Episode 93: The Church of QAnon featuring Marc-André Argentino
They're trying to foster "mole children". They're attending religious services by the hundreds. We are in uncharted territories here: a church founded on QAnon beliefs and Dominionist Christianity. Our guest is Marc-André Argentino, a PhD candidate studying conspiracy theory radicalization who attended their services undercover for 3 months.
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I am 100% behind Q. He's working for the president, he's working for our country.
Alien life, like pedophiles, you know, and it just seeks to tie all of that together.
Welcome, listener, to the 93rd chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Church of QAnon episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokotansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
If you've been with us for a bit, you've probably noticed that a large number of QAnon followers also happen to be evangelical Protestants.
Now, that isn't a coincidence.
Their favorite conspiracy theory is laden with Christian symbolism and language, albeit frequently warped to convey petty grievances or mislead entirely.
The phrase God wins, for example, appears in six separate Q-drops, sometimes alone and without context.
And the term Great Awakening originally refers to the period of religious revival in the American Christian movement of the 1730s.
So it makes sense, then, that most major QAnon promoters profess religious beliefs, and others even take it further.
One good example is Dave Hayes, aka Praying Medic, an ex-paramedic, now born-again Christian who claims to wield healing powers by channeling God.
Dave's book titles run the QAnon to Evangelical gamut, his latest endeavor, Calm Before the Storm, Q Chronicles, Rings different from mainstays like My Craziest Adventures with God, Volume 1 and 2.
So, it's nothing new that Evangelical Protestantism plays a big part in QAnon's drops and the culture they've created.
We already know that QAnon followers hold religious beliefs.
But one thing we'd never seen until recently is a religious sect overtly created to marry QAnon with Evangelical Christianity.
And, unfortunately, this week we are covering exactly that.
The Omega Kingdom Ministry, run by Indiana resident Russ Wagner, who also runs a very lovely antiques shop with his wife.
Oh, I'd like to visit there.
He advertises it on Twitter alongside this QAnon church that he's running.
So he wants to, quote, expand the borders of the kingdom of Christ.
That's the entire about on YouTube.
And...
He wants to do that by helping you to Equip the Ecclesia.
Now that's Equip with a capital Q and Ecclesia is spelled E-double-K-L-E-S-I-A.
So this week we've got Marc-Andre Argentino on the show.
He's a PhD candidate from Concordia who studies QAnon and he's been attending the online services of the Omega Kingdom ministry for a little while now.
So, after Travis attempts to explain this church to us, we'll be getting an insider's view of the very first religious sect to integrate QAnon directly into their teachings.
But before all that...
The big story this week, QAnon follower Jo Rae Perkins wins the Republican Senate primary in Oregon.
Queen.
Super exciting stuff.
Wow.
Beautiful stuff.
Wow.
Definitely the biggest nomination secured by a QAnon follower to date.
So it does mean that Jo Rae Perkins is going to run against the Democratic incumbent in the election in November, but she has basically no chance of winning.
That's what they said about Trump.
Yeah, I suppose so.
Joe Ray Perkins.
Is she running for Senate?
She's now past the primary.
Was she running against other GOP candidates?
Yes, she beat all of her other Republican opponents.
The Republicans of Oregon decided that she best represents their interests.
That's so funny.
Republicans now are like, They're like, we've had a little taste, and it's not good enough.
We want QAnon.
That's the version of the ideology that they want the most.
I don't want to say anything bad about Oregon, but I think they all have moss poisoning, and various forms of poison ivy stuck in their brain.
Now, she joins five other QAnon candidates whose name will appear on the ballot in November.
Now, what's really extraordinary about Perkins is that she is just an extremely out-and-proud QAnon follower.
This isn't someone who just typed, wherever you go one, we go all on a couple tweets like a year ago or something.
She talks about it constantly.
In fact, she recently tweeted out a video of her saying that she stands with Q and the team.
Hi, my name is Jo Rae Perkins, candidate for the U.S.
Senate in Oregon.
Pretty straightforward.
Yeah, it's about as straightforward as you get in terms of supporting QAnon.
She's holding up, like, a circular bumper sticker as well.
patriots and together we can save our republic. Pretty straightforward. Yeah, yeah it's about
as straightforward as you get in terms of supporting QAnon.
She's holding up like a circular bumper sticker as well. Yeah, this is where we go
when we go while she is. It says QAnon It says QAnon, yeah.
Unambiguous.
I mean, the only other thing that she could have done maybe is have one of those like big foam hands, you know, with a Q on it, waving it back and forth.
I mean, come on now.
We've seen face paint.
We've seen children entirely dressed up as QAnon themed superheroes.
This is low effort.
Now, the Oregon Republican Party issued a lukewarm statement in support of Perkins, which said this.
By virtue of being the GOP nominee, this is what we do.
Support them in winning the general election.
Wow.
You can feel the enthusiasm.
You know what?
This is what we do.
Support somebody that believes in a fake spy on the internet.
This is what we do now.
Here we are and... Who I am.
This is what I knew I would be since I was little.
This is what I've become.
The Republicans treat QAnon people the same way the Democrats treat Bernie, basically.
Yes, yes, exactly.
There's like no difference.
Which tells you how they see Bernie.
Now, shortly after Jo Rae Perkins secured the nomination, she actually deleted that video you just heard.
Her campaign then issued a statement that seemed to distance herself from QAnon.
And here's what that statement said.
I'm disheartened that less than 24 hours after my win, my words were already being spun through the fake news machine and taken out of context.
I was not endorsing Q slash-a-non.
But rather stating that I appreciate the fact that there is still free speech in this country that allows for voices, including whistleblowers from both sides of the aisle, that may or may not bring to light issues Americans need to be aware of.
Yeah.
Whistleblowers like Q. Yeah.
Who's blowing the whistle.
Who may or may not bring issues to light.
May or may not.
May not.
I'm just saying.
I'm just bringing up the topic.
May or may not.
Or could or could not.
What is this?
Where am I?
To be very clear, I do not believe everything from Q slash Anon.
Why is she writing it like Q slash- She's doing it on purpose to make it seem- No, actually, the reason is that someone on her staff wrote this statement and she just signed off on it.
Oh, yeah.
This isn't directly from her.
So about someone who was like, QAnon thing.
She tried to phrase it in a way she wasn't- whoever wrote this is apparently not really familiar with how QAnon- But who on her staff is not going to know QAnon?
Jake, we all put up with held parents and shit like that.
I mean, I feel like that's how the aides view this woman.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
They're like, ah, she's, you know, she's a little weird.
Okay, so she says, to go back, she says, to be very clear, I do not believe everything from Q slash anon and would never describe myself as a follower.
But I also do not believe in infringing upon any outlet's rights to discuss news or topics.
This is the same as those on the left who read what Julian Assange or George Soros or Bill Gates says.
Or writes, for that matter.
What the fuck is George Soros writing, by the way?
George Soros is propped up on a fucking throne of swords somewhere.
He doesn't say much.
He's got a big hood over his head.
He's not saying or doing anything.
He's not writing anything.
The left is not waiting for his writings.
Yeah, we're not desperate for the next Soros book.
You cannot stop reading Bill Gates, one of the premier theoreticians.
Yeah, I'm reading his fucking operating system while trying to just get to Fallout 76.
That's what I'm reading from Bill Gates.
That's so true.
We mostly read buttons, and they're all part of Windows 10.
We love Bill Gates!
You know what mostly I read is the fucking audio settings that Bill Gates wrote for me in his goddamn fucking operating system.
To make things more confusing, she later told ABC News that she was, quote, literally physically in tears, end quote, after reading her own campaign statement because she is very much into QAnon in reality.
I didn't know this.
I didn't know this either.
She went back.
She went back.
She was sad.
She read the statement.
You know what Alphette pissed her off the most is the Q slash Anon because it made her look like a complete fucking noob to all the patriots.
Dude, she can't show her face on 8coon.top again.
And here is what that statement said.
My campaign is going to kill me.
How do I say this?
Some people think that I follow Q like I follow Jesus.
Q is the information, and I stand with the information resource.
It's just so interesting in all of this that we haven't heard one policy, and she's running
for Senate, and instead we've just heard of the fictitious internet spy, and then her
not being friends with him, and then her actually kind of being better friends with him.
But she loves to bring up Jesus because she's just like, well, in this incredibly radicalized country that just accepts religion and politics as a total fucking fact of life, everyone will accept that I follow Jesus and I don't do the same thing to Q. Which is what?
You don't read literally Qmap.pub every night?
You don't pray to Q?
You don't have a Q rosary?
You don't have a fucking symbol of Q up on your wall?
What I also love is that she also said that she would absolutely use the information she's learned from QAnon in the U.S.
Senate if elected.
That's right.
I don't understand how that would work, though.
If you're in the Senate, you have access to top-secret information.
You don't need QDrive.
No, in the Senate they give you a special type of handcuff that works on Hillary Clinton.
I catch it.
And you can fly if you're in the Senate too.
I think we should encourage this.
I really would love if Joe Ray Perkins got up on the Senate floor after being elected and was like ranting about the mole children on fucking C-SPAN.
Can you imagine?
I like I like the idea of her being collected like she's just like in a semi catatonic vegetative state.
Somebody please come collect Jo Rae Perkins.
Another interesting development is that the conservative publication National Review responded to her nomination by publishing an unsigned editorial headlined against Jo Rae Perkins.
Here is the conclusion of the editorial which urges the Oregon GOP to shun Perkins.
Conspiracy theories are not limited to one side of the aisle, but QAnon indulges old pathologies that the right has over the years struggled to beat back.
Obviously, the president, who has been too friendly toward QAnon proponents and himself is inclined to conspiracy theories, isn't going to police these boundaries or honor them himself.
But Oregon's state party can reverse course and decline to put resources into Perkins' campaign.
Republican office holders in the state can distance themselves from her candidacy.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee was never going to spend money in Oregon, but it too can speak forthrightly about Perkins' lunacy.
Continuing to associate with Joe Ray Perkins would be a political error, and more importantly, a moral error, and an entirely avoidable one.
Now, this is very interesting, is that they're trying to basically quarantine Joe Ray Perkins from the rest of the party as much as possible.
I can fix that last sentence.
And more importantly, a PR error.
Exactly.
An entirely avoidable one.
So first of all, I think we need to make Joe Ray Perkins incredibly powerful within the GOP.
I just realized from reading this that one of the best strategies to destroy this party is to potentially QAnonize it.
Fully.
Just let it go.
Let's go.
So I want to print up Jo Rae Perkins.
We're going to support her candidacy fully.
And you know what?
I hope every one of these bastards has to serve under Jo Rae Perkins in a sort of dungeon she builds for the entire GOP, where she's like Bowser at the end and she's fucking blowing fire through the things.
And every one of these little goombas will be absolutely just under her boot.
She's like, I pass sweeping decree.
Lunch for the Senate from now on shall be bologna Doritos sandwiches for everybody.
That's right.
A national review famously, an entire issue called Against Trump.
And we see how well that did.
So yeah, this might be on the same path.
I don't think there's anything even more shitty than being a Republican.
But being a never Trump Republican is truly up there just in terms of cognitive dissonance
and just pure idiocy.
That's not a bad idea, though, Julian.
I'm telling you, flood the GOP with all QAnon candidates.
And then let and then I'm going to run.
disintegrate let them disintegrate themselves Well, like I said, if you want to be a QAnon accelerationist, welcome to the club.
Yeah, because that'll start fucking with people's money.
If a bunch of fucking QAnon people get into government, oh, that's going to fuck with people's money big time.
For my next story, QAnon followers try to reconcile Trump's bashing of Jeff Sessions with Q's command to trust Sessions.
Now, several Q-drops say trust Sessions.
That seems to contradict the words of Trump, who has repeatedly slammed Sessions for his time serving as Attorney General.
For example, here is Trump on Sessions in a recent interview with Sheryl Atkinson.
Jeff Sessions was a disaster as Attorney General.
Should have never been Attorney General.
He's not qualified.
He's not mentally qualified to be Attorney General.
He was the biggest problem.
I mean, look, Jeff Sessions Pretty straightforward.
Torched!
Yeah.
So this has created a dilemma in the QAnon community.
Who do you trust?
Q, or the very clear words of Trump?
Or Q Plus!
Or Q Plus, yes.
What do you call a coat hanger that a KKK member hangs his robe on?
What?
Jeff Sessions.
He said, like, he was unfit to be Attorney General, which would have been a scathing statement from any former president.
But I mean, imagine if Obama had said, you know, Eric Holder, I thought he was unfit to be Attorney General.
Incredible.
Trump pauses.
He's not mentally qualified.
Which tells you it's not about education.
He's not mentally qualified.
Not mentally qualified.
I mean...
Which tells you it's not about education.
He thinks this guy's low IQ.
It's so funny.
He's like, you can't learn anything.
Him firing him and humiliating him and on national television now saying he was unfit isn't enough.
He has to attack his mental acumen.
It's like, oh man.
I wish I knew what that felt like, to be that powerful.
What do you mean?
It's just our petty bullshit, but on that scale.
Yeah.
We're all just this petty.
We're all like, yeah, that guy who stopped being my friend?
Yeah, he's stupid.
He's an idiot.
Didn't understand me.
I'm amazing.
Now, some QAnon followers, they have stuck with Q. For example, Inevitable ET, a QAnon follower, said this.
Don't think!
Q said it over and over and over again.
not seem like friends at all. Trust Sessions. Q said it like a bajillion times.
Don't think. Q said it over and over and over again. He repeated this phrase so it's gotta
be true.
I made a post that I'm embarrassed to say.
I thought they would jettison Sessions.
I am too naive for this world.
Travis, take it away.
There was another QAnon follower who was a little bit more skeptical of Sessions.
Here's what they said.
This is where QAnon loses me.
We've gone from question everything to just believe everything is part of a quote-unquote plan.
Not gonna hold my breath.
He sounds new.
He sounds new.
I don't know.
That person should try holding their breath.
Now, the infighting got so bad that QAnon promoter Lisa May Crowley apologized to people who agreed with Trump over Q. Here's what she tweeted.
I don't often argue on Twitter.
Don't have time.
Today was an exception.
Apologies if I upset some of you whose beliefs are diametrically opposed to mine with regard to a certain former Attorney General.
We're often reminded to think for ourselves and trust ourselves.
I'm going to stick with that.
This is the real danger, though.
Eventually, they'll just see Q in a way as above Trump, and they'll focus all of their devotion to Q, which is... I don't know if it's worse.
Is it worse?
Do you think there's, like, MAGA nerds in, like, a forum somewhere, like, genuinely and unironically discussing who would win, Q or Trump?
Like, you know what I mean?
Just kind of, like, computing it and being like, well, actually, he has access to this many planes, like, technically, because he's at this level, and then it's, like, 800 post thread.
Please send this to me if you find it.
I'll go looking tonight.
And for my last story, Google removes QAnon apps from the Google Play Store.
QMap, QAlerts, and QAlerts Lite.
They removed my mole children tracking app.
I can't see where they are in the tunnels under Manhattan anymore.
And I can't hear their screams.
And these are all apps that display the queue drops or they alerted people when new queue drops came in.
In response to banning these apps, Google said this to Media Matters.
When we find apps that violate play policy by distributing misleading or harmful information,
we remove them from the store.
Noble Google.
Yeah, I thought it was kind of an interesting response because it basically labels Qdrops as just misleading information, which is, you know, not wrong, but also it has interesting implications for, like, tech platform policies.
Yeah.
The Church of QAnon.
Gentlemen, we are recording this episode on a beautiful Sunday in Los Angeles, California.
I don't know if you heard, but President Trump recently called upon governors to allow churches to reopen so people can start worshiping again.
No, that's good.
Great.
It's fine, but despite that, I couldn't help but notice that neither of you attended church this morning.
Now, forgive me for being blunt, but that's exactly the kind of behavior I would expect from a non-American leftist and a Hollywood Jew.
Oh, wow.
Fair.
Is the radius of holiness from the church next door not, like, does it not carry over?
No, it doesn't carry over.
I'm close to the window.
They have, like, water balloon fights over there.
Gotta walk over.
That's not real.
That's a different thing.
I am here to correct your heathen ways by taking you to a Sunday ministry.
But this is not going to be your typical boring sermon, because today we're going to be looking at a QAnon church called Omega Kingdom Ministry.
So this is an online church that uses QAnon conspiracy theories as a lens to interpret the Bible itself.
And it also uses the Bible to make sense of the Q-drops.
Now, Omega Kingdom Ministry is led by a man named Russ Wagner.
Russ Wagner looks to be in his 50s, maybe his 60s.
He has this long, gray, French fork beard.
And starting on Sunday, February 23rd, Russ Wagner began holding weekly public services on Zoom.
During those sessions, he attracts two to three hundred people who watch him preach and decode Q-drops.
Not bad audience.
Now, all those attendees get to see Wagner broadcast a grainy stream of himself in front of a background consisting of an image of a bright American flag.
And that the flag has a sort of superimposed on an image of either Jesus or the cross.
As if that's not currently what Saturday Night Live looks like too.
Like everything looks like shit.
Omega Kingdom Ministries is part of a network of independent congregations called Home Congregations Worldwide.
And they call these congregations Ecclesia, after the Greek word for an assembly or congregation.
The organization's spiritual advisor is Mark Taylor, the so-called firefighter prophet and QAnon influencer who has supposedly had a vision that Trump would be elected.
Studying materials on the Home Congregations Worldwide website include the QAnon documentary Fall Cabal.
And basically this church, Omega Kingdom Ministries, they use Fall Cabal as the official red-pilling method.
It's basically the formal introduction to QAnon that you have to research as you sort of go through these services.
Right.
Now, here's how Russ Wagner describes QAnon during one service.
This is just introduction today.
This is for new people.
I know that some of you are very good Q decoders.
You've done your research and everything, but you have to understand that we have 200 brand new students here in boot camp.
And so for some of you, this is going to be helpful new information.
But Q, what I believe, who I believe Q is, about 10 people, And at least seven of them are military.
Q himself has said there's fewer than ten that know everything, and there's only three of those ten that are non-military.
So that is inside Q itself.
That's something that Q has said.
So, Q, if you watch Joe M's video, Plan to Save the World, that's what it's about.
Generals put together a plan to reveal the Deep State, the Cabal, the Luciferian Cabal, and restore the Republic back to the people.
And it's not going to happen overnight.
It's a long process.
But Q Post started out on an anonymous bulletin board called 4chan.
It moved and migrated to another bulletin board called 8chan.
The hackers and people that were working for the Luciferian Cabal hacked it and destroyed it on 8chan and it had to move again.
It's now on a board that's called Ait Kuhn.
K-U-N.
Ait Kuhn.
So you're just bummed out that he's eating your lunch?
He's just explaining QAnon to people like you do.
Yeah, he's breaking down QAnon.
He has kind of a different interpretation.
He says that Ait Kuhn was taken down by hackers who work for the Luciferian Cabal when really it was Cloudflare who...
Was there not a Travis View tweet that claimed exactly the same thing?
No, no.
Cloudflare denied services to 8chan.
Must be confusing you with another account on Twitter.
Yeah.
That video, by the way, gives me serious Osama Bin Laden vibes.
I think his hair is very healthy.
Dude, but just the flag with Jesus' face sort of coming through.
It's very low-production terrorist kind of.
There's also, very briefly, the screen on Zoom cuts from him, because he's clearly using a Zoom background thing to run it, it cuts from him to someone else who must at least have access, or maybe he hasn't set the rights correctly, but it's just a bro activating his phone camera as he swings it up to himself, and he just briefly cuts to that while he's in the middle of explaining this shit.
No, no.
That's beautiful.
Yeah, he doesn't know how to set up the Zoom room, so it's occasionally some congregants who are watching, you see them suddenly as they speak, they make noise.
Yeah, because he has speaker mode on.
He doesn't have priority speaker on, and that's great.
That's great, and that is how it should be, Travis.
What, do we want these people to not make it funny?
Omega Kingdom Ministry Services begin with an opening prayer from Wagner to protect the Zoom room from Satan.
Well, clearly it didn't work all that well because fucking Anthony was able to, you know, clip his chin in halfway through the speech.
Lord, we ask you to protect our laptops, our iPhones, our smartphones, all the equipment, the Zoom room, our modems, the internet.
Lord, we're taking back the internet for you.
We're taking back the airwaves for the king and his kingdom.
So, Lord, we ask your protection over everyone's internet connectivity today.
In the modem, in the Zoom room.
Seal it up tight by the blood of Jesus.
Thank you, Father.
Dude!
Posters, church!
Posters, church!
We're joining this church, Travis!
This is where QAnon ends.
And QAnon for real begins.
Hell yeah, now we're talking.
This is blessing your internet speed.
Bless the fucking upload, bless the download.
Oh my god, bless my devices, bless my connection.
Bless my ethernet cable itself.
Lord Jesus, the blood of Jesus runs through my ethernet cable.
The Lord bloods Jesus encoded in ones and zeros.
Open source Jesus.
This is like lawnmower man, ghost in the machine shit that is going to take... I'm so worked up.
He's having a minor heart attack.
Once these people get the idea that the blood of Jesus flows through their high-speed Comcast fucking connection, yo, we are Fuck, boys!
We are fucked!
We are so fucked!
We already might be!
We already might be!
Oh, it's far too late.
Yeah, what are you talking about?
You just gotta watch how bad it gets.
Aw, Jake's been so protected.
We've kept him so safe.
I can tell now when he finally breaks.
I don't feel well.
Hold on, let me take a drink of water.
Yeah, we've got a long walk through the desert, you know, as Moses would say, so drink up, my young Jew, and steal yourself!
Some parts of the services sound like a pretty standard evangelical sermon.
You know, Russ Wagner will read verses from the gospel and then try to explain how these passages apply to how we should live our lives.
But then he seamlessly transitions into preaching about what he calls the Truther Movement.
When we're born again, we don't have everything we need to live godly.
It's there for us in the Word.
Everything we need to live godly in Christ Jesus is in the Word.
But we don't get it the day we're born again.
We have to grow.
We're babies.
Baby Christians.
And so we grow in the Word.
And to do that, we need to continue in the Word.
And then we'll be His disciples, if we continue.
He said, and I want you to particularly look at verse 32.
It says you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
We are experiencing what the secular world is calling the truther movement.
There's a truth movement going on and that movement is hungry for truth.
So the truth is coming out in lots and lots of areas and revealing things that we did not know about before.
That's the first passage of scripture.
Russ Wagner also seems to imply that the central conceit of QAnon, which is that there is a Satan worshiping cabal who constantly does unimaginable evil like behind the scenes, is actually a biblical concept.
Not only is the devil a liar and a murderer, but he works through people.
He works through people on this earth.
And those people love to do what they do in the dark.
In the dark just means like we would say undercover.
Undisclosed.
Unreported.
In the dark.
That's been going on for many, many years.
There has been what we would call the Deep State.
I like to call it the Luciferian Cabal because it ties it directly to Satan when we add the word Luciferian.
Look up the word Cabal if you would.
It just means a cadre of people committed to a certain mission.
But the Luciferian Cabal Is in leadership of much of the world and we're in the process of disclosing that to you.
I'm going to share another screen and give you a couple things from Q, and we'll get to having you ask questions here in just a moment.
So he's basically saying, Mr. Trump, declassify proof that God exists.
Of course, Russ Wagner also just reads off Q drops and gives his interpretation of them, just as he does the Bible verses.
For example, here's a clip of Russ Wagner reading off of a couple of drops from Qmap.pub.
The complete picture would put 99% of Americans, and then in parentheses, in a hospital.
What Q is saying right up front, if all the information came out all at once, it would blow your mind completely.
Literally.
99% of Americans, or even of the world, would be in a hospital.
And the other one, it's the same one over here.
The truth would put 99% of the people in a hospital.
It must be controlled.
So, it's rolling out little by little.
A lot of people have wondered, why we don't have any arrests?
Why are there no arrests?
Here's why.
We don't have a full disclosure of their evil yet.
We're in a stage here or period of time where the evil corruption of evil people is being exposed.
Wagner also offers advice to his flock on how to pick QAnon decoders.
Now, his favorite decoder is, of course, Praying Medic, which is an obvious choice, but he warns that not all QAnon decoders are Christian.
I need to tell you that a lot of Q decoders are not Christians.
They do not necessarily need to be a Christian to be a Q decoder.
There's a lot of them out there that are actually, some of them are in the New Age movement, and I don't actually trust all of them.
I love that.
I can't wait till the New Age evangelical QAnon split.
Yeah, Sather versus this guy.
Yeah, once it becomes the culture, it's just the East-West feud all over again.
It's not like a new thing, it's just like, if the population is big enough, yeah, they're gonna have, you know...
Now, according to Russ Wagner, listening to all of these QAnon decoders is important because, in his view, all mainstream news sources are hopelessly compromised.
Stop watching news on television.
Stop watching CNN.
Stop watching CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC.
Stop it.
Yes.
They're all owned.
They're all programmed, they're all given their talking points from the deep state, the dark Luciferian Cabal.
Stop watching that.
Almost.
If you want to know what the truth is.
There's only a couple left on Fox that are still free from the Cabal's influence.
And begin getting your news from the sources that we just shared with you.
Waters world.
Still woke.
Jesse Waters, still cool.
Rupert Murdoch is like, damn it.
There's a new thing in town.
This is not going to end well.
Who's going to be it?
Who's going to be the Q network?
Do you think Rupert Murdoch, if there's a Rupert Murdoch proper turn on QAnon because they turn on him for some reason?
There could eventually be a schism between QAnon and Fox permanently.
Yes.
I could see that happen.
I can see the fissures already creating themselves.
The president's already hopping over to OAN.
Yeah, but is OAN going to be the QAnon network?
Because there's money to be made mainstream.
It's going to be the American network.
And it will contain QAnon.
Like I mentioned, this particular congregation uses the QAnon documentary Fall Cabal as like a kind of like central text research.
That apparently raised some issues because in part 10 of that documentary, it deals with the possibility that JFK Jr.
is secretly alive.
But Russ Wagner says that he's non-committal on the JFK Jr.
question.
Last week, we started on talking about what the contents of Video 10, Video Part 10 in The Cabal Fall or The Great Awakening.
And in the first part, the presenter talks about the fact that JFK Jr.
may be alive.
I'll tell you that we had some people upset with us this week.
Criticizing us because we didn't answer the question whether JFK Jr.
was alive or not.
But you guys need to listen carefully.
We never said that we were going to answer that question.
What we said in the email that went out that we were going to raise the question.
There's a difference between raising the question and answering the question.
We did not say that we believe JFK Jr.
is alive, and we didn't try to prove it.
We simply are raising the question.
To be fair, this sounds like most of the arguments you would have in, like, an artist co-op.
I love that.
That's the old fallback.
I'm not saying JFK Jr.
is alive.
I'm just saying, keep your mind open to the idea.
Just mush-brained nonsense.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
During these services, Russ Wagner doesn't work alone.
He also throws services over to his partner, Kevin Bushy.
And Kevin Bushy is a retired colonel who's running for election in the Maine House of Representatives.
During Kevin Bushy's segments, he often goes over tweets from QAnon followers that he likes, or QDrops.
He says that he gets his research from the quote-unquote deep Anons.
Well, yeah.
So where I've been getting most of my details this week is pretty much on the Twitter feeds for the folks that I follow who are the deep researchers, the deep anons that are out there.
This is a fellow, Entheos, who basically gave me what I thought is the theme for the whole week.
Bottom line up front, it's a military term we use for bluff.
If you had to sum up everything happening behind the scenes the past two years with Trump, Obama, Hillary, Deep State, QAnon, FBI Russia hoax, technocracy, white hats, black hats, and the CIA in one sentence.
This is it.
Heyman was hanging on the very balance that he had built for Mordecai.
So this is why I think Q has told us it's going to be biblical.
Now, some services cover kind of the more exotic aspects of QAnon.
For example, one service references Project Looking Glass, which is the supposed secret time-travel technology project that the government has.
Now, Q has made reference to Project Looking Glass, which is, of course, not real.
However, Kevin Bushy argues that Project Looking Glass has a biblical basis because characters in the Bible have actually time-traveled, in his view.
You Q followers, patriots, Christians alike need to start understanding a little more about what Project Looking Glass is and if it's real or not.
So my interpretation here is Q is telling us there's something called Project Looking Glass and it provides a way to go forward in order to look back.
Question then is, is this in fact time travel?
In our understanding of physics and physicality, likely no.
Again, I refer to our 3D environment that we live in.
However, with our biblical hats on and our biblical understanding of being in the spirit, is this in fact possible?
And so I think I've made a case earlier to tell and say to you, if this is not true, then how did Ezekiel land in a valley of bones?
How did John get carried away into the wilderness?
And has Russ eluded in his quotes, how did Elijah beat Ahab by running faster than a horse?
How did Gandalf?
How did, how, hello, who, who would win?
Would it be Bilbo or Q or would it be Jack Reacher?
How did Gandalf best the Balrog?
It was so great.
It's like, how did Elijah run faster than the horse?
Obviously, he traveled through time.
How come that tortoise was somehow faster than the hare?
It doesn't make sense.
Now, they seem to argue that Project Looking Glass was the subject of a power battle between the White Hats and the Black Hats in government.
Because there are researchers out there claiming very clearly And I'm going to tell you who they are here in just a second.
That, number one, looking glass is a real device.
Number two, the Black Hats, which would be our New World Order crowd, the Luciferians, they have used it for years.
And they may have turned it off around the time frame of 1999-2000.
And I put the word Burrish.
This is referring to Dan Burrish, who I will tell you about in just a second.
But also that the White Hats also now have the device, and it may have actually been turned back on around 2017.
And it's in the hands of the White Hats inside the NSA.
It's great.
Great stuff.
I mean, this whole thing is amazing.
It combines all the good stuff, right?
You get your religion and God and Jesus up front, and then you got Project Looking Glass secret time travel technology that was switched on in 2017.
The idea that it's a device is cool because it makes me feel like it would be like the lighthouse in that movie The Lighthouse and just like Willem Dafoe is up there as a squid just kind of jacking off and like pure ecstasy like knowing the future and the past and and we're just beating seagulls on the beach like fucking the plebs we are.
Now, they don't explicitly say how Trump may be using this supposed time travel technology.
I'm just going to let him speak one more time so you can hear for yourself what he says about it.
Listen to the people who have said that they've actually worked in and around these devices and were part of deep state operations and get their first hand understanding of what is going on with Project Looking Glass.
And I don't think Q would have done a call-out to it if he didn't want us to do our own deep dive and digging on this.
And so you're going to find that there are a spectrum of terms.
Remote viewing, as Russ indicated, Stargate's portals, Looking Glass itself, and how it's interacting with other potential other technologies involving electromagnetics, involving optics, Whether this work is actually being done in areas like Area 51 out in Nevada and whether or not there are deployments and targets of people being utilized by technology and the military usage both from a white hat and a black hat perspective because we do have black hats in our military just like we have white hats.
And of course, this whole issue of, are there more than one timeline that's going on?
And what is this chess game that we're all seeming to be a part of?
And at this stage of the game, we have our chess master in chief, President Trump, who is five steps ahead of everybody else in the deep state with regard to what's going on.
Let me get this right.
Trump wins.
And the people who should be like, we have full political power.
They had control of the House and the Senate.
These people immediately begun spinning out into like a cosmic eternity.
It's like they got their guy in and they're like, oh, no, but no, we're still being oppressed.
Why?
Because there's an invisible Luciferian Cabal and he is doing battle with them and they're still in basically in charge, but he's working to fight against them.
So we're still the minority oppressed people.
Somehow, even though they're a guy one.
They all basically like, they were like, Trump is now elected and now to place this drop of mescaline on this tab of acid and immediately ingest it so the next four years are just a complete Spaceman spiff fucking style like, altered dimension.
I love it.
I fucking love it.
This actually makes me so excited.
These are church services, man.
I would probably keep going to church if they were like this.
Yeah, hell yeah!
White hats, black hats, espionage.
No wonder our guest Marc-Andre Argentino, like, spent his time actually attending these.
I bet he's probably joined them.
We're gonna have to ask him.
It's like Trump is not doing any of the things he promised, but that's because he's in like a dimensional time chamber,
like mirroring through different galaxies and dimensions.
I got called out this morning already at their service.
Oh, we have to get into that.
In his weekly QMill intel drop it featured the picture of my article and saying, oh we're over the target now.
Wow.
Well, okay, so Marc-Andre Argentino is our guest, obviously.
That is him admitting that his cover is now gone.
Just disintegrated.
Jake style.
He has done a Jake Rokitansky on the Omega Ministry.
And I couldn't be prouder.
So yeah, as part of his research into QAnon, Marc-André attended Zoomer services at Omega Kingdom Ministries for 12 weeks.
He then wrote about his experience in an article for the publication The Conversation, headlined, The Church of QAnon, Will Conspiracy Theories Form the Basis of a New Religious Movement?
Marc-André, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Thank you very much for having me on the show.
So before we get started, I'm curious, how exactly did you get started into researching QAnon as an academic?
Prior to researching QAnon, I actually started my PhD on how ISIS used religion to recruit individuals either in their chat rooms or in their propaganda.
So my initial research started with the nexus between technology and ISIS and religion.
So I kind of started on that from 2014 to 2017.
I spent three years creating sock puppets and spending my time in ISIS chat rooms like a lot of researchers in this field did at the time.
And I started looking at, you know, how they recruited really focusing on the religious dimension because I'm really interested to see Not necessarily to validate the behaviors or the beliefs of individuals, but to see how they use these beliefs and the impact that that has on society.
And ultimately, after a little while of doing research on ISIS, I decided to switch from the Religious Studies Department into a program called the Individualized Program at Concordia.
And I basically decided to take a couple more supervisors. Religious Studies and
Knowledge was not enough to study online extremism, so I added a supervisor from the Department of
Computer Science and one from the Department of Engineering. And now I'm doing a full-blown
study on online extremist groups and how they recruit people, create propaganda, and the impact
that has on society. So QAnon was something I was observing right around the time my wife was
about to give birth with our first child.
Obviously, my PhD work kind of took a bit of a break once my child was born.
But I still kept an eye on what was going on with QAnon, and the more I saw in 2018-2019 was a trend of radicalization, an increase in violent behavior, an increase of propaganda from this group.
So it just caught my interest, especially when evangelicals and neo-charismatics started, you know, getting really into the movement.
The religious scholar in me kind of had to hop on board so I started doing the data science and starting pulling all the Twitter data the reddit data and started looking at what was happening and from then on I just Fully dived into QAnon and now spend more time than I'd like to admit on Their content.
Oh, you don't have to be shameful Yeah, actually route B about spending too much time with our content.
I Yeah, that's fascinating.
It's a little disconcerting that you can slide right from studying ISIS into studying QAnon and that knowledge base transfers.
The basic tenets of what I was researching is radicalization.
What makes these people go from believers in something that will make them get away from their keyboard and do some offline actions?
Why do they get to that point?
What within that belief system leads them down that path?
And I think that's what's interesting and that's the transfer where I was able to go from ISIS, which is very, very extreme, to a more nascent extremist community like QAnon.
Fascinating.
Now, for your research, you attended this Omega Kingdom Ministry services for three months.
Every Sunday, you showed up.
I watched a couple of these in order to make clips for this.
I did not watch every single one, but I'm curious, how would you describe your experiences attending these services?
It was very interesting, I have to say.
It's very different than spending your time in a normal QAnon DM group or a chat group.
This is very much, I'd call, an authentic religious practice in a sense, because the focus is on An ideological education and the ritual practices that are found in this community.
Now, there's echoes with neo-charismatic home congregations in the U.S., so that is an interesting echo.
What fascinated me is how they included QAnon into their rituals and used QAnon to either explain biblical concepts or use the Bible to justify some QAnon conspiracy theories.
And that's what really got me captivated, is that complete blend of of QAnon and Christianity.
And after 14 weeks of service, the only thing I could really say about this is this specific church is formalizing education into both QAnon and Dominionism.
And really, I'm saying this because you're seeing these individuals, you know, teaching individuals about cord cutting, how Fox is bad, and that the mainstream media is part of the deep state.
But Here, we're going to help you.
Here are a bunch of QAnon YouTube channels that you need to listen to to get your news.
Here are the Twitter handles of the decoders.
These are your new reporters.
This is where you get your information.
So from the get-go, they're already creating a sandbox around these people.
And then they're introducing them to QAnon language and myth.
And I remember in the first few episodes, it's either the comment section on Zoom or the question period where individuals completely lost about what this QAnon stuff was
and then having both Russ and Kevin really explain to them and you know, like spoon-feed them some of
this information to bring them in and now 14 weeks into this you're seeing the chat and the questions very
differently about you know, today they were asking about how to clean your
your, was it perineal, your adrenal gland or your penial gland?
pineal gland because they're worried about that.
Yes.
And it's just, if you're not in the QAnon narrative or in like the mythology,
you're not gonna know what that is.
That's just where it's going now.
It's becoming more and more about QAnon and a little bit less and less as we're moving forward
or less biblical focus or really more of a meshing of the both.
And that's what's interesting for me.
I never expected, you know, a conspiracy theory to really take over religious precepts in this way.
Yeah, it is shocking like how thoroughly and seamlessly blended those two things, like even something as sort of out there as Project Looking Glass, where they can sort of somehow talk about evidence of time travel in the Bible and how that ties into Q's single brief reference of Project Looking Glass.
And it doesn't matter how wild of anything Q says, they can sort of create sort of like a biblical basis for it.
What's interesting about that is also time travel as a biblical basis is not new to neo-charismatic beliefs.
There's already existing, not doctrine, but discussions and justifications for that.
So the biblical passages he gets for those are not necessarily new, but it's how this came about is he wouldn't have talked about time travel because it wasn't in the Fall Cabal series that the people were watching.
It was really about one person challenged him.
Q said X about Project Looking Glass.
That's time travel.
It's not in the Bible.
So he included that into the teaching to justify what Q was saying.
On the flip sides, you have, you know, they did a divorce from Ball and they had a whole ceremony and ritual.
It was three weeks ago.
They basically believe that the whole 501c3 system for the churches, the whole charity status basically, is controlled by the deep state and that's part of the Luciferian deep state church and Baal is in control of that.
Those who are joining the church need to formally divorce the old church system they were in so that they're welcomed into the QAnon church.
That is interesting that part of the process is to separate yourself from a more traditional sort of understanding of Christianity or what the Bible teaches, that QAnon itself can't go hand-in-hand, that it does in some ways you have to sort of like graduate, or at least in the perception of what they're trying to sell you, you know, graduate to the level of QAnon,
And what's interesting is that they're using this divorce from Baal basically to... So the divorce from a church, from a formal church, exists in these type of home congregations already.
They're just framing it in a way that you need to divorce yourself from the bad people in QAnon to join the good side of QAnon.
It's this clear dichotomy.
It's all about the battle between good and evil, right?
So if you're in the deep state church, you're on the bad side.
So you need to formally leave that.
Yeah.
I mean, we can all agree that if there is a deep state church, it is the Catholics.
I mean, they were the ones that exposed Gladio.
I mean, yeah.
You know, like, if you're gonna talk, like, you know, on paper, it seems like that would be the one.
Yeah, I mean, Russ Ragner, he's trying to be like a modern-day Martin Luther, right?
Where he just imagines like all formal church organizations are hopelessly compromised by the deep state, the deep state church, and they need to separate and go their own way.
In your article for The Conversation, you say that Omega Kingdom Ministries uses the language of a Christian theology called Dominionism.
So what exactly is that, and how has Omega Kingdom Ministries expressed that?
So I'll give you a very short academic theological explanation, and I'll give you a more vulgarized explanation that's easier to understand.
Yes, the Rakotansky explanation.
The Rakotansky explanation, exactly.
So in the theological terms, they basically posit the idea that God is said to have given dominion over the earth to humankind.
And the Dominionist interpretation formulated the idea that the world has to be subordinate to the rule of God, which basically means it has to be subordinate to what the Bible says.
And the mandate is a privilege, but it's also an urgent responsibility.
So the de facto establishment of God's dominion was considered imperative by Dominionists when they originally formulated this theology.
They've historically been associated with conservative evangelicals, which was with an objective to change public life and to make society exclusively Christian.
And they do this by exhorting control over what they call the seven mountains of influence, which is religion, family, education, government, media, arts, and business.
What this really means is that Dominionism is a theocratic idea.
It's basically Christians are called by God to exercise dominion over every aspect of society by taking control of political and cultural institutions.
Now, there's a spectrum of dominionism.
It's there's some that are, you know, soft core, some are hardcore.
Yeah, I've watched DS9.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I know about this dominion.
But I could basically give three core features of dominionism.
So it celebrates Christian nationalism in that they believe that the United States once was and should once again be a Christian nation in this way to deny kind of like the whole enlightenment roots of American democracy.
Two, they promote religious supremacy insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions or even other versions of Christianity.
So it's not all other global religions, but it's really other versions of Christianity.
That's why we're talking about, you know, the Deep State Church versus their church.
Right.
And they endorse a theocratic vision that they believe that the Ten Commandments or biblical law should be the foundation of American law and that the U.S.
Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing biblical principles.
And, you know, it takes Various forms in the US but dominionism is kind of like a
permanent feature in US politics Like for the last three presidential elections, you've had
dominionist politicians played a prominent role whether it's Mike Huckabee Sarah Palin
Rick Perry Ted Cruz the dominionists are amongst some of the most prominent politicians in the US right now
So they do enjoy a significant public support and they're kind of seen as legitimately part of political culture in
the US That's funny. You should list those people because I think
they should all join this church I
Don't know if you heard about the Ted Cruz prophecies his dad made in 2016, but that is something worth
Looking up on YouTube His dad had a prophecy where he said one night, I had a vision from God where he said, God told me that Ted will be here, elected president, and he will usher in the second coming of Christ.
I don't think anyone wants a president that will usher in the end of the world.
Well, maybe your Canadian country over there.
Speak for yourself.
Dan, can you imagine a dinner table conversation over at the cruise house?
My parents wanted me to be a doctor or a lawyer, but can you imagine your dad is like, Yes, son, and you will usher in the second coming of Christ.
Holy fuck!
That is literally how you create Ted Cruz.
Yes, that is.
The most sweaty, miserable monster on Earth.
And maybe like a good quarterback as well.
Yeah.
Or maybe just like a subaquatic creature that resembles a kind of sea moss.
Just imagine how his siblings feel, to be honest.
The entire time that QAnon has been around, it seemed like it was especially attractive to American evangelicals, primed and crafted for the evangelical mind.
Like, what about it, I guess, meshes so well with the evangelical worldview?
There's a couple of elements that mesh well with them.
One of the things that really came to mind to me when I first started looking at QAnon is that, you know, their main tenant of the whole world's controlled by this satanic cabal that's sacrificing kids and all the bads around this whole Element, right?
That's kind of similar to in the 70s and 80s in the US, there was something called a satanic ritual abuse panic, where evangelicals in the US were really believing that there was a global network of elites that were breeding and kidnapping children for the purpose of pornography, sex trafficking, and satanic rituals.
You kind of hear the echo here.
Yeah, they got one wrong.
So you're looking at some elements there that already found an echo with them where they're like, oh, I remember, like, some of them will definitely be, oh, I remember this, or this sounds familiar.
But when you have charismatic figures like Praying Medic or Mark Taylor coming in, their following is large enough to kind of mainstream bit some of the QAnon stuff to, you know, American style Christianity and I think it's just the influencers kind of mainstreaming that that brought it out But it's also you have a basically a epic battle between good and evil So it's not very hard to see a connection there Especially now where QAnon basically does have some type of theology to an extent with some of these individuals We're seeing a QAnon church where we're seeing these influencers push in it's very
It's not very shocking to me in the end because the essence of them is they want to delineate and explain evil.
This is what they do and that's a key concept in Christianity.
It's about theodicy.
It's about, you know, it's not necessarily about the secular evidence.
It's kind of trying to offer comfort in an uncertain and unprecedented age.
So as the movement crowdsources answers to explain the inexplicable, QAnon kind of becomes like a master narrative for these people to Just explain all these various evils the same way Christianity or any religion can be used to explain these kind of evils.
It just looks like there's a lot in the US that picked on to this.
I'm not really shocked.
And to top it off, we're in the middle of a plague.
Which, you know, is very biblical.
I mean, I'm surprised that QAnon and its sort of adjacent groups aren't using more of that.
You know, being like, this is the plague that comes, your first born will be protected by Q. Like, I think that this is the natural progression of where this stuff goes.
You need to get in contact with Jesus, and you need to ask him, draw a picture of the man who hurt you.
And then, when Jesus draws a stick figure with a very long nose, you have to just go with it because it's a new era, baby!
But that whole type of narrative you just mentioned, comparing the plagues, that was done at the QAnon Church where they compared the Biblical Passover with our current Passover.
And they're trying to make these links and explain them.
But you do see with a lot of the more, let's call the Christian-adjacent QAnon individuals, they really use the language of spiritual warfare.
And this is what they're talking about when, you know, it's ID2020 or Bill Gates or the Mark of the Beast.
You know, you mentioned something else in that article that really caught my eye.
Omega Kingdom Ministries is apparently raising funds for something that they call Reclamation Ranch.
Now, I missed that particular service, but what exactly is Reclamation Ranch?
So it's something they've been discussing for a few weeks, and there's been a bit of back and forth.
So the initial idea was that Omega Kingdom Ministry wanted to start building either buildings or structures that they could use to adopt and foster children that were saved by the Q team during the military operations.
So whether it's the famous mole children of New York, Or who knows where they're getting these kids, but their objective is to take these kids that have been through satanic ritual abuse and then, you know, save them and educate them in the ecclesial way, as they say.
Yeah, like a kibbutz, a kind of communal raising of them old children.
Mark, Mark, hold on.
So you're telling me that they want to take the children?
After all of this!
They want to kidnap the children!
They want to kidnap the children!
That rules!
Also, by the way, if you've got a group called the Omega Ministry of whatever, and you want to start building structures... To house children?
No, just not even for the children, but for like the other members of the church, that you're a cult.
I'm sorry, that's the place that everybody in the church dies.
I'm sorry, that's like what happened with fucking Jonestown.
America wasn't good enough, they wanted to go to a place, they wanted to have a place.
You're just scared by a bit of Latin.
Have a place, build structures.
Yeah, you can't face your own true history, your own powerful white race and its Latin language.
What?
I never took Latin, I took French.
But if that scares you, they moved away from that plan after they got advice from lawyers.
So their new idea for home for kids is, in my opinion, scarier than a ranch.
So, they still want to adopt kids, but they realized that going through the whole legal route by going through the state and getting the proper certificates and the training was quite difficult.
So based on the advice of their attorneys, they're looking to use their status as a religious
– they say they're not a church, but they're basically going to leverage their status as
a church – where they're going to use legal precedence from what's called the
Roloff Homes, which was set in the 60s.
And basically, any home congregation, so any home of a person within OKM, is allowed to
have up to six kids that they could foster.
Wow.
And basically every single home.
So there was what, 254 people.
So let's say 254 homes could each take six kids to foster and educate them.
And now they're offering training on how to deal with children who have been psychologically traumatized because they're a part of satanic ritual abuse.
Yeah, so how do they identify those children, though?
Is there any process to actually, like, figure out which ones have that happen to them, or are they just going to just farm, make a farm with just kids, and we'll see.
They haven't said that.
We're still waiting to figure out what that explanation is, and that kind of what, that's what scares me.
There's no secret mole children coming out of New York, and, you know, these kids don't exist.
It's all part of the QAnon mythos.
This is very bad.
Because they'll register all of these people, okay, even if like 10% of the people in the church register, okay, as like foster homes, the fucking overcrowded like children's services are gonna go, oh, great, more people, like more people, oh, religious home, okay, fine, we'll put them in, as many, and then these kids are going to be indoctrinated from a very young age into fucking like radical QAnon ideology.
No, no, no, Jake, it's okay.
Allow QAnon to become the pedophiles.
They will become the pedos.
They will become the pedos they accuse people of being.
It is prophecy.
It is my prophecy.
Today is my day!
I am opening my journal!
All right, move on to another question.
All right, Marc-Andre, I also wanted to ask you about a previous article that you had written about QAnon, and you had claimed that the sort of the pandemic conspiracy theories that were coming out of this community Weren't just, you know, bonkers and bad and the way that sort of melts people's brains, but they were a threat to public health.
Hold on, I was really interested in that thesis.
Like, why has it rised to that level of concern?
I would have said, like, five months before the pandemic started, if you were to ask me, are conspiracy theories a threat to the public?
Like, just period?
I would have said not more than any other type of disinformation.
But I think, like, the coronavirus has changed how Well, our perception of the world, but also how we're going to function in society.
And I think, you know, the disinformation coming from QAnon, based on a lot of the data analytics I've done, they've been either at the source of the conspiracy or played a key role in amplifying them.
Barring QAnon alone, we've seen people burning 5G towers in Canada and the UK.
An individual who derailed a train in LA and tried to crash it into the Mercy because apparently the boat was not there for the same reason the government was saying.
The pandemic has kind of changed the behaviors of individuals.
We've been seeing these online sources of disinformation leading to offline violence.
I think the pandemic actually made things worse faster than what if we would have waited normally in the sense that if everyone wasn't locked down in their home spending the entire day in front of their computer Panicking about where am I going to get money to eat or pay my rent or you know for all these other reasons I think this kind of accelerated things that were coming to head there was already concerns like last year We saw the FBI leak or at least that statement that they considered individuals from conspiracy groups to be a threat to national security like we're seeing these things
Hints and elements of that, you know, terrorism offenses for an individual, the guy went to the Hoover Dam.
These are all things that are red flags and I think now we're just coming to a head a lot faster than they would have if it wasn't for the pandemic.
Maybe this would have taken years instead of months.
Yeah, nice little incubator.
Well, Marc-Andreas, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Where can people find more about the kind of work that you're doing?
There's two options to find me.
There's my Public Scholar profile on the Concordia website.
If not, Twitter is where I could be the most reached out, I guess.
Anglerfish, but 4NGL3RF1SH.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Marc Andre.
Thank you very much.
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We are preparing.
And you and I need to know.
That if we're dealing with kids that have been enslaved, that some have never seen the light of day, they have been in tunnels, they have been underground, it's not going to be a normal foster care setting for them.
You As the caregiver, you as the one that feels left to bring these particular kids into your homes, we're going to need to provide for you spiritual training of how to deal with this child because you're dealing more than with a dysfunctional setting or an abuse setting.
We are dealing with demonic ritualistic activity.
And so you just can't bring these kids into your home and expect for them to be a normal child.
So therefore it's going to require spiritual discernment on our part, and we are going to be accountable to you to provide training Above and beyond what I have personally seen and looked at as a resource as we move forward.
I've already shared that we're going to have to bring our own classes online to cover those areas that are normally not covered for training as a foster parent or even either for adoptions.
So I ask for prayer from you in that area.
I am encouraged.
I do believe we have that reprieve right now in this moment of calm before the storm, but it requires a lot of work and it requires a lot of tenacity because when I approach agencies and I inquire, I try to make them aware in a
