Ron Watkins yells at the Scottsdale, Arizona, school board. Redpilled Canadian truckers head to Ottawa to protest vaccine mandates. And Boris Johnson is probably a clone! A lot going on this week, with the whole gang getting together to cover these developments. The episode includes an interview with Haley from Arizona Right Wing Watch — who was kind enough to attend Ron Watkins's first congressional rally for us in Prescott, Arizona.
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Welcome, listener, to Chapter 177 of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Clone Convoy to Congress episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Annie Kelly, Liv Aker, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
This week, we've got the entire crew together to explore a set of QAnon-related news stories.
Our first big story is about Ron Watkins, now congressional candidate, and his recent rant at an Arizona school board meeting, where he screeched about communists and critical race theory, among other things.
He has a partner with him and they served documents to the people there.
It's very weird.
In that vein, we'll be speaking to Haley of Arizona Right Wing Watch, who attended Ron's very first political rally on February 1st in Prescott, Arizona.
Our second story involves a whole bunch of red-pilled Canadian truckers forming a convoy and heading to Ottawa to confront Trudeau.
Liv, I think you have some explaining to do for...
They're making Canada great again.
What else is there to say?
They're importing great again via freight truck.
But before we dive into all of these, Annie has prepared an appetizer of sorts.
Boris Johnson may be a clone.
And I can say this because I don't live in the UK.
Annie, are you in full agreement with this statement?
I am, yeah.
I'm coming to you guys with some pretty dark news.
For years now I've been giving you the impression that Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister of the UK, and I've recently learned that that is in fact misinformation.
So I apologise for the part I played in spreading that.
Woah.
This is an about face.
Really.
You've tainted the sanctity of this podcast.
So it all began with the ongoing Westminster scandal in my country known as Partygate, where it was revealed that at various points over lockdown Number 10 Downing Street has been rocking out like it's 1999.
This has naturally rocked the British public's world, as it speaks to the darkest anxiety at the heart of every Englishman, the fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun.
A much-awaited report was published into this yesterday, and Sir Keir Starmer, leader of the Labour Party, took the opportunity to condemn Boris Johnson's poor leadership and flagrant breaches of the very rules he created.
Johnson hit back with a low blow, referencing Sir Starmer's job history as the head of the Crown Prosecution Service.
Well, Mr Speaker, there's a reason why he said absolutely nothing about the report that was presented by this government and later put in the Library of the House earlier on today.
That is because, Mr Speaker, the report does absolutely nothing to substantiate the tissue of nonsense he has just spoken.
Absolutely nothing.
Instead, this Leader of the Opposition, a former Director of Public Prosecutions, will say he spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Sabal, as far as I can make out.
He, Mr. Speaker, chose to use this moment, Mr. Speaker, continually to prejudge a police inquiry.
That's what he chose to do.
He's reached his conclusions about it.
I'm not going to reach any conclusions and he would be entirely wrong to do so.
You know, I've never seen Rhys Moog this happy.
I sentence you to 30 years in Azkaban.
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker!
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa!
I just love the hubbub, you know?
Like, man, American Congress is boring compared to... Our politics are so barbaric, aren't they?
I know, I know.
I wish our politicians were allowed to have it out like this.
I mean, I think it would release a lot of tensions in America.
We could just scream at each other, you know, in a, you know, seemingly professional setting.
It's funny, because, like, Canada has all of the British decorum, but none of, like, the swag.
It's all, like, America, where it's, like, really calm.
Yeah, you just don't have the natural rage that's in the heart of all British people.
That's the problem.
I'm not a fan of the fact that they outlawed throwing vegetables.
That would only add to the swag and potentially the drip as well.
Where are the gallows, sirs?
Give us the entire medieval court of the people.
Now, to be clear, what Johnson said to Starmer is technically true, in that the CPS did investigate but not prosecute Saville in 2009, while Starmer was the Director of Prosecutions there.
The clear implication, however, that Starmer personally made that decision, or in some way covered up his crimes, is not.
The investigation collapsed due to none of the four victims who were interviewed being prepared to testify in court, a problem that is all too common in prosecuting cases of sexual assault, but particularly against such a powerful celebrity.
There's a lot to be said about how those victims, and Savile's countless others, were failed at an institutional level, but it's a pretty serious matter to turn into a sassy comeback.
There was one group of people who were very pleased with Johnson raising the matter.
QAnon.
British QAnoners here have been circulating a story about Starmer's supposed involvement with Savile for years, and were delighted to see their meme having reached the halls of Parliament.
There was just one problem, though.
They also believe Boris Johnson is a satanic paedophile colluding with the Deep State.
His sudden redpilling was a big deal, but it needed an explanation.
They arrived at the only obvious conclusion.
Despite the evidence of your eyes and ears, it wasn't Johnson who said it at all.
So what appears to be a small Muppet or Sesame Street character says, if this is the fake Bojo, and I hope it is, then I'm all for him calling out Stalmer.
We're all in the same club, but a fake Boris won't be.
So the idea here is that Boris wouldn't be a pedophile if there was a clone of him?
Yeah, that's right.
The idea is that it must be a fake Boris because the real Boris would never call out paedophilia because he's deeply involved in it all.
I see.
So that's an interesting loophole.
So when you make a clone of someone, they are absolved of all heinous crimes, the original name.
And they're also, they take out the pedophilia gene.
Brilliant.
Yeah, but if you see the second quote says, yes it is.
He even has a different eye color.
I say leave him there as it looks like the White Hats are controlling him.
So maybe when they changed his eye color, they also changed the pedophilia thing.
Yeah.
Not a White Hat clone expert.
Hold my hands up.
He does resemble, like, a human lightly draped over some pretty grotesque, you know, wooden structure.
Maybe held by strings, so this makes sense.
One unsurprising user even found an old cue drop from March 2020, which seemed to predict exactly what they were thinking.
Mystery solved!
Play a game of Where Are They Now?
Think CEOs.
Think FBI.
Think DOJ.
Think WH.
Think State.
Think C-A.
Think F-Intel.
Think Judge Install.
Think SC Install.
Think DOJ install.
Think FBI install.
Think CIA install.
Think PMUK install.
Think!
The best is yet to come.
Q. My god.
So yeah, confirmed.
Not the real Boris Johnson.
At some point he was replaced with a clone by the White Hats.
I like it.
They updated him like Windows 11.
Eventually he got a warning, you know, he got a warning notice.
It was time to update and he made the carnal mistake of clicking yes.
Never let the new Boris Johnson rule too quickly because all of your drivers will break.
Yeah, this whole story has come as quite a depressing development to me, honestly.
I've often thought one of the main differences between US and UK QAnon is that UK QAnon, for all its insanity, at least doesn't seem to cleave across partisan lines in exactly the same way as it does for our US brethren.
Most QAnoners here seem to share a near-universal hatred of all politicians and parties.
If this theory takes off, though, and Boris becomes recast as a secret White Hat clone working against the sinister machinations of the Deep State, we might be seeing the beginnings of a QAnon realignment here, which is pretty depressing.
Damn.
Well, at least they hate everybody, kind of, but I guess now there's, like, a good Boris who's a clone.
Yeah.
So, that's cool.
I mean, you want, like, at least one hero in the story.
Yeah, and of course it's Boris Johnson.
Well, they just were like, well, it can't be Boris Johnson, but what if it was Boris Johnson?
And they solved the problem for the missing Trump figure for Q. It's that easy.
Yeah.
I'm sort of surprised that, like, British QAnon people don't like Boris.
I mean, because, you know, especially like the Lib view, he's like, oh, it's just like Trump, but in Britain.
And he's got that sort of comical right wing stuff to him.
Yeah, but I don't think he's got Trump's thing of being like an outsider.
Right.
In the same way, like, he's kind of eaten, educated, Oxford-like.
He's quite clearly kind of an aristocrat or comes from an aristocratic family.
Like, it just doesn't quite work in the same way as Trump being a kind of Washington outsider did.
That's great.
Congressional candidate Ronald Watkins versus the Scottsdale School Board.
This week, it's fallen on me to cover a well-known figure in the QAnon scene.
Ron Watkins, aka CodeMonkeyZ.
Now, a bit of background for those who don't know, Ron is the son of Jim Watkins, owner of 8chan, now 8kun, the board on which Q posted most of their drops.
Ron was also the administrator of 8kun until he quote-unquote retired from that position as media attention grew, culminating in the HBO documentary Q Into the Storm.
Which made a compelling argument that Ron was at the very least closely involved in QAnon, using his administrative privileges to verify Q's identity at a crucial moment in early 2018, after which many believe he was in control of the Q posts, whether or not he was writing them himself.
Now, Ron of course denies all of this, but has since used his personal account, first on Twitter before being banned, and now on Telegram, To spread conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, COVID, and a variety of other stuff.
He's also more openly adopted writing structures resembling cues, perhaps as a troll, or maybe because he just doesn't give a shit what it looks like anymore.
And that's the catch with Ron.
He's one of the most inauthentic human beings on earth.
He approaches reality with a terminal case of chan-brain.
Believing that the red-pilling of the masses far outweighs the humiliation of pretending to be a simple country patriot.
He speaks in catchphrases mostly and veers between this kind of barely masked contempt for the true believers and a sort of hapless Mr. Magoo act.
Now, I'm really not trying to cast him as some sort of Machiavellian genius either, but it is clear that his schtick speaks to at least three different audiences.
The Libs, who he wants to either believe he's an evil mastermind or a hapless moron, The Q-supporting Rubes, who he needs support from and gets a lot of love from, and the nihilistic Chan creatures who form his core circle, who have a refined palate that can appreciate what Ron is really attempting to do.
Which, in simple words, is to red pill the normies by any means.
If you research early QAnon, and especially the communities that formed around it on the image boards, you're going to hear this stated as their goal over and over.
Even if they don't even believe Q is a military or government insider, they'll shrug their shoulders and say, who gives a shit?
It's red-pilling the normies.
And today, what Ron is doing is really no different at all.
He's switched over to his personal account, he's grown more integrated into a subsection of the GOP, but all of his posting, and even his congressional campaign in Arizona's 2nd District, Are just extended attempts to pill the normies, build clout, and maybe make some money along the way.
So it's unsurprising that he's embraced Steve Bannon's nihilistic grassroots approach to overwhelming, low-level American institutions by saying dumb shit at school board meetings, mostly.
On Tuesday, the 25th of January, Ron showed up to the Scottsdale Unified School District to make a speech with plenty of supportive people in tow.
In a video he published to his Telegram, you can see him standing at the podium, waiting to begin his speech while a maskless woman hands out notices to each of the school board members who are all saying, no, you can't do this, no, no.
And, uh, once she's done, because she doesn't listen to them, everybody applauds, including Ron.
And, uh, on his Telegram channel, Ron has identified her as Mickey Klan.
Now, that's a K and two N's in that.
Um, explaining that she represents an organization called Bonds for the Win.
Now, I looked into her a bit more and she's, um...
She appears to be a 47-year-old web designer living in Scottsdale, Arizona.
She does notably have a long string of companies to her name, all of which are currently active somehow.
Tugo Web LLC.
Contwibute LLC.
That's contribute with a W. General Brilliance LLC.
Golf Nations LLC.
Imagine Nations Technology and Innovation LLC.
Indulgent Industries LLC.
Liqua Media Website Design LLC.
An MMK 2021 investment LLC.
So based on that list, it appears she likes her liabilities limited.
It sounds like she's either a really amazing business person starting up all these companies, or she's really terrible.
Or alternatively, she's incredibly corrupt.
One of those three options would explain this long list of LLCs.
Yeah, who knows which of those it is?
Mickey, whose real name is Michelle, has appeared as a guest on two QAnon talk shows, hosted respectively by influencers Scott McKay, aka PatriotStreetFighter, and Nicholas Vinyamin.
On McKay's show, she appeared alongside Tommy Numbers and Negative48 himself, Michael Protzman.
Unsurprisingly, they discussed Gematria extensively.
Ali Metzi, who goes by PenielDeCalcify on Twitter and happens to be the QAA lawyer, dug a little further and concluded that the effort was, quote, a sovereign-citizen-esque scheme to harass public officials.
Klan's organization is raising money, and by Metzi's account, quote, involves a fiction where every public officeholder must have a surety bond from a private company to hold office.
Klan promises followers that they can get these private companies to remove people from office.
Now, Bonds for the Win encourages groups of 10 or more people to serve the public officials with letters of intent.
On their fundraising page they explain, quote, "In this letter, state only the facts and what rules or laws have
been broken.
Give them your conditions. Be strong and firm. Give them 48 to 72 hours to meet your conditions."
After this, these amateur Batman villains are told to, quote, "file a claim against their bond."
As Metzi points out, quote, the underlying promise of Klan scheme is fake.
She is lying to people when she says a probably imaginary surety bond company can remove someone from public office if people complain.
So just complete horseshit.
Another one of her weird companies, apparently, and this one's heavily political.
So we've got a classic case of Arizona redpilling.
So that's, like, a fascinating scam.
So she's, like, scamming all of these, like, red-pilled people, presumably to get, like, people out of office that they don't like because they aren't into critical race theory or vaccines or whatever.
There's no clear way for her to make money with this other than maybe just raising money for the organization separately.
Like, the scheme itself actually doesn't financially exploit them.
It really does just get harassment to happen against... Right.
Yeah.
And in the process, it also gets people to quote unquote, identify these officials, which means that they're basically doxing them in the process of harassing them as well, and sharing that information online with others.
So once the applause for Klan settles down, Ron Watkins addresses the school board.
So here's his speech in its entirety.
It's about two minutes long, and the second half is mostly just people yelling at him to stop while he talks.
Tough crowd.
Communism is encroaching on our country.
Communist school boards are now indoctrinating our children with transsexual propaganda and teaching them to be racist against white people by teaching racist by critical racist theory.
I'm not white myself.
But I've dealt with racism and understand how dangerous and misguided it is to teach our children to be racist.
Teaching our vulnerable children to be racist and indoctrinating them with transsexual propaganda was not the intent of our founding fathers when they fought and sacrificed for our freedoms so many years ago.
The communist freaks at our school boards are now taking our parental rights away By teaching our children that they can be vaccinated without parental consent.
This is a blatant destruction of the family unit with the goal of undermining our society from the ground up.
Communism must not take hold.
We must never comply with communist policies.
I'm Ron Watkins, running for Congress in Arizona's District No.
2.
When I'm elected to office, I will be introducing legislation to stop the communist creeps at school boards around our beautiful state and country from enacting unconstitutional, tyrannical, liberty-destroying, anti-God policies.
Without God, we have tyranny.
And the tyranny can be seen, right here and right now, with the insane policies these I hereby give notice of my intent to file a claim against the bonds of this school board for enforcing unconstitutional policies against our children.
If the school board does not immediately cease and desist with their unconstitutional policies,
I intend to file a bond claim within five business days.
Thank you very much and God bless.
Standing ovation.
Nailed it.
I've never heard the transsexual propaganda part yet.
That seems to be a new addition to his cornucopia of fucking awful beliefs that he's bitching about.
Which is, of course, this podcast now.
Yes.
It's been infiltrated, let's say, as communists would also infiltrate.
That's true.
So maybe he's right about our podcast, but he's not right about the school boards.
In response to this, a school district spokesperson told Newsweek that Scottsdale Unified School District does not teach critical race theory as part of our approved curriculum, nor does it vaccinate students or determine what vaccinations are required for school enrollment.
Assertions to the contrary are fabricated and are made in pursuit of a political agenda not designed to advance the educational objectives of the school district.
But all these facts are really just beside the point.
For months now, Ron has been promoting conspiracy theories on Telegram and raising money for his political campaign. The school
board meeting appearance and teaming up with this Bonds company bullshit is just another PR
opportunity for him, coming on the tail of a rather poor interview of Watkins conducted by CNN, during
which none of his background was addressed and he presented himself as a legitimate
political candidate. In recent weeks, Ron has appeared on multiple far-right shows, including those of
David Clements, Jeffrey Peterson, not to be confused with Jeffrey Peterson, aka In the Matrix,
on whose podcast he's also appeared, Conservative Daily with Joe Altman, and his own podcast
that he runs with Tony Tiura called Nerve Center, I think, on which Watkins interviewed Dr.
Vladimir Zelenko, a COVID misinformation So, I mean, obviously on offer, same trash as usual, election, covid conspiracy theories, that kind of stuff, self-promotion.
Since losing his Twitter account, Ron mostly communicates on Telegram, but he's also set up a couple websites, one in his own name and the other to collect funds for his campaign.
His slogan there is, quote, As I mentioned earlier, Ron appeared on the longtime QAnon fixture, The Matrix Groove Show, or MG Show.
The hosts interviewed Ron at an event for Mike Flynn called Reawaken America in Phoenix, Arizona.
Here's how they set up the interview before airing it, and, um, I thought this was quite comical.
I kind of want to set this up a little bit, because it was kind of funny.
Because the same dude, what was that guy's name?
What's his name, Shady?
Oh my gosh, I forgot his name.
Holbeck, Holland.
Yes.
So there's the Q into the storm, Kurt Holbeck guy following around Code Monkey Z. There he is right there.
And Shady and I were like, hey, can we get a picture with you?
And what did I do, Shady?
I whispered into his ear.
What did I say?
Do you remember?
He said, we just interviewed Q. Interviewed Q.
Man, so we kind of trolled him a little bit.
There's CodeMonkey right there.
And boy, the conversations, Shady, that we had in the elevator before and after the interview were quite epic.
As you know, myself and Shady and many, many Anons have been digging on the Q Research board on 8Koon, and CodeMonkeyZ is the one that made that possible in order for Q to post.
So yeah, they're like going up to Cullen and just whispering stuff into his ears.
That's a lot weirder than what they were doing with Travis.
He just wanted to make sure Travis knew about this Chinese family's bloodline and that he wasn't such a bad guy.
Yeah, I was.
I'll also say that I'll be a little bit skeptical.
He talked about our encounter once, and he kind of, like, misrepresented it a little bit, so I don't know how much of this is entirely true.
Who knows?
The interview is really quite tedious.
In the Matrix, a.k.a.
Jeffrey Peterson spends a good part of it showing off his baking skills to the Sensei, but Ron does explain how he claims to have decided to run for Congress.
So I was like a digital activist, right?
Just doing work online, trying to figure out all this stuff.
You know, we're just trying to dig up information and do the best we can to hold the politicians and the corrupt officials accountable.
They need to be held accountable.
And you know, they're most... Oh yeah, and they're most scared of the truth.
So I dig and I find the truth and I bring it out and I'm not scared to publish it.
And I was finding all this crazy stuff that You know, should be putting people in jail.
Right.
But nothing ever happened.
You know, the politicians just sit on their hands and nothing ever happens.
So I figured, you know, if they're not going to do it, then I might as well get in and do it myself.
So it was about six months ago.
I was thinking, what am I doing with myself?
What am I doing with my time?
And I had two people ask me on the same exact day.
They're like, Hey, Ron, what are you doing?
Like, what are you doing?
What is the point of all this activism that you're doing?
I was like, well, I don't really know.
So, I thought about it for two days, and I came to the conclusion, yeah, I have to run for office.
It's not what I want to do, but it's what I need to do.
What degree do you think of the awkwardness is a bit compared to just him being an awkward guy?
He's actually quite a smooth guy.
Uh, actually, apparently, um, interpersonally.
Right.
He, he puts on this kind of deer in headlights act.
I think, you know, the smiling, sometimes he just can't help himself.
Like he's just trolling so fucking hard that he's smiling a bit.
I think he also was told to smile cause he's supposed to be a politician.
So it's layers of shit.
I think he also just might suffer from just like not knowing what to do with your hands when you're on camera, which I get that too.
That's, that's relatable.
In the interview, Ron sticks to the same claims he brought up to Travis on last week's main episode that covered the Arizona Trump rally, and that's that he wants to protect Native American land rights and cares about human trafficking, basically.
But here he ties it to one of his congressional opponents, apparently sponsored by Mark Cuban, and Ron explains, quote, So, if you ever thought it was a genuine concern of his, I hope that puts it to rest.
He's just using it to attack his opponent in the Republican primary, accusing him of being a rhino and, surprisingly, a carpetbagger, which is really rich coming from Ron, who lived in the Philippines and then Japan and then moved back and started this congressional run.
Yeah, I mean, obviously it's not surprisingly shameless, but I suppose it's characteristically shameless.
So after explaining that Ron was combating evil forces by running for Congress and praising his ground game, Peterson then shifted to fundraising for him.
And of course, because Peterson cannot help himself, he also slipped in a Q reference.
Where can they donate?
Let's pick a random number.
17.
My listeners, our listeners, are going to donate $17 to Ron Watkins right now in Arizona running for Congress.
So give them the address and give them the 246.
Alright, so you can donate to my campaign at And $17, that's a great number.
That's a random number.
Yeah, it's quite an auspicious number.
And every penny counts.
We're running a lean campaign.
We're not flush with money.
You know, we're just scrapping by, but we're doing the best that we can with what we got.
And, you know, money is starting to come in more and more.
So hopefully by the time the primary comes along, we'll have raised enough to do some TV ads.
That'd be really fantastic.
I love that because $17 is so little for a campaign.
Maybe say $170 or something.
They couldn't help themselves.
He's gonna tank his campaign because he keeps asking for $17 instead of $50.
That would be a funny result.
Yeah, he's gonna end up with like $740.
Oh my god.
Speaking of money, Ron recently filed the year-end report for his campaign, and it appears that by New Year's Eve 2021, he had collected a bit over $30,000 in contributions.
Holy shit.
He also declared operating costs of $17,000.
I don't even know if that one's a troll.
I just can't, I don't even care anymore.
So the interview ended pretty funnily.
Peterson was like, before we go, where we go one, but then Ron didn't respond.
So Jeffrey just finished it himself.
I guess we don't all go.
If Watkins was in any way related, it's related to Q, there's a great sort of analogy.
For his attitude to cute people?
Yeah.
He did follow up, you know, to end the interview, he went, um, thank you and God bless.
You know, so it's just whatever.
I mean, he's not really conspiracy theory shy.
He's been on Telegram these past months, just absolutely going nuts, asking his followers bullshit Q-style questions like, Was the Omicron variant created using gain-of-function technology, then dropped off in Africa to spread through the world?
He's been comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust, of course, and claiming that, quote, the legal framework and physical infrastructure for concentration camps are being put into place.
Bold, bold statement.
He has not abandoned, of course, the election conspiracy theories either.
I mean, that were, that was basically his bread and butter in the interregnum between the last Q posts and his ban from Twitter.
And on December 17th, and this is for sure, you know, not by mistake, 2021, Ron posted something he called the Clarion's Call.
And it's basically halfway between a Q drop and the 14 words.
Oh, good.
Yeah, but it reads like, like a John Mayer song.
I vow to take the struggle to the... Read it with the Q voice, you lunatic.
I vow to punish the enemies of our Constitution.
Oh my God.
Okay.
I vow to take our struggle to the halls of Congress.
I vow to punish the enemies of our Constitution.
I vow to bring retribution upon the corrupt institutions, killing our family and friends for profit.
I vow to shine the light of truth deep into the eyes of the demons of DC.
I vow to throw a wrench into the political engines that have stolen our God-given rights.
I vow to engage in mortal combat against the satanic mandates.
I vow to put on the whole armor of God and fearlessly stand on the front lines of the
battle between good and evil.
I vow to fight for freedom.
I vow to fight for you with your support and God's great will.
Our crusade against evil will be victorious and we will leave a better America for our
children.
By the way, this kind of went under the radar.
I think like not really many people like picked up that he was doing a troll on December 17th.
But yeah, this post is so clearly his attempt at rocking a Q post.
His telegram broadly reads like a greatest hits of QAnon bullshit.
You know, the vaccine is the mark of the beast.
Globalists are trying to impose it on you.
It's all a communist plot.
His campaign is over the target, etc.
And this is punctuated by fundraising links, media appearances, and like links to bullshit articles or whatever.
But he has held a rally in Prescott, Arizona on February 1st, 2022, where he collected signatures to appear on the ballot in the Republican primary for Arizona's 2nd District.
The flyer for the event, which Ron posted on Telegram, encouraged attendees to bring Trump signs and stated that he'd be giving out campaign merch.
Now, I'm speaking with Haley from Arizona Right Wing Watch.
That's AZ underscore RWW on Twitter.
She attended the event on our behalf.
Welcome to the show, Haley.
Hi, thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure.
You've been doing great work for a while, specifically in Arizona.
And we've kind of, you know, just met up with you at events because we're both covering them.
So it's a pleasure to finally work a little bit together.
Oh yeah, I got kicked out of an event with Travis.
That was fun.
That, well, for Travis who got to stay in, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so speaking of events, you showed up a bit late to this rally, but Ron wasn't even there, so it didn't matter.
So what were the vibes of the crowd forming there?
Yeah, so I was late because there was a fire on the one road up there, so that'll stop traffic for a while.
So I was just sitting around waiting, and there was already like a group of about 30 people there, and you could tell it was people waiting for Ron because there was a guy selling a Frazzledrip shirt.
One of the best shirts I've ever seen.
It's not just Frazzledrip.
It has Frazzledrip, Adrenichrome, HRC, so referencing Hillary.
It says ho.
Yeah, it says ho as well.
I missed that.
Yeah, and then it says save the children.
Hashtag save the children on the side, on the arms.
And in the middle is like one of the most awful looking rabbits that can't even be described as a white rabbit.
Like a kind of gray like edgy rabbit you might see on like a No Fear t-shirt in the 90s.
Yeah.
One of the coolest t-shirts.
I saw you nabbed yourself one of those.
I am deranged, yes.
So this guy's set up like this t-shirt salesman who just likes Ron, I guess, like set up there?
Yeah, I think he was just hanging out because he was talking to Tony Tiore for a while.
Ron's campaign manager slash Alien Leaks partner.
Yes, so yes, for the listener, this guy Tony Tiara wrote a few harebrained books in the kind of comedy sci-fi genre, then he was involved with the Alien League stunt that Ron pulled, and now they have a shitty podcast together called Nerve Center.
And of course, I just found out, he's also Ron's campaign manager, paid an apparent sum of $4,000 a month in the first month that he's working for him or something.
Is that about right?
Yeah the FEC filings just came out for Ron and he didn't make that much but his donations show that like he's paying Tony so Tony's getting paid.
That's good for Tony.
Good for Tony.
He was carrying all the boxes.
That was the thing is that Ron was late so I was sitting around and I thought maybe that big crowd was it.
I thought Ron wasn't gonna show.
Like I thought maybe he was just gonna have people like Collect signatures for him because he needs 2,000 still.
So I was just sitting around waiting and I was like, maybe I'll just talk to some people.
And then as soon as I started to get up to record that Ron Watkins for Congress truck that was driving next to me on the way up, he showed up.
I saw him walking down the plaza and I saw him.
He was walking just a cool Ron in his suit.
Yeah.
And Tony's carrying like two giant boxes of merch that they're handing out.
Incredible.
So Tony's, Tony's earning the money.
He's working.
Oh, yeah.
No, he's a hardworking man.
And he seems that way.
But this truck also like, it's hard to just say, oh, it's a let's go Brandon, you know, pro Ron Watkins truck.
It is a white painted wood panel kind of drilled to the side of this truck.
Yeah, he's from Phoenix, he's from Peoria, and he was at the Trump rally with that truck also.
It's very DIY.
Bare, bare bones and kind of spoke briefly, I guess, to the, the guy who was driving it
and he appeared to be just a supporter of Ron who'd driven there.
Yeah, he's from Phoenix.
He's from Peoria and, um, he was at the Trump rally with that truck also.
I didn't see him and I didn't see Travis post about it.
So, but yeah, so he was there supporting Ron, um, and he drove all the way from Peoria to,
uh, just give his support.
He's a big fan.
There was two guys that seemed like they were pretty actual big fans of Ron and then a lady who got a bunch of merch for her kids and they were all running around in Ron hats.
Oh boy.
Yeah, they were like little, little.
Yeah, because, you know, Ron talked about his daughter briefly.
Yeah, we're going to watch that footage, actually.
Yeah.
You know, I think that was something that a few people in the press might have gotten wrong.
They said, you know, he's childless, he's going to the school district.
Now, it's irrelevant.
His child does not go to school there.
Yeah.
But yeah, he has to kind of address it.
So that was that was interesting to know that he does have a daughter.
OK, so you show up, you know, Ron arrives.
What is the vibe among the crowd?
Are they like, wow?
Oh, they were excited.
As soon as they saw him walk in, that's how I knew it was all for him, finally.
They all started to huddle towards him.
Because if you watch my video, if you look at the speech, it was originally facing another direction.
It was facing the direction of that Ron Watkins for Congress truck.
Right.
And then my video cuts facing the courthouse because, like, he just started talking as soon as the group swarmed him.
Like, he was excited to talk.
But then, like, a media team got there, so we switched over to the courthouse setting so he had, like, a nice backdrop.
And was that an MSM or were they pro-Ron?
No, it was, like, a local news team, like, News 12 or something.
And I bet they weren't asking any questions about QAnon.
Um, no, I think they were just asking about his campaign because I talked to the guy afterwards and he said that he asked him about, um, who was helping him set up the campaign finances for his campaign.
And he said Joel Altman was so.
Oh, great.
Yeah.
That's another name.
Yeah.
He did, uh, speak to Ron recently as well.
Yeah.
Normal guy.
So, okay.
So would you say like everybody was like signing the petition and, and, and how many people overall, like over the two hours were there?
There was only like 30-ish people, you know?
Mostly older people.
1-3% are there.
He had the patches on.
Ron said there were a hundred, so are you saying that's not likely?
I'm gonna say that's a bit of a lie.
And some of the people there, okay, so there was a group of people there that were there like for this thing called Trump Tuesdays.
So every Tuesday a group of people meet on that corner and they just wave flags and it says like Trump Tuesdays on the signs and that's what they do.
So they were already there.
Some people were already there, but the lady that leads it said to me as she was coming up like, oh, we do this every Tuesday, but Ron Watkins is here today.
So she knew.
Okay.
Yeah.
So he was like a guest at something that was already occurring and it still was about 30 people.
Yeah.
It's not like a big thing that occurs.
It's just a group of mostly older ladies that stand on the corner every Tuesday and wave Trump flags and people honk at them.
Amazing.
Arizona.
That's everywhere.
I see that everywhere.
So, you know, his speech was, you know, a lot of pretty boring.
He kind of like dishes on Brnovich.
He's like, maybe he's getting paid so he can go on CNN.
And, you know, I don't think I've seen Brnovich on CNN.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
He's the I mean, he is right wing as hell, like border hardline guy.
And he's the Arizona attorney general.
Right.
Yeah.
The current one.
Yeah.
The guy who used nunchucks to kind of subtly threaten Ron.
No, that's an old meme.
Okay, so Ron says that that's a, that's an attack on him.
That's a reference to an old, he made an old video where he did a nunchuck thing.
So he's just, he's just memeing.
This has nothing to do with Ron.
Yeah, so he does that.
He talks a lot about his opponent's connection to Mark Cuban, the guy from fucking Shark Tank.
Oh yeah, okay.
So he talked about Eli Crane, which is not really his main opponent.
Eli Crane has about as good a chance as Ron does.
Okay.
His main job is making huge bottle openers out of the giant bullets.
You know, the huge bullets.
Look his website up.
It's pretty sick.
Wow.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Okay.
So he was on Shark Tank and the bullet bottle opener is what Mark Cuban funded.
So that's his connections to Mark Cuban.
He explains, he's like, you're small business owners, he tells the crowd, if a billionaire owns 10% of your company, he controls it.
Yeah.
Which doesn't, not how it works, but I would expect at least a 51% if the person wants to have any kind of control over a small business.
So anyways, all that was kind of bullshit anyways.
None of it mattered.
Yeah, because Eli Crane isn't his main opponent in the Republican primary.
It'll be Walt Blackman, who is kind of the favorite.
He's already a Republican here.
He's in the House.
Right.
And he's pretty popular.
But right now the Gateway Pundit is kind of doing these like hit pieces on Walt Blackman, kind of going after him a bit.
So I think they're helping a little bit, Ron.
We have like a local Gateway Pundit reporter here and he's, he'll help Ron, I think.
Was he there?
No, I thought he would be, because I see him at all the, like, the Thrive Time event.
He covered that.
He's at all the, like, a bit more pilled events, you know.
And another recent PR stunt is Ron Watkins' association with the Warrior Healing Center in Sierra Vista, Arizona.
Yeah.
He claims to have done an interview for NBC alongside the guy kind of running it, Colonel Tim Kirk.
And actually, I wanted to kind of just I learned a lot about the PTSD issue and the suicide issue.
where he's talking about this because it's quite comical because Tony Tiore
breaks in like totally unprompted to, you know, explain that Ron gave
gave them some money. Ron, to be clear, gave this Center an eighth of what he
paid Tony for one month of work. So here they are.
I learned a lot about the PTSD issue and the suicide issue.
That's actually so somber and so sad. But we have the great patriots like Colonel
Kirk out there who are really doing a fantastic job for the
veterans.
I hate to interrupt Ron, but... Hi, Tony Chiu, nice to meet you guys.
So, yesterday, when we were talking with the Colonel Tim Kirk, Ron was so like, you know, Like, when he was there, he was just so shook up.
He said, it's so sad to have all these P.T.S.
deaths and suicides.
We haven't raised a lot of money.
We raised only, like, over $30,000.
And he said, we take no dirty money, no lobbyist money.
Iran said, let's give these guys, like, $500 to help them out from the campaign.
So he's giving our campaign money away.
Well, I mean, we had to check the rules first, and the rules said it's okay, so... Thank you.
Thank you.
One clap.
To be clear, it appears that Tony Tiura believes the D in PTSD stands for deaths, because he said P.T.S.
deaths.
So, I mean, I love Tony Tiura because he's, if Ron were to basically troll by associating himself with, you know, maybe the biggest doofus, I mean, very strong Magoo energy with Tiura.
And I think, I just think it's, I don't know, it's clearly a troll.
Like the guy is, Incapable.
He has no experience in any of this.
I know.
There's a very funny moment when he's handing out the free shirts and hats and he's like, take as many as you want.
I mean, you only get one, but he's great.
He is so funny.
He's like, but if you have family members, I guess maybe you can take a second one.
Yeah.
Unclear.
Another thing that Ron addressed was the Cyber Symposium.
So here he was talking about that.
My understanding is the hammer and scorecard stuff is real.
The data that we got, that we saw at the Cyber Symposium, I believe it was 30-some terabytes.
There was just no way to go through and verify all 30 terabytes.
It was just impossible with the amount of time we had and the stuff, the equipment that we had.
But what I did see was there was some data in there related to elections, and there were PCAPs related to elections.
I looked at that and I confirmed, yes, these are PCAPs related to elections.
But I was not able to confirm all 32 terabytes because it's just so much.
And Mike Wendell is a great patriot and I spoke with him a few days ago, I believe it was last week, and he said he was thinking about endorsing the campaign.
I don't know if he will or not, but I surely hope he does.
And I'll let you know, I took zero funds for that Cyber Symposium event.
I did not ask for money.
I did not accept any money.
I did that as a volunteer.
And I was on the red team, and there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes.
I helped out as much as I could with that.
In my opinion, the Cyber Symposium was a success.
And I hope there's another one, and if there is, I hope they invite me back.
So that's interesting because, you know, he wants to keep spreading conspiracy theories.
The hammer and scorecard one is obviously fake.
We've debunked it in the past on the show.
But, you know, that was broadly considered a disaster.
Unfortunately, Ron still has to play nice with Lindell because Lindell's throwing around a lot of money and his endorsement would probably help Ron a little bit to be able to at least afford Tony Tiora's, you know, high prices.
And like I said, his main opponent is Walt Blackman, and he just came out and said he doesn't support decertification, which is their new thing.
So like, they could really kind of go after him on that, you know, to stop the steel crowd.
There was also a moment where a man dressed in a bright print shirt of the American flag with like a giant eagle asked Ron about the death of one of the people involved in the Arizona audit, a guy called Aaron Wagner, yeah.
Yeah, and this is interesting because I think it's like a subtle... they're trying to make him into a Seth Rich.
Yeah, there's some backstory on this that's interesting.
Yeah, so let's listen to what he says first and then you can tell us about that.
Do you have any inside information on Aaron Wagner?
Who was working on the Arizona audit.
So I was friends with Aaron and sadly he passed away a while back.
My understanding is someone posted his death certificate.
My understanding is he passed from COVID.
The timing of his COVID death was, I believe it happened two or three days after he submitted these files to the Arizona Attorney General, Mark Brnovich.
So I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the timing is... Suspicious.
Suspicious is the best.
But the death certificate said COVID-19, so my understanding is he died from COVID.
So it's like, he wants it.
He definitely wants his cake and to eat it too.
Like, no, no, no.
This is definitely suspicious death, but also like, I, the, the death certificate says COVID.
So I believe it's that.
Yeah.
So, uh, Ron posted about this in the past, the death of Aaron Wagner, who was not actually part of the audit.
Um, he was just kind of friends with people who were like pushing the audit.
We the People Alliance, Arizona.
Okay.
Um, he was kind of involved with that group and, um, I think he got COVID in the wave when Cyber Ninjas got COVID.
There was the big, like, uh, the report was delayed because Cyber Ninjas and a bunch of the team got COVID, because he died shortly after that.
And he did die of COVID.
He was a pretty, uh, hefty guy.
He was not vaccinated.
And when that conspiracy first started, when they first started to claim that, um, Brnovich basically killed him.
Some of the people that were in the like pro audit side got mad that there was conspiracies starting to be formed about their friend because he was the guy that was active in the, in the audit scene.
So they were the ones like people in the telegram chats.
in like those AZ Audit Telegram chats were the ones that were disputing what Ron was saying
and posting his death certificate and saying like it was wrong of him
to make conspiracies about their friend.
Wow, that's sad.
Yeah, so Aaron Wagner died of COVID.
It says it on his death certificate.
It's a fact.
His family accepts that he died of COVID, like this is a conspiracy about him.
And they're claiming that Brnovich had him killed, had him bumped off after he presented some evidence about the audit.
Incredible.
Yeah.
Another bullshit claim from Ron is that he cares about native tribes, which compose a segment of the district he's running in.
Yeah.
So here he is answering a woman's question about this.
Are you going to meet with tribal leaders?
I plan to meet with tribal leaders, yes.
I put some feelers out and I'm trying to meet Right now I'm trying to meet with the Navajo Nation, and we know the president of the Navajo Nation is like a fierce Democrat.
He was actually out there, you know, campaigning for HR1, the Democrat, like, steal the federal, like, federal control of the state elections.
It's terrible.
So, I have a feeling that he's not going to be talking to me, so I'm going to be talking with the actual, like, elders of the community.
I'm reaching out to the co-talkers out there, and I'm trying to To set up a meeting with the Code Talkers out in the Navajo Nations.
I've also put feelers out into the other tribal areas.
I've not yet met with any leaders out there, but I plan to over the next few months.
So just to be clear, the Code Talkers that Ron is referencing are a group of Navajo that use the Navajo language to help the American military keep their messages safe from spying during World War II.
Out of 400 men that participated, the AARP said in August 2021, That only four of them were still alive.
Of those four, two are in Arizona, and they're aged 92 and 101.
The former has received the vaccine publicly and encourages everyone to do so as well, so I doubt he's interested in Ron's shit.
So that leaves us with one person, the 101-year-old John Kinzel, and he lives in Lukachukai, Arizona, which is in Arizona's first congressional district, Not where Ron is running in the second.
So this is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time.
So what did you make of his claims?
Because he does have to deal with a certain voting bloc, right?
Yeah, so the district that he's running in, it has a big chunk of the Native reservation on there, the Navajo Nation.
So you have to campaign for them.
They're a pretty big voting bloc in that part of the state of Arizona.
Walt Blackman does the same thing.
He puts out ads about water rights and stuff, stuff they'll never address.
Um, but yeah, like that question came from somebody in the audience.
So it's like, it's an issue that people, you know, care about up there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, what's kind of interesting is that he uses the moment to basically smear the Navajo Nation's leader.
Yeah.
So how are you, how are you going to get them on your side starting like that?
Yeah, and I think they lean pretty blue in the Navajo Nation.
And he's attacking them for supporting voting rights.
It's like, yeah, of course they support voting rights.
It's harder to vote on the reservations.
Of course they want better access to voting.
I mean, it really feels like him just, you know, using Code Talker is him being like, well, I'm going to be appealing to the good World War II era Native Americans.
Yeah.
Of which there is none of them relevant to to his district.
But it is it's sad.
Like it's it's obviously, you know, the the Navajo people in that district deserve better by far than this bullshit.
So there was like this really weird point where like an older woman no doubt part of that kind of Trump Tuesday
thing She asks Ron a question, but she's very quiet. So so here
he is repeating it for the crowd Her question was how am I going to resist lobby lobbyist
money once I get in the Congress?
And how am I going to resist women once I get in the Congress?
[laughter]
That's a good one.
Lobbyist money.
I have not taken any lobbyist money.
I have not met with any lobbyists.
I have no plans to meet with lobbyists.
I have no plans to take lobbyist money.
So that's not an issue.
About women, I have a daughter.
She's four and a half, almost five years old.
But I am divorced.
So I'm single and I'm not out there.
I'm not a womanizer.
I don't even have a girlfriend right now.
I don't have a girlfriend.
I'm just doing this campaign.
He's too busy to have a girlfriend.
12 hours a day.
(laughing)
Gross.
Yeah, this coming from the guy who plays porn like in his car on a TV.
And you know, I mean, there's just no comment on that stuff.
What's interesting is that at the same time, there's this bunch of kids that were clearly there
on like a day trip with some school supervisors or something.
Yeah, there was just like one dude supervising them and they were running all over the place
screaming it was great.
Absolutely.
Drowning him out a bunch of times.
Good job, kids.
And so they kind of come over and you know, the first kid asks like a classic kind of question,
like why would you run for Congress?
'Cause the guy taking care of them is pointing to Ron and being like, look, this is small town politics.
It works, kids.
Don't interrupt, like that's a congressional candidate.
Doesn't realize he's literally talking about the guy behind Q.
You can hear him say later, like as I pass by him, like we did civics today, kids.
Oh, no!
But then once, like, the second kid, who's a bit older, is like, what party are you representing?
He's like, I'm Republican.
I support Trump.
And then all the kids start just streaming away, like, immediately after.
Ron asks a young girl if she wants her picture and she just stands there frozen and then eventually leaves.
Um, it was just so, I don't know, you spent like two hours at this thing.
I mean, what was your feel and was there anything else you wanted to talk about that happened?
Um, yeah, it was just like that group of like 30-ish people like hanging out the whole time just listening to what Ron had to say.
They were totally fans.
Like everybody wanted a photo with Ron.
It was more like a Ron photo op meetup, you know?
And they just had his petition there to sign it, but it's just like 30 people and not that many.
Yeah.
So you think he got about 30 signatures there?
Yeah.
Damn.
Probably walked around the area and got another 10, but nothing impressive.
He needs 2000 at least.
And they need more than that because they checked the signatures.
So who knows if he'll even make it on the ballot.
I'm sure they'll do more of these, but.
Yeah, he mentions kind of sticking around Prescott and doing more of these towards the end there.
Cause I saw him at the Trump rally and like him and his, uh, a different guy in a code monkey shirt were like telling people to vote for him for Congress, but they didn't have clipboards or anything.
So they're not very organized.
Yeah, no, it doesn't seem that way.
Like the Trump rally would have been the best place to do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And maybe, maybe he will.
I don't know if the, but yeah, especially the Arizona one.
Yeah.
It almost feels like he's running as a troll.
Um, just cause it's another platform to share stuff and grow his telegram and.
Yeah.
And his FEC filings weren't that impressive.
No, but at least now, like, people in part of the mainstream media that's too lazy to look him up will just be like, former congressional candidate, you know, pro-Trump, instead of owner of 8coon, possible man behind Q, which is, you know, a little less flattering.
Because I did notice nobody there protesting, nobody asking him questions about Q or QAnon, right?
No.
It's Prescott Valley, so not too many people will protest anyway.
Pretty MAGA country.
I mean, they have Trump Tuesdays.
Yeah, I'm more of a Wings Wednesday guy, but damn.
And so it just kind of dissolved after a while.
Like what, what happened?
Um, yeah, so he gave his speech, took the questions and everybody just kind of signed his stuff, took the free hats and shirts and left.
The news team stuck around and was asking him questions.
And so I took off.
There we go.
Um, not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Yeah.
So, yeah, thanks so much for attending this, Haley.
Where can people follow you and check out your work?
You can just find me on Twitter at ArizonaRightWingWatch.
That's A-Z underscore R-W-W.
I write for Left Coast now, Left Coast Right Watch now, so you should support them too.
Go check it out, folks.
So yeah, thanks so much again for speaking to me today, Hayley.
Oh yeah, thank you for having me.
It's just like, it's exhausting to watch.
I don't know what else to say other than that.
Yeah, it's just the sad drippings of a troll sort of leaking out of the pages of the internet.
It doesn't quite work as well out in the real world.
It's like when the Toons escape from Toontown and they're sort of in the 3D world and they look kind of weird and things go wrong.
I don't know.
It's unsettling and honestly I'm just kind of bored of Ron Watkins' antics.
Do you think he, like, has any... does he have actual political ambitions?
Or is this just, like, all self-promotion, do you think?
It's just about, like, keeping his name in the kind of headlines, so to speak?
It could be both.
Yeah, I don't, I mean it could be, I don't know, I really don't think he has like really, you know, core values that he really believes in besides himself.
I think he does have core values and they are red pill the normies.
Eventually it's an anti-semitic red pill for him.
It's very much, you know, we're gonna to change America, you know, to secure our children's
future kind of stuff.
And yeah, you know, communists, like anti-trans stuff, communist panic stuff, like that's
what he wants.
That's what him and his dad want.
Yeah, they want to take the bullshit that they, you know, joke about or talk about in
the, in the, you know, the halls of the 8chan offices and deliver it on a mass scale.
I mean, I could see it also as a sort of like a Trump 2016 thing where he's doing it to
kind of raise, you know, raise his sort of profile without actually really wanting to
actually have to do the job.
And I mean, you know, if history is any indicator, that means he'll most likely get elected and then we'll have somebody who A, doesn't want to be there.
B, whose moral compass is completely corrupt.
And see whose sole purpose is to, you know, radicalize, you know, radicalize the normies.
The better question is why the fuck is Vincent Fusca running for Congress?
That's more mysterious to me than Ron's shitty mind.
Uh, to continue the legacy of the Kennedys, obviously.
Yes, Travis, I think you're right.
It would be great to have another Kennedy back in Congress.
I love the idea that, like, he is, like, you know, he is JFK Jr., but he hasn't revealed it.
Like, he's running for Congress on his, like, cover name.
Yeah.
I mean, he's got his hat shop.
Yeah, he doesn't want to benefit from nepotism.
It's like when Cage changed his last name.
He can't bang his way through, like, D-list GOP circuits once he's officially, you know, the president.
I mean, that's gonna be a Bill Clinton-level scandal.
Yeah, I think he's probably smarter than we give him credit for, and he's realizing that, you know, the sort of JFK Jr.
persona doesn't really match too well with a hat and balloon shop.
We're getting blowjobs in a van pasted with Trump decals?
I think maybe in his head he's like, well if I'm actually in Congress then the JFK Jr.
thing will go a lot further because I'll actually be a politician as opposed to just a lowly hat balloon and cotton candy merchant outside the rallies.
Canadian Convoy.
Highway to Heaven.
A small minority of Canadian truck drivers have protested new mandates requiring any trucker crossing the border into America to be vaccinated.
They vowed to truck across Canada to the country's capital, Ottawa, and protest the federal government directly.
While only 500 or so truckers actually joined the movement as it was making its way across Canada, their arrival in Ottawa has sparked a fairly large protest in our capital.
Not about the cross-country vaccine mandate, but about mandates and lockdowns in general.
Now it's important to note that a cross-Canada truck to Ottawa is not a particularly new phenomenon for protesters.
Holy shit!
Oh my god!
1933, during the Great Depression, workers protesting awful conditions in relief camps
in Vancouver, so, you know, the west coast, decided to take their labor demands directly
to the country's capital. While the group only made it to Saskatchewan, where they were
ambushed by the RCMP who shot at them with live ammunition, the fallout essentially destroyed
the conservative government that had facilitated it.
Wow. So they're like Mad Max stopping convoys already in Canada.
Yeah, yeah.
Cool, cool.
I'm imagining like the RCMPs on like long poles, you know, going back and forth like, you know, the Cirque du Soleil performers like jumping onto the trucks.
For the Queen!
Witness me!
Yeah, that's the weird combination with RCMPs because they're literally mounties, right?
Like on horses, which is incredibly comical, but they're also like, you know, a brutal ring of like a oppressive colonial settler state.
They also have a lust for blood.
Yeah, like puts down indigenous protesters and labor strikes.
They have to build like a horse mounted mech and then it could like lasso an entire convoy truck that would then transform, obviously, into a transformer and fight it in Ottawa.
As a result of the 1933 movement's success, at least to a certain respect, there have been many protest movements that fight against decisions made by the federal government that essentially follow a similar pattern of the Onto Ottawa Trek.
Yet there are obviously many differences between the so-called Freedom Convoys that made it to Ottawa recently, resisting vaccine mandates, and the group of hyper-exploited labourers in 1933.
One of the main differences is that the 1933 group actually had a large degree of public support for their cause.
It turns out that most Canadian truckers do not even support this niche movement, with about 85% of them, so about the same as the national average, being already vaccinated before the mandate took effect.
This means the mandate would only affect 20 or so thousand people.
The Canadian Trucking Alliance, a federal trucking association, issued a statement saying that it's strongly disapproved of the movement, while the Atlantic Trucking Association did the same.
Their statements essentially say, like, do not associate truckers with whatever's going on right now.
Yeah.
Very few truckers actually participating in this.
I could see you becoming the host of, like, a Canadian trucking update show just based on this.
Look, trucking simulator is fun.
I want to know how I can upgrade to the where we go one, we go all scheme.
The lack of support extends to the Canadian population more broadly.
With 80% of the adult population being fully vaccinated.
Furthermore, according to an Ipsos poll at least, 80% of Canadians support vaccine mandates for federal public servants.
There was also another poll recently that showed that about 25% of the general population specifically supported this movement.
Although, that poll was before they reached Ottawa and the protests happened in Ottawa, which is a different story.
That we'll get to in a second.
Given the lack of public support, the ongoing protests that the Freedom Convoy sparked in Ottawa has drawn in a group of people that are not particularly good at optics.
As an example, there was a statue of Terry Fox, who if you don't know is a national hero who ran across Canada to raise funds for cancer research, being desecrated with a mandate freedom sign being placed in his hand.
Oh no, I've actually participated in a Terry Fox run with my school.
This is bad.
Bad truckers.
Anyone who's grown up in Canada has had to run their school every year.
That's right.
Absolutely.
He's your, um, he's your Forrest Gump.
I heard, yeah.
The protesters in Ottawa also supposedly desecrated the National War Memorial and the Tomb of
the Unknown Soldier in a similar manner.
I believe one of them peed on the war monument, which like... That's a mistake.
Come on, guys.
Haunted for life.
There is no vengeful spirit like the Unknown Soldier.
Everybody knows this.
It costs nothing not to pee on the team of the Unknown Soldier.
Methinks based?
Julian!
If I speak I am in big trouble.
You hear it here, we're censoring Liv by making me say it.
The protest in Ottawa that has been sparked by the truckers arriving in the city has been going on for a few days now, so from January 29th to at least February 1st, and according to Ottawa police has about 10,000 people participating in it.
Essentially everyone I know in Ottawa is genuinely terrified of leaving their homes for fear of, you know, anti-maskers, white supremacists harassing them.
These protesters have, besides defacing a few statues, done things such as forcing a homeless shelter to give them food, where they justify it by saying technically they don't have a home in Ottawa, so they are homeless.
That was their public justification.
Wow, so they realize the importance of social services.
Interesting.
Some of them have been donning Nazi and Confederate flags, blocking a large degree of traffic in the city center.
And the police response to these protests has been quite tame, especially when considering the amount of violence that the police used when indigenous protesters blocked a small fraction of the traffic that these anti-vaccine protesters have been doing within Ottawa.
The crackdown was quite brutal.
There was a quote-unquote solidarity protest in Alberta that I believe is still ongoing that is essentially blocking one of the main arteries between Alberta and America.
I didn't include the video because it's not very telling, but you look at like the cops essentially just like being very friendly with the protesters.
We're like, when indigenous people do that, they're brutally sort of cracked down upon.
Yeah, we don't even need to look at the larger protest movement that the Freedom Convoy inspired to find some extremely bad guys.
So it's not as if this movement simply began with, you know, a few okay truckers who had bad opinions on the vaccine.
and expanded into fringe groups. The initial organization of the convoy of truckers was
quite connected to Wexit and the Albertan Yellow Vest Copycat movement. Here is a clip
of Patrick King, an organizer of the Albertan Yellow Vest movement and an individual who is
listed on the Facebook page for the Freedom Convoy as a crucial organizer for it. "Now what it is,
is it's the part of the depopulation and a lot of people don't understand what that means and
what there is, is there's an end game. It's called depopulation of the Caucasian race or the Anglo-Saxon."
And that's what the goal is, is to depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race.
Because they are the ones with the strongest bloodlines.
And we'll leave it at that because then we get into a whole different topic, but it's a depopulation of race.
Oh, yeah, that's what they want to do.
I've spoken before about how we have Ahmed Abdimajad or Mahmoud.
I can't say their names very well because I don't have the the dialect that they do but we have Mahmoud Abdimajad who states that No matter what, we are going to infiltrate government's education systems.
We're going to infiltrate every way possible into the Western world.
What we're going to do is not only infiltrate by flooding with refugees, we're going to infiltrate the education systems to manipulate it to endorse this kind of behavior.
This kind of behavior then endorses less procreation all right so the less procreation the less white people or you know anglo-saxon let's say anglo-saxon because when i say white all all the antifa guys call up the race card so we're going to call ourselves anglo-saxon
Anglo-Saxon is way better.
All those Antifa guys are like, whoa, Anglo-Saxon?
I don't know what that means.
I want to call him racist so badly, but I can't because he said Anglo-Saxon and not white.
So true.
Very considerate of him.
And why is he worried about, I mean, you're basically parroting Nazi rhetoric here.
Why are you worried about what Antifa is going to say about you?
Yeah.
I don't know.
He's doing like sovereign citizen stuff for racism.
Yes.
Hey bud, look, I'm in the middle of a race war, but I really don't want the Antifa guys coming after me on the internet, you know?
Gotta look out for optics there, bud.
Also, finally a Canadian identifies the true enemy to Canada, the President of Iran.
The former president, who's not been president for like seven years when this has been recorded.
That is so good.
He's like, what's the only Arab name I remember from the news?
He's just like, you know that Mahmoud?
You know that Mahmoud?
Hey listen, I don't know any of the dialect.
Does he think Arabic is like a dialect or Farsi is like a dialect of English?
You know, that accent, you know, that they have over there.
I can't pronounce his name, but I do know he's plotting to make white people less horny.
He doesn't want you to fuck!
He keeps appearing in my dreams and wagging his finger while I'm trying to get it on!
Every time two white people have sex, Ahmadinejad is crying in heaven.
(laughing)
It's important to note also that that was before the pandemic.
So 2019, he was saying that type of thing.
So, you know, this type of rhetoric in these sort of general movements related to Wexit and the Yellow Vest movement, and now the trucker stuff has gotten even worse.
As an example of it getting worse, here is Derek Harrison, a neo-Nazi blogger who is participating in the Ottawa protest, talking about them about a week ago.
Well, I got some special videos for tomorrow night, but yeah, fucking A guys.
Let's get pumped for this.
Let's go to fucking Ottawa.
I want to see one of those truckers.
I wouldn't prize none of our guys, obviously, but I would like to see our own January 6th event.
See some of those truckers plow right through that 16 foot wall.
None of us, of course.
I just like to see it.
There's going to come a point in time where you're going to look back and be like, You're telling your children, like, were you there on this day in Canadian history?
Dude, when he said not us, he then took a half-smoked cigarette and relit it.
You cannot invent Canada, I love it.
Fuckin' A, guys.
Let's go to the Beer Hall Pudge.
Let's go to jail.
Well, not us, you know, not us, but like, I'd love to watch that shit on TV.
I love that too because like, how stupid you have to be to look at January 6th and be like, that's what we need for our movement.
It's something like that.
Yeah, it's like, you know what?
I'm looking around, buds, and you know what?
I see a lot of patriots still free on the streets and not locked up in jail.
It's also important to note that this Derek Harrison guy is not particularly niche insofar as Maxime Bernier, the head of the growing anti-vax, anti-immigrant far-right party, has gone on a show a few months ago.
Oh man.
Wow.
For those of you who don't know, Bernier is the leader of the People's Party of Canada, or PPC, which is a very new party, only registering for the 2019 and 2021 elections, that is growing rapidly in popularity.
In the 2019 election, they gained 294,000 votes, so about 1.6% of the total.
94,000 votes, so about 1.6% of the total.
But in 2021, they had 840,000 votes, so up to 4.49%.
While they have not gained a single seat, because that requires like a majority
or plurality in a district, and therefore have no power in government,
their rise to prominence is still quite unprecedented Their party platform is explicitly anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, anti-lockdown, and many of the candidates they ran in the last election explicitly endorsed white supremacist talking points like the Great Replacement and believe absurd anti-vax theories such as that 5G causes coronavirus, that the mandates are an attempt to accomplish a Great Reset, and also that if you retain your semen you become more powerful.
Yeah, I love that guy.
Which is the best one, yeah.
He's powerful.
He's right about that, honestly.
Yeah, he's the guy where semen retention warriors came from in my vocabulary.
Right, that's a powerful phrase.
It is.
You know what you have to do to become powerful enough to make that phrase?
Retain your semen.
Retain, absolutely.
Maxime Bernier openly supports the so-called freedom convoys.
Speaking at an event on the 29th of January and criticizing O'Toole, the real name of the leader of the Conservative Party, so, you know, official opposition to Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party, for not showing up to meet with the protesters.
Now, O'Toole and the Conservative Party more broadly have been stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of appealing to their rapidly splitting voter base.
The majority of Conservative voters being quote-unquote respectable Conservatives who love civility and abhor the fact that the People's Party of Canada is saying the quiet part out loud.
This group is generally not fond of Trump and uses Trump's rise to power in the South as a reason for why Canada is better than America.
Then there's the increasingly radicalized group who want a Canadian Donald Trump.
These people are tired of liberal governance and critique it in the same way that Trump supporters down South hate Hillary Clinton and now Biden.
This more radicalized group is entirely plugged into the far-right American media sphere, repeating the same conspiracy talking points that are analyzed on this podcast by Americans.
You know, Great Reset, 5G causes COVID, The Liberal Party are pedophiles and Satan worshippers, etc.
This radicalized group is getting larger, pulling in more and more from the quote-unquote respectable conservative group, as well as from elsewhere.
A lot of, like, Green Party hippies are essentially going into People's Party of Canada now.
Wow.
O'Toole realizes that in order to win, he cannot alienate either of these two ostensibly opposed groups, which explains why O'Toole's statements about the so-called Freedom Convoy have been so difficult to pin down.
As I mentioned before, the more radical right-wing PPC leader, Bernier, condemned O'Toole for initially not wanting to meet with the Freedom Convoy when it got to the capital city of Ottawa.
On January 24th, O'Toole condemned the Freedom Convoy, saying that vaccinated truckers are essential for the Canadian economy during a time of crisis.
Several of your MPs have tweeted out support for the convoy.
One of them saying that he felt the Prime Minister had a vendetta against people who were unvaccinated.
Do you support the convoy, its goals, its objectives, even though the Canadian Trucking Alliance says it could be disruptive?
And to follow, again, repeat Louis's question, will you meet with them when they come to Ottawa?
We've been talking to the Canadian Truckers Alliance, Glenn, for several months.
We've seen a crisis in the supply chain coming for several months and we've proposed policies to try and help alleviate that.
The most important of which is vaccines.
And we encourage everyone to get vaccinated and to get boosted.
And how can we use those tools alongside the other tools to make sure that we don't see shortages on grocery store shelves?
Because here's the reality.
When there's a shortage of products, the costs go up, and Canadians are already 60% worried about paying their grocery bill.
So we can't have policies that make that even worse, and we can't raise taxes.
So that's what we've been advocating for responsibly the last few months, Glenn, is to try and tackle the supply chain crisis, encourage vaccination, not ignore problems and divide the country like Mr. Trudeau does.
You didn't answer my question.
Yes I did, Glenn.
Vaccines are a critical tool and we need to make sure we keep store shelves full.
to make sure we keep store shelves full.
The government was floating whether they could actually change their policy to address the supply chain shortage, and they decided not to.
I've always said, getting vaccination levels up, but also using rapid tests and other tools to make sure products get to store shelves, that's what a government needs to do, and that's what we'll continue to advocate for.
My question is about the supply chain.
One of your MPs tweeted out a photograph purporting to be empty grocery store shelves in Canada.
Turns out it was actually from the UK several years ago.
When things like that happen, does that undermine your party's credibility on this issue?
Well, we've been talking about shortages for some time.
So has the Canadian Chamber of Commerce.
We've been sent photos from people's stores and people have been anecdotally saying it.
I've seen a bit of it myself.
Wow.
Slippery, slippery little eel.
Oh yeah.
He's the definition of O'Toole responding to stuff is like having to navigate those two support groups and just like being slippery, basically.
That's tough.
I feel bad for him.
Oh, it's an impossible circle to square, which is really funny.
And speaking of him being slippery, a few days later, on the 27th, so that clip was on the 24th, O'Toole released an ad condemning the bilateral vaccine mandate.
Do you know what vegetables grow really well at minus 30?
None of them.
Canada is a trading nation.
If you own it, a trucker delivered it.
You probably noticed some empty shelves at your grocery store.
That's because Justin Trudeau put in place a mandate that all truckers entering this country, either Canadian or American, have to be fully vaccinated.
If Trudeau's attack on truckers is allowed to continue, tens of thousands will be unable to work.
And more than that, grocery prices will become even more expensive, while fruit and vegetables rot in American warehouses, unable to get to Canada.
The produce that will be able to get to Canada will see their shipping costs skyrocket by 25% and Canadian families and small businesses will be the ones ultimately paying Trudeau's bill.
Two years ago, truckers were crossing the border between Canada and the U.S.
when no one else was allowed, when no one else would.
They're often the unsung heroes of the essential services.
Drivers are still active and moving supplies during a pandemic, but they face some unique challenges.
In the face of a new disease and all the There's no way around it.
Fast forward to today and Justin Trudeau is demonizing many of those truckers and threatening both our economy and our food supply all to distract from his inflation crisis and his failures on COVID.
Now there's a convoy of truckers on a cross-country protest to draw attention to how unfair this mandate is to them.
The freedom to peacefully assemble, to protest, We're really, really alienating big pockets of our population with some of these mandates.
And whether it's justified or not, it's hard to say.
Whenever a policy is being implemented, I think we have to ask ourselves, what's the goal here?
Like, what are you actually trying to do?
That's probably one of the most important aspects to question when you're making policy.
And sadly, I think sometimes that gets lost.
This policy against truckers is an attack on common sense.
And it's an attack on every Canadian's household budget.
Canadians deserve access to affordable food.
Truckers have been our COVID heroes.
Period.
Canada doesn't function as a trading nation without them.
Pitting Canadians against one another is un-Canadian.
But just watch as Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party try to demonize these hard-working men and women.
But that's how it is in Justin Trudeau's Canada.
You're only a hero if you agree with the Trudeau Liberals.
It's really important that you share this video.
A big red thing in the middle that just says, share this video!
For all of the 90 year olds on Facebook that are like, oh, let me click the share button, I guess.
But yeah, this video is obviously absurd for a couple reasons.
You know, the trucker vaccine mandate hadn't taken effect by January 27th, so, you know, couldn't have affected lack of food supply.
It also does not affect 85% of truckers who are already vaccinated, you know.
But this is O'Toole's attempt at taking the side of the increasingly radical portion of his voter base who support the truckers while also maintaining that vaccination is itself good.
On the 28th, so a day after this video is released, he would meet up with some of the truckers in the Freedom Convoy while supposedly disavowing the more extreme elements of the group.
As we can see, the support for the Freedom Convoy has been relatively minimal within Canada, at least initially.
So, why has it become so significant?
It seems like most of the discussion about this wasn't actually related to truckers themselves, but people who showed up in quote-unquote support for the truckers.
Like most of Canadian politics, it has been entirely affected by what Americans have to say about it.
With the entire right-wing media sphere in America banding together to support the Chuckers on their trip to Ottawa.
From Laura Ingraham on Fox News supporting them, to Joe Rogan saying Canada isn't revolt, To Elon Musk tweeting, Canadian truckers rule.
To even Donald Trump supporting them in a statement.
The truckers became a part of the American culture war against mandates.
Is this sort of a good example of the internationalist nationalism that we're seeing quite commonly among the far right of recent?
You know, with anti-Joe Biden nationalists in America supporting Canadian truckers resisting a vaccine mandate that affects international trade.
I would argue that the American coverage of this issue made it dramatically larger than it would have been otherwise, even for those within Canada itself, as most of the radicalized far-right voting flock I was talking about before get most of their news from American far-right media sources.
We can see evidence of this by the fact that confederate flags were and are being waved at the Freedom Convoy protests in Ottawa.
Okay.
Remarkable.
Yeah, you know the anti-vaxxers here in the UK are doing their own copycat convoy today, I think they said they were going to do it.
Oh my god.
It's a bit weird though because none of them are truckers, they're just driving their cars.
They call it the lorry lump.
The lorry lump is coming!
A little note from me, Liv Agar.
After the fact, I think this is three days after we recorded this, Artul has been ousted as the Conservative Party leader.
With a vote that happened this Wednesday on the 3rd, with 118 members of parliament voting, 73 of them voted to replace him.
And so he is gone.
He submitted his formal resignation and it is effective immediately.
So he fucked up so bad on this one, he basically got cooed.
So we'll see.
The future of the Conservative Party will probably look closer to Trump's Republican Party in a couple years.
That's pretty much what Conservative MPs are basically telling us here, is that O'Toole is too much of a pussy and is unable to take a side on these types of issues because of his party splitting.
Basically just pretending that the split isn't happening and trying to mend an irreconcilable difference.
Anyways, back to the recording.
Well, thank you so much, Liv.
I know that your opinion, obviously, of the Truckers is very low right now, but could I present to you an American guy who goes by Marine Rapper that might change your mind with his music?
Specifically the song called Freedom Convoy.
Absolutely.
I insist on playing because it changed my mind.
[Music]
So, what do you miss?
Weren't Canadian troops overseas fighting for freedoms?
I guess we need a Freedom Convoy.
This for my folks in the North.
Truckers, Canadians.
This for my folks in the North.
Truckers who are putting food on our grocery store shelves.
Freedom Convoy.
Some of them paid full cost.
Never can pay them back.
I can remember we was deployed in the desert.
They were my brother.
They were my brother.
They stick their neck out for USA Troops and whoever.
Don't let anything that's happened in Canada know that I got you forever.
I mean it.
Look in the Reaper's eyes.
Gotta survive.
We got to save our life.
All of us just GIs.
Sign that line.
Die for our countryside.
They fought for your life.
Side by side.
Pa-pa-pa-paya.
Just to come back to divide.
Hear Trudeau.
Tell him how to run they lives.
All of this programming sucks.
That's why they call it the vaccine.
Tell them enough is enough, government has been so taxing.
Freedom convoy with the trucks, nothing but Canada flagsting.
That's not true.
They need to blow with the guns to be sure that we're lasting.
Soldiers I'll never forget, still got the popular side of my church.
Kiss for Canadian troopers who left, fight for your freedom till I lose my breath.
Boxing and getting a check, hire the dog and they shoot in the bed.
How are you sick when they're boosting the checks?
Trudeau is the same as Biden and US.
That's a beautiful song about international cooperation.
That's right.
I also like how he's just like, Oh yeah, Canadian soldiers fought with me.
So therefore I just like, I support anything Canadians do now.
I remember, uh, you know, with my Canadian brethren creating crossfire, uh, on a man and his daughter going to the market and, uh, yeah, they were, uh, eliminated with extreme prejudice.
So these truckers are good folks.
We did the highway of death together.
What bad could they do?
Yeah.
I've been in helicopters with Canadian brethren looking down and dropping shit.
Yeah, look, he was driving through the 6 with his trucks.
Nice.
My god.
That's so dumb.
Also, this rap song is a complete rip-off of the Desiigner song, Panda.
You know, the Black Eyed Six, Phantom.
What is it?
Looked like a panda.
You know that song, you guys?
It's like basically the same exact flow.
So, man, stop ripping off Desiigner.
This is like evil pop smoke.
Maybe you and Liv's podcast is gonna be cool.
Now I can see some kind of crossover.
Me and Liv's podcast is gonna be, it's gonna be bigger than Chopo.
It's, it's...
One self-aware millennial of his faults and a Gen Z-er explaining why those faults suck.
I mean, who doesn't want to listen to that?
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A-G-A-R.
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Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you.
I'm sure that was better on recording than in the call.
We'll see.
Yeah, I'm sure that sounded really good.
It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.
And now, today's Auto-Q.
A lot of guys are still sleeping.
Guys, they're We've passed so many trucks where guys are sleeping.
We've got guys outside.
They're making themselves breakfast.
Making themselves lunch.
These truckers can't sit in their trucks all day.
They do need to get out.
They do need to stretch their legs.
Yeah, it is a little bit cold for them.
But they're out here.
They do a couple little laps.
Small ones.
They stretch their legs.
They stretch their arms.
They're doing whatever the hell they can.
I need to see that sign, brother!
Show us your tits for freedom.
Hell fucking yeah, brother!
Hell yeah!
Amazing.
Guys.
Oh yeah, let's go.
They're playing road hockey over here.
Tell me you're Canadian over there.
Tell me you're Canadian.
We're in the middle of winter.
We're in a protest.
We're in a convoy.
These guys brought out the fucking hockey nets.
These guys are playing hockey in the middle of the streets.
