Pearl Daily critiques modern women’s perceived unreliability in marriage, citing examples like Steven Crowder’s $30K monthly alimony and Lauren Southern’s two-year divorce. They dismiss the Proverbs 31 ideal, arguing today’s women prioritize independence over loyalty, fueled by social media vanity and financial leverage. While promoting Chalk’s testosterone-boosting supplements (20% in 90 days), they contrast Elon Musk and Donald Trump’s success without wives to Walter White’s abandonment by his spouse despite his wealth. Ultimately, Pearl suggests men may thrive alone if women fail to align with traditional submission, framing modern relationships as a systemic risk. [Automatically generated summary]
Good afternoon, good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to another episode of Pearl Day.
This past weekend, guys, I went to something a little bit different, something I've never been to before.
I was introduced to the world of anime, and I went to this anime convention, and I was very confused.
There was men walking around in dresses, and my producer, the nice guy he is, he picked me up from the airport and he was explaining to me about femme boys and traps.
And we decided today we're going to do a fun game where I have to decide if somebody is a man or a woman.
So he compiled a bunch of a list of characters, and I get to pick if I think they're male or female.
Now, guys, do not give me any spoilers in the chat.
And also, if you have anything you want to comment, go to theaudacitynetwork.com and sign up for my monthly or yearly memberships.
It's $10 a month, $80 a year, and you can get the app right on your phone.
And I will read your comment if you go into the live chat there.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm ready.
So first on the list, we got.
Oh, I just read it.
Identify the traps of anime.
So you give them two answers, whether they're male or female, and if they're a trap or not.
If they're a trap.
Oh, okay.
Okay, so I either think they're male or female.
Pearl will be shown a character from an anime, then attempt to identify if the character is a male or a female or if they are a trap in their anime.
Okay, are these all the same person?
These are all going to be the same person.
They're going to have different costumes.
Okay.
I think that's a woman, but that's a trap.
I think that's a woman trying to be a man.
Oh, it's a male.
So it's just a regular guy.
Okay.
Oh, he's a regular guy?
Why did they give him eyes like that?
Okay.
Go to the next one.
All right.
Is this character male or female?
So that's tough.
I'm gonna say it's a woman because he she, but she's got a dog, and we just really like to buy dogs.
Okay, and do you think that it's a trap?
Um, I don't know if it's a trap, but I think it's just a tomboy.
Okay, so I think it's a woman tomboy.
So it is a trap.
Okay, so if it's a trap, they're trying to be the other gender.
Yeah, the in the context of the universe, people think that they're the other sex, or they're purposely disguising themselves.
Okay, so it's a she.
Okay, but I was right on the gender.
Okay, let me keep going.
Um, I think that that's well, that's gotta be a trap woman because it's like a male on the left, and then the middle, it's a girl.
Yeah, so yeah, it's like a male, but it's a trap, so it's pretending to be a female.
It is just a guy, he gets forced to in the show, he asked to wear the maid outfit because he loses like a pet.
Oh, okay.
Wow, these are tough.
Okay, that's gotta be a woman.
That's gotta be a woman.
The eyes are too female, and then I think he's trapping when he becomes he puts the dress on.
Okay, so you think it's sorry, it's a woman, it's a woman.
Yay, I got that one.
All right, there we go.
That's a woman.
Okay.
Not a trap.
I think it's just a woman.
It's a male.
It's a guy.
What is up with these anime things?
I'm telling you, this is why they're around.
I do not understand this.
Okay, keep going, keep going.
Male.
Trap.
You think he's disguising himself as a girl?
Yeah, it's a male trap.
So it's a...
It's just the man.
Oh.
Just how he looks.
I see why the men wear in dresses now.
Is this a male or a female?
I think that's a female trap.
Well, it's like a male trap, so it's a female pretending to be a guy.
You are already.
Yes!
I knew it.
That's a woman.
Okay.
What the?
What the heck?
Okay, keep going, keep going.
Are you guys, do you guys like anime in the chat?
Are you guys.
Let me know if you guys watch this stuff.
So can't you just call them, oh, I can't say that word.
That's what got me demonetized originally.
But, okay, this has got to be.
I think it's a male pretending to be a woman.
So it's a female trap.
You are incorrect.
But look at her shoulders.
They're so broad.
I guess the boobs should have given it away.
You would think.
Yeah.
I don't know.
There's boob jobs now, though.
I don't know how far they're going to go to sell it, you know.
Keep going.
Okay, that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to look at the boobs.
All right.
Whatever is flat-chested.
So you think it's a female?
Yeah, I think it's a male pretending to be a woman.
You are correct.
Yes.
Okay, I think that's the tell.
You have to look at the boobs.
Okay, keep going.
All right, flat-chested.
That's a guy.
Yeah.
I'm getting good.
There's no way the anime.
Okay, I don't see boobs on this one.
Maybe I'm gonna say guy.
I'm gonna say guy.
Final answer.
You think that's a guy?
Because I don't see boobs.
Oh, dang it.
She just wasn't blessed.
No, she's just a little kid.
Oh, she's young.
Okay.
Male.
Okay, male and female.
No.
You know what?
I'm going to go female.
I'm going to go female because the eyes are like almost purple and that's kind of girly.
I just think the eyes are making me think, okay, male trap.
Yeah.
It is not.
Dang it.
Oh, these are tough.
Okay, keep going.
I think that's a female.
No boobs.
Okay, I'm going to start looking at the legs.
So if the legs are thinner, maybe?
No, but in the anime convention, they really had a Coke bottle shape.
Guys, they had these like naked girls on posters, like basically naked, and they would have a very coke bottle.
I think it's a guy.
I think it's a guy.
A guy?
Yeah, no curves.
Female trap.
You think it's a female trap?
Yeah.
Well, there would be male trap at that point.
The trap is they're pretending to be the sex that they're not.
Oh, so it's a male trap?
Yeah.
Okay.
But it's not.
It's just a female.
I'm not doing good at this game.
Keep going.
There anymore.
Okay.
Okay.
Are they a trap?
So this is all the same character.
I think that's a guy.
That looks like a guy.
And I don't know if it's a guy trap because he's wearing both, but I'm going to just say male.
You're just going to say male flat.
Yeah, maybe he's like a cross-dresser.
I'm going to say male.
Okay.
Oh, my goodness.
Do you guys find this?
Do you find her hot, guys?
Is this what you guys are into?
I don't know.
Oh, Sailor Moon.
I should have.
I've heard of that one before.
I should have known.
going um all right That's a...
Alright, no boobs.
That's a guy.
Okay.
Just a guy?
Just a guy.
So in this, why do they dress as women?
Like, what's the point?
It depends on the story context.
Oh, it's not to like date, but are they trying to.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
They said Japanese men are more feminine looking.
That's a woman.
I'm going to say woman that pretends to be a guy because she's got the guns.
I see boobs, though.
Yeah, female trap.
Oh, Joseph.
Okay, keep going.
Male.
That's a male.
I see the skirt, so I'm going to say male trap.
It's actually a female.
What?
It's a girl.
There is no way you could tell in these animals.
Keep going.
Is this how you guys feel when you see trans people on dating apps?
Because some of them are getting pretty good.
I mean, I wouldn't be able to tell for some.
All right, that's got to be a woman.
That's a woman.
No.
No boobs.
Male trap.
Yes.
Okay, keep going.
Keep going.
I'm going to say female trap.
That looks like Mulan.
That is just a regular dude.
All right.
Okay, keep going.
What did I get?
What was my score?
You got like 14 out of 40.
I got 14 out of 40.
Well, you know, it's all right.
So I almost, I didn't, I even, I like super failed.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard.
If you guys like that, let me know in the comments and we'll do it again.
I'm going to read the stream on the website.
Okay, Tom says this is dumb.
You know what?
Thank you, Tom.
Thank you for your input.
I did ask.
We're American men.
We don't watch cartoons.
And then Rob, he disagreed in the chat.
He said, I love Warner Bro cartoons.
Maybe the Japs need to watch less too and F their women more.
Old cartoons are good, no question, but these new cartoons suck.
Rob says you're ignorant.
No imagination.
Tom says this is dumb.
Rob says, I agree.
No one cares about anime.
We're adults and this is a waste of time.
Well, if you guys want your complaint to be heard, please go to the website on theaudacitynetwork.com.
Okay, so let's get into the stories of the day.
So a term that I heard when I first started listening to red pill content was F trophies for clout.
Now, what is an F trophy for clout?
That is when usually women, but sometimes men, use their family and their children for clout on the internet.
So the first person I heard use this term is Ryan Stone.
Now, Ryan Stone is a very smart red pill content creator.
And he does, he has really interesting streams.
And he responded to Matt Walsh and he said, he actually has a good book.
You guys should buy it.
He said, Welcome to the world.
And it was Matt Walsh and his children.
And he said, showing off the F trophies for clout.
Now, when I originally heard this term, I thought it was a little bit harsh.
I thought, well, I mean, he's just posting a picture with his kids.
What's wrong with that?
But the thing about red pill content is sometimes once you see things, you just simply cannot unsee it.
And once you notice how people use their children on the internet for attention, likes, and clicks, even though there are literal pedophiles on that app, Twitter, and they have no regard for their children's privacy, you really can't unsee it.
Now, what I'm not saying is that you can never post a picture with your family ever.
But we're getting to the point where people are live streaming their kids being born.
And the first thing they do after their kids are born is post it to Twitter.
Not send a picture to the family, not enjoy the moment privately for a couple of days.
No, it's all going on Twitter.
I even saw a woman named Bernadine Bluntly post a literal video of her giving birth on the internet.
Now, look, I understand that at times, maybe for educational purposes, you put something online.
I understand that maybe, you know, there's pros and cons of posting your family.
Like when Kanye let out that, or sorry, when Kanye released that song with his daughter, I actually thought it was adorable and it looked like they were having a lot of fun.
However, Trad Twitter has, they have just, it's getting ridiculous.
Now, I noticed this trend and there was somebody named Anna Luis.
I really don't know a ton of her content, but it seems like she posts pro family, like TradCon content, right?
Like that's her brand.
That's what she's making money on.
I actually can't believe she follows me.
Wow.
Okay.
And she posted a picture with her family and she says, this is the way.
And I am interpreting this because when I see this content, I'm thinking, what message is she trying to send?
She's saying, live like me, be like me.
And she's using her family as a prop for social media.
I mean, that's what essentially the message is, right?
Be like me, have a bunch of children like I did.
And the scary thing is when you learn about how pedophiles are on these apps looking for pictures of your children to track them down and get more information on them.
And oftentimes they might, you know, try to add them on different apps when they get to the age that they're on.
You know, the internet's kind of a weird and scary, the internet's kind of a weird and a scary place.
And I just always wonder when you're posting your kids' faces on the internet, at what cost?
And essentially, what a lot of the traditional conservatives are signaling is that they care more about their brand than the privacy of their family.
Now, I'm not even saying one's right or wrong.
I'm sure some people post their family on the internet and it's fine.
However, essentially they're communicating that the money is more important than the privacy of, and I really do think at some point, you know, one of these kids is going to have a lawsuit against their parents for not giving them privacy when they are a kid.
Now, this, when I tweeted this, this completely set the internet in flames.
People were very upset with me.
I remember at the time, sorry, Pearl, this is actually the way.
Now, I'm not saying it is or it isn't the way, but I think that's something that every guy has to decide for himself.
I know men that they just want to focus on building their businesses, and that's just what they want to do.
Family just is not a priority for them.
If it happens, it happens, but it's just not something that they want to do.
I don't think that one makes someone morally superior to another.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Anyways, then they're trying to say your depopulation, da-da-da-da-da.
And really my only point was you guys are claiming traditionalism, but you're sacrificing your children's privacy for money.
Okay.
What's not plugged in?
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
Now, this recently, I recently noticed a woman on Twitter erupting that apparently Nick and his Groypers were making rape jokes or grape jokes about her daughter.
Now, that is wrong, right?
That is completely wrong.
You should not make those type of jokes about someone's daughter.
But I don't know when, you know, she's on this whole tirade saying Nick is wrong, his followers are wrong, da-da-da-da-da, they're evil.
And I kept thinking, where is the accountability for the mother?
So the original post is, she says, people are saying that I'm making Nick F look bad, but why would I care about his reputation or support him when he doesn't support me?
Nick, how about you tell your pedo cult crew to stop making grape comments about my underage daughter?
Now, my questions are, why do people even know you have a daughter if you're a political commentator?
Why is that information out there?
Whose choice was that?
Ever since you said on your show, with the most sinister, deceptive grin on your face, the Groypers have only gotten worse.
And you won't acknowledge that it's wrong about coping and deflection.
Now, what do we know about that group on the internet?
They make very edgy jokes.
These guys, they're kind of annoying.
You know, I don't really want to send them after me right now, but I'm just being honest.
You guys are kind of annoying.
Like, you guys are in everyone's comments spamming.
Like, that's just the group.
But again, the same reason when they spam me with stuff, I don't complain because I made that choice to interview him.
She takes zero accountability for her choice to interact with these things.
And it just drives me nuts where these ladies, they want to play the victim when they want all of the clout for going online.
They want all of the benefit of being a public figure, making money on the internet.
And there's a ton.
I'm not saying one is right or wrong.
You know, you can pick yourself, but what I am saying is if you choose this path, there are consequences.
And if your children have those consequences, that's your own fault.
You know, I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Now, then what happens is the white knights come in.
I don't care if you're a Groyper, MAGA, far left, far right.
Joking about graping someone's child isn't cool, edgy, and isn't funny.
These are lines we don't cross, especially if you call yourself a Christian.
Now, I'm not disagreeing with that point.
I'm not disagreeing that it's wrong.
But we all know what kind of app Twitter is.
There is literal pornography on that app.
Literal.
So a lot of these people have no regard for their children when they're using an app that is used for pornography and then using their children for clout.
Okay, agreed, this should be obvious.
At the same time, my haters always do this guilt by association smear, which is clearly dishonest in bad faith.
Let's not be naive.
The drama queen in question should block report and move on.
Exactly.
So I just don't have a lot of sympathy.
So, you know, I had to give in my two cents.
I really had to.
So, you know, she goes in.
Let me find.
Actually, let me go back.
No, Kat.
To be fair, I probably didn't have to.
I, you know, I'm going to, hands up, hands up.
I didn't have to say anything.
But sometimes there's just a fire that gets lit in me when I see things that are really.
I don't like the pretending to be a victim.
I get a lot of people making fun of me.
Okay.
A lot.
I have no, I've had a lot of people say awful things.
And I don't play the victim because I have the best job on the planet right now.
And again, what they want is they want all of the benefits of being on the internet, all the benefits of posting their kids, and none of the blame when anything goes wrong.
Okay, here we go.
So she's written an essay, and I'm not going to read this because quite frankly, I just don't care.
An essay about, you know, all these people, I don't deserve to be called a whore.
And by the way, this is a woman who's called me a whore, bitch.
I don't, look at, I don't care.
Say what you want, but this girl does the same exact thing.
Now, she writes an essay and she says, I say, why is your child on the internet?
She says she's not.
Then shut up.
No one cares because you chose to be online and you mention your kid.
We all know the internet's full of weirdos, right?
We all know this.
So, but you think that privacy is less important than a public presence.
That's what you picked.
You, you, you picked it.
Nobody put a gun to your head and said, go online.
And this could all be done if she just deletes her account.
She would never happen again.
Gone, done.
Problem solved.
But what they're doing is she's trying to play the victim to get sympathy from idiot men who, whenever they see a woman cry, they just have to run to her defense.
And a lot of these guys are falling for it.
So I think that's really all I got to say.
You know, and then she tries to call me a pedo.
I'm like, why do women do that?
They put the worst insult imaginable.
I've been saying for years to get your kids offline.
I've been saying this for years.
I've been saying, hey, hey, trads, you know, I don't know if you should put your kids on the internet.
There's pedos on this app and they say, Pearl, you're so evil.
You're the worst.
I don't know, guys.
I know the cloud and the money is nice, but, you know, it's one thing if they're adults, but they don't really have a say in this.
Or even teenagers, okay, if they have their own account.
But I don't know, that kid's like five.
No?
Okay, you guys are in politics.
Politics is pretty, like, they go pretty far in politics to destroy everything.
No, but cloud.
Okay.
Anyways, my two cents.
I don't want to go too into the back and forth because this lady's crazy.
Okay, so did I miss anything?
What else did I?
Oh, yeah, just an essay.
Cry me a river.
Cry me a river.
Okay.
Now, I want to give an update on the Sidney Sweeney situation.
So, as you guys know, the internet has erupted debating if they find Sidney Sweeney erupted on how attractive Sidney Sweeney is.
Now, Sidney Sweeney is an internet movie star.
Now, she is an attractive woman, right?
And she's known for being, let me do Sidney Sweeney.
She's known for being a blonde bombshell, okay?
This is what she's known for looking like.
I mean, is this eight, nine, ten?
What do you, I mean, eight?
I'd say eight, right?
Now, recently, these pool pictures got leaked.
And this, they basically showed what she looks like day to day.
Now, clearly, she's not ugly, right?
Not unattractive, but the internet is saying that she is a catfish, that this is not as attractive as this.
And I don't, and I think this really hit a pain point amongst men.
Because, you know, I'll talk to guys that are going on dates off of dating apps, and they think they're going on a dating app with a seven, but they're really going on a dating app with a chubby five.
They said, whoa, whoa, whoa, that 20 pounds wasn't in your picture.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, that was, that picture is at least five years old.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Did you get rid of your big nose on FaceTime?
The men are kind of sick of it, right?
This is a pain point.
That's why it went so viral because men are matching with women.
Maybe not this attractive, but the equivalent that look like this, right?
So they match.
They think they're going on a date with this.
And really, they're going on a date with this.
Now, clearly attractive, definitely, but not as attractive as they thought.
That was the whole point.
Now, I think, you know, I've been wanting to give out a award for simp of the year.
I think I want to give out awards simp of the year, Karen of the year, and whore of the year.
Lily Phillips is getting my 304 of the year.
100 men in a day, no one can top that.
You have to be a number one draft pick.
Maybe we should make like an award ceremony and a medal, you know.
Now, Michael Knowles recently, he just released a video.
And I want to go over his response.
So let's see here.
This is the debate that has taken over social media.
Now, again, it's the same thing.
It's the pretty girl cries.
Men must rush to her to defend her honor, right?
My Twitter feed.
Is Sidney Sweeney hot?
And people can't agree on this question.
They agree on the question.
They can't agree on the answer.
I must weigh in.
I have very strong opinions on this debate.
I am not going to wade into the substantive matter all that much.
I'm not going to make some impassioned case for why or why not Sidney Sweeney is hot because I find that untoward because I'm a married man and that's just not the sort of thing a respectable fellow would do.
However, I will make one cultural observation why the is Sidney Sweeney hot debate matters.
And that is this whole debate, the fact that the debate is taking place is proof of widespread addiction.
I think that's really what lies at the heart of this.
Now, again, it's the same pattern, right?
Men say, hey, she's one of the tweets that went viral was from Nuclear Caudillo.
And he said, all women are catchfishes, just to what degree?
So he didn't call her ugly.
He didn't say unattractive, but I think objectively, she is a catfish.
Now, I don't think, I think she's a 6.5.
I think that's fair.
Seven.
I'd say seven.
And she can go to an eight or a nine.
Is that fair?
Maybe a six to an eight, depending on what your type is.
Maybe you're into Asians.
I don't know.
But to say that's corn addiction, I don't think men have that high of standards.
I mean, guys in the chat, you let me know.
Do you guys need a woman hotter than Sidney Sweeney?
I mean, would Sidney Sweeney be good enough for you?
Would that be enough?
But the reason this went viral, he's completely off.
It's because it hit a pain point because men can relate to being catfished.
And this would be super common when I did my show.
So if you guys don't know, I moved to England to play volleyball, did a show on the side where I interviewed a thousand women in like one and a half, two years.
And women would come on the show and they would follow me after on Instagram.
So like they would say, follow me back or whatever.
And back then I was more charitable with my follow, you know, I would follow.
And there would be times where I didn't know who they were because they looked so different.
And it actually they get so delusional where women think they look like the internet version of themselves.
And that's where you get the, you know, women that are, you know, five, six, seven, eights saying they deserve 10 in men because online they can attract that, right?
So online, they can get that caliber of guy or get attention, but it's not real, right?
You know, if you face tune your waist to be smaller, men in real life still see the gut, you know?
Don't need to just take my word for it.
You can also take the credibility and the authority of Jean Bautrillard, who's a sociologist, a postmodern philosopher.
We've mentioned him on this show before.
You might recall, I don't know, two years ago, three years ago, I had a great commentator, Wocal Distance.
I got to give you Simp of the Year, Michael.
I think, you know, the NALA interview, the doubling down on the NALA interview, and now this, you might be, I'm going to have to do an award ceremony.
I'm going to have to do it.
I think I'm going to give, you know, medals.
If you guys want me to, go to theaudacitynetwork.com.
I got a fundraise for these trophies.
I really want to go.
Maybe I'll invite them.
It'll be a whole event.
Simp of the year, horror of the year, Karen of the Year.
Who would you guys put as Karen of the Year?
Who would you guys put?
Let me know in the chat.
Maybe we could vote.
Oh my gosh, that could be fun.
That could be fun.
And he was discussing Baudrillard's theory of hyper-reality.
And the analogy he used was, he said, you know, in ancient days, people ate strawberries.
Look, you guys gotta, you guys gotta go to the website.
They're saying do it.
Do you know how expensive it is to put on an award ceremony in that little of time?
I have one person here, one.
If you guys want, you want me to go all out?
It could be virtual.
I mean, that's cheaper.
I'm just saying, you know, go to theaudacitynetwork.com and I will read your comments.
And they said, why?
The strawberry tastes really good.
And then over time, they said, you know, the strawberry is so good, but I want even more of the strawberry in an even more potent form.
So they made strawberry jam.
And then over the years, they said, oh, this jam, it's not enough.
I want to make a strawberry candy.
Okay, I'm going to have a strawberry candy.
No, even that, it's not, it's not hardcore in sure.
And then they said, no, even that's not enough.
I want a strawberry jolly rancher flavored soda.
And by the time you reach the end of this process, people really like the strawberry jolly rancher flavored soda.
But if they actually picked up a regular old strawberry, they wouldn't recognize it.
What is this?
This isn't.
And why is this simping again?
He's about to say that men are the picky ones.
I don't know, guys.
Tell me about your standards.
How high are they?
I mean, do you expect like homemade bread from scratch?
Are you guys expecting that?
Do you guys expect, do you even expect Sidney Sweeney level hot?
Like, what would be good enough for you?
What would be, they said very low.
Says no standards at all.
Someone said, just nice to me.
What are your standards?
You know what I mean?
Fair enough.
I don't even know what this is.
That the you've you've distilled the essence of the thing down so far that it now bears very little resemblance to the actual thing that you started with.
I was thinking about Baudrillard, not just because of our conversation with vocal distance or not just because of hyper-reality, but Baudrillard wrote a book about seduction.
I think this helps to explain.
Now, this is the issue.
When you get people that have been married for a long time and don't really know what's going on, they go to books for their sources instead of like real life and they miss a lot.
That's why the red pill has discovered things way before academia because like before the academics do, because they go on their real life experiences where a lot of these guys explain this stuff in the abstract.
And why people are confused.
You want me to get Karen of the year?
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
It's fine.
Someone said Candace Owens.
I don't think I could give, I don't think I could give myself the award.
Yeah, anyway, let me know your nominations about whether or not Sidney Sweeney, who is manifestly a rather pretty lass, whether or not she's attractive.
He wrote this book about seduction.
So this is, think about this.
He's finger wagging at the men and he's saying, find her attractive.
You are not allowed to say she's mid.
Find her attractive.
And he focused a lot of it on.
He said, promotes female pleasure in so exaggerated a manner only in order to better bury the uncertainty that hovers over the black continent of femininity.
He says that the female is a principle of uncertainty.
He views being male as a principle of production.
That's what lies at the essence of masculinity, of being a male.
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That what transvestitism is about is not so much the seduction.
Wants Matt Walsh to be nominated for Karen of the year or the biggest fumble of the year.
Who killed their career this year?
Who tanked, right?
Mine would be Lauren Chen because I don't know what can tank it more than getting money from Russia.
I mean, that's a pretty big L, biggest L of the year.
Of another person as the seduction of signs and symbols.
I mean, we just to bring it back down.
Oh, destiny.
Hawk Tua, that's a good one.
We can see that kind of strawberry Jolly Rancher milkshake, you know, hyper-reality process taking place.
The drag queen is so exaggerated a caricature of a female that the drag queen is almost unrecognizable from the female.
What being a female actually is, is basically unrecognizable if you were to look at a drag queen.
It's so exaggerated.
When people get really into or into any kind of hyper-real distillation of something, they become perverts.
You know, their tastes just become so weird.
They need the Jolly Rancher flavored soda.
They no longer want a strawberry.
They no longer can even recognize a strawberry.
A line from Baudrillard's seduction.
Perhaps is only an allegory.
That is to say, a forcing of signs, a baroque enterprise of over-signification, touching on the grotesque.
The obscenity itself burns and consumes its object.
I think that's what this comes down to.
If one cannot recognize that Sidney Sweeney possesses a kind of attractiveness, it is probably because one has so burned out one's sensors on.
And I don't even just mean literal.
So he's saying, if you don't find Sidney Sweeney hot, you have burned out your sensors.
Maybe she's just not their type.
Maybe they like big booty Latinas, Michael.
I don't know.
Maybe they like the Asian women.
You know, guys have different things they find attractive, just like women.
But this would never happen if I said, and I'll say it, who's a guy celebrity I think is overrated?
Okay, I can't think any of any off the top of my head.
I'm sure there's some, though, that I would say unattractive, not for me.
And it really wouldn't be that big of a deal.
And the men wouldn't find it that big of a deal.
There wouldn't be an outcry, right?
Like if I said, I'm not going to say it because he's pretty good looking, but like if I said, Brad Pitt, unattractive, ugly, you gross.
Nobody would care.
They would say, ah, well, oh well.
And Brad Pitt wouldn't freak out.
He would not post, you know, because Sidney Sweeney responded to all of this and posted pictures of her working out to, you know, show the haters.
Brad Pitt wouldn't respond.
He wouldn't care.
It wouldn't be this huge spectacle, but because pretty woman, say pretty woman, isn't that pretty?
Now it's World War III.
I mean, the overstimulation of our culture, the saturation with caricature and grotesquery, the culture has become just so decadent that, well, you see this every year there's surveys that come out about the top terms they're searched for.
And they always become weirder and weirder and more grotesque.
At a certain point, they don't even seem like they're connected to sex at all.
I remember there was a Supreme Court case that came up.
This was now 10, 15 years ago.
And it was about a type of that involved just torturing kittens.
You know, viewer discretion advice.
Well, certainly for that kind of, but even this discussion, it involved torturing poor little animals.
And what was so striking about the case is it had nothing to do with sex, and yet it was a type of, it was this hyper-real, bizarre kind of perversion.
And I think that's basically where the culture leads you.
As a barometer, if you cannot find a glamorous Hollywood starlet of perfectly ordinary glamour, common glamour, but glamour nonetheless, attractive.
Something's gone wrong with your brain.
Yeah, if you don't find her attractive, something's wrong with you.
They're always, always, always shaming male sexuality.
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Okay, so next on the agenda.
Now, this fight went even further into conservative Twitter.
Now, as you guys know, we have this issue of the ladies tweeting their selfies to prove that they still got it.
These will be, you know, happily married women in relationships that need to prove to me or other members of the RP movement that they are still attractive.
And it's really, really a sad thing, if I'm being honest.
I can't imagine, you know, living my life and going online and finding out my mother is arguing with some random red pill guys, proving that she still got it.
So this woman named the red-headed libertarian, she has me blocked.
Don't know why.
She tweets her selfies.
Now she says if the met like, you know, and she's saying, if we, if the men find out that we can shape shift, shape, shift, they're going to tell the church.
Now, this is a woman that makes money off the traditional conservative brand, right?
Now, does this look like a modest married woman selfie?
By the way, I don't care.
I don't, but you know, it just makes it a little worse.
It's like, like the boobs are clearly the focus.
Cross necklace, heavy makeup.
I'm not saying like, I don't think, you know, I'm not a Puritan.
It is what it is.
You know, I don't really care.
But it's the inconsistencies, right?
And it's the marriage is the solving of the problems with doing this.
We're just like the worst marketing.
Now, Nuclear Codio goes in and says, all women are catfishes.
The question is to what degree.
And this is, you know, a picture from like a video.
Now, clearly she looks like, this looks like two different people.
I don't.
And to prove that she still has it, she writes an essay.
Wait, hold on.
Let me find the first one.
An essay trying to prove.
Oh, wait, here I screenshotted it.
She writes an essay trying to prove that she's still got it.
Now, again, I don't care, but she says they always grab screenshots of me in the middle of a sentence to prove that I am ugly.
I'm a public figure, you retard.
Everyone knows what I look like.
This is my interview with Matt Kibble from back in January, and everyone should check it out.
I'm adorable here, by the way.
Now I'm just thinking, now remember, like she's got kids.
So think of little Jimmy at home.
Now, Jimmy at home is hanging out.
And then he gets a phone call and his phone calls from his friend Brad.
Now, Brad says, hey, did you see your mom on Twitter?
She's arguing with this rant still hot.
You know, I just say send the asteroid.
Please send the asteroid.
It's just, it's over.
And then she sent even more.
She blocked me.
So sometimes it's tough to get the.
Let me find the rest.
Totally get the cat fishing.
Is the Adam's apple in your profile to prove you're a dude because you have a weak ass jawline suggests otherwise?
I blocked you to cut off your views.
You reach on your post will drop tremendously now.
You did earn about $3.
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Again, it's shaming male sexuality.
It's saying, find me hot.
This is what the ladies say.
They say, I want to join the internet, right?
And they, which is fine, right?
I'm here.
This is a fun time.
I look it.
We're having a great time.
So they say, let me join.
And their husbands, they're like, whatever.
She's kind of annoying me.
I mean, this, yeah, go ahead, dear, whatever.
And they say, I want to join the part of Twitter that's the most contentious, where there's the most fighting, the most vicious.
Totally fine.
You know, I'm here.
I'm not, I'm not judging it, right?
I'm just, I'm explaining what's going on.
And so they say, let me march into the most contentious part of Twitter where everyone's arguing and let me go here.
And then they say, find me hot.
And if the men say, eh, if the men say meh, if the men say mid, then they get angry.
They get angry and then they start yelling at the men and saying, find me hot or you have a corn addiction.
I mean, she looks good for her age.
She's pushing 40.
I'm not hating.
But it's just weird.
It's very like, I don't, and they don't know it, but these ladies are the worst marketing for marriage because the young guys are looking at this, right?
And they're saying, okay, let me get married.
And they say, oh, look at those.
They say they're like conservative women.
They look amazing.
And then they see the conservative wives arguing with random men on Twitter and they say, I don't know about this.
Anyways, so we have very bad marketing right now.
Now, as women, we have to understand that we're just not doing the greatest job of selling ourselves.
You know, we're in the news constantly for doing crazy things.
An example of that is Lily Phillips.
We've covered her like a million times this week, so I'm not going to go too far back.
But, you know, she's sleeping with a thousand men in a day.
And that's the marketing we have right now.
You know, okay, I'm not saying every woman does that, obviously.
But this is what's making the news.
This is what's making the headlines.
And by the way, it's only going to get worse.
I don't see it getting better.
Now, there's a recent trend where women are showing themselves with a boyfriend and with no boyfriend.
And they essentially are marketing, again, that in relationships, they will look uglier.
I mean, like, I don't know why we do these trends.
I'm like, what are you trying to sell here?
You're going to look worse when the men start dating you.
So this is a woman and she says, boyfriend.
That's her.
No boyfriend.
Now, I think it's like makeup, plastic surgery.
I think she got a nose job.
I think that's the biggest thing.
Now, maybe a filter.
I don't know.
Then next we have this woman, right?
Boyfriend.
No boyfriend.
And then the ladies come in, the trad women say, why don't the men want to get married?
I mean, we're awesome.
And then the other ladies are like, this is what you're going to get in a relationship.
This is what you're going to get when I'm not.
Oh, the Jesus cross.
Of course.
You know.
Then we have another one here.
Boyfriend.
No boyfriend.
I mean, she kind of looks the same, but what are we doing, ladies?
I don't.
This is the worst marketing campaign we've ever had.
And we do it to ourselves.
The men don't even have to negatively market.
We just, we get together and say, how can we dissuade men from being with us?
How can we do the worst PR campaign humanly possible?
And yeah, I mean, we just really outdo ourselves every month.
And by the way, I just want to thank you guys because you ladies keep me employed forever.
I will always have a job.
I will always have, like, thank you so much, ladies, because you give me a plethora of things to cover.
You know what?
So, I can't even be mad at you guys.
I really can't.
Um, okay, let me see if um, I'm gonna.
So, the main topic of today is: I am gonna invite a woman onto my show who disagrees with me.
We're a little ahead of schedule, so I'm gonna check really quick.
Um, she's not on yet, right?
Yeah, no, I didn't think so.
I'm gonna say, You can come on now.
I didn't think I would get if you can't, didn't think I would get here.
But let me just react, I guess, while we wait to um, let's see what we got.
Oh, actually, someone sent me.
I'm gonna react to something.
If you guys have anything, send it to me on Twitter.
I'm gonna react to something one of my followers sent me.
Let me see.
There was a pretty good video.
Where is it?
link here.
I saw one which was I guess I can't find it.
Let's react to a Kevin Samuels clip just for good time's sake.
I just think it'll be fun.
Let's do it for you know, just for because he is the goat.
Let's look at his best and savage moments with women or whatnot.
So, I don't know.
So, if you guys don't know, I'll tell you guys.
I realize I forget how many new people I have watching me.
So, Kevin Samuels had a call-in show where women would ask him for relationship advice.
And this was partially how the manosphere became mainstream.
But unfortunately, he was one of my main people I wanted to interview, but he passed away.
It was really sad.
But he was so funny.
I used to love his show.
I guess he has like trust issues with women or whatnot.
So, I'm like sharing my location with him just to make him feel comfortable.
Have you had any therapy?
Yes, I have.
You need to go back.
Oh my gosh, really?
And you're already trying to make him feel comfortable two weeks into it.
Right.
That's too much proving to do.
You're not his, you're not his wife.
I'm just being nice and being like, that's not being, no, it's not.
No, no, it's not being nice.
It's being a people pleaser.
That's not normal.
That's not normal.
You want to be nice?
All right.
Let's go out a couple of times.
I need to give you $10,000.
Be nice.
Be nice.
I mean, come on, be nice.
I mean, come on, be nice.
I need $10,000 and we need to go ahead and run a soul train on you.
Be nice.
No.
Of course.
So there are things that sound crazy to you.
Yes.
Yes.
Sharing your location with somebody you've gone out with twice is crazy.
Okay.
I give myself a solid 9.8.
What would you guys give her in the chat?
She says a nine-point.
Look at her face.
A three.
He didn't even have to say anything.
Being pretty is not enough for a lot of men because I'm pretty and I'm still single.
So what do you want?
I don't, I don't know.
I really don't know what I want because these men don't know what they want.
A lot of men don't know what they want in women.
You said you're how it again?
33.
33.
So, regardless as to what men want, you don't know what you want.
I mean, I know what I want, but what is that guys?
First thing I said about ego?
They're not willing to be honest.
Be honest with you, I ain't gonna lie, I don't know what I want in a man.
Like, I've been screwed and for so long, I don't know what I want in a man.
Just in this little bit of time talking to you, it's been chaotic.
I'm just asking you just the basic stuff about your who you are and what you want.
And um, the story you've told the story is, yeah, you can't make this shit up, people to let you know.
I have completely taken my life and made it 360.
The 360 puts you right back where you were, but I understand what you're saying.
I made a 180, I found Lord, and uh, I got a man that's got money now.
You found the lord, yeah, where'd you find him at?
I didn't know he was lost.
I didn't know what a lower was.
Okay, this is all inside of last four months, right?
Three months, four months.
Yeah, it's a lot of changing in three or four months.
You said you got a man that has money now, yeah.
I do.
I just wanted to let you know, also, I wear my bonded in public.
I saw, I saw what you had to say about that.
You know, I get where you're coming from, but at the same time, like at the same time, you what did you tell me?
Shut up, no, no, no.
I said, go ahead.
You said at the same time, at the same time, I just don't see what the issue wearing a bonded in public is.
I got married, but I don't want to be oh, this was the worst one.
Oh, I remember that.
You got married?
Yeah, you're currently married, yes.
Oh, no, no, no.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me, ma'am.
Are you telling me?
No, I'm not.
A platform with a million folks actively talking about leaving your husband to get back with your ex because he's high value, and I felt like the reason you want to break your covenant with God and wreck your home of the pipe fitter guy is because the previous guy was higher value, meaning he earns more money.
Yeah, and his social status, how he looks.
What would the world say about that man?
It would say that this woman he got back with is the one he's always wanted.
She belongs to the streets.
Yeah, this woman called into a show, said she was married and wanted her ex-boyfriend back, and her husband still stayed with her.
It's a sympathetic, guys.
It really is.
These, um, excuse my French niggas alone, they always want to take me to court.
Yeah.
What does it mean?
It means that it's like when I break up from with a guy, I go through divorces because they can't take me, leaving them in the dust, in the dirt, where I left no man coming because they don't act right.
So I have to move on.
Is that right?
Do you think that that's right of them?
Why are you so why are you?
Why are you such a poor judge of character to pick me and you gotta leave?
We're not back.
I couldn't leave.
Oh, damn.
Oh, damn.
Why are you such a poor judge?
No, ma'am.
No, ma'am.
I listened to what you said.
You came in and talked about how you feel like you're in divorce court because you got to leave these men in the dirt.
And all I hear is you're a shit judge of character and pick the men because you don't leave quality men.
You absolutely right.
So, God, please stop sending me no, no, God ain't got nothing to do with it.
No, God ain't got nothing to do with it.
Please don't bring my God into this.
Please don't bring my God into this.
He was unaware of that.
So I like immediately divorced him because children was the outcome that I wanted to have.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
It was terrible.
But, but, like, I told him from the beginning, like, I wanted, I got married so we could have children.
And then he found out he couldn't have children after we got married.
So now, exactly.
I know.
That's what I do know that it is there.
I'm not, it is, it is.
I'm, I'm, like I said, I was so I'm asking seriously, man.
It's not really a value judgment as much as I'm just trying to hold it mirror up to you because you say this shit, the shit you say to people around you, and they let you believe this stuff.
I'm telling you, somebody who got no dog in the fight.
How old are you?
35.
Play in all types of arenas.
I work in those arenas.
I work in all of those.
Okay, how about this?
Do me a favor.
Okay.
Talk to me like I'm for a cocker spaniel because you're not really saying anything.
And you said you how old again?
I will let you guess.
I don't play these games.
You'll either answer my questions or I'll bid you a good night.
43.
One thing I don't do is I don't do these things.
I don't know you.
So you've been married to.
We all know this.
Keep going.
I will say this, though.
You've gone from 35 to 43, just like that.
That's amazing.
I did, didn't I?
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I don't like Kevin Samuels.
Was actually the go.
I miss him so much.
I wish he didn't pass away.
He was such a good Lila Rose is doing a live stream on Lily Phillips right now.
Lila Rose.
I'm going to bring up someone in a second, but I do want to see that.
I guess that's for tomorrow, fellas.
Okay.
All right.
So, guys, so on Twitter, I gave an open call.
I said, anybody that's got disagreements with me, you are welcome to call into my show and talk about her disagreements.
I think this is really important because, you know, if, you know, if I'm going to say these things, I do want to back them up.
And I did.
There was a nice young woman who messaged me on Twitter and said that she had some disagreements with me.
And I decided, why not?
Let's do it at the end of a live show and we can go through them today.
So today I have Ketura Hickman.
Is that right?
Sorry.
I was like, I was like, I don't, I don't want to mispronounce this.
Or Shag Bark's wife coming onto the show.
And she gave me a list of disagreements, but hi, welcome to the show.
Nice to meet you.
Thank you.
It's very nice to be on here and to talk to you.
So where have you seen my content before?
Like, where have you mostly consumed it from?
I'm mostly on Twitter.
I don't really watch a lot of YouTube.
Okay.
Mostly, I don't have a smartphone.
So I get on Twitter a couple times a week on my laptop.
Okay.
And where are you from?
Like, what part of the country are you in?
Yeah.
I was raised in the Midwest.
And then when I was 16, my family moved to Montana.
Okay.
And now I'm married to a man who travels all over the States, but we're based in upstate New York.
So I've been all over.
And you, if you don't mind, you said you grew up in a Christian cult.
Yeah, it's kind of considered a cult.
It's kind of Protestant kind of.
What do you mean, kind of a cult?
Sorry.
I don't mean to lie.
Everyone would consider a cult.
And I kind of embrace that term just because it's kind of edgy and fun.
Okay.
But also I hate cults.
I think it's, I think it's a slur that people use against certain Christian sects just to disvalue like their beliefs.
But so I embrace it, but we're definitely very niche.
We're like ex-Pentecostal kind of Jew, but very Christian, but very into the Old Testament.
But now my husband's Catholic.
And I've also, I've had a lot of like frustrations with like Protestant Christianity a lot growing up anyway.
So it was very easy for me to transition into Catholicism, even though I was raised in a very, very, very anti-Catholic sect.
Okay.
And I'm just curious, was your, like, was your experience positive or negative?
I know you're leaving, but was it positive?
Okay.
So you, you know, okay, go ahead.
Yeah.
Because I was, you know, I like to compare our family sometimes to Jews because we're much, our beliefs are very Jew-like, even though we're still, we still accept Jesus as the savior.
But basically, you know, when a Jewish person is very, very like adamant in their faith, maybe like back in the old Torah days, but nowadays a secular Jew is like, yeah, I'm a Jew, but my faith is kind of secondary.
Well, I was fourth generation in this kind of cult.
So I was at the point where my faith was a great part of my life.
Like I loved our traditions, but I didn't take it so seriously where I hated other people who believed differently than me.
And I kind of was like, why do you take it so seriously that I believe differently than you?
Like, this is just all traditions.
We all believe in the same God and we believe in the same Messiah.
So like, why, why do you hate me for how I dress or for how I eat?
Like, that's just kind of crazy.
Is it similar to Amish?
Like, I'm just, I'm just curious.
That's what I'm thinking of as you're talking.
Yeah.
It's, it's a little similar to Amish in that we had a lot of respect for the Amish and lived like the Amish.
So we took a lot of lot from them.
And I wore, I like, I grew up in dresses.
I've never worn jeans.
I don't like jeans.
And I like believe in modesty.
Well, I actually believe in femininity more than I believe with modesty, but I'm also, I kind of believe in modesty too.
Okay.
So you gave me a list of your disagreements.
And you said it's important to know your audience and which group of women you're speaking to.
I speak to actual traditional Christian teenage girls who aren't found in the Twitter sphere.
Could you tell me a little bit more of what you meant by that point?
Yeah.
So I feel like one of the things about your Twitter is I'll like be reading your Twitter and I'm like, oh, I agree with that or I agree with that.
Oh, but all women are bad, even though I agree with this.
And I know a lot of good women who would agree with this.
And like saying the right thing, like in our circles, divorce is horrible.
And usually the women who, the people who file for divorce are usually women.
And like that, that's terrible.
Your upbringing are a significant majority in the United States.
And where I have a little bit different of a perspective was I did a show where I interviewed women and I would have eight women at one point six days a week where I would go in and we would do a panel show.
Yeah, it was really crazy.
I did this for two years.
And what I would learn is a lot of these women were from the data.
Yeah.
And I took the twit also, I took the data from like, and I'm not saying one's right or wrong, right?
But I took the data from like even male conservatives' wives, just to like conservative commentators' wives, just so I could be a little bit more fair.
It's not just the public ones.
And I still found in terms of life decisions, they're all really similar.
Like, you know, if kids are delayed for a decade, I have to assume you're on some sort of birth control, you know, like, and I'm not saying one's better or worse, but like, that's kind of how I came to that conclusion.
Do you think that's wrong?
I don't think that's completely wrong because, so for instance, I write a lot on femininity and dressing like a woman and acting like a woman and submitting to your husband in a way that's like beautiful and good.
And I write against divorce.
Like I don't think divorce should ever be an option, even in the case of adultery.
I think we're permitted to do that, but I don't think we should necessarily have it as an option seal.
What I find out on like the traditional Twitter sphere from what I've seen because when I first came to Twitter, I was like, wait, there's traditional people out there talking about traditionalism.
This is so cool because I grew up being hated for being traditional, but here people are doing it.
And then I started to realize like these people aren't real traditional people.
These people are all fakes.
They all converted in their 20s.
Most of them didn't weren't raised this way.
A lot of girls who were raised this way, they get caught up into like feminist type things because they don't like the idea of submission.
I had a hard time with that as a teen too.
There comes a point where you're raised in something and then you have to make the intentional choice to actually like abide by it.
And I saw a lot of my aunts didn't.
Like my aunts are very different than my sisters and me.
They made the choice to like divorce their husbands and not be good mother when they're not good mothers.
How old are your aunts?
I'm just curious.
Yeah, my aunts are in their 30s and 40s and I'm 28.
So I'm actually really close in age to some of my aunts more than I am my cousins.
I'm the oldest of like 50 or 60 cousins.
And then I have like 30 aunts and uncles.
Okay.
So I have a lot of relatives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I hate to say it, but you're kind of proving my point a little bit because the challenge is, you know, it's true we can say things like in our 20s, but like, you know, I always say, you know, you put your money where your mouth is when the first, like if we're going to push to traditionalism, which I'm not saying one's better or worse, but I'm saying like, if that's what you're pushing, like, where's the kids?
Are you going to pop out one, four?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So my point is who we look to for our role models.
So I don't look to my aunts as role models.
I look to my grandmas who both stayed through very difficult marriages.
Both of their husbands would probably be considered cult leaders.
Like I'm not joking.
Like both of my grandpas are probably legit cult leaders.
But my grandmas have stayed loyal to them, even though their daughters have begged them to divorce their husband, their fathers.
They've stayed loyal to them.
My mom and dad, who are also the oldest of both their families, I'm also the oldest in my family.
I've 11 younger siblings.
Like I just love my grandmother.
Wow, that's amazing.
11 years old.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
Yeah.
No, there's a lot of children in our family, but I look to my grandma's as an example.
And also my mom, she's been with my dad for like, I mean, longer than I've been born.
So like what, nearly 30 years.
And my mom has been encouraged by many people to divorce her husband for like the most ridiculous reasons.
And then I married people all already at the start were like telling me, like, oh, when I first got together with my husband, like, basically my husband and I were before we were even married, we were like, we're not breaking this engagement off even.
Like we, we didn't even see like an option for breaking the engagement off once we decided to be engaged kind of thing.
And people like tried so hard to separate us because of our faith differences.
Of course, I've, if you're like, I feel like if you marry a man who you respect and love, you become more like him, which a lot of traditional women don't get.
They still want to keep their own identity.
They want to be feminist.
They want to keep on wearing whatever clothes that they were raised in instead of actually learning to be more modest and more feminine.
And so I think that's mostly what I, the difference is between what I'm saying between yours and mine.
Like while you're saying true things, I'm like, how can we like look to that subset of women who are doing the right thing and look to them as role models?
And what is it that they're doing right?
And how are they submitting in a way that's beautiful and inspirational?
Yeah.
So what I'm not saying is that there aren't examples.
I think it's better to look in your own personal life.
Like there's someone I could think of that if I wanted advice from that I know personally that I would go to rather than the internet.
Right.
But when I'm talking, I'm trying to predict trends.
And unfortunately, like you're kind of saying what I say, which is that women, we tend to be a roll of the dice.
So if someone picked someone from your mom's family, like your mom sounds like a lovely woman, right?
But if they picked your mom's sister, then they would have, you know what I'm saying?
So it's, there's no guarantees.
And the sad thing is, you know, like you're saying, men have to deal with the fact that everybody is telling us to leave, even from, I mean, it sounds like almost Amish, right?
Yeah.
You know, so it's not, I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I have to make predictions into the future.
And I don't see the birth rate going up and I don't see traditional values getting better.
Sad, unfortunately, right?
I guess that's actually a good, a good point between like how I feel like my vision with what I do versus yours.
Like you're more like, like you said, talking about trends and predictions.
Whereas I'm looking to like the few women who I think are actually like salvageable.
I'm like, hey, I think I think that you and I should be buddies and like this try to be better wives and better mothers.
And like, no matter like this ignore the static statistics.
Let's not be one of the statistics.
Let's just be that minority of women kind of thing.
Yeah.
And so the sad thing is, I, the, the thing is, when I interview women at different ages, you start to see trends.
That's why I was kind of asking you, like, how old are you?
You know, you, you, like, you, I feel the like light in your eyes still.
You're very happy and bubbly.
And that, that's very common with like young women, right?
But then the, the problem is there tends to be in their 30s a round of divorces, you know, like you were talking about.
And you see women that in their 20s were like happy and as bubbly and like, you know, I'll give you a public example, but there's ones I know in my personal life too, right?
Like Lauren Southern, do you know her?
She might be.
She was a very big right-wing commentator and she left the internet to go be traditional, right?
She like got married, left.
And then two years later, she comes back divorced and abused.
Like makes it.
And it's like, I see these things and I'm like, I can't not, you know, I can't not predict that most people will be statistics.
I could say like Brett Cooper, for example, I think she'll stay married if I had to predict.
Yeah.
You know, but, you know, but she, even her, she still didn't take her husband's last name publicly.
So which I think that definitely is kind of a bad sign.
It is a bad sign, you know.
Yeah.
You also say that there's a difference between Protestant traditionalism and Catholic traditionalism.
This is what I've been seeing at least.
In the Protestant circles, there's a lot of excuses made for divorcing on the grounds of abuse.
Whereas in Catholics, they're very anti-birth control and very anti-divorce, much more so than Protestant Christians are.
And I think, I wonder if maybe you've done a study in the difference between like a Catholic trad and a Protestant trad.
Yeah, I'll just give my anecdotal experience.
I know, I don't want to misquote this to you, but I know when they look at divorces, Catholics' rate isn't very different than the other.
Maybe it's 10% less, but it's still significant.
What they'll do, and this is kind of a common religious argument, is they'll say they're not like real.
So they'll say, you're not real.
If you're not praying once a day, you don't count.
If you don't do this, you don't count, you know.
And to me, that's kind of like picking and choosing, you know?
Yeah.
I could say that any person who's divorcing their husband isn't a sincere Christian.
And I would probably believe that, like, for the majority of women who are doing that.
Yeah, but it's still tough for the men if they're picking wives at 20.
They don't know at 30, is she going to still be a real Catholic, you know?
Yeah, we don't, they, they can't, they can't know, um.
But when it comes to just anecdotally, growing up in Catholic, like I went to Catholic school, I didn't really see a big difference in the behavior.
Um, I would get you know, I would say, you know, my producer is like very, very Catholic.
He could tell you more about, like the Latin Mass community.
Like they're a bit more strict than like the normal.
You know, I'm sure you're, you're probably in a Latin Mass one right yeah, my husband's Latin Mass.
Yeah, you guys are more yeah, you guys are more serious than the.
You know but um, the worst divorce story I ever had, one of them was from a Latin Mass community.
Like, I've done a lot of interviews of like men that went through really bad divorces.
The probably the worst one was from he married a woman that, like went to a traditional Latin Mass, wow.
So you know again, I don't try to like, I don't try to like.
You know I really was happy I grew up with married parents.
I was really happy, we were Catholic.
But I just don't see that as a guarantee for 20 year old men today.
Does that make sense?
What do you see as a guarantee?
I guess that's maybe another thing that I wonder, like, are you just predicting trends or do you also hope to see men find success and happiness?
Um, I don't see anything as a guarantee.
I think there's no guarantees in life.
I don't I follow incentives.
So as long as people are getting paid for being fake Christians on the internet, I think we're always gonna see it.
The problem is, as long as women are paid to leave their husbands and their children or take the children, I don't think it'll stop.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, I think I also like wrote a bit of that because, like I think one of the I did watch like two of your videos on like divorce and stuff you know sin, like have sinned them since they were born, that like both men and women have an ego.
But whereas a man's ego is gonna make him like watch out for his public personality and his his public like um, respectability, like you know, he wants to be respected in the public eye and he's more respected if he has a wife who's staying with him and he has children who's staying with him, whereas a woman, she might find respect more if she's on her own and she's like look at me, i'm doing my thing on my own and I don't need no man kind of thing.
And I think that there's ego in both ways and sometimes um, an egotistical man is is not necessarily um, he's not necessarily motivated to take good care of his wife.
As long as his wife is staying with him, he might like incur like, use abuse or whatever to make her stay with him, whereas a woman who's egotistical might, like you know, file lawsuit against her husband, take everything that he owns.
It's still abuse on both sides, like she's taken all of his financial stability and he's taken, you know, all of her personal security.
But there's like still like these egos.
But in a good marriage there's no ego.
A man is actually providing and protecting his wife and a woman submitting to him and helping him with his dreams and staying loyal to him, and neither of them are worried about their ego or their like, like their public, their public um persona.
So the reason I think Women have more egos is I think social media has like given us delusion basically, where we even like, I don't know if you were watching the show earlier, maybe not, but I covered a woman.
It's totally fine.
I covered a woman who like she's using filters, right?
And she's arguing with men on the internet that she's still hot.
It was just weird.
But they like, I think the women, they get such attention from the filters that and like the fake hair, the fake, you know, they don't dress like you dress very modestly, but if you were to not do that, you would get attention from very high-level men, right?
Even like anyone, you know, anyone that, yeah.
So I would call it the sin of vanity.
I think women suffer with vanity more than men do.
And men suffer with like actual pride and egotism more than women do.
It's both the same thing, but there's like a kind of a different brand.
Like vanity is much more of an extreme sin for women.
Well, my point is more, I don't think we deal with reality until our looks start to fade because the world gives us so many opportunities that men, they just they're just told they suck from a young age and that humbles them a little bit, you know.
I have seven brothers, so I also do see the difference between how like women and men get treated like in the public sphere.
Yeah.
I've been really frustrated with my two brothers just under me are now married, but they have had horrible dating experiences.
I also had horrible dating experience before I met my husband, but girls can be were quite mean to my brothers.
I will say that.
Like it was kind of sad.
Yeah.
But yeah, I hated it.
I think that's another thing that too that's like encouraged my sisters and I to be like honest with the men who pursued us.
We were like, we didn't want to be like the girls who were mean to our brothers.
Yeah.
Kind of thing.
Yeah.
What was the third one?
You said women are more, there is a subset.
Okay.
I think we, that was kind of the first one.
Yeah.
There are a subset of women who would never dream of divorcing their husbands, even in the case of adultery.
How do we find these women and how do we raise the numbers in a healthy way?
You know, like just from interviewing people.
Sorry, I'm going to read this one more time because I think I was kind of mumbling.
So her third point, guys, was statistically women are more likely to file for a divorce.
However, they're a subset group of women that would never dream of divorcing their husbands, even in the case of adultery.
How do we find these women and how do we raise the numbers in a healthy way?
So I think that the reason red pill content came out, I don't know if you know too much of the history of it.
But just barely.
Yeah.
Well, it was men in forums trying to solve their problem.
The other men would say, hey, try this, see if this works.
Try this, see if that works.
So I think, you know, if there was a way to do that, men would have figured it out.
I just think there's no guarantees in just like, you know, the men 15 years ago or 20 years ago with your mom and your aunts, it was a roll of the dice which sister to pick, right?
You got, they got one and they got complete loyalty and they got another and they got divorce.
Like one, it sounds like had an amazing life and one.
And I think you could probably see that in the differences.
Like in any family, I think you can notice like differences.
So I think it's a little bit predictable on the individual.
Like I think a lot of boys, they see a pretty girl and they don't look at her values or in the word she's saying and they just marry her for her looks.
That's often the role of device of dice.
But if our women, our brothers have asked us sisters, oh, which girl should I go for?
And us girls, like, oh, that girl is bad news.
And then they date her and then we're like, well, we kind of told you so.
Going after a girl, like my one brother, he just married a girl who was one of my sister's friends.
And my sister kept being like, hey, you should just date this girl.
She might not be as pretty as the other girls, though she actually is pretty.
But, you know, at first glance, she's like a very conservative girl.
And he's, and my sister is just like, go for this girl.
She's a little shy.
She's, but she, this is the girl who's going to stick with you.
And my brother was like that.
And I think that's one way that we can help men is if men have trusted female friends, especially ones who are already married.
We know if a girl is going to be, if a woman's going to be like a submissive, loyal wife and if she's going to be like telling her husband, like, no, no sex, or like doing all these types of things, because it's women who like tell each other things like, who, who give each other these types of encouragement and this type of advice that, you know, of like, oh, you know, like you shouldn't be like using as a sex as a bribe.
You should be like loving your husband through all things.
And like, you know, like there are whole books written on this for women that women either choose to read or choose to reject or hear it from other wiser women.
Like my grandma, she gave me excellent marriage advice that I took.
My aunts also gave me bad marriage advice, but I had to choose who to listen to.
Exactly.
And unfortunately, what women are choosing to listen to is the only fans, right?
That's, that's what's going up in numbers.
Crazy.
Unfortunately.
I do think that men are blinded by beauty a lot of the times.
I do agree with you.
There are times.
And when I was interviewing men that were completely wrecked by a divorce, there were times where I would interview someone and say, yeah, of course she was going to do that.
Like, obviously.
But then there were times where the woman changed.
She got into the wrong friend group and she sort of changed.
She started watching the, you know, there's whole websites dedicated to convincing women to like rationalize leaving their husband and convince them that they're a be, you know, there's just so much working against everything that it takes a really strong woman like yourself, you know, to go against it.
And I just, if I'm a betting woman, I don't think there's enough wives to go around.
And the other challenge you get is the wives that are there have so many options that sometimes it ruins them too.
Yeah.
No, it's an intentional thing.
I myself over the course of my 20s, because I'm getting closer to being 30 at this point.
And I've had like a lot of ups and downs through my 20s being single for like most of that, you know.
And there were moments where I was like, I never identified as a feminist because I like hated that term ever since I was a kid.
But I, there were moments where I saw myself becoming more feminist minded and or I would be like, oh, maybe I ran a really successful business for a few years and I felt very like empowered through that.
And so I had to like think about these words in a way because like, what does it mean for a woman to be empowered in a way that's actually healthy for her long term?
How do I continue to keep myself vulnerable and feminine, even when the world is trying to make me something that's not vulnerable and feminine?
And these things were difficult things.
And I went through periods where I like almost was like the red pill woman, you know, who hated men kind of thing.
Vice versa.
I don't know if that's a term or not, but you know what I mean?
And so like I would have to literally like like put myself in this mindset and be like, okay, for these next five months, I'm only going to wear dresses that have flowers on them instead of wearing my more practical, sturdy dresses.
Or I'm only going to talk, or every time a man asks me, I'm going to say yes.
Cause I went through a phase where I said no to a bunch of men.
And I was like, wait, this is probably not actually good for me or for them.
So I started like giving men like for a five month span.
I went out with every man who asked me out.
And then if I felt like I didn't see it going in a good direction, I would give them kind feedback like I would want girls to do for my brothers kind of thing.
That's my husband.
Hi.
Yeah.
But I think that's what it boils down to is that it is true that any woman can be corrupted by her friend group or by the world around her or by her experiences.
And that's why she has to like remain intentional and focus on God and focus on beauty and focus on what it means to be a woman in order to combat how easy it is to fall into like a dark side of feminine nature.
Yeah.
And I totally agree, but my point is it's in everybody.
And so even like women, like you seem, you know, very like you seem like you'd be a green flag, but even you're capable of falling too.
Oh, yeah, I'm capable.
We're all capable of it.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And the challenge is men just have a lot to lose nowadays.
And some men are just going to say it's not worth the risk, right?
Not all.
Like your husband, he said worth it, you know, but that's just not every guy.
I will say though, for the men who, for the men, like my husband says his life is completely different.
And I know my life's completely different.
We both feel changed by marriage because there's something in you that if you're doing it with God at the center of it and like you literally are doing it out of a sense of love instead of out of a sense of, oh, my needs first kind of thing, it is such a beautiful thing because we both become a better version of ourselves.
And it's not healthy for men to hate women anymore than it's healthy for women to hate men.
We're both made to love each other and to be loved by each other.
Yeah.
So the challenge with marriage, the challenge I have is I know with every 100 men that get married, there will be a percentage that commit suicide.
There will be.
There's no like if, ands, or buts.
The suicide rate rises around the age they get married.
It's either 40 or 45.
Can't remember off the top of my head.
I have, I just can't morally push it.
I'll give you an example.
There's a woman who she, or a man I just interviewed the other day.
He's around 60 years old and he was just put on alimony for the next.
His wife, they had six kids.
They adopted three.
She divorced him when they were teenagers.
I'm sure at your age, they felt the same way you did.
They were both Christians.
At 60, she changed her mind.
And now he has to put off retirement until he's 75.
That's almost slavery, right?
I don't, I don't wish that.
I don't, I like, I don't, I hope that's not you.
I hope that's not anyone I talk to, but I just can't not look at the stats and like I would feel bad if I pushed that.
Someone did it.
And then they end up enslaved to a woman for 18 years.
Another example, and I get messages from men telling me that they chose that because they thought it was the right thing because of their religion and how much it messed up their lives.
Like Steven Crowder is another example.
And I use him a lot.
Yeah.
But, you know, he's a bad story.
That's a terrible story.
And she was a virgin bride.
Yeah.
And, you know, she, they went through a terrible divorce.
He was giving her $30,000.
I mean, I'll take a slap for $30,000 a month.
And he wasn't hitting her, but I'm just saying, you know.
So it's, I just can't be blind to it.
And I know there's winners and there's people it really works out for.
But, you know, the men are going to look at it and think, well, what do I get out of marriage that I don't get out of a girlfriend?
And feedback I've gotten from men is a lot of times they get the ring and the behavior gets worse.
So they're thinking, why don't I just not do that?
You know?
Yeah.
And that's a good question for women to consider too, because they should make sure that whatever they're giving their husband after they get the ring is just as good, if not better, than before they get the ring.
No, I think that's a fair criticism.
Yeah.
Well, it's, you know, I try not to say should.
I used to say it a lot.
Like, I can't say this one phrase because it got me kicked off of YouTube, but women, you know, like the voting stuff, I can't talk about that on YouTube anymore.
But The it should is just like a wish list.
It's still not a prediction.
Like saying women should do this, like they're not predicted to.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's an individual thing.
You can't, you can't make women all be good mothers and wives.
It's something that a woman needs to decide on her own.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How can I tell a real trad from a LARPer?
Was that so?
You said they can't represent trad culture because they weren't raised in it and aren't intuitively traditional.
Likewise, most women purporting to be conservative online aren't actually conservative.
However, this doesn't mean that true traditional women don't exist.
Who are they?
What are they?
What do they look like?
How can I tell a real trad from a trad LARPer?
So I'm under the belief that there's no traditional women anymore.
And the reason I think that is because women always have the upper hand.
So like if men, you know, right now in a marriage, men have no way of enforcement.
So if she says, I want to leave and I want to steal your kids and your money, she ultimately has the upper hand because she has the leverage.
I think the only way you can be in a traditional marriage is if somehow the men have the leverage.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I guess I would partially disagree because a lot of women who are actually raised in fundamental traditional homes are usually terrified of divorce because they're, I don't know if you know those women.
They're very controversial people.
Christian women actually and her just she would lose everything.
So she might get money from her husband, but her husband's already pretty poor to begin with because people in these what religion are they?
They're in Tennessee and they're what?
They're evangelical Christian.
So a little bit Pentecostal.
It's really hard.
They're not a specific denomination.
They're their own brand of Christianity.
But evangelical.
I would be very surprised if there was no divorcees in there.
I would be really.
There are divorces, but they're the black sheep of their circles.
I would have to, if they're not Amish, I would sort of have to.
I'm welcome.
I'm open to going, you know, but I would sort of have to see it to believe it.
Because what I would need to see from those communities is women getting married around the age of 22, where they're dedicating their youth and having children young.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Oh, most of these girls in these communities get married between the ages of 16 and 18.
And so in my circles, I didn't get married until I was 27.
And everyone thought I was never going to get married because if you're not married by the time you're 22 or 23 in my circles, it's like, oh, there's something wrong with you.
Or maybe like you're too intimidating for men or a bunch of different reasons why I wasn't married by the time I got married.
But like all my friends were married between the ages of 16 and 20.
And in my friend group, I have like I had like 30 bridesmaids at my wedding.
Wow.
And in my friend, I have a lot.
You would want a lot of bridesmaids.
I had one friend who's divorced in my friend group and all of us disapprove of her divorce.
I told her the whole time she was doing wrong.
Her parents told her she was doing wrong.
Everyone told her she was doing wrong.
And it's turned out that because she just divorced him for mental abuse, right?
It wasn't for anything that was actually like legit.
Yeah.
Her sons now have a terrible life, all this stuff.
But the point of it is that in our circles, she's a minority.
She's like, she's not the person who is being applauded for this or is a majority.
So, but I would still say it's a prediction because it sounds like your friends are around 30, right?
They're 28 to 30.
At this point, yeah, most of them have been married.
Most of them have like several kids and have been married for about 10 years.
The average age of marriage is it's you see where okay.
You see, women, if they're going to put their money where their mouth is, what they do when they're done having children.
So, typically, women divorce when the youngest kid they want to have is in preschool.
So, I don't know how many kids they're having.
Like, but I really wouldn't.
What?
They're all they all want large families, lots of kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and the thing is, I've just seen too much.
And like, the, the, the women that have a lot of kids, they do divorce.
They just do it a little bit later.
It's like after the not always, right?
I'm sure there's some that are going to stay.
I would be surprised if they're that different than the statistics.
Maybe 10% different, but I'd still guess that a third of them will divorce at some point.
Yeah.
I think my friends are the exception, but I'm just biased.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, I hope they are, right?
But I just, I got to be honest when I'm, you know, I'm not trying to lie or like, it's just from your perspective, you're reading statistics, right?
So I understand that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I understand that for sure.
What is breaking?
I don't watch breaking bad, so I didn't really understand the breaking bad.
Yeah.
So I just thought this was a really fun thing because it's a TV show that my husband and I recently watched watch.
And it's about this man who is this high school teacher and he's diagnosed with lung cancer.
Is that what it was, Andy?
Lung cancer.
And anyways, he decides that he's going to start making meth because he wants to provide his family this whole hoard of wealth before he dies.
And it basically goes into this idea that it's a man's duty to provide for his family at any cost.
So is it actually morally good or bad for him to like make meth?
He's not using meth and he's just selling it to people who'd already be doing it anyways.
And anyways, he perfects his like most perfect line of meth and he gets involved in all this like really scary stuff.
And like halfway through the series, his wife ends up finding out what he's up to and like where all this money is coming from.
And she's pretty freaked out, but she, but she doesn't really support him very, like she basically liked him while she when she thought he was like this, you know, socially good person who, you know, abided by all the rules of society.
She didn't like that he wasn't making as much money as she thought he was.
But now that he's making all this money from meth, she's not really sure, but she wants the money.
And so it's like she files for divorce, but she still wants the money.
And anyways, as the series goes on, Walter like loses the very thing he was fighting for, which was his wife and his children because he loses their respect and they just hate him because he made meth.
But they can't see that he did it for them because society has purported this idea that it's a man's duty to provide for his family at any cost.
Like, does that exclude making meth?
It's like, it like brings up these really great like moral cross-questions about like how society views a man's duty to his family and how a family like goes with that.
Well, there's a sequel series called Better Call Saul.
And it's about this lawyer who is morally corrupt and he does all this crazy stuff.
And he's got this girlfriend who's a really good girl.
She's got, she's a lawyer also.
And she's like really made it, goes to another state and doesn't support anything.
But then when Jimmy goes to prison and gets out, is in prison, she goes and visits him and she's like the person that stays with him through this time because now that he's like in his time of recovery, she's there and she's going to be the one that sticks by him.
Whereas when Walter was in his hard moment, his wife turned on him and left him.
But Jimmy's woman actually stayed with him throughout the whole thing.
And I think it's two really good examples for modern men of a woman who like isn't going to stick with you through thick and thin, but she still wants you to abide by society's rules.
And the woman who kind of wants you to abide by society's rules, but she really wants you just actually to do what's right by your neighbor.
And if you don't do what's right, well, then she's going to separate from you.
Like this, both couples were legally married.
Like she's going to separate from you, but then once you go back to doing what's right, she's going to come back.
She's going to be there for you.
And I just thought it was a really beautiful example of like two different couples that were middle-class, normal American couples.
Yeah.
Sorry, the cynic in me.
I think that the women would be more interested when they found out their husband's selling meth.
And the reason is because I see what happens with Louis G's shooter.
Yeah.
You know, the women have him on like t-shirts now.
And they're saying like, yeah, it's kind of weird.
Yeah.
You know, I think it depends on the age group.
Maybe middle-class women would be horrified if their husbands were selling meth.
Maybe.
Well, the way I would actually analyze that is when women, women go for security and they go for excitement, right?
So that's why when we go for, you know, the celebrities, the like drug dealers in this case, and then women go for the safe guy.
And I think when women think they have the safe guy and he starts doing the exciting guy things, that like it, then they get mad.
They leave, you know?
Okay.
That actually could also be a fair analysis of that thing because Skye was definitely into Walter because of him being safe.
Whereas Jimmy, Kim liked Jimmy because he was exciting, but then she realized that it was not actually good for either of them.
And it was like kind of a bad thing.
Yeah.
With speaking without a narrative, how to talk about, I can't say women are, I can't say that on YouTube.
There's certain, I can't make certain generalities about women on YouTube, but I'll try to let people read between the lines without saying it.
How to talk about women being live backwards in a way as to promote goodness in women.
Okay.
So you're essentially saying that I need to say it in a different way.
Well, I guess it just depends on your point.
If your point is to promote, it seems like your audience is mostly men, whereas my audience is mostly women.
So when I have my, like, if you're going to have a narrative, I guess, like your narrative needs to promote something or another.
Like my narrative is to promote more goodness in women and more loyalty and more submission and more beauty.
So therefore, I might talk about how like women are inclined to do all these bad things, but let's not do those bad things.
And this is how we can't, we get away from doing those bad things.
Whereas it seems like you're mostly talking to men.
So maybe you make it clear that if women get mad at you, you're like, well, I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to men.
If you don't want to be the statistic, don't be the statistic kind of thing.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, it sounds like you're in like a coaching type of business.
You might coach women.
I don't tell you what I do.
I just have a sub stack and I write articles about like why men find dresses more attractive than jeans and why it's good to be more like I just like write basically from the Bible from scripture and from tradition why these things are good for women to do and how it can create a better spirit in us and all these different things.
But yeah, I don't make that.
Well, it sounds like maybe it's like religious content or it's like it sounds like it's like if I was to read your article, I would say, oh, maybe I'm wearing jeans today.
Oh, maybe I'll wear a dress, right?
That would be like the end game of it, right?
I mean, I do employ a lot of generalities too, which I get a lot of hate for too.
But it's, it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
I'm not going to say that a woman who's wearing jeans isn't a real woman.
I might sometimes say that, like maybe if a woman wants to be feminine, and I guess one of the thing I get a lot of hate for, especially recently, is I'll be like, conservative women, why do you hate it when men wear dresses when you wear jeans?
Like, isn't it hypocritical?
That's a good way.
I do wear jeans, but that's a very good comeback.
Like hating people for something that we're doing ourselves.
So, I'm not going to allow my sons to wear dresses.
I'm also not going to allow my daughters to wear jeans and like let's be consistent in our ideology and not just hate people for no reason whatsoever.
Yeah, totally.
But so, I do think there's self-improvement niches, but that's just a different niche.
Like, when I do my show, I'm trying to predict trends, say where this is going, and point out gynocentrism.
So, I'm pointing out like the worship of women.
Like, so that's really my point is just to point out where it's going.
I think self-improvement, like, I would never tell men how to date women, for example, or where to, because I've never, I don't date women.
That's not my niche.
You know, so you're still, it's just a different niche, right?
Yeah, I think that's fair to distinguish from.
Like, I specifically speak to teenage girls.
Like, I interact with teenage girls and email them.
And basically, like, when I was a teenage girl, I wanted someone as a role model that wasn't divorced, that had a had a happy marriage that like dressed in a way that I thought was beautiful and not just lovingly, you know.
And so, basically, I'm trying to be for teenage girls what I wanted as a teenage girl.
And I'm encouraging other women to also be for younger women what they wish that they had as a role model when they were younger.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
You know, I have a very good friend.
Her name's like Maggie, and she does something, she does femininity content, and it's really great.
And I like have gone to a couple of her events.
That's just not, I'm just not in that niche.
I wouldn't feel, I guess, like, I just wouldn't, that wouldn't really be what I would do.
Like, I think there's better women, like other women can learn from.
I wouldn't really point to me.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys, there's better women.
Women need, and I don't mean that as a dig at myself.
I just mean I think there's like better role models that can do that.
Just know your vocation.
Yeah.
Women without a narrative.
Oh, women need men.
Men also need women.
This can be beautiful if we make it a dance instead of a war.
We learn to submit.
So it's a gift instead of a kink.
So I don't think men need women.
I really don't.
I think that it can be helpful to them.
So I'll say Elon Musk as an example.
I think that regardless of if he had women, he was going to build rockets and just do really awesome things, even if he never gets married forever.
Trump's been married three times.
I think it's been great for him to like that he met.
I love Melania.
I think she's amazing.
I'm like a big fan.
But I think that successful men that are on a mission are going to do it regardless of if we're there.
And a lot of times what I see is women take the credit for their husband's success when I think that he was going to do that anyway.
And you can either be, you can be an asset and the women that are assets, the men have no problem saying how awesome you were.
But I think if like women were really known for being assets, then men would be sign lining up to get married.
And they're just not, you know.
Yeah.
So I disagree with this for, I think, three reasons.
And I think it's all based on whether or not you accept religion and Christianity.
But the first one is like, I believe that God created Adam and that Adam was like, you know, the ruler of the earth and of creatures and the steward of the trees and the animals and all that.
But he was lonely and he was incomplete without a helpmeet.
Therefore, God made him a woman.
He needed a woman.
If Adam hadn't had a woman, Adam would not have been quite as fulfilled in the same way.
And of course, you know, there's the whole like story of the fall, whatever.
But then we go further to the Proverbs 31 woman, which is the ideal woman.
She's not ideal because of all these reasons.
The main reason she's ideal is because of what she does quietly and behind the stage.
Her husband receives glory for it.
And I think a lot of women mix this up.
They think, oh, well, because I'm behind my husband, I'm receiving the glory through him.
No, you're not receiving the glory through him.
Your husband receives glory because you're setting the stage for him.
And I would go further to say that men like Elon Musk and Donald Trump, while they are receiving glory and we don't see the woman behind them, I would say there are women behind them that we don't see.
And those women are doing their jobs very well because we don't see them.
If you see a woman and she's receiving as much glory or more glory than her husband, she's doing her job incorrectly.
And you see a man who is getting a lot of glory.
I assume usually there's a woman behind him and she's doing her job correctly.
So I more look to the, I'm not overly religious.
So, you know, I do believe in God, but I wouldn't, I'm not a Bible scholar.
You know, I don't argue religion.
But I would more look for it's better for a man to be alone than with a quarrelsome wife.
And if I statistically look at the market right now, we're looking at women that have been on social media from the time they're 12.
On average, they have $35,000 in debt.
You know, this sounds nice, but if we go through the numbers, so they're irresponsible.
They're irresponsible with money, right?
They're overweight.
The average woman gains like 20 pounds in the first five years of marriage and we're already overweight.
So it's, I just think that, and the general perception of men is saying that women are not easy to date or get along with.
I think in 20, maybe back then they were helpful.
In 2024, I see more women destroy men than I see actually support them for a lifetime.
Yeah.
I think that one's more common than the other.
Maybe it's the, maybe we're in end times.
I don't know.
But, you know, I just, I can't, um, I can't not see what's right in front of me because I want to, you know, like the religion, like that sounds nicer, what you said, but I just have to be honest with what I would predict.
Yeah.
I think that's a very fair distinction.
And you are right that the majority of the proverbs scattered throughout the proverbs are, oh, it's worse to work like a, like a, a quarrelsome wife or a nagging wife is worse than a dripping faucet or it's worse than being alone.
Like that's a dripping faucet.
That's funny.
And it's not like, yeah, it's dripping faucet.
Like it's worse than a dripping faucet, like a woman nagging.
It's like, oh, a dripping faucet.
That's horrible.
And you keep hearing this throughout like the first 30 chapters of the Proverbs.
And you don't actually get a picture of what the perfect woman is until the last chapter.
First, you're like, watch out for this woman.
Watch out for this woman.
Like these are all the women you should be watching out for.
There's a lot of bad women to be watching out for.
But the ideal woman, she's like making sure that your home is a place of industry and is beautiful and things are being produced and things are happening.
And in fact, she's so, she's so resourceful and so industrious and so reliable that you can sit at the city gates and gossip and gab and smoke with your friends.
And you don't have to worry about what she's doing back at home because she's taking care of everything and she's doing it so well that while you're sitting there at the gates gabbing with your friends, they're giving you glory because your wife is like not bringing any shame to your home.
Like that is what the ideal woman does.
And unfortunately, we don't see that very much in society.
But and women also hate the image of the Proverbs 31 woman, I think, because they want to justify their gabbing and their nagging and they're like, you know, court quarreling.
Like women want to justify all that.
But at the end of the day, like it's very clear that the ideal woman is someone who is setting the stage, setting the home, making everything comfortable and cozy, making sure that her husband feels supported and loved all the time.
And not in a way just for bribing and forgetting what she wants.
And so she can have access to credit cards, et cetera, et cetera.
The funny thing is, my husband actually just posted something on Twitter, I want to say like two days ago or so.
Basically, he was just bragging about me.
And he was saying how, like, oh, you need to find a woman who's like going to stick with you for thick and thick and thin.
And like, here's some like litmus test things.
It's like, is she willing to eat roadkill with you?
Is she willing to embrace poverty with you?
Is she willing to like, you know, deny worldly success and wealth?
And is she like willing to do all these things?
And people got so mad.
And they're like, it's okay for me to want to be a princess if we want to be taken care of.
Like, he wasn't saying that he makes me suffer.
My husband does not make me suffer.
But he knows at the end of the day that like, if we go through anything hard, I'm not going to leave him be like, oh, well, you're not making enough money.
So like this is over.
Like that's like, that's not how I see it.
And the challenge, the challenge is we don't actually know that at this point.
And I don't mean, like, I want to give you every benefit of the doubt.
And you seem very nice.
I don't think you would.
But we can't even, even his list, we can't even know right now if it's right because you guys have been married two years.
About a year.
And of course, I've done all these things before him because my family grew up eating roadkill and stuff.
So that's why he uses that as an example.
And I'm sure many men would love to date a near-Amish woman.
Like, guys in the chat, would you near Amish?
I mean, they, you know, but it's just not.
Sorry, go ahead.
I was for three years.
So I was almost Amish for three years.
Yeah.
But that's just not the norm.
And that's not like most men can't really expect that.
And just like anecdotally, I can maybe think of like a couple women that fit the description.
I just don't think it's really the norm, you know?
Yeah.
I guess I got to come back on when I'm 35 and then when I'm 60.
And then yeah, that's the, that's the, well, the problem is we look at the divorce rate of people that are 60 and it's just, it's pretty high.
It's actually really sad.
We just met this, and I hate to be validating your points, but we just met this man in Madawaska, Maine.
Oh, he was the most sweetest man we'd ever met.
And he was like, what, 90 years old?
And he'd been married to his wife, who they had 10 children together, and they'd been married forever.
And he decided that it was time for him to retire because he'd been working for his entire life at this factory.
And his wife wasn't ready for him to retire.
And she's like, if you retire, I'm going to divorce you.
And he's like, oh, you got to be kidding.
I'm retiring.
I'm done working because he was past retirement age.
Yeah.
He might be like 70.
I don't remember how old he was, but he was definitely way past 60.
He was like in his 70s or 80s.
She filed for divorce and he lost everything at like that far into his marriage.
And that is really, really tragic.
Like, I mean, stories like that, I feel like maybe it's your job to predict them.
And it's my job to like speak out against them because like that's just like not right.
And I don't, I don't think there's any way to justify that.
And there's, you can't stop it either.
I probably, yeah, when a woman wants to divorce, there's nothing.
Unfortunately, there's just, let's just say, and you guys have your kids.
You have an amazing family in 10 years.
You want a divorce.
The government will assist you.
The police will assist you.
The media.
Even like if you get shunned from your community, it's pretty easy for women to restart in a new city, download a dating app, marry a guy, new community.
Have you ever watched the movie Fireproof?
It's actually one of the only movies I've ever seen that is against this whole idea of a woman filing for divorce and a man trying to be again fight for his marriage.
Fireproof.
I don't think so.
It's by a Christian public.
Actually, the guy who plays in it is Cameron Kirk, I think.
He's known for like left behind movies.
I don't know if you've heard of that.
Yeah.
But anyways, what was that?
I said, yeah, okay.
I'm looking.
I've never seen it, but I've just looked it up on the screen.
It might be interesting to your research because it actually became really popular for a while.
The plot of the movie is this woman decides she's fed up with her husband and she's going to divorce him.
And she has like maybe legit reasons because he's addicted to porn or whatever, but she's decided she's had enough and she's falling for a divorce.
And the man's like, oh, no, I want to save my marriage.
So he heals, like, he quits his porn addiction and he starts going to church and he starts doing all these things and he starts trying to get his wife to fall back in love with him.
And she just like won't.
And so he like writes this whole like, love, love your wife no matter how she reacts and 40 days of like falling back in love with his wife kind of thing.
And by the end of, I won't give the plot of the way, but it's basically just a, it's just a movie that's encouraging people to like try to keep their marriages and make their marriages fireproof.
Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Sorry, I'm just listening to it.
No, when women want to leave, they're done.
And you're going to put yourself through hell if you try to make her happy and she's not.
That's my opinion on it.
And the other challenge is in the Christian communities, they always blame the lack of, they always blame men's corn addiction, but what they don't talk about is a lot of the women don't sleep with their husbands.
And I know this because I interviewed OnlyFans workers and their customer base is white married men.
Like Christian marriage, like that's who they market to, sadly.
That's why they keep, that's why they keep doing this OF to Christian grift is because it's just like, it's the same.
Unfortunately, it's the same guys buying it.
So I don't think I would like, I'll watch the movie if you want, but I might roast it.
I might.
I'll do a show on it.
It sounds like you might roast a little bit because you're kind of right.
Like it does kind of make it initially the guy's fault, even though they do say that it's both people's fault.
They never acknowledge that maybe she's also like not doing something right.
Because a lot of places aren't going to be like, oh, well, she's not sleeping with him.
They're never going to talk about that.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or, I mean, like, men don't really want you to do it if you don't want to either.
So that's like, what do you, you know, like what it's kind of a, yeah.
So I think that's all your points.
Um, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Do you have anything else?
This is good.
I think the only other thing that I disagree with you online, and it's completely a non-sequador, but like sometimes you'll post about like how women shouldn't be posting pictures of their children online.
And I actually strongly disagree with that.
And I actually wrote a whole article about why I think it's good and why I think it's a fear psyop to not post pictures of your kids and how I think it's this like this thing that's like trying to make the whole online world into this place of consent and everyone's a pedophile and all these like scary dangerous things.
When in reality, like having pictures of children inspires people to have children and seeing other people, like a lot of people are never even going to be around children, or if they do see children in public, parents like, oh, stay away from my cake because you might be creepy.
Like, I think that's a really unhealthy mentality, but we should just be like, like, having pictures of smiling children online is like a really beautiful thing.
My dad, because I'm the oldest of 12 kids and my dad was a political activist.
He used to share pictures of our whole family.
And first off, it validated that he was like a family man and that all of our kids' smiles were like kind of made people like, oh, yeah, he's not a bad man.
Look at all of his kids smiling.
And it made people realize that he was in this because of his heart and not for like money or anything.
He never made money off of his work.
With that people's.
Wouldn't you say you're using your kids to boost your reputation?
No, I don't think that's it at all.
I think that a father, when he's prideful and like proud of his family, he's going to look at my family.
It doesn't necessarily boost his reputation.
It does add glory to his reputation in a good and healthy way.
Like, I do think people use it in maybe a wrong way to boost their reputation sometimes.
But I think like occasionally posting a picture of your child out of like, oh, I love my child, my beautiful child smile is like a good and healthy thing and innocent.
Do you think that kids have a right to privacy growing up?
I think that this whole idea that children have like separate rights of their own is kind of bizarre, I guess.
I believe that children under a certain age are under the stewardship of their parents.
The parent decides if they are educated and how they're educated.
I mean, like, at least in America, because I was homeschooled, so I didn't go to public school.
My parents made the decision whether I was poet schooled or homeschooled.
It wasn't my right to decide that for myself.
It was my parents' right to decide whether or not I did my chores or not.
It wasn't my right to be like, oh, you know what?
I think I don't feel like doing my chores a day.
It's like, nope, I don't have those types of rights.
But this idea that, oh, a child has all these, all these rights puts it to like this lawyer.
My husband calls it like this lawyer's fantasy playground, where everything is the terms of consent or not consent.
That's just not how it works in real life.
Like we just don't have that.
But we do agree that kids have some rights.
Like they have the right to not be abused, for example.
They have the, you know, the right to have, like, if you can't take care of your kid, you know, like my family, we adopted three kids that like their parents just couldn't take care of them for whatever reason.
So I disagree with you that kids don't, I think there is a baseline of rights.
Yeah, which applies to all human beings.
When we go to Twitter, for example, you know, there's porn on Twitter, right?
Like, there's literal like porn.
So I just don't think it's overly wise to post your young children on a site that there's porn on.
You know, if it's one thing, it's for your friends and family.
I think that's different, like a private Facebook.
But I just start to see these trends of women sharing every intimate detail of their kids' life.
And I just think that's wrong.
Yeah.
And actually, in my essay, because I wrote a whole essay on this for Mary Harrington Substack.
And what I covered was that, like, there are certain things that are actually dangerous to share about your child, like your child's favorite teddy bear or your child's medical conditions or these different things about your child.
Because if a predator is going to come out to your child, he's going to look for what school does your child go to?
What things does your child carry, you know, as like a thing?
What like what kind of medical issues does your child suffer with?
And that's how a predator is actually going to get to your child.
But sharing a picture and having that picture like corrupted by a predator is actually extremely unlikely.
And there's no statistics that I could find that actually back up actually that actually endangers your child, the picture itself.
So yeah.
I guess, because my question is, what's more important, their privacy or clout?
And to me, like if you're constantly posting your own your kids, I think you're communicating to me that clout's more important, which is fine.
I don't think that every person that posts online their kids is going to, you know, be taken or whatever.
But, you know, you see them post their kids and they're bookmarked.
Well, what do people use bookmarks for?
Yeah.
You know, it is very funny.
My, my husband's mother is a school teacher and she showed everyone a picture.
I don't know if it's digital or not of Andy and I.
We were when we first got engaged.
And her, one of her students like copied that picture of us engaged and now keeps it on her like her school desk because she thinks it's like was like a romantic picture.
So like, I think there's like lots of reasons that people bookmark.
Maybe they think it's like cute or romantic.
They could have bad reasons too.
But not on, I mean, even today, like this girl didn't even post a picture of her daughter, but I covered a story.
You know, men are saying they're gonna rape, like, men are saying they'll rape her daughter who's 14, and they're like doing jokes about it or threaten it, whatever.
And you know, and you know, I'm like, well, what did you expect?
It's Twitter, you know, I think it's wrong, but I'm like, you're responsible.
Yeah.
And if you're as a parent and you want to say, okay, if something bad happens and take responsibility, fine.
But, you know, I just think it's, it's what you're communicating from my perspective, you're communicating to the world that the cloud is more important than your kids' privacy.
Yeah.
I guess I think it's not quite that to comment because, like, sorry, I don't mean keep on talking.
It's okay.
You're fine.
You're fine.
It's totally fine.
Like, I think that everyone who's on the internet, not necessarily, because it's not all about clout, but like we all kind of probably care about clout just a little teeny bit more than we should.
So you can't really separate it from that necessarily, though.
Maybe not everyone's thinking about clout when they post a picture of their kid.
But also, like, the whole idea of privacy, I'm not super into either.
Like, I don't think that we're meant to be private individuals, but community.
But thank you very much for coming on.
I very much enjoyed this.
There's a lot of people that talk.
And I don't know if I don't think you have, but I've seen a lot of people trash talk me on Twitter.
They never accept my invite to come on.
So very, you know, very bold of you to do it.
Most people won't.
I try not to trash talk anyone on Twitter because I don't feel like we can know someone from Twitter alone.
Yeah.
Well, if you want to tell them where they can find you, follow you on Instagram, Twitter.
Yeah.
On Twitter and Instagram, both.
It's Katura Abigail.
That's K-E-T-U-R-A-H and Abigail, like typically how Abigail is spelled.
And then my substack is called Polite Company and it's at livingroomconversations.substack.com.
Okay.
Well, thank you very much, guys.
I'll give you a round of applause.
Yeah.
Thank you.
This was very fun.
I really enjoyed it.
I did too.
Have a good one.
Yeah, you too.
Thank you.
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Michael is the smartest kid in the class.
Caesar says the Daily Wire often gather to smoke cigars on sets while a real man like Andrew Wilson Chain smokes cigars in his house.
Respect.
Despite the prop of cigars I have in front of him, ideally, I highly doubt Knowles smokes them in his own house because of his wife.
If he knew the new paradigm for if he's the new paradigm for manhood, we're doomed.
Get that bag, girl, then go Tom.
Don't, I'm not reading that, okay?
Craig, looking good in black, Pearl, your comp, the choice is the simp or then choose divorce, give her everything and lose it all.
She has no Dobe, she has no idea what she is talking about.
We are as good as the freedom we are given.
Excellent marriage advice does not work.
The laws need to change.
Stop the incentive.
The rest follows.
Rebel, I totally disagree with her that men struggle with pride more than women.
I think that's completely off.
I agree, but hey, you know, we have a difference of opinion.
Um, Pearl, when are you getting married to your young man?
Should I ask him?
Should I should I send a should I ask?
Okay, um, she is showing off, oh, yeah, all these preachings.
You have every choice is an opportunity to do what is right or wrong, no matter how big the choice is.
Um, no, Joby, the moment she starts talking about Christianity, you need to bring Andrew Wilson into the debate.
Yeah, guys, I don't like to argue religion because I just don't have the theological foundation that a lot of these people have been studying for years.
It's just not, you know, I believe in God, but it's just not.
I'm not arguing religion.
Okay, if you don't find the right good woman alone is better, the not to be means that those who get more and more, even more broadly, look at anything we are suffering with now.
Everything started off benign and then became out with the fall.
The easiest thing to do is to make the internet for adults only.
They said Pearl's talking like a robot.
Okay, all right.
I need these, I need you guys, be nice.
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