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People's Desire for Care
00:04:13
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| I read to you yesterday from the Daily Mail. | |
| I didn't know that she was on Jordan Peterson. | |
| She was on Fox News, spoke to the New York Post. | |
| She is a student. | |
| She's 27, a student at Columbia University, which has become a wasteland. | |
| And she really has just said, you know what, I fled North Korea. | |
| And I thought I was coming to liberty, and I see liberty suppressed and not valued in America. | |
| Which is exactly right. | |
| So, Yanmi, what I concluded in the last couple of years, a very big thing, and that is that human nature does not yearn to be free. | |
| It yearns to be taken care of. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, that's what I thought after going through all of that. | |
| And I went to South Korea when people asked me, what do you think? | |
| And nobody asked the question in North Korea. | |
| Like, what I thought never mattered. | |
| My destiny was determined even before I was born. | |
| I never had to think for myself. | |
| And it was such a pain to do that. | |
| I literally remember if I had a guarantee of getting enough frozen potato and not getting killed by the regime, I would actually rather go back to North Korea where there was no responsibility and where I didn't have to think. | |
| Because freedom was a responsibility. | |
| That's exactly right. | |
| Freedom is a responsibility. | |
| That's exactly right. | |
| So when we watch people crying hysterically, At the death of Kim Jong-il, for example. | |
| That's not acting. | |
| They're really crying. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Well, I do believe that when Kim Il-sung died, that was 100% it was a genuine cry. | |
| Literally, my mom thought when Kim Il-sung died, it was God died. | |
| She thought the Earth was going to stop spinning. | |
| She really thought that was the end of time, end of universe. | |
| When Kim Jong-un died, it was more mixed feelings. | |
| But still, the majority of people, like 98% of people, believed it. | |
| However, though, it's not like you have option not to cry. | |
| There are spies everywhere. | |
| There are guards everywhere right there looking at you if you don't cry. | |
| And you go to political prison camp if you don't cry. | |
| So in a way, people, you know, that's the thing, that's what I learned. | |
| The will to survive is the strongest force in the human being. | |
| We can't, like, literally move the mountains if we face death, right? | |
| So people in North Korea, because of, like, life and death situation, they have to do it to survive. | |
| Right. | |
| So, well, that's what my original thinking was, this crazy crying. | |
| I mean, everybody cries, but this is, it looked like an act. | |
| But the more I think about it, it might, that's why I asked you, it might also be genuine. | |
| So I don't know what to think, but maybe there's no way to know. | |
| That's the whole point in North Korea. | |
| You don't know what people are thinking. | |
| No. | |
| It is like they're leaving the tree man show, the movie, right? | |
| There's no public survey. | |
| We don't even know the concept of survey. | |
| There's no way you go ask the group people, what do you think? | |
| How do you explain your mother? | |
| Well, I mean, she had to eventually come to her own realization. | |
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Father's Betrayal
00:03:02
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| It took a long time for her. | |
| But there's no way she could see the truth. | |
| No, no, I'm saying how did she get the courage to think independently and to try to escape with you? | |
| It was my decision that I told her to escape with me when I was 13. Really? | |
| Really? | |
| Were you worried that she would report you to the police? | |
| No, I wouldn't. | |
| I did not. | |
| So that was the one thing I had was I had a very, very loving parent who loved me unconditionally. | |
| All right. | |
| So what happened with your father? | |
| He was out of prison and he was very sick. | |
| And the thing is, when you escape, there's a higher chance of you not making it. | |
| So if my father knew that I was escaping, so once I get caught, They're going to ask me, torture me, if I told anybody. | |
| If I did tell my father, then he is actually responsible because he had to report on me. | |
| Right, so then he would be tortured. | |
| So yes, and then he's going to get killed. | |
| So when I was escaping, I heard my mom, like, you are going to come with me, and then I didn't tell my father. | |
| So he had no idea. | |
| The ISIS one day disappeared from his life. | |
| And we let all the victims do that to protect their family. | |
| We cannot even afford to take a child. | |
| Right, but you went with your mother. | |
| So your mother also left without speaking to your father about it? | |
| No. | |
| So your father woke up one day with no wife and no daughter? | |
| Yeah. | |
| Do you know what happened to him since you escaped? | |
| Oh, and then six months later, after I was in China, when I got to China, I was sold separately from my mom because I was sold by human traffickers. | |
| So I was 13 years old. | |
| I was virgin, so they sold me for less than $300. | |
| And they sold my mom for less than $100. | |
| So I got separated from my mom. | |
| I was bought by another human trafficker, and of course he was trying to rape me, and I was going to kill myself. | |
| But he told me if I become his mistress, that he could have saved my family for me. | |
| And I decided to leave at that because, you know, I could have saved my family if I became his mistress. | |
| So I became his mistress at 13. He bought my mom back from the farmer that he sold. | |
| And then he brought my sick father from North Korea in October of 2007. Wow, what a story. | |
| What a story. | |
| By the way, you did the right thing. | |
| I just want you to know. | |