Dennis Prager Show - Harvard Student Julie Hartman Recounts the Reaction to Her Appearance with Dennis
Aired: 2021-05-27
Duration: 06:43


=== Knew Better Than to Condone (04:16) ===

[00:00:00]  Young woman here, she's going to be a senior at Harvard, and I witnessed truly a metamorphosis, a transformative moment, as I called it last segment, when she debated whether to come on my show and knew that she would have health to pay among her peers.
[00:00:25]  Young people want to be loved by peers.
[00:00:28]  Old people want to be loved by the New York Times.
[00:00:32]  People want to be loved by the wrong people.
[00:00:36]  Everybody likes being loved.
[00:00:37]  It's normal.
[00:00:39]  But if you're loved by unimpressive people, there's something unimpressive about you.
[00:00:49]  So, she knew, and she didn't know how bad it would be, as it turns out, and I'm learning that now.
[00:00:56]  Coming on my show, That would be known at her school, among peers, etc.
[00:01:04]  So, you said off the air that they were two of the toughest weeks of your life after you appeared on this show.
[00:01:11]  Yes.
[00:01:12]  You want to get our mic on there?
[00:01:14]  It was.
[00:01:16]  Yes.
[00:01:16]  Right.
[00:01:17]  Describe it in more detail.
[00:01:22]  Well, I think at that point, I really was...
[00:01:27]  I was at the beginning of my journey with conservatism.
[00:01:30]  So I found PragerU.
[00:01:32]  I read your books.
[00:01:34]  And I wasn't yet.
[00:01:36]  I have read so much more now.
[00:01:38]  Again, as I said last segment, I'm so much more comfortable in my conservatism.
[00:01:42]  But then I was just kind of at the beginning of it.
[00:01:44]  So I didn't really have the tools to kind of come back at people in the way that I do now.
[00:01:52]  People were just so unkind.
[00:01:55]  Interestingly, when I saw the YouTube video, a lot of the people commenting on the video were actually really lovely, like a lot of your listeners, which I'm very, very grateful for.
[00:02:06]  They say that people on the internet are so terrible.
[00:02:08]  They actually were really lovely to me.
[00:02:10]  It was the people in my life, interestingly.
[00:02:13]  It was the people who I went to school with or who had...
[00:02:17]  I had gone to school with or played on a sports, you know, it was those people that gave me the toughest time.
[00:02:24]  And, you know, I'm a good person.
[00:02:26]  I don't want to hurt other people's feelings.
[00:02:28]  And it was so hard because people were, they weren't just saying that they disagreed with me.
[00:02:34]  They were saying that I was condoning and supporting bigotry.
[00:02:38]  And, you know, it started to get to me.
[00:02:42]  And I look back and I go, Julie, how did, you know.
[00:02:45]  You should have just blocked out the noise.
[00:02:47]  You knew you were not doing anything wrong.
[00:02:49]  But when you have such a crowd of people telling you that you are doing something so wrong, I think as any good person would, you just look inside yourself and you go, okay, did I? But again, I had a friend who said to me, Julie, you are doing what a college kid is supposed to be doing.
[00:03:14]  Again, you are seeking out new perspectives.
[00:03:18]  You are learning.
[00:03:19]  You are evolving.
[00:03:20]  You're not just catering to the party line or what you've been taught.
[00:03:26]  You're seeking out different perspectives.
[00:03:28]  And that is what pulled me out of it.
[00:03:30]  Because I thought, you're right.
[00:03:32]  You're totally right.
[00:03:33]  I'm doing what any college kid is supposed to be doing.
[00:03:36]  Out of curiosity, I'm interested on a personal level and obviously on a larger level.
[00:03:43]  Did you actually confront any of those who attacked you for coming on the show?
[00:03:47]  Yes, I did.
[00:03:48]  I did.
[00:03:49]  And did you ask any of them, do you have evidence to support your saying that Dennis Prager is a bigot?
[00:03:57]  Well, they would point to things like your opposition gay marriage or your pro-life policy.

=== Why They Dismiss Us (02:42) ===

[00:04:04]  And to them, that is very, very bigoted.
[00:04:07]  I happen to see it differently.
[00:04:08]  I think that you have – I may disagree with you on some of those issues, but I think you have very principled stances on them.
[00:04:14]  But they – here's the thing.
[00:04:16]  If you just have a different policy perspective, they're immediately going to brand that as bigoted.
[00:04:22]  They're not even going to listen to what your reasoning for that is.
[00:04:26]  They're just going to dismiss you.
[00:04:28]  And that's what I really learned.
[00:04:29]  Because sometimes arguing with these people, what I've noticed is there are some people who just don't fundamentally understand conservatives.
[00:04:37]  I fell into that camp before I found you.
[00:04:40]  But then there are other people who blindfold themselves.
[00:04:44]  They don't want to understand why conservatives have these arguments.
[00:04:50]  It's not just that they see us as villains, but they need to see us as villains.
[00:04:55]  It's intrinsic to their worldview.
[00:04:57]  That's why you often say that leftism is a religion of sorts to these people.
[00:05:02]  It's true, because they confect these mythologies about conservatives.
[00:05:07]  They refuse to see that they can have a...
[00:05:10]  Opinions that are not rooted in bigotry.
[00:05:13]  They see us as the satanic figures, and they see themselves as the messianic figures.
[00:05:18]  It's very bizarre.
[00:05:20]  They cannot accept that you have certain opinions that are not rooted in bigotry.
[00:05:26]  It's unbelievable.
[00:05:27]  It's really shocking.
[00:05:30]  It's so interesting because the left has historically argued that they're nuanced.
[00:05:38]  And we're not.
[00:05:40]  I know.
[00:05:40]  We're Manichean, and they're not.
[00:05:43]  But it's all inverted.
[00:05:46]  They are Manichean.
[00:05:48]  The world is divided between light and dark, and we're dark.
[00:05:52]  That's why you can't...
[00:05:55]  See, there is no left-wing show.
[00:05:58]  If there was a show called We Hate America, I would appear on it.
[00:06:04]  I would be thrilled to appear.
[00:06:07]  On a left-wing show.
[00:06:09]  But they don't want to appear on our shows.
[00:06:13]  Why is that?
[00:06:15]  No, I'm serious.
[00:06:16]  Why is that?
[00:06:17]  I really think...
[00:06:19]  Well, they'll say because, you know, they don't even want to give a voice to bigotry.
[00:06:22]  That's their classic response.
[00:06:23]  But what it really is, is they don't want to debate you.
[00:06:26]  That's right.
[00:06:27]  They know they don't have the ammo to do it.
[00:06:31]  They don't have the ammo to do it.
[00:06:34]  And they don't have truth on their side.
[00:06:37]  Well, it is one joy to have you on our side.
[00:06:42]  Thank you.