Episode 73: Startup Conspiracy Theory feat Riley Quinn of the Trashfuture Podcast
Silicon Valley from a different perspective — that's what you'll get from this week's guest Riley Quinn of the Trashfuture podcast. Wework. Wag. Oyo. Compass. High profile startups "worth" billions of dollars, all built on common delusions and overt corruption.
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Welcome, listener, to the 73rd chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Startups as Conspiracy Theories episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Riley Quinn, Julian Fields and Travis View.
Startups!
The most important human invention since the loom.
A crucial part of our vibrant neoliberal economy.
And, in many cases, phantasmagoric exercises in mass delusion.
This week, we're joined by Riley Quinn of the Trash Future podcast.
He'll be examining multiple high-profile startups to see how much they share with conspiracy theories.
How's it going, Riley?
Well, I'm all right.
I'm interested to see if maybe some of the startups that I'm going to talk about later could try to start up some operations with the UK government to try and improve some of how it's working.
If you don't know, Dominic Cummings, the strange, bald Svengali in charge of basically everything to do with our government, Yes.
has recently put out a call for Silicon Valley style people to come and reinvent the entire civil service.
So I'm concerned that I'm going to be optimized in the near future.
Okay, but the market solutions will probably be the best ones.
Yes, will you be wearable is my question.
I'll be local, social, mobile, wearable.
Connected.
But you won't want to put me on or take me off.
What am I?
A wetsuit.
The internet.
Sorry, sorry, you're all wrong.
It turns out I'm a B2B in-desk massage chair scheduling solution.
So after we go through that, we'll follow the topic with a Jake story, of course, into which Riley has been drafted against his will.
So I hope you're looking forward to that.
It's not so much a story as it is a platform.
Of course, yes.
Now, we know that you love to use euphemisms for whatever you write.
It's something you found in the trash or this is the manual.
No, no, this is definitely me.
This is me.
I've written it.
I was hired to write it.
That's good.
Yeah, yeah.
You were hired to write it?
Yeah.
Okay, I'm glad we hired you.
I've heard the story's worth over $6 billion at its most recent valuation.
Potentially, yes.
And that is not including past investments that we've had.
Yeah.
And Riley, we're willing to cut you in for 10% of it based on the valuation you gave us.
I'm seeking $10 billion for an exchange of 4% ownership, and I would be willing to partner with more than one shark.
Wait, what?
What?
I think he's just repeating stuff he's seen on the Financial Channel or some sort of reality television show.
Oh, I don't know if you guys all knew this, but most of the way financial markets works is actually through the Rube Goldberg devices that Jim Cramer has in the set of that CNN show.
Yeah, that rolling egg has ruined so many families.
That lever has caused so many people to develop opioid addictions.
But before all that...
First up, rapper and actor Ice-T unwittingly tweets out QAnon meme.
This was quite an entertaining episode on Twitter.
Come on the podcast ice. We love you. Yeah, we love you man.
Come come talk about it So iced tea who is perhaps best known for his long rap
career and performance on the show law in order SVU Which is exceptional on by the way
Oh calm down you shared a QAnon meme on Twitter without realizing it on December 30th
He tweeted out an image consisting of a cropped flaming Q Overlayed with the text never interfere with an enemy while
he's in the process of destroying himself Yeah, because he's seed what sickos can accomplish on SVU
Yeah.
Duh.
Along with his image, Ice-T tweeted, Daily game.
Let the haters dig their own graves.
Hashtag 2020.
Just incredible.
I like that, like, you know, a lot of people follow him and like him and stuff.
Kind of ironically.
But then, finally, you realize, oh no, like, he's, uh, you know, earnestly on the same level as a QAnon person in terms of, like, this kind of Sun Tzu style, like, the Art of War bullshit.
Yeah.
This resulted in many people telling Ice-T that he is sharing a QAnon meme.
For example, here's David Weissman and what he told Ice-T.
Uh, hey Ice-T, you are awesome, and if you want to support Trump, that's fine, but as a former Trump supporter myself, I should inform you that's a hashtag QAnon symbol, which is part of the MAGA cult.
To which Ice-T responded, I have no idea what that is.
I just like the quote.
Ice-T explained to another critic that, If it bums you out that I posted a quote connected to some
sci-fi shit I don't even know about, you take Twitter way too serious.
Amazing.
Incredible.
That's the best part of the whole thing is that he sums up QAnon as the entire thing that people have devoted their lives for the last two and a half years to as sci-fi shit.
It's the best.
It doesn't get any better.
That's why I love QAnon.
It's sci-fi shit.
Who doesn't like that?
Mashable editor Brian Korber further explained to Ice-T, It's not about someone liking something or not.
It's the fact that you accidentally spread a QAnon conspiracy theory meme.
Your celebrity status and blue check validates it regardless of how you feel about it.
It's not about hating.
Boring!
Nerd next!
Fucking open the trap door!
Into the flames!
Get the lions out!
Let's fucking go you nerds!
And here's how Ice-T responded to Brian.
Eat a dick.
Oh man, if only we could get Ice-T telling random opinion writers to eat a dick on the daily.
The original tweet from Ice-T containing the QAnon meme was eventually deleted, so maybe he realized that wasn't so great to keep up.
Probably because his people, I'll bet you his agent and manager were like, well, T, it doesn't look good.
You know, they think Angela Merkel's Hitler's daughter.
It's not a good look for us.
Ice-T has had a fantastic life and a great career, but I think it's been slipping recently.
He's got a lot of Twitter traction.
Anyone who gets like that on Twitter, who doesn't like have something that they're actively promoting, so like, I don't know, a podcast or a book or whatever, they either become Jobny's son or a Q supporter.
And I'd way rather Ice-T became a Q supporter than someone being like, it's okay to love yourself.
Yeah, if he lives long enough to do an Abramovich piece, he's fucked.
Yeah, I feel like Adam Baldwin could be a Q guy, but he knows better enough than to go full out with it.
I feel like he could be one.
Yeah, those Baldwins and their intelligence.
Second up, Trump campaign official denounces QAnon.
So this is related to the Ice-T story.
As debate about QAnon was raging in Ice-T's Twitter mentions, an official with the Trump campaign chimed in to denounce QAnon.
That official is Jesse Jayne Duff.
No.
Yeah, it's a real person, real name.
First of all, Jesse Jayne Duff.
Myth, Duff, the beer and the Simpsons.
Fuck off.
Not real.
Extremely real.
Americans have very strange names.
Jesse Jane Duff, huh?
Jesse Jane Duff.
Everyone here is called, like, Joe Donut or something.
You should see what the young people are naming their kids now.
They're going back to, like, Victorian era names like Ophelia and, like, Adeline and shit.
Like, I mean, I see so many babies that are like, Welcome, Addison Day.
It's either Victorian or it's like, Meet my son, Nick Saltz.
As someone from the outside looking into America, who has actually spent his entire life from the outside looking into America, from Canada where I spent my childhood, or the UK where I've lived for the better part of a decade now, I've got my grand unified theory of American names that, like, just drowning in soy coastal elites.
Yes, they do name their children something like, um, you know, like Atticus Chartreuse or whatever.
Yeah.
But the next secretary of the interior is going to be called Justin with four Y's in it somehow.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
That's where we're heading.
So Jessie Jane Duff, she works on the Trump campaign's Women for Trump and Veterans for Trump initiatives.
And here's what she said to a QAnon follower.
I know we on the campaign don't support Q. And it's all bizarre nonsense for people who need to believe something.
This was generated by people who have never worked in the admin, the intelligence world, or on the campaign.
A follow-up tweet from Duff said this.
Actually, Q has been a lot of talk, many errors, and few correct guesses.
It's garbage to believe and validate.
Sheesh!
Very clear.
Didn't they end up with a Q in their Women for Trump video?
They did, yes.
So these people are incompetent?
Yes, they're incompetent.
Also, Stacey Dash, QAnon promoter, is on the Women for Trump initiative, so mixed signals there, mixed signals there.
I forgot about Stacey Dash, that's another celeb.
Also, an anti-Q person on the Trump campaign is now what the next generation of never-Trump Republicans are going to be.
Yes, exactly.
Never-Q.
MAGA but anti-Q is the new never-Trump.
So this was all underneath Ice-T's mention.
So Ice-T inadvertently got a member of the Trump campaign to denounce QAnon.
Thank you, Ice-T.
So, members of the QAnon community weren't happy, unsurprisingly.
Some even called for Duff to be fired from the campaign.
They're all adding real Donald Trump.
I think, honestly, it's ugly for people to be going after people's jobs.
I think that the Republican Party needs to be a broad church.
It needs to have people who believe that there is a global lizard pedophile conspiracy on the moon.
But there also needs to be people who just believe in a small state that's going to get out of your way and let you live your life.
Yeah.
It's like we need to bring these people together and it will take like literally entire articles in the Federalist to reconcile these differences.
Yeah, we're counting on Quillette's late coming to the game, but strong presence.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
If there's anyone who has the strength of mind to unite the QAnon people and the small state people who are all basically QAnon believers anyway, and just waiting for a moment that they can let their psychosis out like in the movie Venom, it's going to be Quillette Magazine.
For my third story, a QAnon follower arrested for allegedly plotting a kidnapping with other QAnon followers.
So this is a very crazy story that was reported by Will Sommer for the Daily Beast.
Last year, a Colorado mother named Cynthia Abcug... Abcug?
Not a name!
It starts with ABC!
Not a fucking name!
Anyways, who invented- okay, what are American names?
We have to shut down all of American naming until we know what's going on.
Yes, Abcug is not- Absug.
I think it's Absug, yeah.
Whatever, just Bug.
Cynthia Bug.
I think maybe there was a typo in the original article, maybe?
Cynthia Glug Glug, she's an orc.
Cynthia Glug, from the town of Muggle Blug.
It was Cynthia.
She became involved in the QAnon community following a child custody dispute with the state.
The 50-year-old's son was taken from her by Colorado child welfare officials in the spring of 2019.
She then appeared on QAnon shows like Patriot Soapbox and Red Pill 78 to promote her story.
However, a recently unsealed arrest warrant alleges that Apsug had plans with other armed QAnon believers to plan a kidnapping.
Montana police arrested Apsug in Kalispell, Montana on December 30th on felony conspiracy to commit kidnapping, an arrest warrant issued in Colorado.
The alleged target of the purported kidnapping is redacted in court documents, it isn't specifically named, but the individual is described as once having been in Apsug's care.
Police in Parker, Colorado first became aware of Abzug's alleged plan in late September when her daughter told authorities that she had been discussing a kidnapping raid with other QAnon believers.
She's an orc!
She's gonna raid!
She has to raid!
That's what they do!
Yeah, she was gonna ride a wolf in.
It's gonna be great.
Ahead of the rest of the group, screaming her own name.
Oh my god, a giant John Podesta boss that, like, twelve different WoW characters are attacking.
Which, like, hundreds of demons explode out of tiny eggs and slaughter, and everybody gets mad at her for running in first.
According to a police affidavit, Abzug's daughter told police that her mom was a committed QAnon believer who had been discussing how people from the QAnon group planned to kidnap the unnamed person.
Abzug allegedly obtained a gun of her own and talked about a person or group of people dying in a raid conducted by QAnon believers.
Police found QAnon gear at Upsuck's home, including blue awareness bracelets promoted at QAnon.pub and at StormIsUponUs.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but are there Livestrong 2004 style bracelets for QAnon?
Yes, there are.
There's a stash of those blue bracelets.
They glow in the dark, by the way.
They're pretty nice.
Travis has one from the rally.
I want to get one.
Awesome.
According to that affidavit, Apsug allegedly stressed her belief that people would be injured during the raid, and saying that they were, quote, evil Satan worshippers and pedophiles, end quote.
Apsug's daughter also said that her mom typically only left the house to meet with fellow QAnon supporters.
So...
Oh, so now it's a crime to have friends?
So she's indeed- is what you're saying, she's indeed.
She's hella pilled.
I mean, basically, here's my broad theory of what happened, is that a woman, possibly
of special needs children, possibly struggling with mental health issues of her own, basically
has her kid put in foster care, which sucks, and she gets red-pilled on QAnon.
Because this gives her an explanation of why this happened.
Oh, the Colorado State CPS is evil, and they're- They're gonna traffic the child.
They're gonna traffic the child.
Yeah.
She goes on this QAnon media tour, she goes to Patriot Soapbox.
She goes on all these channels, and then she basically gets so fully radicalized that she plans to... By the way, the interesting thing about this is that she did all this in Colorado, and she moved to Montana, and apparently Montana authorities arrested her on a tip from the FBI.
So the feds were interested in her case, apparently tracking her movements.
She kind of did the female side of a guy getting divorced, losing custody of his children, and joining the men's rights activist movement, but for QAnon.
Yeah, this is like a very gritty reboot of Mrs. Doubtfire.
The thing is, on a serious note for a moment, I think one of the defining moments of the last 20 years has been the absolute certainty that there is something wrong with society, whether that is people who have been protesting war only to see our country go to disastrous wars again and again, or protesting ownership structures or whatever, and see that you have no democratic impact on anything.
Or it's people who, sort of, who see society failing them in more personal ways, like someone who's not able to get mental health care, who can't, like, keep custody of their child, or whatever.
And, you know, it's very strange to see people sort of be like, well, you know, obviously 9-11 was an inside job.
Anyway, what's the news?
The Star Wars prequels, they sucked.
It's like, well, hold on.
You think that the country is either run by lizards, or we're gonna die in a nuclear war, and it's just so banal.
It feels like QAnon has given people this way to access.
I'm sure you guys have talked about this a lot before.
I've even heard you talk about it before, but What I can't shake is the feeling that in the face of something that seems completely immovable, QAnon gives people something to organize around and to act upon in this common language that people can come together and understand, not that the state failed them in some sort of pastoral way, but rather that there is something they can do rather than just post about the new Star Wars movie.
And that's, to me, what sort of is so scary about it.
Yeah, it's going to the Renaissance Fair!
It's political ren-fair for them, you know?
They go, they find purpose, even though it's like a kind of structured and designed experience.
Yeah, and they're so ostracized by any and all other influences, like, in their natural life, that they're just, they're pushed together with other QAnon believers.
I mean, that's what's the kind of the saddest thing, is that The only place you can go once you're fully pilled on QAnon is into a circle with more QAnon people that will tell you that you're right and that yes, your child has been taken by the Colorado State for child trafficking and that
You have no choice but to go and take it back yourself because part of the LARP is this kind of spy action sort of thing and so you've got these people believing that they're in like, you know, a Mission Impossible movie and they're gonna go and do stupid things.
I hate to almost prefigure the next news story, but the people who then become the political wing of QAnon, it doesn't matter if they're cynical and just know that there is this broad-based energy that they can exploit, or if they're genuine believers themselves, because the end result is the same.
It becomes impossible to have publicly shared truths.
Yeah, like every single QAnon conversion story is like has the same sort of like beginning is always like all my life.
I felt like something was amiss or all my or for years.
I felt like something just wasn't right like like felt like everything was just sort of a lie and then QAnon came along and it was like all Yeah, everything about reality, everything about, you know, the political class, everything about Hollywood media, everything about that you see and perceive is all bullshit.
But we're going to give you an out.
We're going to give you the key to sort of see underneath the veil, sort of understand what's really, really going on.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, for genuine reasons, the feeling of unreality is getting deeper.
Yes.
So you've got to keep explaining it.
And so, yeah, of course, the hooks are there.
For my next story, a QAnon candidate runs for Congress in Oregon, so we have yet another QAnon candidate.
Her name is, this is another great name, you're gonna like this one too, is Jo Rae Perkins.
Jo Rae Perkins.
Jo Rae, Joab, and who else?
This person is just a collection of barbecue sauce names.
Absog, Jesse, Jane, Duff.
You did this on purpose.
You just made up all of these names because you knew you were having someone on who wasn't American.
Absalom Jimbug.
If you want your child to not get red-pilled, give them a boring name.
So, she is currently running to represent Oregon's 4th Congressional District in the U.S.
House of Representatives.
She was even recently granted a verified account from Twitter.
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah!
Nice.
Fantastic.
Whatever.
Who gives a shit?
And she is fully, fully pilled.
Recently, after being ratioed for sharing a video from QAnon promoter PrayingMedic on Twitter, Perkins responded by tweeting this.
Did I strike a nerve?
For those who state Q is conspiracy, rhetorical question for you.
They all talk like this.
It's so funny.
Every time I read a fucking pro-Q quote, I can read it in that same QSN like shopping network voice because they all talk the same.
Sorry.
I hear it as anime.
Yeah.
Did I strike a nerve?
For those who state Q is conspiracy, rhetorical question for you.
What if you are wrong?
If I am wrong, then the mathematical improbability of coincidence has failed.
We've been fed many lies for years.
Are you too afraid to look behind the curtain?
I am not.
I think it's anime.
Hold up.
Can I take one of those lines again?
I think I may have the cadence.
Yes, yes.
Go for it.
We've been fed many lies for years.
Are you too afraid to look behind the curtain?
I'm not.
No, no, I'm sorry.
I'm not!
There it is.
Because it would have to keep going up because they're filling time where they're speaking.
And so whenever they go up, they stay up.
This week on Anime Voice Acting Academy... We're your hosts.
In an interview with Jared Holt of Right Wing Watch, Joe Ray Perkins talked about how open promotion of QAnon may affect her electoral chances.
It's a very highly calculated risk that I'm taking.
Most people play it a lot safer than I do.
It's either pure genius or pure insanity.
It's one of the two.
The voters are going to have to be the ones that make that decision.
I like that basically this could apply to wearing a penis helmet.
It's just like, yeah, you're brave, I guess.
You're doing a thing everyone's creeped out by or doesn't really enjoy.
How brave!
Yeah, I guess, but we can't really judge quite yet.
The election hasn't happened.
So this marks at least eight congressional candidates and one state-level candidate who openly promotes QAnon coming up for the 2020 crop.
So it should be a good year.
It's going to be a great year.
It should be one of them gets in.
For us, if one of them gets in.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine if it actually gets into Congress?
It's going to be like an episode of The Simpsons.
We're going to have to listen.
We're going to run out of cement by filling in all those underground tunnels.
It's going to suck.
I'll tell you what I'm really excited about.
I'm really excited for centrist Democrats to try to triangulate a QAnon person.
They're trying to micro-target them.
Chuck Schumer locks himself in a jail cell and cams all his meals to prove he doesn't eat babies over the course of years.
We all have to adapt to the new situation.
Neera Tanden's like, uh, sorry, who wins when we allow our elites to systematically abuse children all over the world?
It starts with P and ends with an Ooten.
And for my final story, we have a new tally of how often Trump has boosted QAnon Twitter accounts.
A friend of the show, Alex Kaplan, over at Media Matters, has been doing the hard work of calculating just how often Trump boosts QAnon accounts, and he recently updated the total.
According to the recent tally, Trump has amplified tweets from QAnon accounts at least 72 times via at least 58 individual accounts.
Oh my god, you guys.
Seventy-two?
Fifty-eight?
Oh god.
Seven plus two is nine.
Okay.
Plus eight is seventeen!
Oh, I'm pilled.
I'm pilled.
Forget about the five, because five in the QAnon numerology, five did not... It goes four to six.
Four to six.
There's no five.
That's a red herring.
Seventeen.
Startups as Conspiracy Theories.
So this seems like a bit of an odd fit, but with my podcast talking so much about the tech industry and the way in
which the tech industry operates as a kind of gigantic legalized fraud machine,
I've come to see startups less as businesses and more as something that can be explained with the logic of
conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theories are powerful.
They're They're powerful and they're seductive to people because they tug at this thread that things are going wrong and they're not in your control and there are people who are controlling them and they're not being controlled in your interest.
And I think the tech industry is one of these things that's so unaccountable and so opaque and also is sort of so transparently fraudulent.
It's one of these things that creates a lot of like Verdant soil for conspiracy theories to thrive in.
So I'm going to start us off with a quote from Elaine Moore in the Financial Times.
Hype is one of the tech sector's most magical qualities.
Like Uber and Lyft, no one can say for sure whether its business actually works.
So I want to start, though, with WeWork.
It's one we all know.
It's the basics.
This quote is from the first page of their S-1, which is the legal document companies have to file in order to trade on stock markets in the U.S.
Quote, we dedicate this to the power of we, greater than any one of us, but inside each of us.
Lovely stuff.
I know.
It's beautiful.
Yeah, and it's worth $47 billion.
Shit like this has led people to talk about WeWork specifically as a cult of personality around its moronic founder Adam Neumann.
But when you look at the business underlying it, then I think it's much more profitable, sort of analytically, to see WeWork not as a cult, but as one arm of a global conspiracy to, like, basically invent money.
Now, before I get too much further into this, it will probably surprise no one to learn
that I'm a Marxist, and the conspiracy I'm describing is basically also described in
Capital but not as a conspiracy, rather as the dynamics of a particular system.
What I'm doing is taking Marx's discussion of how the capitalist system actually works
and putting human faces on it and turning his systemic critique into a conspiracy theory,
but that is very real and not very well obfuscated.
So, we all know that WeWork had about a $47 billion valuation at the time of its IPO.
But how it got there is, like I said, best understood as a conspiracy rather than just the normal operations of the market operating as it does.
Spoiler alert, both of these things are true at once.
SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son.
Now, SoftBank is like the main investor.
It's the driver of a lot of the tech bubble, and we'll get back to it.
But the CEO, Masayoshi Son, and WeWork CEO, Newman, met for less than 30 minutes back in 2016 before Son decided to invest in WeWork.
This investment was to the tune of $10.7 billion, either from SoftBank's coffers or from a separate financing vehicle established by San called the Vision Fund, which was $100 billion of money to invest in technology and specifically the companies that will invent the future.
I hate when these people steal lines from Mark Fisher.
But mainly, this money was from Saudi Arabia, who contributed about half.
So, when we say SoftBank, mostly what we mean is Saudi oil money being laundered through a kind of innovation language lorem ipsum.
Oh, God!
Oh, Jake is not working with his brain.
Oh, no.
So, basically, while WeWork had many investors, it was SoftBank's initial $2 billion investment round in January that secured WeWork its $47 billion valuation.
So, just for some context, WeWork's next biggest competitor, Regus, in terms of office space leasing, was worth $12 billion but had way more spaces under management and way more assets.
WeWork's valuation was based almost entirely on vibes.
Which is, everything is vibe now.
Politics, vibes, economy, vibes.
Music has always been vibes.
People aren't even rapping anymore, they're just bleeping and blooping.
In many ways, music is the first vibes.
Yeah, music is like so much vibes right now.
Slight digression here, because a lot of times, like the business news will talk about companies being valued at this or that, but I think a lot of people don't know how that actually works.
What happens is, it's essentially the same mechanic as Dragon's Den or Shark Tank, where you have a view of how much your business is worth, they have a view of how much your business is worth, and then they buy a certain percent of your business for a certain price.
And if they're reputable, then your business is now widely considered to be worth that much.
So, JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs handled the day-to-day operations of launching the IPO, suggesting an even higher post-IPO valuation of $63 or $96 billion in terms of market capitalization.
So, here we have a firm that is more into liabilities in terms of a percentage of its assets, but just has fewer everything overall than its next biggest competitor, but is valued at between four and eight to ten times as much in the open market.
And this is based on SoftBank, JP Morgan, and Goldman Sachs.
So, what's this based on?
So, WeWork is a good example of the startup as a conspiracy theory.
Because it didn't even have that value in theory.
Like, they couldn't even state their path to profitability or list any significant assets.
Ever.
It didn't even own space.
Its business model, in brief, was to take out long-term leases in some of the most expensive areas of the most expensive cities in the entire world, spruce up the spaces at least wholesale, and then retail those leases back to basically the most insecure people on the planet in terms of, like, job security.
Or to startup, which rise and fall sort of every three days.
So basically, so long as the economy would continue to grow in that sector forever, they would probably be okay.
But the moment there was going to be a contraction, the entire business would fall apart.
This is how it was structured.
It was structured this way.
Yeah.
So by the time of their IPO, they owed $47 billion, so their entire valuation, in future
lease payments to building owners, but the actual revenue of people they had committed,
so like, if you added up every single signed lease that they had, was $4 billion.
And no increase in revenue could make up for this, as every dollar they earned cost $2
to bring in.
But Riley, you're forgetting, you're forgetting that when they went and pitched this, they
were like, look, here's the vision.
They were like, a life coach who is getting money from her parents to fund her life coaching
business.
She can rent an office space and feel like she has a legitimate business.
And that kind of personality will make us wealthy beyond our wildest dreams.
And it's true.
The only people I know who fucking work at WeWork are these shitty life coaches that fucking Are you still addressing Riley?
I've been angry for 15 minutes since we've been talking about WeWork.
I wanted to get this point across.
I interrupted Riley to get it across at a point when it didn't make sense in the conversation.
And now I'm turning it back over to you guys.
Well, I've got to say, this is an incredibly innovative way to lose massive amounts of money.
I've heard of ways to lose money, but this way is brand new, breaking new ground.
What if we drilled into the earth until the core, and then found a way to make pouring money into that crack profitable?
Oh, I have a startup that we're going to talk about at the end that more or less does that.
Fantastic.
So, to sum up their position, this is from the firm's actual S-1 filing on their statement
of expected probability.
Quote, we have a history of losses and especially if we continue to grow at an accelerated rate,
we may be unable to achieve profitability at a company level for the foreseeable future.
Cool.
So in effect, we have a company which is basically a legal entity that owns almost nothing,
or rather it owns a lot of leases, including the lease of its own legal name,
at least we from Adam Neumann himself personally, for $5.9 million a year.
Yes, he gave himself $6 million by registering the name to himself and then leasing it to his company.
Yes, six million dollars for that great idea of ripping his own company off.
Of we?
Of we?
That's it?
It's just we?
You can own that?
Yeah.
Well, what about the iPod?
I hate this world.
Apple owns I. This guy owns we now.
We're fucked, basically.
It's great.
It's like J.J.
Abrams owning the plane crashing sound effect at the beginning of Lost.
That was essentially the opening theme song and he got paid by ASCAP again on top of his producing and writing fees and showrunner fees.
What you don't know is that J.J.
Abrams also owns the sound of the planes hitting the Twin Towers.
The other thing you have to remember about this, right, is that Adam Neumann's not trademarking the name WE to funnel money from some random investor.
It's basically just Saudi oil money.
So who's even defrauding who?
Because you basically have to imagine that Adam Neumann is personally in one of those money centrifuges from Chuck E. Cheese or whatever, except the thing powering the money centrifuge is also destroying the planet.
Interesting.
This is actually kind of a very QAnon thing, because in QAnon, they believe that the Saudi royal family is one of the three entities that controls the world, along with the Rothschilds and George Soros.
And they believe that one of the ways that Saudi Arabia controls the world is through investments in, basically, technology.
I mean, that's literally the Vision Fund.
That's literally the Vision Fund.
Except, the key is, they're wrong because Again, they're right a little bit, but they're wrong in substance.
They're right a little bit because, yes, that's what they're trying to do.
But more importantly, what they need to do is actually profitably invest that money.
But I'll explain the dynamics of that with Marx sort of a little bit later.
But the key with SoftBank Vision Fund and the Saudi investment in technology is to remember that all of it's shit and doesn't work.
So don't worry about it.
Anyway, I would say that losing enormous amounts of money Right, but nonetheless agreed through a set agreements between opaque high-level and unaccountable people is best understood as a conspiracy.
How does the actual functioning of the tech sector work in that it can continue delivering high returns to all of its elite players, whether that's the Vision Fund or the people running startups or whatever, Uh, is again, understood sort of in, as a corollary to the modern art market.
So how that works as like a tax, um, tax laundering scheme.
So I, a rich person and known art collector, have a banana taped to a wall.
I have the banana appraised at some millions of dollars.
The banana is now quote unquote worth some millions of dollars and I can sell it or I can donate it and then use it, enjoy a commensurate write down on my taxes.
I did.
I learned about it on the Kardashian Show.
and marketers effectively conspire to steal from the public.
Oh God.
Nice. And much the same thing is happening with startups. Oh, by the way, that's literally how the modern
art market works. I don't know if you guys knew that. I did. I learned about it on the
Kardashian show. Oh, God.
Because Khloe and Scott convinced the mother, Kris, that a painting that Khloe has made,
which is like, you know, absolute dog shit, was like really from this very fancy artist
and they gift it to the mother.
She has it appraised, and they appraise it at this ridiculous fucking thing, and it just goes to show you that all of this shit is made up, and it means nothing, and nothing means anything.
Yeah, and people would understand that if they watched the Kardashians.
But you don't forget, it doesn't mean anything in terms of art, but it does mean something legally, because that art is then officially appraised at that level, which means you can then borrow against it, you can lose it and write off your taxes, you can donate it and write off your taxes, or you can sell it to a sucker.
But then that sucker has something that has been appraised at that level.
So that's basically how—similar thing with this.
The similar thing with startups.
WeWork was quote-unquote worth $47 billion because Masayoshi Son appraised it at $47 billion, and right up until the moment of the IPO, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs just went along with him.
They agreed that it was worth $47 billion, or maybe more, despite the fact that every single person involved So, firstly, you have to also understand that everybody in the highest level insulates themselves from losses.
So SoftBank's investment was in, quote, preferred shares, which is a tranche not available to the public.
So their money was first in, but first out.
They invest, let the media hype and hype and hype and hype the company, say it's going to change the world, whatever, whatever.
It's going to become a monopoly.
And then, they get to pull out first when the stock's a dog.
JP Morgan and Goldman still stand to make all their money in transaction fees from handling the IPO.
And so, the thing is, if Adam Neumann and his cronies had been 5% less clearly and transparently stupid and corrupt, then the IPO would have gone ahead, and these people would have all gotten paid, while every retail investor got fucked, and the autonomy takes another multi-billion dollar hammer blow in the form of another real estate bubble bursting, But centered around one fucking company.
Yeah.
So they're not good at ripping everybody off, so they fucked it up.
Well, that's the thing.
This one's not, but this one's the stupidest one they did.
Imagine how many other ones are out there that are 5% less dumb.
And in fact, we'll go on to some that are a little bit less dumb that are unraveling now.
Why invest in such unprofitable companies?
There are a couple connected reasons.
One, if you don't make a profit, but you build market share, then you can become a monopolist, enjoy monopoly power, and charge monopoly rents.
So, for example, Google and Facebook have become monopoly publishers because they didn't make very much money for a long time, and now they make money.
Amazon became the monopoly retailer because it didn't make a lot of money for a long time, then made money.
If you have enough money, like SoftBank does with all of the Saudi oil money behind it, then they can afford to make tons of losses for a long time and then become a monopoly.
Again, fortunately, their stupidity is their main saving grace, the fact that they're very bad at it.
But also, in a low or negative interest rate world, they're quite simply, and this is where the Marxism comes in, isn't anywhere else to put that money that will outpace inflation.
And so this is what we say the rate of profit has a tendency to fall.
It means that you go further and further to chase profits that are harder and harder to come by.
And since regular people don't have the money to spend on things, there's an awful lot of money, especially in oil-producing Gulf monarchies, that has to go somewhere.
Consumers don't have the money to buy things like they used to.
They don't have the money to buy cars like they used to.
And wages haven't risen, so people can't consume.
So how are you going to find returns to capital if all the money is in the hands of capitalists?
You need to find monopoly power so it can extract rents.
And so all this money goes to Silicon Valley as VC money laundered through prestigious firms like
SoftBank. So WeWork wasn't so much a company as it was a kind of glorified checking account
for the Saudis and Apple. Apple's another major investor in the Vision Fund, by the way,
because Apple has so much money, they're also running out of places to put it.
This is why the Vision Fund is necessary. Yeah, it's why the Vision Fund is necessary,
because they actually have too much money and they need to lose some.
And what you have then is you have collusion between venture capitalists and startup companies to basically just keep pumping money into them to protect those investments until they can be profitably recovered.
So you basically agree between yourselves what the company is worth.
And then you write down that number, and then it's worth that much.
If you have enough money to make that valuation real, then who's to challenge you?
And like I was saying, there are a lot of companies out there that are about as corrupt as we work, but are also about 5% smarter and won't be as obvious about their corruption.
And the SoftBank Vision Fund is basically a rogues gallery of them because of how it's managed.
Why do we keep getting these useless startups getting ludicrous valuations despite never making any money?
It's not a bug, it's a feature of the conspiracy.
Because this story doesn't begin and end with WeWork.
WeWork was like the bit of the conspiracy where the mask slips.
But it's much bigger than that.
So, the Vision Fund was launched by Softbank in 2017 to invest in disruptive tech businesses.
Though, as ever with tech investing, it is mostly a vehicle for Saudi oil money.
And specifically Saudi, not so much Qatari or Emirati, to invest itself.
They tend to invest in property more.
And this isn't limited to SoftBank.
It includes every venture capital firm you've heard of and many you haven't.
Y Combinator, Peter Thiel, Sequoia Capital, Like Kleiner Perkins, all of it.
This is not new.
Every wave of venture capital in the U.S.
has largely been about investing Saudi oil money.
It's no coincidence that venture capital first took off as a category during the energy price crisis of the 1970s, when the U.S.
and U.K.
etc.
entered the age of secular low productivity.
Because this money is going places and has to go somewhere.
And all the QAnon people saying it's about control, they're not really right.
That's not what the Saudis need.
Capital just needs a return and venture capital, as it is, because it's all about seeking monopolies,
is one of the few ways that you can receive a dependable return in a secular, low productivity
economy.
So what is it that the Vision Fund aims to do for the Saudis?
Why invest in companies that don't do anything?
This is from Bloomberg.
The strategy that Masayoshi Son and his all-male phalanx of managing partners followed seems
less about any specific technology than about placing large bets on the buzziest startups.
But the real strategy behind the Vision Fund seems to involve another Masayoshi Son principle.
Big money means big strategic advantages.
The idea that festooning entrepreneurs with hundreds of millions of dollars and urging them to spend at an exorbitant pace will scare off competitors and allow the Vision Fund to mint its own behemoths.
No one wants to pick a fight with the crazy guy.
And so that's basically what it is.
It's just insanity.
But we've agreed that it's fine.
So I've got a few actual questions for you guys.
What other WeWorks?
I've called this section.
So we know they invested a total of about $11 billion in WeWork, $8 billion in Uber.
Neither of these have made any money.
And two of the below we've talked about on TF before, actually three because I'm going to add one more, I'll leave you to guess what they do.
The first one, OYO.
The company is called OYO.
What do you think they do?
Own Your Oncologist.
Own Your Oreo.
Own Your Own.
Own Your Own!
It rents Oreos to people.
Oh, no.
You're right.
On Your Own.
It stands for On Your Own.
On Your Own!
Nice.
Okay.
Men's rights?
What's... So, it's men going their own way.
No.
So, what it is, is it is a website.
It's worth, I think, $10 billion.
It's a website.
Of course it is.
That aggregates small hotels in India, China, and certain parts of the United States, and some of Europe, rebrands them with free breakfast and its trademark black and red sheets, and then says, you must give us over your rights of booking, and your room booking software, and your right to set prices.
We'll guarantee your occupancy for about a year, and then you're on your own, but We'll handle all the booking, we'll handle all the admin, and we'll get you tons of business travelers.
Hotels signed up to this en masse, paid like a few thousand dollars to retrofit themselves, but then the company just didn't produce any business travelers, and so now it's basically just shutting down hotels around the world at no benefit to anyone.
I can't remember which one of you it was, but earlier one of you mentioned that there would one day be like a startup that's just shoveling money into a hole in the earth.
This is it.
There we go, baby.
Because what they've done is they've used Saudi oil money and then Apple's massive reserve of cash to pay hotels to turn off all of their booking and marketing operations and then rebrand in an ugly way for about a year.
And then fail?
Yeah.
So, the startup is that we make hotels not work anymore?
Yeah.
Just so they can put some red sheets.
I mean, a lot of the tech startup world is just like, what if this industry didn't have labor laws?
That's like their idea.
Essentially, their idea is like an old man who shows up with a magical stick, and he's like, for one year you will be Yeah.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
of no matter what you have to do nothing except use our patented colored sheets
yeah but all the business will be blessed unto you after one year I will
disappear and you will and you will be left and you will be left to continue
the system on your own I have given you the head start.
And then it disappears in a fucking pink mist.
Interesting.
Exactly.
I was always told the way to build a business is that you come up with a product or service that creates more value to people's lives than you have to invest in resources, right?
But this sounds like the real way is to basically Tell a wild story to some Saudi billionaires about how they're going to rule the world.
Yes.
The richest among us are just the troubadours who charm the Saudis in their tents.
Oh, it's bard shit.
It's bard shit.
It's all bard shit.
Who will carry the stories?
Toss a coin to your startup, etc.
I have another one.
I've got another one.
I'm going to bust through a couple of these.
Compass.
$400 million investment for a $6.4 billion valuation.
What do we think Compass does?
It's a network of hiking trails.
Compass.
It's like, I don't know, I'll bet it has to do with fucking healthcare somehow.
No, the last hint is they recently released a press release that says, why we aren't like WeWork.
Okay, so they're a big leasing, you know, your startup company can live inside their building and it's a network of buildings and they've got a cafeteria.
Okay.
It's real estate related, so I'll tell you what it is.
It's another website and they basically are trying to rebrand every local real estate agent in America to be higher end and to have some predictive search functions on one single website.
And it's worth $6.4 billion.
But they can't keep any senior staff.
Everyone keeps leaving, but they're sure they're not WeWork.
So it's like a real estate aggregation site?
Yeah.
By the way, all of these have to be tech companies in some surface-level way.
So with OYO, what they do is they use machine learning to predict, literally, where portraits of Marilyn Monroe will increase income.
Yeah.
That's not a joke.
That's something that they did.
They bragged about it.
They said that it increases revenue by up to 10% in certain hotels.
And Compass has some tools that they developed that, according to everyone who works with them, don't work.
Here's one more.
Zoom, spelled Z-U-M-E.
$200 million investment for a $4 billion valuation.
Fuck, isn't this the fucking, this sounds like the Zoom, the Microsoft version of the iPod.
No, but this is Zoom.
I know, I know it's not that.
It is a... It's food-related.
Diarrhea diaper.
I'll tell you that.
Zoom.
It is a... A ray gun.
It is an artificial eyeball.
It is an adventure lifestyle travel agency.
No, no.
What it is, is it's a van that makes pizza while it drives.
I think I played with this toy as a kid.
This is the Ninja Turtles kit.
Does it shoot pizzas out of the top?
So it started as a startup to deliver pizza in the Bay Area, but it makes the pizza while it drives to you.
And these were famously awful pizzas, so it almost went out of business.
It had one van left, and then the CEO, Alex Garden, said he wanted to be, quote, the Amazon of food, went to SoftBank, got hundreds of millions of dollars of investment, and now they have 14 different projects going, one of which is actually to bring back Serfdom, called a GigaFarm.
The only other product that they've actually delivered is they spent two weeks trying to brainstorm what a better package for a pizza would be, and came up with a circular package that they've sold to Pizza Hut.
Wow, what if the box was round?
Okay, moving on!
I'll do one more.
WAG.
$300 million investment for a $650 million valuation.
They were like, we need to own almost half this company.
Dog Walker Social Network.
Yep, correct.
Correct, that's what it is.
This is now from Press.
This dog walking firm has since been through several chief executives and SoftBank was pressured to divest from it.
So what happened is the scam stopped working because it got slightly too obvious.
We all knew what WeWork was, and then everyone who could influence SoftBank was like, fucking stop it.
Fucking stop it.
But just as WeWork is only the tip of the SoftBank iceberg, SoftBank is only the tip of the VC iceberg.
And basically, This is the best way to understand that the entire industry is more or less fraudulent, because as much as we like to talk about it as a conspiracy, and I think I've made a pretty compelling case that it is, the most important thing really is that it's just marketing.
It's contentless marketing designed to obfuscate one simple truth, which is that there is currently no profitability left in productivity, and without a massive redistribution of wealth downwards, It's better now for the rich simply to invent money by agreement and then scam it from one another, or more frequently, from the public en masse.
And that's the conspiracy.
And the reason that SoftBank in particular is melting down is they got slightly too obvious with what they were doing, but no other VC firm is that different, and they all do this.
Well, this is very depressing.
Thank you for sharing all that.
I'm going to quit the podcast.
I give up.
I'm pretending people are worth being intelligent.
I'm going to go ahead and just move to Silicon Valley, and I'm going to get a pile of magic beans, call it Bean IQ, and then sell it for a billion dollars.
And Riley, you were talking about how the point of starting these companies is to move towards monopoly, but it seems to me like they've kind of retrofitted that into their business plan.
They're like, what if we had enough money to put a dome over the entire market and then tell everyone what to do for a year or whatever, you know?
It's always just like, what if I had the resources to own all of you at once and I got to reorganize it like a child, like a bored child?
There are a couple of things of how to understand that, right?
Number one, like that's kind of what SoftBank is doing.
The idea is you become so big that you set the rules of your own, of your own sector.
So if WAG becomes the world's first billion dollar dog walking startup, it's allowed to set the price of what a dog walk costs, right?
Like that's, that's the idea.
And because SoftBank has enough capital, it can just invent monopolies.
The problem is everyone's scamming one another.
And so a lot of deeply incompetent or stupid people.
So like Adam Newman, for example, Interact with SoftBank in such a way that they actually have that much money and fail to become a monopolist because they're that dumb.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When they can't even make the money work like a club, you know, that's... Yeah.
It's brute force stuff, man.
Like, a lot of this, it's just wild.
There's nothing subtle about it.
No.
The whole point is chasing after monopolies because that's the only place the returns are, you know?
you're not going to make any money selling widgets to, you know, Bob and Doug McKenzie.
Thanks so much for preparing that that segment.
I think it was really, really interesting stuff.
I know that Jake has written a story of some sort.
He claims it's not a story, it's more a platform.
No, it's not a story.
I started to think about a story, and then I was kind of reading through the episode, and I was like, man, this is giving me a ton of ideas, and I thought maybe I would just kind of take a crack at my own startup.
Oh, you're going to pitch?
Yeah, I've got a little bit of a pitch here.
I've actually, just in the other room, I've assembled about 200 investors.
I hope that's cool.
I coordinated with your wife, she said it was okay.
Yeah, she loves investors.
So they're all sitting in the living room, so we can just kind of move the operation into there.
I'm going to address everybody at once.
Good afternoon.
When Joe M. asked me here today to give a speech about the exciting new horizons being explored at We Go All Solutions, I felt something that I hadn't felt in a long time.
Genuine fear.
How can I, a moderately red-pilled at best civilian, even come close to capturing the courage, spirit, and patriotism of the founders of this amazing company that began just three years ago in Joe Zanti's garage with a single computer and a very slow internet connection?
It hasn't been easy.
We've had to fight tooth and nail against social media giants like Twitter, Reddit, and YouTube, just to get our product out there.
If it weren't for great corporations like Facebook, who have fiercely defended the free market these last couple of years, we might be closing up shop, sending good, hard-working people home to their families, unable to afford even standard high-speed internet.
But the tides are shifting.
A new generation, and many older ones, are wide awake.
But millions, if not billions, of our fellow Americans are what some might say, AFK.
As I'm sure you know, multiple high-ranking politicians, including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, will be captured in the coming days, and after what I'm sure will be quick trials, will be publicly executed.
There is nothing anyone can do to stop this, and soon after, the entire world will live in perfect harmony, forever.
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That's right.
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To get a little more in-depth, I want to bring to the stage our head of product, Riley Quinn.
Riley, why don't you tell the audience what a typical liberal might experience upon entering one of our state-of-the-art, toe-to-soe safe houses.
I'll do my best, Jake.
Pop quiz, hotshot.
I voted for Obama twice and just saw him executed in Guantanamo Bay live on television.
What do I do?
Well, first, I open Twitter to complain.
And that's when I'm immediately hit with a targeted ad for Totoso.
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So what happens then?
I click on the ad, and then what?
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Because each is owned, operated, and run by our Q Ambassadors, each one will be a slightly different experience.
That's right.
When our ambassadors sign up on the host end of the app, they'll get to choose what aspect of QAnon they'd prefer to focus on in their sessions.
Interested in the Q Clock and Gematria?
There's a safe house for that.
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There's a safe house for that.
So the guest will show up, cry for a little while, apologize profusely, and then typically our host and guest will engage in a calming activity, like fishing or playing video games, while the host unloads hours and hours of knowledge, allowing ample time for each guest to come to terms with how wrong they've always been.
Fancy yourself a chef?
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Now, is it singles only?
What if a guest wanted to bring their girlfriend or wife?
I'm glad you asked, Jake.
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Travis, come on out!
Now, Travis, what did you think of QAnon before attending one of Totoso's safe houses?
Not ideal.
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Thank you.
Wow.
Really beautiful stuff.
I don't enjoy a lot that it sounds like Travis is employing a system of cuckolding, but I thought it was a nice flourish.
Thank you.
Revenue, continue to pour in, even in the turn of the new decade, and we'll see what the future holds for Totoso, a Jake Rokotansky Oh, your name's on it now, okay.
I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but it sounds to me at least like a $3.8 billion valuation is in order.
You're seriously undervaluing the company.
I think $20 billion.
The fact that we could educate and own every liberal in the country at the same time, on the same platform, we could not only make the world a better place, but we could also create our own space program.
Hosts have graciously offered their spare bedrooms, couches, and even rec rooms for confused liberals to stay in overnight for as long as they want, forever.
Absolutely gorgeous stuff.
I'll be investing.
I think Travis is looking very interested.
The 200 people that were, I guess, hanging out with my wife for a while there.
For some reason, are also deciding to invest.
I can see them all screaming and tearing each other apart.
You can find me on Twitter.
My DMs are open.
I will be available to talk contracts and potential kickbacks for me personally after the presentation.
Thank you for that, Jake.
You've really inspired me to read your stories ahead of time before we do these episodes now.
And when they say, uh, how, how could we have been so wrong?
He, he, he ended up, he ended up fucking us over.
I'll go toe-to-soe.
Uh, all right.
Riley, uh, thank you so much for joining us for the episode.
Can you tell our audience where to find your podcast and how to follow you?
Yeah.
Thank you.
Hey, thank you very much for having me and letting me expound my insane theories.
Uh, before I go, I'd like to leave you with one thing.
You don't need to be a conspiracist to understand the crisis of low productivity and capitalism and how elites collude to basically solve it.
But it's funny if you are, but you could still just be a system.
Don't be a conspiracist.
Be a systematic analyst.
We're better than conspiracies.
But thank you very much for having me on.
I had a lot of fun.
You can find my podcast, Trashfuture, wherever you find podcasts.
It's all one word.
You can subscribe it.
We've got a Patreon like these guys, five bucks a month.
It's what the market will bear, apparently.
And that's the whole vibe.
And so where can people follow you on Twitter?
I'm at Raleh.
R-A-L-E-H.
And Trashfuture is at TrashfuturePod.
Go listen, go follow.
And thanks again for joining us, Raleigh.
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We'll travel far to the city of Los Angeles where we'll do a live show with Jake telling a live story with sound effects and music.
Go to tickets.qanonanonymous.com.
I'll be making the sound effects with my mouth.
It's gonna be really cool, new experience for everybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm very excited.
I'd like to go see J-Rock live in concert.
You should also get some merch.
We have a brand new Mud Fossil University design with a Mud Fossil University logo on the breast and then rocks on the back.
Or you can get a full rocks down the front.
It's a beautiful drawing.
Go and check that out at merch.QAnonAnonymous.com.
There's plenty of other designs.
We got stickers.
We got pins.
We got all the stuff.
Go and check it out!
Yeah, I'm browsing it now.
He's browsing it now!
So, at least there's one person on this podcast.
I'll go to the side if you want me to, Julian.
A liar.
Okay, two people, I guess.
Jake, will you take us out with that beautiful tongue?
The silver tongue of yours?
Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's fact.
There's a lot of evidence and symbolism with Tom Hanks.
I mean, you could go look at some of the work he's done.
You can look at some of the skits he's done on Saturday Night Live.
You can look at some of the movies he's been in.
One of the first movies he did was something about a red shoe.
I can't remember the title.
Sorry.
I'm sure you'll write it in the comments.
It was a movie about red shoes.
We know that red shoes are significant, symbolic to the occult because they make leather red shoes out of baby's skin.
Q wrote recently This, this actually he reposted this.
It's a duplicate drop.
First indictment unsealed will trigger mass population awakening.
First arrest will verify action and confirm future direction.
They will fight but you are ready.
Marker 9 Q. So La'Anne Hunter predicting that Tom Hanks will be the first Unsealed, like big name unsealed indictment.
You can also do a search in qmap.pub for the word big and Q's mentioned the word big a lot and he's mentioned the word big a lot recently.
