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Two Norms Clash
00:02:06
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| What you have said should take medical authority seriously. | |
| You said that might be a little too extreme of you. | |
| I don't know why it is, but you were talking about two norms. | |
| Please continue. | |
| Sure. | |
| So there's two norms, right? | |
| One is scientific debate has to be open. | |
| When there's evidence that comes out, you decide who's right, who's wrong. | |
| It has to be absolutely open to new ideas and challenges. | |
| There cannot be any violation of that or you're not doing science. | |
| That's norm one. | |
| On the other hand, there's a public health norm where there has to be some unanimity of messaging. | |
| So when there's dissent in public health, well, I mean, that might undermine public health. | |
| It's dangerous to undermine public health. | |
| I mean, that's actually not an unreasonable norm, right? | |
| If you have a whole range of opinions about public health. | |
| What's the right thing to do? | |
| It sort of may undermine the ability of public health people to give out good information to help guide the public who's not paying attention reasonably to the scientific literature. | |
| The problem, I think, has been in a situation where there really was deep scientific uncertainty, we immediately jump to the public health norm of unanimity messaging. | |
| The moral basis of that norm is that the science has been done to justify it. | |
| But it hadn't been done to justify it. | |
| And through the whole epidemic, we've seen this, that somehow it's dangerous to push back on public health messaging and ideas that actually don't have a solid scientific basis, where there's great deep uncertainty and huge amount of debate still left to be done. | |
| And it's been dangerous for science and incredibly damaging for public health. | |
| I think we need to address both. | |
| Both science and public health have been harmed by this epidemic. | |
| About the way that the policies move forward in the epidemic, and I hope to be able to help address that in the coming year. | |
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People Who Love Science
00:00:26
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| Well, you are, and I salute you. | |
| It's an honor to speak to you. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Thank you, Dan. | |
| It's really an honor to speak to you as well. | |
| Yes. | |
| The people who love science do not love lockdowns and masks. | |
| That's the science. | |