Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - A Response to Trump & The PBD Podcast
Aired: 2026-04-03
Duration: 01:07:07


=== Coleman Intervention Explained (14:16) ===

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[00:00:26]  Let's start today's show.
[00:00:34]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:38]  I am Dave Smith.
[00:00:39]  He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:00:41]  How are you feeling, Rob?
[00:00:42]  I'm good, man.
[00:00:43]  How are you?
[00:00:44]  Good, good.
[00:00:45]  Can't complain.
[00:00:46]  You know, I mean, I can, and that's what we'll spend the next hour doing.
[00:00:50]  But I, you know, I'm doing good.
[00:00:53]  Not so sure the nation is, but we got a bunch of stuff to get into on the show today.
[00:00:58]  By the way, guys, April 11th, remember one night only, we will be up in Stamford, Connecticut at the New York. Comedy Club up there.
[00:01:06]  It's called the New York Comedy Club, but it's in Stamford, Connecticut.
[00:01:09]  But it's a great club.
[00:01:10]  Come on out.
[00:01:10]  Don't let the name fool you.
[00:01:12]  Don't be waiting for tickets in New York.
[00:01:14]  April 11th, two shows up there, one night only.
[00:01:17]  And then, of course, the week after that, we'll be back out in Chicago at the Rosemont and Chicago Zanies, which are two of our favorite clubs in the country.
[00:01:28]  So make sure you guys come on out to that comicdavesmith.com for all those ticket links.
[00:01:33]  And of course, go check out Run Your Mouth, Rob's Cranking Out content.
[00:01:37]  Anything else you want to add?
[00:01:38]  That's right.
[00:01:39]  I did a If you follow nothing in the war, you want your friends to get a recap of everything that's going on, you can check out my 1950s style newsreel pitching the developments in the war.
[00:01:48]  Came out pretty good.
[00:01:50]  It's the news that we can't get anymore that we really need, Rob.
[00:01:53]  It turns out we just needed 1950s style coverage of this and it would bring it all to a close.
[00:02:00]  All right.
[00:02:01]  So, look, obviously, there's a lot to get to in Donald Trump's speech last night, which is really quite something.
[00:02:08]  So, I want to get into that.
[00:02:10]  I do, Rob, I just feel I have to.
[00:02:15]  Respond to the crowd.
[00:02:16]  We're starting the show with this over Donald Trump's war pitch.
[00:02:19]  This is more.
[00:02:20]  I just want to get this out of the way so we can move on to the stuff that matters.
[00:02:26]  And I, you know, look, I know there will be people, I hear this sometimes.
[00:02:34]  I do read the comments and I do listen to the market.
[00:02:36]  So I know I hear this sometimes when people will say, you know, you're getting too involved in like whatever beef you had with this guy or the, you know, the, The kind of more personal stuff.
[00:02:48]  And I hear that.
[00:02:50]  I, you know, I think we do a pretty good job on this show of focusing on things that matter, things with substance.
[00:02:58]  I think I would like to compare our ratio of what we're talking about, really important things compared to nonsense to almost any other show.
[00:03:07]  And I think we come out more, I'm like talking about serious policy things.
[00:03:11]  Ironically, it's we're the two comedians.
[00:03:13]  But, you know, there's something also I hope you can understand in my position where.
[00:03:19]  Well, there's a couple things.
[00:03:21]  Number one, this is Patrick Pitt David, a huge show.
[00:03:25]  This is something that is going to be viewed by millions of people, and it's a segment largely about me.
[00:03:31]  It has been just the level of response to this has been enormous.
[00:03:36]  And also, I'm kind of furious about it.
[00:03:40]  And so I'm like, I just kind of got to vent a little here and get this off my chest and be able to say my side of this.
[00:03:48]  So, for anybody who did not see, Yesterday's Patrick Bid David show, they opened with a segment about the debate between me and Adam.
[00:04:01]  It was, I don't know, Rob, how to describe it.
[00:04:04]  It's.
[00:04:07]  It's some of the most uncomfortable I've ever been.
[00:04:09]  Like, it was genuinely uncomfortable.
[00:04:11]  I don't know if what other podcast I could watch that's been up there with just being this, like, oh, Jesus, like you're just like cringing inside as there's this like intervention on the show.
[00:04:24]  Now, I will say, because I'll explain what got me furious about it, but I will say that I thought Pat handled it really well, really well.
[00:04:35]  And I appreciated that.
[00:04:36]  You know, there's been, I saw there were a few people who were like, oh man, did Pat have to do this public?
[00:04:43]  And no, it's kind of, this is kind of harsh for him to do this to his boy.
[00:04:47]  Let me tell you something.
[00:04:48]  Adam did this to himself.
[00:04:50]  I didn't do this to Adam.
[00:04:51]  Pat didn't do this to Adam.
[00:04:53]  This was Adam's choice.
[00:04:55]  And then, you know, in fact, I went into that debate, which I said a couple of times during the debate.
[00:05:01]  I went into it like, we'll just, I don't know, we'll just talk about the issues.
[00:05:04]  Obviously, it was going to be a win for me.
[00:05:06]  It was never like really a question of that, but I was prepared to just make my points.
[00:05:12]  I like all those guys from the Patrick Bet David podcast.
[00:05:16]  They've been very good to me.
[00:05:17]  They've hosted me on some huge shows.
[00:05:19]  Obviously, the Chris Cuomo debate is something I'm enormously grateful for.
[00:05:23]  And Patrick Bet David is the reason that happened.
[00:05:27]  And everywhere I go around the country, people come up to me and just go, oh, dude, thank you for giving it to Chris Cuomo like that.
[00:05:36]  That debate meant a lot to me.
[00:05:38]  It meant a lot to a lot of people.
[00:05:39]  It is as sad as this is to say.
[00:05:42]  The only comeuppance for COVID tyranny that any of the guilty parties have ever gotten.
[00:05:47]  And then literally nothing.
[00:05:48]  Now, don't get me wrong.
[00:05:49]  They should get a lot more than that.
[00:05:51]  But Chris Cuomo still to this day tries to talk shit to me on social media.
[00:05:57]  Like it really bothered him that I destroyed him like that in front of so many people.
[00:06:02]  And you know what?
[00:06:03]  Okay.
[00:06:04]  We at least gave him that for all the years of trying to shame the rest of us.
[00:06:07]  So you know what?
[00:06:08]  Like we owe that moment to Pat.
[00:06:11]  And I respect.
[00:06:12]  I respect the platform that they've built.
[00:06:14]  I respect the show.
[00:06:15]  It's almost out of respect to the show that I have to respond to that.
[00:06:21]  But as Patrick McDavid said on the thing, he was as nice as you could be to Adam.
[00:06:27]  He was going out of his way to not throw him under the bus.
[00:06:30]  But he had said basically he had to let it be known.
[00:06:33]  There's no, Rob, you know how it is in this game.
[00:06:35]  There's no not addressing that.
[00:06:38]  It became such a huge thing.
[00:06:40]  It was dominating the comment section of every show.
[00:06:43]  And of course, look, as Pat said, people were wondering, full disclosure, I myself was wondering, did Pat green light this?
[00:06:53]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:06:53]  Like, was Pat involved in telling Adam to come at me like that?
[00:06:57]  Which was kind of hard to believe.
[00:06:59]  And Pat felt he had to make it clear that no.
[00:07:01]  And in fact, he's given Adam a lot of private advice to stop doing the dumb, unprofessional shit that he's doing.
[00:07:07]  And Adam doesn't want to listen to it.
[00:07:10]  So, anyway, Pat did not.
[00:07:14]  I appreciated what he said.
[00:07:16]  That did not bother me at all.
[00:07:17]  I like those guys, except for Adam.
[00:07:20]  I like Pat.
[00:07:21]  I like Vinny.
[00:07:24]  I don't have a problem with any.
[00:07:26]  I like Tom.
[00:07:26]  I don't have a problem with any of those guys.
[00:07:29]  Vinny, I'll take a little bit of issue with something he said, but I'm actually substantially more furious at Adam now than I was before.
[00:07:40]  Because that was, I don't know, Rob, that was the craziest, most womanly response to that situation I've ever seen in my life.
[00:07:49]  I actually couldn't believe it.
[00:07:50]  Like, I was blown away, not being a big fan of Adam.
[00:07:53]  Look, I've never respected Adam, but I liked Adam enough.
[00:07:57]  He was always a nice guy to me when I saw him.
[00:08:00]  He was taking shots at me over and over and over again for many months and personal shots.
[00:08:06]  And I noticed it, but didn't respond.
[00:08:08]  And eventually, he took one too many shots on Twitter.
[00:08:11]  So I smashed him on Twitter.
[00:08:12]  And then Piers Morgan wanted to set up the debate, and I was just going to go into it and do a normal debate.
[00:08:18]  It just would have been another episode of Piers Morgan where I made some good points, Adam flailed around, and we would have moved on.
[00:08:25]  Adam decided to try to come at me in a vicious way, and it was very easy to turn that around and make him the butt of the joke.
[00:08:35]  That's essentially what happened.
[00:08:37]  Anyway, do you have any thoughts on this before I get into what Adam said there?
[00:08:41]  You want me to just roll with this, Rob?
[00:08:42]  Okay.
[00:08:43]  Dude, Adam, for Adam in that moment to say when they're having, dude, he turns around and starts.
[00:08:55]  He actually tried to bring up the Coleman Hughes debate again on the show.
[00:08:59]  You can see the moment in Pat's face.
[00:09:01]  It's like a look of disbelief where he's like, yo, this guy just does not get it.
[00:09:06]  I mean, that is insane that that's, I mean, just think about this, dude.
[00:09:10]  He's literally sitting there.
[00:09:11]  The first thing he goes is when they're asking him, it's like, We have to address the topic.
[00:09:16]  Is we have to address this debate because you bombed so hard.
[00:09:21]  You humiliated yourself so badly that it can't not be addressed.
[00:09:26]  It's become the talk of the entire internet.
[00:09:29]  It's making our brand look bad.
[00:09:31]  What were you thinking?
[00:09:33]  How are you going to reinvent yourself?
[00:09:35]  And Adam's first response is he goes, Look, is Dave, this is what he does, which I don't think he understands what Eric looks mean.
[00:09:42]  He plays a song in his head that apparently is what he hears on repeat about how great he's doing in life.
[00:09:48]  Dude, there's just the worst acting.
[00:09:50]  I don't even read the comments.
[00:09:51]  Is there a thing?
[00:09:52]  I haven't even noticed.
[00:09:53]  Has there been, yeah, Adam, there's a pretty big thing.
[00:09:55]  And yeah, you're pretty aware of it, bro.
[00:09:58]  Like, but no, I'm just saying, ain't no man take my shot.
[00:10:03]  That's me.
[00:10:04]  I'm not crying at all, man.
[00:10:05]  I'm just thinking this great stuff.
[00:10:07]  Like, dude, are you out of your fucking mind?
[00:10:08]  You think this isn't transparent right now?
[00:10:10]  But then for him to have the nerve, the goal to start going, look, is Dave smart?
[00:10:17]  Yeah.
[00:10:17]  Does Dave.
[00:10:18]  Read books?
[00:10:19]  Yeah.
[00:10:20]  Is Dave funny?
[00:10:21]  No.
[00:10:22]  But you know, Dave got destroyed with Coleman Hughes.
[00:10:25]  And you know what bothers me?
[00:10:26]  This is what he says.
[00:10:26]  You know what bothers me is that he won't take accountability for that.
[00:10:31]  Brother, we are in the middle of an intervention on your show about how terrible you did.
[00:10:38]  And you're saying, I've never met a woman who has less accountability than Adam.
[00:10:42]  I think he does like a dating advice podcast or something like that.
[00:10:45]  You are the worst club hoe I've ever seen in my life.
[00:10:49]  You literally thought the moment there was for you to pass judgment on me and what you think I do good or what you think.
[00:10:55]  Oh, dude, I mean, in that Coleman Hughes debate, they made it out.
[00:10:59]  Like it was this big debate, it was a swan song.
[00:11:02]  And then I'm just saying, he got cooked.
[00:11:04]  No, sir.
[00:11:05]  You got fucking cooked.
[00:11:07]  I am sorry.
[00:11:08]  There is no, and I mean this, there's no honest person in the world who does not objectively go.
[00:11:15]  Objectively.
[00:11:17]  Even if you only take the people who think Coleman won that debate, only take the people Coleman think Coleman won that debate.
[00:11:25]  Exclude all the people who think I won it.
[00:11:27]  And just take the people who think Coleman won it.
[00:11:30]  It's an objective fact.
[00:11:31]  Every one of them being honest knows that Adam lost by.
[00:11:35]  100,000 times more than I lost.
[00:11:37]  Like, even if you consider that a loss, I did not humiliate myself.
[00:11:41]  There was not a need for an intervention on my next show because all of the comments will not let it go that I humiliated myself so badly.
[00:11:50]  Okay.
[00:11:51]  Here's the other reason why I had to bring this to the show.
[00:11:54]  So, Vinny on their episode at the end, no, first Adam says, he says, next time he debates me, he'll really show what's up.
[00:12:03]  Like, he immediately in the thing started.
[00:12:05]  He started going, Well, if I was to debate Dave ideologically, maybe I'd debate him like this.
[00:12:11]  And Pat's like, Dude, dude, dude, it's not about Dave.
[00:12:13]  Like, we're not giving you another chance to debate Dave.
[00:12:16]  We're saying, What can you learn from this about what you just did, sir?
[00:12:19]  It's so embarrassing.
[00:12:21]  Oh, my God.
[00:12:22]  Just like talking to a child.
[00:12:25]  And, okay, so Adam goes, throws out some, I don't know, some ridiculous thing about what he would say next time.
[00:12:34]  Dave's like an ostrich who doesn't want to engage anyone.
[00:12:37]  Yeah, dude, you should have brought that.
[00:12:38]  That would have really worked well for you if you had brought that to the debate.
[00:12:41]  But so he says, then Vinny goes, Hey, dude, it's like when you're a kid and you lose a fight.
[00:12:48]  You got to get back out there and fight that guy again.
[00:12:51]  You got to debate Dave Smith again.
[00:12:53]  Then Piers Morgan, uncensored account on Twitter, goes, We're happy to host this again.
[00:12:59]  Then they reached out to my people and they want to book it for Tuesday.
[00:13:04]  So this is the situation we're in now.
[00:13:07]  They want to book this rematch.
[00:13:10]  For me to debate Adam again.
[00:13:11]  And now I'm in this position, and this just makes me furious because this is like, well, first of all, this is so ridiculous.
[00:13:20]  It's basically insulting to me.
[00:13:22]  Like the idea that that legendary curb stomping, legendary self emulation warrants a rematch is fucking insane.
[00:13:36]  And the fact that somehow in this moment where Adam lost so bad that there has to be An intervention on the PBD podcast.
[00:13:44]  Something, by the way, I would not wish to have, I don't want that to be what they have to do on their show.
[00:13:49]  But again, I didn't choose this.
[00:13:51]  I didn't, Adam, when we did the debate, the first Adam threw one insult at me, kind of like a joke.
[00:13:55]  He goes, Hey, Dave, thanks for dressing up.
[00:13:57]  I chuckled.
[00:13:58]  I was like, Hey, let's get into it.
[00:13:59]  The first time I spoke, I'm just giving my opinions on the war.
[00:14:02]  I'm here to debate the ideas, as I always am.
[00:14:05]  I'm here to debate the issues first.
[00:14:07]  If you want to make it about me, I will respond in kind.
[00:14:10]  Then Adam goes again, and he called me a child, said, You look like you're 17.
[00:14:15]  So it was like, okay, it's on.

=== Why We Need a Rematch (15:29) ===

[00:14:16]  And then I lit him up.
[00:14:20]  I'll say this.
[00:14:22]  The fact that he humiliated himself so bad that they need to have an intervention on their show, and this still ends with a challenge to me, as if if I don't accept this debate, somehow I haven't stepped up to the plate.
[00:14:35]  Like he's going to come back and get me in the rematch, dude.
[00:14:38]  Nothing about this warrants a rematch.
[00:14:40]  That debate warrants you never debating again, let alone coming at me, someone who's kind of good at it.
[00:14:46]  Like I just, this to me is crazy.
[00:14:49]  And I resent being even put in this situation.
[00:14:54]  You know, I'll say this.
[00:14:56]  Okay.
[00:14:57]  Let me just, I'll put it like this because I'm not going to be the one who like says no to this shit.
[00:15:02]  So you guys can say something like, oh, he wanted the rematch and Dave wouldn't give it to him or something like this.
[00:15:07]  Okay.
[00:15:08]  I accept the debate for Tuesday.
[00:15:11]  Pat, Vinny, if you care about your boy at all, do not let him accept this because I'm telling you right now, it's going to be more vicious than the first one.
[00:15:22]  That is the standard.
[00:15:23]  I'm loving you.
[00:15:24]  I'm not interested in having a good faith conversation about the ideas anymore.
[00:15:28]  Like, I'm going in there to eviscerate Adam this time, which I was not going in there to do the first time.
[00:15:33]  The fucking Vinny, I understand you got to stick up for your brother, dude.
[00:15:37]  But if you love your brother at all, do not let him come back in here.
[00:15:41]  You are sorely mistaken if you think he has an arsenal that he didn't use.
[00:15:45]  This is the thing he said on the show.
[00:15:46]  Dave's like the dating coach who tells guys not to talk to women.
[00:15:50]  Yeah, dude.
[00:15:51]  That'll get me.
[00:15:52]  That's wow, man.
[00:15:54]  Like, I don't know what to say here, dude.
[00:15:56]  Adam had every opportunity in the world.
[00:15:58]  Pat bent over backward to set him up the right way to go, I'm not throwing you under the bus.
[00:16:05]  I'm not saying what we're all thinking, which is that you embarrassed the fucking shit out of me personally and my brand.
[00:16:11]  You humiliated yourself publicly.
[00:16:13]  What can you learn from this?
[00:16:15]  But he was trying to set him up.
[00:16:16]  All Adam had to do was go, Yeah, well, that didn't work out as well as I thought.
[00:16:21]  You know, I'll try to learn from it and get better in the future, blah, blah, blah.
[00:16:24]  Not say a word about me, but he's going to use that opportunity.
[00:16:27]  To try to discredit me more and be like, Dave hates America.
[00:16:33]  I just love America.
[00:16:34]  Dave hates our truth.
[00:16:35]  He said, nobody supports this guy.
[00:16:38]  Nobody supports me, Adam.
[00:16:43]  How about you?
[00:16:45]  How many people are supporting you here?
[00:16:47]  How about you compare to me?
[00:16:49]  Who's getting more support in this?
[00:16:51]  Anyway, again, I hate to make it personal, but it's like, it's annoying to me because it's something when someone's like, oh, they're talking all this shit.
[00:17:02]  Then it's like, okay, come say it to my face.
[00:17:04]  Then they get fucking destroyed.
[00:17:06]  And then they're right back to talking shit behind your back.
[00:17:08]  I think there's just something very dishonorable about that.
[00:17:14]  I think Adam's like a shitty guy and really not nearly intelligent enough to be doing what he's doing.
[00:17:23]  I don't say that about too many people, but you want to come do this again, man?
[00:17:27]  Okay.
[00:17:28]  I accept.
[00:17:30]  I would advise you guys not to.
[00:17:33]  So, balls in your court.
[00:17:35]  I've been asked to do it next Tuesday.
[00:17:36]  I'll make time for it on Tuesday.
[00:17:38]  But I'm telling you, it's going to be worse than that one.
[00:17:44]  And not this time because.
[00:17:45]  Not this time because you just humiliated yourself.
[00:17:47]  Like, I'm going to do it to you this time.
[00:17:50]  So, up to you.
[00:17:51]  I'd suggest we don't because fuck this.
[00:17:53]  It's so unreasonable to expect me to do this one again.
[00:17:56]  I don't like doing these things.
[00:17:58]  I'm not trying to just waste time.
[00:18:00]  There's a fucking war on right now.
[00:18:02]  This is important.
[00:18:03]  I want to talk about these things.
[00:18:05]  Let me debate someone who's read one book on the topic.
[00:18:08]  Is that too much to ask?
[00:18:10]  Like, I'm sorry.
[00:18:11]  Like, there's just no way.
[00:18:13]  Like, if this was boxing weight.
[00:18:16]  Classes.
[00:18:16]  You're just like, you're asking me to fight a child.
[00:18:19]  And then I'm in the position where I have to be the one who turns it down if it doesn't happen.
[00:18:24]  You know what I mean?
[00:18:25]  So fuck you.
[00:18:26]  I accept you turn it down now.
[00:18:29]  And or fucking or call my bluff on this and accept.
[00:18:33]  We'll see.
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[00:19:47]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:19:49]  There's my rant about that.
[00:19:51]  Any comments you want to make, Rob, go ahead and then I promise you we'll do things with them.
[00:19:54]  What a shocking turn there.
[00:19:56]  I thought you would just say, I'm not doing it.
[00:19:58]  This is a waste of my time.
[00:19:59]  It sounds boring to show up again.
[00:20:01]  Why would I do it again?
[00:20:02]  But you're like, all right, if you want to take the beat down again.
[00:20:06]  Rob, I swear, I swear on everything.
[00:20:09]  And you know me well enough to know this is true.
[00:20:12]  I planned on coming in and saying that.
[00:20:14]  That was the plan for the podcast today I was just going to go, no, this is ridiculous.
[00:20:18]  I can't.
[00:20:19]  But I just care.
[00:20:20]  Fine.
[00:20:20]  Okay.
[00:20:20]  Fine.
[00:20:21]  Fine.
[00:20:22]  I'll spend 45 minutes on doing that to you once again.
[00:20:25]  But it's going to be this time.
[00:20:28]  And listen, anyone can say what they want to, but I'm not wrong to do this.
[00:20:31]  That's a, it is crazy for him to use this moment to just try to smear me more.
[00:20:37]  Like, that is, I'm sorry, that is really wild, dude.
[00:20:41]  Do it live and bring the body bags.
[00:20:43]  Like the WWF, where you got buried alive type thing.
[00:20:47]  I don't know.
[00:20:48]  Someone's got to be carried out with the body bag.
[00:20:50]  They got the studio.
[00:20:51]  Let's at least make some money on it.
[00:20:53]  Make an event, making it a public evisceration.
[00:20:56]  Why are we just going to run it back on Piers Morgan for the internet?
[00:20:59]  Let's, uh, Let's go big with this.
[00:21:02]  Yeah.
[00:21:02]  Well, it's a.
[00:21:04]  You're sitting there like, now I got to get on a flight for this debate.
[00:21:07]  What are you doing, Rob?
[00:21:08]  Yeah, no, just getting too ridiculous.
[00:21:10]  Okay.
[00:21:10]  I'm not doing all that.
[00:21:12]  But it's also just like, I mean, what are we talking about here, dude?
[00:21:15]  Like, you're so bad at this.
[00:21:19]  You're so bad at this.
[00:21:22]  Like, you thought that writing memo on a piece of computer paper and holding that up would add something.
[00:21:32]  Like, that would be like, oh, boom, this is a moment.
[00:21:34]  He even says on the thing, he goes, Look, I was trying to create a moment where that would get people talking.
[00:21:39]  Like, you did.
[00:21:40]  You did that.
[00:21:41]  I got to say, if Adam doesn't quite process why this is a mistake, you're kind of willing to go, Hey, let's have a conversation on the ideas.
[00:21:50]  And you're willing to counter punch if people are being critical of your ideas.
[00:21:53]  You're not showing up to a debate trying to get someone to clarify where they're coming from, what they've read, why they have any standing.
[00:22:00]  Well, also, what their pointer for you is.
[00:22:03]  Like, you're very rarely critically on the offensive.
[00:22:06]  And I think that's probably just going to be.
[00:22:09]  A cringy yelling match, if I had to guess, as he just tries to not let you talk.
[00:22:13]  Yeah, I'll just, it'll just like, listen, it's gonna be, I'm gonna be particularly.
[00:22:17]  It'll be Alex Barron's in 2.0.
[00:22:18]  Yeah, yeah, something like that.
[00:22:21]  But like, it's like, if you wanna do that, like, I'm generally trying to stay away from those things.
[00:22:26]  I would just tell, look, I heard, I really empathized with Pat, and I felt bad for the situation that Pat was put in.
[00:22:34]  Not that I'm not feeling bad for Pat David.
[00:22:36]  He's not exactly a victim in this world.
[00:22:38]  He's like an unbelievable, unbelievably successful guy.
[00:22:42]  Who's just crushing life and winning.
[00:22:44]  But I just mean, like, in that moment, I just felt bad that he was in this situation.
[00:22:50]  Again, I'm not the one who put him there.
[00:22:51]  So I don't feel guilty about it, but I felt bad.
[00:22:54]  And because he's got to go, he's even saying, he's like, dude, I don't like you, you're representing my brand, and I don't conduct myself that way.
[00:23:01]  I'm a professional.
[00:23:02]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:23:03]  Like, I don't like, I don't know his thing where he, like, fucking, there's one of his that he threw a tampon, I think, at Anna Kasparian at one point.
[00:23:10]  This is like his idea of what he thinks looks cool and like creates a cool moment.
[00:23:15]  And you're just like, first off, dude, That's not how men act.
[00:23:19]  Like, men don't throw a tampon at a woman.
[00:23:21]  And, like, my God, dude.
[00:23:23]  I mean, if you fucking threw a tampon at my chick, I would beat the fucking shit out of you.
[00:23:27]  Like, that is, I mean, I don't know, dude.
[00:23:29]  What?
[00:23:30]  Anyway, okay.
[00:23:32]  That's it.
[00:23:32]  Balls in their court.
[00:23:34]  I accepted, but you know what the terms are.
[00:23:36]  Vinny and Pat, I would highly suggest you do not allow him to fucking do this.
[00:23:40]  Uncomfortable.
[00:23:41]  This guy's going to end up out of a job.
[00:23:42]  Just like, go keep your job, buddy.
[00:23:46]  Last thing I ever want is anyone to fucking end up out of a job.
[00:23:49]  I will say this Adam needs that.
[00:23:51]  Goddamn job pretty badly if he wants to be in this world at all.
[00:23:54]  Because that is the reason why he's a thing, is because he's on that show.
[00:23:57]  And if he wasn't, he would, nobody is listening to his shit.
[00:24:01]  All right, let's, let's move on because this was a big deal, obviously, last night.
[00:24:05]  I apologize for spending so much of the show's time on this nonsense.
[00:24:08]  But again, I hope you can understand the situation.
[00:24:11]  You kind of can't not address these things in this world.
[00:24:14]  Um, Well, unfortunately, we were right.
[00:24:21]  I did think, and maybe I'm still making too much of that, but I did just think the announcement wasn't coming that this thing was over because why do it at the end of the day after markets are closed?
[00:24:30]  Donald Trump gave, I don't know, a ridiculous speech last night ridiculous, evil, incoherent.
[00:24:41]  He came out so bizarre.
[00:24:45]  I mean, look, I guess this time he was in a jacket and tie.
[00:24:49]  He wasn't like wearing a baseball cap with no tie on, like when he announced the thing.
[00:24:56]  But he comes out, it's just this like blase kind of casual attitude, like said something about war, starts talking about the economy, starts talking about how terrible Joe Biden was and how great our administration was.
[00:25:08]  You're literally sitting there, everyone.
[00:25:11]  There's like 10, 15 minutes or whatever of the speech where everyone's sitting there going, Dude, you haven't said anything yet.
[00:25:18]  Like, are we leaving or escalating?
[00:25:20]  What's going on?
[00:25:22]  It was just.
[00:25:23]  Anyway, it's to comment on that, I was legitimately mad while listening to it because he said, Hey, I'm giving you the address.
[00:25:33]  I'm going to tell you what's up.
[00:25:35]  And I actually did not want to listen to it because for the first 15 minutes of it, where he didn't really say anything, I actually felt like someone was trying to hypnotize me.
[00:25:44]  I felt like he was like, Hey, if I repeat all these talking points that I've been saying over the last couple of days, but I say it directly to the American people, I do it from the podium, I do it as a war address, I'm going to be able to fool them.
[00:25:55]  And he had the slow draw.
[00:25:58]  He was less energetic than usual, but I legitimately felt like I was watching a hypnotist try and hypnotize me.
[00:26:03]  Where he wasn't, not only was he not saying anything new, he's like going bigger on some of the lies that Iran was going to get a nuclear bomb, they were going to be a nuclear threat to us.
[00:26:11]  He did actually admit to the fact that we did this on behalf of Middle East partners.
[00:26:15]  I thought that was interesting.
[00:26:16]  And then, you know, I can save my thoughts for what he said at the end.
[00:26:20]  Yeah, I was legitimately mad for the first 10 minutes where I was like, why do I have to do the homework of watching things that are not offering any clarification whatsoever?
[00:26:30]  Not giving me a pitch.
[00:26:31]  You're not, you know what I mean?
[00:26:32]  You're just kind of like, it really just felt like someone was like waving the watch in front of my face and trying to repeat this stuff enough times that I would believe it.
[00:26:40]  Yes.
[00:26:41]  Yeah, like 100%.
[00:26:43]  I know exactly what you mean.
[00:26:44]  Well, here, let's go to the first clip that we have here, which was at the end of the speech, but was the most important thing that was said.
[00:26:52]  So we'll kind of do the ending first because he waited the whole time to get to that.
[00:26:58]  Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
[00:26:59]  The one that we wanted to go to was, I think, the second one that I, I'm sorry.
[00:27:04]  No, Yes.
[00:27:06]  The first one that I sent, which is from Disclosed TV now Trump on Iran.
[00:27:17]  The progress we've made, I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly.
[00:27:25]  We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks.
[00:27:29]  We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong.
[00:27:34]  In the meantime, discussions are ongoing.
[00:27:36]  Regime change was not our goal.
[00:27:38]  We never said regime change, but regime change has occurred because of all of their original leaders' deaths.
[00:27:47]  They're all dead.
[00:27:48]  The new group is less radical and much more reasonable.
[00:27:52]  Yet, if during this period of time no deal is made, we have our eyes on key targets.
[00:27:57]  If there is no deal, we are going to hit each and every one of their electric generating plants very hard and probably simultaneously.
[00:28:05]  We have not hit their oil, even though that's the easiest target of all, because it would not give them even a small chance of survival or rebuilding.
[00:28:15]  But we could hit it and it would be gone, and there's not a thing they could do about it.
[00:28:22]  All right.
[00:28:22]  I mean, look, I guess there's a lot to break down there, obviously.
[00:28:27]  But I guess the first thing is, in some way, I guess I'm kind of glad he said that.
[00:28:36]  Obviously, I'm not glad he's saying this and doing this, and I'd rather he be saying it's over and doing that.
[00:28:42]  But if he's going to do this, it's almost at least you're like, hey, man, to all the fucking like expat Iranians in exile or whatever.
[00:28:54]  Who have been advocating for this war for all of the people, all of the people who have been talking about liberating the Iranian people for so many years?
[00:29:03]  I mean, for 25 years, I've been hearing this, these drums beat that.
[00:29:06]  Oh my God, it's such a brutal theocracy.
[00:29:08]  The people are so oppressed.
[00:29:10]  This is why we need a regime change there because we have to liberate all these people.
[00:29:14]  Fucking goddamn, is this a moment for you to admit what a fucking retard you were?
[00:29:21]  Like how goddamn stupid you were to wish.
[00:29:25]  The fucking worst fate on any people in this goddamn face of God's green earth that the US fucking empire liberate them.
[00:29:34]  Like, you didn't fucking, you didn't have the wherewithal to look at the last fucking 35 goddamn people we've liberated.
[00:29:44]  Here he is.
[00:29:44]  That's what he means liberating.

=== War Against Oppressed People (08:39) ===

[00:29:46]  Bring you to the Stone Age.
[00:29:48]  Hey, Rob, I don't know.
[00:29:49]  I'm not an expert in the Stone Age, but the Stone Age, did women have full equal rights in the Stone Age?
[00:29:58]  Do you can somebody check that?
[00:29:59]  Right.
[00:29:59]  If you don't know, can somebody check up on that?
[00:30:01]  Was feminism thriving in the Stone Age where women were stripping out of their burqas into bikinis and coffee shops were opening up and the people were thriving and enjoying religious liberty?
[00:30:14]  Is that what the Stone Age was characterized by?
[00:30:18]  I mean, he's here threatening total annihilation of the civilian population.
[00:30:24]  That is Donald's threat.
[00:30:26]  He says over the next two weeks, we're going to send them back to the Stone Age.
[00:30:29]  And if that doesn't make them want to do a deal, Then we're going to start hitting key energy infrastructure.
[00:30:38]  I mean, Rob, listen, man, we're watching this escalation trap play out in real time that we've been warning about.
[00:30:49]  This is not, if you actually wanted to make a deal and wrap this thing up in the next two weeks, the worst thing in the world you could do is announce publicly, hey, Iranian regime, you're a bunch of, I'm going to beat the shit out of you.
[00:31:05]  You better have it signed a deal in the next two weeks while we destroy your entire nation.
[00:31:12]  Now they kind of can't possibly take a deal.
[00:31:17]  Now they can't even like sign any type of agreement.
[00:31:19]  So he has set the stage now for the expectation to be total destruction of the country.
[00:31:27]  Jesus Christ.
[00:31:29]  What do you think, Rob?
[00:31:30]  I got a lot of thoughts on this, but speaking to your first point of the people who thought that we were liberating Iran, for all of you who pretended that this was going to be a humanitarian cause because we can't allow a regime to be killing 30,000 of their own people.
[00:31:44]  Well, I guess this isn't much of a humanitarian effort if we're now threatening war crimes to wrap up the war.
[00:31:51]  That if they don't sign on the dotted line, we're blowing up all of their oil reserves and we're going to be blowing up their power plants and leaving them as I don't even know.
[00:32:00]  It's still living under the regime, but with even less economic resources to get by on.
[00:32:07]  But hey, humanitarian effort.
[00:32:09]  So for all the people that I was hearing, and I was just saying, even if it's 30,000, I don't care.
[00:32:13]  That's not a good reason for us to be going to war.
[00:32:15]  And we don't apply this standard across the world, that's going to have us in wars all the time, and it's not going to help the people that live there.
[00:32:22]  This is all stupid.
[00:32:23]  But for all the people that were playing the card of we can't just stand idly by while 30,000 people are being killed by the regime, so this is the cure right now.
[00:32:32]  This is the way to do it.
[00:32:33]  And then on these other points, firstly, on the regime change point, I've criticized Donald Trump about this a lot that he's a three year old and he likes to pull, oh, I promised you a million doll hairs.
[00:32:42]  I didn't say dollars.
[00:32:44]  And he pulls this trick.
[00:32:45]  He literally pulls this trick all the time.
[00:32:48]  He literally pulls this trick all the time.
[00:32:49]  So now it's like, Oh, we weren't trying to get regime change, but we do have regime change.
[00:32:53]  And he's lying when he says it's a softer, younger regime now.
[00:32:58]  That's not what anybody's saying.
[00:32:59]  You don't have a new regime.
[00:33:00]  You did not accomplish that goal.
[00:33:02]  But hey, it wasn't even a goal of ours, anyways.
[00:33:05]  And now as to whether or not this will even work.
[00:33:07]  So I guess it's a threat of war crimes that we're going to be blowing up your whole country and just leaving.
[00:33:12]  We don't care about their Hamir straight.
[00:33:14]  Other people can worry about that.
[00:33:15]  This might even just be a decout to actually do a ground war and that he wants to stick around longer.
[00:33:20]  Let's just assume he's saying, I'm just going to blow everything up and walk away and say I declared victory.
[00:33:25]  Well, if you haven't actually taken out all of Iran's stockpiles of bombs, what happens when Iran blows the shit out of oil infrastructure and salination plants in other areas?
[00:33:36]  So are we just like going to blow up the entire Middle East and walk away?
[00:33:40]  We're going to watch oil prices go up to $200 a barrel and just be like, hey, what are you going to start doing?
[00:33:45]  Export controls on our oil, be a fully socialized economy and go, we never needed the rest of the world.
[00:33:50]  Yeah, maybe 10 years from now, you actually get your factory back when we trade with nobody.
[00:33:55]  Yeah.
[00:33:56]  Yeah.
[00:33:57]  It's, uh, I don't know, man.
[00:33:59]  This is really dark.
[00:34:01]  Um, and, uh, you know, I mean, I guess there's, there maybe are a couple of silver linings to take away from this, uh, which is that he is setting himself up to meet none of his objectives and then walk away from it.
[00:34:18]  Um, he is, you know, the, I guess you could hope that what this is is setting up like, We're going to drop a lot of bombs, we're going to blow a lot of shit up, and then we're going to leave and claim victory.
[00:34:30]  I mean, dude, your doll hairs come.
[00:34:32]  That's just so perfect.
[00:34:33]  It's like literally like, it's just like the most disingenuous fucking arguments.
[00:34:37]  Like, we did achieve regime change.
[00:34:40]  Like, dude, that's not what regime change means.
[00:34:43]  That's not what regime means.
[00:34:45]  If you kill the leader and then the IRGC picks a new leader or the mullahs pick a new leader, that is not overthrowing the regime.
[00:34:53]  This is the same regime, it's not the same leader.
[00:34:57]  Like, anyway, it's like, nope.
[00:34:59]  I don't know.
[00:35:00]  This is too ridiculous.
[00:35:01]  Venezuela, look, look, looky, looky.
[00:35:03]  I put boots on the ground.
[00:35:04]  You guys are always afraid of boots on the ground.
[00:35:06]  Yeah, that's not what we mean.
[00:35:07]  We mean a military invasion.
[00:35:09]  Dropping four soldiers in for a surgical strike.
[00:35:12]  We don't prefer it.
[00:35:12]  And it didn't accomplish anything.
[00:35:14]  But yeah, that's not what we mean by boots on the ground.
[00:35:16]  It's the same as this four year old talk.
[00:35:19]  Can I say, it did accomplish something.
[00:35:21]  And I'll be honest, we probably have not spent enough time talking about this on the show.
[00:35:28]  But The fucking, with I guess the approval of the new government there in Venezuela, we have been blockading all energy from going into Cuba, which I guess is really what.
[00:35:39]  I mean, look, the National Security Advisorslash Secretary of State has been claiming all along that this was a bank shot to Cuba and that that's what this was about.
[00:35:47]  And so I guess maybe we should take him at his word there.
[00:35:50]  And they did let that Russian oil ship in.
[00:35:55]  So at least there's that.
[00:35:57]  But, dude, like, What we've been doing to the civilian population of Cuba.
[00:36:02]  You know, Ryan Grimm from Dropsite, the really just excellent reporter, he went down to Cuba and stayed down there.
[00:36:11]  And his reporting, dude, I mean, you want to read something that'll just get you furious, dude.
[00:36:15]  He's talking about like what we are doing to these people.
[00:36:18]  And there have been these huge blackouts going on for weeks at a time.
[00:36:23]  And because we have an embargo against Cuba, and Donald Trump really ramped that up after Obama tried to normalize relations a little bit.
[00:36:31]  So the.
[00:36:33]  The rule is, right, that we deny any energy going to the government, but private businesses can still purchase oil.
[00:36:45]  But then, Rob, of course, we're talking about Cuba here, dude, which is a socialist country.
[00:36:50]  And so every hospital is run by the government.
[00:36:54]  So you're literally denying electricity to every hospital in Cuba.
[00:37:01]  And Ryan Grimm is detailing how, like, when the power goes out, They have to rush to the NICU because they got all these babies on ventilators.
[00:37:10]  And so they got to rush in there and start like hand pumping ventilators.
[00:37:13]  Like we're killing babies in Cuba right now.
[00:37:17]  As somebody who had a baby on a ventilator once, it's just like it.
[00:37:22]  Like, yo, this is the type of shit people deserve to be murdered over.
[00:37:25]  I mean, it's like the most evil thing you can do.
[00:37:29]  And that's just like not even news in America.
[00:37:32]  If it wasn't for heroes like Ryan Grimm and Jeremy Scahale and the guys at Dropsite there, and like, so it's like, it's not even a thing.
[00:37:39]  And then, you know, it's like, by the way, this big thing of mine, which is what sparked the Adam debate or whatever his go to in the debate was or what sparked Ben Shapiro and all them flipping out on me, was that I referred to the US as a terrorist organization.
[00:37:54]  And Adam's going to say, Oh, I'm an ostrich.
[00:37:56]  I have my head in the sand.
[00:37:57]  No, motherfucker, you have your head in the sand.
[00:38:00]  Look at what do you call that?
[00:38:02]  The country didn't attack us.
[00:38:03]  They pose absolutely no threat to us.
[00:38:06]  Cuba, a little tiny, poor island with no military to speak of, they pose no threats, just like we wanted.
[00:38:14]  I don't know.
[00:38:15]  We think it's like in our geopolitical strategy to fucking starve the civilian population of energy.
[00:38:23]  How goddamn disgusting it is, man.

=== Starving Civilians of Energy (10:25) ===

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[00:39:47]  Anyway, here, let's play this other clip from Donald Trump's speech last night.
[00:39:54]  This was Trump's suggestion that other countries really need that straight.
[00:39:59]  So let's play this one.
[00:40:03]  Of the world that do receive oil through the hormone straight must take care of that passage.
[00:40:09]  They must cherish it.
[00:40:10]  They must grab it and cherish it.
[00:40:13]  They can do it easily.
[00:40:14]  We will be helpful, but they should take the lead in protecting the oil that they so desperately depend on.
[00:40:21]  So, to those countries that can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, we had to do it ourselves.
[00:40:31]  I have a suggestion.
[00:40:32]  Number one, buy oil from the United States of America.
[00:40:35]  We have plenty.
[00:40:36]  We have so much.
[00:40:37]  And number two, build up some delayed courage.
[00:40:40]  Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we ask.
[00:40:44]  Go to the strait and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves.
[00:40:49]  Iran has been essentially decimated.
[00:40:53]  The hard part is done.
[00:40:54]  It should be easy.
[00:40:56]  And in any event, when this conflict is over, the strait will open up naturally.
[00:41:01]  It'll just open up naturally.
[00:41:03]  They're going to want to be able to sell oil because that's all they have to try and rebuild.
[00:41:10]  Resume the flowing and the gas prices will rapidly come back down.
[00:41:14]  Stock prices will rapidly go back up.
[00:41:16]  They haven't come down very much, frankly.
[00:41:18]  They came down a little bit, but they've had some very good days over the last couple of days.
[00:41:27]  I mean, what can you say here?
[00:41:33]  Donald Trump, the hard part's been done.
[00:41:36]  We just need you to go do the easy part.
[00:41:39]  Now, why are we not doing the easy part?
[00:41:42]  You might ask.
[00:41:44]  There's really no way to do it.
[00:41:46]  There's really no way we can do it.
[00:41:48]  So, like, we can't do it, but you go do it.
[00:41:50]  It'll be totally easy.
[00:41:52]  And here's the funny thing I mean, does he, does Donald Trump really understand it this little?
[00:41:57]  Or like, it's genuinely, there's a real question that none of us know for sure over whether like Donald Trump is actually this stupid or he just thinks you're this stupid.
[00:42:08]  And I do not know which one it is.
[00:42:11]  But when Donald Trump goes, it'll just naturally open up.
[00:42:14]  It'll naturally open up because they've got to sell their oil.
[00:42:17]  That's really their entire economy.
[00:42:18]  They've got to sell oil.
[00:42:20]  Does he not realize that it's not closed for them?
[00:42:26]  Does he not realize that the Strait of Hormuz is not closed for the Iranians?
[00:42:33]  Maybe not.
[00:42:34]  Maybe he genuinely doesn't realize that.
[00:42:36]  I don't know.
[00:42:36]  What do you think here, Rob?
[00:42:38]  Every part of this is so nonsensical, starting with the, hey, we made a mess.
[00:42:43]  You guys can go clean it up.
[00:42:44]  It'll be easy.
[00:42:45]  Bullshit.
[00:42:46]  Then, well, Iran needs to sell its oil, so it's going to open up.
[00:42:50]  So now the U.S. is letting Iran just sell oil directly on world markets, and that's going to be bad for Iran in the future.
[00:42:56]  Iran's the mortal enemy, but hey, guys, we won this war, and now Iran's got a new regime that they're able to sell oil directly.
[00:43:03]  Next is we don't need the oil.
[00:43:05]  And I encourage everyone to buy oil from the US.
[00:43:08]  What's that going to do to the prices of oil in the US if now everyone can't get oil from the Middle East?
[00:43:13]  They're buying it from the United States.
[00:43:15]  I guess that's nice for our oil producers, but I don't think that brings the cost downs for Americans.
[00:43:21]  And that's what I listen, I got to dig a little bit more into the oil markets because they say basically it's a world economy.
[00:43:27]  And I don't understand why we drill oil over here to sell it over there and then buy it over there and bring it in.
[00:43:32]  I don't understand the dynamics on that.
[00:43:34]  But basically, if oil prices are going up globally, And it's cheaper.
[00:43:38]  I mean, there's more money in shipping it out and selling it to them.
[00:43:42]  That's what our producers are doing.
[00:43:43]  Yeah.
[00:43:44]  So, listen, there's, it's, it's, I don't exactly understand it either, but I've, I've read a bit about it.
[00:43:49]  And it's like, it's more because there, there is like more details and complicating factors in it.
[00:43:54]  So, like, there's certain types of oil that's refined in a certain type of way and other types of oils that require different types of refining.
[00:44:01]  And so, it actually, in some cases, does make sense for us to like send our oil to be refined here to then be sold here on this market and then them to send their oil to be refined there to be sold on that.
[00:44:11]  So, like, Essentially, like, it is true that we produce more oil than we need.
[00:44:19]  It's also true that if you just all of a sudden made it so that there's no more world market and it's all done domestically, it would require all types of new infrastructure and new refining schemes.
[00:44:29]  And, like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:44:30]  Like, if you were going to do something like that, it'd be much better off to be like, in 10 years, this will be the rule and give it some time to us to transition.
[00:44:38]  And that, I listen, I don't know this.
[00:44:41]  This is above my pay grade, but I have heard experts argue that, like, This would, even though we do produce enough oil for our own energy needs, that it would be an absolute shock to the system and totally destructive if just all of the sudden we had to totally self rely on this stuff.
[00:44:58]  So there's people who know more about this who could give you a better explanation than that, but it is more complicated than just being like, whoever produces oil has that energy now.
[00:45:07]  Or to put it simply, we're not insulated from global oil prices going up.
[00:45:13]  And so the idea of, hey, that's just a you problem and not an us problem.
[00:45:16]  If you care about what Americans are paying at the pump or paying on their energy bill, it is an US problem.
[00:45:21]  Dude, there's no question.
[00:45:23]  Listen, well, look, I mean, just to drive that point home a little bit.
[00:45:27]  Like, if you look around your house, dude, and see how many things are made in China right now, if you were to look through your 401k or if you have any type of investment account and look at how many of the businesses that you're invested in also do business in Europe and Asia and this,
[00:45:45]  if you even just think about where you have your money, How many of the financial institutions, also like even if you're just in a checking account or something like that or whatever, how many, how much business that institution does with the entire global economy?
[00:45:58]  Once you have such an integrated, Integrated global complex economy.
[00:46:05]  It's not as simple as just going like, hey, yeah, if there's huge inflation in prices in South Korea and that destroys their economy, whatever, we're all the way over here.
[00:46:16]  Like on so many different levels, that might affect companies that are even just doing business in that country who you might be invested in here or your financial institution might be invested in.
[00:46:26]  There's just, it's a very complex thing.
[00:46:28]  And the idea that the world economy crashing isn't our concern because we're over here.
[00:46:34]  That might be a nice idea, but it is not reality.
[00:46:37]  And then also doesn't speak to the problem of fertilizer and helium prices going up, which apparently a lot of it's coming from those areas as well.
[00:46:47]  So, I mean, it's just nonsensical on every level.
[00:46:50]  It's nonsensical on the hey, this is easy.
[00:46:53]  We made the mess, but we're leaving you guys the easy part so you can feel like you got a taste of the victory.
[00:46:58]  We're insulated from oil prices going up.
[00:47:00]  And so, this isn't our problem.
[00:47:01]  So, you guys can go figure it out.
[00:47:03]  And then also, Iran's going to want to.
[00:47:06]  Open up the straits and sell more oil.
[00:47:08]  Well, that's them selling oil that still would limit access of all the other countries that use the straits.
[00:47:14]  And then also, you're now allowing Iran to be a global oil power.
[00:47:19]  So they're going to be the only ones who can sell oil from the region.
[00:47:22]  And that's going to make them less of an enemy in the future.
[00:47:25]  Yeah, it's, I mean, the whole thing here, dude.
[00:47:29]  I mean, this plan is just, it's so absurd.
[00:47:32]  It's so ridiculous.
[00:47:34]  And there really is something, I guess, in a way, I mean, for very different reasons, right?
[00:47:40]  But do you remember, Rob, back?
[00:47:42]  I'm kind of blanking on some of these details, but do you remember like when it came out that when Joe Biden was running for election, like toward the end before he had to drop out?
[00:47:52]  Do you remember there was a bunch of reporting about how it came out that their internal polls had Donald Trump winning like some ridiculous amount of like they, their internal polls had it being like a way bigger blowout than it was against Kamala Harris and that that was a part of why they dropped out?
[00:48:08]  And, you know, anyway, there was, Whether those polls were correct or the polls that we were seeing were correct, where Trump was winning by a few points.
[00:48:19]  There was something amazing in that moment.
[00:48:22]  In fact, I remember us talking about this quite a bit, like in the second half of 2024, where you'd be like, yo, who are the people who can still just support Joe Biden?
[00:48:33]  You know, like, however you feel about politics, you're like, we are pushing to such a level that you're like, the guy is clearly, I mean, just try to picture in your mind's eye, just stiff Joe Biden at his most senile at that debate, at that debate going, and like at the end of that debate, right?

=== The Cost of Integrity (05:21) ===

[00:48:52]  He had everyone was calling for him to drop out.
[00:48:54]  It was clear that he wasn't going to be in there anymore.
[00:48:56]  But like, there was still some percentage of the country, maybe 35% or something, that was like still going to vote for him, even after that.
[00:49:05]  And that's almost in this weird way, it's like baked into the political cake of US politics is that there are these fairly sizable chunks that represent like tens of millions of Americans who are just like, no matter what, no matter what, you know, the old Donald Trump, I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and my supporters would still support me.
[00:49:25]  Well, We're slowly figuring out exactly what that percentage is.
[00:49:31]  It's not enough to win.
[00:49:32]  It's not a winning coalition, but it is a shockingly, but almost my point is just at this point, you're basically, you're that guy.
[00:49:40]  If you're defending Donald Trump through this, if you're still, not even just like, if you haven't broken ranks with this, you're just, you're helpless.
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[00:51:08]  Oh, is that right?
[00:51:09]  So, Natalie tells me that Pam Bondi was fired.
[00:51:12]  I saw rumors about that.
[00:51:13]  Oh, I'd seen articles this morning that they were considering canning her, but I guess they actually did that.
[00:51:20]  I guess so.
[00:51:20]  I guess Trump's got the cover of the Iran war going on that he can now deal with some of the other turmoil in his administration and people won't be as locked into it.
[00:51:33]  Well, that's right, or at least so it would seem.
[00:51:36]  I mean, she's a total clown and she was never qualified for the job.
[00:51:41]  And she really greatly damaged the Trump administration in her particular handling of the Epstein.
[00:51:51]  Scandal.
[00:51:51]  Also, just to list other ones, they botched the Comey case and they dropped the Biden auto pen case.
[00:51:59]  Yeah.
[00:52:00]  Well, listen, this is the she, I mean, they came in again, as we've talked about before, but they came in with so much energy a year ago.
[00:52:10]  They still had it a year ago, but a year and a half ago when they came in.
[00:52:13]  And, you know, so much of that was about what this Justice Department might do and the deep state arrests that we might be seeing.
[00:52:22]  And she put up zero.
[00:52:24]  Botched everything.
[00:52:25]  I mean, just a disastrous track record.
[00:52:27]  I mean, her, the Justice Department and the FBI, you know, Rob, you really didn't think after Obama's Justice Department and FBI, Obama Biden's, you know, Jeff,
[00:52:39]  that like between the spying on the president and the censorship and just the framing Donald Trump for treason and all these things, you really couldn't have imagined that we would have another Justice Department and FBI that rivaled them on the level of disgrace that they are.
[00:52:58]  To the country.
[00:52:59]  But that's what the Trump administration gave us.
[00:53:01]  And of course, the other rumors out there that have been, it's been widely reported that Donald Trump is considering firing Tulsi Gabbard, which I do got to say, man, that would be just fucking precious if she didn't resign when she had the chance to actually do the right thing.
[00:53:20]  And then she still ends up getting fired for it.
[00:53:22]  Anyway, that would go down in history as like a fucking Aesop's fable allegory of exactly why you don't.
[00:53:32]  Fucking compromise every ounce of integrity that you have to keep your job because you could still lose your job and now you have nothing.
[00:53:40]  Um, anyway, uh, and with both of these characters, it's going to be uh, very difficult for them to now be fired and then turn around and try and criticize.
[00:53:50]  I think Am Bondi is going to have a particular problem going into the uh, depositions now that she's no longer, you know, she's no longer the boss, she's no longer employed.
[00:53:59]  I think she's going to have a much harder time uh, running for cover.
[00:54:04]  If Am Bondi, you said.
[00:54:06]  A lot of shit.
[00:54:08]  You said a lot of shit before you turned around and told us there was nothing to see there.
[00:54:12]  Um, hello, I do want to um play because uh, um, we're running out of time because I spent too much time on that nonsense at the beginning.

=== Tucker Carlson's Economic Case (13:08) ===

[00:54:20]  Sorry, had to be done.
[00:54:22]  Um, but I do want to uh, I wanted to play this other clip here because there's something about how, so I, you know, with all this stuff going on, the other thing that's, well, I don't know.
[00:54:35]  There's been, it's been hard to keep up with all the, you know, it's been a bit of an overwhelming, you know, week between doing Rogan and Tucker and all the kind of response.
[00:54:45]  But of course, the big thing that's been trending on Twitter over my conversation with Tucker the other day was this kind of divide on the left and the right.
[00:54:56]  And, you know, you have, There was an interesting moment I felt like for me.
[00:55:03]  And, you know, as I said before, I really love Tucker Carlson and he's become like a friend that I'm really honored to have.
[00:55:11]  And it's so, you know, I sit there and me and him just get into these conversations and we really like, you know, see the world in a similar way in many instances, not all.
[00:55:21]  But I thought it was, you know, as I've been talking about for weeks now, probably the major theme of what we've been talking about has been the destruction of the Trump.
[00:55:32]  Coalition.
[00:55:33]  And then I go on Tucker Carlson and I go, look, this coalition's already destroyed and there's no repairing it.
[00:55:37]  Like, that's just that.
[00:55:39]  And he completely agrees.
[00:55:41]  And it's kind of an interesting thing when you say that.
[00:55:43]  It's like, well, in a weird way, Rob, that almost makes it true.
[00:55:48]  If the biggest right winger in the country, you know what I mean, agrees that the coalition is destroyed, well, then there's who the hell is really arguing with that, you know?
[00:55:56]  Like, if Michael Jordan agrees that the 95 Bulls are breaking up, then they're breaking up because by him breaking up, that's already them breaking up.
[00:56:05]  And Anyway, this is, I think, if you remember, Rob, this was my prediction that I made a few weeks ago, probably the easiest prediction that's ever been made.
[00:56:15]  That when they were running those polls that said 100% of MAGA approve of Donald Trump, the Ben Shapiro's and Mark Levins were saying, see, the coalition is fine.
[00:56:25]  It's proof that Tucker Carlson doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah.
[00:56:29]  And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:56:30]  And they'll very shortly be accepting that the coalition is blown up and then trying to blame other people for it.
[00:56:36]  But I genuinely couldn't imagine.
[00:56:38]  I mean, there was nothing that was better.
[00:56:40]  A better example, I thought, of an example of this than what Donald Trump was saying the other day.
[00:56:50]  So I want to go to this.
[00:56:51]  This speech was not his speech last night.
[00:56:53]  This was a speech he gave earlier in the day.
[00:56:56]  He gave two speeches yesterday.
[00:56:58]  But here is Donald Trump talking about daycare in America.
[00:57:04]  This is, if you don't think the coalition is blown up, just keep in mind that this is going to be every Democratic commercial for the next few years.
[00:57:13]  Let's play this clip.
[00:57:14]  Because the United States can't take care of daycare.
[00:57:18]  That has to be up to a state.
[00:57:20]  We can't take care of daycare.
[00:57:21]  We're a big country.
[00:57:23]  We have 50 states.
[00:57:24]  We have all these other people.
[00:57:25]  We're fighting wars.
[00:57:26]  We can't take care of daycare.
[00:57:28]  You got to let a state take care of daycare, and they should pay for it too.
[00:57:33]  They should pay.
[00:57:33]  They have to raise their taxes.
[00:57:35]  But they should pay for it.
[00:57:36]  And we could lower our taxes a little bit to them to make up.
[00:57:40]  But it's not possible for us to take care of daycare, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things.
[00:57:47]  They can do it on a state basis.
[00:57:48]  You can't do it on a federal basis.
[00:57:50]  We have to take care of one thing military protection.
[00:57:54]  Because the United States.
[00:57:55]  There you go.
[00:57:58]  You tell me the fucking coalition isn't destroyed.
[00:58:01]  You tell me the America First coalition is not destroyed.
[00:58:05]  You got to fuck.
[00:58:06]  What?
[00:58:07]  I'm so now, listen, by the way, me and Rob don't want the government taking care of none of this, just so we're clear.
[00:58:12]  Okay, the government, but imagine your message is oh, dude, I know you're drowning because you can't afford your daycare, and you can't not put your kid in daycare because you have to work because you can't afford your housing because you can't afford your groceries.
[00:58:24]  As you have to put your kid in daycare so you can work, but you can't afford the daycare either.
[00:58:28]  And I understand that's a little bit of a bind for you, but I can't help you.
[00:58:33]  Maybe your governor can raise your taxes a little bit, mate.
[00:58:37]  Would that help?
[00:58:37]  You're like, well, no, that would completely defeat the entire point of all of it.
[00:58:40]  He goes, sorry, we got wars to fight.
[00:58:42]  Sorry, we have wars of choice to fight.
[00:58:45]  So we can't pay for your daycare of choice because we have wars of choice to fight.
[00:58:52]  Republicans, like, dude, if you don't see this yet, okay, it's not that I turned on Trump.
[00:58:59]  It's not that Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens blew up the coalition.
[00:59:03]  He blew up the coalition.
[00:59:05]  He cannot win.
[00:59:07]  No Republican attached to this administration can win anything.
[00:59:12]  It's over.
[00:59:14]  Is it going to be JD Vance or Marco Rubio?
[00:59:16]  What world are you living in?
[00:59:18]  It's not going to be either of them.
[00:59:20]  Neither of them have a chance.
[00:59:22]  That's it.
[00:59:23]  That's the Democrats' ad.
[00:59:24]  You fucking actually took the party of fucking lockdowns and vaccines that don't work and turning your four year old boy into a girl and you handed them the win.
[00:59:34]  That's how bad you are is that they're going to win now.
[00:59:39]  That party makes more sense than you looking the American people in the eyes and going, You have to accept that every city in this country is crumbling, that our airports smell like homeless piss, that there's needles on the ground, that we're trillions in debt, that there's tens of millions who we're not deporting who are here illegally.
[00:59:58]  You have to accept all of this.
[01:00:00]  And we can't make your life a little bit better because we got fucking wars to fight on behalf of foreign governments against nations who pose no threat to you.
[01:00:12]  I wonder who's going to win the midterms this year, Rob.
[01:00:16]  You cannot have just cut a better commercial for Democrats.
[01:00:19]  That is, here's the thing we got a really dumb system in this country of whoever can lie the best in the election cycle wins.
[01:00:27]  And one of the big lies is that government can afford to take care of all of your problems.
[01:00:32]  And you don't even need to work and you don't need to stress.
[01:00:34]  Don't worry, government's got your back and we can handle all these things.
[01:00:37]  Usually the pitch is hey, everyone else is an idiot.
[01:00:40]  I'm Donald Trump and I got common sense.
[01:00:41]  So I'm the guy who's going to bring you the job that no one else was going to bring you.
[01:00:44]  I'm going to be the one who's going to make the country great again.
[01:00:48]  And now you turn around and you go, listen, I can't do any of those things for you because I have to fight wars that you don't want instead.
[01:00:54]  I can't handle everything.
[01:00:55]  This was the exact criticism Margie Taylor Greene was hey, you're supposed to be focused on America first, not all these foreign problems.
[01:01:02]  Well, these foreign problems affect us.
[01:01:04]  Yeah, they affect us, and that you're spending all the money, resources, and time on things that don't help us.
[01:01:09]  And you could otherwise, even though I don't agree with it, I don't want these resources spent at all.
[01:01:15]  Across the board, it's just a game of these are all socialist government policies, including the military.
[01:01:20]  And it just amplifies, hey, we're going to spend money.
[01:01:23]  But, you know, at least you got to lie to people and pretend like you can make their lives better through government spending.
[01:01:30]  And the worst thing you can do is reassert, hey, I'm making your lives worse because I'm fighting wars that you don't want on your behalf with your tax dollars.
[01:01:40]  My God, you're 100% right.
[01:01:42]  Literally every Republican has to denounce MAGA or they're not winning elections.
[01:01:46]  You're going to play that commercial on repeat.
[01:01:49]  The Republicans don't want you to have health care.
[01:01:51]  They don't want, they want to take away your Medicaid.
[01:01:53]  They don't care about your Social Security.
[01:01:55]  What they want is all the resources that they can have a, that they can bomb Iran on Israel's behalf.
[01:02:02]  Liz, you know, it's so when I was on Tucker the other day, I tried to really make this case and I wanted to make sure I got this out.
[01:02:09]  You know, I had been saying months back, I guess maybe, yeah, it was months back where I was kind of maybe around December, but we were talking about, and I was saying how like, you know, one of the things I want to focus on in 26, I really want to talk economics when I get on these podcasts because it was kind of in response to these Democrats winning on economic bread and butter issues.
[01:02:32]  And then this war comes up.
[01:02:36]  And then, of course, that's what ends up dominating all the conversation.
[01:02:38]  But I wanted to make sure on Tucker that I got, I talked about this.
[01:02:43]  And one of the things that I was saying, it's kind of like what free market people like me and you, Rob, like what's always the challenge for us is to try to argue right now when the price inflation has been the number one issue for the last few years in America, really, like for the last four or five years, price inflation, at least since 2021.
[01:03:02]  So, five years, that's been the biggest issue.
[01:03:04]  Has been the price inflation.
[01:03:06]  It happened to come the year after we pumped $6 trillion into the economy.
[01:03:09]  I don't, that's obviously, you know, correlation does not equal causation here, Rob.
[01:03:14]  It's a total coincidence that when we expanded the money supply by the largest amount in human history, we dealt with price inflation in the years following it.
[01:03:23]  But this is the reality of the situation, right?
[01:03:25]  Is that the American people are underwater because nobody can afford to live these days.
[01:03:30]  You really got to be making, especially if you're in like a metropolitan area or something or near one.
[01:03:36]  I mean, you have to be making.
[01:03:38]  Like mid six figures to not be stressed financially, to have a good life.
[01:03:46]  When I say a good life, I just mean the kind of standard own your own house and own your own car and have decent health insurance and send your kids to a decent school and send them to college someday or something like that.
[01:03:59]  Like a normal life.
[01:04:00]  You got to be doing really well or you're drowning in debt and stressed out and all of that.
[01:04:05]  And so now it hands the Democrats this, you know, we're running on unaffordability and we're going to, and so.
[01:04:11]  The challenge we have is that you got these Democrats here who are saying essentially, and this is how you get from incremental socialism to kind of more full blown socialism is that they go, Oh, look, you're drowning, right?
[01:04:26]  So you need a government program, right?
[01:04:28]  Like this is Mamdani's answer.
[01:04:30]  Hey, there's an unaffordability crisis in New York City.
[01:04:33]  And so the answer is we need free buses and free childcare and free groceries or whatever.
[01:04:39]  You know, the thing is, and there's at least on the surface, there's some like, Plausibility to like, yeah, everything's unaffordable.
[01:04:46]  I can't afford stuff.
[01:04:47]  So if you could make some stuff free, free, which just means we tax you for it and it's a government program.
[01:04:52]  But at least on the surface, there's some plausibility to, I can't afford stuff.
[01:04:56]  You're saying you'll make it free.
[01:04:58]  Okay.
[01:04:58]  That does kind of solve the problem that I had.
[01:05:00]  Now, the challenge for us, the job for us is to argue that it's like, no, it's government programs that we can't afford that then they have to print the money for that are the reason you can't afford this shit to begin with.
[01:05:12]  Like, why does it have to be this way?
[01:05:14]  Talk to anybody who is your father's age.
[01:05:18]  Or your grandfather's age.
[01:05:19]  My father talks, my father in law talks all the time about how he bought his first house for whatever it is.
[01:05:26]  He bought the house for $16,000.
[01:05:28]  He was making $13,000 a year.
[01:05:30]  He was driving a truck.
[01:05:31]  This was a regular job.
[01:05:33]  It only paid $13,000 a year, which would be low for today, but the price of a house was $16,000.
[01:05:38]  And then all of a sudden you go, oh, wow, that's really doable.
[01:05:40]  Okay.
[01:05:41]  Like for somebody out there who's making $70,000 today, that would be the equivalent of you being able to go get a house for like $95,000.
[01:05:51]  That, okay, anyway, so the point that we have to make is that the reason why things are unaffordability is because of price inflation.
[01:05:59]  And the reason why you have price inflation is because you have monetary inflation.
[01:06:03]  Now, it's not, it's actually a pretty obvious, intuitive argument, but it takes a few steps to make it, but whatever.
[01:06:09]  But so, but in the realm of this conversation where Democrats are winning on unaffordability, Donald Trump's response when they go, hey, you can't afford anything.
[01:06:18]  And that's why we got to give you these government services to make it easier, he goes, no, You don't understand.
[01:06:25]  You can't afford anything, and we can't afford those government services because we have the most unpopular war in American history to go fight.
[01:06:37]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:06:38]  We blew up the coalition.
[01:06:39]  It's our fault.
[01:06:41]  It's Candace Owens' fault for just investigating that Charlie Kirk murder too much.
[01:06:47]  That's why Democrats are going to win the midterms.
[01:06:50]  Oh, if Tucker Carlson would have just supported Israel, we'd be in tip top shape.
[01:06:56]  What a joke.
[01:06:57]  All right, we got to wrap up.
[01:06:58]  Rob, guys, had to make this one a public episode for obvious reasons.
[01:07:03]  Tomorrow, 1 p.m., members only.
[01:07:05]  Catch you then.
[01:07:06]  Peace.