Pearl Davis and Tommy Lauren clash over feminism’s role in modern dating, with Davis citing 74% female-initiated divorces, $200K legal fees, and men’s "deaths of despair" (suicide/overdose rates three times higher) as proof of systemic male disadvantage. She mocks TradCon feminists for blaming soy or seed oils while ignoring women’s preference for high-status partners, contrasting it with conservative male Twitter’s hypocritical backlash against female critics like Lauren. Davis dismisses "having it all" claims, noting daycare horror stories (soiled diapers, abuse) and parenting’s trade-offs, while Tommy jokes about their own move’s potential marital fate. The debate reveals deep skepticism of both government mandates—like post-Roe abortion policies—and cultural shifts, questioning whether intent or societal pressure truly shapes relationships. [Automatically generated summary]
Of a dozen women being asked the following question.
Do we need men?
Most answered very quickly, no, because men are useless.
This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.
Most young men are single.
Most young women are not.
Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America over the last 40 years.
It's a different world now.
Like, we don't need men the way that they used to.
The future is female.
Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it.
A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
You've kind of got the Trad COD versus Red Pill thing.
This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.
Oh, you need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.
Marriage is a bond and it's a sacred bond.
It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.
Now many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.
Hannah Pearl Davis or just pearly things.
One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.
She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.
Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.
Gee, what could go wrong there?
74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.
Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.
Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.
I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.
Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.
You need no evidence.
When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for, and you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.
I interviewed them on the other side.
I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.
How much did you spend trying to get him back?
The legal fees alone was about $200,000.
Before you know it, you're homeless.
You're literally just thrown out into the street.
We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.
Wives are taught to leave their husbands and then daughters grow up without their fathers.
Family is the foundation of society.
Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.
A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.
Feminism's biggest failures is it lies to women.
We tell women to date as many guys as possible.
We tell them to put off family into marriage.
You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.
You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.
Oh, freeze your ex, have an abortion.
What?
You're evil.
I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.
Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic, naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.
It's self-sabotage.
And that's the thing.
Like women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.
This is not about happiness.
The most important thing is the children.
And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings, leave when I feel like it, instead of doing what's best for the kids.
This myth that we live in an age of male privilege.
Where's my male privilege?
They think, well, men have all the rights.
They have all the power.
Privilege patriarchal system that we have.
Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?
I have no friends, no wife, and no social action.
Men are alone in this situation.
Men are homeless.
Men are thinking about eating guns.
I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
Women are helplessly dependent upon men.
The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose, or alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
Culture is telling men, you are no good.
You gotta get your act together.
I think men have failed themselves.
What kind of a man are you?
What kind of a woman are you going to attract?
If men are in trouble, so are women.
Everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it.
Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man.
500K, 500, 300K, 300k, 200K.
Am I crazy?
Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man.
If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.
So, you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
Women.
I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.
I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.
I'm over it.
When is it going to be my turn?
Where are we meeting the men that don't?
I can't keep having these same conversations.
The only simp here is you, Pearl.
You simp for women.
I think you simp for women.
She's a provocateur.
She says stupid stuff, but Pearl is right about this.
It's already happening.
It's just not out in the open yet.
Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.
The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.
Civilization will crumble.
The American story does not end well.
This is an existential crisis failing young men.
What up, guys?
Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
Today we're going to be reacting to Tommy Lauren.
But if you want, that was a trailer for our divorce documentary.
We are currently trying to raise $100,000 for an order to finish.
I have been demonetized.
I lost probably seven or eight TikToks, three Instagram.
They really do not want me to finish this documentary.
I'm going to show you the fundraiser page.
So the link to it's in the description.
It's a GoFundMe.
I want to say shout out to the most recent person that donated, Eric, $200 donation.
We appreciate it.
So far, we have raised $31,642.
So maybe in the next month, we can get it to $40K and we can get closer to our goal of $100K.
The reason I want to raise $100 is because I want to have six months to a year salary saved up when we hire the new team so we don't run out of cash along the way.
So, anyways, guys, if you can donate, please.
We're going to go through some changes in the channel soon.
So, we do have some announcements, but I'm going to stay ambiguous for now.
Okay, so today we're reacting to Tommy Lauren, TradCon feminist with super simp Michael Knowles.
So, as you guys know, to some degree, all women are feminists.
And the reason all women are feminists is because all women are trying to implement their mating strategy.
Now, women's mating strategy is to use as much of our youth as possible on ourselves and not our husbands.
And the men's mating strategy is to get young, hot women to be with them and use their youth on them.
So, our mating strategies are at odds, right?
Because men want unlimited access to unlimited sexuality, and women want guys with unlimited access to unlimited sexuality to settle down.
So, women's dream is to finally be the woman that settles down with Leonardo DiCaprio.
And men's dream is a bunch of hot eight pluses that are 19-year-olds.
Why do you think the Muslim pro the Muslims promise virgins, right?
They're like, Yeah, if you do all this, you're gonna get a bunch of virgin women.
And the men are like, Let me do it.
Let me do it.
Let's do it.
So, and the reason is, you know, I think they get like a thousand virgins.
I'm not that religious.
I don't really know.
But, um, but, anyways, my biggest problem with the religious people is they're religious until they're not.
And as someone who's a consumer of Daily Wire content for years, they've just really disappointed me.
They really have.
Michael Knowles, I went on his show, and he's just a super simp.
Do you know what I mean?
He just simps for women, and he's constantly bending the truth to appease women.
He's constantly giving women the benefit of the doubt, even though we're kind of liars pretty much all the time, 24-7.
But he's still just like, believe women all the time.
If she says she's a virgin and not ran through, just believe her, marry her anyway.
No prenup, no nothing.
So, anyways, he has a conversation with Tommy Lauren.
And this is the typical dynamic in churches.
Some TradCon feminist woman and some guy appeasing her.
Usually, what happens is the guys just don't have a lot of experience with women, so they just, you know, they super simp out.
So anyways, we're going to continue.
Welcome to Yes or No, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better.
My guest today, a woman.
Now, my issue is a lot of these people use the religion for clout.
So, look, I can't speculate if you're religious or if you're not religious, but religious people don't magically become religious when they're on camera.
It's generally my view.
And you got the girl with the fake hair, a lot of makeup.
Okay.
Who needs no introduction?
Tommy Lauren.
How do we play?
Sliding is not doing her any favors.
I will ask Tommy a yes or no question.
She will select her answer away from my prying eyes.
Then I'll guess how she answered.
If I guess correctly, I get a point.
If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.
No matter what, I'll probably end up drinking.
Then it's Tommy's turn.
Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.
Whoever has the most points at the end wins.
The stakes could be higher.
Let's get started.
Tommy, thank you for being here.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited about this.
I didn't know there would be cards and a board game involved.
And booze.
But you have an unfair advantage over me.
Yeah.
You're having water.
I'm having water, staying hydrated.
Why are you having water for this game?
Well, it's a Tuesday at two.
And I'll be driving.
Didn't stop me.
I was chugging.
De Brett would.
Hold on.
You're going to tell on me to the whole audience out there.
That's all right.
And I'm boozing at work.
Sometimes we've had to film this at like nine o'clock in the morning.
Let me get through the semantics, don't you?
At first glance.
That's fine with me.
That gives me an advantage.
If you go in underestimating me, I would prefer that, right?
But I always see a blonde.
Yeah.
Not in New York.
Blondes there, any variation of blonde.
Do most men assume blondes are less intelligent than brunettes?
Well, I would say yes.
It's because it's because if you're blonde, you're probably investing money in your looks because you have to pay a bunch of money in order to get that.
So you're clearly making less money off of your brains if you have to dye your hair blonde, you know.
that's my thought.
I said yes.
And I answered that you said yes.
You said yes.
Okay, Tommy got it right.
And I have to drink.
I do think that men think rightly or wrongly.
They assume that if a girl is blonde, she's less smart.
And I don't think it's about the blonde so much as the brunette.
Brunette gives to me an aura of bookishness.
Okay.
Is that fair?
Or is it a terrible prejudice?
I would think, because when I, I'll tell you this: I go to New York and I don't see any blondes there, any variation of blondes there.
I see a lot of darker-haired women there.
And I'm not talking about the model scene.
I'm talking about your everyday people.
Okay.
I don't see a lot of blondes.
And for me, my perspective, when I go there, it's completely different than in Nashville or Dallas or even California, where you have a mix of both, but you're going to see a blonde.
You know, pretty good chance you're going to see a blonde.
Not in New York.
And to me, when I see a lot of brunettes, I don't assume that they are more intelligent, but they just don't seem like they're having as much fun.
And I know that that's, again, that's a cliche.
They seem maybe more serious.
I don't think it means that you're smarter.
I just think it means that you take yourself maybe a little bit too seriously.
Now, these are.
I just think you're monetizing your looks more.
I don't care about this question.
Okay, what do we got next?
There's a part where they talk about marriage, so I want to get to that.
Does this finally make the WNBA bearable to watch?
I don't care.
And by the way, if this goes, if this ends earlier than I thought it would, because I thought this was going to all be, then I'm probably going to go to the Michael Knowles debate that he had with the other, you know, the Trad wives and Emily.
I don't see him that well.
I was seeing the reaction of all the Dems.
And he got out there and it was one note the whole time.
It was just revolution and we have the same religion.
And John Adams said, he said, the principles of Christianity are the principles on which independence was won.
John Adams was not an Orthodox Christian by any chance, any stretch.
RFK Jr.
Okay, here we go.
This is the questions I want.
Okay, here we are, these topics.
Rise of stay-at-home sons will only be fixed if RFK Jr. bans soy and other Okay, so there's this idea that there's something wrong with stay-at-home sons and look I can just speak to what I see interviewing people and in the real world most of the stay-at-home sons I know are just guys saving money They don't they get along with their parents.
They don't see the point I know stay-at-home sons that have enough money for rent You know, they're just trying to get something done or ubering or you know or sorry, they have enough money to buy a house.
I know some you know it's not necessarily that they have an issue with their money or their losers or anything.
They just, you know, they're saving money on rent.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
And here's the thing.
The other issue you have is a lot of men are preparing to not have a family because they don't see it in their future.
It's not likely it's going to happen for them.
But they're not going to have that conversation.
They're not going to be honest about what's going on.
They're just going to find a way to blame the men, as usual.
Per use.
They're seed oils.
What does Tommy think about that?
I got it wrong?
What do you mean I got it wrong?
How did I get it wrong?
What do you mean?
No, hold on.
That would mean that that condition would be necessary but not sufficient.
So I'm not, I'm not, we should have cleared this out before.
It's not to say that RFK Jr. banning soy and seed oils would fix the problem.
Okay.
It's to say the problem would not be fixed if RFK does not ban soy and seed oils.
Does that change your answer?
I don't think seed oils matter that much.
Look.
I'm going to do a before and after one day.
You're not going to believe how skinny I get.
You guys aren't.
But I've been waiting because I want to get to the point I want to get to you before I show you how much thinner I am.
I used to be kind of chunky.
And anyways, long story short, I've experimented a lot with diet in the past few years.
And I did not find a difference with seed oils.
I didn't.
I found the biggest difference in cutting sugar and cutting carbs.
That was pretty much it, increasing protein.
I don't think it's this big.
I'm sure it affects it some.
I don't think it's going to kill you.
Sure, no, I still lost.
So, again, the way that the question was worded, I'll just tell you my take on it.
It's poorly worded.
I agree.
It was Davies' fault.
Yes.
Tell you this.
The rise of stay-at-home sons is not going to be solved by banning certain food items, certain soys, nothing.
It's a cultural problem.
You have to address the cultural issues.
There's nothing that you can ban as far as consumption that's going to fix that.
That's what if you banned pot, corn, and this is alliterative.
What's a third P, and playthings like Legos.
I don't know what they do.
These kind of the man children.
What if you banned all that stuff?
Fuck you guys.
Seriously.
Can you imagine?
Like, this is the most out of touch thing I've ever heard.
You guys are commentators.
You have no idea what the average man goes through.
You know, I was just talking to my cousin the other day who literally lays concrete.
And okay, if he wants to play video games or Legos or whatever the hell after work, who are you to tell them what they can and can't do?
I mean, this is just an elitist conversation.
Screw you.
Stuff.
Yeah, okay.
What if you banned all of that?
That would help, wouldn't it?
If you got, frankly, just porn.
If you got rid of porn, I think you would go 40% toward fixing the problem.
Yeah, okay.
But then why don't we, if we're going to ban corn, why don't we ban old marriage?
Women, if you don't get married by 23, if you don't find a guy and get married by 23, I'm not even saying 18.
You know, my grandma got married by 18.
I'm giving them an extra five years to F around.
You can even have a whole college ho phase and go get married, but you got till 23.
If you're gonna ban corn, then ban women not using their youth on their husbands because the whole issue is there's men getting iced at sex is a need for men.
Religion doesn't treat it like a need, but the same part of your brain that lights up when food, it's the same part that like sex is a need, especially for men.
And they don't treat it like one.
And they constantly make men feel guilty and shame the male sex drive.
It's a manipulation tool.
And they've used it for all of history because they knew they can control men with sex.
Yeah, there's a construction worker in the chat.
I mean, who are these commentators?
We have such soft lives.
And I don't say this to brag.
It's not really fair.
But I love, I love, I love doing this.
I love it.
It's so much fun.
It's so fun.
Like, who would I?
You guys are the only people I could talk to for two hours straight and you listen.
I love, I love it.
But to act like I am close to a construction worker or I would even put to any of the men that do the hard jobs that keep this country going.
Hell no, none of you are.
So for you to tell men, like, who are you to tell men what they can and can't do?
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Don't get too skinny, Pearl.
Fuck you.
I'll get as thin as I want to get.
Sorry.
I'm just, I'm dropping F-bombs today.
This isn't good for me.
This isn't.
I need to be like more.
I got to stop dropping F-bombs.
It's just not a good look for me.
It's really not.
Sorry, guys.
It just, yeah.
I don't know, this new generation, though.
I don't know if that's their thing.
I don't know.
They all think they work so hard.
Now, I'm not going to say that it's not competitive.
It's very competitive.
Why do you think she's in such good shape?
Why do you think she's got the Botox, the hair?
Because we're all competing, right?
That's why we're, you know, they all dress very nice, whatever.
But let's just be real here.
No, I'm not on no Zempic.
Whatever.
Let's just be honest here and call it for what it is.
We have soft lives.
We do.
Okay.
That's what gets them going.
Honestly, I think laziness does.
I think laziness.
Oh my God.
I give her to me.
Who are you to talk about laziness, Tommy?
Who are you?
You're a fucking commentator.
You wouldn't be where you are if you weren't a pretty blonde girl.
You're not in the position you are because you're overly intelligent.
You don't know stuff more than the men.
You're not that intelligent.
You're not that good of a debater.
You just have a bunch of followers because conservative men want to have sex with you.
That's it.
That's it.
And because you've lived a whole life of delusion where you think you're in the position you are because you're smart and not pretty, that's why you're in the position you're in.
So you have no right to call men lazy.
You don't.
You have no right.
Go work construction.
Go work, go work an infrastructure job and come back to me.
Fuels a lot of the reason that they want to stay home.
They don't want to achieve necessarily.
And I'm not talking again.
This is my biggest pet peeve.
There are some conservative men in our space that when I say those things, they go, you hate men.
Okay.
Calm down, Chads.
No, what I'm saying is we have a cultural problem in which some young men, especially the generations that are coming up now, the alphas, the Gen Zs, right?
There are a significant amount that do not want to achieve, attain.
They don't want to be exceptional.
They don't want to be masculine.
They don't want to be leaders of family and household.
I think that's a problem.
Yeah, because what do they get in return?
They get nothing.
They get like a Botoxed 32-year-old, you know?
I mean, just not what men generally like want.
Problem.
Now, I get eviscerated for this, but when I say that women don't have much to choose from, I'm not saying women are perfect.
So I'm glad that I get to clear this up.
We have plenty of cultural rot on the female side.
Trust and believe I agree with you.
I'm talking about women who uphold their end of the bargain that are looking for a man who is masculine, who wants to be leader of household.
They are not finding the same.
Now, what is she talking about?
She likes charming men, just like all women like charming, exciting men.
She's complaining that there aren't enough alphas and that the alphas that there are will not settle down.
That's what she's saying.
She's saying, I can't get alphas to settle down because look, Tommy was pretty hot back in the day.
She had access.
Come on, let's just, let's just do, like, we got to think through this stuff.
She had access to A-level celebrities.
She was on big shows.
You don't think she got banged out by a few athletes?
You don't think she got banged out by a few conservative commentators at Fox?
Like, let's just balance the probabilities, assume, okay?
That's what she's mad about is that she's like a six and she got access to eights and nines, and you have to be a really good six to have a shot with them.
And in general, you know, a lot of men aren't going to compromise on looks.
They're not.
If you like the men that I know that get laid a lot and have access to a lot of women, they do not compromise on looks.
They're not going to.
They've worked their whole life to get to this point.
They are not going to come home with a mid.
They're not going to do it.
Swath that maybe they once could because it doesn't exist.
Okay, so then how do you let's say so?
The men don't want the women because they say the women are all promiscuous.
Pearl, you're being mean.
I don't care.
I really don't care.
Stop simping out for Tommy.
Like, come on.
US and gold diggers.
And the women don't want the men because they say they're all man children and they're degenerate and they're mommy's boys.
So you have this problem.
You have a game of chicken and neither side is going to budge.
So then how do you solve the problem?
You can't.
You can't.
And you guys wouldn't know how to anyway.
Okay.
It's a cultural problem.
How do you fix the culture?
Well, little by little.
I think that the mega movement has done a lot.
Who's in charge of the culture?
It's women.
Women are the ones, we don't shut up.
We're in charge of the culture.
We're the ones that pass on the culture.
It's not men.
Men don't have time for that.
They're working.
For young men.
I think the mega movement has done a lot to inspire young men to want to be leader of household, to be a provider, to be a state.
Yeah, I can solve it.
Come on.
Bull man.
I think it's done a lot.
Now we've got a ways to go.
Yeah.
And I don't think, by the way, that women are blameless in this.
I think mothers might be a big part of the problem.
You're over-mothering.
Some people go, oh, you don't blame women.
No, I do.
I blame mothers.
I blame mothers.
I blame mothers who caught.
I agree with that.
Well, their sons.
Yeah, I've seen men of these generations ruined, ruined by over-mothering.
And I love, look, I love my mother.
I'm a good Italian boy.
I love my mother.
I love my grandmothers.
But I have seen how it can go.
Truly, if you said, pick the one thing that ruined that kid, I would say the mother was too indulgent.
Hit the like button, y'all.
Hit the like button.
Thank you.
Wow.
I think it's a problem.
Now, again, every time I say this, the men on conservative Twitter come after me.
Oh, she's a feminist.
She's a covert.
Pearl Reid, banned TikTok, Instagram, and all the social media apps where whores melt their brain.
That's a good solution.
But they would never let that happen because they all make money off of women on social media.
Social media is 10 times more destructive to women than corn is to men.
Bert feminist.
I don't understand what's feminist saying.
Listen, I think Republicans are the new feminists because we're the only ones that stand up for women's sports and spaces.
I'm not the I don't care about women's sports and I played them for 20 years.
I had a tournament where men were playing in it and I was one of the women that said something.
And guess what?
Nobody cared.
All the women crucified me for saying something.
Leftist definition of a feminist.
I would say I'm not a feminist.
I would say I'm not a feminist at all.
I think feminism is wrong.
They used to do this thing where they'd say, I like the second wave, but not the third wave, or I like the first wave, but not the, but I think it's all wrong.
Mary Wollstonecraft, totally wrong.
Because it seems to me feminism says men and women are basically the same.
Anything you can do, I can do equally.
But I don't think that's true.
I think men and women are different.
I think there's some things women do, I can't do.
Some things I can do.
Like what?
Like what?
Come on.
Top Michelin chefs are women, or men.
Top Michelin chefs are men.
Single fathers raise better kids than single mothers.
What?
What can men do?
What can men not do?
What?
Women generally can't do.
And we are complimentary.
It's just a different view of human nature.
But you're fairly traditional.
I mean, you're famous and everything go on TV.
Bruh.
I'm not traditional.
She's not traditional.
Brett Cooper is not traditional.
No.
None of these women are traditional because they have big social media followings.
You cannot have one and be that.
You can't.
But you hold to generally traditional views of men and women.
Right.
So you're not, you wouldn't say you're a feminist, or would you?
I would say, in the, like I said, I think that Republicans are hijacking feminism the way that the left hijacked rainbows and our sports.
And I think that Republicans and conservatives are taking it back because to me, a feminist in 2025 means somebody who stands up for women's sports and spaces.
So that to me, if that's how I'm defining it, which is, again, I'm saying we're taking it over, then yes, I am.
Now, here is where I sometimes buttheads with some of the, like I say, conservative Twitter, male conservative Twitter, right?
I don't believe that women should inherently make less, stay at home, live to be mothers.
That's the extent of your personality, persona, identity.
I don't believe.
But if a mother wants to do that, you'd be fine.
I believe in everybody being able to do what they want to do, as long as it doesn't negatively impact society at large, right?
So that's my conservative.
But it is impacting society at large because the birth rate's falling.
To me, it's a little libertarian.
Doesn't it like the kids we were just talking about, the boys living in their mother's basement, they're doing what they want to do.
Right.
So they say.
They want to play video games, eat potatoes, eat chicken nuggets.
They want to.
And women want to get gangbanged by Tyrone, Chad, and Daquan.
And Brad.
Gavin, the star.
You know what I mean?
It's just like that doesn't harm anybody.
So, but we're going to nag on men about video games, truly, really?
It is.
Ostensibly, it's not impacting society at large, but it is.
Look, Brett Cooper could call in any time.
But I'm not going to call her traditional.
I'm really not.
Bro.
If she wasn't a virgin on her wedding day, you simps can believe that.
I don't.
Like, we got to get through this.
She went to a big college.
Don't believe you.
I don't.
Like, women who are groupthink creatures.
You magically, like, bro, come on.
But you can call in any time.
It's not personal.
I met her once at the Daily Wire.
Briefly.
Anyways.
Because you got all these men who should be acting like men out of the dating pool.
So now the women are saying, well, I got to pick from a bunch of losers and I want that.
And then no one's having kids and society crumbles.
So in a way.
I don't think I've ever been on a date with a guy that was a street loser.
They always have something going for them.
I should have Brett Cooper and Tommy Lauren on together.
They're not going to come on my show.
Come on.
Come on.
It's like there's almost no way to have a private sin.
Pearl looks down on everybody.
Well, to look down, I would have to think I'm better.
I don't claim to be anything.
Okay.
I'm a bad woman.
Bad.
So look, I got nothing.
But what you're not going to do is you're not going to cosplay and make me believe it.
I don't have to believe it.
All right.
Because it's all affecting society.
So then we don't want them to just do that.
We want them to be men.
We want them to flourish.
And we want the women to have the giga chats that they can marry.
And then the women are like really good.
But so, doesn't, if you left women up to their devices, wouldn't most of them prefer to stay home, raise kids, get married?
No.
Because if they did, they would.
Women don't want to be mothers.
Women want to be free from motherhood.
That's what women have fought for.
The number one issue, if women wanted to be mothers so bad, then why are they killing their children?
The only people that women want to be mothers to is Chad.
Chad, Tyrone, Gavin, whatever.
They do not want to be mothers to an average man.
They don't.
Overworking in a corporate job.
I would disagree with that.
You don't think so?
No.
You think they would take the corporate job?
Not everyone.
I think that it would be a pretty 50-50 split.
Yeah.
For me, and again, they're going to eviscerate me for this.
You're a little different.
Just get ready.
Just get ready for it.
Okay.
I personally am not somebody who has grown up like I'm born to be a mother and a wife, and that is my goal.
No.
Sorry.
That has never been me.
And conservative male Twitter be damned.
I don't care if you don't.
And that's why, because conservative male Twitter is losing their mating strategy.
Because that's a normal guy's wife.
That's what she should look like.
And she's saying, I want to spend my youth on myself.
And that pisses men off.
They're like, hey, I mean, we run society.
Can't you spend your youth on us?
And she says, no.
Why did Tommy Lauren's, why does Tommy Lauren get schooled for being a covert feminist, but not Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Michael Knowles when they share the same message?
I don't know if you've watched my streams.
I've gone over all of them.
I wonder why, though, he didn't.
I'm trying to think.
I've seen people push back on Candace Owens.
She just got cooked in that.
You can't say Candace Owens doesn't get the same cook it like because they just cooked her in that Jubilee debate.
Michael Knowles does not get called out.
I did give him a nomination for Simp of the Year.
Charlie Kirk, I don't see as much.
Yeah, I would agree with you.
I would put the pushback goes the women first because, again, the men, like they're losing their mating strategy to get women to spend youth on them.
So when women don't do it, they get, you know, they're going to get the most pushback.
Like that.
But aren't you, we're both friends with a lot of women who go on TV and who are politicians and who are, you know, big fans.
But you would admit, and I'm, you know, I'm very close friends with many such women.
You're the exception, not the rule.
You write.
You disagree.
I disagree with you.
Like I said, I think if you asked women, would you rather be a stay-at-home mom or would you rather be saying an executive, but would you rather exist in the business world?
And I'm not saying that that means that if you exist in the business world, that you're childless and unmarried.
Yeah, yeah.
I think you can have it all.
I'm one of those people that so I thought about this.
Can you have it all?
Kind of, yeah.
Because men keep inventing things to do our job for us.
Do you know what I mean?
I was thinking about this.
I'm like, they have invented work from home jobs.
Like they got laptops, internet, they got Roombas and air fryers.
You could be a teacher.
And now we have daycare.
And I thought about this.
And I'm like, do you know what?
They're not even wrong to some degree because you kind of can have it all because the men keep inventing things to do our jobs for us.
Truly.
Truly.
At all.
I do believe that you can.
You can have someone else raise your kids and go to work.
Yeah, that's what they do.
Yeah.
18 to 24-year-old women don't want to be stay-at-home moms.
It's true.
And you just said, not an executive, not a superstar, Tommy Lauren, goes on TV.
Everyone knows your name.
You're a middle manager at the Widget Factory, and you do spreadsheets and stuff like that.
You make a decent salary, but not a ton.
And you have a few kids.
And your husband's working too.
You gotta, either you're gonna stay home with your kid or you're gonna put your kid in daycare.
Plenty of women put their kids in daycare, but you can't totally have it all.
Can you?
You can't be Donna Reid and Margaret Thatcher.
I disagree with you.
Okay.
I guess I do.
I'm not saying it's not challenging.
I think it can be done.
Not everybody wants that light.
There's only so many hours in the day.
Right.
Could you stay up all night with a kid?
Let's say you got three kids running around.
You know, you're waking up constantly.
One to two, you probably could.
But somebody's got to watch them between 2:30 and like 6 is what I'm thinking.
I mean, yeah, look, I'm not saying you should.
I'm just saying could.
You got to have help.
Basically, they're saying, I want a nanny to watch my kid.
That's what they're saying.
They love nannies.
You're cooking the stew on the pot.
You've got all this stuff.
And then you have to be up because Fox and Friends is at 6 a.m. on the West Coast.
Or their husbands do it for them.
That's the other one.
And you've got to be up.
You've had one hour sleep.
Now, maybe, look, you could say, I wake up.
I'm camera ready.
I'm good.
But it would be.
Yeah, it would be difficult.
It would be very hard.
Yeah, that level would not be sustainable.
But if you work to your full potential, you can afford to have help.
Now, some people are like, oh, I can't have a nanny.
Oh, that's so awful.
I disagree with that.
I believe that if you attain a certain level of success, to have a nanny.
Right.
I grew up going to daycare, right?
I grew up in a day.
I had both parents working.
I'm very middle America, middle class.
Both my parents worked.
I went to daycare.
When I was old enough, I stayed home alone.
I loved my upbringing.
I do not resent my mom for not staying home with me.
But you, I guess the only point I make, because I agree.
That was my upbringing, too.
But I'm just saying.
I want to see.
My sister's in daycare.
I'm going to see if she answers.
I'm going to play this, but I have a question about daycare.
let's see if she answers hey um i'm on the show but i have a daycare question um so
So what is the average, like, how long are the kids usually at daycare?
Like, is there, like, when do parents usually pick up their kids?
What time?
My daycare closes at 5.30, so usually between like 4.45 and 5.30.
Okay.
And what time do the kids get there usually?
Between, I don't really know the earliest because I'm not there early in the morning.
But when I get there at 8, more than half the kids are there.
And are they, what ages are they?
Um six weeks to six years.
Okay.
So it's really so it's just between six weeks and six years.
Yeah, babies tend to be dropped off closer to like 8 to 8.30.
But yeah, like once they hit one, it tends to be before 8 a.m.
Or like a little bit after.
Like usually if a kid's not there by 9, we assume they're not coming.
Well, what time?
What age do they go to school at?
Six.
Oh.
The six-year-olds who are at the daycare are either they just turned six and they're waiting for school to start or they're there for the summer.
Oh, I thought it was like pre-K.
No, my daycares do pre-K.
High school does pre-K and preschool.
Do they learn anything in pre-K?
Oh my god, yeah.
Really?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, the teachers there, you have to be teacher qualified to be there.
Like, I know some kids that are in the preschool who can read basic books and write.
I was just wondering if past six they ever like, like, what do parents do if the moms get off at five?
Like, like, if they, because what do kids get out of school at, like, two or three?
Yeah, like, I got, I, in high school, I got out of school at 2.50.
What do you think most like working moms do?
Because we had nannies, but, like, people that didn't have nannies, like, what did they do with the two?
They're in after-school care programs.
Oh, so they do, like, an after-school program for, like, two hours.
And then, like, I did an after-school program for like a month or two.
Okay.
Like, on average, how, like, what age do the kids come in?
Probably around toddlers, so between 12 and like 20 months.
Okay.
There's some that come into infants, but infants, like, it'll cost you upwards of two grand a month to have your kid in an infant.
So a lot of people can't afford that.
And so they don't do it until toddlers when it hits down closer to $1,500.
Do the kids have like attachment issues from being away from their parents and stuff?
Like, do you think daycare is bad for them or no?
I mean, I know you're a little biased as a daycare worker, but.
No, I think daycare is terrible.
I would never put my kid in daycare.
Never.
I would never even consider it.
Absolutely not.
My kids will never set foot in a daycare.
Why?
Because you don't know what happened there.
I've worked in daycare two years, and I've seen kids get left in soiled diapers.
I've seen kids get their arms dislocated, get hit, get fed things like dead flies.
I've seen kids get left outside by themselves, left in classrooms by themselves.
Just the other day, one of my coworkers didn't do a snake check.
Like, we're supposed to walk around the playground and hit the fence with a stick to make sure there's no snakes.
She didn't do a snake check, and a one-year-old almost got bit by a rattlesnake.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh.
And like, I'll give my daycare credit.
sent them home and wrote them both up but yeah it's yeah they could be anybody because it's not like what are the average like what are daycare workers like Because you're a young, a young woman.
most are most of the daycare workers young women or most of the daycare workers are either like girls in college or middle-aged women who are divorced from their husbands and work in daycare oh the girls in college can be nuts too could be anybody you know what i mean like you don't know who like if if someone's crazy a girl in college might not have like a record yet if she's nuts Like, do you know what I mean?
If she's 40, if she's off the chain, she'll probably have some sort of record.
Most of the older women in daycare are divorced.
I can say that.
I would say one out of five are still married.
Oof.
And all of them say that their ex-husbands are crazy or their baby daddies or whatever.
That's what they say.
Oh, I know.
I know.
Okay, I was just wondering.
I was watching this reaction and they were saying how women can have it all.
And I was wondering if you did have a working mother, how long could she watch her kids until they're put in school?
Like, that's what I was wondering.
Like, how long, how long does she have to watch them full-time?
Until they're five or six.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
It depends.
Like, you don't, you don't have to put your kid in kindergarten, first grade as much as required.
But do you think they'd be behind if you didn't put them in kindergarten or whatever?
If you're not doing anything at home, yes.
But it's not that hard to do shit at home.
Okay.
You don't really need to start teaching them until they're like three.
Like, actually start teaching them like colors and stuff.
And in your experience, do you think, like, because you watch so many kids, do you think like a woman could have a work-from-job home and still be an involved parent?
Like a work-from-home, like a marketing job or something like that?
Yeah.
It's not that hard.
Absolutely.
If you teach your kids to independent play, it's really not that hard.
No, like, I just spent, I just spent the past like two days with just Piper, hanging out with Piper and taking care of her.
It's so easy to have one kid.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, my sister watches like, how many do you watch at once?
It depends on the age group, but kids Piper ages, I do five at once.
Okay.
All right, my computer just crashed out.
I don't know why.
Doug MPA, can you give me the time stamp?
Because if you look, scroll back before I clicked play on accident.
Okay, well, thanks.
Thanks, E.
I just, I was curious what you would say.
I may call you again if I have more daycare questions.
No, I talk about daycare a lot.
I think it's terrible for kids.
Okay, well, don't say that with your face ever because I don't want you to get fired.
All right.
All right.
See ya.
Bye.
Have fun.
Okay.
Where was I?
This thing just crashed out for a second.
No.
Oh, 27, 24.
Okay, thank you.
All right.
Well, that's my, there's my, um, I, you know, my sister watches so many babies and like kids and stuff.
I was like, she could tell you.
Teaching starts from day one, not at three years old.
Because I agree.
That was my upbringing, too.
But I'm just saying, that was one experience.
And the other experience is, you know, mommies come, you know, you come home and she's got brownies and whatever does that thing.
They're just different experiences.
Yeah.
Meaning you can't do them both at the same time.
You can't be baking brownies while you're taking the business call to do the merger and acquisition.
Oh, I think you can.
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You can always just tell what a woman's focus is on.
You just can tell.
They have put the score into the prompter.
Okay.
I think I'm crushing you.
You're destroying me with facts and logic.
It is, and drinks.
It is three to negative one.
Okay.
I've got negative points.
All right.
Now I have a chance to recoup my losses because it is the rapid fire round.
All right.
It's the rapid fire round.
There we go.
Okay, thank you.
You're going to read, and I'm going to answer.
Rapid fire.
Are you worried that eventually a new study will say Zen is poison and possibly makes you gay?
I'm going right down the list.
Okay, so the first one, then I answer, then you guess how I would answer.
Hold up, hold on.
I want to change my answer.
I want to change my answer.
You know what?
One thing I'll never do that I can't stand that mothers do today.
I will never use my children to prove I'm a good person.
I hate it when commentators do that.
I hate it.
Look at my actions can speak for themselves.
A lot of people think I'm a bad person.
It just is what it is.
If that's my action, if that's the conclusion you have, it's totally fine.
Some others think I'm a great person.
Well, if that's the conclusion you have, you know, I mean, I just, I don't like, maybe I'm getting too like Zen and stuff, you know.
But this time in my life, I've just, I don't like focusing on being good or bad because I don't want the ego boost or downfall of being good or bad.
It doesn't worse than someone that thinks they're a good person or even a bad person.
I'm just, you know.
Sorry, maybe I think too deep, but I don't like labels, you know.
It's just, you know.
Correct.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm not worried because I know that that's happening will come out.
I'm confident of it.
Okay.
Okay, we'll clear it.
Yes.
Clear it out.
All right.
Are Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey end game?
What do I think?
It's tough because obviously Taylor Swift has dumped all of her boyfriends and whatever.
But I could see it.
I do think this is the most alpha guy she's been with because it's like a football player or whatever.
And before it was like more feminine musicians, I think he's like more traditionally masculine.
For the end game?
Oh, like together.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Come on.
They wouldn't, even if it were all scripted, you can't break up now.
It's not.
They have too many fake outs.
All right.
Another point for me.
Does a woman's body count matter if she has truly changed her ways?
Yup.
Oh, Michael, if you simp out, I'm going to crash out.
It's a very difficult question, actually.
It's not difficult at all.
Look, if she has herpes, yeah.
Fuck yeah.
If it was on camera, yup.
That affects your future.
If no one will ever find out and she has no patterns of behavior that from it, I guess it doesn't matter because if he doesn't find out, it won't matter.
I don't know if you guys understand what I'm saying.
I'm not saying like it shouldn't matter, but if she has no patterns of behavior from it, which she probably will, and she never does it again, well, then he'll never find out.
And there's no remnants that he could find out, then it doesn't matter.
But that usually doesn't happen.
It usually ends with like a herpes or something.
Yeah, it matters.
It doesn't matter ultimately.
Yeah, you didn't matter.
You're completely destroying it.
It matters.
Like it matters because there are temporal effects owing to sin, even sins that are already forgiven.
So like I feel like I have views on this that irritate people for opposite reasons because I think like ultimately, no, you can just repent.
Everyone can repent and it's good.
The older I get, the less religious I get.
that's because religious people just say the dumbest stuff that doesn't work like okay i'm gonna keep it's men like him that keep me going down the irreligious path And please don't Bible thunt to me because you're just going to make me go even further.
But like there are temporal effects owing to sin and habituations and things that like it does, it bothers people.
I think that's Islam protects women for a reason.
Well, I've seen your Muslim women.
I've talked to men from those countries.
They throw it back to, all right?
Women are women.
Think it should bother women, though?
Equally?
It should bother women, but not equally.
No, I think there is a double standard.
I think men and women are different.
So it's not a hypocrisy, but yeah, but men and women are different.
So like a guy, the reason that men, if they're Lotharios or Casanovas or something, are sometimes even admired for it, though they shouldn't be.
And the reason why women are looked on as promiscuous and kind of dirty for it is just because of the different natures of men and women.
Like a man pursues a woman, a woman.
Well, men have to ensure paternity.
Women is pursued.
And so it's, you know, it's more difficult for a man to sleep with other women.
It's easy for a woman to sleep with a lot of men.
And so the woman has to be on guard to protect her modesty, whereas the man, if he's going to be a Lothario, has to.
Pearl, will you marry me?
You got to stop simping.
Look, I want you guys to understand.
I want you to understand.
Influencers, people on YouTube, I want you to not trust me.
Don't trust.
I could be anybody.
Don't just, do you know what I mean?
Like, be like, oh, I don't know.
Do I believe her?
I don't know.
And the reason I say this is because why would you, like, like, why would you offer me that if you've never met me and you've never even watched my behavior in real life?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta stop putting women on a pedestal and make us earn it, all women.
You gotta treat all guns as loaded.
You're just gonna, you're just gonna hand that over.
Your eternal commitment, you're just gonna be like, oh, let me give that to a random redhead on the internet.
And I'm not even that.
I'm a mid.
I'm a mid.
Like, if you're gonna just hand that over, hand it over to an eight.
My God, what are you doing?
Also, there's a thousand, a thousand people in here.
Send a super.
Come on.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't work for free people.
All right.
I'm asking for the sale, damn it.
Try to chase the women.
That's my view, at least.
Okay.
You disagree.
I'm not necessarily saying that I disagree.
I would say I think it's also unattractive to date somebody who has a very high body count.
I find that unattractive.
Right.
And that stopped you from getting gangbanged by men at Fox.
I'm not saying she actually did that.
Don't sue me.
Don't sue me.
But come on.
You're not going to convince me she did not date a celebrity.
You're not, you're not, or at least sleep with one.
You're not.
I don't find it more acceptable.
But you don't think it's a little more like.
I understand your logic behind it.
Yeah.
But as a woman, I find it equally gross if a man has a high body count.
Yeah.
No, she doesn't.
Like if a guy, what if he changed his ways up?
Like a woman, it's not a deal breaker for me.
I don't think it should be either way, right?
I think you learn from your experiences.
I'll tell you this.
My husband was previously married.
I prefer that.
I prefer that.
I prefer that he's been married and divorced.
I prefer that.
Than if he had never been married before.
Correct.
Why?
Because he has a history of making stupid decisions.
She's like, if you're going to make one stupid decision, I can make you make another.
Men will die on the hill of simping.
And like, they will die on the hill of making a stupid decision.
They really will.
Society guilts them too hard into it.
They're like, oh, yeah, sign away your life to a pretty blonde girl.
Sure.
Let me just, here you go.
Well, because if I would have married my husband when he was 25, it would not have worked out.
He made all of his mistakes.
It would not have worked out.
I like that he has learned and grown.
And that to me is a plus.
Interesting.
So, not that I love it, but if I'm looking at it logically with emotions removed, I prefer that.
Now, let's say, okay, I totally get that.
And I see a fair bit of it.
Now, would he like it if I was previously married?
No, he sure would not.
He would not.
He would not.
No.
Now, do you think he's hypocritical for that stance?
Or no?
You would say no.
That's just how he is.
He's much more of a, more of a jealous type than I am.
Yeah.
So all men are.
That's part of what I'm saying.
All men are.
We don't like the idea of ever even imagining that our wives have ever looked at another man outside of perhaps her father and grandfather.
But it's just how the male mind works.
Now, your argument is you want the guy to have made the mistakes.
If he's going to make them, you want him to make the mistakes and learn from them and be ready.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
Just my experience in the dating market.
Once divorced men are, I found to be very big simps and they're just like dying.
Because what happens is, all right, men are young men, right?
They go into life and they want to get married for a life.
And every sign points to that's not going to happen.
But religious guys have a tendency to just, they cannot let the dream die.
They can't, they can't do it.
And a lot of religious guys, like when I was single, like, you know, that's who you would run into because, or I should say, like, if the guy got married young, a lot of times he would be religious to some extent.
So if I met a divorced guy, that may have been what it was.
Now, I'm sure there are men that after they get divorced, they just go in a whole phase or whatever.
But that was just not my experience.
Every guy I met that was divorced, it's like they want to marry you immediately.
They're like, let's get going tomorrow.
And it's like they're very desperate energy.
And what I found is the reason for this is because they don't want to let the dream die because they have to accept they are not going to get a wife.
Most people, like, we're all going to be single parents.
Statistically, me, you, look, and I'm a commentator.
I see what happens to commentator.
It doesn't, the relationships don't seem to go well for us.
But for some reason, I love this microphone.
I can't, I don't know.
But basically, though, what I'm saying is I found that once divorced, guys, especially the ones that remarry, are very simpy and kind of dumb.
It's like almost like they want to let a woman rule over them because they're desperate.
They're like, no, it's not marriage.
It's not my religion.
No, It's just the wrong woman.
It's not women in general.
It's just that.
Oh, oh, thank God.
I found a conservative girl.
Let me marry her immediately.
That was my experience.
It's like, no, vetting, no nothing.
You're not going to make me work for it at all.
Nothing.
Okay.
I noticed something.
Tommy's plastic surgery is wearing off, so to speak.
So she's looking more and more like pre-surgery for the grift.
Which Noel's interview is worse, this or Nala.
Nala.
It's got to be Nala.
Yeah.
For you.
But isn't it?
It'd be best if the person just didn't make a bunch of mistakes.
I don't think that's a human experience, to be honest with you.
I just don't.
I think men between the ages of 20 and 30 are not ready in most cases for marriage.
Yeah.
No, that's women.
She's projecting.
Most men would marry their high school sweetheart if she stuck around.
I think they are.
Now, there are exceptions.
My parents got married.
My mom was 19.
My dad was 21.
They've been together for 44 years.
Okay.
It works in some situations.
Yeah, because your mom wasn't giving up the option to be a celebrity.
Where women today, their option is like get married and give up being a celebrity.
And they feel like they missed out.
So that's the issue you get.
To your exception and rule analogy that you used earlier.
Again, I think that men between the ages of 20 and 30 are usually not ready to be husbands and fathers.
Yes.
No, broadly, I think you're right.
But isn't it a that's a culture?
As a person who is healing from I'm a bad injury, battering myself with Asperger syndrome.
I find help in your YouTube channel.
I was abused most of the worst was boss babes.
Thanks again.
Thanks, Patrick.
Thank you, guys.
You guys are so nice.
You guys work so hard and you still super chat me.
Thank you guys.
Thank you very much.
Control issue.
So, no, I would, I would actually, back to your point, I think it's a biological thing.
Well, then why did it work for your parents?
Exceptions and rules.
You think it was an exception in their because women had to make women love based on necessity.
And before the mother had to figure out, like, women hated the betas before.
Like, you basically, your burden of performance as a man is basically to figure out how savage you can be in, like, seducing women.
That's essentially your burden of performance is to be a master seducer in whatever way.
And the issue is that before, you didn't have to be a master seducer.
You didn't have to to get a wife.
I'm not saying this should be.
I'm saying this is what it is now.
Because women would just say, well, I have to survive, so I will figure out a way to love you.
But as soon as women could be with the seducers or the hot guys, women said, oh, fuck it.
I am not like, I am not doing that.
I don't believe women loved the betas of the past because I don't believe that women in mass acted like I don't think their hardware, their programming was different.
I just think the opportunities presented were different.
Okay, wait, let's see.
They're all until proven otherwise.
They're all horrors until they're proven otherwise-ish.
Yeah, and I want you to apply that to me.
Apply it.
Do you know what I mean?
You know, like, is why should I get your benefit of the doubt?
I shouldn't.
I shouldn't.
Why should I?
Personalities or in the time they grew up.
Meaning.
Time they grew up.
Yes.
Way they grew up.
That's what I'm saying.
Time grew up, way that they grew up.
That's all I mean by girl.
It's completely different.
I do feel, though, that at least operating in 2025.
Yes, yes.
Men between the ages of 20 and 30 are not ready for life's responsibility.
No, I think you're right about that.
But so, you know, the reason that our grandparents could all get married at 22 or whatever.
Yeah, I don't think so because all the old women dating young or younger getting the men to marry them, the older men are the ones that you're going to have a harder time.
But I found the divorced men between like 28 to 35, they were so ready to make that mistake twice.
They were so, they did not want to believe it was just like the wrong woman.
Yeah.
Most of the time it worked out.
The divorce rates were much lower.
Pearl's going to lose the weight and go to Cancun.
Have you seen how pale I am?
I wouldn't choose Cancun, all right?
And things were generally better.
Speaks to the fact that there was a culture that was more habituated to virtuous behavior, not vicious behavior.
So where I agree that, you know, I want to get the bad stuff out of my system, learn from my mistakes, change my ways, repent, usually in your 20s is kind of when it happens.
I had my fun, but you can't.
That's always what religious people say.
Ideally, you and your husband would have met.
You would have come up in a culture that wasn't as confused as 2025.
And you would have.
Every time they say culture, just substitute it with women.
Grew up with women that weren't as confused as they are in 2025.
Women are the culture.
Not been inclined toward all those mistakes that our culture inclines us toward.
I was kidding.
I'm already married.
I still love you.
Why, why do you, you don't, oh my.
Stop.
Oh, my God.
We are repulsed.
I am repulsed by the simping.
Bro.
Go to your local gym and hit on a baddie, all right?
Please.
304 until proven innocent.
That's fine.
That's fine.
And you would have gotten married at 22.
No.
No, I just.
You say no.
Why not?
That sounds great.
Yeah, because again, he's convincing her.
The male mating strategy is to get the youth to the husband.
The female mating strategy is to not give the youth to the husband.
Alphas don't compromise on their mating strategies.
Betas do.
Generally.
Or sometimes the men are just tired and they're like, fine, good enough.
They would have never wanted to get married at age 22.
22-year-old me and 32-year-old me are completely different human beings.
But I'm saying, yes, they are.
But I'm saying, what if you grew up in, you know.
She's saying, she's saying, I wanted to be a whore.
I wanted to hoe it out.
Yeah.
In 1943.
Well, then people would have been a World War III.
Do you think that some people, though, in that?
I just don't.
It doesn't matter.
I'm not alive in World War III.
I'm not alive then.
I can only live in the now.
The only evidence I have of what happened before is the evidence that I'm told in books or whatever.
I'd rather just live in the, you know, what I see in front of me.
Not just generation, but generations.
Yeah, if you're going to simp, donate a super chat.
Donate a super chat and you can simp and I'll allow it.
Yes, I would agree with you that marriage is long-lasting, more virtuous behavior.
However, how many of those marriages, should there have been a divorce and they were just too proud not to get it?
I'm totally opposed to divorce.
I'm totally opposed in all circumstances.
But I see your point.
Some of those marriages.
We all know that we all know certain grandparents that have been together for 60 years.
And they just will not be able to.
They probably shouldn't have made it past 10.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know a lot of those.
And it wouldn't happen in today's culture.
But when you say, 22-year-old Tommy and 30-year-old Tommy, you're totally different creatures, of course.
But and therefore 22-year-old Tommy shouldn't have married 23-year-old or whatever, your husband.
But why?
What was the difference?
Could there have been a world in which 22-year-old Tommy could have had all the success and all the great stuff, but also been excited and ready to get married?
No.
No.
I started, first of all, I started when I was 21.
So I started very young, but I was not ready at that time to settle down.
And I was not ready until I was 28 when I met my husband.
I was not ready to settle down.
It would not have worked because I didn't want that.
You were working too much?
No.
I did not want that.
I did not want to be locked down.
I did not want to be settled down.
That's what I'm saying.
Why not?
That just wasn't what I wanted.
She wanted access to alphas.
From your experience, would women be willing to give up their eggs if artificial wombs existed and men could have and raise children without them?
No, women would just want to control men.
Because if that happened, as soon as the attention started to dry up from men, we would just be cooked.
We'd get so pissed.
Funned.
It just wasn't.
I agree.
Me too.
I mean, one of my few regrets, I was actually talking to, I've talked to a lot of people who are actually fairly prominent in public life, but I won't say their names and embarrass them.
But people have told me, you know, one of my big regrets, I hear this a lot.
I wish I'd gotten married younger.
And I think that to myself.
And I think, look, in the scope of Providence, it all works out as God wants.
So I'm not, I don't stay up at night over this.
But it is kind of a regret of mine, too.
If I was ready to get married at 28, why wasn't I ready to get married at 22, 23?
Because I wanted to go stay out later at more bars, carouse.
I'm like, okay, I mean, it's kind of fun, but I don't.
Was that good for me?
I don't know.
That was good for me.
I'm going to tell you.
Well, yeah, but now you get to be a rock star.
You get to be a Christian rock star.
Of course, you're going to say that.
But like the guy that's got to work construction the rest of his life, when he gets married, yeah, he's going to bawl out.
You've got the Rizzo, Pearl in the Oyster.
What does that even mean?
I feel like you said, oh, Pearl in the, I'm so dumb.
Pearl in the oyster.
Whatever.
All right.
Here's a reality show reference for you.
I watch a lot of reality TV.
I love it.
I don't know if you've watched this.
Of course you do.
Secret Lives of Mormon wives or not.
But these young ladies get married at age 22.
And they feel like they missed out because they have the option to be a rock star.
Being a rock star is fun.
Look at, you know, I wish I liked doing this less sometimes.
I love it.
I could, guys, I've had to work to have a more normal life the last like year, you know.
But if I did my full, like, I've had to actually work to be like, do you know what?
You need to have a more normal life.
You should maybe go make some friends, whatever, you know.
My habit, I could, I love streaming.
I love it.
It's so fun.
I like, you know, I could, I could stream like, like eight hours a day.
I really could.
I genuinely think.
Like, I could eat on stream.
I could, like, I could do, I could, I don't, because, you know, I just think that would maybe be like a safety issue, invasion of privacy.
You know, there's just the more I'm here, you just, I've had to figure out like balance of how to have a more normal life the last few.
Can tell you more about this for my future, not wife.
Thank you, Aaron.
I appreciate that.
But it's a lot of fun, you know, and I don't, I don't fault him for it.
Anyways, I'm going to continue.
Do a church stream.
I do, I do, once I get, I'm going to move soon.
Should I announce?
I'm kind of feeling you guys today.
You guys are being cool in the chat.
Should I announce where I'm going?
Should I announce Doug MPA?
Should I tell him?
I have a date now.
Should I, should I tell you?
Should I say where I'm moving?
Pearl will get married and divorced.
Okay, well, you probably will too.
So screw you, all right?
Save it for another show.
Fine.
Do you know what?
How is Doug MPA?
What super chat level can we get and I'll announce where I'm moving?
they want me to announce you think i'm going to iran are they Doug MPA says the Friday show, but I can be bought, Doug MPA.
I personally, you can buy, I can, oh my God, they're going to clip that.
Oh, not when I say anything, they're just going to clip.
Oh, my God.
I hate these reaction channels.
It's like you'll say something.
Even if it's satirical, you'll just know how they can take it out of context.
Pearl's monetized and still begging for money.
Yup.
Hell yeah, I am.
Don't tell.
Reveal it in due time.
Oh, they're saying don't dox myself.
Ooh, actually.
It's a good concern.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
Look at $500 super chat.
I'll say it.
I'll say, Doug MPA says, no, I can be bought.
500 bucks.
I'll do it.
I'll say the city.
Or at least the state.
I'll say the state.
Maybe not the city.
To their husbands that are 22, and they've got three kids by, you know, 24.
23.
And it doesn't work out because they cheat on each other.
They want something else.
They want an experience elsewhere.
But that's reality TV.
They need that drama.
You're not going to hear the stories of the people who have a good marriage.
That wouldn't make reality TV.
I don't think that.
Exception and rule again.
There's always exceptions to the rule.
I don't think many people who get married very young and have kids very young, I think that they probably experience some level of angst.
Not everybody, but I think many do.
And whether they're honest about it, I don't know.
Whether they will.
Women are asking, is this the best I could do?
Is the guy from my hometown the best I could do in most cases?
It's not.
It's not because women can get with such high quality guys.
I mean, women can get in the door with billionaires, millionaires, even average women.
I've seen it.
So, yeah.
That's why.
Won't admit it to themselves until they're 55?
Perhaps.
I know people who got married in 1920, spit out six kids, couldn't be happier.
I've seen it happen.
And I think that's how society worked for a long time.
To your point, you know, I was an atheist for 10 years.
I was a libertarian.
I admit, I admit, okay, sometimes.
I was a libertarian for a little bit and never a liberal, but a libertarian.
And it is helpful to me now that I was single for some years, because that I was an atheist, that I was a libertarian.
It's helpful.
It's also harmful, because you have the scars of bad habits.
But it's helpful in the sense that there ain't no greener grass on the other side.
I've seen the other side of the fence.
I know how that grass is.
It's not great.
Detached CL graduate talking to some guy's wallet.
Thank you, drowning in the scenery.
It's not $500.
You guys are putting some cities in the chat that I'm like, ooh, that would be kind of cool.
And you're making me second guess.
Okay.
I understand that point, but can't you?
I guess the ultimate question we're talking about here is: does one have to make mistakes?
Or can we learn from others' mistakes?
My answer is, yeah.
I think mistakes are part of life.
I think you can't deprive people of either choosing to make a mistake or choosing not to, but making a decision is part of life.
So, yeah.
But, you know, okay, it should be $500 in cumulative super chats.
Okay.
Doug MPA, if you could track it, sure.
Sure, we could do that.
Cumulative, and I'll say it.
Sure.
I'll take the deal.
Mistakes.
We're infallible humans when we make mistakes.
And I think we have to.
Yeah, you have to.
That is part of life.
It's part of life.
Some people choose to not make the mistakes, but the choice.
I don't believe in taking away choice.
I don't.
All right, we got two.
We got $4 now.
$496 more to go.
$500 is too high.
Well, that's what I said.
And I said it.
I meant it.
I think we have to make a mistake.
What about Jim Mattis, the general former Defense Secretary Andrew Trump?
Like, who are you, Michael, to say a young man can't make mistakes if you had the opportunity to make mistakes?
You know, I just don't.
Yeah.
One.
He said, I read a lot.
Making mistakes doesn't mean you have to learn from them.
That's true.
That's true.
Some people don't.
A lot of books so that other people make mistakes for me.
So I don't need to make those mistakes that they made.
That's great in battle.
Yeah, I know.
I totally agree.
You can't.
That doesn't work in real life, just reading books.
In life, good luck.
You're going to make a mistake.
I do know what I'm worth.
We've all made them.
We're stronger for them.
I believe that to my very core.
But would you avoid, like tomorrow, not to belabor the point, but if you said there's some terrible mistake you could make tomorrow.
Yeah.
But I'm warning you about it now.
So you don't have to make it.
Would you still choose to make the mistake?
Yeah, but the problem is the conservatives will keep you single forever because the only way forward, literally, is then like, because all other parts of women's lives are taken care of.
If you don't learn to be charming, charismatic, and how to get women, you're kind of cooked.
Conservatives cook women or men.
They cook them.
Mistake, so you're better for it and stronger for it?
Or would you try to avoid it?
That wouldn't be enough.
$20.
Do you plan on getting married and having children?
You said marriage is a bad deal for men.
And you are dating a guy who's anti-marriage, but you're 28.
And what's your plan?
Single mom, childless, genuinely curious.
Well, that's up to him.
So, you know.
You know, I don't have to, I don't have to share.
I really don't have to tell you guys my personal life, but it's going, all right.
Natural situation, though.
Of course it is.
That's what I'm going to say.
I could avoid it.
I don't think you.
But that's what moral education is.
I don't think you make mistakes knowing that you're about to make a mistake in most cases.
I think it's the hindsight that provides that.
Yeah, yeah.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
If growing up, you know, you said, hey, here's a real.
I'll make it easier.
If you could tell me, hey, you could go back to when you were with so-and-so and you could have completely avoided that stupid ex-boyfriend eliminated these three guys and gone straight to your husband.
Would you disagree with that one?
I disagree with that one.
If you could point to me to a decision I knew wouldn't work out.
Like, you can't go back, so there's no point.
But yeah, no, I would be, I would avoid the decision.
I would.
But the problem is, you don't learn the lesson unless you make a bad decision sometimes.
I know some people, it's otherwise, but it's like all guys kind of have to not simp.
They have to like go and not simp.
The good thing for my past hardships, I can't be blindsided by these hot sevens, eights, nines, or tens.
I see who they really are.
But more importantly, if this feminism BS doesn't stop, we'll all die off.
Okay.
No.
You had led me on to say you were going to say yes.
No, because I learned and I grew from all of them.
It's everything that was needed to me to get to the point that I was, that I was ready to get married and that I know that now I'm okay.
Hey, okay, that is as blunt an answer.
There were some girls I might have taken off, you know, I might have gotten off the list.
But that, okay, that's an honest answer.
I don't even remember.
We were.
You rapid fire asking me.
Carl, if you were a nine, I think you'd be in the Tommy seat.
Well, I'm not a nine.
Thank you for letting me know what I'll never have.
Rapid Fire for you.
Okay, I'm going to clear my answer.
It's already cleared.
Okay.
Oh, come on.
It's like every time.
Do men who never go to the gym have any grounds to advocate that women should stay in shape?
Yeah, I mean, how much money does he make?
Men who never go to the gym.
Who are those men?
Yeah.
I'd say some of us actually do have grounds because we're rational creatures and we don't have to go lift weights.
Anyway, that's fine.
We'll talk about this later.
Would you mind clearing?
Is there a good argument for bringing back public executions?
Hold on, you've laughed, so I want to say you're going to say no, but was that a fake out?
And you could be.
Yo, you said, come on, she laughed though.
It was like a total head fake.
I'm very good at this game.
Yeah.
This is awful.
This is terrible.
Would you sooner attend?
Would you, wow, that's a good question.
Would you sooner attend a woman's march, women's march, or a march for life?
So hold on.
The phrasing is: would you sooner attend a women's march than a march for life?
Wow.
That's a real Sophie's choice here.
First, I have to clear up my answer.
Clear up, clear the answer.
Read it again.
So I'm going to.
Would you sooner attend a women's march than a march for life?
Okay.
Oh, they're both crazy, to be fair.
I mean, I'd rather attend a march for life, but I think those women are fucking nuts, too.
We're talking about feminism.
We're talking about.
People never know which way I'm going to go on these.
and I don't know what happened to be caught.
Be caught.
Why?
Because first of all, because they're on your team.
The pro-life people are on your team.
The women's march are not.
Pro-life people are going to smell and look better.
If I'm going to put myself into a crowd, which I hate anyway, I'm going to be honest to you.
I'm not showing up to any march.
I don't even like to work out with other people nearby.
I don't like to work without anything else.
The last thing I'm going to do is put myself in a march.
I don't even like to go to concerts and sit in general public.
I don't like crowds.
I don't like people.
You wouldn't catch me there.
I love law enforcement.
I wouldn't be at a law enforcement march either.
So, I will say this, though.
People often get my position on this very, very, kill your kids.
I don't care.
Done.
Done.
Personally pro-choice.
I like the pro-life message.
If the pro-life message is we want to preserve life and we want to encourage people to preserve life, I'm with you.
But as a matter of law, if you want to abort your kid, you can.
As a matter of law, not as a matter of personality.
To an extent.
Again, I'm not a late-term abortion.
You're never going to.
I'm going to give up.
Give up.
I can't.
I can't stop them.
Give up.
Catch me advocating for that, even for a limited government perspective.
Right?
I'm with you on the pro-life cause.
Here's the deal.
It's not saying that it's not important, that it's not a life.
It's not that.
It's me saying, does the government and actually we're in the anniversary of the repeal of Roe v. Wade, right?
Yeah, right.
And there's more abortions now than before they repealed the manual.
That's because of the abortion bill.
That would happen anyway.
That's like 75% of the abortion bill now, which is a technological challenge.
But I look, I grant there have been at the state level laws since because the repeal just said go to the states.
There are now certain states that say, yeah, we're going to have abortion up until the moment of abortion.
And there are some, like Tennessee, that say pretty much.
Basically done.
Yeah, yeah.
And I agree with that.
States right.
So hold on, you're more pro-life than I thought you were.
I'm definitely personally pro-life.
So then why not if you're pro-life?
I don't believe that the government's.
Well, because you guys are losers and you keep losing that war.
And I don't think you're going to win.
And you might get small victories, but it's never going to be banned, my opinion.
Solves the problem.
Why not?
Because I don't believe that.
Well, the government passes laws.
We have laws against murder.
We have laws against jaywalking.
We have laws against immigration.
I understand that.
Well, loosely.
They're not in forest very often.
Loosely.
I will say this.
You criminalize when you murder because you do it with the intent.
When I believe that women are in that position, that they are getting an abortion, I believe more often than not.
They don't know what they're doing.
It's because...
Bruh.
Oh, my God.
They know exactly what they're doing.
They don't care.
They don't care to know what they're doing.
Tommy had 63 bodies in one football season.
They're scared.
They don't know what to do.
They're poor.
I don't believe that they do it because they are going to murder.
I don't believe there's a crowd for that.
Some do.
There's a crowd for that, and it's a disgusting crowd.
But I don't believe that it solves the problem.
Now, I believe that faith, family, because I don't believe you're going to not get an abortion because the government says, okay, we have an auto rights.
It spiked after Roe v. Wade.
Spiked.
Now, there were always some illegal abortions, but not many compared to the legal ones.
So I'm just saying, look, whatever your view on abortion is, it's one thing.
I'm just saying, if you're willing to use the government to enforce laws about taxes, driving, homicide, manslaughter and murder, whatever.
Incest, simple assault, drinking underage.
You know, we have laws about everything.
Why not that?
Why is this the one thing we can't have a law about?
I think intent matters.
And again, late term, we're not talking about late term.
We have plenty of time.
I think intent matters.
Like I said, women that are in that position, I don't believe that they're doing it when you don't pay your taxes.
It's like manslaughter murder, someone slaughter.
You don't have an intent to kill someone.
You just do it accidentally or in passion or something.
Yeah.
Well, usually you made a pretty egregious mistake.
Yes.
Yeah.
Right.
I understand your perspective.
I just don't think that the government solves the problem.
If you want women to choose life, if you want women to either choose life and choose to adopt or choose to be a mother, I believe.
What more do you want, Tommy?
They've given us a billion forms of birth control, plan B's, and now late-term abortions.
What more do you need?
You have daycare.
I mean, we're, I bet you we get to the point that daycare is subsidized.
If you don't do that by government mandate, I believe you do that by faith, fellowship, family, friendship.
I think that's the area that you provide love and compassion for.
And federal legislation.
No, you would disagree.
I disagree with you.
I don't think it solves the problem.
Now.
Yeah, I quit.
I quit.
They, yeah, I mean, they're going to kill them.
But you would still go to the March for Life over the Women's March, but no marches generally.
I don't.
I wouldn't go to any march, but I have no problem with a pro-life march.
It's not like I look at it, oh, no, no, no.
Those are my people.
I love that they're passionate about it.
And I love that they want to preach pro-life values.
I think that's great.
Now, I don't believe in a federal abortion ban, but I believe in a pro-life message.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And I believe that we have been led to believe that you can't believe both things.
Yeah.
And I think that the majority of Americans believe both things.
I think that's a good thing.
Yeah, it's kind of in the middle.
That's true.
All right.
Well, maybe I can persuade you after our final round.
Is Joe Joe Siwa just the first of many influences?
Should I rank Tommy ever ain't or I'd say six, adjustable six?
I mean, America's fat, so she'll probably get the attention of seven.
who will soon discover that they were pressured into being gay.
You told me that she saw that I moved so fast.
Okay, it's fair.
So hold on.
Now you got to put your answer that I believe in.
What do you believe?
And I have to guess what you believe.
I shouldn't move so fast because Tom obviously got it right.
Correct.
Okay.
All right.
That's an easy one.
Last name.
That's an easy one.
Okay.
Clear.
Last one.
If it's culturally acceptable for black women to dye their hair blonde, should it also dye their hair blonde, should it also be culturally acceptable for white people to wear blackface?
Good lord.
It's kind of a non-sequitur, wouldn't you say?
Okay, hold on.
I got to put my answer.
You got to put your answer.
We'll do the others.
Okay.
So I'm going to get you to lock yours in first, and then I got to guess.
Pearly, pearly, pearl.
Thank you for the $2 super.
All right, you got to lock yours in, too.
Okay.
Okay.
Now I got to.
Now I move yours first, I think.
Except, Tom, so I have an answer in my head that I think you would answer.
But you've been faking me out this whole game and have been crushing me.
Now, do you want me to answer?
You got to move it to mine.
I hope I'm right on that.
I hope for your sake.
I'm completely fine with blackface.
In some cases.
It's a completely in some cases.
Here's my argument.
I remember once there was some blackface controversy came up.
I just don't care.
I'm not going to lose my energy over either.
What the?
You guys, family, faith, fellowship after I'm done hoeing.
Mm-hmm.
And then the other one says, Colorado.
Well, I could say yes or no, but it depends on.
I don't think we're going to get enough supers this show, to be honest.
We're going to the end, so I got probably 10 minutes left.
I'm going to guess.
Probably five to ten minutes left.
Got for a five.
You basically are going to have to do like a couple hundred dollar super.
Like, I don't know if we're going to get it this show.
I guess you guys don't really care that much.
Totally fine.
It's all right.
You know, there are many of them.
There are many, like not even blackface, black, like Jimmy Fallon, like dressed up as Chris Rockers.
And I was in a cab.
I was in an Uber, nice Uber, with a black driver.
And it came on the radio.
And I said, oh, what do you think about that?
He said, oh, man, I don't care.
It's all in good fun.
I don't, whatever.
I don't care.
And that's kind of my view.
If you're doing it to be really cruel to any racial group, I think that's quite wrong to be cruel and rude.
But if you're just sort of, you know, why is it wrong to be rude?
I don't think it's wrong.
You might not like it, but.
Having fun.
That's fine.
I think the Waynes brothers can put on whiteface.
I think we can, I can do a little minstrel show.
Billy Kersands was the great genius of minstrelsy.
He was a black guy.
Yeah.
So that one's going to get me in a lot of trouble.
Yeah.
Whatever.
That's fine.
I don't think, I think that you're correct.
That I don't think many care as much as the loud voices that are that decry it.
However, I just would never do it.
I'm not going to walk into that territory.
It just does not seem worth it to me to be canceled for that.
That's like, I don't have the desire that badly.
This is Sicilian.
We're basically African ourselves.
So if I were Lily White, I might have a different answer.
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So there you have it, folks.
I mean, she's just a Trad Con feminist.
Tomorrow we're going to react to Michael Knowles'.
It's interesting.
I think he's trying to be like the new Pierce Morgan.
I think that's kind of the right one.
We're going to react to this, the Trad wife fight.
We had Emily on the show.
She kind of did some subtle.
I don't think she meant it to be a dig at me, but I was offended because the women shouldn't.
But I can't even comment on that part, sadly.
No, it could make the case very well.
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