Episode 186: Portrait of a Q-Pilled January 6th Poster Boy
Q-Pilled Iowan Doug Jensen speaks to the FBI. He is a January 6th capitol rioter who was seen in a viral video wearing a QAnon t-shirt and chasing a capitol police officer up several flights of stairs. He has since experienced a roller coaster of legal developments due to his inability to stay away from the internet. But thanks to recently released court documents, we now have a more full picture of Jensen’s motivations and activities that day. They included a lengthy interview he conducted with the FBI just two days after the riot, on January 8th. It's an astonishing look at how QAnon seemingly spurred Doug Jensen into action.
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Welcome, listener, to Chapter 186 of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Portrait of a Pilled Capital Rioter episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Julian Field, and Travis View.
This week we're exploring the story and testimony of Doug Jensen, a January 6th Capitol rioter who was seen in a viral video wearing a QAnon t-shirt and chasing a Capitol officer up several flights of stairs.
He has since experienced a rollercoaster of legal developments due to his inability to stay away from the internet.
But thanks to recently released court documents, we now have a more full picture of Jensen's motivations and activities that day.
That's because the documents included a lengthy interview he conducted with the FBI just two days after the riot on January 8th.
The conversation is an astonishing look at how QAnon seemingly spurred this man into action.
Also, I have to admit, it basically reads like a dark comedy, which just leads me to believe that the Matrix is writing QA scripts for us at this point.
So before we jump into the interview proper, let's explore Jensen's rise to infamy.
Wait, you're not gonna let, um, I thought we were gonna do the thing with Travis about his show?
Oh, the side project thing?
I don't know.
It just doesn't seem important enough.
It's just like a Travis thing, you know?
You don't want to, I mean, he's put a lot of work into it.
Okay.
All right.
Fine.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Travis, get on your soapbox, I guess.
Yeah.
Tell him about the new show.
So yes, for Patreon supporters of QAnon Anonymous, I've kicked off a new show about basically what I call like high authority misinformation, which is like, you know, Bad ideas that come from people in lab coats and suits and other kinds of things.
It's kind of like an anti don't don't look up, you know, don't look up.
I think it has a good it's a good parable.
It's a good lesson about climate change that sometimes it's important to listen to the experts and the people who are research these sorts of things deeply because otherwise might be disastrous.
But my show trickle down is about the opposite.
What happens when the people who should know what they're talking about absolutely don't and nobody should be listening to them?
So yeah, we're going to do the first two episodes about this really disastrous study called the Kalakak family, which fueled the eugenics movement.
And we'll be talking about a lot of other kind of really horrible things in history moving forward.
So it's fun.
I enjoy it.
Man, that sounds better.
Even though it is a Travis thing, I just, like, I hadn't looked into it too much, but now it sounds kind of cool, actually.
Yeah, I'm so sick.
Week in, week out.
You know, looking at the stuff that we normally cover, how, you know, shit that bubbles up from the depths of the internet slowly works its way up the levels of power, I'm much more interested in hearing how that process runs, uh, reversed.
Yeah, where you stare up at the ceiling and Yes.
[outro]
Love your skills as a pitchman, Julian.
No problem, man.
Any day!
Doug Jensen is a 42-year-old man from Des Moines, Iowa.
He attained national infamy for being the second least conspicuous person to break into the U.S.
Capitol on January 6, 2021.
Ahead of him, of course, the Q Shaman, Jake Angeli.
Jensen positioned himself at the front of the crowd wearing a t-shirt sporting a giant American flag cue at its center, with a bald eagle and two QAnon slogans thrown in for good measure.
Trust the plan, and where we go one, we go all.
That day, an unidentified insurrectionist posted a viral video to social media showing Jensen, backed by a crowd, Chasing a Capitol officer by the name of Eugene Goodman up several flights of stairs near the Senate chamber.
One participant can be heard exclaiming, In another video of the event, you can see Officer Goodman attempting to halt the crowd by lightly shoving Jensen back and retreating repeatedly, eventually leading the crowd down a hallway away from the Senate chamber.
He's then joined by other Capitol police officers, still outnumbered by the crowd.
It doesn't appear that this specific altercation, thank God, led to any bodily harm.
Later testimony by FBI Special Agent Tyler Johnson fleshed out a few more details of what else Doug Jensen did while inside the Capitol.
The Des Moines Register explained.
According to charging documents, Jensen stated that he intentionally positioned himself to be among the first people inside the United States Capitol because he was wearing his Q t-shirt, and he wanted to have his t-shirt seen on video so that Q could get the credit.
At one point, Jensen reportedly took a police officer's hat and put it on his head to take a selfie, only for his phone to die.
Jensen believed that they powered it down, according to Johnson, apparently believing the U.S.
government had disabled his phone to prevent him from taking the photo.
It's not clear when Doug Jensen left the Capitol building, but recently released court documents indicate he later claimed to have gone to bed around 5 or 6 p.m.
that night.
He slept for around 12 hours before getting into his car at 7.30 a.m.
on January 7th and driving from Washington, D.C.
back to Des Moines, Iowa.
During his drive, multiple friends and family members texted him that they were seeing his face in the news.
One message read, Another said, A third message said, Overwhelmed by the deluge of messages, Doug Jensen deleted all the apps on his phone and powered it down.
According to the FBI, when he got home, his wife told him to turn himself in.
As soon as he arrived back in Des Moines, he went to see his wife.
She was scared because of all the news coverage Jensen was receiving,
and she told him to go take care of the problem.
The next day, on January 8th, Jensen allegedly walked six miles to the Des Moines Police
Department to turn himself in, explaining that his car had broken down.
He told them, quote, I think I'm probably wanted.
The cops didn't arrest him.
They just told Doug to hang out for a bit while they called the FBI, who had a Des Moines office just 20 minutes away.
Jensen was placed in an unlocked interrogation room and waited patiently for the agents, who couldn't believe their luck when they showed up.
According to a later filing by his prosecution, this is what FBI agent Tyler Johnson told him, Definitely.
You know, first and foremost, we want you to understand this is a voluntary interview, okay?
We just, again, we appreciate you coming in.
It definitely seems to us that you want to come to talk to somebody in law enforcement, so we're excited to hear what you have to say, okay?
It's just incredible.
This is great.
So, any judge who may be reviewing this conversation, this is a voluntary interview with law enforcement that you are engaging with, right, Doug?
Hey, we're just excited to be here, okay?
We just love it.
You seem like you've got a lot to say, you've got a lot on your mind, heavy heart, heavy conscience.
We're here for it.
Doug, we're big fans.
Can you just play the hits for us?
Jensen agreed to the interview despite not having been read his Miranda rights, not being restrained, and not being under arrest.
So, big mistake.
They informed him that it would be recorded.
The FBI agent spoke to Doug Jensen for an hour and a half.
At around 10.30am, They asked Jensen whether he would like to go out for a smoke.
He said yes.
He had even brought his own pack.
After this break, during which Jensen was apparently unrestrained, they walked back into the police station, asked Doug if he needed to use the bathroom, which he didn't, and resumed interviewing him for about an hour.
During this chat, Doug allegedly, quote, said that he suffered chronic pain as a result of an injury for which he took muscle relaxers, anti-inflammatories, and hydrocodone.
Which is an opiate.
So he was a daily opiate user.
Chalk another one up.
At one point Jensen even asked the FBI whether he should continue researching QAnon.
Here's from the court documents.
I'm not going to go anywhere, you guys.
You know what I mean?
I mean, if you want to talk to me again, I will come back.
So, do I go home and look at that stuff, or should I quit and take a break?
Agent James told Jensen he was a grown man and free to make his own decisions, but suggested that more of this reading might lead to more stress and anxiety.
Jensen agreed, saying, I think I'm just going to let it go for a while, and I'm just going to pray.
Asking the FBI whether you should go and read more QAnon memes is unbelievable.
That is a level of... He's basically trying to suss out if it's real.
Is it real, guys?
Should I go back and keep doing this?
Yeah, so am I on the right track?
Are we gonna overthrow the election?
Or should I delete my history?
Right.
I want you to finish this sentence for me.
My fellow Americans, the storm is... Incredible.
Where we go one...
We go...
One...
*laughter* *laughter*
*laughter* *laughter*
Oh god...
Oh, this cursed world.
Yeah, this is terrible.
Oh, we've been left the dregs.
The rapture has already happened, and we're just left duking it out, duking it out with the other scorned, you know.
Well, the rapture happened, but for good content, and what we're left with is this podcast.
Left behind.
Yeah, the good content, the good content, well, it disappeared around 2004.
Went to heaven, actually.
All the good content is up in the clouds with Jesus.
Finally, after more than four hours of interviewing Jensen and letting him smoke, an FBI agent walked out of the police station with Doug and drove him home, where they collected his cell phone, which he had agreed to turn over in writing.
On that same day, at around 8 p.m., the same FBI agents showed up to Doug Jensen's home to arrest him.
He was indicted on six federal crimes.
Knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority.
Disrupting the orderly conduct of government business.
Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building Obstructing a Law Enforcement Officer during a Civil Disorder Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees.
Since his arrest, Doug Jensen has been through some legal battles.
In July of 2021, his lawyer successfully argued to get Jensen released into home incarceration, explaining that his client had come, quote, full circle and understood that by following QAnon, he had, quote, bought into a pack of lies.
The agreement with the judge was conditional on Jensen staying totally offline.
No internet use whatsoever.
No smartphones.
But when a pre-trial officer came over for an initial home check-in, Jensen was found on a contraband phone watching conspiracy theory content.
The prosecution filed a motion to have Jensen return to jail.
Here's what it said in part.
A mere 30 days after his release from the D.C.
jail, defendant Douglas Jensen was found alone, in his garage, using a Wi-Fi connected iPhone to stream news from Rumble.
When confronted about this obvious violation of his release conditions, defendant provided his pretrial services officer With one excuse after another.
First, he claimed that the phone belonged to his daughter.
Jensen's daughter, however, later told pretrial services that she had gotten a new phone almost three weeks ago.
Then, Jensen claimed that his wife, the same individual who swore under oath to notify the court immediately if Jensen violates a condition of release, facilitated his violation by leaving the news on for him when she left for work in the morning.
Finally, Jensen claimed not to know the password to the iPhone, only to later enter the password
for his pretrial services officer.
Jensen eventually admitted to his pretrial services officer that in the previous week
he had spent two days watching Mike Lindell's cyber symposium regarding the recount of the
presidential election.
The prosecutors further argued that Doug Jensen had faked his disavowal of QAnon to get released
into home incarceration.
Jensen's lawyer didn't attempt to deny that his client had broken the rules, instead asking for leniency by comparing his actions to a drug addict's.
If a drug abuser relapses, there is typically a sanction protocol in place to help the person deal with his or her substance abuse issues.
Mr. Jensen requests that his honorable court treat his violation in a similar manner.
Jensen's lawyer also noted that monitoring people's media consumption was a worrying development.
At first glance, it sounds a bit Orwellian.
A man sitting in his garage streaming the news over the internet.
Now the government wants to jail him.
Orwellian aside, he was wrong, and he's not denying that.
The craziest part about this is that one of his excuses was that, like, look, my wife, she left the news on, okay?
I started watching the news, I became suspicious that what they were saying was not in fact the truth, and I had to go to the Securecoms to see what the analysis of that news was.
Doug Jensen returned to jail.
In December of 2021, his lawyer filed a motion for reconsideration and argued that Jensen was no threat to the public, while also inadvertently describing our technocratic dystopia.
Here's from that motion.
Mr. Jensen did let the court down by listening to news outlets that some may find puzzling.
However, in the final analysis, his actions impacted no one but himself, and as the United States has argued, An internet ban would be impossible to enforce, though for reasons different than what the government was arguing.
The internet is more than a luxury in 2021.
Cell phones are as common as a key to the front door of one's home.
In fact, a cell phone may be the digital key to your front door.
Googling matters, shopping, checking the weather, streaming movies, emailing, texting, and now, attending court are all activities that make the internet an integral part
of our lives.
And this list is not inclusive of all the many ways that the internet impacts us in our 21st century lives.
Mr. Jensen requested he be released to home detention with GPS monitoring,
with a ban on utilizing social media.
To ban his access to news outlets and information he apparently feels the need to consume
is not only difficult to enforce, it also has an uncomfortable ring of totalitarianism.
[Sigh]
So this didn't- I think that this is a landmark ruling.
I think more people should be banned from the Internet.
I think we should all be banned from the Internet, actually.
But I mean, it does... yeah, whatever.
No, I know what you're about to say.
It's a weird... I mean, the lawyer's got a point, to a certain degree.
Yeah, he is describing an awful reality we find ourselves in, in which we are totally reliant on the Internet to do basic things in our lives.
Uh, and so it's a form of torture to not let people get to that sweet, sweet content.
It really is!
What else is there?
What happens to somebody if you ban them from the internet?
If you ban them from the internet, they press themselves up to the door of the internet, on all four, and they stick their tongue under the door trying to get some honey.
Just trying to get a little taste of the honey on the other side.
That's what they do.
The judge did not allow for another release.
Doug Jensen's trial is set for September 19th in Washington, D.C.
Recently, his lawyers attempted to have it moved back to Iowa and have argued that the January 8th, 2021 FBI interview with Doug Jensen was unlawful and shouldn't be admitted in court.
As a result of the prosecution's response to that motion, we now have a more complete transcript of what Doug Jensen said to the FBI that day, which brings us to Travis's segment.
Doug Jensen's FBI Interview Yeah, I think this is a really fascinating, I guess, document.
There's also a video I hope they release eventually.
But yeah, I think it'd be interesting for extremism researchers and people trying to help make sense of what happened on January 6th, because it provides a really candid snapshot into the mentality of one of the more prominent participants of the Capitol riot.
So, I mean, in the interview, Doug Jensen, he comes really hot out of the gate while talking to the agents.
After some initial small talk, the first thing that Doug Jensen talks about is how he was essentially radicalized by false Pizzagate-related interpretations of the DNC emails that were hacked by Russian agents and released by WikiLeaks in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.
I actually believe that Trump is still going to be our president come the 19th, 20th, and I went to Mount Rushmore for the 4th of July, alright?
I consider myself a digital soldier.
I follow.
I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton.
I thought she was going to be the first female president until the wiki were up and where I sat and looked at the stuff and I went through all kinds of stuff and I was like, oh my god!
And then along comes Q, and you guys know what Q is.
Damn dude, the FBI agent's just looking at him like, we should've listened to that podcast.
The FBI agent is looking at him being like, Man, I really wish I could let him know that I believe in it, too.
I mean, yeah, it is interesting that, like, I don't expect, like, every FBI agent to, like, know everything about QAnon, but I would hope they would have somebody who's familiar with this, because, like, the FBI agents, FBI, they've got to be, like, there's a ton of people I assume are, like, totally intimately familiar with the, you know, the details of, like, You know, Salafi jihadism and like Muslim extremism.
They know they got like a thousand guys know that but they all have like, you know, maybe one or two guys, you know the ins and outs of QAnon, you know.
This is Travis View's application to be an FBI agent, take one.
I would support that.
Do not!
No!
What do you mean you would support that?
I think it would be a good job for Travis.
One of the deal breakers for me with Travis is if he goes to work for the federal government.
I don't think that would work out.
You guys don't think they would want me, do ya?
Oh god.
I hope they take you.
Because you would single-handedly bring down the FBI.
I would!
Just being there, somehow.
I would.
I would be like, have you guys... Be like, do any of you guys play 2K by any chance?
I'd be like, have you guys heard about...
The holes near the top of Antarctica, where apparently this guy, I think his name was Richard Bird, flew his plane into the Earth's crust and he landed there.
I can't even finish the bit.
The idea to me is so ridiculous, but hilarious.
Please hire him.
Later in the interview with the FBI, Doug Jensen reiterates this idea that he was going to vote for Hillary until he got into the Pizzagate stuff.
It all started with the crap I found out about Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, you know, all that stuff.
And then so right before I was going to vote for Hillary, I was like, whoa, we've got to vote Trump in because we can't have Hillary.
And then I started finding things like, we're supposed to be dead by now?
And if Hillary would have won, we were going to be attacked by North Korea or Iran?
We were going to war and we would most likely, I mean, half of us wouldn't be here right now if Trump wouldn't have won that election is what I got from it.
No, I think this is interesting because it speaks to the whole question of, like, how much did, like, Pizzagate-related conspiracy theories actually affect how people voted?
And this does, according to his own testimony, it seems like he would have voted for Hillary, but then they got totally pilled and voted for Trump.
But at the same time, I kind of take this with a grain of salt because a lot of, like, QAnon people or, like, conspiracy theorists They love this testimony.
It was like, Oh man, I was a brainwashed lib, but then I got online and then I woke up and then now the sort of the, uh, sort of the subtext is like, and you should be pilled too.
You know, they love this.
They love this conversion story.
It's like, if I, you know, I was like fully ready, uh, You know, I was, you know, with her.
And then, and then I start, I read this email.
John Podesta, her campaign manager, talking about a walnut sauce map.
You know?
Like, what the fuck is that?
You know?
What the hell is that?
And so I start reading, I'm like, maybe I'm not with her.
Maybe she's not the most qualified candidate for president in the- Maybe she's actually slaughtering children and drinking their blood!
And I'm like, this guy who I hate, who I really don't like, I was very- Yeah, he sucks, but- Very against him.
You know?
He might just be the only chance we've got.
Yeah, this does read like, I was doing witchcraft and I was a Satanist before I found Jesus.
Yeah.
During the interview, the FBI agent asked Doug Jensen to explain QAnon.
You know, I'm actually, I'm not as read up on that kind of thing as maybe Tyler is, because, can you tell me about it?
Because, you know, I mean, I've heard it mentioned, but I'm- It's a group of people that are in the White House, possibly, or with close connections to Trump, and it's, um, I want to say it's an intelligence, uh, being dropped to the public.
And so I've been following that religiously since the day it came out.
I've seriously followed that daily.
And everything that has happened to, in real life, has been like, I watched a movie.
Everything that's happening now, I know it all, because it's all old news to me.
And it's all just coming out now, and I was pushing for the Insurrection Act, and I was hoping that by doing that, and, you know, the reason I made sure I was at the front, because I wanted that cue to be on TV, I wanted cue to get the attention.
I see.
And that was my main intention, basically, was to use my shirt.
I basically intended on being the poster boy, and It really worked out.
I was gonna say, yeah, I mean, that box chat, I mean, you did what you set out to do.
That's what I wanted to do, and I was trying to give all the attention to Q, I was trying to fire up this nation.
Yeah.
I'm all about a revolution, basically.
Listen, don't talk to law enforcement if you don't have to.
You have a fifth amendment right to not incriminate yourself, first of all.
And if you do talk to cops, don't tell them, I'm all about a revolution.
Yeah, you can say you're all about a lot of things.
Yeah.
Just nothing that rhymes with, like, rebel or pollution or, um, you know, anything that, uh...
Okay, rebel and pollution rhyme with revolution.
Anything that rhymes with, like, insect nation, you know?
What?
Insect nation?
Insurrection, you know?
It doesn't even rhyme!
Oh!
Eminem would be able to make that rhyme.
Yes, he would, because he understands inside rhymes.
Yeah, he would be able to make that.
Maybe me, not so much.
But yes, Travis is slowly becoming the two shut-the-fuck-up lawyers.
Like, what do you do next?
Shut the fuck up.
And, I mean, again, Doug was not arrested.
He was not even in handcuffs.
Yeah.
He showed up on his own.
They didn't even have to read him, as Miranda writes, because he wasn't under arrest.
He was like, I would love to volunteer some information.
And they made sure that they didn't arrest him during that entire interview.
Over and over they told him, you're doing this because you want to.
Or say anything like, just so you know, even though you're here on your own free will, if you say something that is incriminating, we do have the authority to arrest you.
Do you want to think about that maybe?
See, this is something that I don't understand.
If I'm an FBI agent, and maybe it's just me, I'm a little bit lazy.
You know, if I see somebody come in being like, I'm ready to confess, like all sorts of stuff, I'm going to be like, well, this is a lot of paperwork for me.
Hey man, just so you know, like you don't have to, and if you do, you know, it could be like big trouble.
So are you sure you want to do this?
Because I'm at lunch.
It was probably their easiest day of work ever.
Yeah, what are you talking about?
They got called in for, like, would you like to pick up McDonald's to go?
Like, that was the equivalent of their interaction.
Like, this guy will literally just blab.
He doesn't even need to go to the bathroom.
Just give him a couple smokes.
Yeah, couple of smokes.
Four hours of testimony for nothing.
And yes, it's a big deal because everyone's fucking excited about this in the news.
This is the FBI agent's, like, best day.
If I was him, I would be in that interrogation room, like, super nervous, like, Fuck, did I make the right choice coming here?
I don't know.
And then the moment that the FBI agent was like, hey man, you want to go outside for a smoke?
In my head, I'd be like, I'm going to tell them everything.
The best.
Yeah, I can see an FBI agent looking through the slit, turning to the other guy and being like, we're not going to need the nipple clamps.
Yeah.
This guy, this guy's- They were like, hey, you got that half deck of smokes that we keep in your desk?
And the other agent's like, we don't even need them.
He brought his own.
This guy's got snicker bars in his pocket.
He's fucking ready to go.
He's ready to go.
He's got a bottle of water.
They did ask him, like, are you okay?
You know, like, are you of sound of mind?
Now, I'd argue that someone who takes opioids every single day, that might be questionable.
Yeah.
But he also explained that he had drank, like, a bunch of Red Bull.
So... Because he had to walk six miles to get there.
That's a long walk.
And they gave him a ride back home.
That's a lot of thinking.
A lot of thinking on a walk.
I love the idea of dropping him off at the end if you're like, okay, see you later, maybe.
Maybe later today.
Hey, we might come around asking a couple more questions, maybe.
Oh my god.
In the interview, Doug Jensen goes on to explain how he got to QAnon and how he followed every Twitter account that Q linked to.
The FBI agent speaks first.
So when you say that you followed Q religiously, like, how does one do that?
I mean, I pulled it from, well, when I learned back in 2017 about the Q drops, I, with the first one, I don't know, I was.
It was on my drop 100 by the time I found out what it was, but I real quick caught up and I stayed on it daily every day for the last two years and checked any Q drops.
Oh, uh, I see.
And Q would tag people here and there, like on Twitter or here, and I saved everything.
I followed every person and I continue to look at everyone, those people's tweets, every day.
When Trump tweets, it bleeps my phone.
You don't know how many tweets I, you know, how many alerts I've gotten because of that man.
Yeah.
And I read every one of them.
Fuck, man.
Imagine loving cops so much and that somehow you just don't get it.
You're not even suspicious of them.
You don't even believe that you're putting yourself in danger.
Imagine just walking in and talking for four hours and then being like, oh man, that's true.
They never read my Miranda rights and I signed an agreement that said I would give them my phone immediately after this.
They drove him home and then took his phone from his house, which he was like, I just want it back.
Like, can you just copy it and give it back?
And like, I mean, who knows?
Like based on the way he is, you know, volunteering this information, like I'm not so sure he doesn't think that the cops are like, well, we got to catch up on this QAnon stuff because it's real and there's going to be a lot of changes coming into the country.
And this young man might be, he might be an expert.
Yeah.
He's kind of excited to share it with them.
Yeah.
Doug Jensen also talks about how he read the Qdrops, and what's interesting is that he doesn't reference 8coon at all, because he says he got his Qdrops from Qdrop aggregator sites like Qmap.pub and Qalerts, but in the transcript he keeps referring to Qmap.pub as just Q.pub for some reason.
So, is all this on Twitter, or is it also on other platforms as well?
Well, it started off on Twitter.
No, it started off with Q.pub, and then Q.pub got shut down, and now I have another one.
It's like QAlert.something.
I don't have my phone, but he hasn't dropped now for like 30 days.
What I believe is about to happen, what I believe honestly, with my heart, is the first arrest is going to shock the world.
And I believe it's going to be Mike Pence, you know, the vice president.
He's going to be the first.
That's in my opinion.
The idea that, yeah, the first arrest will shock the world is a direct reference to a Q drop.
And I mean, it's just so insane how the narrative shifted.
I mean, if you would ask somebody six months ago in QAnon who the first arrest was going to be, they would have said Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama.
But in this moment, January, you know, after after the insurrection, you know, Q has not posted for 20 days.
And the answer is I believe the first arrest is going to be Mike Pence.
This is like, you know, the, you know, extreme Christian vice president who was going to be like Trump's, uh, you know, second in command or whatever.
It's like, yeah, but it's like, it's really weird because they judge, you know, what is going to happen based upon like, what would be the most shocking?
Is the most shocking arrest be Obama or be the most shocking arrest be Hillary?
No, no.
Mike Pence.
That would be the most shocking arrest.
So it's gotta be him.
Yeah, and even before January 6th, there were Mike Pence conspiracy theories floating around QAnon circles.
A lot of QAnon people had turned on Pence and believed that he was part of some other child trafficking thing in his state.
Yeah, that Mike Pence had, like, struck a deal with the deep state and that, like, you know, he was actually working alongside the Democrats.
Which I also saw some liberal conspiracy theorists talking about as well.
That Pence was actually, you know, the level-headed one and that he would somehow be able to wrangle Trump.
I don't know.
Yeah, so QAnon's saying Pence is a black hat, while BlueAnon's saying Pence is a white hat.
Yeah.
Good stuff.
Good.
Good.
We should have never given people hats.
Okay.
Colored hats.
Better than your never-given-people takes, generally.
Take away hats.
Doug Jensen also seems to be under the impression that Joe Biden owned an island next to Epstein Island, which is obviously not true and also not something I really heard a lot from QAnon followers.
That's not something that Q ever said.
Also, Q has said things, okay, so like, and Anonymous, okay, basically, I was not into politics until WikiLeaks dropped.
And then when I realized about Haiti and the Clinton Foundation and the kidnappings all through the Clinton Foundation, and then I learned about Epstein Island, and then I learned Mike Pence owns an island, right, or, um, not Mike Pence, uh, Joe Biden owns an island next door.
And then I find that Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings and all that, I knew about that a year or two ago.
What a jumble.
Yeah, this is the broken mind of a radicalized conspiracy theorist that is so deep into it that any consideration for his own freedom or safety is out the window.
In the interview, Doug Jensen then discusses a pretty universal theme amongst the testimony of QAnon followers, which is losing family and friends over QAnon.
He also discussed the tip-top Q-proof, and this is when an anon on 8chan asked Trump to use the phrase tip-top at the State of the Union address, which is if tip-top is just a phrase that Trump uses occasionally.
Um, and Trump didn't use that phrase at the State of the Union address, but he did use the phrase tip-top later during an Easter address.
And this was considered good enough.
This was considered a Q-proof.
It's like, it's weird and it's garbage.
But Doug Jensen seems to, um, think it was very convincing.
He also has like a weird, confused understanding of the Q-proof.
He thinks that Q used the phrase Saint tippy-toppy, which is not true.
Q didn't, Q didn't say that.
It's like even the most fervent believers don't have the same kind of grasp of this, you know, of their savior, you know, if you will, as Travis View does.
It's amazing to me how, like, yes, this person wore a Q t-shirt at the front of the insurrection, they wanted to get on TV, but they don't know, I mean, they have the general beats for the most part, but it's, they don't know it like, you know, you would expect them to.
Yeah, it is interesting because all these QAnon followers, they all have their own idiosyncratic kind of personal version of what the QAnon world says, and sometimes it's really jumbled.
But they all have this inner feeling of secret knowledge and esoteric information and certainty that they know what's really going on, even if the details of what supposedly is really going on is kind of fuzzy.
Doug says in the interview, You know what pissed me off too is, you know, I'm on Facebook a lot trying to post pro-Trump stuff, pro-Q, pushing that just because I got 500 people and if I can just get, you know, I just wanted to get Trump to win a, and then there's indiscernible in the transcript.
It's all I tried to do basically.
So I figured by putting this information, I've lost friends, I've lost family, I have, I, you know, all over this.
And they think I'm insane.
And I don't believe I am.
I believe everything, you know, 100%.
And it wasn't until Q started saying things like, St.
Tippy Toppy, and then the next thing you know, Trump's giving a speech, and he throws the word tippy toppy out there, and I'm like, oh my god!
You know?
And little things like, the storm is here, you know?
In QAnon lore, the storm was supposed to be kicked off after Trump tweeted the phrase, my fellow Americans, the storm is upon us.
Obviously that didn't happen, but according to Doug Jensen, Trump did start a speech with my fellow Americans, as like every president does, and that was apparently good enough for him.
Q always told us that when he says, my fellow Americans, the storm is here, that's when we're supposed to go.
That's when we're supposed to do anything.
Well, he started off that speech a couple of weeks ago with my fellow Americans.
That's all he had to do.
There is also this this funny exchange in which Doug Jensen talks about something that was popular in some segments of QAnon world.
So in 2017, Trump signed Executive Order 13818, which was called Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.
In December of 2020, like after he lost the election, Trump continued the national emergency with respect to human rights abuse and corruption.
So, a lot of QAnon followers thought that this continuation of the emergency was a prelude to the storm of mass arrests.
In addition to that, on January 1st, Trump signed the Safeguarding Tomorrow Through Ongoing Risk Mitigation Act, or the STORM Act.
This is true, he did sign the Storm Act on January 1st, and this authorizes the
Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide grants to states to establish funds to reduce risks from
disasters and other natural hazards.
So this is just an emergency funding bill. It was actually sponsored by a Democrat,
has nothing to do with like arrests or like corruption.
Do you know what that is?
I don't.
Naturally, QAnon followers thought it had special significance.
And so this is what Doug is referring to.
So Doug Johnson brings this up, and he's baffled that the FBI agents have no idea what
he's talking about.
And then January 1st to January 2nd, the storm, executive order, storm.
Do you know what that is?
I don't.
You guys work for the FBI?
You know, I— I mean, look it up on your phone.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Yeah.
Look up the storm!
It just went into effect January 1st and January 2nd.
What are we gonna find?
It's basically, what it's talking about is how Trump now has the power to use the emergency broadcast system to speak to the people because he's being blacked out and I think we're right now at the start of our 10 days in darkness.
You know, I, um...
Oh man, but ten days from now, because, well, ten days from maybe when he was on Twitter and Facebook and all that, our president was... Well, you just, um... I guess you gotta follow Q. Okay.
You know, otherwise I sound like a total cuck, so...
Holy shit, man.
Literally, like, posting to the FBI like you're in a fucking Discord with other Pepes.
It is, that is, oh man.
I mean, I'm not a cuck, you know?
Yo, you work for the FBI?
You don't know about Q?
You don't know about Q?
You don't know about the Storm?
Look it up!
Look it up!
Dude, you're gonna love it.
You're gonna love it.
Like, what's going on here?
He just lives in his own QAnon reality in which he has no real idea of how government functions at all because Q's been misleading him.
Or even what the plan is.
He just has these kind of jumbled phrases sort of bouncing around in his head generally.
Okay, there's ten days of darkness, there's the executive order, there's the emergency broadcast system.
Q has flooded these people's brains with so much dog shit.
Uh, that when asked to sort of, um, you know, if you believe in this, if you believe in this and you're asked to tell somebody how it's going to go down, you can't.
Well, because they ate food, right?
It was like a chicken breast, some green beans or whatever.
Yeah.
But now they're puking it up.
And yeah, it turns out all the bits are just kind of mixed up.
It's very colorful and it's nothing like the meal that was ingested.
Yeah.
Doug Jensen also talks about another event in QAnon lore that supposedly happened during the funeral of George H.W.
Bush.
So they believe that during this funeral, Jeb Bush and all of his family members, they were handed these slips of paper that said something like, you're being arrested or we know about all your crimes or something general.
And they acted shocked after being handed these slips of paper.
Jensen says, I think it was George Bush's wife, or mom, or something, but they hand her a letter, okay?
Like, right in the middle of this interview.
And George Bush Sr.
had a wrinkled flag on his casket.
And that should have never happened, you know?
That was one thing.
And then, before the funeral, said, watch for the letters.
Watch for the letters at the funeral, you know?
And the next thing you know, the Secret Service guy hands the Bush mom, I wanna say, an HW standing there, and Jeb is right there, and they hand her this, and she looks at it, and she goes, she shows Jeb, and this is right as their own father's going by, and he pulls his hand down from his heart, he's got this look of just fear of God in his face.
And then during that same, you know, so Q already told me to watch for these letters, and then that all happens.
Every time Q always says something, it always happens.
Every time Q said anything, it always came true.
Okay.
That's a great response from the FBI guy.
He's just like, OK.
OK.
OK.
Makes a note in his book.
Yeah.
Go on, Doug.
Yeah.
They let him take a smoke so they could take a break.
Yeah.
Because it is exhausting having someone rant at you like this.
That's true.
That's true.
Doug Jensen talks about how Q helped him realize that the media is lying and discusses his research methods.
And he also talks about this insane belief that Justice John Roberts, there's a video of John Roberts, like, killing, raping and killing a kid, which is not true.
Oh boy.
And so, I mean, this is another instance where the FBI's reaction is very funny.
And it's, you know, so I'm a full believer that somebody's out there trying to give the real information to the public, basically, you know.
And so I used to believe the news and believe everything it said, you know.
I heard it on TV, it's true, you know.
And over the last four years, I've learned that the corporations, there's only like five different, like, Disney owns ABC.
That's only like five or six different corporations or people that own pretty much all of TV and news and all that.
So we're getting, we're obviously getting one-sided news and it's coming from China, maybe.
Maybe China owns Disney, I don't know, but basically China's pretty much blackmailed according to, you know, what I've researched like with Justice John Roberts, whatever his name is.
There's a video that's going to come out here real soon that he rapes a kid and then murders that kid.
Alright?
I don't know, are you guys playing with me that you... Is that something Q said or...?
I don't even know where I got that because, you know, Q only says certain things and then Q tells you to watch out for this info.
Right.
This is unbelievable stuff, I mean... Yeah, it is fascinating because he's like, oh wait, but you guys, you FBI guys, really don't know about the horrible blackmail from China and the John Roberts video?
He's like, okay, where'd you get this information?
He's like, I have no idea.
You can't even cite the sources.
It's like, I can't believe you don't know this thing that I'm not even sure where I heard this or why I know it.
I think what he's... I mean, I'm just making an assumption, but I think what he's trying to say is Q says certain things and then there are people who interpret what Q says, and maybe this came from an interpretation or something like that.
What's amazing to me is that even in the logic of QAnon, the FBI is a bad guy in general, you know, and is considered bad even in like broader MAGA belief systems.
So I mean, even by his own rules, he shouldn't trust these guys this much.
Here's the thing is like, like, it's true that like, you know, the FBI was like investigating Trump and stuff.
But there's still a strain of, like, trust of the FBI, because there was the Mueller white hat theory, where there's a belief that, OK, it's like, oh, even though, like, the special, you know, the former FBI director is investigating Trump, he's a former Marine, he's secretly on the MAGA side.
And there's also the trust Ray, trust Christopher, you know, FBI Director Christopher Ray.
So there's, I mean, obviously there is like, you know, QAnon followers, you'd think they'd be super skeptical of like, you know, the intelligence agencies and they think they would be like, you'll think that they're all deep state and stuff, but for some reason they can't let go of this trust of the feds.
In the interview, Doug Jensen also talks about the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton secretly murdered JFK Jr.
in a plane crash in 1999.
It's clear that Jensen doesn't believe that JFK Jr.
is alive, but man, he wants to believe.
He hopes it's true.
Well, then Q also posted, Hey, this person said this, so I followed that person.
So I continued every person he ever, I've got the full list and I've, I check every one of those Twitters daily.
You know, like I'm not saying JFK Jr's alive, but I sure would love that to be true, you know, but I don't know.
It's just coincidental that he was safe until he decided to run against Hillary in New York in 2000.
He comes out with a magazine and he publishes it and it's the battle for 2020 or something right on the cover.
And he named the magazine George.
Okay.
Cindy Crawford was in that magazine, if I remember.
You know the one I'm talking about?
Was she?
I don't know if she was on it, but... Yeah.
I'm sure she was.
Mm-hmm.
But... So... Then, at the Trump rallies, there was a guy, his name was...
I can't think of the guy's name, but he looks really like Junior and everybody thought he was Junior and so that's what started the whole Junior craze and then I started digging more and then I find out that the Q has a Michael Jackson's Neverland.
Anyway, I don't know.
He's got a... Jesus Christ!
I can't even make it through this!
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
Okay, let's see if I can figure this out.
You can do it, Jake.
And then I started digging more, and then I find out that The Q has a... Michael Jackson's Neverland?
Anyway, I don't know.
He's got at the Neverland Ranch, he has a circle with children sitting in it, and their legs hang off, and it makes The Q. And so, I don't know, maybe he faked his death.
Maybe all these people faked their death to go against the corrupt people.
It's kind of what I'm hoping happens.
So sounds like he was almost Vincent Fusca.
Right, right.
Almost there.
He looks a lot like him.
I could see it, maybe.
But God, it's like he can't quite make that leap.
He's like, he's almost there and thinking the basically going with like the negative 48 level cult stuff, right?
Like all the dead celebrities are secretly alive and are about to expose all the horrible corruption.
In the interview, the discussion then turns to the subject of why Doug Jensen was in D.C.
on January 6th in the first place.
So what did Q say about what happened at the Capitol the other day?
Q didn't say anything, but make sure you go.
Okay.
And when did he say that?
Was that?
Well, he didn't say it.
When you go to the app.
Well, Trump said the reason I went was because Trump said he had info for us at this rally.
And I honestly thought I was going there to be told.
I thought it was showtime.
And when you say showtime, you mean?
I thought all these arrests were going to start happening like I've been hoping, I guess.
And nothing.
Well, I went to the Trump rally with the hopes of finding out some information because he said he has some great information for us.
How do you find out about the rally?
Well, I found out from the rally from all the different people I follow.
In a later part of the interview, Doug Jensen reiterates his belief that Trump was going to offer some sort of shocking information to the rally goers.
Trump posted, make sure you're there January 6th for the rally in Washington, D.C.
I'll have some great info.
And so to me, that was, oh, here it comes, because and then, you know, all he said, well, where's Hillary?
Well, where?
I already know that.
Q said, where's Hillary?
Four months ago, you know, so I was kind of like, that's all you got.
Where's Hillary?
You know, he, and then he got us all fired up to go to that White House.
And then it just all happened so quick.
And I just wanted to make sure that I wanted to be in the front.
Basically, I wanted to get that Q shirt the attention.
So yeah, that's another thing.
He keeps confusing.
He says he wanted to going to the White House.
He confuses the Capitol building and the White House.
When he goes to the Capitol building, he is under mistaken belief that he's at the White House.
Doug Jensen talks about how the Q-supporting lawyers Linwood and Sidney Powell got him all excited.
Lin Wood's new.
Like, everything Lin Wood has dropped in the last couple weeks is old news.
Like, that's all old news to me.
And so, Lin Wood got me fired up, Sidney Powell got me fired up, Rudy Giuliani got me fired up, you know, and then I go to this Trump rally and I was just hoping it was showtime, basically, and then he gets done with this rally and I'm just kinda like, he's like, oh, let's all go march down peacefully, you know?
He didn't tell us to go storm the building, okay?
Sounds kind of disappointed.
It was like hoping that like Trump would be a leading general, basically guiding, you know, all the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers inside the Capitol building.
My God, on a giant elephant.
Jensen, in the interview, discusses the scary moment when he and a group of rioters breached the Capitol building.
I got up to this one building.
This guy pulled his backpack out and he had a Weapons, you know and he started bashing the window in and oh man, I didn't know what was going on at this point I thought this is us.
This is it.
This is you know, Trump, you know the Patriots the people that stand for this country You know, I thought we were going to change the world.
I don't know I don't know what I thought.
So, let me ask.
Before you saw that backpack, did you have any indication that there were weapons involved with- No.
Like I was actually kind of shocked at first, and then it was all happening so fast, you know.
And the next thing you know, I'm going through that door, and along with the whole crowd behind me...
He's so, I don't know, caught between two worlds where it's like, oh yeah, I want like uprising and I'm all about revolution.
I want, I want to see blood and horrible things, but all of a sudden smashing windows.
Oh, that's scary.
Like once it starts like happening for real, he gets a little squeamish.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tonight the movie got too real.
Yeah.
Jensen also describes his paranoia after all of a sudden having his picture in the national news.
I wanted to be the first one in that door, you know, with my Q shirt.
That's it.
Okay, and there's a black guy and he's standing there, okay, and I got this weird feeling that, okay, so I had lots of people I was driving home, I shut my phone off, I deleted all my Twitters, my Facebooks because I'm paranoid thinking Mark Zuckerberg and his henchmen or somebody's going to try to locate me through one of these apps so deleted every freaking app on my phone and shut my phone off you know because I was afraid of being killed on the way home being a poster child I fear for my family you know there are lots of people that are completely brainwashed by the media they're making me out to be this well
They're making the Trump, you know, they're making the whole rally out to be a, what about Black Lives Matter burning these cities down and they don't get nothing?
Like we go in, we try to, you know, we can't have a president for four years.
He won.
You know, why can't we just have him as a president for like four years?
Like, you know, I don't understand why that was so hard.
You know, they tried to destroy him from the beginning.
In the interview, there's also this one section where Doug Jensen expresses his frustration about like being so much better informed about everyone else about what's really going on.
Well, what I want to hear from you guys is if you guys are the FBI, why haven't you guys looked into this stuff?
Why haven't you guys made a move?
You know, if I'm just this guy that lives in a little area of Des Moines, How come I know so much, you know?
I don't understand.
It just makes no sense how all this stuff that I know and I try to share on Facebook and people are like, oh dude, I don't even see your Facebook.
I have to literally go to your page and it's like, really?
You know, and I always try to put the, I've done nothing but research for two years straight.
I come home, I work, I get up.
I work eight hours a day.
I come home and just sit on my phone, researching daily.
Yeah.
I was... I don't even watch TV.
I don't even... I just sit and stare at my phone.
I check on Juano Saban or whatever.
I don't know if you know who that is.
And check on JFK Jr.
if it's actually him or not.
That other guy that, I can't think of his name, but he looks like him and everybody thought it was him and he was at his Trump rallies and then he had this woman that looked like Jackie, you know, standing.
So, I don't know, man.
I truly started believing that, you know, I still do actually.
I'm not saying the JFK part because that's probably a little bit out there.
Right.
But that's more of a hope, I guess.
Multiple times he tells them he hopes JFK Jr.
is alive.
It's a dream.
It's a dream board.
I have to say, man, QAnon plus Red Bull plus opioids, man, this is not a good recipe for life.
It is interesting because, like, basically what happens when, like, someone who's, you know, living inside of QAnon world goes and interacts with someone who actually works for the government, for the federal government.
And he's like, oh, he assumes, he assumes like, OK, you got to know all the stuff I know, too.
Yeah.
But he's like, why don't you?
But all the same, like, like little passage, he's like, oh, I know all the stuff.
Why don't you know it?
And it's like, I don't even know if JFK Jr.
is alive or not.
I'm not sure.
It, like, goes from being totally certain.
But you should know!
You're the FBI, like.
He's got a little bit of help, like, is he?
Isn't he?
You know, the guy, he sold, oh man, he had hats, he sold the hats, he had the van, he's standing with Jackie.
Kept bringing middle-aged women into the van.
I wonder if, in some ways, if he's just throwing everything out there, hoping that, like, one of the FBI agents is like, oh wait, well, we know about Jackie at the rally.
That one's true.
We can confirm that.
He's like he's looking for something.
Oh, Joe Biden's island?
Yeah, we're well aware of it.
We're still trying to assemble an amphibian team to take it.
In the interview, Doug Jensen also discusses his confrontation with Officer Goodman.
When the guy ran up for me and I chased him up the stairs and then he went up more and then he pulled his baton out at the top of those stairs and I was like, hit me.
I'll take it.
I'll take it for this country, you know.
And then he kind of did this thing like this, and then took off running again.
And that's when I chased up to the next section, and then that's when I got this room where they're all in there, right?
There are all kinds of capital police and military, you know?
And I went in there, and I'm like, why are you defending these mofos, you know?
Like, go and arrest them!
They're all like, look, we have orders.
We have wives and children, and we can't... We have orders, you know?
Yeah.
And I'm like, you're the ones with the power.
You guys got the weapons, you know?
Let's do this, you know?
And they all... They liked me, and I showed respect.
I never pushed, I touched any cop, and I was never aggressive, even towards the... I mean, it sure looked like that on the video.
I'm kind of a scary-looking person, but really I wasn't, you know, as aggressive as that looks.
Yeah, there's a really well-publicized photograph of Doug Jensen wearing his Q-shirt and his beanie, showing his arms wide.
He's basically looking like he's trying to taunt the officers.
Yeah, come at me, bro.
It's a come at me, bro gesture.
That's how I interpreted it.
It just literally looks like an Ubisoft NPC trying to taunt you towards a bandit camp or something.
In the interview, we learned that Doug Jensen wasn't a fan of the QAnon shaman, Jacob Chansley, because Jensen was under the false impression that Chansley's chest tattoo was a pedophile symbol.
So he's baking even his fellow capital writers.
Anyway, so that's where I found out first about your FBI file on pedophile symbols.
And then that's when I learned about Comic Ping Pong and all that crap, you know.
And then, oh no, that's all fake too, but the symbolism is all there.
And it's like, how?
So I'm like, on Twitter, and then I see, oh my God, that dude had that, you know, and if I would have known that, I would have turned around and beat the living crap out of that guy, you know, just for having that tattoo.
And if he was a patriot, and he was definitely not a patriot, well, I don't know.
I was under the impression that he wasn't a patriot.
Is that the guy with his face painted?
One of them?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I think there's a really interesting segment of the interview in which Doug Jensen, he talks about his life and it sounds like he had kind of a rough go of it.
He describes as a child being taken from foster home to foster home.
He also claims that he was a victim of child molestation, which he credits to for his desire to fight.
I think what really gripped me from the beginning Was a child trafficking and all that with the Hillary Clinton thing?
That's what hooked me right off the bat.
I was molested from when I was 7 until I was 14.
Right now that guy currently has a restraining order against me.
So I have text with him.
He's a high up person in Mayo Clinic in Rochester.
I was like, I'm going to call the human resource department.
I'm going to tell them I'm going to mail letters to all your neighborhoods.
You know, I was done with him at that point.
I'm really sorry to hear that that happened to you.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm really, I mean, I think this is really was like my rise up to fight it in a way, I guess.
Horrible.
This is horrible stuff.
Even the FBI guys like, Oh dude, I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not the first time we've heard this from QAnon followers about like, you know, being – surviving, you know, abuse like this.
At one point during the interview, Doug Jensen lists off like the main QAnon accounts that he follows on Twitter and one was called John F. Kennedy Jr.
and he also talks about 107.
and 3 Days 3 Nights and the account E, which is also known as E the Friend.
He also mentions Joe M's Plan to Save the World video.
At one point, Doug Jensen mentions the 10-part video series Fall of the Cabal by the Dutch
QAnon promoter Janet Aasenbaard, but the transcript keeps referring to it as Fall of Kabul.
I mean, it sounds like whoever, I don't know how they do these transcripts, but if it's like, if it's being done manually, it sounds like whoever's like, had no idea what the hell he was talking about.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that makes sense.
That's kind of healthy.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I guess, but like, geez, I was, I hope like, you know, once it gets to this point, I hope the feds will be somewhat familiar with the radicalizing content that motivates people to storm the Capitol building.
No, no, no, no.
They owe you nothing.
During the interview, Doug expresses anger at the reporting by the Des Moines-area news station KCCI and, totally unprompted, says that Putin seems like a decent person to him.
I'm wondering, you know, what do you think should happen to you as a result of what's going on?
I just want to... What should happen to me?
What should happen to... What should happen to KCCI for making me out to be... Making us out to be terrorists, you know?
I'm not a terrorist!
I am patriotic.
I am for America.
And I feel like we are being taken over by Communist China, you know?
And the whole Russian collusion was fake.
I don't know what the deal with Russia is, but I don't know, Vladimir Putin, he seems to be like a decent person, but I could be crazy, you know?
But I thought we were taught from a young age to hate Russia and all this stuff.
I've researched on Vladimir Putin.
I was like, this guy doesn't seem so bad, you know?
But, I don't know, you know?
Yeah.
And I don't know because I didn't look in the eye completely.
When the news says Russia, I look the other way, you know?
Whatever the news says, I don't listen.
I don't even take the time to, you know, because I've seen the proofs that they're lying to us.
That they can't say anything, you know?
So, I don't even watch TV.
So another interesting sort of like, uh, insight into how QAnon epistemology works is like, whatever the news says, the opposite is true.
I don't even have to look into it.
Just whatever it says, it's false.
And, uh, that's, that'd be, it's just sort of like total absolute reactionary kind of way to see the world.
In the interview, there's also this really interesting moment of clarity where Doug seems to recognize that all the things that he thinks are going to happen just never happen.
They blocked Trump on Twitter.
He has no way to speak to the people right now.
And that's where the Storm Act took effect on the 1st or 2nd.
And the Storm Act has to do with the Emergency Broadcast System.
And basically, he's going to use the Emergency Broadcast System, well, what I think he's going to use it for is to show video confessions of all these people, and they're all going to Gitmo.
And if you look at the size of Gitmo compared to four years ago, it's massive now!
I believe that he's draining the swamp, you know?
I completely trust this president, you know?
And I've lost all faith in Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff, you know?
Just, I can't think of him right now, but... Yeah, are there other planned protests or anything like that that you're aware of?
No.
Would it surprise you after, I mean, as much as the media and broadcast attention that D.C.
got, I mean, everybody across the country was watching that stuff unfold, right?
Right.
It's a big, big incident, you know?
A historical thing, right?
Mm-hmm.
So... And that's why I wanted to be there.
Do you think that there's... Because I was under the impression that this is it.
This is gonna be historical.
Yep.
So it's why I went.
So based on that then, I mean, do you think that'll be like a catalyst to further protests or anything else down the road?
Particularly within the next 10 days where, like you've told us, this 10 days of darkness, right?
That's where he's being muted, basically.
Okay.
That's... I don't know.
I... I don't know.
Okay.
10 Days of Darkness.
I'm pretty sure it was a thing a long time ago.
It's just something that stuck with me.
Also, Done in 30 was another.
Another big one, Done in 30.
I don't know.
I thought... I don't know what I thought the start date was for that.
Yeah.
But it kind of came and went, and then I was wrong again, wrong again.
I'm always wrong again.
You know, it's funny at the FBI age it was like trying to like take him seriously.
Okay, like so 10 days of darkness.
Does that mean like something's going to happen after 10 days?
Like he's trying to extract some information from him.
Right.
He sounds like he's worried that like, you know, there might be another violent protest or something.
And Doug Jensen, even though he claims he feels so certain, he claims they have secret knowledge.
It's like, oh, well, I really don't know what that means.
And there's this other thing that says done in 30.
And I don't know what that means either, but it's just I mean, he's so he's like so scrambled.
So even though in that moment he was like, he realized like, oh man, I just like, I believe these things.
They wound up being wrong.
Just a short while later in the interview, he reiterates his belief that Q was totally right and totally legit and he totally trusts it.
Yeah, so I wonder how much responsibility you think Q has for this whole thing?
I don't blame Q for... I mean, I believe in Q 100%.
I still believe that Trump is going to be our president and that there's some trick he has left, you know?
And that all these arrests are going to happen and there's going to be this emergency broadcast that's going to, like, broadcast the videos of all their, you know, them admitting to all this stuff.
And I'm still holding on to that, I guess.
And then I was kind of hoping General Flynn would become the vice president, you know, because that's more realistic than JFK Jr., who Probably passed away, you know?
Yeah.
So on my wrist, I have Flynn for the win, and it says Digital Soldier, and that's all I am.
Like, you know, my job as a digital soldier is to be the news and try to share that stuff that I find on Facebook.
Right.
In my way, that's my doing my part.
I'm showing it to at least a couple hundred people, you know?
And that's how the message spreads?
Yeah?
Yeah, you know, and that's all I was doing.
I was doing my part.
So if I'm getting this correctly, you are a digital soldier, Doug?
Just mind-boggling stuff.
Near the end of the interview, Doug discusses touching the Washington Monument in D.C., and he also discusses some interesting findings regarding his research into the symbolism of the monument.
That's just me, you know, showing my cue for my friends, showing I'm touching the obelisk or whatever you call it.
What do you call it?
What do you call it again?
Obelisk.
And so that was another thing that I came across, uh, was, uh, was that was supposed to be a giant penis?
I don't believe.
I think it's an, it's a knockoff of like an Egyptian obelisk is I think what they were going for there.
So yeah, because I was like, what?
And they're like, something I read was translated.
Yeah.
They basically built a giant penis.
And I'm like, "What do you mean?"
(laughter)
God damn it, man.
This really is just a dark comedy written with such horrifying... There's nothing... Why?
There's no fiction that can match this level of horror.
No.
Yeah, where you voluntarily go into the FBI and give them, like, everything they could possibly want to, you know, convict you, and also talk about how you read that the Washington Monument is secretly a giant cock.
Yeah, it's just like... Secretly.
What does he think, you chip away the statue and under it is a giant cock that's being like... Like, that's the sort of helmet the giant cock is wearing?
It's just like, that's what all conspiracy theorists, and now just like generally like right-wing, you know, MAGA people do.
They just...
I want to try and pill you in some way or suss out if you believe it.
I was fucking sitting outside the other day with a buddy of mine.
I was helping move and this guy walks up with his dog and I was, it was a beautiful dog.
I was like, oh, it's amazing.
And you were just talking about the dog.
And then like within less than two minutes, he's like, yeah, beautiful weather out today.
Well, you know, that's one thing these California politicians can't touch is the weather.
And I'm like, and then he's tired.
And it's just like, everybody wants to suss out.
Like, if you're in that camp, all you want to do is either A, see if the people that you're talking to are red-pilled, or B, if they're not, you know, try to, uh, you know, give them as much as you know to start them on their journey.
And it's no different with the FBI.
It's like anybody who will listen, like, yeah, I'll tell you all about it.
Notice it's a beautiful day out.
That's one thing these California politicians can't change is the beautiful weather here.
The people who do change it are the Jews, by the way.
Man, I was so close to making like a weather machine, you know, weather satellite joke, and then I was like, you know what?
Not worth it.
Not worth it.
That's going to extend this conversation by 45 minutes.
So you pet the dog and you walked off?
Yeah, I pet the dog.
Yeah, I pet the dog.
Shake, shake the hand.
Wash the hand after.
You shook his hand?
Go inside.
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Did you come to some business agreement?
It was like a friendly way.
No, no.
Cause like we were like... Did you spit on your palm?
We were like talking and then at the end he was like, hey, I'm so-and-so.
And I was like, oh, hey man, Jake.
Good to meet you, man.
Good to meet you.
See you soon, I guess.
Pilled.
Now there's one exchange in the interview I thought was really interesting in light of what has happened since.
So Doug Jensen talks about regrets he might have for his participation in the events of January 6.
Any regrets about your actions that day?
I don't know.
It depends on if the outcome I wanted happens, then it would have been worth it.
But if nothing happens except for negativity from this and I'm a rioter, then yeah, I completely regret it.
Goddamn, Doug.
I know.
He's like, yeah, if the government gets overturned and we get another four years of Trump, yeah, I'll gladly do, you know, I'll gladly do time.
But if it turns out that none of this is true and, like, I'm literally just, like, a seemingly violent person on the news wearing a conspiracy theory t-shirt, then like, yeah, not worth it.
Nah, it wasn't good if that's what reality is.
Yeah, that's what it is, Julian.
Nah, that wouldn't be good if that's what reality is.
And that is reality.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this is another really classic example of the ways in which...
The people who are really, really ruined by QAnon are very frequently the QAnon followers themselves.
They're used by the far right, and they're chewed up, and they're jailed, and they're ruined, and they lose their friends and their family.
They get nothing out of it.
And like, geez, man, I just, I, it's just so frustrating to listen to him, like, you know, go back and forth between like realization that he doesn't really understand anything.
He doesn't understand what all these symbols mean.
He doesn't, all these things he thinks is going to happen, just never happen.
But then he goes right back into his old habits and thinks that, oh no, I've got the Cuban sight.
I've got, knows what's really going on.
Just back and forth until he's just, just so, so mixed up.
Travis, I think you're right, but for one thing, what it does give him is hope.
And if you read the transcripts, I hope JFK Jr.
is...
But it's like, it's so profoundly dissociative at the same time.
gonna make, you know, confessions from Gitmo and I hope I wasn't just a rioter.
There is, that's it, that's all there is. It's something to hope for, it's something to look forward to. But it's like,
it's so profoundly dissociative at the same time. So it's hope that's
generated from literally rewriting reality. Yeah, yeah.
Sad.
And it's wild to, you know, to think after all of these years, you know, I remember sitting in Julian's old apartment going over the Q drops and what the reaction, and here we are, you know, three, three and a half years later, whatever it is, four years later, and we're reading through a testimony, you know, of somebody who is on trial for For multiple federal crimes.
And we're hearing all of that broadcast back to us in this scrambled sort of jumble that is really meaningless.
I mean, even for the storytelling, for the lore of what QAnon tried to establish, this is what we're left with.
And it's totally depressing.
It's discouraging.
I feel bad for Doug Jensen.
I feel bad for the, you know, I feel bad for The FBI agents that had to... Oh, fuck them!
I was just kidding about that.
No, the whole situation sucks.
Yeah.
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