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March 14, 2023 - Dennis Prager Show
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What’s My Line?
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Hello, my friends.
It's Labor Day, and I'm laboring.
Dennis Prager here.
And my tradition on Labor Day is to ask you about your labor, your work.
What do you do for a living?
And I have been just fascinated by your ways of making a living.
you.
We don't realize, none of us realize, because we all live in a small world.
It's impossible not to.
You know X number of people, you have X number of relatives, and that's pretty much it.
Now, we don't live in a small world intellectually or philosophically and the like, but we do in terms by definition.
How many people can we possibly know personally?
And so it comes as a fascinating surprise, and it's quintessentially American, the ways in which Americans make a buck.
So what I do on Labor Day is I invite you to call in and tell me what you do, and it could be absolutely prosaic.
It doesn't mean you...
You drill for oil in Tunisia.
It doesn't have to be exotic.
If you are in a profession or a line of work, which many others are in, that's fine.
I just love, first of all, I love to talk to people.
Which I would think would be a fairly common characteristic among talk show hosts.
But it isn't.
It isn't, interestingly.
Off the air, a lot of these guys are quite introverted and are not people people.
And this is not an attack at all.
Just a personality.
But I am a people person.
I'm a people person.
And I love to talk to people.
I talk to people, as you know, I've told you, in elevators, anywhere.
And so I love to ask people about their work.
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Yes.
Oh, really?
He prefers?
My producer prefers this to...
Oh, I see.
Well, they're both good.
I don't know if I have a preference.
Isn't there even a third?
There are several.
No, no, no.
I understand that.
I understand.
But there's no reason not to use them.
So, dear Francesca Morris, who has volunteered her time to work on this Labor Day along with the inimitable, the ineffable, the inexpressible, the induplicable Sean McConnell, whose name is spelled.
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That is the only piece of music I have ever composed.
I didn't orchestrate it, I didn't sing it, but I composed it.
So what do you do for a living?
It's Labor Day, and it's an appropriate question to ask, and I have a lot of fun.
So do you.
Are you listening?
And it is, among other things you will see, an ode to America.
Because unless crushed, the spirit of people, and this would be true anywhere, it's a values issue.
It's not a DNA issue.
There's no American DNA. And so, unless crushed, which is what happens in the vast majority of the countries of the world, people just will do whatever they do.
All right, so let's begin with Ambler, Pennsylvania, and Hugh.
Hello, Hugh.
Dennis Prager, welcome on Labor Day.
Hello, Dennis.
Happy Labor Day to you, and I'm very thrilled that I'm number one on the list today.
Thank you.
Well, that is something.
That is something.
But I work in a grocery store, okay, a supermarket, if you will.
I work for Whole Foods Markets.
And I work in a store in North Wales, Pennsylvania.
Right.
I'll say hello when I'm in Philly.
Oh, very good.
I know you come here often.
Yep.
And I'm a baker.
I work as a baker there.
I go in early in the morning.
What time?
I usually get there around 4.30 a.m.
Go on and wait.
So Whole Foods, which I've been to many times, but I didn't realize.
So the bakery bakes what?
Well, we do actual scratch baking in the bakery.
We take, you know, items.
We don't just open boxes and bake the stuff.
It's made from scratch.
And what's the stuff you bake?
Breads?
Well, we do bread, but mostly we do cakes and pastries and what you would find in a neighborhood retail bakery.
I thought, maybe I have it confused with another store chain, but doesn't Whole Foods tend...
Oh, right.
They do sell things with sugar.
They don't sell things with artificial sugars.
Exactly.
See, that's it.
Yes.
But the nice thing about me, I'm a fourth-generation baker.
Wow.
Okay?
I'm 59 years old, so I've been doing this since I was 10 years old with my father.
And what the nice thing is about working with Whole Foods is the ingredients I get to work with.
Like, we use only real butter.
We don't use any of the artificial short means or anything.
Let alone, God forbid, margarine.
God forbid.
I got two, two, two.
So that's one of the nice things about it.
But I know, like, little retail bakeries, they can't afford to use ingredients like that.
But at Whole Foods, we can, and we still do, and that's why people say, well, it costs...
All right, so now it's my turn to ask you some questions.
First, about the hours.
So if you report to Whole Foods at 4.30, what time do you get up?
Oh, I get up around 3 a.m.
And what time is your work day over?
I usually work until about 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
Okay.
So hold on.
Wait.
So you come home and you take a nap?
Take a little nap.
I usually, when I'm napping, I have you on the radio by being said.
That's very sweet.
So either I help you nap or I don't help you nap.
No, but I get to listen to you every day because I usually leave like around 1 o'clock.
Oh, that's really nice.
No, no, it is really nice.
So what time do you go to sleep?
Well, I try to get to bed by at least 9. It doesn't always work that way.
Especially with the Republican convention, I was really struggling.
And I thought, why do we get the big speeches like at 10.30 at night on the East Coast?
I was like amazed by that.
Well, they have to do that.
Both parties have to do that.
So let me ask you this.
Are you married?
Yes, I'm married.
I have two children.
So I assume your wife doesn't go to bed at 9. No, she doesn't.
So this is just the way it's worked out?
It's always worked out that way.
It's very good.
Like, in other words, when she comes to bed, she's very quiet.
She doesn't come in there and wake me up or anything.
But we do have our struggles with that.
Yeah, look, everybody has struggles with something, but you're employed.
Yes, I am.
And wait, on the love meter, loving what you do, 1 to 10 hate, 1, just love, 10, what is it?
Well, I'm working for Whole Foods.
I'm an 8. It's a really good company.
That's really nice.
What is your most proud production?
The most proud thing that I make?
Yes.
I tell you what, I really enjoy the pound cake and the angel food cake that we make.
So, you're speaking Whole Foods, but you specifically make those?
Yes, I do specifically make those.
I want you, if this is possible, to send me a pound cake and bill me.
Oh, I would love to do that.
Alright, so stay on and we'll give you the address.
Yeah, I was going to say, do I just send it to Radioland?
Yeah, no, no.
That's right.
Dennis Prager, Radioland, America.
Alright, I do have a final final.
Do you have kids?
Yes.
Any of them bakers?
No, they're not bakers.
So it ended in the fifth generation.
I would love to see that.
I think they would like to do it, but it's a really tough...
But I don't know.
The supermarkets are keeping it alive, but it's a tough way to make a living if you have your own bakery.
All right.
Stay on, and Francesco will give you an address.
Dennis, one more thing.
Go on.
I'm ears.
Okay.
I appreciate what you do.
You are one of the guys that have listened to talk radio for a long time.
Did you ever remember a man named Dominic Quinn?
Yes.
In Philadelphia, yes.
Well, he was the first one I ever started listening to, and you are definitely a number two behind Dominic Quinn.
I think you're awesome.
Well, that's very kind of you.
So maybe you won't bill me for the cake.
Just kidding.
I really am just kidding.
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You're listening to the Dennis Prager Show on Labor Day, and what I do is ask you what your labor is. - Hooray!
So, what do you do for a living?
And we go to...
Let's see.
I've got calls around the country.
I've got a San Antonio in the middle.
Sort of in the middle.
Hello, Steve in San Antonio.
Dennis Prager.
Good afternoon, Dennis.
This is Steve.
How are you?
Thank you.
Well...
Okay, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Yes, I'm a fitness trainer in San Antonio.
Fitness professional.
Does that mean you do private to clients?
Yes, I teach...
Personal training, I also do some group fitness classes.
Pardon me, I'm trying to turn the radio off.
Do some group fitness classes.
So wait, wait.
The group fitness classes are at a workout place?
Yes, I have my own facility.
Oh, you have your own facility.
Wow.
Yeah, it's called Firestorm Fit Camps.
All right.
Firestorm Fit Camps.
I'm also a franchise with an organization called Fitness Revolution.
Excellent.
And you are obviously...
Well, I like to think so.
Well, I'm sure your clients like to think so, too.
It's hard to imagine an out-of-shape trainer.
Right.
I'm in better shape than probably 90%, 95% of the people in my age.
Now, do you work out independently, or basically once you're finished with the day, you've really done enough workouts on your own?
I have a regular fitness training time.
I meet some gentlemen at another gym and we train together.
Every day?
About four days a week.
And how long does that take?
About 40 minutes.
And what do you do primarily?
We lift heavy stuff.
Yeah.
Now, is it fair to say, obviously I'm a layman in this regard, but I have a lot of interest in what you do.
Is it fair to say that there's a sort of divided outlook?
On those who are very pro-weightlifting and those who aren't?
Yes.
There's a great misconception, especially with female trainers or training clients, that if they lift heavy weights, they're going to get big and bulky, and that's a fallacy.
You either have to have the blessed genetics, you have to pick your parents right, or you have to take some sort of enhancement in order to get to that level.
Development.
But for the average individual, just lifting hard, short rest times, eating properly, that's the big key, will produce some tremendous results and give people a...
And what's your guideline for eating properly?
I like to say eat things like God made them.
If you can't pick it off a tree or pluck it out of the water, then don't eat it.
My favorite line is to tell people, if they find a 7-Up River or a tortilla tree, call me and we'll eat and drink our fill.
You mean there's no Diet Coke-like?
Well, I've been looking, but I haven't found it yet.
I hear you.
Well, it is a real joy.
Thank you.
All right, I'm keeping a list here because often it happens we actually never even duplicate one profession in the course of three hours.
So fitness trainer, and he's an entrepreneur.
He owns his own place.
That's impressive, sir.
Good luck to you.
All right.
Let's go to Jeremy in Irvine, California.
Hello, Jeremy.
Dennis Prager.
Hi, Dennis.
Hi.
I've been trying to get in for five years.
All right.
You know, that's not bad.
Not bad.
Pleasure to have you, Jeremy.
And what do you do, sir?
I sell laptop parts, mostly over the Internet.
Now...
Are you making a living out of it?
So far, it's been five years.
So who do you sell it to?
To people who do repairs or to the end user?
Yes.
No, no, no.
No or question can get a yes.
There's a rule here.
I sell it to anybody that wants to buy.
So you sell it to both.
You sell it to both.
So I can't imagine as an end user...
Taking apart my laptop.
I mean, if it's a desktop, you open it up and you can replace this, you can replace that, but a laptop?
Well, some things aren't too hard.
AC adapters, batteries, they're not very hard, but things like putting in a keyboard or a screen are a little more difficult.
There's a lot of resources out on the Internet that allow you to do it pretty easily.
Well, if you sell, let's say the keyboard on somebody's Sony VAIO. I'm just picking one then in my brain.
Brakes.
No, I am.
I'm just picking one as an example.
Okay.
So the keyboard has broken.
Where do you get the keyboard?
Well, it depends.
Most keyboards I get direct from brokers in China that deal with the factories.
Otherwise, I get it direct from the manufacturer.
Sometimes they're not very hard to get, but most people don't want to waste the time or don't want to do the research to find it themselves, and I fill that need for them.
And so, I see.
And you are findable through Google?
Is that your primary source of clients?
Yeah, we do a lot of AdWords and SEO, and we're number one for the term laptop parts right now.
Oh, so we, as you started this business with others?
I used to be at another company.
That company got bought out, so I got laid off and I decided I'm just going to do it for myself.
With others or truly yourself?
Just by myself.
Out of just curiosity, why did you say we?
Because I have a lot of team members that help me get it done now.
I see.
So you own your company?
Yes.
So you are the classic small business?
I am.
Well, I know how you're voting.
I'm not sure it matters in California.
No, no.
Well, it does on an emotional level.
All right.
Good luck to you, Jeremy.
I will look for you on the Internet if my keyboard...
By the time my keyboard breaks, I will admit, if a keyboard on my laptop broke, I would be searching for a new one.
But I... If you really love it, and obviously with money being what it is for many people, I think that Jeremy is going to be doing fine.
And I hope you do.
All right.
And your vote does matter.
I just want to tell you, it does matter a great deal.
Because there are a whole host of people running for office at any given time.
So Californians should not think that way.
At all.
John in Louisville, Kentucky.
Dennis Prager, hi.
Hello, Dennis?
Yes, sir.
Hello, it's John Turner.
I had a feeling.
Ah, you're coming on the cruise.
Terrific.
Yes, sir.
Yes, I have been working for Rainbow Blossom Health Food Store in the Louisville area for the last ten and a half years, and I'm a nutritional consultant.
I love my job very much on a scale from 0 to 10. I would say I love my job at 10. Wow.
And why is that?
You feel you're helping people?
Exactly.
It's like a second paycheck to me.
That is beautiful.
So this store is big enough to have a full-time nutritionist, as it were.
It is.
Yes, there's five rainbow blossoms in the Louisville area.
Right.
Well, John, you're going to give me some advice on the cruise.
Great to hear from you.
We'll be back in a moment.
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Hello, my friends.
Labor Day means the Labor Day show on the Dennis Prager Show.
I am Dennis Prager.
Thank you for listening.
What do you do for a living?
I can't think of a more appropriate subject for Labor Day.
What is your labor?
And I am each year astounded at the variety.
You would think just by the law of averages we would get a certain number of perhaps people in sales.
Because there are, I would presume, a lot of people in sales.
But it just doesn't work out that way.
The variety is just, I think, an ode to what freedom allows.
Whatever you can think up, and if you can have the niche, then you make a living.
And often, love what you're doing, which is the best.
That's what I do for a living.
I love what I do for a living.
30 years.
And it's like day one.
It's that exciting.
All right, let's continue here.
What do we have thus far?
We had in Hour 1 a baker for Whole Foods, a fitness trainer, a man who owns a company that sells laptop parts, a consultant at a health food store,
a seller of Jewish antique items, The man who monitors the heart-lung machine during open-heart surgery at the perfusionist.
Is it pro or per?
Yes.
A perfusionist.
And a man who secures ads, the ads for the backs of supermarket receipts.
And apparently that is so lucrative, there are people who make a million dollars doing it.
And I went into talk radio.
All righty, Phoenix, Arizona.
Scott, hello, Scott Dennis Prager.
Good day, Dennis.
How are you?
I'm very well, thank you.
My passion is adding value to gift-giving, and I build personalized wine boxes.
Totally personalized with laser engraving, so we put names, dates, graphics, logos, even photos right on the box.
And it really makes the gift unique and different.
Oh, I see.
So somebody wishing to give a gift of a wine, of a bottle of wine, is even giving the bigger gift of the box in which they will put it.
Right.
A lot of people think of just putting it in a paper bag or just putting it on the counter.
Yeah, I'm one of them.
Yes, exactly.
So once the person receives that, and it obviously is a remarkable gift, but once they receive it, what do they do with it?
Well, if it has their name on it, we all love to see our name on the shelf, so it gets displayed, really, for a long, long time.
I see.
With one bottle of wine, obviously.
Right.
It's great as a wedding gift.
What's the most expensive one you've sold?
Well, I do make a six-bottle box that's pretty expensive.
How much?
A lot of times we'll have, well, that one's around $200.
Oh, well, that's pretty recent.
I thought you were going to say something much higher.
I mean, so you use a laser to engrave their name or whatever, or some message?
Yeah, if I design the graphic and get an okay from the customer, and then the laser machine actually engraves or burns the graphic or the names, and then it cuts out the pieces.
And then I sand everything, assemble it with glue and pins, and put a sliding top on it.
It makes it quite different.
How do people find out about you?
Oh, we're totally an online business.
Yeah, but still, but people don't even think it exists.
Well, that's the hard thing.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, what keyword do you search for?
That's right.
Yeah, I mean, personalized wine box.
But now I know it, but I wouldn't have thought it before.
Maybe you'll get business as a result of this.
A lot of my business is repeat business because people are giving it for wedding gifts, so there's a crowd of people around.
Well, I wish you good luck.
There you go.
Talk about a man who's made a niche.
See, I always explain to advertisers, people who want to sell a product on my own show, I say there are two types of products.
This is the single biggest separation.
There are products that you have to convince people yours is the best of that product, but they're going to buy the products.
So a car, for example.
Everybody's going to buy a car.
So you don't have to convince people to buy a car.
You have to convince people to buy your car.
Then there is another type of product, which is far harder.
You have to convince people that they need that product and that it exists.
That's a far more difficult sell to make.
That's what his sell is, because if everybody wanted to buy a personalized wine box with every gift of wine, then he would just say, well, I'm the best.
Fine.
But who thinks of it?
So that's a challenge.
All righty.
Let's go to some more here.
Ray in Camarillo, California.
Hi, Ray.
Dennis Prager.
Yes, good morning.
It's an honor, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What do you do for a living?
I'm the owner of an actuarial and Arista consulting firm.
We establish retirement plans for individuals and small companies.
So you help with the personal finances of your clients?
Well, it's really oriented, frankly, to a corporate level.
Where the owner of the company says, in combination with his own finances and that of his staff, our job is to design a plan that not only allows the owner to put away significant dollars, but also to take care of key staff members, because I've learned long ago that you're only as good as your staff.
So our plans allow him to literally pick and choose the key employees in the company, a sales director, a CFO, even the guy out does shipping.
He can create individually.
Individual contributions for those employees to reward them for a job well done.
So in one sentence, what do you do for a living?
Set up retirement plans to reward people and help them save retirement.
How's business?
You know, it's very good.
It's very good.
How do you make your money?
We basically charge for the type of plan and the number of employees that are in the plan.
I see.
So you don't make any money from the places that the money is invested?
We do work on the investment side, but our primary goal is to design the plan that fits the company.
And if the company didn't want our assistance on the investment side, we do some of it.
We also refer out a lot to investment managers who do that for a full-time living.
How much do you make a year?
Do you know, before you answer, do you know it is so interesting?
If I ask this man, ladies and gentlemen, how often he has intimate relations with his wife, he would tell me.
But if you ask people their salary, it is so interesting.
You don't have to tell me, but remember, you are anonymous.
I won't use you.
What does the person in your field generally make?
Well, as owner of the company, basically, I'm at the very top of the pyramid.
My administrators, my longest-term employee is 33 years, and in my staff, my median duration with the company is over 17 years.
And my administrators make anywhere from $60,000 to $100,000 a year.
Gotcha.
Well, good luck to you, sir.
There you go.
Isn't it interesting?
Why are people reluctant?
Can you write that down, Sean?
I think I'm going to pose that as a question on a regular hour once.
Why are people reluctant to say what they earn?
I mean, people will talk to you about troubles that their children have before they will tell you what they make for a living.
And the truth is, I don't understand why.
I mean, I can understand why people are reluctant to talk about, let's say, marital problems.
You're embarrassed.
But why are you...
What is the embarrassment?
You make too much?
You make too little?
I guess both.
You know, if you make more than $100,000, you don't want to tell anybody, and you make under $90,000, you don't want to tell anybody.
So if you make between $90,000 and $100,000, you'll tell everybody.
No, I don't.
It's so interesting, and I don't know the answer.
And nobody ever asks.
I mean, oh, absolutely not.
You know, how are your hemorrhoids is okay.
What do you make for a living?
That's verboten.
All right, we'll be back in a moment.
Labor Day, I'm Dennis Prager.
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And use the promo code PRAGER. I'm Dennis Prager and on Labor Day I talk about what you labor at.
What you do for a living.
So far, no duplicates.
Seems like everybody does something different.
But I would imagine too that I appeal to the...
I have a vocational appeal.
And there are people in every vocation who listen to the show.
We know that.
But it would seem to be that the entrepreneur and the small business owner and the person who works, who's developed his own niche, is going to be the most likely vocationally to respond.
Is that you think so?
I don't know why.
I'm just saying.
It's not good or bad.
It's just something that...
There would be more people calling in from regular professions, but I don't know what regular means.
Maybe there isn't.
There must be regular professions.
I have to think that among the jobs that people work at that most consist of listeners to this show, I am...
This is purely anecdotal.
I have no basis on any scientific survey.
It's sales, people in sales who listen to the show and from going, you know, from sales to sales and women who are raising kids.
That's a huge, huge listenership because, and here comes a very jolting statement.
You get more intellectual stimulation from me than your five-year-old.
Oh, I said it!
Of course it's true.
I mean, you know.
And a lot of women want intellectual stimulation.
God bless them.
All right.
Let's go to some more of your...
Of what you do for a living here, and we'll go to Corona, California.
Eric.
Hello, Eric.
Dennis Prager.
Hey, Dennis.
Hi.
I do computerized access control in some of the most interesting...
Computerized access control?
Correct.
Meaning?
I make sure the good guys can get where they need to go and the bad guys can't.
Bad guys meaning petty theft to terrorists.
To everything in between.
Well, what exactly do you do?
Well, we have card readers that you swipe your badge at the reader and it allows you through a doorway, through a gate, through an elevator.
So which part do you work on?
Do you make both the card and the reader?
We integrate them.
Some companies make the reader, some companies make the cards, and some people make the search boards, some people make the software.
Okay, so you're the final step to the buyer.
Yeah, we interface with the end user.
What's one of the most sophisticated examples?
I've been where...
Military satellite data was analyzed, and if I looked the wrong way, a guy with an M16 wasn't real thrilled with me.
What does it mean, look the wrong way?
What does that mean?
You...
When I was in this particular room, they had curtains up blocking things I couldn't see, because I didn't have a high enough security clearance to look...
Oh, so you were there selling them your product.
Integrating.
I was actually assembling it, manufacturing it.
Well, not manufacturing.
So what is the future of this?
Eyeball reading?
Well, that is extremely secure because it's very difficult to cut somebody's eyeball out and carry it over to the reader, whereas technically a finger, you could chop somebody's finger off.
So that's about the most secure method.
It's very inconvenient.
Most people really don't like it.
Biometrics, where you put your hand on the reader, it analyzes your bone structure, and that's very secure, and it's a lot more user-friendly.
You can just rest your hand on it, and you can control how sophisticated it is.
If you gain one pound, it can reject you, or you can dial it back to where it won't be quite as sensitive.
Has any system you've sold been broken?
Breached?
Yeah, breach.
That's the word.
Due to user error, yes.
Due to user error.
He was quick on that one.
Well, the New York airport, some jet skier got onto it.
I didn't install that system, but I've installed systems at airports and maintained systems at airports.
And after that happened, I saw a lot more police presence at airports.
What is your background?
Computers?
Yes.
I see.
I was in the military.
I got technical training there.
Well, let me just say, Eric, we need you.
We need you, and I appreciate your call.
That was good.
All right, let's go to Katie in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Hello, Katie.
Dennis Prager.
Hi, Dennis.
I'm one of those stay-at-home moms that uses you for intellectual stimulation.
Yeah, exactly.
There are so many of you.
Yes, there are.
And I commend you, and let me just tell you.
I love you for it.
Well, good.
That means a lot to me, because I'm one of your great advocates.
I know, and it means a lot to us, and so that's why I also kind of just wanted to kind of just say what we do to give a little shout-out to stay-at-home moms, and also I also homeschool my kids.
My boys are six and eight.
I've been home with them since they were born, and we decided to homeschool a few years ago.
For numerous reasons I won't get into, but I do have a pretty long list of responsibilities, obviously schooling them, which I enjoy immensely.
It is pretty much getting re-educated myself.
Of course.
I love it.
I just finished studying the American Revolution.
I loved it.
It was so much fun.
They had a blast.
What books did you use?
We use a lot of books.
We do a lot of reading.
Right, I know, I know.
Look, when I meet homeschool kids, I can tell within 20 seconds.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
That takes a lot of work, you know, the prep and the implementation.
On top of that, you know, the regular household duties, running the house, doing the finances, cleaning, which cleaning after two small boys, three dogs and a cat, that is a job all by itself.
You know, all of the meal planning and everything, everything I do for my husband because I am a wife also.
Music to my ears.
And, you know, he works full-time, so, you know, I take care of him, too, which I enjoy very much.
He also takes care of me.
Do you have any clones who are single for men listening?
You know, unfortunately at this point in my life, all of my friends are pretty much married.
Right.
So, no.
But I also do, I serve at my church every week.
I volunteer for an organization here in Phoenix called Raising Special Kids.
One of my sons has autism, so I do work for them.
I try to maintain a little bit of a social life outside of homeschooling.
I'm one of the Prager girls, so we have our regular luncheons, which usually last about five hours, and that's a good outlet.
And we expect you and any number of other things.
You are beautiful in every way.
The work music.
As appropriate to the day and the show, the Labor Day show, Dennis Prager here.
What do you do for a living?
I wish I had kept the list from previous years.
I have it from today, but I have to remember to keep it.
The variety of work that you folks do is just fascinating, and I love talking to you about it.
So that's what we do on Labor Day.
What's your labor?
No politics today, which is a pleasure in and of itself.
And so let's go to more of your calls.
And if you missed it, I touched on an area that I think we'll explore during a regular hour on a regular day.
People who hate their work, why do they hate it?
And I think the meaning issue...
I think there are two big issues, but I'm not asking for your opinion on this because I want you to call in on what you do for a living.
I think there are two things.
One is the people that you work with, and two, do you believe your work is meaningful?
And I use the man who monitors the heart-lung machine in heart surgery.
Bypass surgery, very complex surgeries for many hours standing and just looking at the machine.
Under other circumstances, the same work would perhaps be terrible, monotonous.
But because of the significance, it's a great analogy of life itself.
If you feel...
That your life is meaningful.
That's everything.
I got that from Victor Frankel, F-R-A-N-K-L, Man's Search for Meaning.
One of the ten books that most influenced my life.
We have that list somewhere up at DennisPrager.com.
All right, my friends, let's go to more of your calls.
West Lafayette, Indiana.
Bob, hello, Bob, Dennis Prager.
Well, thank you for that.
I do apartment maintenance.
Some of it's student housing, some of it's residential.
So maintenance means ensure that it's clean?
No, they have cleaning people.
Like if somebody moves out, somebody else, there's people that go in and clean, do the carpet.
So what do you maintain?
If the toilet's plugged up, they call me.
So, no, now wait, wait, hold on.
So, you do this for apartment buildings?
Yes.
If somebody's toilet's plugged up, they call me.
If somebody's shower drain, don't drain, they call me.
If there's a drip, they call me.
So, is that analogous to what we used to call the superintendent?
Well, I... I actually spread over most of the county as far as to what they maintain, but I just do all the repairs.
So you personally, or it's your company, what exactly?
No, I work for somebody else.
I'm the guy.
I get emails in the morning, somebody's toilet's plugged up, somebody's shower's plugged up.
I see.
I got you.
I got you.
So, okay.
Now, may I ask, and again, you can say you don't want to say, what do you make a year?
I make about $30,000 a year.
And you work all day?
Generally speaking, it's 40 to 50 hours a week.
Some weeks, where you got a roto root or a sewer or something like that, because we do that ourselves, too.
And, well, I do that.
As in for the company, but I could run into some 16-hour days doing that.
So are you paid by salary or by the hour?
By the hour.
That's what I thought.
I understand.
So you're on call?
Pretty much.
There might be a day where you...
They leave me alone on weekends.
I mean, I check my email, and if somebody's got a disaster, we're soon, yeah.
Yeah.
What was the worst disaster, or among the worst disasters you've had to maintain?
Water main busted next to the foundation of a house that had three finished apartments in the basement.
Well, what did you do?
I shut off the water and started backing things out.
What is it, with water extractors?
Are there the machines?
Big shop backs, and then when you get it down to the nitty-gritty, then you call in professionals and have them get the...
Right.
Now, what's the most common thing you're called to do?
The most common...
Oh, uh...
Well, see, that depends on where you're at.
If you're on campus, it's busted windows.
If you're in residential housing, it's toilets.
Yeah.
Do the people, I'm just curious, the people, one sec, the people with the toilets, do you ever wonder, does this person not know how to use a plunger?
No, most of the stuff they call me for is beyond.
Okay, fine.
Alright, so they did need you.
Well, yeah, if you drop a shower curtain ring in a toilet, it'll get stuck in the little snake thing going on in there.
And, yeah, you can plunge it, and it'll unplug, and it'll be fine for about two months.
And how many years have you been doing this work?
Oh, As all I do, about two years.
Oh, what did you do before?
Oh, I'm a diesel mechanic.
A diesel mechanic?
Yeah.
Okay.
And how do you like your work?
One to ten.
Give it a seven.
Okay.
Well, we need you.
That's all I can say.
You're more necessary than I was...
Well, I don't want to get political here, but I would say that we need maintenance men a lot more than we need some of the professors that teach at universities in certain...
In certain disciplines.
But I won't name them because I don't want to go there right now.
Not that professors in general are not necessary.
I love the life of the mind.
We go to Dave, Los Angeles.
Hello, Dave.
Dennis Prager.
Hi, Dennis.
How are you?
I'm well, thank you.
Yes, I'm a union organizer.
I've been one for 35 years now.
Well, I'm glad you listened to the show, given how much I knock the unions.
Yeah, well, I listen religiously, literally, because I first found you from Religion on the Line.
It used to be such a godsend on Sunday night.
In fact, I can say that's what actually changed me from being a fallen-away Catholic back to a devout one.
Ah, that made my day.
That's wonderful to hear.
here.
I'm glad it did.
So you organize the folks that are not unionized?
Unionized?
Well, I do both.
I mean, we all...
Now, wait a minute.
Wait, wait.
You do it in the...
You don't do it...
You see, I'm a little confused here.
You are with the SEIU. Yes.
So you're doing it for state employees.
No, we represent...
I work exclusively in the private sector.
Oh, I don't have an issue there.
That's all right.
Yeah.
I don't know.
My big issue is with state and federal and local employee unions.
I think if you work for the public, you shouldn't be unionized.
But if you work for private industry, that's your prerogative.
Yeah, it's too bad.
I wish people could sort of make that fine distinction when they talk about the labor movement, but it doesn't seem to work that way.
So what does it mean?
You will go into a sector and you will...
Are you like an agitator?
Well, yeah, that's part of the job.
And the places where the workers that I'm working with don't have a union contract or the union doesn't deal with their employer yet, yeah, we agitate, get people together and organize for their own benefit and protection, ultimately get a union contract.
So how do you explain the fact that there are a lot of employees, for example, various airlines?
They don't want, like, for example, flight attendants.
They often vote not to unionize.
How do you explain that in the few seconds remaining?
Well, the labor movement has, you know, I'm Dave here, I'm kind of anonymous.
The labor movement has, you know, from 1955 onward, when they had this great mass of workers, rather than being competent, there was a lot of incompetence that led to a lot of people thinking unions are worthless, and that term union, it's like saying government is worthless, in my opinion.
But people, again, once you get that reputation, it never goes away.
Well, as I said, I am truly delighted you listened to this show, Dave.
Thank you.
Hello, my friends.
This is the Labor Day Show on the Dennis Prager Show.
What do you do for a living?
That's the question.
Every year I'm amazed at the variety of work that Americans do.
What was today's most obscure one?
That's what I thought.
Exactly what I thought.
And they can make a good living getting the coupons and ads on the back of the receipts at your grocery store.
All right.
Well, I think Obscure, too, is running the heart-lung machine.
I mean, how many?
Yeah, and the motorcycle.
Yeah, we had a lot of that.
All right, let's go on here.
Brian, Alpharetta, Georgia.
Dennis Prager, hi.
Hi, Dennis.
How are you?
Good.
Well, thank you.
I have not called in since 11 years ago when I was 15 years old, and you sound the same over the phone as you did then.
Just wanted you to know that.
Well, that's very nice.
I feel the same, actually, if not better.
So you called in at 15?
I did.
Wow.
You were talking about, I believe it's what kind of music kids my age at the time listened to.
Right.
I was a member of a symphony orchestra, and so I guess I was more of an exception.
I didn't listen to as much of the pop culture music.
What about today?
Do you listen to pop music today?
I did more in college, but it's amazing what having a two-year-old will do.
They start to say things they shouldn't because you're listening to music you shouldn't be.
Oh, that's funny.
You change your tune pretty quick.
That's like the woman who called me once to say why she took her kid out of daycare.
The first words that she heard her daughter say were, come on down.
They had the prices right on all the time.
Nice.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay, I called in today, first of all, to say I was listening to your show in the last hour and a mother who homeschools her kids called in and that's when I started dialing because I was homeschooled.
I was homeschooled at the time I called you and for nine years before that and now I am a power engineer living on the other side of the country with my family, my wife, and my two-year-old daughter.
I'm a power engineer.
I was homeschooled.
And I guess the reason I wanted to do power engineering is because in high school and in college, people of my generation, if you're interested in engineering or math or even video games, we all wished we were around when Bill Gates or Hewlett and Packard were doing their thing, and you kind of feel like you missed the Silicon Valley boom a little bit.
And what I realized in college was that's happening in the power world right now.
I'll put it this way.
If I were to drive by your house, I guess, how many computerized devices would be in that house?
Oh, a dozen.
All right.
Do you know what a substation is?
It's that area where all the power lines go, and they're surrounded by a barbed wire fence, a razor wire fence, and there's a little control house sitting in the middle there, and they're usually at the side of the road, and people tend not to pay attention to them.
But if you were to drive by a substation, the chances are pretty high that you would not find A computer chip in any device inside that building.
And so the computer revolution in the power industry is happening right now, and it's pretty fun to be a part of.
Wait, it's happening in that, oh, now computers are entering that world.
Right, exactly.
I see.
We're so used to the buy a new cell phone every two years and throw it away, put it in the trash bin and everything, and for power...
You don't want to invest in equipment that you're going to have to replace every couple of years.
So it's been a major challenge to get computerized devices into the power industry.
So why is that an asset?
It's an asset because if you're relying on switches and springs and electromagnets to control the flow of your power and react to problems like trees falling against your power lines, once it's done its job, it's done its job.
It powers out.
How do you know?
Where the problem was?
Or how do you know why it turned the power off on this neighborhood?
There's no way to know.
If you're using a computerized device, you can have memory, much like a computer in there, and it can be constantly storing the voltage and the current, the power that it's seeing.
And so when it decides to turn the power off on somebody, you can go connect to it, even remotely.
And ask it why.
And it should be able to give you a reason why.
And it should be able to give you...
And that's what...
And that's your...
So that's your area of work.
Yes.
At the cusp of the power industry.
Yes.
It's fun.
Well, call me 11 years from now, if not sooner.
Okay.
Sounds good, Dennis.
Thank you.
You're wonderful.
Really.
It's heartwarming, isn't it?
Called me when he was 15. And now he's at the cutting edge of this industry.
You're a good man.
And he's already made a family at 26. That's good stuff.
Gene in Philadelphia, Dennis Prager.
Hello, Gene.
Hey, Dennis.
You know, I've always wanted to thank Sean for something.
Oh, no, no.
He gets too much praise here.
Please.
But all right, go ahead.
Through his bumper music, he's introduced me to one of my favorite bands, the Fleet Foxes, or Fleet Foxes, I should say.
The Fleet Foxes?
Yeah.
I'm sure he knows what I'm talking about.
Sean, do you know what he's talking about?
Alan gets credit for it.
That's what Sean said.
See, that's why I like...
You like Sean because of the music, but I like Sean because he gives Alan the credit for the music because Alan picked the music.
So I'll give him double thank you.
Okay.
That's right.
Well, I write and illustrate children's books for a living.
Get out!
I do!
Both write and illustrate.
Yeah.
Give us the name of one.
Well, I guess my latest one is called Timeless Thomas, How Thomas Edison Changed Our Lives.
I like that title, Timeless Thomas.
Yeah.
So your background is in art?
Well, I'm self-taught there.
Yeah, but I started as an illustrator in books, and since about 2005, I've also been writing as well.
You love your work?
I always have to, when things get a little frustrated or you get notes back from the publisher, things you don't want to do, you know that feeling.
But you still have to just thank the heavens that you're doing something you love for a living.
So who did publish the last book?
Henry Holt.
Oh, you're okay.
I mean, it's very hard to make it in your field.
Yeah, that's where I knock wood, too, because I've been able to make it a consistent living, and my books do well and get reviewed well.
Yeah, that's very, very rare.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
I know about that.
I mean, I have not done children's books, but I know people who have.
It's very, very well.
All books, it's very hard to get published.
I published my first book on my own.
It did so well.
Simon& Schuster then published it.
And the rest of the books were published by reputable and famous publishers.
But my first book was on my own.
And it did very well.
Thank God.
Okay, my friends.
We continue.
Let's see.
We've got an actor calling in.
They're always fun.
We'll be back in a moment.
This is the Labor Day show.
Dennis Prager laboring.
That's the sound of the men working on the chain.
Gang.
That's the sound of the men working on the chain.
Gang.
All day long they're saying.
I love this.
Labor Day music for the Labor Day show with a laboring Dennis Prager.
One of the only times of the year that I come into the studio in shorts, knowing that only Sean will be here.
Otherwise, and he can vouch for it.
It's a shirt and tie and slacks every day.
What do you do for a living, my friends?
That's the question on this day.
And there are so many good calls.
It's difficult to choose.
Katie, Arizona.
Hello, Katie.
Hello.
I make teeth.
So does God.
And he does a much better job than me.
I will confess that.
Alright, okay.
That's humble.
What does it mean you make teeth?
Well, you go to the dentist and he tells you you need a crown.
And he grinds your teeth all up and takes an impression.
And the impression comes to somebody like me.
And I'm the one who turns that into the crown that goes back into your mouth.
You make the teeth or the tooth from that impression?
Yes.
So, does that amount to essentially filling that, what is it, indentation, what is it again?
The impression, the impression the doctor takes.
So, do you fill it and then it hardens and then you have the tooth?
Well, you make a model out of that, kind of like pouring up a plaster mold.
Right.
And then you, depending on what it is you're having made, you know, we make a tooth that goes on that.
A lot of them are...
Nowadays, they're all porcelain, and sometimes they have metal substructures.
But yeah, we make the tooth.
We make it fit your model.
What's the biggest difference between the God-given and the Katie-given?
The materials.
You just can't make...
You know how you think about how diamonds can cut glass because they're stronger?
Yes.
You just can't make a material that wears on your opposite teeth.
As well as a natural tooth.
So you're always going to have problems with teeth wearing down and stuff like that opposite of your crown.
Unless you get a gold crown.
They're still the best, unfortunately.
No thanks.
Isn't that amazing that we can't replicate nature in that way?
They're getting better.
There's a lot of good materials out there.
So what is the best new material?
Gosh, you know what?
It depends on what you want.
If you want something really highly aesthetic, which is what most people want.
So it's usually a trade-off between durability and aesthetics, correct?
Yeah, exactly.
So you have to come back.
But I go for aesthetics.
I agree with you.
So do you actually meet the patient or you just meet their mold?
Oh, never.
I just meet the mold.
In fact, all of my clients are out of state.
How's that?
So what, do you work at home?
Yeah, I do.
Would you like to meet the patient, or are you very happy the way it works now?
I'm even happy not meeting the doctors.
So you studied to be a dental technician?
No, nobody studies to be a dental technician.
You fall into this line of work, and you get trapped, and you never get out.
So you can study.
You can get...
All right, look, this brings out the obvious question.
One to ten, how much do you love it?
You know what?
I love the actual work.
I give the work a nine.
It's the schedule that's sometimes like a five.
It's very unsteady work.
Sometimes in the year, you're working 12, 14, 16 hours a day, and then sometimes in the year, you hardly have any work.
There's a definite curve to when people get their crowns done.
Is that right?
Wait, that goes year after year, the same time of the year?
Yes.
I have no idea what the answer is.
When do they want their crowns done?
At the end of the year, at Christmas time.
So you never get to go to any Christmas parties.
At the beginning of the year.
But not during the summer.
And not when kids are going back to school.
You've got to spend money on other things.
Do you have a family?
Yes, I do.
So you have kids, obviously.
Do the kids watch you do this?
Yes, they do.
They get a kick out of it?
They're a little too young right now, but they do find it interesting, yes.
Well, Katie, I thank you, and I think you do very important work being the owner of Crowns myself.
We return on the Labor Day show on the Dennis Prager Show.
Dennis Prager, Labor Day show.
What's your labor?
That's what we do.
And I'm going to try to go a little faster because, as I said, we could do this all week and still not repeat one professional job.
All right, Carl in Los Angeles.
Dennis Prager, hi.
Hey, Dennis.
So I'm a motion picture television art director.
I also do set design and digital effects work.
What does art director mean?
Well, you've got a big bunch of people with art, and you tell them, put it over there.
That's the direction.
No, not really.
Being an art director is pretty much being between the production designer, who's the top artistic vision for the department, and then being between all of the folks who make stuff happen, and being sort of the coordinator and the administrative eye-daughter and t-crosser to make sure that everything is in front of the camera when it should be where it should be.
Are in charge of the set?
Well, I work as a member of a team that's in charge of the sets.
Right.
So, what do others do that you don't do?
Well, as I said, up at the top, there's the fellow who's the production designer, and he's the guy who sits down with the director and perhaps the producers.
And they really work out, what's your feel for this?
What do you want this to look like?
Blue, green, big, small, dark, bright, rococo, baroque, you know, like that.
And this has nothing to do with costumes?
Well, the costume designer is a department head in their own right.
Right.
They work to a degree.
They work together with the production designer.
Depending, different shows are structured in different ways.
Sometimes, frequently, the costume designer is kind of subordinate to the production designer.
But they're very different specialties.
And yet, yours is a third specialty, because you're an art director.
Yes, that's right.
So, let's just imagine a movie, and there's a street scene.
So, where would your work come in?
Because the street exists prior to your doing anything.
Well, in my capacity as an art director, first off, if it's a real street out in the real world, I'd be working with somebody whose title is location manager.
And location manager's job is to go out into the real world or onto the back lots of the studios and find us a suitable house, a suitable street, a suitable whatever that we can turn into our place to shoot.
Once we've got that in hand, say it's a New York City street scene, well, we've got to think about...
What are the store windows dressed like?
If it's a street with stores, traffic signage, what's that going to look like?
The city of New York, like any city, isn't really going to give you permission to use the exact, precise graphics on, say, their police cars that the real ones use, so you're going to have a graphic designer working with you who's going to make up something that's going to look...
I don't think people realize what goes on into a movie.
I really don't.
Does your field have an Academy Award?
The Academy Award is for Best Art Direction, yes, for my particular discipline.
So is there a legend in your mind, in your field?
Oh, gosh, wow, there are quite a few.
I would say the two top names to me, gosh, probably Dante Ferretti, who designed films.
I worked for him on The Last of the Mohicans.
He also designed The Aviator and The Name of the Rose and, my goodness, a lot of really good-looking movies.
He's a tremendous talent.
And perhaps the other, I guess, might be Nigel Phelps.
Nigel Phelps is a British fellow who is also a tremendous artist and designer.
There's a whole raft of hugely talented, gifted people out there.
Now, would you tell anybody in your field that you listen to this show?
Sure, why not?
So you've come out of the closet?
Well, the question kind of presupposes maybe that I'm a little more politically in line with you.
No, no, no, not at all.
That you listen.
You could be a flaming liberal and it's fine with me.
But people are afraid to even acknowledge they listen to talk radio.
Well, you know, in Hollywood, you may have heard this expression.
There's what they call above the line and below the line.
Above the line basically means that you're...
Definitely big noise.
You're taking home the huge paychecks.
Your name is going on the front of that movie in big letters where everybody sees it.
Below the line is, well, that's all the rest of us.
We all have our work to do, and we all do our thing, and we collect our check and go home.
But, you know, we're not famous.
You don't get famous doing what we do.
Pretty much above the line, your publicly known, your professionally known political persona is a lot more important than below the line.
Okay, fair enough.
All right, my final question.
One to ten, how much do you love your work?
I'd say around a 10.25.
It beats working for a living.
Wow.
You're a fortunate man, and I appreciate your call immensely.
Mary in Arizona in Phoenix has been waiting for a long time.
Hello, Mary.
Dennis Prager.
Hi, Dennis.
This is a great honor with a capital H on honor.
Well, thank you.
I had a wonderful job, and I have to replace myself.
Because I just looked at my summer newsletter and there's at least 35 job openings, and I counted that conservatively.
And I think you could multiply that across the country.
But I was a technology specialist, and the jobs are for all types of occupational therapists, which is what I was.
I like to think I am, and so I'm spending my retirement trying to encourage people to be therapists.
It's a wonderful area.
There are jobs out there.
There's lots of good programs to study in.
But different therapists do what I did, and that was adapting all types of technology for students and adults that had very complicated health issues.
Give us one example.
Many of them couldn't speak.
And so if you think about that for a minute, not having speech.
On those kind of days where we can find the right switch or the right keyboard or the right speech device with the access to the device that works for the person, it's a 20. If you could imagine seeing their faces.
In other words, so you make it possible for people with great handicaps to be able to function.
Yes.
The most exciting day I think I had was a little gal who had no use of her body except her tongue.
And in my day, which was for her 20 years ago, I had to actually make and design the tongue switch for her to operate her computer and her speech device.
Well, I've got to take a break, but I could just say people like you make a better world.
I thank you.
I thank you.
I can't believe that we're coming to the end here.
It's been so interesting.
What do you do for a living?
Stephanie in California is a life coach for artists, painters, musicians.
She connects businesses with artists.
They can work together.
Cliff in Queens, New York.
What is HVAC? Installation and Maintenance.
He's originally from the country, Jamaica, and now he lives in Jamaica, Queens.
Ralph in Manhattan is an actor, and I wish we could talk to you because I promised that we would.
Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning.
Okay.
Ralph, you should be the first next year.
David in Texas is a substation engineer for utilities.
Alan Houston owns a company that makes and sells various charcuterie artisan foods.
Bacon, guanjali, sausages, smoked cheeses, mustards.
Says he gets paid to play a mad scientist in the kitchen.
Richard in Colorado develops franchises for businesses.
That's fascinating.
I'd love to talk to you.
In the final minute, I'll tell you what I do for a living.
I try to make sense of life every day for three hours and offer you my best thoughts.
Reflecting my highest values and make it interesting for three hours a day.
And I am extremely fortunate to be able to do so.
But everyone who loves his work is fortunate to do so.
It is not a unique fortune.
That's why so many of you...
Rated your love of your work highly.
And I appreciate that fact.
And I want to add one more word.
That those who stay home and take care of kids are doing the most important work.
To make a home, to be a good spouse, to make a happy home, no job compares.
And ultimately making a better world.
It's just, it doesn't bring in a direct paycheck.
That's the only difference.
Thank you, my friends, and a wonderful Labor Day to you.
I'm Dennis Prager.
And I remind you to visit StandUSA.com for the values we share.
Dennis Prager here.
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