Lila Rose and Hannah Pearl Davis clash over marriage’s role in modern society, with Pearl arguing it’s a losing deal for men—74% of divorces initiated by women, $200K legal fees, and 40% income garnishment for child support—while dismissing male privilege claims. Rose counters by framing abortion as the top human rights issue, citing 1M annual abortions and 1 in 3 women reporting coercion, but Pearl insists women’s voting power ensures abortion bans won’t succeed. They debate marriage’s risks versus rewards, with Rose defending it as a sacred calling despite divorce dangers, while Pearl highlights financial instability, emotional harm, and shifting gender dynamics. The episode reveals deep divides over societal progress, gender roles, and the effectiveness of moral advocacy versus legal reform. [Automatically generated summary]
Most answered very quickly, no, because men are useless.
This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.
Most young men are single.
Most young women are not.
Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America over the last 40 years.
It's a different world now.
Like, we don't need men the way that they used to.
We need men!
The future is female.
Men and women are drifting further apart, and society is crumbling because of it.
A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
You've kind of got the Trad Con versus Red Pill thing.
This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.
Oh, you need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.
Marriage is a bond, and it's a sacred bond.
It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.
Now, many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.
Hannah Pearl Davis, or just pearly things.
One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.
She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.
Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.
Gee, what could go wrong there?
74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.
Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.
Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.
I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.
Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.
You need no evidence.
When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for, and you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.
I interview them on the other side.
I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.
How much did you spend trying to get him back?
The legal fees alone was about $200,000.
Before you know it, you're homeless.
You're literally just thrown out onto the street.
We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.
Wives are taught to leave their husbands and then daughters grow up without their fathers.
Family is the foundation of society.
Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.
A lot of women will just chase this negative rapid hole of happiness, endless happiness.
Feminism's biggest failures is it lies to women.
We tell women to date as many guys as possible.
We tell them to put off family into marriage.
You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.
You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.
Oh, freeze your inch, have an abortion.
What?
You're evil.
I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.
Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic, naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.
It's self-sabotage.
That's the thing.
Like women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.
This is not about happiness.
The most important thing is the children.
And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me.
My feelings leave when I feel like it instead of doing what's best for the kids.
This myth that we live in an age of male privilege.
Where's my male privilege?
They think, well, men have all the rights.
They have all the power.
Privilege, patriarchal system that we have.
Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?
I have no friends, no wife, and no social life.
Men are alone in this situation.
Men are homeless.
Men are thinking about eating guns.
I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
Women are helplessly dependent upon men.
The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose, or alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
Culture is telling men, you are no good.
You gotta get your act together.
I think men have failed themselves.
What kind of a man are you?
What kind of a woman are you going to attract?
If men are in trouble, so are women.
Everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it.
Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man.
500K, 500, 300K, 300K, 200K.
Am I crazy?
Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man.
If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.
So, you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
Women.
I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.
I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.
I'm over it.
When is it going to be my turn?
Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?
I can't keep having these same conversations.
The only simp here is you, Pearl.
You sent for women.
No, I think you sent for women.
She's a provocateur.
She says stupid stuff, but Pearl is right about this.
It's already happening.
It's just not out in the open yet.
Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.
The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.
We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.
Civilization will crumble.
The American story does not end well.
This is an existential crisis failing young men.
What up, guys?
Welcome to another episode here of Pearl Daily here and the Audacity Network today.
We do have a special guest coming on the channel, but I'm going to do a couple of announcements and ground rules first.
So the first is that we are raising money for this divorce documentary, as you guys know.
The past year and a half, I've been working on a documentary on divorce, but unfortunately, women do not want this message to get out.
So what they have done is they have demonetized me, kicked me off of TikTok eight times.
I've gone through three Instagram.
And I recently got remonetized on YouTube, but this did set us back a little bit.
So we are raising money.
Our goal is to get to $100,000 in order to finish the documentary.
That's bare minimum.
The price is set to a million.
Really, that's just if we can get a Netflix grade one, but we can do it with $100K.
We're at $25K, so thank you all for the donations.
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This is where I bring on these smart, intelligent, famous, and non-famous men to teach you guys how to improve your love lives, how to make it on YouTube, how to make more money, basically any kind of self-improvement that you want to do.
Okay, so next, I want, can you guys flash me the Zoom first?
Don't put her on quite yet because I just want to make sure it's working before I bring her on and that I can see it okay on the TV.
If not, I need to press a button.
Can you see me?
I can't.
One second.
Hi, Lila.
One second.
Hi.
I'm going to fix one thing and then I'll be back.
Okay.
Okay.
It's just me in here, so I got to hold on.
All good.
Wrong side.
I don't know what it is, guys.
It was working earlier, but it's okay.
I can just look in the camera.
All right.
How are you, Lila?
I'm good, Pearl.
How are you?
I'm good.
So I wanted to start.
I was going to.
Thanks for doing this.
Yeah, no problem.
I was going to give you your intro.
Is that all right?
Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Okay, okay.
So Lila Rose, guys, president of Live Action, a pro-life nonprofit.
She's got almost 300,000 subscribers and runs a pro-life YouTube channel.
Did I miss anything, Lila?
Thank you.
That sounds good.
Thanks, Pearl.
Okay, cool.
So thanks for coming on.
I know we went back and forth a little bit on Twitter, but I do enjoy having conversations with people that we have different ideas on.
So I do appreciate you coming on the show.
I appreciate that.
And I thank you for being willing to dialogue with me and grateful for that.
And thanks for having me on.
Cool.
So I guess I wanted to flesh out a little bit of your ideas on different topics that we maybe have different points of view on.
So I wanted to start with abortion.
So I wanted to see what your stance is on abortion.
Sure.
Well, abortion, and we'll define it quickly because there's sometimes some media confusion that they try to throw confusion into the topic.
But abortion is the direct intentional killing of a baby.
It's always wrong.
And that's because it's always wrong to kill an innocent human being and a child in the womb as an innocent human being.
So this is the greatest human rights issue that we're facing, I believe, as a country.
There's 3,000 babies killed every single day by abortion.
It's devastating our entire social fabric.
There's a million babies killed every single year.
And this has been a mission for me since, you know, teen years, basically, since I was a kid.
Thankfully, our movement has grown, but we have a ton of work to do because there's a lot of people who are blind on this issue and there's a lot of laws that we need to change to protect children and to create a culture of life.
So what laws would you want to change?
Well, I think first off, there should be complete abortion bans.
So there needs to be complete abolition of abortion and complete legal protection for the preborn child.
That's the most important law.
And then I think there's also public policies we could do to make America a friendlier place for families, more tax credits and cash, quite frankly, cash money given directly to families who have children so that it's easier to raise families.
So there's a lot of pro-life positive public policy, but the biggest thing is we need to protect babies in the womb from abortion.
Okay.
So when it comes to enforcing that, do you think that women should be put in jail who have abortions?
I think that, yeah, if somebody is intentionally, willfully with full knowledge pursuing the crime of killing the baby, whether that's a woman or she's someone else outside of her, it's a man who's pushing that on her, another woman, the abortionist obviously committing the act, there should be criminal penalties for that.
Okay.
And so we would agree then life in prison, similar to like aborting an adult, we would agree.
I mean, I think it's killing an adult by that.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, that's okay.
I think it depends.
I mean, every state has different kinds of homicide laws and there's different penalties depending on different circumstances, different degrees of murder.
So I think it'll depend.
I mean, right now, for example, if you commit infanticide, you kill a newborn baby, right?
And you do it with full intent and full knowledge, there wasn't some sort of mental health issue, right?
You could get a very significant prison sentence.
And I think we need to have justice like that to protect life and to make sure we're valuing life in our laws.
So I think it's going to depend case by case.
But overall, yes, of course we should have legal protections.
And that would include penalties for those that willfully, intentionally, with full knowledge, there's not some like mental health issue or coercion issue going on.
That I think that is an important part of our legal system.
Well, what's should be a part of our legal system.
What is a coercion issue?
Well, so a lot of abortions, unfortunately, there's a coercive aspect where, and this is reporting that we've done at Life Action Now for over a decade where, especially if there's a situation of sexual abuse or, you know, an abusive relationship, generally speaking, sometimes there's going to be a partner, a man involved, usually not a husband, as a boyfriend, who is pushing for that abortion.
And so if there's a woman who's basically being coerced into having that abortion, she's being threatened that, you know, I'm going to kill you if you don't do this.
She's being driven to the abortion clinic, kicking and screaming, things like that.
Then, of course, when you're looking at abortion, you know, pro-life laws, there should be penalties for that, for coercing someone into having an abortion.
And there's different studies that have been done.
It's about up to a third of women report that they felt coerced into having their abortion.
And there's a lot of cases of this, you know, boyfriends throwing abortion drugs into the girlfriend's drink, saying she has to have the abortion.
She, you know, has an abortion because the pills were put in her drink.
Those sorts of really tragic situations.
And that is an element of abortion today.
Right, but there's no law that a man could put a gun to a woman's head and make her get an abortion.
It's 100% her choice at the end of the day.
Outside of throwing something in her drink, right?
Which is the equivalent of like roof, you know, but outside of that.
Well, yeah, I mean, there's not a law saying you're saying there's not a law that says the man gets to decide.
That's true.
Like in today's, like today, you know, just to be clear, I mean, on the flip side, separate, the coercion can go the other direction, right?
So the man could be coercing the woman to have the abortion.
The woman could be coercing the man that I'm going to have this abortion whether you like it or not.
And that also tragically happens horribly.
Men have no rights when it comes to protecting their baby.
So you can be a man today.
You know, the girlfriend's pregnant with your child.
You have no rights to protect that child.
She goes and have an abortion.
You don't even have to have knowledge of it.
That also tragically happens.
It's horrific.
And I totally agree, but I think where I would have a difference of opinion is I think that's just a get out of jail free card that women use when they don't want to take accountability for the choice that they made.
It's really easy to do.
What is a get out of jail free card?
What are you talking about?
So what I've noticed with traditional conservatives whenever women do something terrible, they have a tendency to blame the men when they can.
And so I think it's bullshit that women can say, oh, I was coerced into something when women have every right under the law.
Like there's no way a man can put a gun to a woman's head without severe consequences in making her get an abortion.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I think we hold on.
I think we agree that, of course, it should be illegal.
And it is largely speaking to physically harm someone outside of the womb anyway.
It's not a baby on the womb.
They're up for being killed, which is horrific, right?
But yeah, I mean, technically, if a woman is physically dragged to an abortion clinic or threatened, she could probably have a legal case against him.
And it would be great if she could pursue that.
They don't always get pursued.
So that's a problem.
But the reality is abortion involves coercion often on one or the other side.
And that's another element of just us allowing the killing of babies in this country.
And that anybody has a consent to kill the baby is wrong.
No one should have that right to kill.
There's no right to kill.
And nobody should be pressuring anybody into an abortion.
So I agree.
I'm just curious.
Yeah.
And I'll get into it, but I don't think like necessarily, right?
Because, okay, so if I wanted to get an abortion, I personally, I would never, right?
I don't believe in it.
Yeah, personally wouldn't.
But let's say tomorrow I change my mind and I want one.
What can my boyfriend, can he legally stop me?
No, and that's part of the horror of this, right?
Right.
We just did a panel.
But the other way around, like if he wanted me to get one and I wanted to have the kid, he can't do anything.
Well, unfortunately, in many cases, there are coercive situations where there's abuse and they do try to do something.
So that does happen.
You could say it's technically illegal.
Like she could call the cops and say, get him out of here.
But in a lot of domestic abuse situations, you know, even calling the cops doesn't always work for multiple reasons.
There's a lot of complexity there.
So it's just another sad, dark part of our culture today, unfortunately.
But how?
Like, how is calling the cops not a solution?
Well, I mean, I don't know how much you don't know how much you've kind of looked into.
So live action news reports in some of these cases, right?
And so I don't know how much you might look into it.
But in cases where there's sort of this, there could be overt pressure, which would be, you know, I want to kill you if you don't have this abortion, right?
Or there's a sexual abuse victim, like a young girl, which we've documented this in multiple cases.
There's actually court cases of like 12 and 13-year-old girls who their stepfather or their soccer coach got them pregnant, drove them to the abortion clinic to get the abortion.
You know, that was part of continuing the cycle of abuse.
Underage is a different conversation, but I'm talking about of age.
So like 18.
So I'm not sure.
I'm not sure where you're going with this or what you're trying to do.
Well, you know, what you're saying is that I'm trying to hear how we might disagree.
Do you think we disagree on something I've said?
Yeah, because what do you disagree with?
I disagree with saying that a woman can be coerced into getting an abortion.
I disagree.
Okay.
Because the women have the police on their side and we have all of the laws are on our side.
So there's nothing that a man can, like he can tell you to go get one, but you can say no, F you and not.
Yes, and I would encourage every woman in a city.
I hear what you're saying, Pearl.
And I think, I do think the kind of potential language of empowerment you're using of like, ladies, like if you're feeling pressure, like bucket, like forget it.
Like this guy has no power over you.
You stand up and fight for the life of your baby.
That is one of the prevailing messages of live action for women, whether it's a boyfriend, whether it's their parents, whether it's the doubts in the back of their mind that are thinking, oh, I need this abortion.
Otherwise, my life is over.
Whatever it is.
No, don't listen to that voice.
Don't listen to that pressure.
You have the power to choose life.
You have the power to fight for your baby.
So yeah, I agree with you that that is, that should be the ultimate message to women.
We should fight for our babies and love them.
And we have the ability to do that.
We have the ability to do that now.
Any woman can do that.
Yeah, I think where we disagree is I watch what women do, not what they say.
And so just because a woman says she was feeling a certain way, that doesn't mean she's telling the truth.
Like anyone can feel that.
Okay, I mean, that's certainly possible for some women, yes.
A lot of women.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it depends on the women you talk to, but yeah, there's going to be some women who, you know, may feel a certain way and not act by their feelings.
Or, you know, certainly people do can blame other people for their actions.
I think that can happen.
So I know you, I know that, you know, from what I know of your content, I know you say, you know, you have a lot of broad sweeping statements about, you know, men at large or women at large.
And, you know, women kind of are, I don't know.
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
But and certainly there are bad bad actors out there doing bad things.
So I'm not going to act like there aren't.
Okay.
So the next question I have is, what is your timeline on when you think abortion will be banned?
So I, my, my work, our work on this, in a spite, I believe it will be within our lifetime for sure.
I think that even under this current administration, you know, we were very disappointed that, you know, there's some progress being made, but the Republican Party right now has made a lot of compromises on this.
So we have to work to reestablish protection of life in the Republican Party and obviously convince the Democrat Party to fight for life.
That's a big fight right there because most Democrats are pro-abortion.
But I do think that there are, you know, every day little shifts happening.
You know, people, when they learn about abortion, when they learn about the evil of it, there is a lot of conversions that are happening.
So that's the focus of live actions work primarily more than public policy even is changing hearts and minds.
And it's a difficult task, of course, Pearl, because I mean, as I'm sure you've seen, there's a lot of toxicity in our culture today.
There's a lot of lies.
Post-sexual revolution, I think people are just very damaged.
And so we've come to accept abortion as this normal thing.
And we've also come to accept, you know, sex outside of marriage and sex outside of a loving, lifelong commitment as normal.
Like, oh, yeah, of course, people hook up.
Of course, that's normal.
That's sort of a prevailing societal attitude today.
And that's what leads to abortion, right?
Because people think, oh, I'm going to have sex without consequences.
I can do what I want.
And then, of course, sex can lead to new life, even with contraception.
And that's what happens again and again.
And that's why we have 3,000 babies killed every day.
That is the backup contraception day, abortion.
So that's, you know, this is the kind of the larger societal issue.
And so, anyways, back to your question of, are we going to ban abortion?
I believe we will.
It is, it is going to happen, but there's a lot of work we need to do to change hearts and minds and to change really how we operate as a society where we, instead of looking at sex as cheap, the hookup culture as the way to go, we celebrate marriage and say, no, marriage is a good thing and sex belongs within marriage and children are gifts.
They're blessings.
Would you agree it's a losing cause?
That when women have aborted an eighth, when women have aborted an eighth of the world population, an eighth, like one out of eight people, like the most dangerous place you can be is in your mother's womb.
Yes, it's horrific.
Horrible.
So like, wouldn't you say?
I agree.
Like, wouldn't you say it's a losing cause?
No, I don't think it's a losing cause at all.
And I see people change on this issue.
I see former abortionists become passionately pro-life and start crusading for pro-life laws.
I see women's problems.
That's the problem.
They do it when it's convenient.
See, that's the I disagree with that.
I don't think it's a convenient for them.
No, I can't.
I've seen sacrifices a lot.
No, I've seen the one lady that worked like, and this is just what I see tend to happen.
And I think it really detracts.
You might have good intentions, right?
But I think it often detracts from the message.
Is, you know, it's very convenient to say after you've aborted, like, I think there's one woman, she aborted two kids and then became like a speaker.
And I'm just thinking it's very convenient that now that you can make money as a pro-life speaker, that you're conveniently now you're pro-life.
And I just see that pattern where a lot of people, it's very convenient when they choose to be pro-life.
It could be a true change of heart.
It's possible, but yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I totally disagree.
I think today it actually is inconvenient more than convenient to be pro-life because there's so much societal infrastructure and pressure to actually be pro-abortion.
So I think it's actually, it's not like, oh, being pro-life, you know, we're working on making pro-life mainstream.
I think we've made actually a lot of progress, Pearl, which I'm proud of.
There's a lot more work to do.
You know, 3,000 babies dying every day is an emergency of the greatest.
Plan B is over the counter now.
Like, I don't know if there's been, like, in my lifetime, I would say in the past 10 years, it's become easy.
I mean, I know there was Roe versus Wade.
I'm sure you're going to say that.
But even so, I mean, I've been to some of these feminist conventions.
They just ship the abortion stuff in the mail.
You can get plan B over the counter.
Like, if you think plan B is abortion, I don't really see any progress at all.
Well, and if you're speaking about the abortion pill, that is now over half of abortions and that can be shipped by mail because we don't have regulations and the pill is even on the market.
I mean, the fact that the abortion pill is on the market, that happened under Clinton in the 1990s.
And then under Biden, they took off all the regulations.
And now you can literally order an abortion pill in the mail.
Yeah, that's horrific.
And that's only going to, you know, that leads to the normalization of, oh, it's just a pill.
You know, it's not just a pill, by the way.
It's one out of every 24.
Yeah.
One out of every 24 women who take the abortion pill end up in the emergency room.
One out of every 10 of them have serious complications, and 100% of those babies virtually are being murdered, right?
So it's a huge issue.
But I don't think it's convenient.
Just back to what you're saying originally, you know, I don't think it's somehow like convenient to go out there and be a pro-life speaker, like many women are and many men are, quite frankly.
I think it's a beautiful work that they do.
And I wish there were more people out there advocating for life.
Yeah, I disagree because I see YouTube numbers.
Like, I know what you guys get paid to speak at a lot of these places.
And maybe I'm off by 10, 20%, but it's good money.
And a lot of them are getting paid very well.
So I think it's, you know, I just wouldn't say I don't think it's one thing to pay people for, you know, work and they're giving a speech or things like that.
But, you know, the people that I know in the pro-life movement, they're not doing this because, oh, this is my way to make all this money.
They're doing this because they are passionate about saving lives.
And thankfully, again, there's a lot of beautiful work being done.
I mean, I think about the pregnancy resource care center movement, thousands of pregnancy resource centers across the country, more than Planned Parenthoods, more than abortion clinics.
They don't get taxpayer dollars.
They're not the ones like Planned Parenthood getting, you know, $800 million a year from taxpayers.
And they're literally saving lives every day in our communities.
They don't have a big marketing budget the way that Planned Parenthood does.
Planned Parenthood has like hundreds of millions of dollars.
Look at you.
Don't mind if people don't spend their money.
You don't have to convince me that pro-life is like a good or abortion's role.
I think what I'm doing, Carl, is I don't want to discourage people from joining the pro-life movement.
And I would say I think we need more professional people in the pro-life movement who are advancing the cause.
Planned Parenthood has a tremendous amount of money that they're investing professionally in developing the pro-abortion lobby.
So I would argue we need actually more resources in the pro-life movement.
We need more people who are professionally engaged in the pro-life movement in order to advance the cause of the unborn.
Right, but the challenge is we see this.
Abortion abolition and changing hearts in the world.
The challenge is most people see this as a losing cause.
Like nobody really sees the pro-life movement as having really won much in the past 50 years.
And I will say, wait, wait, I'm going to, I would say a lot of people that hypothetically could or would be, you know, when you say like, oh, it'll maybe be banned in our life.
I do believe it'll be banned in our lifetime.
It's like, it's kind of like, you know, if you have an employee and you're like, when is this project going to get done?
And they're like, well, maybe in our lifetime, you're like, well, I don't know if you're winning.
Right.
And in my, and, you know, it's one thing to like, obviously you're going to list the stats or what, you know, give anecdotal stories.
But when I look outside, you know, one out of three women have had an abortion and we're getting pills in the mail now.
And I think it's disgusting, but I just see it as a losing cause.
Like, I just, I see it as you guys lost.
Well, here's, here's a few things to consider, Pearl, hopefully to encourage you.
So first of all, there are 12 states that have banned abortion.
That's a big deal.
In 12 states, it is illegal to kill a baby.
And that is huge progress.
And they reported that after Roe v. Wade fell, another huge victory just three years ago, Roe v. Wade was overruled.
Now we have the opportunity to protect life.
That's a huge opportunity.
There were 40,000 more babies born the next year than the year prior that otherwise would have been killed if abortion hadn't been made illegal.
So lives are being saved on a daily basis because of pro-life laws.
And even we have a lot more to do, but that is a good thing that we have to do that.
They looked into that, though, and they saw that women are going to other states to get the abortion and plan B sales are going up.
I just don't see a baby boom coming anytime soon.
I see the birth rate going down.
I see if abortion decreases.
I looked into this.
Plan B increases.
So I think you're talking about the abortion pill, right?
I'm saying there's more abortion pills.
Well, there's plan B and then there's the abortion pill.
I believe those are you wouldn't you know they're different things.
Yeah, so so here's the thing.
I hear what you're saying and yes, there is you could call it like the black market and this is gonna happen even after abortion is banned.
You know, when we ban something like murder fraud rape whatever, sometimes the bad thing still happens to some degree, right?
So I'm not gonna say oh, it's possible to make sure that no one ever commits any sin again.
That's not possible right in this life.
You know, before one day, hopefully on our, on our journey to heaven, we can be perfected, you know, by God's grace right, but we can fight towards justice and we should fight towards justice for our laws, in our society and in in Texas.
As an example, Texas banned abortion and the birth rate did go up in Texas Pearl, despite the fact that yes, some women went out of state.
You know my state of California, horrific like one.
I think.
The number was around 40,000 more lives no, I mean one, one kid per, because we're at like one point something for the birth rate.
So what?
To one point, the birth.
The birth rate is very low, it's below replacement rate.
But my point is, lives are being saved.
That's my point and that's a good thing.
To celebrate every single one of those lives, and I'm not saying that's a bad, you know, I'm all for it.
But you have to understand that still sounds like a losing cause to me, like it doesn't sound like you guys are winning here.
Here's another perspective for you.
So throughout human history, and certainly in American history, there have been a number of injustices or abuses.
Right, and I remember studying the history of social reform to look at different injustices like let's look at slavery as an example in America there were a lot of people slavery was deeply embedded in, at least, you know, the entire southern part of America.
Right, it was a core part of the economy.
It was a poor core part of the culture.
People thought it was normal.
You know people, that there's no way we're going to eradicate slavery.
There is no way.
And the abolitionists at the time were told that as much.
They said there's no way you're going to solve this problem.
There's a lot of, you know, reasons that they had for that.
We could get into it doesn't, doesn't matter.
The point is they said there's no way.
And people said we're going to make a way, we're going to fight for this, even if it's difficult, even if people tell us it's.
You know it's not going to happen.
We're going to believe that it can happen and we're going to work to, you know, change hearts and minds.
We're going to work to protect life ultimately and in the end yes, through a lot of you know.
Yes, there was a horrific civil war, but in the end, we were able to eradicate slavery later on, eradicate Jim Crow.
That took time.
It took a lot of.
You know what the difference was.
It was.
You know what the difference was then.
It was it was successful.
Do you know what the difference since then right sorry, can you say one more time?
Did you say, do you know what the difference is?
Yeah, you know what the difference was back then.
Well, how do you see the difference?
Women didn't vote.
Women have too much power.
I, I don't think that's the reason we had slavery, because women no no, i'm saying men have a tendency to have more it.
Could you not?
You're on my show, you know, you gotta, you gotta, let me talk.
Are you saying that?
Women, let's make sure i'm tracking your youth?
I'm saying that men have a tendency, and not all.
I'm on Youtube, so I have to.
I have to say not all, but men have a tendency to do the right thing where women have a tendency to do the wrong thing, and And so now that women have had all this voting power the last hundred years, I mean, really, you know, abortion's gone up, promiscuity's gone up, and the family unit's gone down.
So I just could not see something that is so moral being passed in my lifetime because women are the primary voting block.
And as you said earlier, Democrats and Republicans, they both have to cater to women.
That's the challenge we're going to have.
And that's why what I'm not saying is that the pro-life movement is bad or wrong or that even, but I do see them as ineffective and a losing cause.
I don't really, I think Roe versus Wade was the last victory they'll really have in our lifetime.
And I also believe that we really have better things to worry about because it's been so ineffective.
Yeah, I just totally disagree.
I think every life saved is worth celebrating and we're saving more as we go.
And this thing about women voting and, you know, that's led to all the problems.
I mean, slavery existed in America before women could vote.
So I'm not sure your argument follows that, oh, before women voted, you know, everything was hunky-dory in the US.
No, I didn't say that.
So the argument is that men will do something moral even at the cost of themselves.
So even like they will vote or pass something that is morally right, even if it's at a cost to themselves at times.
Women are not the same way.
They vote very selfishly.
And abortion gives women power over who is born.
So they're just never going to give that up ever.
I think you're casting really big generalizations about men versus women.
And I think you're kind of speaking to maybe the virtue of fortitude, where people do, you know, are courageous or do what's right even when it's hard.
But I think men and women are different.
Well, let me just finish what I was going to say.
I think women can have that virtue too.
So I don't think that there's like an exclusively male virtue to do what's right or an exclusively female virtue to be loving or something like this.
So I disagree with the broad strokes that you're painting here.
But I would ask you, it sounds like we agree, which is a good thing, that abortion is murder.
Abortion is horrible.
Abortion is wrong.
We agree on that.
And if we agree on that, I guess my question to you, Pearl, be why wouldn't you want to fight that?
Even if it would only help save one life, wouldn't it be worth it to you to still speak out against it, to still advocate for the rights of those children?
Well, and I think this is what women have a tendency to do is they think that talking into a microphone like saves lives, right?
I don't really believe, again, I don't believe the pro-life movement is effective.
I think it's easy to like take the credit, but I think that women that don't want to abort their kids will find the resources to not.
The same way somebody that wants to lose weight will find the resources to not do that.
I think if they found your organization, they really didn't want to do it to begin with because like, you know, women aren't aborting NBA players' kids or like rich men's kids in general.
I mean, there's broad strokes, obviously.
And I also don't really understand the...
I think that's totally untrue, by the way, but I don't know where you're getting that from.
There was this viral story.
There was a viral story from...
Women steal condoms.
Women steal condoms, Lila, from the NBA.
So this was a problem.
This was a problem where they had to issue out statements telling men to throw away their condoms because women were stealing it.
I don't think it's untrue that women have a tendency to try to get kids off of wealthy men.
If anything, you congratulated Ashley St. Clair for doing that.
Exactly.
You congratulated her when she was pregnant by Elon Musk's baby, which she planned for years.
So I don't know when it's in front of your face how you can deny that happens.
So, well, a couple things.
First of all, when it comes to congratulating, you're mentioning Ashley St. Clair for her baby.
I think any baby's existence is a beautiful gift and deserves celebration.
So that's the first thing I'll say.
The second thing, no matter how they were conceived, Pearl, no matter how they were conceived, they are a gift from God and they deserve a right to life and they deserve celebration.
But then another thing I'll say is you seem to be continually doing these broad brush strokes of all women this, all women that, all men this, all men that.
I don't think that's at all.
I don't think that's reality.
And I think it's really unhelpful to paint such broad brushes because certainly there are women that do terrible things.
Certainly there are men that do terrible things, but I don't think it's going to be useful ultimately to say all men are this way, all women are this way.
But why don't we focus on the argument instead of why don't we focus on instead of tone policing?
Because right now you're basically saying, I don't like the way you said it, which is fine.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying what you're saying is untrue.
There's a difference.
I don't say how you're saying that.
What did I say that?
Did Ashley St. Clair not try to get a kid off of Elon Musk?
Did that not happen?
That's not what I was talking about.
I was talking about you saying women are all like this.
That's not what I said, though.
Okay, what is it?
No, you, you claimed that.
What if I said something untrue?
So tell me exactly what I said.
The characterization that all women try to do X, right?
I said they have a tendency.
I said have a tendency.
Well, I just disagree that all women have this tendency to go after rich men and try to, whatever you were saying, you know, I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's true.
Okay, well, what data do you have to prove it?
Well, I can have you meet at least, I know hundreds of women personally that that's not how they behave.
So right there, I just, you know, I proved you wrong.
Because I know someone, that's not a good argument, Lila.
I mean, it might work on.
If you're saying I'm the trad people you argue with, that doesn't work on me.
Like, you know, are they just women have this tendency, but they're not, all women are not doing that, then I think that that is not a correct characterization of the people.
Women tend to divorce men that they out-earn.
Women tend to marry men and have children with men that earn.
Aren't you conservative?
Protect, provide.
You don't want provider men?
I think that's good.
I'm not sure how that connects back to what we were just talking about.
Yes, I think it's wonderful when men provide.
Okay.
The other thing you said, where are you going with all of this?
Because I am curious if I may ask you another question.
You know, you're saying the pro-life movement has, you know, no hope and it's pointless.
But I just explained to you.
I said it's ineffective.
Well, you were saying it's ineffective, but I just explained to you that as one example, there were 40,000 lives saved when Roe v. Wade fell.
Roe v. Wade would not have fallen without the pro-life movement.
So are those 40 lives, 40,000 lives, in your view, not, they don't matter.
That means that the pro-life movement is ineffective because those 40,000 lives were saved.
I believe that those women, if they wanted to have a child, they would have it.
And if they didn't want to have a kid, they wouldn't.
I think oftentimes people on the internet have a tendency to think and attribute everything to themselves.
But the same way that the same way, like if I was a personal training page, right?
And somebody found me to lose weight.
If they didn't find me, they would have found somebody else.
They wanted to lose weight.
I believe that when women, women, I believe ultimately your actions show what you want to do.
Not what you say, but what you actually do.
So that's how I. What would be your recommended solutions to abortion to save lives?
What would you do?
I don't think it's solvable, unfortunately.
I think women are root.
Women have a tendency, have a tendency to be ruthless.
And I've shown women videos of abortions and with a cold face, they don't care.
I've met women that have had five abortions.
They do not care.
Women are very callous and cold.
I mean, there's a reason women, even when a kid's born in the first year, if there is an infanticide, I'm sure you know the stat, the most likely person to do it is the mother.
The most likely person to abuse a child when it's one of the biological parents is the mother.
So women are violent.
Women are far more violent than society gives them credit for.
They're also the most likely to abuse the elderly.
When it comes to killing the innocent, oh my gosh, women are ruthless.
I think you could try to logic women.
That's a strategy.
I don't think it's an effective one because I don't think they care.
And the reason I don't think they care is because, you know, I've been pro-life from a young age, like quote-unquote pro-life.
I haven't believed in abortion from a young age.
And it's because I wanted to find the information, right?
It's on Google.
There's nothing stopping a woman from finding that information, but they choose to not because they don't want to.
So I don't see women stopping killing their kids ever, ever.
I mean, Pearl, by your logic, let's be real here, Pearl.
By your logic, you're saying women are so evil, they're going to kill no matter what.
They kill their born children too.
Let me just finish, please.
And any of the world population, that's pretty bad.
Let me just finish, Pearl.
Give me one second here.
By your logic, we should just get rid of murder laws.
We should just get rid of laws that govern the behavior of women because they're so bad, they're going to always do bad stuff.
And I'd say, absolutely not.
The law is a teacher.
The law does have power.
That doesn't mean everybody perfectly will follow the law.
I would love for it.
I would love for laws.
I totally would love for it to be illegal.
If it was up to me.
Well, good.
I'm glad we agree on that, Michael.
We would agree, but it doesn't mean that I think it'll happen.
And I think what I often hear conservatives are.
Well, help me out there, Pearl.
I mean, starting with that.
What I often hear, can I finish?
So, and I often hear conservatives say is they say the word should.
Well, should is just a wish list.
It's just, I wish that would happen.
And, you know, anyone that's like run a company or, you know, like if I went to an army general and said there shouldn't be war, he would say, wow, that sounds nice.
Well, what's your plan?
How are we going to end this war in the next year?
And he says, well, I think it'll happen in my lifetime.
If I was the general, I would say, I don't know if, I don't know if we're going to win this war.
That's not a great strategy.
And what I've heard just really aren't the best strategies.
And I don't know if there is a way to win because women have too much voting power.
Well, listen, I think that the kind of argument you're making that it's so difficult, there's so much entrenched interest for why people would want abortion.
And so they're not going to, we're never going to get rid of it.
You could make that argument about other human rights abuses historically.
You can make that argument about racism in Jim Crow.
You can make that argument too about slavery.
It was certainly a very, there's a huge financial interest for slaveholders.
So you can make those arguments about other evils that we have overcome historically.
So I think it really is going to come down to willpower.
And it's going to come down to a lot of grace from God.
I don't think that this is just a physical battle.
This is a spiritual battle too.
It's going to come down to a lot of supporting the needs of people and education.
And it is going to come down to the law.
And so we're going to continue to work.
I mean, I'd love to have your support and backing, Pearl.
I get it that you're saying, yeah, it's a helpless fight, but we're going to keep crusading and we're going to continue to work.
So that's not just 12 states that bans abortions.
It's 13 states and then 14 states and 15 states.
We're going to continue the crusade until every child.
If the crusade is an eighth of the world population aborted, I just don't think you're winning.
I don't think you're close.
That's my point.
I think there's a lot of work to do.
I agree with you.
But I wish there's been a lot of victories as well.
And we're going to keep working.
Well, yeah, I just, I would get a better plan than maybe it's like in the next year, we'll achieve this, this, and this.
You know, then you might get it.
We'll keep working on it, Pearl.
Trust me.
Every day, that's the question of how do we do this more strategically?
I mean, right now, the big fight I'll just tell you is defunding Planned Parenthood.
And I'll explain why.
They're getting $800 million every single year from taxpayers.
I mean, they're an almost $2 billion group.
You look at the pro-life movement, the total amount of resources in the pro-life movement, including all the pregnancy resource centers, you're talking completely is dwarfed by Planned Parenthood's budget, right?
800 million bucks from the government.
They get to then turn that money around for their propaganda machine and media, for their political machine in the Democratic Party, for their academia, you know, relationships.
They're in the school system.
They're doing all of their propaganda in the school system.
That's all because they're being tax funded.
So right now, there's an opportunity really of a lifetime because we technically have the Republicans, right, have power over the House, enough power in the Senate, and they have the White House that they could defund Planned Parenthood right now.
And so one of the big things that we're calling for is get the job done, defund, and try to get all the people who are politically engaged who, you know, would say I'm conservative or I'm Republican or I care about life to say, let's get this thing done and defund.
And there has been some defunding that's happened.
It's a small amount in the tens of millions.
The whole thing needs to be defunded.
If that were to happen, that would be a huge step forward for the pro-life movement.
And I think that is within the possibility at this time politically.
So that's one thing we're working on.
Yeah, I just think there's bigger issues.
Unfortunately, that may be a problem.
Bigger issues.
Pearl, what is a bigger issue than the killing of 3,000 babies a day?
Crime, taxes.
What is a bigger crime than killing 3,000 babies a day?
It's a good idea.
Yeah, but women are going to do that anyway.
My God, you're not going to take that.
I don't believe you'll take that away from them.
I looked up the infant mortality rate in the 1800s, and it was very similar to the abortion rate today.
I believe that women have always killed their kids.
I think it's a terrible thing, but I think a lot of, like, I don't really see nagging women into stopping aborting their kids as being effective.
I hope so, you know, but yeah.
I think maybe where you and I disagree is I think that people do have the power to choose to do the good, including the women that you, you know, have such a negative view of.
I think people have the power to choose to do good.
And I think we need to urge them to do it.
We need to celebrate them when they're heard of women.
And this is for both women and men, by the way.
And so, and I do think that by God's grace, you know, we've been given the gift of a mind to mind to think and a will to choose.
And I think it is important to speak the truth again and again, especially in a culture like today where there's so many lies being told, so many rationalizations for evil.
We got to speak the truth.
And it does convict people.
There are people still have consciences, even if they're seared.
Yes.
And truth does have the power to convict people.
See, this is kind of the difference between men and women: women have a tendency to think that speaking into a microphone is going to do a lot more than I believe it does.
Why do you speak to me?
Men on your stage.
I report the news.
Why do you do your podcast project?
What is your goal?
If you think it's meaningless, to be accurate.
And so I think it's inaccurate.
I think it's inaccurate to paint women to even say that women are ever going to stop killing their kids when one out of three women have done it.
I just think that's inaccurate.
Just to be clear, Pearl, it sounds like you're saying people's minds are made up.
People have their evil natures.
They're going to do what they're going to do.
What's the point?
My goal is to do that.
Follow incentives.
People follow incentives.
That's my point.
If I can just say something here.
My question to you is: why do you do what you do if you think people's minds are all made up?
They're just going to be the way that they are.
Because I always felt like conservatives similar to you and other conservatives were inaccurate because they want to be right and they want to push their religion.
So it's very important to me that I'm accurate with what's going on.
But what's the point of being accurate if it's not going to make any difference to your point?
What's the point of being accurate?
Yeah, you're saying, oh, I'm doing this to be accurate, even though it's not going to make any difference because people's minds are made up and they're also evil.
So I'm just trying to.
I didn't say that they're evil.
If you do this woman, you put words in my mouth.
I didn't say they're evil.
Well, you said you indicated that people have always killed their babies.
People have these bad natures.
I think you're referring to general speakers.
People tend to do what's best for themselves.
And if it's in a woman's best interest to kill the kid, she's going to do it most likely.
And me moralizing and saying, oh, like it's really easy for me to come on here and say, oh, this is so wrong.
Like then you look good, right?
You get the virtue signal.
It's great.
But it doesn't change the fact that women are going to do it, in my opinion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I hear what you're saying, but I think you're wrong.
I think definitely people do change their mind.
They do choose not to have abortions all the time.
And I think making it illegal, making abortion illegal also helps a lot with getting women to not have abortions.
That has been proven based on the increase in live births in the years after abortion laws have gone into effect.
This argument that people are always going to sin.
So therefore, we should just legally permit the sin and give up the project.
I did not say it.
That's not the problem.
No, but that's the lie.
I said, I'm not a lawmaker.
That's the premise of your argument, though, Pearl.
I'm not a lawmaker.
Like, I'm not, my point is I can't change the laws.
This isn't make a wish, right?
This isn't, if I could, I would, but I can't.
Okay.
Sure.
I mean, I understand you're not a lawmaker, but I don't know how that's relevant to what I was just saying.
I mean, it sounds like your position is you're kind of saying, give up the pro-life fight.
It's not worth it.
Because people are, that's not what you said.
I said you guys are ineffective, and I don't think you're winning.
Yeah.
I don't think you're winning.
Right.
Yeah.
Then how does a pro-life movement become more effective?
How should we win?
Tell me how to win, Pearl.
I wish I could.
I think it's a losing cause because women want to kill their kids.
That's we're talking in circles a little here because it sounds like you're saying, well, it's a losing cause because women are always just going to want to kill your kids.
Is that your position?
Yeah.
You guys are not going to win this.
And what I'm saying in response to that, the argument that, well, they're always going to do the bad thing.
So why try?
Right.
That argument.
They're always going to do the sin.
They're always going to do the bad thing.
So why even try to persuade them?
I don't really care if you try.
Like it's not.
Or to establish laws otherwise.
I think that's a faulty position to take because I think people, laws do matter.
And I think that people can be persuaded, not all, but some.
And I do think what you said earlier was good.
I thought I liked what you said about, well, I believe in accuracy.
You seem to be talking about the importance of truth.
I think that's what you were getting at.
I think the truth matters.
And the truth can convict people.
It can move people.
Not everyone, but many people.
And I think it's important to not just work for legal change, but to continue to speak the truth in as many different ways as possible to as many different people as possible, because I do think it makes a difference, not with everybody, but with some.
Yeah, but it's going to be a small minority.
You can agree with me.
I mean, it will depend on the person.
Well, we can agree that if a third of women are having abortions, it's really not going, like, they're not going to stop anytime soon significantly, right?
One other morality, right?
Like, we're not going to drop it from a third to 10% in the next five years, let's say, of a woman having abortions.
Well, if we get the funding away from Planned Parenthood, they will close a lot of their facilities.
And if we get the abortion pill, if not off the market, at least put regulations back on, which is a bare minimum thing.
I mean, you shouldn't be regulating an evil pill that kills babies.
It should be taken off the market.
But at minimum, if this administration claims to be Republican, even or in support of Maha, they say they're all about making Americans healthy.
Again, that sounds like a laudable goal.
Well, why are you allowing the abortion pill, which is lethal, which kills babies, which lands one out of every 20 four women in the emergency room?
Why are you allowing this on the market?
So there are things that could be done politically right now that would be very consequential in saving lives.
They could be, but I wouldn't predict it because women vote.
So I don't think the incentive is.
This isn't about voting because these people are already in power, Pearl.
And some women actually help women.
But let me just get reelected.
Go ahead.
One other quick thing, too, is: you know, the 14th Amendment matters here.
We actually already have a law in our Constitution, you know, the governing legal body for our entire American project.
The 14th Amendment says, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So already our Constitution under the 14th Amendment says that every person should be given equal protection under the law.
That means that those homicide laws, those murder laws that already exist in our country should apply to babies because they are just as human as you are to me.
So I think we need to continue to make these cases.
It will influence people as well as we continue to legislate.
And yeah, this is not an easy fight.
I'm not going to sit here and be Pollyanna and say, oh, it's so easy, no big deal.
It's going to work out.
Everything's fine.
This is a huge fight we're undertaking and it's not resourced enough.
It needs to be more resourced.
But there is progress that is definitively being made.
And we are on the cusp of potentially substantial more progress.
And I think right now is a time to lean in and keep fighting, not to back down and say, oh, I give up.
Everybody's, you know, everyone is all lost.
Everyone's sincere.
I believe in radical acceptance.
So I believe in accepting the things that I can and cannot control.
So there's some things I just can't control.
Why do you keep talking about women then?
And I believe that women control it.
It can't impact them.
You go on these monologues and you interrupt a lot.
You know, I'm just letting you know.
I believe that women killing their kids is out of my control because they've always done it.
I hope you guys make some progress.
I wouldn't predict it.
That's my opinion.
Well, I appreciate your hope, Pearl.
Yeah.
So I appreciate that.
I want to talk about that.
But I think it, I think, I'll just say one quick last thing.
I think that it's important that we don't, I would say that saying, well, it's always been this way.
It's always going to be that way.
I would say if that's our posture, then yeah, it might never change.
But throughout human history, when there have been huge changes, when there have been huge injustices that have been rectified or overcome, it's because people stood up and woke up and said, I'm going to do something about this.
And that's the spirit that drives our movement.
And that's what's going to continue to win, make wins that we've had and get to more wins.
Yeah, I think that sounds nice, but I don't think it's the most pragmatic.
So I wanted to move on to the next.
Would you agree that women are not actually?
Let me say this in a different way.
You know that 75% of abuse towards children is from women, right?
You know, that stat I haven't heard that particular stat, but that's horrible if true.
I mean, it's all very horrible.
Okay.
I don't necessarily think women are as nurturing as conservatives make us out to be.
And I think women are far more violent than conservatives really talk about.
And the reason I think that is because of the abuse towards children and their inclination towards killing their kids.
Would you disagree with that?
So you're saying you think conservatives think women are more nurturing than they are.
Yeah.
I think that women by nature.
I think men are the nurturing gender, but go ahead.
Okay.
I mean, it's an interesting theory.
I think that men can absolutely be very nurturing.
I do think that there's sometimes a stereotype about men, like they're not nurturing.
And I don't think that's true.
I think women are designed to be nurturing.
And it's a very defective society that produces unnurturing women.
And that's a very, that's a big tragedy.
It's really sad.
And I agree with you that American society, because of abortion, quite frankly, and the sexual revolution, has created a generation of people that struggle to be their natural design, maybe even more than former generations, because we objectify each other so much with pornography, because of the sexual revolution, because abortion and contraception is just right there.
It's like, okay, of course I'm going to have sex aside of marriage, no big deal.
Okay, abortion's the back of contraception.
So yeah, I agree with you as far as the 100,000 foot view of society today.
There's a lot of defectiveness in the kinds of ways that we're shaping, how we're shaping people.
So what makes you blame society and not women?
So because I hear this a lot.
I'm going to make my case and then you can go.
So I hear this a lot from conservatives that it's always the default.
Whenever there's a negative trait about women, they always tend to blame society.
So if women are choosing, because we have the choice to do anything now.
So if we're not choosing to be mothers and we're choosing to be violent towards our children, maybe that's just by and large how women are.
Why is it that society is pressuring women to do it or society is I heard you say propaganda earlier.
I just, when I look at the women I know personally that have had abortions, I didn't see propaganda that made them want to do it.
They were just selfish.
They just wanted to do other things rather than be a mom.
One wanted to be a nurse and one was just crazy irresponsible.
I don't think it was propaganda when I see in the real world.
I don't think they were coerced.
I think they were just selfish people.
So what makes you blame society and not the woman?
So I don't know that it's such a binary of, oh, you only blame society and you don't blame the woman.
I think, of course, people are responsible for their actions 100%.
And, you know, I would say it's similar to saying, okay, the society is so pornified, right?
There's porn everywhere.
The average age of exposure to porn is like seven or eight years old, right?
There's a ton of men who are addicted to pornography.
I would say that that is in part a problem with our society, right?
So you can say, well, isn't it the men's fault they're addicted to pornography?
Well, it's also society's fault because we're so pornified and they're growing up in a culture that's so dark and that it has pornography.
Can we say corn?
Can we say a moment away on the internet?
Can we say corn just for the YouTube?
I'm sorry, sure, corn.
Yeah.
But do you see what I'm saying?
So I don't think this is like giving special women a pass or giving men a pass.
My argument would be our society is really broken right now.
People still have responsibility for their actions, but we're making it easier for people to commit vice by having pro-abortion laws, by encouraging sexual promiscuity via things like Planned Parenthood sex education in our schools.
goals, right?
Via things like pornography or sorry, pornography, however you say it, you know, for YouTube regulations, whatever.
But I think that makes it easier for people to commit sin or easier for people to get into habits or be habituated to sin.
voted for it what do you mean voted for who voted for these things You're saying who voted for the sexual revolution and hookup culture?
what exactly are you speaking to who is responsible for hookup culture who is responsible for this culture I mean, well, you could go look at the history of the sexual revolution.
So there's Hugh Kefner, there's Larry Lader, there's a number of, you know, these, you know, Alfred Kinsey is a huge one.
I don't know if you're familiar with Alfred Kinsey.
For women wanting to be whores, Lila?
Come on.
Well, I don't know that.
I think we're maybe talking past each other now, but you're asking me about how did we get to the point?
I think you were asking me.
It's a little unclear sometimes what you're trying to ask, but I think you were asking me, how did we get to this point where we have all this sexualization in our culture because who voted for it?
I think that was your question.
I'm saying who voted for sex ed in school?
Who wants abortion?
Who wants hookup culture?
Who voted for this stuff?
Well, I don't know that people are voting for sex ed in school.
That's not like an up-down vote.
So the way it works, if just look back on the history of the sexual revolution, you had in the early on, you know what I'm asking.
What are you asking?
What are you asking?
Come on.
Who's voting, Democrat?
that?
Who's voting Democrat?
Men or women?
Okay.
I mean, both vote Democrat, but are you saying that more women are voting Democrat than men have?
In the last hundred years, if only men voted, it would be 100% conservative presidents elected.
Women are voting for this.
Who is responsible for opening up their legs?
The law permits that says you cannot force a woman to have sex with you.
A guy...
So women are opening up their legs to men.
So I would say that it's responsible for this.
It sounds like you're kind of taking a posture here because you're kind of acting like, oh, you know, you must think women don't hold any responsibility for their actions.
And I don't think that I've never, I haven't said that.
So it sounds like we're maybe talking past each other here a little bit.
I don't know how productive that is.
But I would say if we're going to talk about, you know, how did we get to where we are today?
If that's the discussion here, like, how did we get to where we are?
So maybe we can discover how do we solve the problems of the day, right?
You can look at it through a lens of, oh, it's all, you know, this particular block of women who are voting left every day, all day long, right?
You could say, you could make an argument like that.
I would want to go back and look even further and say, okay, what are the ideologies, right, that are driving people's, yeah, voting decisions is part of it, but most importantly, actually, it's their behaviors because the sexual revolution wasn't the consequence of voting.
The sexual revolution was a consequence of people saying, aha, we're liberated.
I just noticed whenever I say something like women, whenever you say something's women's fault, you'll always find a way to like divert and blame it on either society or basically a man.
So that's not accurate, Pearl.
I don't know where you're getting that.
Okay, well, they can't.
I'm just saying the broad sweeping, I'm what I would say is the broad sweeping generalizations that you seem to be making are not particularly useful in actually diagnosing the problem of where we're at today and how we got here.
And if you, you know, I can, I was kind of trying to speak to the sexual revolution and how we got here ideologically and also technologically, because the advent of the birth control pill, I think, was also a big impetus, quite frankly, for the sexual revolution.
And so now we think, oh, sex can be separated from procreation, right?
That's no problem.
Just have sex.
It's not a big deal.
Well, sex is a big deal.
It can create new life.
Abortions being used as backup contraception, right?
So I think part of the issue is, you know, the public funding of abortion and contraception via Planned Parenthood is a huge issue that we can fight on a public policy level.
And then on an education level, you know, undoing all the nonsense that's being taught about sex and about, you know, human identity, I think that's a big project.
Is everybody going to listen?
Is everybody going to just do what's right once they learn the truth?
Not no.
I'm not saying everyone's just going to listen, but I think it's important to still speak the truth and work to educate people, both men and women.
You know, everybody needs that.
So, okay.
So I wanted to move on to the next topic.
So I hear you talk a lot about marriage.
So I would love for you to sell me marriage.
What benefit does marriage have for men?
Yeah.
Well, I would start by saying marriage is not for everyone.
So I don't want to come in here and be like, everybody has to get married because it's not for everyone.
I believe marriage is a calling.
It's very beautiful.
I believe it's for maybe many people, even most people.
But, you know, I think some people might have a different calling.
So I want to start with that.
I think that also if somebody is, you know, look maybe because of divorce in their past, meaning they were a child of divorce or, you know, seeing abuse in their household with their mother, their mother was abusive or their father was abusive or there was neglect, whatever it was, they might have a lot of wounds, right?
That makes it difficult for them to imagine a happy life with a family, a happy marriage, happy children.
And so I think there's a lot of people like that today.
And I would say we need to work on discovering healing, finding healing, because people aren't going to want to get married if they think marriage is miserable or they think that marriage is just going to end in divorce or, you know, what is going to be happy with each other.
So what does he get?
What is he, what's in it for him?
For just any man, what would be in it?
A 28-year-old Ivy League.
Let's say he's 28 years old.
He's an Ivy League graduate at a law school.
I have a friend, 28 Ivy League grad.
He's going places in life.
What is in it for him to get married?
What does he do?
I mean, it's not, just to be clear, if this is where you're going with this, I wouldn't be like, oh, 28-year-old man in Ivy League in Harvard, if I was like talking to him right now, I'd be like, you have to get married.
I don't know that he should get married.
It might not be his calling.
Many of them, I think, will get married.
It's a beautiful thing, a good thing.
So where are you going with this?
Are you trying to say men should, is it your position that men should never get married?
And I guess women then, no one should get married to each other, period.
I don't tell your position.
I don't tell people what to do.
I simply asked.
Why are you asking?
So you don't have a position on this, you're saying?
I say do what you want, but I hear conservatives.
Well, if you want to get married, I hear conservatives sell marriage.
I believe I've seen tweets from you that are pushing like marriage and getting married.
So I'm asking you, if you're going to sell it and push that, what is in it for the man?
What does he get?
He says, Lila, I want to, what do I get out of a Catholic marriage or out of marriage in general?
Well, let's make a couple important distinctions.
You're saying, oh, you push marriage in tweets.
And I definitely have talked about marriage being a very beautiful thing and a very good thing, which it is.
It's a sacrament, I believe, and it brings two people together in a beautiful relationship that is between them and God, and they can bring life into the world.
I think that's amazing.
And we need strong marriages for any strong civilization.
So I'm going to say that proudly.
And, you know, I don't, I think that's good to say, but that doesn't mean everybody.
I'm going to go say everybody in the world has to go get married then.
So I don't know.
I don't know what you're going to do.
I would say I definitely promote marriage.
It's a good thing.
And we need healthy and strong marriages.
So if it's a good thing, what does it mean?
But I'm not going to say everybody should get married.
I don't think that's correct.
That's totally fine.
But I'm asking, what does he get out of it?
You mean, what does any hypothetical man get out of any hypothetical marriage?
Is that your question?
I gave you a hypothetical guy.
So like, what does he get out of marriage?
Well, let's say ask me that to get out of marriage.
I mean, he's in this marriage freely.
So put your hypothetical.
I want to make sure he's not like being forced into getting married because then it's like, don't do it.
Right.
Or he's marrying some bad, you know, he's marrying somebody who is not a woman of virtue, not a woman who shares his values.
But if you're a man and you desire marriage and you're working on bettering yourself, I would encourage you to look for a virtuous woman.
Look for one that shares your values.
Look for somebody that you can see her family background.
You can see her history.
And she's trying to live a good life.
She's trying to live a life of virtue.
She's trying to, you know, she's open to life herself.
She wants to be a mother.
She's open to, you know, loving any children you might create.
I think, you know, you obviously have attraction for each other.
I think those are all beautiful things.
And if you're a man considering marriage, you should weigh those things.
And then if you were to find a woman like that, get married.
I mean, women, according to the women, men and women, according to the social data who get married are happier.
And men who get married are wealthier because they have a family project they're now working towards.
So in that sense, marriage can be a very beautiful thing and a beautiful choice for some men.
Right.
But I still am not hearing what he gets in return.
So he can make more money.
Well, I just said he often statistically do better financially.
Right.
You said he can.
Are you aware of that?
Yeah, you said he can make more money that his family can spend.
So he gets to pay for more people.
So well, I didn't say that exactly, but that is true.
It's family.
Which is fine.
That's true.
But I just want to purpose in that, right?
I want to actually, I think I maybe probably said it.
But are you aware of the social data about men and marriage and how men who get married, they do do better typically, not all, but overall, economically.
And there's a reason for that.
They have a driving purpose in their life where they're working for the sake of their family.
Also, women who get married similarly, women who get married similarly are more happier and satisfied according to social surveys.
So both men and women experience these advantages when they get married in general.
I'm not saying it's for everybody, but in general.
I mean, they can make a survey that says that, but when half of women are fat and a quarter of marriages are sexless, that's not really what we're seeing.
And the average marriage is eight years.
You could put a survey in front of me, but when every other person's getting divorced, even so-called conservative women, you could say that it doesn't mean it's true, right?
I personally, I think it's a bad deal.
I think it's an unfavorable deal to men.
Would you get married, Pearl?
Just curious.
I don't understand.
You don't have to answer if you don't.
I don't understand what my personal situation has to do with it.
I may, I may not.
But my question is for men, it's simply an unfavorable deal, in my opinion.
And I just would love to hear if conservatives are going to say it's this beautiful, awesome thing.
Well, it would be good to answer the question, what do men get out of it?
Well, the biggest thing that men would get, and women get this exact same thing, when they're entering marriage with God as a sacrament, the whole point of marriage is sanctification, a journey to heaven.
And so the ultimate prize of marriage would be heaven.
And I'm not saying that you can't go to heaven without marriage.
Of course you can go to heaven without marriage, but it's a sanctification.
It's a family, a school of love for you to grow in virtue and grow in love of God and each other.
Right.
But you said they can get heaven without it, too.
Yeah, if you're called that way, not everyone.
As I said before, not everyone's called to get married.
Okay.
But some are, many are.
Anything else they get out of it?
Well, I mean, heaven's pretty great.
Being married to your best friend, I think that's a beautiful thing.
Children are absolutely a beautiful gift.
Yeah, but children drive the personality.
Children that we have now, they don't need marriage to get that anymore.
Yeah, just to finish, I think children are the crown of a marriage.
They're the most beautiful gift of a marriage is a child.
And yes, you can have children outside of marriage, but I would not recommend it.
I don't think that's good for you or the children.
Well, what's the difference?
Well, I think, I mean, I don't know your personal experience, but if you just live with someone and you stay together forever, what's the difference?
Well, I think that marriage is this public declaration before not just other people, but to God.
And it's a covenant where you're promising, you know, for life to love this person, even with sacrifices, exclusively, faithfully, to be open to life.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
I mean, I don't know habitation.
Yeah, but God doesn't stop these women from divorces.
There was someone in the, even the Catholic, I can't remember their name, but even recently in the Catholic community, one of the worst divorces I ever saw was from Michael Knowles' church that he went to in California.
Like one of the worst, most brutal.
So God's not stopping these women that want to leave.
So how is it, like, I don't just don't see the difference.
Sure.
I mean, I think maybe we're talking past each other a little bit, but some of the social.
So look, look, we can talk about social data for a minute, right?
So social data shows this is a survey that looked at the happiness of men, you know, their personal happiness, right?
And 43% of men who say that they're very happy with life are, and this is men in their 20s and 30s, were married.
So the majority of the men who were very happy, or the largest single amount, I should say, of the men who said they were very happy with life were married.
So, I think marriage absolutely can be a source of great happiness for people.
Not all people, again, I'm not saying there aren't bad marriages.
I'm not saying that divorce isn't a major problem.
Those are all true things, but I think we sometimes kick marriage like a dog in today's culture.
Like, oh, marriage is so bad and marriage is worthless, marriage is useless.
I think that's totally untrue.
And marriage is beautiful, and it's a good thing ultimately.
Yeah, I would disagree because I think it gives the women leverage, and that's why women really like it is because now they have legal power over the husband.
So, I think it can really change the dynamic almost negatively in favor of the woman.
So, I think that's an interesting perspective, but I don't think you can really think it's a good thing.
Yeah, I don't really, and you said virtue.
How can we tell if a woman's virtuous, right?
Her actions.
Well, I do agree, it's her actions, not her words, her actions.
Definitely.
I think that's a great point, Pearl.
I think you can best know what someone's going to do, not by what they say necessarily, but how they behaved, how they behave.
And their actions do speak louder than words.
Words matter too, but actions speak louder than words.
I think that's a very wise observation that you're making.
Right.
So, if 95% of women aren't virgins on their wedding days, like how can the guy really see that she's virtuous?
Well, I would say in today's culture, unfortunately, you know, you were kind of speaking, maybe alluding to this earlier.
There are a lot of sexual, there's a lot of sexual promiscuity.
So, virginity is rare today.
That is a fact.
I think it's kind of making a comeback in some ways.
People are saying, hey, it's normal actually to not have sex before marriage.
And that's a good thing.
You know, people, I remember, you know, when I was, I remember being made fun of for being a virgin.
And unfortunately, some virgins are made fun of for that, right?
And that's a really gross thing that our culture might do or people might do.
But I think that I do think chastity and pure love, and at least in some circles, is making a comeback.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
And I also think people can choose to recommit themselves to a life of chastity, even if they've lived a very rough past.
And I think then that happens.
That's also very beautiful and good.
Right.
But there's nothing like, what's in it for the guy to do that when 70 to 80 percent of divorces are filed by women, 90 percent of alimony payments are men to women, the majority of child support payments are men to women.
The average marriage is eight years.
You know, on average, he gets a 28, 27-year-old non-virgin woman with X amount of sexual partners.
What does he get for taking on this astronomical risk?
Like, you know, if he has two kids with a woman, she garnishes 40% of his income for 18 years.
And you don't believe in prenups.
You don't even think, I've seen your tweet on that.
You don't even think he can mitigate against that.
So if that's the case, you know, what does he get?
Well, again, I mean, I did mention some of the social data that men who are married report that they're happier than men who are not.
Men who are married actually are attributing.
You're attributing that happiness.
You can just let me finish.
You're attributing the happiness to the women.
So like they're happy people.
Women like happy men.
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of social data that shows that men who are married are happier.
They're more happy with their sex lives.
They're more happy overall, you know, report higher levels of satisfaction.
Also, that they, you know, make more money.
Again, I'm not saying that's directly because of the marriage per se, but I'm saying that's important social data to look at because I do think there is some fear-mongering today about marriage being so bad.
You know, you're just going to get divorced.
It's miserable.
Everybody's out to get you.
It's going to be terrible.
Right.
And I think that we shouldn't live by fear or make decisions based off of fear.
We should, yes, look at the data, look at the information.
But when we're considering marriage, if that's a desire that somebody has, instead of looking at the broad brush of, oh, there's a lot of failed marriages out there, there's a lot of bad, you know, people doing bad things out there, instead look at, okay, what would I want in a marriage?
What kind of marriage would I want in terms of a spouse?
Sure, right?
And I think they should look for people that share their values, share their, you know, have virtues.
And that is going to be the most secure kind of partnership to build as opposed to somebody that is not aligned with them, with their values, with that kind of core foundation of what even marriage is, virtue, things like that.
Right.
But men, it's not really fear-mongering when men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after divorce.
I've interviewed men who've had their kids transitioned.
And this is not uncommon.
It's not just a fringe case.
This happens all the time with women that are, I mean, we saw what happened to Steven Crowder.
He married a virgin religious woman and she painted him as an abuser.
So you keep like diverting from the question.
I'm just saying if he's going to take on this astronomical risk, which could lead to indentured servitude, which 18 years, 40% of your income, that's a ton of money.
A ton.
And not to mention reputation.
I've interviewed men where the women actually called all of his business friends and ruined his business.
I've talked to men thrown in jail.
I've talked to men that had their kids transition.
This is a huge risk, Lila.
It's not really fear-mongering when these are real cases and it's not uncommon.
So I don't think it's on, I don't think it's wrong of me to say that this could happen and ask the question, what does the guy get out of this?
What is his reward?
Well, a few things.
First of all, I think marriage, the greater the risk, the greater the reward, right?
Marriage is self-gift.
Marriage is an all-in and it's becoming one flesh with someone else.
That is a huge risk.
It's for richer or for poorer.
It's for better or for worse.
It's in sickness and in health.
And that does expose someone.
But there's also this incredible potential for beauty, right?
As I was talking about earlier, it's a covenant.
It's a sacrament.
You can bring life into the world.
You can raise a family together.
This is the person that can be your best friend, your most faithful companion.
And I see marriages like this all the time.
Those marriages exist and I don't think they get enough airtime.
We don't talk about how good and beautiful marriage is designed to be and can be.
So I agree with you that there is chaos out there, that there are a lot of broken marriages, that there's a lot of suffering, but I don't think that should hold people back to say, well, then it's impossible for me.
I can never have a beautiful or good marriage.
So why don't you think women want to get married today?
I think there's a lot of women who want to get married today.
Well, then why don't I?
So I don't know.
I don't know.
You're talking about all women.
Who are you talking about?
When you say women, you like to say women a lot.
Do you, are you speaking about who are you exactly speaking about?
Because it seems like it would be, I think, much too much of an overgeneralization to say all women.
So what do you mean by women?
Most women don't want to get married when they have the most choice to.
The average age in marriage is around 30.
So your argument is that most women don't want to get married, is your position.
Yeah, if women wanted to, how do I see what people want to do, Lila?
Well, I'm just trying to track your argument here, Pearl.
So you're saying most women.
So you're saying most women don't want to get married.
And the way you know that is because there's a lot of unmarried women.
That seems like a pretty choice they make.
Yeah.
Well, I know a lot of women who are married.
So I don't know where you're kind of going with this.
There's certainly a lot of married women.
There's unmarried women.
How old are they?
How old are these married women?
I mean, all of these Gen Z. Gen Z only, it's like 10, 15% are married.
So if you know women under, because I'm the youngest millennial.
So 27 and younger, you can't know a ton because statistically, the majority just are not married.
Okay.
You had a tweet, and I can't remember the exact tweet off the top of my, but I just want to know why you think you said there's a reason women don't get married.
So, what is their reason?
Why?
So, you're asking me why don't some women get married?
I think there's going to be a lot of reasons why some women don't get married.
You can, there's a whole bunch of hypotheticals we could create here.
So, and we can do them for men too.
And some of the reasons will be the same, some will be different.
But I think some reasons women might not get married is because they feel like it's not meaningful enough.
It was just so sad, right?
They think it's not like going to be a beautiful thing.
It's somehow a burden, that having children is a burden.
Unfortunately, a lot of women today, not all, that there's definitely women today that see children as a burden.
And that's, you know, one of my projects of trying to speak to the beauty of children, the beauty of marriage.
Men are not threats.
Men are not your competitors.
Men are good.
They're good and they are designed for being in partnership with women.
That's a good thing.
So, you know, partner partnership.
What's that?
Like, partner, partnership, we're not equals.
I mean, that may be your opinion, but I think men and women have equal dignity before and as children of God.
So, I mean, that maybe you don't agree with that.
You would say you have less dignity than a man or I would say women have less value in terms of what they bring to a marriage and society.
Men produce a lot of people.
You're saying women don't have less value.
Men produce 80% of the world's stuff.
I think men are smarter.
I think they're able, women have a tendency to do things in the least effective way possible.
And I don't think unequal is necessarily a bad.
I don't think unequal is necessarily a bad thing.
I think there's hierarchy in the world, right?
I think it goes God, men, women, children.
Just because the kid has to listen to the mom, it doesn't mean the mom is, it doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing.
It just means there's a hierarchy.
So just to be clear, Peril, do you think that women have less value than men or do women have equal value to men?
I would say women provide less value than men.
Do women have the same value?
Do they possess it by nature of being a human being like men?
Do they have the same value?
It depends to who and what.
So you could say to God, but I'm not over.
Are they as valuable?
I'm not overly religious, but when I look at the value women bring in a marriage, I would say it's less than men.
Do you believe in universal human rights?
I think so, but I don't necessarily know what that would entail.
But it sounds like something else I believe in.
Do you think that men and women should have the same basic human rights, like the right to life, as an example?
They should have the right to life.
Voting, not necessarily that I don't think.
So I don't think there should be equal rights, but should is a wish list.
It's never going to happen.
So you think that women shouldn't vote is your position?
I can't argue about this son.
I can't say the answer to that.
And it's not because I don't want to, but I got to stay YouTube friendly.
But I could, I could, I could, I can't, I can't, I want to, but I can't.
I just got remonetized.
But wait, so you're, so you, I can't, I can't argue.
I can't argue that.
I can't.
I want to, but I can't.
But I just really want you're saying you're afraid you'll be demonetized on YouTube for I was demonetized for that topic.
So it's not a phrase like that happened.
So but I still want to go back to the question.
I still haven't gotten of what men get out of marriage.
I can do a lot of things.
I can keep going if you want.
But I'll go back to it because I think marriage, again, you can, it sounds like you're talking about a lot of the negative things, the broken things that can happen with marriage, which are all, I'm not going to say that's not that those things, bad things don't happen.
They absolutely can happen.
And our culture is kind of a mess right now with divorce and all these other things.
I agree with that.
But marriage is beautiful.
Marriage is about self-gift and it's about entering into a sacred covenant with another soul, you know, imperfect soul, but another soul who's oriented towards the same end, which is, I believe, heaven towards God, ultimately.
And it's the place where children deserve to be born into.
You know, I think that's another part of this conversation we're not maybe having enough is that kids deserve to be in a household with married parents, with a married mother and a married father.
Now, that's not the case, unfortunately, for many children today, but that is what we should strive towards.
Yeah, that's what the kid gets out of marriage, but not what the man.
So I keep asking what the man, what does he get?
Well, you kind of dismissed the social data I mentioned and didn't respond to it.
But according to the social data, men who are married report the highest levels of satisfaction and happiness, and they also earn the most.
So that is an objective data point about how men, many men, not all, but many men in marriage fare very well.
Right.
They earn more, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have more take-home.
Well, they're happy.
I don't know about the take-home.
I mean, I think they earn more.
And yes, they do have more take-home.
And they're happy too.
It's not just money, it's happiness.
Wouldn't you say that women marry happy men?
I mean, in general, like you said.
When you met your husband, you didn't want a doomer guy.
You wanted a happy guy, right?
So I would discredit that because I think women select for happy men in general.
So I just would love to hear like something.
Do they get sex whenever they want?
That would be a good selling point.
Can they legally get that?
No.
Well, I mean, I think people who are married, yes, do have more sex according to social data and report higher levels of sexual satisfaction.
Yeah.
That is, that is true.
Okay.
So what do you think?
So yeah, promiscuous sex is not as great as it's cracked up to be having a different partner every month and all the issues that come with that.
You actually are more sexually satisfied in a marriage.
Right.
If she sleeps with you, but a quarter of marriages are sexless.
So there's not even a guarantee there.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like if I was going to buy a product and there was a one out of four defective rate, I'd be pissed.
Yeah, I mean, I think you're looking at marriage in a very, through a very utilitarian lens.
Instead of marriage being about this sacred covenant about self-gift and about ultimately, yeah, it's a spiritual thing.
It's not just, oh, what do I get out of it?
And what am I doing in it?
It's about ultimately a beautiful gift of yourself to another person with all the risks that come with that and the potential for new human life that you can bring into the world.
Right.
But if you, so I would, I would just say, actually, to kind of maybe put a finer point in it for you, I would say if you're a man or a woman, right?
And you're thinking about marriage and you're like, what am I going to get out of it?
What am I going to get out of it?
What am I going to get out of it?
And that's kind of the preoccupation.
Then I would say, yeah, maybe you shouldn't get married.
Because if you go into marriage, either as a man or a woman, and it's all about what am I going to get out of this, then I think you're going to be, you're going to be disappointed.
Yeah, I think that's easy to say when you're the woman and you accumulate pretty much no risk in marriage.
I think that's easy to say when you are the benefit of the marriage.
Well, isn't that your point?
Isn't part of your point, though, that men should, it sounds like your point is that men shouldn't get married because they don't get enough out of it, right?
I would say it's in favor of, I'd say it's a bad deal and that if conservatives want, like if you want the babies that you, you know, you say you want, like, you know, more people having kids, they're a gift, yada, yada.
Well, then maybe conservatives should try to have a better answer for this question.
Yeah.
Well, again, I'm giving, you know, I'm speaking towards the fact that social data says that 43% of men who are married say they're very happy versus only 21% of cohabitating men and only 20% of single men.
So married men are objectively, according to the social data, reporting higher levels of high happiness.
Like I'm very happy than single men or cohabitating men.
So that's a data point.
How do you measure it?
It's important.
How do you survey?
It's through surveying.
It's through surveying.
It's really the most accurate way to measure happiness of emotion that changes every single day.
Well, you ask people, generally speaking, would you consider yourself happy, unhappy?
You know, there's a different way that you're going to be.
Your wife's sitting there.
She's like, are you happy?
Are you saying the men are not telling the truth in the survey or what's your position there?
My position is a lot of people have a tendency.
I think happiness studies tend to be bullshit.
And it's usually used by people that have an agenda to push.
That's my opinion on happiness surveys in general.
Sure.
Well, you can have your opinions about surveys.
That's fine.
But I think the surveys are very illuminating.
And I also think that the data about wealth is very interesting, that married men, according to the data, are wealthier than unmarried men.
And even if they get divorced, they're still wealthier than they would have been than the unmarried, undivorced man.
So I think that's another important data point.
Where is that data from?
Where is that from?
I don't know if you're familiar with Brad Wilcox, but he does.
He sells marriage.
I know his stuff.
What's that?
Yeah, he's no, it's who funds his stuff.
Oh, who funds it?
Okay.
Yeah.
So you're saying that's a lot of people.
Well, it's when people are selling their religion, right?
They have a tendency to...
I don't think he's selling religion, probably.
I think he's just reporting data about the financial status of men.
But, you know, here's the thing, Lila.
One, men don't want happiness.
They want peace.
So I think that's the thing.
You're equating what women want out of marriage instead of what men want out of marriage.
The second thing.
I don't think that's true at all.
The second thing is that.
I mean, I don't even think I've used the word.
I don't think you're right.
I don't think you're characterizing my position.
I don't think men want peace.
Correctly.
No, I think, of course, men, who wouldn't want peace?
I agree that I'm sure many men want peace and a lot of women want peace, but I don't think that's a the characterization that I'm just talking about women marriage from a women's lens.
I don't think that's accurate.
I'm talking about social data.
I'm talking about men reporting, self-reporting that they're happy.
That study for 40% of men who are married.
So you don't believe, you think the men are not telling the truth?
I think that men want peace, women want happiness.
So when you're saying that men get happiness out of a marriage, I'm saying, well, they want peace.
So I'm saying you're equating women want happiness, men want peace.
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't think your position that, you know, men should never get married and marriage is all bad is correct.
I think that's completely incorrect.
I think social data proves otherwise.
I think there's a tremendous amount of happily married couples that would prove otherwise.
So I don't, I think we should stop.
I think we should look at the data, of course, but also just look at the human design.
I think we were designed for love.
I think we were made for love.
And love comes with risk.
Of course it does.
Loving any other person, that person, not only could they do something bad, they could die.
They could get sick.
They could, you know, they could have certainly messed up.
So love comes with risk, but we are made for love, to love and to be loved.
And marriage, I do believe there's graces that you get in marriage.
Talking about this from the perspective of someone who enters marriage with the lens of self-gift, I'm doing this because I love this person.
I want to get to heaven.
I want to serve God and other people.
I believe there's real graces that God gives us.
And, you know, I see this in my personal life, you know, beautifully.
I know that's a personal example, but God does give people grace to live out their vocations.
And I believe if someone is called to marriage and they become the best they can be, they meet someone, they have a beautiful relationship, dating relationship, they really get to know them, they think this is a good person that I want to build a life project with, I think that can be an incredibly beautiful and good thing.
Then they can bring children into the world.
That's how civilization will even stand.
You know, that's why we can even have any kind of a healthy civilization if we have healthy marriages and families.
We should celebrate that and support that.
Right.
I just don't think it's realistic.
I don't think it's common.
And I would say it's been a little disheartening because I was a consumer of a lot of conservative content right the last decade, you know, before I was even a YouTuber.
And a lot of people with the same talking points you have ended up getting divorced.
So it's like, even the people pushing this stuff can't keep it together.
I hope people are married.
I know, I mean, yes, there's a lot of divorce.
I agree.
That's a really bad thing.
I mean, like I debated.
We're in agreement.
There's a lot of people who are married still and it's very, very beautiful.
And, you know, I think, I think, you know, it does seem like you have made up your mind, Pearl.
And, you know, at least at this stage, and I don't know all the personal reasons for that or the reasons for that beyond what you maybe shared in this conversation.
But, you know, objectively speaking, according to data and according to both financial data and survey data, there's a ton of married men who are very happy and doing well.
And also marriage is a sacrament.
I believe it's this covenant.
It's designed for more than what I get out of it, but it's designed for what I'm doing.
Actually, I can tell you what gave me this.
I could tell you what gave me this opinion.
Sure.
It's fake.
It's fake trad cons.
No.
And I'm going to.
Do you want to know what I think?
Do you want to know what that is?
Do you know what that is?
Tell me.
Yeah.
Tell me.
Tell me why you.
I don't want to mischaracterize your position, but it sounds like you're saying marriage is bad.
It's not worth it.
No man should get married.
Is that your position or am I misreading you?
My position is that it's a bad deal for men.
So would you say then, would it be then, therefore, men should not get married?
Would be your place.
Do you think it's your place as a woman to tell men what to do?
Well, I'm not, again, I'm not going to go tell any specific man you should get married or you should not because I don't know what he should do.
I can say, generally speaking, marriage is good for a lot of people and it's a beautiful gift and we need more healthy marriages.
Do you're kind of making it?
Do you think you're kind of moving the goalposts?
Do you think it's your place as a woman to tell men what to do?
I mean, if you're, let's kind of break that down.
Are you saying, I can't, as a woman, say, you know, we should have homicide laws that stop men and women from killing people.
Then, yeah, in that sense, I guess I'm telling men what to do because I think we should have those laws.
So I think it depends what you mean by your violation.
To tell men what to do in their house.
Do you think that's your place as a woman?
I mean, I would not go around and I do not go tell individual men what to do in their houses.
No, unless they're like, you know, coercing, doing bad, you know, coercing bad activities or something.
And then I'm, I'm, you know, educating about the bad activity saying it's bad.
So I don't know where you're going with this.
If you're coercing coercive activities, you're going to tell them it's bad.
Well, I'm going to continue.
I mean, you've probably seen my content, Pearl.
I'm going to continue to educate people about and work on exposing things that I think are truly bad in our culture, abortion being the worst, and helping people see how horrific it is and reject it.
And that includes to men as well as to women.
So I'm not going to be like, well, I can't tell men that these behaviors are bad because I'm a woman.
I think that would be a mistake.
Yeah.
So what kind of behaviors are you telling men are bad?
Well, again, I think it's more like, for example, when it comes to sexual ethics, I've been pretty open with my content about the harm of pornography and the harm of promiscuity.
And I think that's a message not just for men, that's a message for women too.
But you will tell men what to do when it comes to sexual promiscuity.
I saw you do it with Justin Waller.
So you're going to tell men what they should do when it comes to porn and sexual promiscuity.
Yes.
I'm going to say do not look at porn.
I'm going to say do not be sexually promiscuous and it's for your good.
And that's why I think you're a feminist because I think that any woman that nags men and tells men what to do is a feminist.
And so I would say that I'm against fake travel.
You're always entitled to your opinions, including on your channel, girl.
Yeah, totally.
So when I say a fake trad con, this is what I say.
They use Jesus and religion to make money.
They use their kids and their husband.
And some of these apply to you, I would say, but some don't.
So don't take all of them as.
They use their kids and their husband as a way to get clout.
So you'll often see the women posting their kids on Twitter.
There's pedophiles on Twitter.
I don't know why the hell they're doing that.
So they'll say they'll try to sell me marriage, right?
But you're putting your kid on an app for clout that has weird people on it.
And you want to say you're in a traditional marriage.
That makes me think women, even the conservatives ones, aren't taking it too seriously, you know, and they're using their husband for clout.
I'd say undercover feminists tell men what to do and how to run their household.
So I think nagging men and their behavior, I just think it's out of place.
Who are you to do that?
You're a woman.
I think it's out of order.
Four, using shame, guilt, insult, and need to be right in an attempt to nag men into changing their behavior.
They also tend to use this to shame the male sex drive.
So for example, you guys will say that pornography is like the worst thing ever, but you never criticize women for delaying marriage.
Really, the corn problem would be solved if most women married their high school boyfriends.
But we choose not to make false statements.
I'll keep going.
You can respond.
So I want to get through all of them.
So they use shame, guilt.
You can take notes and then you can go through them one by one.
I'll give you like two minutes.
So they use shame, guilt, insult, and the need to be right.
Oh, I read that one.
If a woman does something sexually immoral, it's always the man's fault.
So what you guys tend to do is, for example, you'll say that the women were coerced.
You'll give get out of jail free cards to the women that did cam work for Tate, but Tate is the villain for making money off of it.
Just an example.
The fake conservative women, they tend to claim to be pure.
So what they do is they have a tendency to say that they were virgins on their wedding day or didn't make liberal decisions.
But when I look at their choices, the purities, it's always unverifiable.
I can't verify it.
It's always I have to believe them.
They generally marry after 25.
They use the relationship for clout.
And generally, the sex, like women on average lose their virginity at 16.
So I just have to blindly believe that in a decade you did nothing.
It might work on your, you guys, it's not you, but you guys as simp husbands.
Doesn't work on me.
Fake TradCon women tend to call themselves virgins, but they have workarounds like backdoor, blow jobs, fingering, et cetera.
Fake TradCon women have a tendency to platform sex workers or former hoes, even without verifying their story is correct.
I saw you do this with Nala.
You know, she was, even when she came on your show, she still had pretty provocative pictures on her Instagram.
Net wasn't called out for it.
Softball interview.
Fake Tradcons tend to care more about money and being right than being honest.
They have a tendency to get caught in money laundering schemes.
They tend to pay themselves exorbitant amounts of money in the name of God.
Trad cons have a tendency, Nala did this to convert when it's convenient.
And generally, they are not religious before they made money off of God.
Tradcons tend to demonize male sin and downplay female sin.
For example, a former hoe or oh, I said this one.
Church is generally the last stop on the whore train and tradcons make sure it's really easy for them.
Conservative women have a tendency to think that they do hard work when really they just talk into a microphone.
They have a tendency to tell me they'll pray for me or insinuate, why do you think this way?
And it's a shaming tactic to say I'm broken, bitter, et cetera.
They have a tendency to use God as a way to be passive aggressive.
They talk too much.
They're not hot and generally nobody likes them.
So that's really what drove me away and gave me the opinions I had was I just saw women that did all of these things.
And yeah, I was like, if this is who's selling marriage, then God help the men.
Go ahead.
I'll give you respond as long as you want.
Thank you, Pearl.
Well, first of all, I think you are living in this fantasy world that reduces human beings to say that men and women can't speak truth to each other, that we can't, you know, this whole idea, you can't speak truth because it's a man listening.
I think that's ridiculous.
I don't think men and women need to be at constant war with each other.
I think your whole worldview is that men and women are a constant war with each other.
We need to just fight each other because we're always going to hurt each other.
And well, yes, there's sin in this world and we do hurt each other.
There is also virtue in this world.
There's also love in this world because of God's grace.
We can choose what is right.
And there are beautiful thriving marriages.
The social data shows us that men who are married actually fare better financially, that men who are married by a large degree report more happiness than men who are cohabitating or men who are single.
That data, I think, should give people hope because there is this push today, not just by your platform, but by others, including on the left.
I think the left is actually especially pushing anti-marriage narratives even more than you or a few people kind of adjacent to the right, saying, oh, marriage isn't worth it or just be, you know, do what you want to do.
Sexually doesn't matter.
You know, morals don't matter.
But I think that the moral path is given to us for our flourishing and putting sex back in marriage where it belongs is given to us for both men and women's flourishing.
And it's also given to us for the flourishing of children because children deserve to be in a household with a loving mother and a loving father who are committed to each other for life.
And that project is absolutely possible, even if you come from a broken background.
I know people who have come from extreme broken backgrounds, divorces, cheating, all kinds of horrible things.
And they have faithfully been married for 40, 50 years.
And they are an incredible testament to the power of saying, I am strong.
I can love.
I can choose to do what is right even when it's hard.
And I'm going to commit to this person for life.
And we're going to be in this together and raise a beautiful family together.
There are tons of those stories.
They may not always be on YouTube channels or on the internet, but there are tons of those stories in our communities across the country.
And those give me a lot of hope, as well as, of course, looking at the social data.
And I think the other thing that we need to say about marriage here is that marriage isn't just about what I can get.
Marriage is also about what I can give.
And I think that that lens of understanding that marriage is about the gift of yourself for the other person going all in helps us understand that life isn't about me.
Life is about together serving other people and building a project in care of other people in the case of a marriage, the children that you might bring into the world.
And if we, I think, uphold marriage as a beautiful thing, not for everyone.
Not everyone is called to marriage.
You don't have to be married, I think, to be happy or to be fulfilled, but that it is a beautiful calling for many and even most people.
And that we should equip people with the tools to be more happily married by helping them grow in virtue, helping them with things like having good role models, good mentor couples.
I think this is where people should really get involved in faith communities, Pearl, because I think it's very hard to, you know, stay married even in a culture like ours.
I know you don't like me blaming the culture.
People should take responsibility.
Of course, people should take responsibility, but the culture is pretty toxic today.
And so I think people need to find faith.
They need to find belief in God and a higher power.
They need to look at a moral pathway that is designed for our flourishing and they need to get in community with other people who are living the same way.
I think that's really important because if your community is like just an online community or your community is people that are just down and out and really upset and kind of always griping about how bad the world is and they're not wanting to commit, they're not wanting to love.
Yes, you might feel yourself pretty miserable, pretty hopeless.
But if you get plugged in with a community where there are healthy marriages, there are thriving families, as I'm blessed to be, and I know many people who are blessed to be, I think there's an opportunity for more hope and you're getting closer to not the dysfunction, but the functional marriages that exist.
You can learn from those married couples.
You can find married couples that you can say, Hi, how did you do it?
How did you, how did you, you know, date and find a good spouse?
How did you build this project together and weather the storms together?
And then you make faith a part of your life and you pray to God.
I do think faith is crucial for all of us men and women to ask God, God, what do you want me to do with my life?
How do you want me to live?
What's your purpose for me?
And I think God can guide you and give you hope and consolation.
So you're not living with fear in knowing how you should direct your life and the decisions that you should make.
You're still listing.
One last thing.
Actually, I need to say one last thing to address something you said.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Thanks for listening.
You said this thing.
You made this comment.
You had a lot of comments you made, but the comment about men are looking at pornography because they're being denied marriage.
I think that was largely speaking the point, which is, I think, a crazy point.
I think pornography is a corn, corn, corn, corn, excuse me.
Pornography is a poison inside and outside of marriage.
So just because someone's married, getting married is not going to solve sexual addiction issues if someone has them.
Getting married is not going to solve vices that someone might have, right?
They will bring those into the marriage and they will need to work on those, right?
So I think just saying like, oh, marriage is going to solve corn addiction.
Or sexual addictions.
I think that's actually not a good argument to make.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, a lot of it's the wife getting fat too.
But you're saying.
I think that's totally untrue, but we can agree.
80% of women gain 20 pounds or more in the first five years of marriage.
80%.
20 pounds is a lot.
That's a lot of fat.
I'm going to guess a lot of that.
I do think there is a lot of weight gain around getting pregnant.
And sometimes it can be hard to lose the weight after pregnancy.
That's an excuse.
My mom ran a marathon.
You guys are soft.
But you keep listing stuff.
I would still go back to everything you listed was that men should sacrifice for society.
So you still have a list of people.
Just to be clear, Pearl, men and women.
Just to be clear, Pearl, this is really important.
Men and women.
It's not like, oh, men do all men should be the sacrificial ones and women shouldn't sacrifice.
No, in a marriage, you go all in 100%, the woman and the man.
It should not be, I'm going to leave some cards on the table.
What are women's?
What are women's duties to society?
You're saying, what are women's duties in a marriage?
To love their husbands faithfully, exclusively, of course, to be open to being a mother, I think.
I think that is a duty and to be a nourishing, loving, nurturing mother.
If they're able to have children, of course, some women are not able to have children, to respect their husbands, to try to make their husbands' lives better, easier.
Should they obey their husbands in all things?
Largely speaking, yeah, they should submit.
I think there's a largely speaking biblical.
I think there's an important biblical teaching about submission.
And I think the husband is the tiebreaker, and that's a good thing in a household.
Okay.
But women aren't having kids.
So, what are you doing?
I mean, again, you're kind of painting the broad brush.
There's definitely a lot of women that are having kids.
Some women don't want kids.
And I think that's tragic for many of them.
That's statistically not true.
If women are having kids, they're having kids in their 30s, which you have a much higher likelihood of having a kid with autism or something else wrong with it.
So.
So, how does that relate back to what we were discussing?
Well, I'm asking what women's duties are.
They're not having kids.
So, what do the men get?
What do the women have to bring to the table?
Well, I do think it is a duty of marriage to be open to life.
So, I think if you go into marriage and saying, I'm not going to have any kids, I don't want kids.
It's a burden.
I think that's an anti-marriage ultimately attitude.
Yeah, and I totally agree, but that's not what women are doing.
That's like, again, it goes back to the idealistic and realistic.
Well, but it would be nice versus what is, you know, men are like, oh, babe, that sounds great.
My wife not getting fat.
That sounds great.
That sounds great.
A 22-year-old that wants to get married.
That sounds great.
Where are they?
I mean, again, I know you don't like to use personal examples.
You kind of make these broad-brush generalizations, but there absolutely are statistically many people getting married.
There are millions of married people in this country.
So I don't know where you're going with the point.
If your point is that marriage is in disarray, if your point is that it's, you know, it can be hard to get married in today's culture, I agree with you on all that.
I don't even disagree on that.
My point is that here's another data point: the fertility rate in faith communities is usually much higher.
So you're going to have people who are faith-based having more kids.
And why is that, right?
The reason for that is they're going into marriage with an understanding of what the purpose is and they're supporting each other in the beautiful project of building families.
So that's, again, another reason why faith is such a key component, I think, to everything here, especially with regard to healthy marriages.
My point is that trad cons have a tendency to list all of the things men need to do and sacrifice and not have women do anything in return or little to nothing.
Nothing is more important to women than their selfish desires, and that's what they tend to do.
So I wish it wasn't so, but that's the market.
All right.
I mean, like I said, you can paint as many generalizations as you want all day long about women, about men.
And I can keep coming back with data about married men being happier and about married men being, you know, having more financial success, things like that.
So those are key data points.
I know you've kind of dismissed them.
Those don't really count, but they don't count.
I do think that the negativity about marriage is a problem today.
I think that marriage is a beautiful, beautiful, good thing that has made a lot of people that a lot of people choose it.
They build a project together.
They bring life into the world.
I think without marriages and strong marriages, we don't really have, we're not going to have a functioning society.
And the biggest problems in society are because of the breakdown of the family.
Well, right, but that goes to what society gets out of marriage, not men.
So you just kind of diverted it.
Now it's like, what is society?
Well, we get a safe society.
Well, you are way talking past me, my friend.
I'm listening very closely.
It sounds like you have a script you repeat again and again.
And you're not, I don't know that we're talking to each other right now because, you know, I am talking about men that, you know, statistically speaking, report being happier in marriage.
They're more financially successful in marriage.
And you keep saying, well, you're not talking about what men get out of marriage, but it's like you didn't hear what I just said.
Are you hearing what I said?
I would say that the divorce stats cancel out the marriage stats because men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce.
And more veterans have committed suicide than all of the world wars combined.
And a good percentage of a good percentage of those were horrible.
Yeah, a good percent were from when the Iraq war happened and they came back and their wife was banging some dude.
You know, you know how it goes.
Yeah.
I mean, I think that's absolutely heartbreaking.
So, but I don't think that the risk of divorce means that someone should not pursue marriage, especially if they're feeling called to it.
I don't think that risks, I mean, you get in the car and you risk getting in a car accident and you risk dying, right?
Life is full of risks.
So the question is, how am I going to, how will I live my life?
Love is a risk.
Bringing a child into the world is a risk.
Love is a risk.
So I'm not going to say, oh, you're going to be so safe.
Everything's going to be easy.
There's never going to be a problem in your life.
But I will say, according to the social data, men who are married report that they are very happy significantly more than men who cohabitate or men who are single.
That is survey data with men themselves saying, this is how I experience my life.
It's their information.
So you can choose to believe it or not.
And men are financially who are married.
They do better than men who are unmarried.
And even those men who get divorced are still doing better than the men who never got married in the first place.
Right.
But I would still say that the divorce rate, when the average marriage is seven to eight years, that does cancel out pretty much everything you said.
I don't think that applies at all.
Yeah, I don't think that's that.
I would say that men are nine times more likely to commit suicide.
That cancels that out.
Women mostly put men on child support and alimony.
I would say that cancels it out.
I would say when a man is to risks 40% of his income up to 18 years, that's a long time.
There's also, if we want to talk more about data here, there's also the data about, again, back to the faith communities and people who have faith, people who seek a higher purpose for their marriage, for their lives.
There are surveys that show that those that pray together in their marriage and attend weekly church services, the divorce rate can be as low as 2%.
Yeah, I've seen that, but it's a pretty small sample size is one problem with that study.
And the other issue is it's taking people.
That's a pretty good idea.
I mean, are those good odds in Europe in your mind?
Well, if I thought they were accurate, they would be.
But it's, again, you guys always want to push religion, and that's what you guys are selling in general.
So what you guys tend to do is you take these studies and extrapolate them like they mean something, but they're very small sample sizes.
One, you include Gen X and Boomer women, which were in very different circumstances than the women today is problem number two.
They also included millennials in the divorce rate for that study.
So the challenge is if the average marriage, I'm a moment.
So you just dismissed, you just dismissed the study about those that pray together and go to church.
Well, divorce rates as low as 2%.
You said it's too small as a sample.
How big is the sample?
Well, the other issue, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I've looked at it before.
The other issue is assuming it's too small.
I mean, I've read it before, but it was kind of a lot.
You know, if you gave me a list before the debate, I could have gone through it, but the which is fine.
I didn't expect you to do that.
But the other, the other challenge you have with it is they include, and the reason I'm saying this is because I want people to be it to be accurate and people to be informed about how they tend to lie to you to push their religion.
I'm not saying it's malicious.
I don't know.
Here's something.
The challenge is if you include millennial women, you're including people that haven't divorced yet.
Because if the average divorce is around eight years, then when the kids hit high school, if you make it past 25, you're kind of going to make it, but statistically, but they're including people that haven't divorced yet is one challenge in very sex communities.
So go ahead.
I'm curious how you see risk because I think it's like a worldview question, right?
So I've been talking about the fact that men who are married are more financially successful than men who are unmarried.
And then even men who divorce are still more financially successful than the men who never married.
You know, the surveys that show that men who are married report higher levels of happiness than men who are unmarried or men cohabitating.
So there's all that data, right?
And then there's all the anecdotes.
We could talk about that as well.
We could talk about faith communities and the divorce rate being low as 2% in faith communities.
So we can talk about all of that.
But I think what underpins it sounds like to me your worldview is this idea of risk.
Well, bad things could happen.
In some cases, men, you know, may experience, you may get divorced, right?
And then they might, you know, be suicidal.
And there's this horrific, there's tons of horrific horror stories out there, right?
So I'm curious, like when you get in your car, like I don't know if you drive or you walk where you live, but when you get in your car, you are taking the risk.
You're taking a risk of your own life, actually, because there are car accidents.
I think it's like one out of every hundred people are going to get in a car accident, right?
So you're taking this risk of getting the car accident and possibly risking your life, but you still get in your car.
So how do you decide?
I'm curious.
How do you decide how you choose what risks to take?
And how do you, what is your, do you have a recommendation for how people should weigh risk?
So you're just saying I'm putting the risk information.
Men naturally weigh the risk versus the reward.
If you had you responded, I've been asking you to.
So do you ever talk about the rewards of marriage, Pearl?
Right.
If there were some now, like men, 100 years ago, I don't think there's going to be any rewards to marriage, Pearl.
Are you going to let me finish or no?
Okay.
So 100 years ago, men got a virgin bride at like 22.
They got a young hot wife that had been with zero other men and they got like six kids.
Risk versus reward.
That's a pretty good reward.
Today they get an ex-hoe or someone that says they weren't a hoe, but still marrying around 30.
So it's like, bitch, what were you doing the last decade?
Don't have to believe you.
Three, they also get one, maybe two kids.
Half the time it's going to be via IVF.
They get no, she's actually paid to leave you and steal your children and ruin your reputation.
And if you start a business, you can take that too.
Half the time they don't even want to stay home.
So if I think, and I'm just, you know, putting myself in a man's shoes, 40% of my income for 18 years for an ex-hoe that'll give me one kid that could be retarded because she's having it in her 30s.
I don't know if that's the best sell.
And I keep saying, well, what do I get?
And then you guys say, well, my study says they'll be happier.
And I'm like, well, does the woman stay fit?
Does she have to have sex with him?
Well, we can't say that.
Well, this isn't a great sell.
There's no God in divorce court.
And I've seen women that were more religious than you, Lila, that did terrible things.
God-awful thing.
Women that aren't on the internet, women that had like 10 kids and married at 22.
And they did terrible things.
I don't think that's the same thing as a car accident.
I get in my car every ride, there's not like a 15% chance that somebody's gonna ruin my life for 20 years.
That's a pretty big risk.
So, I would recommend that people look up those that are listening to the show right now, look up the statistics, the information, the survey data on men's wealth who are married, the sexual, you know, the amount of sex people have and how happy they are their sex lives.
They don't care about money, Lila.
They care about their kids.
They want to see their children.
See, this is the same.
This is the problem.
You're talking about money before their kids.
They want to drive past each other right now.
No, they want to be there from birth till the kid is 18.
I know men, they'll spend money.
They don't care.
Like, they'll give up.
Like, money isn't the end of the world, but it's paying for a wife that's screwing another dude and spending more time with your kid than you are.
That's hell.
That's death.
Pearl, if men want to have children, if men don't want children, they shouldn't get married.
But if men want to have children, the best way to protect their rights is actually getting married.
If you are a single father who's not married, you know, the woman that you had the child with is you're not married to her, you will have less rights actually for your child.
So if you're arguing that, you know, men who want kids shouldn't be married because of marriage being some sort of a threat to their rights, actually being a man who's not married, having a woman that with having your child with a woman, you have less rights in that situation.
You can get more bites with a surrogate if we want to go down that route.
Well, then the child isn't being raised by the woman you love and the mother.
So that's a problem.
So I think that's the problem.
Yeah, but then you can't kidnap me.
You can't kidnap the child either.
There's pros and cons for everything.
It seems to me that you are recommending, you know, you keep saying marry these hoes.
That's what I keep hearing.
Mary.
It seems man up.
That's why I'm not.
You're very funny.
It seems, what's her face on?
Redhead porn star.
Pearl, it seems to me that you're saying that, you know, it's not worth the risk.
Doesn't check out in the end.
Don't, you know, you're not saying don't do it because you say, well, I would never tell him what to do, but you're kind of, you know, pushing really hard.
That's a lot of your functions.
I'm saying give them something, Lila.
Give them something.
But again, I just say, look up the, I know we got a wrap here.
It's it, we just hit the seven o'clock button here, but listen, look up the information.
Happier, more happiness.
You know, yes, men who are married are financially more successful.
It is one of the most beautiful things.
If you're called to it, you can do it with your life.
And Pearl, thank you for chatting with me.
It's great to talk.
Yeah, thanks for coming on.
All the best, my friend.
You too.
Thank you, Pearl.
Do you want to tell them where to find you?
If they want to look at it, liveaction.org, join the fight to end abortion and save lives.
It's the most beautiful thing you could do is to help save a life.
And we get to see that every single day, lives being saved.
And then you can go check out my show over at Lila Rose show on YouTube.
I do wish you luck in banning abortion.
I wouldn't bet on it, but I do actually wish you luck.
We're going to work hard and pray hard.
And it's going to happen, Pearl.
All right.
Thanks for coming.
Thank you, Lila.
God bless.
Yeah.
As I said, guys, when men win, everyone wins.
When women win, they tend to win for themselves.
What did you guys think?
Did you have fun?
I'd have her back.
I liked her, actually.
But if you're going to come on, if you're going to come in the kitchen, I'm going to cook.
So I got, I got no, she can come back.
Oh my gosh.
Good show.
Yeah, you guys had fun.
All right.
If you guys want, if you want to support me, women do ruin my life when I do these things.
They send their followers.
I don't think Lila seems like a nice enough woman.
But in general, they tend to send their followers after me.
And doing this stuff, man, it's not for the fan of hearts.
So if you can, join my members only community.
At some point, you will get to meet me if you join that.
And I also bring on the smart, intelligent men that I know.
And the occasional woman, but let's not get carried away.
The occasional woman to also come on.
And it's a one-time lifetime purchase.
And you're basically buying in because we're new, saying Pearl is going to interview people for life.
At some point, we're going to have some big names where you can actually directly ask them questions.
We're still getting it going, but I had a dating coach on there.
I have a child support officer telling you how to avoid that.
So if you do want to get married, I do give you tools to alleviate risk.
I'm going to read the super chats now.
I'm not going yet, guys.
I'm not going.
I got supers.
All right.
Can we do a poll?
Do we think that she's going to come back?
I didn't mean to.
All right.
Let's see.
What the hell?
Oh, it's because I got to do it on this laptop.
I forgot that one doesn't have access to the super chat.
Also, if you want to send a super chat for my efforts, people do try to ruin my life over this stuff.
They really do.
Demonetized for a year.
I would have loved to have gone to the voting thing, guys, but right now.
All right, 90% divorce rate equals risk.
Ask Lila, how does she feel about Christian women who are partly responsible for the rise of OnlyFans and Corn because they didn't want to meet their husband's bedroom desires regularly?
Oh, that would have been a good question.
Crazy.
Finance is 50.
I'm 30 and fighting an illness through my 20s.
Here comes Pearl's calling other people an ex-ho with nothing to offer.
Yep.
Pearl with a knockout win over Lila the Trad thought.
Pearl lock-in.
Just stopped generalizing.
Pearl women aren't having kids because they're dealing with chronic health issues in America.
Yeah, health issues from waiting a decade to have kids.
Getting pregnant is another health issue.
They want them.
Kids turn 10, trade in for new Richard.
The Tradcons like her and Tommy Lauren can or won't answer what a man received from marriage because they don't believe their husbands should get anything.
Lila doesn't care about these points because no one is perfect.
Everyone is worth Jesus' forgiveness.
All of these points, the KU list can be correct.
God will use their arrogance to renew them.
This girl needs to read Erin Clary's book, The Book of the Numbers, based on her attitudes.
You won't believe most of the data I earn research.
Lead me only when I want to be led.
Marriage.
Yeah, love comes with risk from the man alone.
Evangelical feminism, like early 90s baptism.
Marriage positive for one.
And the advantage.
Guys, I'm sorry I didn't do these during the show, but I was trying to lock in.
You know what I mean?
I just couldn't.
Happiness surveys are absolute nonsense and men do not live for happiness.
This is a female metric.
It is driven by United Nations Pearl.
I sent you an email about high-profile United Nations leak Zoom meeting that exposes their anti-family court agenda.
Check your emails, do your thing.
Lila believes abortion and murder and says perpetrators should be punished, but wants to give women the get-out of jail free card with coercion.
I feel like Lila is a fake TradCon feminist.
Greetings to Pearl and A.
Oh, wait, that was from the last one.
I'm going to refresh it.
Let me just see if anyone.
Okay.
Should I react to one more video while I'm live or should we call it?
Doug MPA, you get to pick.
Actually, Doug MPA, can you send, get on the, hop on this Zoom?
Let's do a post-show talk.
What did you think?
Doug MPA gives me feedback on like debates and that sort of thing.
So, I mean, we might as well just do this live because, you know, we were going to talk after anyway.
We might as well bring the fans in.
You know, I could react to this other thing, but no, we'll do that tomorrow.
Tomorrow I'll do the reaction.
But I will bring up Doug MPA.
Let me see the poll.
Will she come back?
I would totally debate her about this again.
Or if she has something she wants to...
Not should she!
I said, will she?
Is he coming on?
Let me just double check.
I'll text him.
Get on, oh, isn't it in the chat?
It's in the chat.
Just scroll up.
Hold on.
I'm going to send it.
I'll send it.
Here we go.
Yeah, me and Andrew are good, guys.
We're pals.
Like, we have disagreements, but, you know, it just.
Hey, can you hear me?
Doug MPA, how are you?
Give me one second.
Let me turn the YouTube off.
I'm good.
How'd I do?
You can be honest.
Tell the YouTube people.
The abortion thing...
Too long.
I like your stance on it because I agree.
It's just people were misconstruing it.
What Pearl is trying to say is you're never going to stop women from aborting children.
Never.
So you only have 365 days in a year, 52 weeks, 24 hours in a day.
So you have to focus on things that are actually attainable.
In our lifetime, women's right to have an abortion is never going to go away.
So there are things that you can affect more than that.
I'm sorry.
So Pearl is pro-life, but she's just accepted that women will not give that power away.
So, but other than that, I think the abortion conversation went on a little too long.
But other than that, you just cooked.
Lila, she cannot answer all these trad cons cannot answer the question.
What does a man get?
What does he get?
And if you guys, if you guys are interested, second link in the chat is the GoFundMe for the divorce documentary.
We would love to finish if we can get funding.
We would love to finish it, but, you know, we got to get to 100K.
We got 25K, which is really great.
You guys are awesome.
But if you want, you know, send us something there.
Go ahead.
Yeah, you just asked us to Doug is biased for Pearl.
He can't give constructed criticism.
Well, one, that is true.
I am biased for Pearl.
I've been supporting Pearl since she had 17,000 subs.
And two, one of the reasons why Pearl and I work well together is I let her, you know, I give her honest feedback.
Oh, he gives me feedback.
Oh, believe me.
We got a fundraiser so Doug MPA can come in person.
Yeah, but Lila, you I know your feelings about Lila and you I think you kept it civil.
I think that you and her have fundamental disagreements.
I think that Lila's a fake trad con.
And one of the things, one of the best parts about Pearl is Pearl is a fake TradCon crusader.
There are too many of those out there.
And Lila's one of them.
She's nice, but you didn't go over the $14 million for her non-profit.
Oh, I wanted to, but it was, you know.
And only like 85,000 of it went towards lobbying and like 14,000 went to donations.
And she kept the rest.
Oh, my God.
She kept that much.
Yeah, uh-huh.
According to the tax documents.
Holy fuck.
Yeah.
I went over them.
Well, should I say allegedly?
I don't want you to get in trouble.
Yeah, I'm going to say allegedly just in case, but I looked over the document.
Anyway, yeah, so, but Lila just keeps saying marry these hoes, guys.
All the tradcons, all they can say is marry these hoes.
It's your duty and put society and women over yourself.
And also, she kept saying that whole equality debate.
I don't understand how women can be religious, but then say that men and women are equal when men provide more value.
Yeah, so I just, she tried all the tradcon typicals and techniques, but she got nothing.
Guys, Pearl will never tell you to not get married, but you got to consider, because look, guys, all of us red pillars, we can say, don't get married, but most guys are going to get married in my lifetime.
Sorry.
But if you acknowledge you're taking a bad deal, then you can figure out, then you can prepare accordingly.
Yeah.
You can mitigate risk, and then you know exactly what happened, not if, but when she leaves you.
Because what's 90% of college educated women divorce their husbands, 90%?
Come on, guys.
Yeah, like if you guys are a 30-year-old guy and you want to get married, then you know by 40, you can go for your wife number two.
100%.
You can plan.
You can be like, oh, you know what?
The 30-year-old didn't work out.
Now I can, now, now at 40, I feel like 40's got to be easier dating.
And this guy is 5th and 50.
You guys can tell me, but I just imagine at some point you got to age out of the 20s year olds.
Is that true or no?
I don't know.
Well, let's say that guys between the age of 42 and 50 are the most desirous men on in society, period.
Well, do you know what I was thinking, though?
I think they're going to get the, and I don't know, this is hypothetical.
You guys would be able to tell me more, but I see men getting the most matches in those age groups because they're matching with like the 30-year-olds, the 50-year-olds, the 40-year-olds, and some 20-year-olds.
But if I had to guess, like the women between 0 to 30 are still going to match the most with guys in their like mid-30s to 40s rather than 50s.
But I could be wrong.
You're on the app, so you tell me.
And like you have guy friends around that age, I'm guessing.
Yeah, I would say 25-year-old women don't go past 40.
30-year-old women don't go past 45.
35-year-old women don't go past 50.
So I think that there's a 15-year limit for each age of the woman.
Yeah.
There's exceptions, obviously, like Leonardo DiCaprio and like whatever.
But just like in general, that's what I've seen.
What is this whole virtuous women thing?
Guys, in the chat, help us with this virtuous woman thing.
What does that even mean?
Because here's the thing.
Women are rewarded For acting without virtue.
And what can keep a woman virtuous?
Even if you marry a virtuous woman, what can keep her virtuous?
Nothing.
And if she stops, because remember, virtue is based on actions.
Your actions have to be virtuous.
Women are rewarded for actions that are not virtuous.
So this whole trad con, oh, you get a virtuous woman.
Oh, really?
Where?
And for how long?
Right?
She's virtuous right now.
Just curious, why don't pro-lifers advocate for a ban on divorce after marriage produces children?
Yeah.
They just want to make money and virtue signal.
That's generally what I've seen.
Yeah.
There are some people that really care, but you know, you could care at like 50 grand a year and they never take that money.
They can make sure every cent goes towards these children and they never.
Yeah, it's just Lila, Tommy Lauren, they just can't help the feminism, man.
Andrew Wilson says to Tommy Lauren, there's that feminism.
It always rears its ugly head, man.
When pressed, tradcom women will speak the same talking points as feminists.
And what do I always say?
Why fake tradcons are worse than the feminists?
Nature makes its most dangerous and poisonous things a weird shape or a bright color.
So feminists usually have purple hair that septum-piercing tattoo.
So you can spot them easy.
But these fake trad cons, they don't look like that at all.
So they're hard to spot.
Well, yeah, I agree.
So if you were to have her on again, what would you talk about the next time?
I just enjoyed cooking, to be honest.
Maybe the embezzlement.
I mean, if there was ever something in the news, I totally would have her on.
Like, if something that's like relevant in the news, we had a different take on.
She wanted to come back.
She totally could.
I don't know.
I don't think she will.
I think I cooked too hard, but I don't, maybe she will.
Yeah, I, you know, once you talk to one of these trad cons, you talk to every single one of them.
It's the same arguments.
Guys, let me know.
Put a one in the chat if you knew where she was going before she even said it, or put a two if you heard anything new tonight.