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Republican Debate II
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Hello everybody, Dennis Prager here.
Last night I spoke at Arizona State University along with Charlie Kirk, the founder of TPUSA, Turning Point USA. I think there were 350 or so students there.
Charlie told me that ASU would not allow him to have a bigger venue.
I think if it was a left-wing group they would have given him a bigger venue.
There were about 200 students turned away.
Just thought you ought to know about that.
And I'll give you more of a report on it.
Last night was another Republican debate.
The woman that I do the Dennis and Julie podcast with and who does her own podcast on the Salem Radio Network, Timeless, Julie Hartman, I just learned, was there.
So I have her on the line.
Hi, Dennis.
Whom did you meet?
Oh, my gosh.
The better question is, whom didn't I meet?
I met Carrie Lake, all of the candidates I was able to speak with, even if just for a few seconds afterwards.
I unfortunately met Governor Gavin Newsom, who was strangely there.
I asked him why he was there.
We were huddled in a crowd of reporters, and he said, I'm here to defend the Biden administration.
He also said that the Biden administration, both the president and the vice president, asked him to come, which is a bit strange because, obviously, he wasn't up on the stage.
I met Sean Hannity, who's lovely.
I spoke with Dana Bash.
She was next to me in the spin room, though I don't agree with her politics.
She was also lovely.
It was a very fascinating night.
All right, and why don't you think of the debate itself?
Frankly, Dennis, I thought a lot of it was embarrassing.
There were some really what I would call cringe moments throughout the night.
First of all, I thought that the questions were really not great.
Dana Perino is under fire for a question that she asked where she asked the candidate, if there is one of you up here who you would vote off the island, who would you vote to remove from this stage?
And to his credit, Governor Ron DeSantis cut it and said, come on, this is childish.
This is not who we are.
Let's talk about issues pertaining to the country.
That was a bit of an embarrassing moment.
Chris Christie had a joke that I can tell you from sitting in the audience flopped.
He said that Donald Trump is behaving so terribly that soon people are going to start calling him Donald Duck.
No one laughed at that.
In fact, many people cringed at it.
To make matters even weirder, Chris Christie made a joke about how President Biden is, quote, sleeping with a member of a teacher's union.
I assume that he was referring to Jill Biden, the first lady.
I know that she's a professor.
I didn't know she was a member of a teacher's union.
And then former Vice President Mike Pence cuts in and says, well, I've been sleeping with a teacher for 38 years, i.e.
his own wife.
Who also I didn't know was a teacher.
The point in my telling you this, Dennis, is that there were many of those moments which had nothing to do with the many issues plaguing our country.
They were childish, and it just seemed like it was more entertainment and not what it is supposed to be, which is showing the American people their options for the next commander-in-chief.
Did anybody look like a serious presidential individual?
Governor Ron DeSantis was by far the most presidential individual up on that stage.
He has a very good way of cutting through the fray and getting to the issues.
Someone who is close to me, a name I just won't mention, and whose opinion I respect said the exact same thing, and is not a fan of DeSantis.
I happen to think very highly of Ron DeSantis, but that's not the...
The point, I think, highly of a number of them, but I certainly do of him.
So your opinion seems to have been widespread, and it's not just that person.
The general consensus of commentators was that Ron DeSantis looked, quote-unquote, presidential.
I was disappointed, because I have great respect for Nikki Haley.
And I was disappointed at the comment that she made that the more Vivek Ravaswami speaks, the dumber she becomes.
How did that line go over?
Well, people in the audience chuckled a little bit.
I think that there is a growing contingent in the Republican Party that is not too enamored with Vivek.
Frankly, I don't quite understand it.
I think Vivek is an excellent candidate.
I think that the things that he talks about are bold and needed.
But yes, that was a really low moment.
And the thing, Dennis, that was sad was, up until that point, Nikki Haley, I thought, was performing beautifully.
I actually tweeted, so far, Nikki Haley is the standout.
And then she said that about Vivek.
And by the way, the point that she was making, they were talking about why Vivek Ramaswamy was on TikTok.
Now, I don't use TikTok because of its ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
But Vivek was asked about why he goes on TikTok.
And he gave what I thought was a very appropriate answer that we need to win.
We need to reach the younger generation in order to combat the Chinese.
And if using TikTok is a way to do it...
I want to use their own tool against them.
And so I just thought Nikki Haley should have respectfully disagreed with that.
She said that Vivek should not be using TikTok.
But to resort to these personal attacks, it did not make her look good, to your point.
It seems to me that the only person adversely affected by these insults is the person who makes the insult.
Yeah.
Why isn't it obvious to them?
Why is it only obvious to us?
That's not just in politics.
You're absolutely right.
Also, to use the cliche, if it becomes a circular firing squad, it just benefits the people who are tearing down America, the Democrats.
Absolutely.
And most of the night was just the candidates yelling over one another.
The format of these debates, I think, needs to be changed a bit, including turning off a person's light.
Yes, that's clearly, that is the only way.
You can't keep saying your time is up, your time is up.
Also, the amount of time, I didn't watch the whole thing because I was in Arizona at ASU, but I did watch a fair amount.
And, for example, this extended attack on Vivek Ravaswami by Nikki Haley, and then finally he gets to respond and the moderator says, you have 15 seconds.
Yes.
It was very poorly organized.
I will quickly tell you some highlights of some points that the candidates made pertaining to the issues, which is what we should all be focused on after all.
I thought Nikki Haley made a good point about China.
She said that President Trump had a good policy with China to focus on trade, but that we need to shift our attention to China buying our farmland, establishing the spy base off of Cuba, the fentanyl crisis.
I thought that she was strong on that.
Vivek had a great line about victimhood, the epidemic of victimhood in this country.
That's where I think he's particularly strong, speaking about the culture issues.
And Governor DeSantis...
He said this in the last debate, but he reiterated that if he were president, he would go into Mexico, send drones or other weaponry to eliminate the Mexican drug cartels, which he classifies as a terrorist group.
So look, despite all of the arguing and the cringy moments, I'm actually excited for the future of the Republican Party because we have some candidates.
Who I think will lead us in a good direction in 2024 and beyond.
And I'm not sure the Democratic Party has counterparts like that.
Well, they have Gavin Newsom.
A man of depth.
By the way, the victimhood...
I'll read the exact victimhood line from Rawaswamy.
And I agree with you.
I isolated that.
I've been through hardship growing up.
My father stared...
down layoffs at GE under Jack Welch's tenure at the GE plant in Evandale, Ohio.
My mom had to work overtime in nursing homes in Southwest Ohio to make ends meet and pay off her home loan.
So I understand that hardship is not a choice, but victimhood is a choice and we choose to be victorious in the United States of America.
If I was giving advice to those workers, the ones who were on strike, the auto workers, I would say, go picket in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. That's really where the protests need to be.
Disastrous economic policies that have driven up prices, that have driven up interest rates and mortgage rates, at the same time wages remaining stagnant.
I'll have one more line from that, but I love what he said.
Hardship is not a choice.
Victimhood is a choice.
You and I picked the same line there.
We'll be back in a moment.
I'm speaking to Julie Hartman.
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How many episodes do we have, Julie?
I believe 80 or 81. Unbelievable.
So, again, it's called Dennis and Julie, and Julie Hartman was at the debate last night.
What was the mood like?
You know, I was spending a lot of time in the spin room, which is the media room, with all of the reporters.
I don't know if I'd call myself a reporter, but I was taking the position of a reporter last night.
And I'll tell you a story, Dennis, that was really interesting.
So whenever the candidates, after the debate, of course, when they go into the spin room, whenever the candidates would walk by the press area, of course, all of us would be clamoring to speak with them, yelling, Vivek, Governor DeSantis, please come, you know, we have this question for you.
It was really interesting when Vice President Pence...
He was one of the last people to come out of the debate stage and into the spin room.
When Vice President Pence walked by, no one yelled out his name.
None of us.
And that was the only candidate for whom that was the case.
And that really hit me because I thought, you know, here we have the former Vice President of the United States within two feet of us willing to answer questions.
And none of us seem excited to have that opportunity.
And I think it indicated that the energy around him is low.
I don't think that a lot of the American people are particularly excited by him and think that he is a bit outdated in his positions and in his time politically.
Wow.
That's quite an anecdote.
Anybody else who had passed by, there was a clamoring for the person's attention?
Vivek Ramaswamy was mobbed.
Is that right?
That's fascinating.
Yes.
If you go to my Instagram, at Julie R. Hartman, shameless plug, but you should, all of you should...
No, no, no, it's good.
Julie R. Hartman, H-A-R-T-M-A-N, yeah.
Go on.
You have to see this photo.
I posted it on my Instagram story.
I have a photo of Vivek, and he is literally, he has like...
50 microphones and cameras in his face.
He was being mobbed.
DeSantis was being mobbed, but Vivek by a landslide.
Even though you felt, and many others did, that it was DeSantis who looked the most presidential, why do you think Vivek got the most attention with regard to the media, at least at the event?
Because I think that he is bold and courageous, and he has—look, it is certainly true that Governor DeSantis was the most presidential in his demeanor and with his talking points, but Vivek brings a lot of energy and vitality to the Republican Party.
He certainly does not mince words with how he feels about the administrative state, about the climate change agenda, which he called a hoax in the last debate.
I think also it's great that he's a minority candidate.
He came from, you know, a working class background.
He really rose through the ranks.
He went to Harvard and Yale Law.
I think he's worth close to a billion dollars.
He's a businessman.
And so I think there's a lot to admire with Vivek.
And the key thing, though, is the vitality.
Because he is the future of the Republican Party.
Wow.
That's...
Worth it in itself to have gotten your report.
What did you think of the reporters?
Well, as I mentioned, you know, Sean Hannity was really nice.
Dana Bash was really nice.
But I was with the non-major network reporters.
And boy, Dennis, they're vicious.
They've got sharp elbows.
They will knock you over to get to a candidate.
And by the way, someone, I was telling you how much Vivek was of interest.
Someone literally got knocked over.
As a reporter was trying to get a statement from Vivek.
That's fascinating.
There was an interesting article I read somewhere in, as you know, the vast forest of articles available.
And it was from an Indian-American, meaning from India, an Indian-American left-winger.
Who is so angry that Nikki Haley and Vivek Rawaswamy are prominent Republicans, prominent conservatives, both coming from Indian backgrounds.
In her case, her parents, I believe, are Sikh.
And I assume Vivek's parents are Hindu.
What puzzles me, and I'm not even asking you for an explanation, though, if you have a thought, I'd love to hear it.
It is a phenomenon to me that there would be any Indian American leftist.
They come to the United States, or their parents come to the United States, prosper in a way that would have been impossible in India, and then they crap on it as a leftist.
It's truly a psychological or psychopathological phenomenon.
Did we lose Julie?
Sorry, I think I accidentally muted myself.
Forgive me.
That's an interesting point.
The final thing I'll say is, I find it to be interesting whenever someone smears a candidate for being a Republican because that candidate is a minority.
You know, we hear the left talk about we have to amplify the voices of minorities, protect minorities, but that becomes suspended when they politically disagree with the left.
Then they're fake minorities.
Then they're Uncle Toms, in the case of Clarence Thomas, or traitors to their race.
Isn't that an interesting dynamic, Dennis?
So it's not shocking, sadly, to hear that those have been leveled against Vivek and Nikki Haley.
You know, I'll tell you another interesting thing.
The diversity party doesn't seem to be as diverse as the Republicans.
Two from India.
One black.
A woman.
Oh, wait.
Yeah, she's one of those from India.
Right.
A woman.
Right.
And no Republican cares.
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Thank you.
By the way, there is a line here that is so profound.
That it should actually be used and memorized.
And let me get that for you.
Yes.
I understand that hardship is not a choice.
But victimhood is a choice.
I mean, that's profound.
I think that is the thesis statement of the Republican Party and of conservatism.
You know, because I read your Torah commentary, Dennis, I know that early on in Genesis, God tells, I believe it's Cain or Adam, I think it's Cain, the urge to evil is within you, yet you have the power to master it.
That is Judeo-Christian values, that is conservatism, and that is the Republican Party.
And that is why I think Vivek Ramaswamy...
For our earlier conversation, is being mobbed by the reporters and ascending in the polls.
People love hearing stuff like that.
It is empowering.
I know that's a corny, overused word, but it is empowering to hear that, especially from a young person who has demonstrated it himself.
He did not return any insults.
Is that correct?
I'm not sure about that.
I think that's correct.
You know, last time Vivek was criticized for being too brazen.
He called his fellow competitors, or his, I should say, not fellow, his competitors, super PAC puppets.
He said that they were bought and paid for, so it was good to see.
But that was the last debate.
I think he purposefully changed course this debate.
When you insult your allies, all you do is help your enemies.
And I think degrade yourself, to be honest.
So, one final question.
Was Donald Trump, was his presence felt the whole time, or is that not the case?
At least from my perspective.
I mean, as I mentioned, Governor Christie made that terrible joke about Donald Trump.
I can't believe it.
Well, look, I'm so not a Christie fan.
I know.
Anyway, go on.
No, I concur.
Governor DeSantis said that Donald Trump should be here.
But besides that, I don't recall an instance where his name was mentioned.
And I think that was a good thing.
And no, I mean, no one really even talked about it.
In the audience, in the spin room, I didn't hear anyone mention the name Trump.
Well, but DeSantis, and I don't remember who else, in my reading of it, as opposed to watching, because I was at Arizona State last night, there were comments of, he should be here.
Right.
Yes.
So when I asked you...
Was his presence hovering over the evening?
I mean it not just among the debaters, but among the spectators.
This is purely a feeling question.
Or was the focus, forgive me, was the focus only or essentially only on the debaters?
What was that?
Yes?
Yes.
There was no mention or feeling about Donald Trump, at least among the people I was around.
Right.
You happy you went?
I'm losing you.
Oh.
Okay.
You're unlost.
I'm thrilled that I went, but seeing Governor Newsom was terrifying in the flesh.
All right.
We'll talk about that on Dennis and Julie.
Yes.
Okay, thanks a million.
This was a very helpful report.
Thanks.
Okay, thank you.
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Hello everybody, Dennis Prager here.
I talked about the Republican debate last night and other matters, and now we go back a few centuries with Bill O'Reilly.
I want to say, and I'm not paid to say this, I have no reason to say it other than it's true, this is one of the best ways to learn history I know of, the killing series by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard.
They're really extraordinary.
And I'll tell you why they're extraordinary.
I'm not telling Bill.
I suspect he knows.
But I'm telling you.
And obviously history was my major and I love this stuff.
Because if you don't know history, you don't know anything.
I mean that quite literally.
I'm not talking about botany or chemistry, but about life.
And one reason is there's no superfluous information.
About 25, 30 years ago, people writing history books decided that everything they know about the subject should be in the book.
And so Chester Arthur had bacon that lunch.
And it might be interesting once, but 800 pages of that stuff means that the author doesn't know what is truly significant.
It's just...
So these two guys, O'Reilly and Dugard, know what's significant, and they put it in.
It's extremely well-researched, and it's extremely interesting, and interesting is the key to all communication.
So how is that, Bill O'Reilly?
I think that'll be, you know, I felt like it was in PragerU.
I felt like, you know, the principal was giving me props.
You know, that's a good thing.
That's right.
Okay, fair enough.
That's a very sweet compliment from you.
Anyway, before we get into the latest, which is Killing the Witches, the horror of Salem, Massachusetts, and I'm going to be curious to know if there's any connection to events of the day and why you chose this one.
It just came out two days ago, my friend.
It's up at DennisPrager.com.
You can obviously go to any place you order books and get it.
It's called Killing the Witches.
About the horror of Salem, Massachusetts.
So, did you watch the debate?
No.
I got a transcript of it.
Me too.
The reason I didn't watch it was because at the same time, Tucker Carlson was interviewing me.
Right.
It's very funny.
And my reason was I was speaking to hundreds of students at Arizona State University.
We both had decent reasons.
We both had good reasons, exactly right.
But still, do you have any takeaway?
Sure.
Yeah, go ahead.
It was a very important debate because it solidifies the fact that none of those people, the seven people on the stage, are going to beat Donald Trump in the Republican primary.
So they don't have any chance unless Trump...
Something more happens that he's disqualified from running.
So Trump has got it.
Trump locked it down last night.
And the reason is it's not really fair to the seven challengers because where are they going to go?
Yeah, you can make fun of Trump, but he's not there.
Yeah, you can say you're better than Trump, but Trump, in Republican circles, ran a pretty good White House for four years.
All the polls show that if it weren't for Trump's dubious personality, he would have been president for another term already.
And with the chaos in the Democratic precincts, he may be re-elected.
And again, COVID. If it weren't for the panic over COVID and all the suspending of normal election rules, I think he would have been president as well.
It seems like events just conspired to deprive him of the presidency.
Of course, I was anti-never-Trumpers, but I'm also anti-only-Trumpers.
So this is not coming from someone who believes only Trump can win or only Trump should run.
So we have a very similar take.
Is there any connection between your book coming out now and events of today?
Oh, the reason I wrote Killing the Witches is because of the cancel culture today.
100%.
So this is the 13th Killing book.
And if you read them all, then you know about your country.
But what I didn't write about was the actual origins.
So we opened with a Mayflower.
Okay?
And the harrowing 66-day voyage, 100 people on there, they got booted out of England by the king because they were religious fanatics.
And you don't want to be, Dennis, on the Mayflower.
So we all hear pilgrims, Thanksgiving passes stuffing.
No.
This was a horrendous trip.
And then when they get to Massachusetts, they're at each other's throats.
Half of them die.
So we go through that, which led to this unbelievable religious fervor, fanaticism, zealotry, that took root and led to the executions of 20 human beings and the incarceration of more than 200 in Salem, Massachusetts.
And when you see what actually happened there, the hysteria, the lack of due process, these people once accused, you were guilty.
Unless you confessed, you had a way out of being killed if you said, yeah, I'm a witch.
Yeah.
Okay?
And a lot of them did that.
And what happened to you then if you said you were a witch?
Banished.
Banished.
You were pretty much marginalized.
The preachers would come in and say, okay, we're going to pray for her soul or her soul, whatever it may be.
But you were over.
And when you were accused of being a witch, the...
Authorities seize your property.
So there was an economic component about all this witchcraft.
Fast forward to today, because the last third of killing the witches is about modern times.
And there's two aspects to it.
The cancel culture, driven by the corrupt corporate media and the insane internet people, deprive Americans of due process.
An accusation...
Means a conviction.
You're through.
The most vivid example we have in the book is this young teacher in Northern Virginia, okay, 25 years old, is accused by a student of impropriety.
They fire her.
She's arrested.
Her whole life is ruined.
And two weeks later, the charges are dropped because there's no evidence.
Now, she sued and got $5 million.
The jury took a half hour to give her $5 million.
But her whole life to this day.
It's destroyed.
And I got example after example after example.
So we have a cancel culture that is depriving Americans of due process and putting us all in fear.
The reason that cable and network news on television has declined so much in audience is because the people on television are afraid, Dennis.
They're afraid.
Wait, afraid of what?
Afraid of what?
Getting canceled.
You know, every day of my life, I've been doing news commentary now for 27 years.
Every day, including today, I've been attacked by somebody somewhere.
And it's very hard to live that way.
Well, I'm very happy I asked you the question.
I'll tell you another interesting parallel that I see in our time about something that we regarded like the witch trials which take place now.
The clitoridectomies, the removal of girls' clitorises in parts of the Muslim world.
Millions and millions of girls.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes about this, about it happening to her.
This brilliant, extraordinary woman in Somalia.
And now we're doing our form of mutilation of children with teenagers having their breasts taken off, boys being castrated if they just say the words, I am the other sex or the other gender.
It's like the witch trials don't end.
It's like mutilation of girls and boys doesn't end.
It just takes another form.
The problem is that if you speak out against this, you will be attacked.
You will be slimed and smeared.
Salem, Massachusetts in 1692, there were good people who said, this is insane.
You can't be hanging, you know, our neighbors based on the nine-year-old's testimony.
That makes no sense.
As soon as you stood up against that, they accused you of being a witch.
You were in jail.
And if you go against the progressive cancel culture, they're coming for you.
They're going to get rid of you.
So it's the parallel, and that is why I, this is, as I said, 13th Killing Book.
I said, I'm going to write this book in a way that's so vivid, so shocking, that everybody will finally know the danger that we face.
Let me tell everybody, The Killing the Witches is the book, The Horror of Salem, Massachusetts.
Bill O'Reilly Martin Dugard at Dennis Prager.com.
I was talking to Bill O'Reilly about the Salem witch trials and how we laugh at the people of that time believing in witches.
We have, Tell me, I'm very curious, which is the more insane, crazed, weird lie that there are witches or that men give birth?
If you say men give birth, you have no right to condemn people for believing in witches.
They believed in a popular lie in their time, and there are many Americans who believe in the popular lie of our time, including many medical groups.
American Association of Pediatric Medicine, or whatever their official name is.
You say you're the other sex and you are.
One of the professors at Arizona State University who condemned the university for having Charlie Kirk and myself speak there earlier this year, we just spoke again last night, goes by they.
This is a really impressive individual who wrote a book.
I can't say the word on radio, on non-private radio, but it's how to F a kraken with the actual word.
And the word is spelled out on the Arizona State University website describing the professor.
Don't laugh at the witch trials if you take the current witch trial people seriously.
I've said this all of my life.
You know if a person is morally trustworthy in their judgment by their ability to discern evil in their time.
It is effortless and takes no courage to identify evils of the past.
The entire test of a person's moral compass is the ability to discern evils of the present.
That the left did not think communism was evil, still many don't, tells you all you need to know about the moral compass of the left.
Not even including the mutilation of boys and girls who say they are not boys or girls.
The trick is to identify today's evils.
Identifying yesterday's evils is not exactly courageous.
Because you pay a price if you identify today's evils.
That's the failure of the liberal.
The liberal shares almost no values with the leftist.
But they don't have the courage to confront the left.
So, Bill O'Reilly, I was making the case for the wrongness of condemning people then believing in witches when people today believe that men give birth.
I'm not sure which is the more absurd belief.
Look, what happens is that...
When people are afraid, Dennis, then they are more susceptible to insane occurrences or accepting things they should not accept.
Because it's like the go-along, the get-along.
I don't want to say anything about the boy who wants to be a girl who's in a swimming competition with the other girls, because then somebody might call me a homophobe or a name, and I don't want that.
And I'm trying to mobilize people, and I think you are too, to stop.
You've got to stand up.
Rutz, that's exactly right.
So that's why there is a contemporary timeliness to your book of Bill O'Reilly, which is the latest The Killing series on Killing Witches, The Horror of Salem, Massachusetts.
How many were actually killed, and how long did these trials take place?
Twenty human beings were killed.
Were they all women?
No.
A couple of guys.
So, forgive me, a man could be a witch?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So now they call them warlocks, but back then they were all witches.
See, in order to be a witch, you had to be in the league with the devil.
You had to be possessed by the devil.
The devil was forcing you to hurt these little girls, to hurt whatever.
That's what the definition of witchcraft was.
In Europe, they used witchcraft in wars to kill the other religions.
So the Protestants are fighting the Catholics, and they both were burning people at the stake.
They didn't burn people in the New World because England considered witchcraft to be a civil crime against the crown, not a religious crime.
And that was the difference.
So here, you didn't get burned.
A lot of people think these witches were burned at Salem.
They were hung, 20 of them.
But hundreds were imprisoned, and some of the people died in the jails because they were horrible back then, of course you can imagine.
So this situation got out of control so quickly, and the trials would take anywhere from a week to 10 days, and you had a rope around your neck.
So they were hanged.
Yeah, why do people believe they were burned?
Because thousands were burned in Europe.
So we opened the book and they preamble to the book in Scotland, where this wealthy woman, widow, was burned at the stake because King James of England, who controlled Scotland, wanted her land.
So somebody came in, accused her of being a witch.
A week later, she's at the stake.
Everybody in Edinburgh is throwing little boughs on the fire, and she goes up.
But in England itself, things ban.
All right, can you stay on with me, or you've got to go?
No, I'm here.
Okay, Killing the Witches, the Horror of Salem, Massachusetts, the latest in the Killing series, a terrific way to learn history.
Back in a moment.
Speaking with Bill O'Reilly, one of the most effective ways of learning history, his 13th book in his Killing series.
I have read a few of them.
I intend to read all of them, believe it or not.
This young woman that I do a podcast with, Julie Hartman, read your Killing.
Was it The SS? Is that the name of the book?
Yeah.
I think she read it in one evening, and she said not only did she learn an immense amount, but it stayed with her.
She had such an acute sense of what these Nazis were like after reading your book.
I mean, people really live what you write about.
It's really an achievement.
So the witch was a person who was Regarded as having some collusion with the devil.
That's helpful for people to understand.
Right.
Now, yeah, go ahead.
We brought it into modern times.
And by the way, I specialize, and I don't know why, about vividly portraying evil.
I know why.
Yes, that's right.
Well said.
I will tell her that you said that.
I think I know why you do.
I think, like me, and not only us, obviously, you hate evil, and so do I. We're all flawed characters, but evil is evil.
Flaws are flaws.
Evil is evil.
That's right.
So I believe this says a lot about you, that you care to depict evil.
So I salute you for it.
Well, I was put on this planet for a reason.
I'm a believer, as you are.
And I think the reason I was put here was to fight and expose evil.
And if you read my books, you know, Killing the SS, Killing the Mob, and now Killing the Witches, that we are very good.
At defining and writing in a way that, as you said, Julie doesn't forget it, stays with her.
Now, what I did in Killing the Witches, in addition to correlating the executions in Salem with the counterculture today, the cancel culture, are all driven by the left, by the way.
You don't see conservative traditional people entering into the cancel culture.
It's all coming from one group.
I also got into demonic possession today, and we examined the real exorcist based on the film.
And it wasn't a girl, it was a boy, a 13-year-old boy in Maryland named Ronald Hunkler.
And we told you his real story.
It took three months, eight Jesuit priests, harrowing.
We got the diaries of the priests.
And if you're a non-believer and you read this, you might rethink it.
And then we went to the movie set, which everybody has seen or heard of the movie The Exorcist, directed by a guy who didn't have any belief in any god or devil, and eight people associated with the movie during the filming died, in addition to unbelievable stuff happening on the sets.
And the actors and actresses and directors were, like, stunned every day that this was happening.
So all of that is chronicled in Killing the Witches, and I want the reader to draw his or her own conclusions, but I want them to recognize that evil does exist in the world, Dennis, as you know.
Yes, in fact, I wrote a column, I write a weekly column, I have literally 1,000 up on the internet, and my...
One of my most recent columns was about the fact that young people don't know about evil.
That, you know, 45% of young people, we're talking about under 35, not 15, never heard of Auschwitz.
And I would suspect 80% never heard of the Gulag.
And if you don't know those two things, you don't know anything.
Teachers in public schools are absolutely petrified of any moral lessons.
That's what this is all about.
So when you and I were in grammar school, I went to Catholic school.
I mean, it was all about good and evil in Catholic school.
If you eat meat on Friday, you're going to fry.
And I'm wondering what happened to those poor people when you eat meat on Friday.
You can eat meat on Friday.
I'm making a joke out of it, but...
The lessons the nuns imported when I was seven, eight years old was good and evil.
That's what it was every day.
Now you go to public school and there's an ambivalence about it, and most teachers are frightened to even bring it up.
Oh, America's evil.
Because they're going to get terrible.
They believe in good and evil, but it's backwards.
You know, no, I agree with you entirely.
Not real good and evil.
I'm talking about personal.
Yeah, I'm talking about personal.
And personal.
All right, back in a moment.
Hold on.
Killing the Witches, the latest in this remarkable series by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard.
Bill O'Reilly, latest book.
It just came out two days ago in the killing series, Killing the Witches, the tragic relevance for today.
So I'm going to take the audacity, or chutzpah, as Jews might say, although chutzpah is now international, and suggest to you in a future killing series something to the effect, Killing Class Enemies.
I have no title for you, but...
In light of the ignorance of the communist genocides of the 20th century, you could do Cambodia alone, you could do China alone, you could do the Soviet Union, you could do Ukraine, but you have such a large audience, it would be a moral service to humanity for you to do something about the communist mass murders of the 20th century.
It's an excellent topic for a book, and we could uncover a lot of things that led to it, because that's the point of what you and I, and we're in this culture war together, Prager, whether you like it or not.
You're an ally with me, I'm an ally with you.
I'm fine with it, believe me.
It's all about awareness.
If you're going to look the other way, as the Chinese did, the Chinese people did, after World War II, Chiang Kai-shek was a corrupt, awful human being, okay?
But the communists were worse, and the Chinese people threw in with Mao Zedong, and 20 million of them wound up face down in the gutter because of it.
But you could have seen it coming, where Chiang Kai-shek, all he wanted to do was steal from the people.
Mao wanted to control every move you make, and if you didn't do what Mao wanted, you were dead.
And a lot of that, not to his extent, happened in these countries because the people just wouldn't accept the reality.
And in America today, we are not accepting the reality of what the progressive movement is trying to impose upon us, and even worse.
The free press, the corporate media, is helping the progressives.
And that is so dangerous to this nation.
And that's why Trump is going to get the nomination, because Trump doesn't articulate it the way you and I do.
He doesn't do that.
But he comes across as an avenger against the progressive movement.
And that's why...
His appeal is so much more than the other Democratic Republican contenders.
That's right.
People believe he's a fighter.
Right.
That he'll right the wrong.
I mean, when parents send their kids to an American school today, they are literally, I mean literally, gambling with the life of their child.
That child may well come home at the age of nine and say, if she's a girl, I am a boy.
And by the way, in California, where I live, and some other states, the school has no obligation to tell the parents that their daughter says she is a boy.
Right.
And the school district in Riverside or close by passed...
An ordinance that says you have to tell the parents, and the state of California is suing, I think it's a Chino school district, suing the school district.
That's right.
But the people of California voted in these loons in Sacramento.
Well, the people of Philadelphia voted in their mayor.
Yeah, and Krasner, the guy who's destroying the city.
That's right, and Krasner, that's right.
Right, right.
It's almost like we're Paul Revere's here.
And when you write an entertaining book like Killing the Witches, where people will read the book, they're not looking for a political screed, they're looking for an interesting history.
That message of evil, that message of acceptance of evil, which certainly the Puritans did, and Benjamin Franklin was one of the few who rebelled against it, and that's in the book as well.
When you accept evil, when you look away from it, it will grow.
There's another parallel to the times in which we live today.
And if you don't agree, of course, tell me.
But in order to be accused of being a witch, since there's obviously no such thing as evidence that you're a witch, it's like you can't say there's evidence that I'm an oak tree.
There is no evidence.
All it took was an accusation.
That's all it takes today is an accusation, and your life is ruined.
That's right, because the corporate media and the Internet, the social media, have no standards.
None.
Did you see what happened to me last week on CNN? Tell me.
Okay.
So, right after Rupert Murdoch resigned as the chairman of Fox News, CNN primetime did a montage that's a series of soundbites for people who appeared on Fox News.
I was one of them.
They used eight seconds of me.
In those eight seconds, I said, slaves were well fed and housed.
That was the eight-second soundbite.
CNN used it to try to portray me as a racist, somebody who thought slavery was good.
That's right.
The body of the conversation...
Was Michelle Obama's speech in 2016, where she said slaves built the White House.
And my commentary was, she's right.
They did.
And here was the circumstance.
Here's how they were dealt with when they were building the White House.
That's right.
Okay?
So they had...
I'm telling you the parallels.
All over the internet, it says Dennis Prager wants to use the N-word.
A caller called my show and asked me how come I was citing McCullough's book on Truman, where Truman would use the word kike, which is the N-word of Jews, and the actual N-word.
And I said, how come I could say kike and not the N-word?
And I said, calling a black person the N-word is despicable, but that we can never say it, as I am now describing that Truman used the word kike, is absurd.
All over the internet, Dennis Prager wants to use the N-word.
It's exactly what happened to you with CNN. And that's evil.
That's right.
That's exactly right.
It's lower-level evil.
It's not putting a rope around somebody's neck.
That's right, yes.
But there are varying degrees.
We have one more segment, Bill O'Reilly.
His book is Killing the Witches, The Parallels.
Are frighteningly accurate, but just as a history book alone, all his killing books are so worth it.
Killing the Witches, Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard.
I'm Dennis Prager.
or we return.
Final segment of Bill O'Reilly.
Music His latest...
The 13th book in his killing series is Killing the Witches, the Salem Witch Trials.
And that's Bill rustling papers in the background.
That's me.
A lot of stuff.
Yes, I can only imagine.
Yep.
The parallels are frightening.
And incidentally, my wife, who listens to every show and is my backup for all, Pertinent data.
IM'd me just last segment.
She was actually relieved to learn from you that the witches in Salem were not burned.
It is a relief because that's such a horrific death.
Yes.
And it doesn't excuse anything, obviously.
No, obviously.
But there are gradations of evil.
Here is a really interesting part of this.
At the end of Killing the Witches, we bring you to Salem, Massachusetts today.
It's about 25 miles north of Boston.
The entire town is based on tourism for the witches.
You drive in, it says, Welcome to Salem, Witch City.
Now, it's got a pedestrian mall.
It's got people, storefronts who say they're witches.
It's got whatever it is.
In the month of October, leaving after Halloween, they get millions of dollars poured in from tourists who go to Salem.
We wanted to know from the mayor and the town council, hey, you feel a little uneasy because you're making millions of dollars off the corpses of people who are buried 600 yards away?
They wouldn't talk to us.
Interesting.
Yeah.
They don't want any part of that.
And it's not their fault.
I mean, I'd probably do the same thing.
Salem before they figured out the witch business was a dying town.
It was a mill town and it was no more mill.
But now it's a vibrant town because this kind of occult, you know, is attracted to many people.
We have one minute left.
I just want to say another parallel.
To today is all you needed to do, I was about to say this when I said there's no such thing as a witch, but it didn't matter, is to be accused.
Remember the Catholic boy that the national press accused of abusing the veteran?
And it turned out everything about it was a lie.
It was a lie.
But the kid's life was ruined at that time.
Do you remember the McMartin story?
Oh, please.
With the elephants in the classroom.
How do you like that?
Sneak an elephant into a classroom.
Anyway, you're doing great work, Bill.
Keep it up, and please consider the communism.
There's a lot of killing.
That was an excellent idea.
Thank you, my friend.
A lot of killing.
And I just want to tell your audience that I admire you, Dennis, and I have for many years.
Thank you for having me on.
It means a lot to me.
Thank you.
We continue.
Hello, everybody.
Dennis Prager here.
Last night, I spoke at Arizona State University with Charlie Kirk, 37 professors at the Barrett Honors College, whose name is disgraced by these professors.
But I talked a lot about that at the time.
Wrote publicly and told their students not to go.
It was wrong for the university to even have us speak.
As I mentioned last night, one of the biggest reasons is they fear correctly that 90 minutes from a Dennis Prager or a Charlie Kirk or a Jordan Peterson or a Ben Shapiro or a Heather McDonald or a Michael Knowles Or Dave Rubin.
Or Larry Elder.
I mean, it's such a long list.
Just people off the top of my head.
Will undo the superficial, intellectually superficial world in which the left lives on campuses.
We don't fear them speaking.
They fear us speaking.
So, I didn't get to watch the debate as a result, but I read much of it, saw some excerpts.
There was one truly great line, Vivek Ravaswami.
This is a line worth remembering.
And let's see here.
Let me find it again.
I just had it.
Why did I lose it?
I understand that hardship is not a choice, but victimhood is a choice.
That's really a great line.
It's worth remembering.
And the left teaches everybody except white, heterosexual males to be a victim.
History.
To be a victim is the highest status.
There's no doubt that part of the phenomenon of this vast increase, especially in young women saying that they are boys, girls who say they're boys, almost never occurred in history, it is now a phenomenon.
Is they want to leave the status or they want to gain the status of a victim.
They're no longer just a white girl and therefore an oppressor.
But now they're transgender.
And boys become homecoming queens.
At these various high schools.
To be a kid today in the United States of America, in most cases, is a real challenge, unlike any in the past, including the Depression.
Do you know, I read to you last week, the data that during the Depression, suicides decreased, depression decreased.
We don't have a Depression or a World War II. And suicides and depression are massively increasing?
The left has destroyed everything that gives a young person true joy.
Patriotism.
God.
Religion.
The Bible.
wholesome youth groups LGBT the new religion LGBT. Some of the other comments of the evening that I'd like to bring to your attention.
All right, let's see here.
Ron DeSantis.
Well, the crime in these cities is one of the strongest signs of the decaying of America.
That is correct.
That is right.
We can't be successful as a country if people aren't safe, even safe to live in places like Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Just being in Southern California, where I am, over the last couple of days, my wife and I met three people who have been mugged on the street, and that would never have happened 10 or 20 years ago.
In Florida, we back the blue.
We support the men and women of law enforcement.
They are keeping us safe.
We have a 50-year low in the crime rate.
And yes, when I had two progressive prosecutors that weren't following the law in Florida, I removed them from their posts, and the people of Florida are safer as a result of it.
That's correct.
Let's see.
What other good quotes do we have here?
Thank you.
By the way, the attacks on it and insults were a real, a terrible statement about the attacker and insulter.
I have a real affection for Nikki Haley, and I thought that her comments about being dumber whenever, getting dumber whenever Vivek Rawaswami speaks had no impact.
On Rawaswamy or support for Rawaswamy.
But it definitely had an impact on support for her.
Don't know when this began.
Maybe it started with Donald Trump, by the way.
But, you know, Donald Trump's insults were of a...
Which I didn't appreciate at all.
I still don't.
And I thought he was a great president.
G-R-E. A.T., great president.
The country was thriving compared to under democratic rule.
But I didn't like that.
But he got away with it in part because they were witty and devastating and short.
And that's his personality.
But it's not her personality.
And it wasn't witty.
And it wasn't accurate.
Vivek Rawaswamy does not make you dumber when he speaks.
Nobody believes that.
When Donald Trump insulted Jeb Bush, I forgot the insult, but it was effective because a lot of people thought it was true.
Here's Rawaswamy.
The real divide is not between the Republicans on this stage.
And in the Reagan Library, I want to say there are good people on the stage.
These are good people on the stage.
See, that's what they should all be saying.
Compared to the Democrats, well, it's tough with Chris Christie.
It's hard to call him a good person.
Nevertheless.
The point that Raul Swarmy was making was good.
The real divide is between the majority of us in this country who love the United States of America and share our founding ideals.
Free speech, meritocracy, the idea you get ahead in this country not on the color of your skin but on the content of your character, and the fringe minority in the Democrat Party that has a chokehold over that party.
That's the real divide.
Unfortunately, they have a chokehold over the media, a chokehold over the educational system as well.
Here's another line of DeSantis.
The people in Washington are shutting down the American dream with their reckless behavior.
They borrowed, they printed, they spent, and now you're paying more for everything.
They are the reason for that.
They have shut down our national sovereignty by allowing our border to be wide open.
So please spare me the crocodile tears for these people.
They need to change what's going on.
And where's Joe Biden?
He's completely missing in action from leadership.
And you know who else is missing?
Well, then he spoke about Donald Trump is missing in action.
He should be on this stage tonight.
He owes it to you to defend his record.
And so on.
But that is the real divide, as he points out.
The governor of North Dakota, Burgum, actually had some interesting points.
The reason why people are striking in Detroit is because Joe Biden's interference with capital markets and with free markets.
The subsidies, we're subsidizing the automakers, and we're subsidizing the cars on a particular kind of car, not every car.
We're particularly, we're subsidizing electric vehicles.
And when you decide that we're going to take all of your taxpayer monies, take a billion dollars, subsidize a certain type of vehicle, and the batteries come from China, China controls 85% of the rare earth minerals.
They're called rare earth because they're measured in parts per million.
I'll continue.
China controls 85% of the rare earth minerals.
This is Governor of North Dakota, Burgum, last night.
They're called rare earth because they're measured in parts per million.
China's moving 100,000 pounds of Earth in Indonesia, in Africa.
They're literally destroying the planet so that we can make a battery that's in a car subsidized here.
That's why they're striking, because they need two-thirds less workers to build an electric car.
Joe Biden, this strike is at Joe Biden's feet.
That's right.
There's so much wrong with regard to the electric car, I don't know where to begin, but I've talked about it often.
Governor Burgum made this case correct last night.
Rawaswamy, if I were giving advice to those workers, I would say go picket in front of the White House in Washington.
That's really where the protest needs to be.
Disastrous economic policies that have driven up prices, that have driven up interest rates and mortgage rates, at the same time wages remaining stagnant.
What we need is to deliver economic growth in this country, unlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear energy, put people back to work by no longer paying them more money to stay at home, stabilize the U.S. dollar itself.
And capitalism is still the best system known to man to lift us up from poverty, and we should not apologize for it.
When Pope Francis has repeatedly come out against capitalism because he's a leftist from Argentina, you realize it's so difficult to know what institution can you look for for moral leadership.
And the answer is essentially no institution.
You can look to individuals, and you wonder, has it ever been different?
Has it ever been different?
The other day I was thinking, I'm attacked periodically by Christians and Jews, it's not a lament, it's just an interesting point, for using the term Judeo-Christian.
Because, of course, there were differences between Judaism and Christianity.
I'm not even talking about theology.
That's obvious.
If they didn't have differences, they'd be one religion.
But in terms of values, of course, there's Judeo-Christian values.
But if you don't think that that's possible, then you can't even say then Jewish values.
Because Jews differ with other Jews.
You can't say Christian values, because Christians differ with other Christians.
Is it a Christian value to say that capitalism is awful?
Is that a Catholic value?
The Vicar of Christ on Earth, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, says that capitalism is awful.
So is that a Catholic value?
There's no group where everybody agrees, even on some major stuff, with one another.
Individuals agree with one another.
The world is divided between the decent and the indecent.
It is not divided between institutions.
It's divided among people.
The decent and the indecent, as Viktor Frankl put it in his great book, Man's Search for Meaning.
And that's the way it is, my friends.
And...
Chicago, Illinois.
John, the phone number here is 1-8 Prager 776. Haven't taken...
Did I take any calls today?
I didn't.
Wow.
But do we still pay our screener?
So are the screeners paid on the basis of numbers of calls taken?
Or is it a flat rate?
Suzette wishes it was per caller?
Hmm.
Oh.
All right.
We have a GoFundMe page for our screeners, by the way.
We do.
Let's see.
Chicago, Illinois.
John, hello.
Yeah, hi, Dennis.
How you doing?
I'm fine.
My country isn't.
Yeah, that's for sure.
Well, I'm a first-time caller.
And about my 20th time I got through, so I'm really happy.
That's not bad.
Not bad at all.
So, yeah, so I'm watching the second debate, and of course the first as well, and I'm thinking, well, why isn't Larry Elder in the second debate?
I was wondering why he wasn't in the first, and I heard him on your show explaining it.
I'm figuring he's going to be there.
That's right.
It's disgusting.
It's a disgrace.
It's a disgrace.
He would revolutionize the event.
Yes, he would.
Every time he would talk, people would say, that's either, yep, that's my Larry, or who the hell is that guy?
And their jaws would be dropped.
That's right.
That is correct.
But the RNC doesn't want him up there, and I don't know why.
Maybe he's an outsider.
He's not a politician.
I mean, neither is Raw or Sami, but he has his own following and independent means.
It's really sad.
It is really sad.
That was my whole dream, was to get Larry's ideas out there, which he uniquely can articulate.
Okay, let's see.
Hillsboro, Oregon.
Diana, hello.
Oh, hi.
I've been a long-time listener.
I just wanted to say I really appreciate your views and your show.
Thank you.
I have one of your books.
I can't remember which one.
It's one of the ones about the Bible.
Nice.
Anyway, I just wanted to say we haven't had...
A Republican governor since Victor Attia.
When was that, in 1873?
No, that was Julius Meyer.
Well, no, we had Julius Meyer back in the 30s, and he had to run as independent because the Dems and the Republicans didn't want to do on their tickets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God, a Republican governor of Oregon.
Back in a moment.
Well, you know, the U.S. Senate has now unanimously voted to retain a dress code for its members.
So, of course, the Atlantic, which has a lot of leftists writing for it, has this woman write an article.
Caitlin Flanagan.
That's her name.
Staff writer for The Atlantic.
She's thrilled.
As a young person, she's thrilled with getting rid of the dress code, which has just been reinstated.
The elimination of the dress code could be one small step toward making Congress more relevant to young people.
It will make the institution seem less formal.
Less impenetrable.
That's what they said.
That's exactly.
This is such a Marxist brain at work here.
Remember the Mao suits?
Remember how they got rid of Western garb, the suit and tie?
Because that was bourgeois.
So let's become more relevant.
Let's look like the people and let's all dress similarly.
With the Mao suit.
This is the thinking.
The suit and tie is a remnant of capitalism, of Judeo-Christian Western civilization, of everything the left loathes.
Remember, the left builds nothing and destroys everything.
Tell me something good the left has built.
I'm not talking about liberals.
I'm talking about the left.
I'll give you some time here.
Zach, I think you should play Haydn's cello concerto while people think.
Because a beautiful background can help the mind.
Really, it's an interesting question, isn't it?
What has the left built other than gulags?
Name me a good thing the left has built.
That's not a Haydncella concerto. .
You're trying to trick me, right?
I know my music.
Anyway, we'll continue with this article here in The Atlantic.
Salute to getting rid of...
The dress code.
Because having people wear hoodies and shorts, like this nihilist from Fetterman from Pennsylvania, changing the dress code, however, is only a half measure because there was no way of getting around the problem of the Capitol itself.
The left fights really important things.
This is an example.
There was so much garbage in the Atlantic that it is amazing to me that they print this stuff.
Who thinks this is admirable?
Oh, the Capitol itself is a problem.
With its Latin...
Listen.
With its Latin inscriptions.
I told you they hate the West.
When I say the left wants to destroy the West, I mean it literally.
It is not an attack.
It is a fact.
Latin inscriptions.
Marble staircases.
Graven images of slave-holding presidents.
I see.
So the fact that they had slaves, which the whole world did at that time, virtually the whole world, but they made the society that abolished slavery, that ultimately elected...
The only white society to ever elect a black president.
I don't know of any black society that elected a white president.
I don't expect them to.
There are very few whites in Africa, outside of South Africa.
But isn't the issue with public figures what they built?
Why don't they say marble statues?
Of graven images of adulterous presidents.
Right?
If you're going to talk about the private sins of an individual, well, I guess slaveholding is a public sin.
And it is a sin.
It's a horrible thing.
But you judge people of the past by the past, not by the present.
Which means that this writer for The Atlantic does not believe that there should be any statues of George Washington in the United States Capitol.
That's The Atlantic for you.
Dennis Prager here.
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