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The Saad Truth
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Hi, everybody!
Hi, everybody.
Dennis Prager here.
Welcome to the Dennis Prager Show.
I don't usually begin with a guest, but he's very special, and he's in from very far away.
Well, everything is relative.
He's in from Quebec, correct?
Montreal, Quebec.
From Montreal.
Et c'est pour ça que nous parlerons en français.
Seulement en français.
Seulement.
He is God's side.
He has a very famous podcast of his own.
He is a well-known thinker.
He is a man who marches to the beat of his own drummer, which is why I'm so happy to have him in studio.
Have we ever met in person?
No.
Only Ramali.
Well, it just shows, I hate to say this because in person, there's no comparison to being with a human being live.
But I do feel like I know you because I've been on your program, you've been on mine.
It is interesting.
Amazing.
When people say to me, I met you, and I say, really?
Yeah, yeah, I called your show.
But there's some truth to it.
Right.
And there's no question.
Anyway, Gadsad, G-A-D is his first name.
S-A-A-D is his family name or last name, Gadsad.
You'll explain your name, but I think people should understand the background.
He has a book on my favorite subject, happiness.
And I want to make something clear.
A lot of people write books on happiness, and I'm happy they do because I want people to be happier.
But I don't have most of them on.
It shows you what I think of God's sod that I am.
The sod truth or sad truth about happiness.
It really is analogous to the title of my book, Happiness is a Serious Problem.
That's right.
So we both have this understanding.
Life is a challenge.
There you go.
The Saad truth, S-A-A-D, truth about happiness, eight secrets for leading the good life.
So what is your name?
So Gad is a Hebrew name.
One of the 12 tribes of Israel is Gad.
And a lot of people from the Middle East think that it's an Egyptianized version of Jad because the J sound becomes G in Egyptian Arabic.
It isn't Gad.
I know that.
Gumhuriyah and Jumhuriyah.
Exactly.
So it's God is a Hebrew name.
Sa'd with the guttural ayin.
Actually in Arabic means, interestingly for someone who's writing a book about happiness, it means happy and felicity.
Your name means happy?
Yeah.
Happy and felicity and, you know, prosper.
Cheerful, if you will.
Exactly.
And so I was predestined to write this book, Dennis.
Yes.
It would be very sad if Sa'd had written the sad book.
There you go.
So, you know, If you were to assess, and I know it's a guess, but it's an intelligent guess on your part.
Right now in North America, because I assume you follow America avidly, because you have to, unfortunately, where the civil war for Western civilization is taking place.
This is ground zero.
Canada is troubled as well.
Would you say that the average American today is happier, the same happiness level, or less happier than 50 years ago?
So, for men, the results are reasonably good, either the same or a bit on the uptake.
For women, and I discuss this in the book, it's gone precipitously down.
And I argue, I mean, speculatively, but I think it's a pretty good argument, that radical feminism is...
Partly to blame for that because it has told women, look, you can do exactly all that men do.
You should do all that men do.
And not surprisingly, it turns out that men and women are not the same on all attributes.
Having meaningless one-night stands is not necessarily the pathway to happiness for women.
And so for, I think, largely that reason, but a few others.
Women have seen a drop in there.
And I'm talking now in the United States.
So men, happiness scores are okay.
Women have gone down over the last 30, 40 years.
So there's no doubt in my mind that you're right about women.
So with regard to men, I am told, and I'll ask my producer Alan to correct me.
He may know the precise number.
I think there are 7 or 8 million.
Males in the United States who are perfectly healthy and are not working.
But if the stereotype is accurate, they're somewhere playing video games and watching porn and having drugs.
That's a big number.
Yeah.
And by the way, I published a paper many years ago in a medical journal on the relationship between suicide and economic conditions.
And not surprisingly, around the world, predictors of suicide is much more likely when men are unemployed.
So while I understand you're asking about happiness, not suicide, it's not a pathway to being happy if you're unemployed, lazy, living in the basement, playing video games.
And why are they doing that?
I mean, it's hard to predict why.
Some of them have given up.
Some of them are lazy.
I think that there's no personal agency.
So, for example, one of the reasons why Jordan Peterson's message is so attractive to many men is because he says, get off the couch, right?
Which, you know, philosophers have only been saying for thousands of years.
It's nothing new.
But for some people, the idea that I don't have personal agency is ingrained within them.
And that's a real shame.
What does personal agency mean?
I can control what happens in my life.
So if you talk about a psychometric skill, that's the internal versus...
I did well on the exam because I studied and I'm smart.
Whereas external locus of control would be I did poorly on the exam because the professor is unfair.
He's a bastard.
And so most people tend to attribute successes internally and failures externally.
The only ones, by the way, who don't do that are clinically depressed people.
That's a big one.
The book is The Saad, S-A-D Truth, about happiness.
I have a chapter in my book on happiness, and I'm only mentioning this, and I want to sell your book right now.
I want you to understand that.
But I have a chapter on victimhood, which is what you're speaking about.
Your term is agency.
So if you think you're a victim of life, you don't have agency.
Exactly.
And I talk about this, by the way, Dennis, in my previous book, In the Parasitic Mind, where I talk about the difference between an ethos of victimology versus a meritocratic ethos, right?
I come from Lebanon.
We're Lebanese Jews.
We escaped the brutality of the Lebanese Civil War.
So if anybody has a true victimology story, it would be...
My family and I. And yet I don't wallow in that victimology.
It's part of my background.
It's a regrettable part of my background.
But I defined my success in life and the fact that I've overcome those childhood difficulties rather than wallowing in it endlessly.
So when people are wallowing over things that happened 300 years ago to people that have nothing to do with them, that's probably not a good pathway to leading a good life.
I think you'll love this.
One of the calls I remember, obviously I can't remember most, tens of thousands of calls in 40 years, but one I remember, a Jewish woman from Brooklyn, New York called me, or Philadelphia, one of the two, I don't remember, as the Northeast, and she said, Dennis, I just want you to know I have two parents.
One is a Holocaust survivor, suffered horrifically, lost, murdered members of the family, and the other one is American-born, grew up in a middle-class home, and the unhappy parent is the one born in America, and the happy parent is the one who went through the Holocaust.
How do you explain that?
Seneca, the famous Stoic, has a wonderful quote which I use as an epigraph of one of my chapters.
Where he says that strong trees that have deep roots are precisely those that have been exposed to wind stressors.
The trees that have not been exposed to any wind stressors become very brittle.
And so the fact that I've gone through the Lebanese Civil War actually allows me to contextualize anything that I might be whining about on a day-to-day basis, right?
Because I know what I came out of, and therefore I'm existentially happy.
It's a miracle that I'm here talking to Dennis.
And so paradoxically, going through some of the harrowing things like the Holocaust or like I went through the Lebanese Civil War doesn't cause me to be sad.
It makes me actually incredibly happy.
So I'm going to ask you a question I have posed, and I don't know what your answer will be.
But I have posed this, and when people hear the question, they think it's a bit weird.
And I have asked, how advantageous is it to adult happiness to have had a happy childhood?
Well, I mean, you don't want to have been tortured and raped and so on.
But the old expression, that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger, squeaky doors don't break, all of these adages and maxims exist precisely because they've stood the test of time.
So if you've had a perfectly...
You know, chocolate syrupy life, maybe that hasn't prepared you for some of the downstream challenges you'll face in your life.
So I can't speak to a specific study, but my intuition, certainly my personal experience, is that I've taken a lot of benefit from the horrors that I went through.
What you have is antibodies.
Exactly right.
And by the way, there is...
Hold on, hold on.
I want to push the book.
Sure.
The Sad Truth to Happiness, S-A-A-D, up at DennisPrager.com.
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My guest has written a book on happiness.
And whenever I've been with him on his podcast, what's the name of your podcast?
The Sad Truth.
S-A-A-D. The Sad Truth.
Whenever I've been on yours or you've been on mine, I've realized how much we have in common.
I mean, it's pretty clear from very different backgrounds, one might add, but it doesn't matter.
I've come to realize that there is no predicting.
Humans are humans.
Indeed.
Sad truth about happiness.
Eight secrets for leading the good life.
Let me talk to you for a moment about Canada.
Given what I know of your views...
As he chuckles.
I chuckle.
It is the chuckle of misery and co-misery.
And you're in Montreal.
Look, Canada has gone woke and Montreal is...
It's tough to predict because there's a bit of the Quebec nationalist identity that kind of serves as an inoculation against some of the woke ideas.
But on many other dimensions, Quebec probably leads the woke train.
If a vote were taken in your province, should...
Would biological men be allowed to compete in women's sports?
How would the vote go?
I mean, I can't give the exact number.
I would think that most people would say no, that it's not a good idea.
But certainly within the university ecosystems, it might be a bit higher.
And certainly I work at a rather woke university.
Are you isolated at your university?
Yeah, in the sense that they never celebrate my accolades.
So we've come to an entente where they basically leave me alone, but they'll never uplift me.
So I could win the Nobel Prize tomorrow and no one at my university will ever announce it.
Do you have friends there?
I do.
I mean, I have probably one very close colleague who's in the psychology department.
I'm very cordial with everybody else.
I don't have any direct, clear enemies, at least, that have identified themselves as such.
But I live a very kind of fractured life.
I do my job as a professor, then I go home to the solace of my loving family.
Wow.
So I want people to understand it's not like this man who has written a book on happiness has either grown up in an epicenter of happiness or located in one now.
That's right, and yet I'm internally happy now.
Part of that comes from the fact that about 50% of our differences in happiness scores come from our genes.
Some of us are born with sunny dispositions.
Others are born with more sullen dispositions.
Isn't that depressing?
No, because that still leaves 50% up for grabs.
That's very good.
You've helped me with that.
Well, I'm glad.
Thank you, sir.
No, no.
My listeners know I don't say these things to make a guest feel good.
That's a very good way of looking at it.
I looked at it as the glass half empty.
Precisely.
So if 50% is your genes, My dear listener, that means 50% is you.
Exactly.
Very interesting.
So the types of choices you make...
Does anybody have a 50% happy gene and end up unhappy?
Of course, because they make poor choices, because they have a bad mindset.
So it's not fully determinative.
Exactly right.
Almost nothing that involves human phenomena is fully determinative.
Is it true that victims of, let's say...
Drunk drivers who are paralyzed and end up in a wheelchair, that over a certain period of time...
These people tend to end up as happy as they were before their tragedy.
I'll tell you exactly a story that speaks to that.
I discussed it in the last chapter.
So probably my most incredible guest on my show, which is saying a lot because I've had many great guests, including yourself, is a gentleman named David McCallum who spent 29 years in prison for a murder that he was eventually exonerated from.
OMG. And now I'm sitting with him, chatting with him, and he's so gracious.
He's so...
Lacking 29 years.
So I looked at him and I said, David, how is it?
You're basically the reincarnation of Buddha.
How is it that you're so calm and put together?
And he answered to your question, well, I have a sister who's been bedridden with cerebral palsy for much of her life, and yet she still finds a way to be happy.
So really, my situation wasn't that bad.
So someone who's had nearly 30 years stolen of his life can still find a way to be lacking in vindictiveness and vengefulness.
It's incredible.
That's a powerful guest to have had on.
Well, that's why I always tell people, I mean, we're really kindred spirits, you and I, because this has been a major theme in my life, the happiness theme.
A lot of unhappy people...
Think when they meet a happy person or a person who is acting happy that that person had it easier than they did.
Right.
Big mistake.
Indeed.
Look at Viktor Frankl with some of his uplifting messages.
I mean, what can you go through in terms of more hardships than going through the concentration camps?
Or to go back to our earlier point.
Yeah, you know, going through the Lebanese Civil War.
My parents were kidnapped by Fatah on one of their return trips to Lebanon and were tortured.
And yet they're still around.
My father is 93. My mother is 89. Where are they living?
They're living in Montreal.
I mean, I can't say that they are...
From a minute to minute, effusively happy.
But I think existentially, they're filled with gratitude, and they've gone through some real horrors, as we all did in my family.
So, you know, it really is a mindset.
It's the type of mindsets that you adopt that either move you up that continuum or down.
How old were you when the Lebanese war started?
I was 10. So, I'm curious, did you ever think you might die?
Every second of every day.
So I want people to understand, a man who wrote a book on happiness, at 10 he thought he would die every day.
Indeed.
As a matter of fact, I would go out to play outside because the need to play is so important.
My parents would tell me, don't cross a particular imaginary line because that would put you within the eyesight of the snipers who will blow your brain.
That's how you normalize your life.
Go out and play, just don't pass this line.
That was my life.
American parents are telling their kids not to go on diving boards.
The book is The Saad Truth About Happiness.
S-A-A-D. Eight Secrets for Leading the Good Life.
God Saad.
The book up at DennisPrager.com.
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Today.
God Saad, G-A-D, first name, S-A-A-D, last name, professor of marketing at Concordia University in Montreal.
His new book is The Saad Truth About Happiness, Eight Secrets for Leading the Good Life.
By the way, he is the presenter of this week's Prager University video.
What is it?
The story of The Lost Ring?
What is it exactly?
It is riveting.
And it is a true story.
Your kids would love it.
You as an adult would love it.
We're very proud that you've done a couple of videos with us.
Thank you for having me.
Well, it's an interesting issue of the thank you.
This will crack you up, but this is how I think.
We didn't do you a favor by having you bring your video.
So while it's, of course, normal and sweet to say thank you, it wasn't like we did you a favor.
Look, thank you is a beautiful thing, obviously.
I'm just analyzing the fact.
I want people to understand, when we choose people to do videos...
They're grateful, but we do it because it's good for people.
It's good for others.
Whether it's good for the presenter is a bonus.
Yeah, well, but that's the ideal, right?
If it's good for everybody.
So you say eight secrets.
So it's a riveting word, secrets, because people think, wow, I'm going to unlock something.
But as you point out in all of your work, They knew this 3,000 years ago.
So what happened?
Did people not read what was written?
I think it's because notwithstanding that we know some of the prescriptions to how to lead a good life, we fall prey to all sorts of behavioral traps that move us away from those otherwise obvious prescriptions, right?
And so probably the number one topic, as you pointed to, that has been most written about by philosophers is...
How to live a good life.
And that's why my book is really a combination of personal stories, personal anecdotes, ancient wisdoms.
Here comes Epictetus.
Here comes Seneca.
Here comes Aristotle.
And then backed up by contemporary science.
Put that all together and hopefully you have a riveting read.
You do have a riveting read.
So here's another interesting question.
I wonder if you've reflected on this.
I suspect you have, but I don't know.
So people often will say to me, Oh, thank you.
You've really changed my life.
You've touched my life.
And this has nothing to do with humility.
I say to them, you must understand, you get half the credit.
So what I mean by that is, they heard an idea and they said, oh, oh, well, I'm going to embrace that in my life.
So you write this book.
Say 100 people are forced to read it.
Okay?
Or bribed.
We'll give you $1,000 if you read this book.
Okay.
How many of them will be changed?
How many not?
There's no answer to that.
I know that.
But some will and some won't.
Sure.
What makes that determination?
If they actually stay disciplined in implementing those prescriptions.
So let's take, for example, my recent weight loss journey.
I was much, much heavier.
I had been very thin as a young soccer player.
Then over the years, I put on a lot of weight.
And then I decided one day during COVID that I was going to nip this in the bud.
What was the secret to it?
Well, it's really not much of a secret.
It takes just incredible, assiduous discipline.
Every single day, I would...
Walk or exercise 15 to 20,000 steps a day, and I would eat 15 to 1700 calories a day, every day.
So every minute of every day, there's a bifurcation.
I can do the right decision or I can make the wrong decision.
Make the right decision enough days in a row, and suddenly you get on the scale and you're 86 pounds lighter.
So what determines whether someone will get benefit from this book or not is whether they...
Internalize some of the messages and say, yeah, I can do this.
I can implement this.
Those who will, will be happier.
Those who won't, will probably be less happy.
That's right.
That's why my answer is right.
They get half the credit if they're touched by something.
So my theory, so I'd love to get your reaction, is the mother of happiness is gratitude.
Yes.
You agree?
I do.
I do.
Well, I know you earlier were sort of quipping about saying thank you.
You know, I'm grateful every second of every day for the opportunities that people give me to share my ideas.
I'm steeped in gratitude.
I'm grateful to the cosmos for having gotten me out of the Middle East.
Hopefully I will be grateful when I get out of Quebec.
No disrespect to the beautiful Quebec.
I want to be basking in the Southern California sun.
I'm always living a life of gratitude.
Yeah, I have a good story for you when we come back.
I assume it's self-recommending listening to him speak, but if not, I truly do recommend it.
The Saad Truth About Happiness by God Saad up at DennisPrager.com My guest is a solid man, a good man, a thinker.
The Sad Truth About Happiness.
It happens to be this week his latest PragerU video is up.
An incredible story that we won't review.
People should just watch it.
That teaches a tremendous amount of lessons.
And by the way, gives real insight into who you are.
We were talking about gratitude.
So you'll get a big kick out of this from my own life.
Very often people say to me, Dennis.
You travel so much.
Aren't you tired of traveling?
And I either say, no, not at all, or I say, let me ask you a question.
I am invited to different places in America, in the world, to give a speech.
Why would I get tired of that?
Exactly.
I thought the exact same thing when I was looking at my schedule, all the media appearances, for a second.
I thought, oh my God, this is so much stuff.
And then I thought, stop whining.
People are inviting you.
Remember how lucky you are, yes?
People are inviting you to hear you speak, and you're whining because you have to travel.
So I hear you.
I knew you would.
That's why I wanted to share it with you.
We should all be so cursed.
Oh my God, I have to go to Denmark to give a speech.
Poor thing.
Exactly.
People lose perspective.
So I've got a challenge for you.
I knew I would ask you the following.
So you're not religious, correct?
I'm not religious.
I'm very much steeped in my Jewish identity without necessarily being very much of a practicing Jew.
Right.
Which, by the way, Christians find very difficult to understand.
How can you not have some fundamental religious beliefs and yet say you are...
A Jew.
But Jews are a people and a religion, and Christians are a religion.
So I just want to make that clear.
I've talked about this on a number of occasions.
But even putting that aside, although it's a factor in your life, I understand.
Well, I'll be more specific then, since you mentioned that.
So would you go to synagogue on Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year?
Historically, I have.
Recently, I've been less good at going.
Let me put it in Christian terms.
It's like the Christian, well, I'm not that practicing, but I go on Easter and Christmas.
So you're not even now a Rosh Hashanah Jew.
Well, so let me tell you a story that might...
Make you feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.
So when I was a doctoral student at Cornell, I met a Chabad rabbi who used to invite us for all the Jewish students to dinner, Shabbat dinner.
And when I finished my PhD, he approached me very gingerly, very politely, and said, Would you do me a favor, God?
I said, Sure, sure, Rabbi.
What is it?
He said, Would you put on tefillin for me every day?
I knew it.
I mean, I didn't want to interrupt you.
I was as certain of that as I am that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
Well, guess what, Dennis?
By the way, let me explain that to people.
Tfilin are the leather straps with a little parchment of the Torah in a box.
For the arm and for the head.
It comes from Deuteronomy.
It's a specific law.
Like Jews have a mezuzah, a little parchment holder on their doorposts.
This is like a doorpost for the arm and the head.
Go ahead.
Exactly.
And so you usually do it.
I mean, you do it in the morning.
Right.
You know, it's an elaborate ritual.
So wait, he really got you, though.
I did it for the next 11 years.
You did?
Yeah.
And then about 2005, 2004, 2005, I was on a Club Med vacation with my wife, and it happened that Yom Kippur, my birthday, coincided at the same time.
You pay a lot of money for the all-inclusive food at Club Med.
This is where I got off the tefillin train and, regrettably, the Yom Kippur fasting train.
Oh, God.
You've got to write that up.
Are we still friends?
No.
Please.
You've got to write a piece.
How Club Med made me an atheist.
Right, yeah.
It destroyed my feeling.
I am proud of you.
Thank you, sir.
11 years.
See, this is a case where I look at the glass half full.
There you go.
That is impressive.
Did you ever have contact with that rabbi?
I have, very rarely, but on one or two occasions since when he's come through Montreal, we've connected, but not nearly as much as I would like to.
By the way, folks, one lesson to be learned from this that has nothing to do with religion.
If somebody says, would you do me a favor?
What you have to say is, first tell me the favor.
Do not say yes in advance.
I'm not kidding.
You really get, you can get in trouble.
Oh, of course.
What did you have in mind?
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know, just ask.
Well, I'll really tell you after you talk.
But honestly, it was very non-dogmatic, non-intrusive the way he did it.
Maybe that's the skill.
Oh, listen.
I'm the emcee of the Chabad Telethon.
I've been for 25 years.
I love these people.
I just spoke for them in Copenhagen.
You don't have to sell that to me.
I want to pursue the religious factor.
Sure.
Would you say in your studies religious people tend to be happier?
Right.
So the research shows that there is a moderate positive correlation between religiosity and happiness.
Now that, by the way, could be explained by very earthly mechanisms, right?
Religious people have greater communality, greater cohesion with the in-group, greater likelihood to engage in reciprocal arrangements with the in-group members.
So there are very earthly reasons.
Notwithstanding any supernatural reasons, that might make someone who is religious happier and more content than someone who is less religious.
That said, I do argue in the book that even if you're not religious, you can look for awe-inspiring spiritual experiences.
Having this conversation is a spiritual experience.
Loving my Belgian shepherds is a spiritual experience.
So let me ask you, the Belgian shepherds?
That's right.
How do they differ from German shepherds?
They're much more intense.
They're the ferraris of dogs.
Wait a minute.
More intense than German shepherds?
Oh.
Oh, then they need psychiatric help.
The IDF? They should be on lithium.
The Israeli Defense Forces uses Belgian shepherds.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah.
You don't want to mess with Belgian shepherds.
I can't believe there's a dog more intense than a German shepherd.
In light of what you just said, I am curious.
Do you wish that you had more faith?
I don't care what your answer is.
I so respect you.
It doesn't matter.
I do in the sense that by having faith, it allows you to go through some of the difficult vagaries of life more easily, right?
Well, I'll tell you.
Well, yes and no.
Probably yes.
But I was thinking more of if you really believe in God.
The odds are you believe in an afterlife, so death isn't the end as it is to a secular person.
I think that's a big deal.
I want you to comment on that because you're a thinker.
This is a terrific book.
He's a terrific man.
the Sod Truth About Happiness up at DennisPrager.com Hi everybody.
I'm Dennis Prager.
Good to be with you.
I am watching, I'm not watching, I am looking at a protest in New Hampshire where the Board of Education has, or the state has, said that the school teachers there can use PragerU videos.
They haven't said that yet.
No?
So what are they protesting?
They're having a meeting.
They're having a meeting to determine, oh, okay, I get it, thank you.
So Florida has said, Teachers are allowed to use PragerU videos as supplements to education.
We have vast numbers of videos out.
They're about as wholesome as you can get, especially the ones for children, and that bothers the left.
Wholesome is, in their eyes, evil.
It doesn't crap on America.
It doesn't make kids frightened about global warming.
It builds gratitude and hope.
And the left loathes both.
You should teach kids that their future is likely mass death.
I spoke about this yesterday.
How this is what they are taught.
This is what your kids are taught.
You know my riddle?
I have a riddle.
I've made up a few riddles.
Here's one of them.
What do you call a religious person who says the world is coming to an end?
A fanatic.
What do you call a secular person who says the world is coming to an end?
An environmentalist.
That's it.
That's the only difference.
Environmentalism is a secular religion.
It's a sick one.
Truly sick.
Produces anti-scientific thought, just as the worship of...
The CDC, NIH, and so-called...
What is the word that they use?
Scientific consensus.
Yes, you get that?
The left doesn't believe in science.
They believe in scientists that they agree with.
That's it.
Let's be honest.
When scientists differ with the left, they're engaged in misinformation.
What is the latest one you just told me about, ivermectin?
Yeah.
Can I see that?
It's on IM? I put it on IM. You did?
Let's see.
Yeah, wow.
This is about as amazing a piece of news.
Doctors can prescribe ivermectin for COVID-19, FDA. Oh, my God.
There were doctors who were threatened with loss of license to practice medicine if they prescribed.
There were drugstores that would not give you ivermectin.
By the way, I took ivermectin for about half a year during COVID. Just want you to know.
It's one of the safest, according to the World Health Organization, one of the safest medicines on Earth.
I can't believe this.
The FDA has actually said this.
Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said this week.
Wait, so if this is accurate, it's from the Epoch Times, which is accurate.
So it's called a conservative source.
I want just to be completely engaged in full disclosure.
But the question is not whether it's conservative or not.
It's whether it's truthful or not.
Accurate or not.
FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID. Ashley Chung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA. She represents the FDA. Said during August 8th oral arguments in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
The New York Times said it was a horse dewormer the whole time.
PragerU has been attacked, I have been attacked, relentlessly for saying that ivermectin was safe and perhaps even effective in reducing the severity of your COVID. It's all coming out now.
Everything that people like me said during the COVID crisis.
There shouldn't be lockdowns.
Children should be in school.
Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine with zinc are safe and probably often effective.
I was right on every aspect of it.
Remember what I said about restaurants?
I can't sit in a restaurant, but I can take my mask off on an airplane and eat.
I'm a few inches from the person next to me.
That's okay.
And in a sealed container?
But I can't eat in a restaurant?
You're going to close down restaurants?
A dear friend of mine had a gourmet pizza place here in L.A. He went out of business.
He now lives on the East Coast.
They shut him down.
For no reason.
For no good reason.
Well, there was reason.
Because the hysteria is the oxygen of the left and because they have an erotic attraction to control over human beings.
The government is defending the FDA's repeated exhortations to people to not take ivermectin for COVID-19, including a post that said stop it.
The case was brought by three doctors who allege the FDA unlawfully interfered with their practice of medicine with the statements.
A federal judge dismissed the case in 2022. It's now on appeal.
The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward.
This is Jared Kelson representing the doctors, said to the appeals court.
The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward.
After the FDA approves the human drug for sale, does it then have the authority to interfere with how that drug is used within the doctor-patient relationship?
The answer is no.
The FDA, listen to this, this is really sick.
The FDA on August 21st, 2021. That was the height of the hysteria.
Wrote on Twitter, you are not a horse.
You are not a cow.
Seriously, y'all, stop it.
The post linked to an FDA page.
That said people should not use ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19.
That's really something.
They have a video with Robert Kennedy Jr., ivermectin, the real story.
Well, anyway, that's the latest news.
I'm not surprised.
And yet people will continue to listen to the FDA, the CDC, the NIH. What was the nickname that they gave to, what's the great Rochester, Minnesota Medical Hospital?
Mayo.
Mayo, yeah.
And they gave it a nickname.
I've got to remember that.
I report so many stories.
I knew the Mayo Clinic had started to lose credibility when I checked its paid on are cigars safer than cigarettes?
And they said they're as dangerous as cigarettes.
That's a lie.
I think the Mayo Clinic...
It's an interesting question.
Can they sue me for saying they lied?
But they wouldn't, because they know they lied.
The question is, can I sue them for lying?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm certainly not intending to, because it takes a lot of time and money to engage in a lawsuit.
But it was a lie.
So if you lie for social reasons, or non-medical reasons, and you're a medical association or institution, When will you not lie?
Yeah, I should write a piece titled, First They Came for Cigars.
We return in a moment.
I'm Dennis Prager.
So, that Ivermectin News, Mr. Estrin, the question is, Will it be reported in the mainstream media?
Very good question.
That's exactly right.
Here's a piece from the Wall Street Journal that I wanted to bring to your attention.
Divorce parties are a new hot invite.
It sort of ended up as a really fun funeral.
With society widely accepting of broken marriages, many newly uncoupled people feel emboldened to throw themselves bashes.
After Brandy Stellers finalized her divorce, she invited close friends to a soiree in May.
She mixed signature cocktails, hung a By Felicia, B-Y-E, banner, and handed out fake rose petals to toss in the air.
What does that mean, By Felicia?
Oh.
Boy, he's trying to get rid of something from a movie called Friday.
Alright.
Party decorations included a photo of a pair of penguins torn down the middle.
I ripped the penguins in half because penguins are monogamous birds who are supposed to mate for life, she says.
Well, I'm not your penguin anymore.
The newly uncoupled are throwing themselves blowout bashes to mark their liberation from unhappy marriages, almost like reverse bachelorette parties.
This woman, Brandy, was it Brandy?
Was that her name?
Yeah, Brandy Stellers, who works at a cloud computing company in Columbus, Ohio, said, I wanted to celebrate not a divorce, but a new chapter with people whom I love who want the best for me.
Huh.
It's really something.
Nicole Sodoma, a divorce lawyer, who wrote the book Please Don't Say You're Sorry about the topic.
That's quite a title, isn't it?
Divorce used to be something to be ashamed of due to societal pressures and stereotypes.
But today people have really decided to nip that societal shame and instead embrace being divorced as another stage of life.
That some of us experience.
On Etsy and Amazon, brands sell Splitsville swag, including end-of-an-error sashes, thank-you-next rose-gold foil balloons, and I do, I did, I'm done.
T-shirts.
On Pinterest, The online platform for sharing creative ideas.
Search trends show that people are gaining a new perspective of divorce.
Pinterest searches for divorce party games surged 80%.
And searches for divorce cakes rose 50%.
Huh.
Okay, so I've been divorced.
It had to happen.
In my belief.
But the thought of throwing a party?
Divorce may be necessary, but it's a tragedy.
You know what I think this is about?
This is about the inability of so many people to face reality.
Hello?
Divorce is a tragedy.
It may well be necessary, and I believe that it is sometimes necessary.
And not only in cases where somebody's beating somebody else up.
It just may be necessary.
I don't believe that God wants divorce to be a punishment, which is what a bad marriage is.
I know many of you differ with that.
That's fine.
That's fine.
It's interesting to me that...
sometimes people can't just say okay we differ on that but we agree on almost everything what about what do i say about that Yes.
Life imprisonment should only be for murderers.
Having said that, the thought of having a divorce party, of celebrating it, it's a tragedy.
You're denying it's tragic.
You didn't marry with the intention of not staying together for life.
You married with the intention, whether it was in your marital vow or not.
In my religion, it's not in the marital vow.
But that's the intention.
Nobody marries thinking, well, you know, this is a 15-year hitch.
I'm signing up for 15 years.
You marry, you think you're signing up for life, and that's how you should think.
What I believe these divorce parties are about is the inability to face tragedy.
Oh, it's not tragic.
It's great.
Okay.
No, it may be necessary, but it is a tragedy.
Let's have a divorce party?
I'll tell you what I really, really hope.
That it never happens if you have children.
Imagine that.
Hey kids, come to mommy's divorce party.
We're going to all celebrate that I'm no longer married to your dad.
I do wonder if they have divorce parties with children.
Have any of you ever attended a divorce party or thrown one?
I'm very curious.
Do you have to bring a gift?
The Triple G asks.
You think too much about money.
It's something you have to work on.
He would go, but if you have to bring a gift, he's not going.
1-8 Prager 776. Back in a moment.
All right.
Do I have CJ Pearson?
The CJ Pearson online?
Hey, Dennis.
How's it going?
Actually, excellent, CJ. CJ Pearson is, of course, a PragerU personality.
He's host of the PragerU Weekly News Wrap.
CJ is one of our...
Great young talents that we have.
And, hey, CJ, I am curious because whenever I see you, you're in a somewhat cheerful mood.
Would you say you're a happy guy?
I'm a pretty happy guy, Dennis.
I like to think so.
Were you always?
You know, some days are easier than the others, but, you know, as you often say, I think that we have an obligation to be happy, if not for ourselves, but for those around us.
You know, I try to govern myself accordingly, day to day.
You made my day, I'm not kidding.
That that idea has affected you really means a lot to me.
Yeah, well, I'm glad to hear that.
How do you enjoy working at PragerU?
Well, it's incredible.
I think, you know, having the opportunity to be a part of such an incredible organization like PragerU and work every single day, not just to preach to the choir, but to do everything that we can.
To grow the congregation and to change the hearts and minds of America's young people who have been, unfortunately, led astray by so many of our cultural institutions is probably one of the most profound and impactful things I've ever been a part of.
And I think to come to the office every single day to fight back against, you know, the radical left and the belly of the beast here in Los Angeles, it's an opportunity that has been incredibly fruitful.
I couldn't be more excited about the work that we're doing and continuing to do every day.
Are you following the protests in Florida and around the country, around the world?
The Guardian just printed an anti-PragerU piece.
Because Florida is allowing, just allowing, they're not mandating, they're not instructing, they're just saying a teacher can show a PragerU video.
Are you following the controversy?
Yeah, I'm following them closely.
And, you know, what's interesting about this entire, you know, outrage mob that's come out of this, you know, New Prager U in Schools initiative is that somehow, some way, the left has now discovered the word indoctrination.
You would have never thought that they had an issue with it.
What a great point.
Yeah.
Wait, how do you spell that?
Yeah, yeah.
We don't do that.
Exactly that.
You know, and now you look at New Hampshire and the protests that are happening there today as New Hampshire decides, you know, is interested in partnering with us on financial literacy.
You have signs outside where they're saying...
Education, not indoctrination.
And it's like, wow, you guys all of a sudden are so infatuated with this issue of indoctrination, but still they're missing the mark because financial literacy is not indoctrination.
And the fact that they think that giving young people skills to be financially well-off and financially free is something that's bad or negative tells you a lot about their motivations in terms of keeping young people in shackles and preventing them from being free and independent people.
We should send you to New Hampshire.
We should.
No, I'm not kidding.
I think it would be fascinating for them to hear a young person who's with PragerU.
One of the charges is we minimize slavery and racism.
Where did they get minimize either?
Where did they get that from?
What do you think, CJ? Do you think they believe that we don't think slavery was that bad?
You know, I don't think they think at all.
It's probably the core of the issue here.
And I think also, too, it was rather interesting when I saw them describe us as a white supremacist organization when, I don't know about you, Dennis, but I'm pretty sure white supremacists probably view me and you pretty similarly.
The folks who are listening who can't tell, you know, I'm a young black conservative.
Those people are not the biggest fans of me either.
It's a good point.
I'm a Jew and you're a black and it's a white supremacist organization.
It's crazy.
Oh my God, what a good point.
We'll be back in a moment.
I just want you folks to know that August is fundraising month for PragerU.
And whatever you give will be doubled.
It's a matching grant.
at prageru.com just this week.
Hi, everybody.
Dennis Prager here. .
Welcome to the show.
If you don't laugh, You're going to cry.
That's the way I look at much of life.
The new president of the American Library Association.
Where is the story from?
Let's see.
August 7th, two days ago.
Daily Mail.
Remember, folks, everything the left touches, it destroys.
It is amazing.
That anybody would call themselves a Marxist.
Do you understand that anywhere that Marxism has been tried, massive suffering and murder and torture have followed?
Why isn't calling yourself a Marxist shameful, morally Shameful.
Because the left runs the media.
Emily Drabinski, president of the American Library Association, doubles down on tweet, admitting she's a Marxist lesbian.
Yeah, there you go.
A Marxist lesbian.
By the way, you can be a conservative lesbian.
It is possible.
But she's a Marxist lesbian.
That's how she identifies.
Leaving states such as Montana to cut ties with the group.
For years I've been telling you about the American Library Association, one of the most radical organizations.
Therefore, anti-everything that has been good about the West and America.
The Marxist lesbian president of the American Library Association is taking flack for her politics.
One month, on to the job.
Emily Drabinski, 48, said she will not hide her personal politics during her tenure and hopes to make marginalized communities feel represented in local libraries.
Marginalized communities.
I love that.
Marginalized.
Is there anybody other than a leftist who uses the term marginalized?
Maybe.
On many occasions, I have said that Sean was marginalized.
In fact, when I interviewed him for his job 206 years ago, I said to him, how would you describe yourself, Mr. McConnell?
At that time I called him Mr. McConnell.
And he said, Mr. Prager, I would say that I'd been marginalized.
Oh, you said you were marginalized because you liked butter?
All these years I had that wrong?
It is sad.
We just had Gadsad on.
I'm really going crazy here.
Marginalized.
Sad.
Whew.
Brain is in overwork.
Overdrive.
Well, I remember it as marginalized.
I think you're trying to rewrite history here with the margin.
With the margarine.
Because I even said, and how are you marginalized, Mr. McConnell?
And you said that...
As the possessor of a red beard, you felt marginalized.
I remember it like yesterday.
And so we had to hire a marginalized citizen, and you were it.
This comment by the head of the American Library Association, that she wants to make marginalized communities feel represented in local libraries.
How many Americans do you think, even once a year, say, you know, my community is marginalized at local libraries?
How many Americans do you believe say that?
It doesn't seem to be high on the list.
Of even chronic complainers.
Oh my God.
In April 22, she said, I just cannot believe that a Marxist lesbian who believes that collective power is possible to build and can be wielded for a better world is the president-elect of ALA. American Library Association.
Wow.
I can believe it.
It's funny.
She couldn't believe it.
I can.
That's exactly who the ALA would want.
You know how many of the drag queen story hours are taking place at libraries?
By the way, this is another example of the utterly disproportionate ill effect that women are having in many cases, just as men disproportionately rape and murder.
Women are disproportionately bringing toxic ideas into mainstream American life.
Unless you believe women can do no harm, then you have to be honest.
Your local librarian is unlikely to be a male.
Yeah, she just cannot believe that a Marxist lesbian who believes that collective power is possible to build, what does that mean even?
Collective power is possible to build.
Do you understand that?
I don't...
What does it mean?
That is what she will be doing?
So, she admits her raison d'etre, her reason for being, is to promote collective power.
What does that mean?
I am so excited for what we will do together.
Solidarity!
And then an exclamation point.
And my mom is so proud.
I love you, mom.
I wonder if a father has played a role in her life.
Republican lawmakers have zeroed in on the tweet as cause in part for their respective states to defund and abandon the ALA. See, this is what I mean.
Why is it funded to begin with?
Because it's public institutions?
Libraries?
Okay.
Which is the oldest and largest non-profit trade organization for libraries.
Can you imagine librarians of 100 years ago?
Why would that be?
1923. Librarians in 1920s, 30s, 40s, and 50s.
Do you realize how...
Stunned they would be if they came to the future.
I'll tell you this, I often think about this.
It often may be overstated.
I periodically think about it.
Everybody does.
If I could have a time machine, where would I go?
Well, I would definitely go to the past.
I do not want to see the future.
Especially with AI and especially with leftist takeovers of Western civilization.
It's scary.
That scares me, not global warming.
In July, Montana officially became the first state to sever ties completely with the ALA, an organization led by a Marxist, according to the state's Library Commission.
Republican lawmakers in Washington have also begun petitioning to halt federal funding of the ALA. They received funding through the Institute of Museum and Library Services, which was awarded at least $211 million for fiscal year 2023, so as to provide funds for the woke.
Conservative politicians in Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, and Wyoming have encouraged their state's libraries to withdraw from the nonprofit.
Ah, you know why that sentence is important?
What do you think I'm about to say?
Why do you think I think that's an important sentence?
Here's the answer.
Because it shows...
That Republicans have finally, after 50 years, begun to fight.
This is driving the left crazy.
They expected the opposition to be the usual docile.
You know how often I have said America is fighting a civil war, except only one side is fighting.
I have said that for a quarter of a century.
It's not true any longer.
Hallelujah.
So the head of the American Library Association has tweeted, or X'd, Is that the new term?
She has exed.
I have to say, I have great admiration.
For our new owner, but his decision to rename Twitter X is not one of Elon Musk's most wise choices.
Listen to what she said last year.
This is Emily Drabinsky.
So many of us find ourselves at the ends of our worlds.
The consequences of decades of unchecked climate change, class war, white supremacy, and imperialism have led us here.
That's it.
This is a true Marxist.
And let me tell you something.
Basically...
The whole climate change thing about controlling your life?
Well, as David Horowitz, who knows the left like he knows his own family, because his own family were communists, said to me about 30 years ago, environmentalism is a watermelon.
Green on the outside and red on the inside.
That's correct.
So that's what she's fighting, the head of the American Library Association.
Decades of unchecked climate change, class war, class war.
That's fascinating.
She's a Marxist and she's against class war.
White supremacy and imperialism.
One of the things that PragerU gets attacked for repeatedly, like in the Guardian article today, Is that we have a video which says that imperialism brought some good things to India.
British imperialism.
So remember, I literally mean truth is not a left-wing value.
They don't ask, is it true?
Did the English bring good things with their imperialism?
They just show it as an evil.
That PragerU would say something good about British imperialism in India.
The fact that they united all Indians with English.
The fact that they introduced courts.
The court system that India has.
The fact that they abolished sati.
The burning of widows when their husbands were cremated.
None of that matters.
Because they don't think morally on the left.
They don't divide between right and wrong.
They divide between black and white.
The British were white.
Between strong and weak, the British were strong.
But not between right and wrong.
To say that they don't have a nuanced view of history is like saying that...
Hmm, what is an analogy to a truism?
The earth is not flat.
Of course, they don't have a nuance to you.
If they did, they wouldn't be leftists.
Anyway, I just wanted you to know who the new head of the American Library Association is, so you have an idea of what we are working against.
You know J.K. Rowling?
Yes, right?
Everybody know J.K. Rowling?
Harry Potter?
Yes, well, let me tell you something.
They're not finished with smearing her because she has come out with the audacious idea that there are men and women.
Another institution brimming, this is from Spiked.
Another institution is trying to airbrush J.K. Rowling's name out of history.
Was she the best-selling and richest author of our time?
This time it's the turn of the Museum of Pop Culture, M-Pop, in Seattle, Washington, which has removed the world-famous author's name from its Harry Potter exhibition.
Isn't that something?
You should be scared of the left.
You really, really...
You should not be much more scared of the left than of global warming.
The likelihood that global warming will ruin your life compared to the left will ruin your life is zero to a hundred.
Isn't that amazing?
The censorship that they're proud of?
They have a Harry Potter exhibit at the MPOP, at the Museum of Popular Culture in Seattle.
And they don't have the author's name?
Last week, the museum announced that while it will continue to display memorabilia from the Harry Potter books and films, it wants no association with their supposedly problematic creator.
Explaining the decision in a 1400-word blog...
God, I have to read that.
The museum's exhibition's project manager, Chris Moore, brands Rowling, quote, a cold, heartless, joy-sucking entity.
I like that one.
I like that one.
Sean, who do you think I thought of immediately when I read cold, heartless, joy-sucking entity?
Who do you think I thought of?
I'm not sure I could tell you his response.
*cough* But he identified someone in our life.
But it is not accurate.
She's cold, heartless, and joy-sucking.
God, that is exactly how I view the left.
It's eerie.
Isn't it eerie?
They are cold, heartless, and joy-sucking.
J.K. Rowley is giving more joy to more people than Chris Moore will if he lives 100 more times in reincarnated form.
Oh, my God.
Well...
We continue on The Dennis Prager Show.
Many of you around America and around the world, and for that matter, around the universe, know that theme is Larry Elder's theme.
I think that it is a moral imperative.
That's a strong term, my friends, to get Larry Elder on the debate stage for the Republican nomination for president.
Larry Elder is one of the most eloquent voices in the country for conservative values generally, and he has no peer when it comes to any issue regarding race.
He's an extraordinary man.
I've known him now.
I don't want to tell you how long.
How long do I know you, Larry?
I think it's about 35 years, Dennis.
35 years.
Isn't that eerie?
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Larry Elder is...
He's a remarkable human being, folks.
I don't want to embarrass him, so I won't continue with the accolades.
I will just tell you, the country needs to have his voice.
I don't care who you want to be the Republican nominee.
This is very important, what I'm about to say.
We need his voice on the stage.
I don't care who you want.
Everybody can agree.
If you're for Trump, if you're for DeSantis, if you're for Vivek Rawaswamy, it doesn't matter.
And, of course, many of you are for Larry.
It doesn't matter.
We need his voice.
And to get it, I didn't know this, Larry told me.
All he needs, what is it, 40,000, Larry?
40,000 individual donors between now and August 21st, two days before the debate.
And you can give as little as $1 by going to larryelder.com.
I mean, folks, that's about as easy a way to do good, really good for this country as I can think of.
A dollar.
It doesn't matter.
You could give a dollar.
I could give more.
But a dollar is fine.
He simply needs 40,000 separate donors.
And it doesn't matter how many states.
Is that correct, Larry?
That's right.
I've got to have 200 from 20 different states.
Yeah, okay.
We'll meet that.
That would be meant.
Folks, I consider it an insult.
A personal insult.
If I don't raise that number just with this appeal, it boggles my mind.
Dennis, you'll resign from your position if you don't...
Yes, that is correct, folks.
That's right.
One dollar.
One lousy dollar.
Yeah, that's right.
And given the inflation, it's not really even a dollar enough, like 95 cents.
Oh, yeah.
I wish it were 95 cents.
Yeah.
It depends when you start.
Oh, Larry, it is such a given that you have to be on that stage.
I think it would blow minds, and I would have such personal joy, as of course you know.
But folks, it's really imperative.
So where do they go to give this?
They can go to my website, LarryElder.com.
And it's real easy.
We've got a $1 button there.
All you have to do is push it, and then we take care of it.
And, Dennis, you know, as you pointed out, it doesn't matter who you want.
Trump, obviously, is the frontrunner.
And, you know, the odds are if you were a betting person, he would get a nomination.
But I'm talking about some things that I want the frontrunner, if I'm not the nominee, to talk about.
And that is, as you know, the epidemic of fatherlessness, the lie that America remains systemically racist.
It's not just pushing nonsense like reparations and race-based preferences.
It's getting people killed because cops are pulling back for fear of being accused of engaging in systemic racism.
And there are thousands of people who are dead or have been victimized by violent crime who otherwise wouldn't have suffered if the police had been doing their normal practice policing.
And most of these are the very black and brown people that people on the left purport to care about.
And then we have this absolute meltdown of K-12 education in many of our major cities.
Just to pick one city, Baltimore, Dennis, 13 public high schools in Baltimore.
I kid you not.
0% of the kids can do math at grade level.
Meanwhile, the elites oppose school choice.
You have Barack Obama and Gavin Newsom and Joe Biden having their own kids in private school.
It's an outrage.
If I can put those issues front and center, and if I'm not the nominee, to make sure that the nominee does talk about these kinds of things.
I've done my job.
I would feel I've served a great purpose to my party, and more importantly, to my country.
That's right.
So let's make this clear.
LarryElder.com or Larry Elder for President?
What is it exactly?
It's just LarryElder.com.
It's much easier.
LarryElder.com.
Yep.
Okay, my friends.
You can make a real difference, and all it takes is a dollar.
Larry will continue to push this until August 23rd.
Dennis, thank you so much.
And I love the run-up.
You talked about dog food before I came on.
I'm at the Iowa State Fair, Dennis, and everything is fried on a stick.
Pork chop on a stick, bacon on a stick, butter on a stick.
There is no dog food on a stick, as far as I know.
Thank God.
But you're giving me an entrepreneurial idea.
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