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Why Police Can Tell
00:06:21
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| UncleTom.com. | |
| It rhymes. | |
| That's why he did it, by the way. | |
| He asked, you know, we discussed the possible name. | |
| I have more soul than I could control. | |
| There you go. | |
| You see that? | |
| He thinks in rhymes. | |
| That's right. | |
| He wrote the original rap melody, in fact. | |
| It's not well known. | |
| That was one of the original Sugar Heel Gang. | |
| What'd they call that? | |
| Sugar Heel Gang? | |
| The one they did the... | |
| Yes, according to Sean, yes. | |
| By the way, Sean is black. | |
| I don't know why you're laughing. | |
| That is so wrong. | |
| Larry King told me, honestly, that his kids want to be black. | |
| And that's the other thing about all of this stuff. | |
| Kids like black music, black culture, whatever that is. | |
| You know my son David. | |
| I asked David when he was 80. I said, what do you want to be when you grow up? | |
| He said, black. | |
| That's exactly right. | |
| The only pictures in his room were black guys because they had the Lakers. | |
| He was a big Laker fan. | |
| And you know that Tess has been... | |
| Shown for decades that black people have higher self-esteem than white people. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And much higher self-esteem than Asian. | |
| I'll tell you, if that's true, it's a little confusing. | |
| I am a victim with high self-esteem. | |
| Mm-hmm. | |
| Okay. | |
| All right. | |
| Let me take your calls, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| Chicago, Patrick, thank you for calling. | |
| Hey, I just got something that's kind of stuck in my craw about what Mr. Elder said when he first came on about how can a police officer know that a person is black before they pull him over? | |
| And I got three ways a police officer can know a person's culture before pulling them over. | |
| And the first one is that if they're patrolling a black community, there's a 99% chance that the person they're pulling over is black. | |
| And my second one is that black people, they fix their cars up different than white people. | |
| So when you go out into a white suburb, there's police officers that can say there's an 80% chance that that person... | |
| Can you give me an example? | |
| The first one made sense to me. | |
| So tell me. | |
| A person, most young black people, they put aftermarket accessories on their car. | |
| So they may have rims that are 20 inches, 22 inches, and they're chrome and they shine. | |
| They may have... | |
| Okay, all right, I got it. | |
| What's the third way a policeman could know the color of the driver? | |
| Well, simply, this happened to me, and I'm 50 years old. | |
| I went out to the suburbs to visit my friend, and he has a white girlfriend. | |
| And it was late. | |
| And I was leaving to go, driving down the street, dark street, to the highway, and a police officer got behind me, just very close, lights were in my rearview mirror, and he stayed on me all the way until I got right up to the expressway, and he pulled me over and said, what are you doing around here? | |
| Okay, alright, alright. | |
| I got you. | |
| All right, I got you. | |
| And only because of time I want Larry to respond. | |
| Are you still on? | |
| Yeah, but I put him on hold. | |
| Okay. | |
| I wanted to know what his conclusion was. | |
| So therefore, what? | |
| You assume that all officers pull over? | |
| My conclusion is, Mr. Elder, how can you not know this? | |
| How can I not know what? | |
| The police are more likely to pull blacks over. | |
| Because they can identify the black people's cars by their accessory and therefore they have an idea that it's a black person and that's why the person got pulled over? | |
| Okay. | |
| Well, it's not like these things have not been studied and studied and studied. | |
| And that's what gets me about these kinds of debates. | |
| In 2013, during the Obama administration, the National Institutes of Justice, which is the research arm of the DOJ, put out a study called Race and Traffic Stops. | |
| 75% of black motorists admitted that when they were pulled over, they were pulled over for legitimate reasons. | |
| And it turned out, you name the offense, whether it's speeding, driving without a license, driving without a headlight, driving with an expired tag, you name the offense a black motorist was more likely to commit it than other motorists. | |
| And therefore, the NIJ concluded that the disproportionate reasons that blacks were pulled over was due to, quote, legitimate factors, end of quote. | |
| Secondly, About not being able to tell whether that person is black or being able to tell whether the person is black. | |
| Let's take the allegation that was made against New Jersey state troopers years ago when Christy Todd Whitman was governor of New Jersey. | |
| People were accusing the troopers of disproportionately pulling over black motorists on the New Jersey Turnpike. | |
| So she ordered a study and it turned out... | |
| That, according to the researchers, the officers could not tell the race of the people who were in the cars because they were going so fast. | |
| Because in the daytime, the sun would reflect off the windows. | |
| At nighttime, forget about it. | |
| You couldn't tell anyway. | |
| And so the researchers concluded that there was no evidence whatsoever that there was a disproportionate pulling over of black voters because of racism. | |
| She didn't like the study. | |
| She threw it out. | |
| Asked for different people. | |
| Use different methodology. | |
| Same conclusion, different methodology. | |
| These officers were not pulling over people because they were black. | |
| It turns out the faster the car went, the more likely it was to be a black driver. | |
| I don't know why. | |
| I'm just telling you what the facts are. | |
| And that study, too, was thrown out. | |
| So she didn't like the results twice. | |
| And again, instead of this being good news, instead of being happy about this... | |
| Instead of maybe putting on some PSAs urging black motorists to slow down, the conclusion is, well, it must be there, we just couldn't find it. | |
| Honestly. | |
| I'll even go a step further, and I may be wrong. | |
| But in light of my understanding about how difficult life could be, and how otherwise this is a land of opportunity for anyone of any color, let's say it were true. | |
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In The Scheme of Things
00:00:46
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| There are cops who will stop black drivers sooner than other drivers. | |
| I really do believe that I would say, big deal. | |
| If that's all I suffer, essentially, in America, because I'm black or because I'm whatever, it's not right. | |
| But you know what? | |
| In the scheme of things, I'm very lucky to be here. | |
| Well, it's why people don't leave the country. | |
| Because however you feel unfairly treated, black people stay in America. | |
| Dennis, years ago... | |
| All right, hold on. | |
| We've got to take a break. | |
| I want to remind everybody, UncleTom.com. | |
| It rhymes. | |