was going by you, you know, 5,000 feet away, easily mistakable for some kind of flying saucer.
There was Project Mogul from 1947 to 1949.
These were advanced sort of aerial balloons that were used for surveillance.
There was Project High Dive.
There was Project Dragon Lady in 1954, which was authorized by President Eisenhower, which Which is basically a, you know, it's one of those massive spy planes with a huge dome on top, you know, for radar, which is really cool.
There was Project Corona in late 1956.
There was the Avrocar or Project Silverbug.
This was technology that we bought from a company that was originally trying to develop flying saucers for Canada.
So apparently this thing was able to float like two feet or three feet off the ground, but that was about all that it could do.
It's because it would, like, after a few minutes, apparently it would just start melting.
It was so hot.
So Canada basically, you know, was like, all right, we don't need this thing.
And the company that developed it went to the United States said, hey, do you guys want to give this a shot?
And, you know, if you Google Project Silverbug and you look at what this thing looks like, it is a flying saucer.
Through and through.
Now, if you're a guy that's peeking through the, you know, kind of plastic blinds, you know, that you see in movies all the time, you have to spread these sort of vinyl-looking blinds to peer into the sort of secret workspace, and you saw this thing hovering about two feet off the ground and then melting, you of course would think it's some kind of alien technology, especially with the popular culture influence and the discussions around UFOs and aliens that were so popular at the time.
Yeah, the Apollo projects, the Explorer 1 in 1958, I mean, all of these, you know, technologies that we were developing for our own advancement, you know, if you did not know about it and you caught a glimpse of it or talked to somebody who had seen a glimpse of it, it's really easy to understand how the sort of game of telephone would lead you to start telling, you know, your family and friends that, hey, you know, we've got like three flying saucers at this place.
Other planes include the Advanced Technology Bomber or the B-2 Spirit from 1980s.
Then, of course, all of the drones.
The Predator, the Reaper, Dark Star.
All of these drone projects are listed as potential explanations for technology that interviewees had believed that they saw.
So I don't know about you guys, but I thought that that was really interesting to actually have tangible evidence of projects that have now since been declassified, but at the time would have seemed like something, you know, out of this world.
Yeah, and we're always only learning about them like 30 to 50 years later.
Right.
So that brings me to the final section of the episode.
You know, Brad sort of led us through what UFOlogists and what elected government officials are saying about the report, but I wanted to hear it from the people.
You know, what are your general sort of UFO enthusiasts or conspiracy theorists, what are they saying about the report?
Because, in some ways, it, you know, validates a lot of their sort of general paranoia, which is that, well, the government is, you know, putting out misinformation to see how the public reacts to it.
The government was constantly deciding that this field needed more research, more technology, you know, more academia thrown at it, you know, over time.
So, Yeah, I was curious what they thought, and so in an effort to track the conspiracy theorist's reaction to AARO, I first headed over to my old faithful Our Conspiracy.
Surely a mainstream conspiracy forum with over 2 million subscribers would be picking the report apart.
But much to my disappointment, there were only a handful of posts about the report with very little engagement.
The majority of posts since the Pentagon report dropped have been mostly about Kate Middleton and the Boeing whistleblower, which, well, that one's kind of understandable.
Yeah, sure.
I hadn't been on Our Conspiracy in a while, and I was a little surprised that more people weren't eager to discuss the report, which for the first time, I believe, acknowledges government-led UFO programs like Project Sign or the consideration of something like Kona Blue, which we discussed.
The report also admits that oftentimes it was the military's own highly classified programs that were mistaken for alien technology.
And, you know, that's a pretty interesting story in and of itself.
But alas, most of the posts were comparison photos of Kate Middleton.
Because a potentially missing member of the royal family is way more interesting than the Pentagon admitting that they encouraged UFO conspiracies to see how the public might react to, quote, real disclosure.
As always, the real conspiracy is far less interesting than the one not yet proven.
But over in the forum RUFOs, which also boasts over 2 million subscribers, the energy was much better, and the majority of recent posts were discussing the document at length.
Now, while some users believed that the report was pretty fair and thorough, others maintained it was published with the intention of convincing Congress to defund programs centered around UAPs.
Users linked to a Twitter thread written by Marek von Rennenkamp, who is a formal federal government employee and an opinion writer for The Hill.
Merritt called into question why the report had omitted certain documents, like the Twinning Memo, which was written in 1947, and demonstrates that at the time of its submission, the Air Material Command believed that UFOs, quote, were something real and not visionary or fictitious.
Other users defended the document, reading in between the lines regarding the use of the word extraterrestrials.
One user posted, "The report stated they found no evidence of extraterrestrials.
They used that word for a reason. They may very well be extra-dimensional,
extra-temporal, or something else I can't even fathom."
The term they didn't use but should have is non-human intelligence, or NHI.
Also, we can't have the corrupt Pentagon auditing their own secrets.
That's like the old adage of the fox watching the henhouse.
To which, to a certain degree, I agree with.
Sure.
Yeah.
Another guy suggests that the documents and videos are no longer enough, and that a real journalist needs to bite the bullet and sacrifice themselves so that true disclosure can be achieved.
Wait, what does that mean?
Like, uh, kill themselves?
Okay, and I quote, We are past the phase of documents and videos.
It's time for irrefutable evidence to be presented and shared with the world.
All those reporters have lived quite a long and privileged lives.
What's the max can happen to them?
Jail?
Death?
Anyway, they have lived 75 to 80% of their lives.
They can take the risk.
The risk of what, though?
I think they're suggesting that if presenting the real evidence and proving to the world that this is true is going to get you thrown in jail, or worse, executed, you've lived good lives.
Somebody needs to sort of buck up.
Yeah, but why would journalists know the real truth?
That just doesn't make sense.
Yeah, you know, this is the problem with the whole, I guess, disclosure community.
They fetishize this idea as like, there's gotta be a file somewhere.
There's gotta be one person who knows everything.
There's gotta be somebody who knows it.
And it's just a matter of exposing it to the world.
And once the thing is exposed to the world, it'll be out forever.
And then the world will get better immediately.
It's, um, I don't know.
It's a very bizarre understanding of how, I guess, information works, or even how social change works.
So I headed over to TikTok to see if the youth was saying anything about the historic report, and honestly, there wasn't a ton of content surrounding it.
There were a handful of videos from people eager to dismiss the report due to it being published by the Pentagon, but other than that, not a lot.
They went on to claim that based on statements given by former director Sean Kirkpatrick during a Hayden Center for Intelligence livestream, they believe there is a deep state within the AARO which seeks to keep its true findings hidden from Congress.
So Brad, this is what the guy in your clip was discussing.
So I actually looked into this and as far as I can tell, it derives from a small section of the stream where Kirkpatrick was asked to reveal information about his team and he refused.
Uh, so here's that clip.
Uh, has to do with, um, a senior technical advisory group that must, you must have stood up that is helping advise the work you do.
Uh, so they're just questions about that group.
What, what is it made up of?
Are these people from outside government?
Is this that academic and scientific community you just referenced?
So it's a strategic technical advisory group.
They don't like to be called senior.
And they actually do work.
They're the review board for, there's an, there's a, the analytic framework consists of multiple layers of review.
And they're one of the layers of review.
We don't give out names and identities of anybody associated with this office other than me and a handful of very specific people because of the fact that the harassment and the threats that are attendant to our ability to do this job.
And I know we had the same problem with the NASA panel.
I'm not going to subject my team to that.
I have some of the best professionals on the face of the planet working some of this, but I'm not going to subject them or their families to that kind of harassment.
That is making our job a lot harder.
I've had people try to dig up information on my wife, my child, where I live.
Yeah, I mean, that does sound like a shitty part of the job.
Um, just that's not called for.
And what is the claim is the claim that you're, you're evil because you
haven't said what they want you to say about the sources of these anomalous.
So I think that's a, that's a great way of saying that.
Yeah.
I mean, that does sound like a shitty part of the job.
So you're in charge of this, uh, you know, investigative group, but by the
way, lunatics are going to come after you and your family, everyone you
love is going to get gamer gated.
So just be prepared for that.
As soon as the guy starts to ask the question, you can see Kirkpatrick being like, oh, fuck, here we go again.
He just shrinks.
Yeah.
So basically, because of his answer and because he refused to name anybody specific on the program, The conspiracists who are following this, you know, believe, oh, well, there is the good oversight, which is Congress.
They have the best interests of the American people.
They want this kind of stuff exposed.
But this secret advisory board within AARO, they don't want the truth to get out.
It's, you know, it's a lot of hoops because the whole organization was made to, you know, provide transparency through Congress to the American people about, you know, their findings of these cases.
And so I guess maybe they would want to keep it all for themselves, you know, especially if they worked out some kind of deal with the Intergalactic Command and they were like, hey, as long as you don't tell anybody about this, you can ride with us on the spaceship to Utopia.
And he's like, but my whole job is to tell people about what we found.
So, in regards to the report itself, I was pretty surprised to discover that the most watched video about the topic was the aspect of the report that I myself found most interesting.
That many of the alleged encounters with alien technology were actually just highly advanced secret government projects.
It's like if I traveled back in time to an 11-year-old Jake Rokitansky and showed him the lightsaber I got at Disneyland.
You know, I would have thought, oh my god, like, lightsabers are real.
We've invented the technology.
Or we, you know, somebody from the Star Wars universe came down and gave it to us.
Wait, when did you get this lightsaber?
Oh, I got it a couple years ago.
I actually have two lightsabers.
I have Ray's reconstructed lightsaber from The Force Awakens, and then I have Mace Windu's purple lightsaber, which is awesome.
So the TikTok poster in question is a guy named Alex Hollings, and his channel appears to mostly center around military technology, specifically fighter jets.
So it makes sense why he would find this aspect of the report to be so interesting.
This video that he posted about the AARO report has received close to half a million plays on TikTok.
So just a few hours ago, Arrow, or the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, released their report into the history of the U.S.
government's involvement in investigating UAP, or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, something us old-timers used to call UFOs, or Unidentified Flying Objects.
The report is 63 pages long, and it's fairly dry, but it's still quite interesting.
If you're hoping for evidence of aliens, you won't find it in here.
But there are nonetheless, if you ask me, a few bombshells.
For instance, when talking about the testimony of recent whistleblowers and eyewitness statements, Arrow repeatedly says that these people saw real things that, rather than being alien technology, were instead entirely terrestrial, In one portion of the report, talking about one eyewitness claim, they say an interviewee claimed that he witnessed what he believed to be the testing of extraterrestrial technology at a U.S.
I'll read you their exact language.
In one portion of the report, talking about one eyewitness claim,
they say an interviewee claim that he witnessed what he believed to be the testing
of extraterrestrial technology at a US government facility almost certainly was an observation
of an authentic non-UAP related technology test that strongly correlated in time, location, and description
provided in the interviewee's account.
In another portion of the report where they're summarizing multiple eyewitnesses and whistleblowers, Arrow writes, Arrow assesses that all of the named and described alleged hidden UAP reverse engineering programs provided by interviewees either don't exist or are misidentified authentic highly sensitive national security programs that are not related to extraterrestrial technology exploitation.
In other words, technology that's so advanced that these Defense Department insiders thought
was alien, but was instead actually a classified Defense Department program.
There's another portion of the report that reads, "The interviewees and others who have
mistakenly associated authentic, sensitive national security programs with UAP had incomplete
or unauthorized access to these programs."
So yeah, I mean, for once, the legitimately interesting part of the report, I think, is
the most popular aspect of it, at least on TikTok, at least from what I could find.
So yeah, I mean, this guy's got, you know, posters of like, you know, F-18 Hornets, you know, hung up in his bedroom.
So, you know, it makes sense why this is really interesting for military tech enthusiasts and not so interesting for UFO enthusiasts.
In some ways, it's the UAP disclosure people who are participating in the cover up because they're sort of flooding the zone with shit and making lots of extraordinary claims that aren't in evidence.
And it's distracting from more interesting questions about what kind of advanced technology the federal government has access to and has developed.
Sure.
Yes!
And, you know, if they're comfortable in saying, hey, let's spread around some of these UFO conspiracies because we want to see what people will do, what else are they doing that with?
You know, if they're comfortable releasing, you know, disinformation just to gauge the public's reaction, I mean, I would imagine that UFOs is not the only thing they're doing it about.
So, yeah, there are, I think, potentially real conspiracies that are, you know, hinted at
within this report, you know, and it's not the ones that we want, right? You know, you're
hoping that they're going to come out and say, "Yes, we've been in contact with Odon 246 from
the, you know, the Galaplexies system and..."
Or the Umites.
Yeah, or the Umites, or anybody.
But it's not that.
But that still doesn't mean that it's not interesting.
And furthermore, the idea that millions and millions of dollars went to these special access programs primarily because the U.S.
military was worried about Soviet technology.
You know, I think that this report strengthens this idea that military paranoia often leads to, you know, kind of going down avenues that, you know, might seem unrealistic or weird, solely in an effort to make sure that all your bases are covered, you know, military-wise.
I think that's a very interesting part of the report.
I think still we can't gloss over that.
We can't necessarily trust, just like that one poster said, you know, the Pentagon to investigate the Pentagon and that they could still be covering things up and not being truthful about it.
And if that's the case, it just makes me sad because it makes me think we'll never really know the truth about extraterrestrial life in our lifetime because of gatekeeping and secrecy.
Well, here's my thing.
I was like, I don't like fetishizing this idea that the only way we would ever know if there's extraterrestrials, if the federal government tells us about it, you know, it's like there's this, there's, I like this idea of like, well, they're so important and their intelligence capacity is so, you know, overwhelming.
It's better than anything else mere mortals could ever have access to.
We are at their mercy.
The only way we'd ever discover if this incredible history-changing thing is ever revealed to us is if the federal government decides to reveal it to us.
I don't like that idea.
Travis, it's because they're shooting the UFOs down.
I see.
Yeah, I'm looking down at my phone, I'm looking at the 4K resolution camera on the back, I'm going, damn you!
Damn you, phone!
It's too high res.
You're too high res!
But I will say that I did see a UFO in my backyard, or what I thought was a UFO.
I remember, you told this story, right?
Yeah, this was a while back, maybe like a year and a half ago.
And I tried to capture it on video and boy, that was difficult because it was so far away and the zoom, you know, sort of makes the image look really poor quality.
So I sort of in that moment understood why these things might be so hard to catch on camera.
And, you know, I think it is worth mentioning as we end this episode that the AARO report does specifically say that about 10% of these sightings are unexplainable and unsolved.
And given the amount of material that is, you know, shoveled into this entity to process and investigate, I would imagine that 10% probably amounts to a fairly impressive number.
Sure.
And I think that that's worth keeping in mind, you know, as we go forward.
Yeah, keep the hope alive.
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It's not a conspiracy.
It's fact.
And now, today's AutoCue.
At the heart of Lazar's extraordinary claims are his alleged encounters with nine different extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Each with its own unique design and capabilities.
Among these, the sport model stands out.
A disc-shaped craft that seems to leap from the pages of a 1950s sci-fi magazine.
There were three seats, they sat around, the reactor was in the dead center of it, and then equidistant around there were three seats.
And that's all.
He describes being part of a team tasked with reverse engineering the propulsion systems of these crafts, systems that defied all known laws of physics.
Look, everyone doesn't necessarily start at a steam engine, and go to an internal combustion engine, and then, you know, electric power, nuclear power, and go up the ladder that we come in.
Central to these propulsion systems, Lazar claims, was element 115, a substance not even recognized by science at the time of his disclosures, but later added to the periodic table as Moscovium.
This element, according to Lazar, was the key to unlocking anti-gravity propulsion, allowing these crafts to perform maneuvers that would be impossible for any human-made machine.
Lazar provides vivid descriptions of the craft's interiors, specifically the sport model, which was equipped with a central reactor and three gravity amplifiers.
These components, he says, could manipulate gravitational waves, allowing the craft to bend space-time and travel at unimaginable speeds.
It's a concept that, if true, would revolutionize our understanding of travel and propulsion.
In 1989, Lazar decided to bring his story to the public, sharing his experiences in interviews that would ignite a firestorm of debate and speculation.
His claims were met with skepticism, as many questioned the veracity of his education, employment background, and the feasibility of the technologies he described.
In 1989, Bob Lazar did something that would forever change the landscape of ufology, and how the world views the secretive military base known as Area 51.
What would you, how would you describe it?
I guess within the Area 51 compound, you can call that a subset of Area 51.
With a mixture of concern and a sense of duty, Lazar stepped into the spotlight on Las Vegas television, guided by investigative reporter George Knapp.
He wasn't seeking fame.
Instead, he was driven by a belief that the public had the right to know about the advanced technology he claimed was being concealed by the government.
His revelations opened a Pandora's box, challenging us to question the boundaries of our knowledge and what mysteries the government might be keeping from us.
However, Lazar's extraordinary tales were met with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Critics were quick to point out the inconsistencies in his narrative, the apparent absence of evidence to back his claims, and the puzzling gaps in his academic and professional history.
These controversies have swirled around Lazar, casting shadows of doubt on his credibility.
