Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein critique the Trump administration's reliance on force over narrative, citing police raids for social media posts and Attorney General Pam Bondi's escalation of a campus incident. They condemn Sheldon and Miriam Adelson for openly purchasing political influence and challenge Sam Harris's views on Jewish demographics, arguing that blaming all Jews for open immigration policies ignores historical context and valid concerns about assimilation. Ultimately, the hosts assert that labeling legitimate grievances as anti-Semitic conspiracies hinders honest discourse regarding mass migration's impact on national identity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Key West Trip and Concerns00:06:39
What's up, what's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith.
He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
Good to be with you, people.
Good to be with you, Rob.
How are you today?
I'm doing well.
How are you, Mr. Smith?
I'm good.
You know what?
I started thinking about that's actually been putting me in a good mood is that we're going to Key West in a few weeks.
Oh, yeah, I got to book that flight.
I could use that vacation right now.
Let's go.
Oh, dude, it's this is I don't know why it's not like the biggest club, but I loved that so much going down there last year.
Just really, really fun when you live in New Jersey or in Rob's case, Connecticut, but same point in February to just go down to Key West for a few days and just relax.
I haven't been drinking, smoking, or anything.
I'm going to make up for all that in Key West.
It is.
I keep telling myself you're going to Key West in two weeks.
Relax.
Yeah.
No, it's impossible to not drink in Key West.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal.
They might just shoot you on the street.
You're not allowed to get supports you.
Yeah, you can't touch those roosters, but you could shoot a man who's not drinking in Key West.
I think like you have to be within two feet of a cocktail at all times.
Like you got to be able to grab rolls.
That's yes.
And I didn't make it up, but I will go there every year.
So yeah, looking forward to that.
Just also because just particularly because it's been, I mean, for those of you guys who aren't on the Northeast, it's been fucking frigid out here, man.
It's like, I think, and it's supposed to be, it was like 10 degrees yesterday.
It's like 10 degrees today.
I think it's supposed to be in the negatives in the next couple of days.
Oh, really?
It's a real good time.
Yeah, it's a real good time to dip down to Key West for a little bit.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I wanted to, for today's show, I want to talk about something which is, it's, it's a, a bit of a broad theme.
And then there's, there's several different kind of examples of what it is I'm talking about.
Something I'm very concerned with.
And because we've been saying for a while, Rob, right?
Like there's just the United States of America is in a very weird position right now.
Very strange.
And I try, you know, like they say, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes or something.
And things are kind of cyclical.
So you try to understand these things, you try to like look for, you know, other moments in history that had some similarities, but it's very hard to find one because this is such a unique moment.
And, you know, essentially, like, as we talked about through kind of all of last year, it was one of the biggest themes of last year that like the government, the government's propaganda apparatus has essentially been shattered.
There is no more consensus on anything.
And in fact, to the extent that there is a consensus, it's almost like hours, like the podcast scenes consensus, you know?
Like I'm just saying, like, you know, when they used to say like the scientific consensus on COVID or something like that, well, what's the consensus on COVID now?
I guess it's kind of like, oh, the government fucked everything up.
The media lied to everybody.
That's kind of the consensus now, but there's no like real apparatus that the government has, which they always have.
And particularly in modern nation states, like they've just always had this.
And so it does, there is this weird feeling, right?
It kind of feels like, you remember in the old cartoons, Rob, when like a character would like run off a cliff, but then they make it a few more steps.
And then they have a moment where they pause and then they look down and then they fall.
It feels like we're right about to look down.
But like, we're like, it just there's look, I mean, Donald Trump, think about the last year, the year that was 2025, and how much like the pro-Israel arguments just got completely destroyed.
You know, all the anti-war people were ascending and all the war hawks are just getting embarrassed.
And then as a result of that, Donald Trump's going more hawkish than he's ever gone before.
So there's this, there's this weird kind of like asymmetry or something.
That's not the right word.
There's this weird dynamic where like in the propag in terms of the narrative war, our side is dominating.
In terms of the policy, we're losing worse than ever.
And one of the things that I've been concerned about, very concerned about, is like, okay, so what comes next?
And, you know, the state, at the end of the day, the state is an instrument of force and they use propaganda to convince you that their force is legitimate.
But if they run out of propaganda, all they got left is force.
You know what I mean?
Like that's they're they came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and they're all out of bubblegum.
So the state is all out of propaganda.
And the only thing they have left is kicking ass.
And it does just make you wonder what is going to come next.
And this is something I've been concerned about.
You know, another round of mass censorship on the internet, hate speech laws, as we've seen this administration move to support.
And so it's within that context that I've seen two videos.
I was thinking about playing the videos on the show, but I guess I don't think it really adds anything.
They're not great for those who listen audio only.
It's not great audio on them.
But essentially, there's one video in Miami, one video in Texas.
It's both the same things.
It's cops showing up to people's houses over tweets that they've sent.
Now, while this is going on, our kind of sister country in Europe, the UK, has arrested like 12,000 people this year for tweets or posts on social media.
And of course, Rob, what's not shocking at all is what both of these tweets were over was criticizing Israel, of course.
And so you just, look, I'm not like predicting some dystopian thing coming tomorrow, but it certainly is disturbing as shit when you're seeing like the administration from the top,
kind of all the way down to the bottom, talking about how they're going to be, you know, cracking down on what they call anti-Semitism, aka using Ben Shapiro's definition of anti-Semitism anytime you criticize Israel.
So this is very disturbing.
I'm sure you saw the videos, right, Rob?
TikTok, Wellness, and Censorship00:03:26
I did.
I think one of the only things, you know, that was likable about Trump was we thought the censorship climate would be better.
And it could not have been worse over the COVID regime.
I mean, that was absolutely the most censorship I've ever experienced.
But through the whole woke agenda, there was censorship.
If you're criticizing global warming, there are a lot of topics that the internet would take you down for.
But COVID was the worst.
I mean, I got repeated strikes on my channels.
And the climate itself, I do think is different just because the media apparatus has lost so much viewership and support.
And Twitter thus far is still an open and free space, which kind of challenges YouTube and the other ones to try and stay in line to keep engagement and not be in places of censorship.
But the Donald Trump regime is certainly looking into more censorship for Israel.
You got Larry Ellison who bought up TikTok.
And you had, you know, even had Netanyahu talking about why it's important that people are taking over TikTok.
And this seems to be a major escalation of knocking on actual people's doors who have just said words online.
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Well, it's also, you know, the thing about like Ellison buying TikTok or, you know, them buying CBS news and putting Barry Weiss as the head of it, those to me were always like, oh, like they actually think that's going to work?
That's not going to have an effect on anything.
It's like, like, I mean, I guess TikTok, I'm a little out of touch.
Like, I've never used TikTok myself.
You've never TikTok?
I've never TikToked.
TikTok Ty, real good.
I've never, I have never TikToked, never won, not even one talk.
But I know that it's huge and it was real big, like for Gen Z, people fucking really love watching it.
And so like, I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything to take that over.
Policing Campus Phone Throws00:15:25
I do think that that was like a fertile ground for a lot of people to wake up to some of the lies that the war party has told us.
But, you know, if there's other social media platforms, if they end up shutting that down, people just move over to the other site.
So like, as long as there's some, as long as you got like, like you said there, right?
Like as long as Twitter's a whole lot better about censoring people, YouTube's a whole lot better.
We still got Rumble.
You still get like, as long as you have like at least a few big ones, eh, it's fine.
They'll go to that.
And buying CBS news, it's like, wow, what a fucking joke, dude.
You know, you're literally, you're spending all this money for the name, the name brand, CBS.
And it's a name that no one trusts or gives a shit about.
It's the dumbest thing.
Like you might as well spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying shit soda or something.
Like, what?
No one wants it.
But that's the thing.
You know, it's like we talked about this a lot.
They keep failing.
They keep losing.
Every goddamn one of these things, Rob, every time there's a war party event, whether there's the Jewish organization for this or the Zionist organization for that or the whatever, you know, whatever, anything where anyone from the American Enterprise Institute is speaking or the, you know, whatever.
They're all, the topic is always the same.
They all get up there and go, hey, we are getting killed.
You know, we've played the clips of that crazy lady who was Obama's speechwriter.
There's just the other day at this one, we're going to play a clip from Pam Bondi talking at this event.
What's her name?
What's the former DNC?
No, no, no, the former DNC chair, Wasserman Schultz, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Yeah, she's.
10 out of 10.
There's a, no, she just got up there.
It's her thing.
We're getting killed out here.
There's a whole new generation who don't support Israel and they hate Jews and blah, blah, blah.
It's like every single time they're talking about how they're getting killed.
So you see things like, oh, CBS, this is going to fail.
Barry Weiss.
That was the most predictable thing ever.
Also, by the way, they're so out of touch that Barry Weiss thought, you know, who should be in front of the camera?
Me.
Oh, yes.
Let's get, let's get an unattractive liberal lesbian to like, it's just, I don't know.
It's just bizarre that she even thought I'd be the one who could carry this message.
But her speakers were in the middle of the country, Dave.
Yeah, right.
That's right.
Jewish lesbians.
What represents the middle of the country?
It's literally like what she's trying to do, like an elitist fucking Jewish lesbian.
It's just too ridiculous.
But her Erica Kirk interview flopped.
Like nobody watched it.
No one cares.
But so as they keep failing, that's the point I'm making.
Then it's like, okay, well, what else do you have other than let's escalate and crack down?
Because one of the big advantages that they have over us is that they have like the administration's ear.
You know, we, we just don't.
I mean, we got Tucker Carlson who still talks to the president, but I don't think he's convincing them.
And, you know, like it's just, it's a different situation.
And so you wonder, look, the writing's kind of on the walls.
Do they have to crack down on this more in the future?
But already, right, seeing, seeing cops show up to people's houses for posts that they made.
And these aren't like, it's not like they're coming to my house or something, which would be like a little bit less alarming.
I mean, more so for me, but less so for the country.
But it's not like they're coming to someone's house who it's like, you're a huge, you know, you got a big following on social media and you're saying this.
They're just going to random people, like a random guy just said a thing and now they're coming after them.
Very disturbing.
And substantially more disturbing than that were these comments made by the disgraced Attorney General, Pam Bondi.
Let's go to that clip because this was from the same event that Maryam Adelson spoke at the other day.
This was, I mean, I just, I couldn't even believe she's saying this shit out loud.
But here, let's play that clip.
I want to tell you a story right here in Florida.
You've probably heard of it.
It's not a crime of great violence, but in my opinion, it's a crime of great significance.
I give college presidents my personal cell phone and I say, if you need anything, call me.
My phone rang one day.
I was sitting in the office and it was the president of Florida State University.
And he said, something just happened.
Yeah, a young woman, a student, threw her phone, cursed, attacked a young student, a young man, male student, who was playing basketball because he was wearing an IDF shirt.
She was a student.
He was a student.
I spent the next few hours on the phone.
I call my U.S. attorney.
I call the state attorney, call law enforcement.
And I guess she saw it went through the system as it should.
And she now is kicked out of Florida State University.
But little things are the big things.
And that sends a strong message that you can't behave that way anymore in our country.
You can't bully other students simply because they're Jewish and you think they're better than they are.
Okay.
All right.
So, I mean, Rob, first of all, in this story, like, you do, look, I'm not defending throwing a phone at anybody or nothing like that, but let's just remember what we just heard here.
Again, sorry, my this show is supposed to be from what I've been informed in like the Southern Poverty Law Center and salon.com, all the, all the hit pieces that have ever been written about me.
Like, this is supposed to be a far right wing show, right?
Donald Trump's supposed to be a far right wing guy.
So, like, it's almost like, are we a bunch of leftist snowflakes now?
Like, you are telling me the story here was a woman bullying a man physically who was playing basketball.
So, like, a guy in reasonably decent enough shape that he's playing a game of basketball and was he bullied by a woman?
That's maybe she was crazy and spazzed out on him.
I mean, she even opens, I don't know the details of the story.
She opens by saying it's not a story of great violence.
Essentially, she threw a phone.
So, like, okay, that's bad.
The school can decide how they reprimand things like that.
But for the fucking attorney general of the United States of America, like, why are you even involved in this?
And why are we all cheering?
Like, is it so obvious that it's just like a good thing that this kid's life got all fucked up because she got kicked out of the school she was going to?
And the one last thing I'll say, and then I, I mean, because there's, there's more to say on this, but also, don't you like, look, again, not defending it, not defending anything.
Anybody could put on whatever shirt they want to put on.
If they want to put on Adolf Hitler was great or Joseph Stalin's the man or a fucking IDF shirt.
No, you can't fucking assault people over the goddamn shirt that they wear because this is a goddamn free country, or at least it's supposed to be.
But don't say, you can't say he's wearing an IDF shirt and then say she attacked him just for being Jewish.
I'm just so sick of this goddamn conflation.
Those are different things.
Those are different fucking things.
If she just attacked someone for being Jewish, why was it the one with the IDF shirt on and not the ones without it?
You know what I'm saying, Rob?
Like that is a different thing.
You're wearing the t-shirt of a military that is committing a genocide.
Sorry, that's not just for being Jewish.
Now, if you told me that she threw her phone at Benjamin Leibowitz as he was leaving, you know, his dental office, then okay.
Okay.
Then you're attacking someone just for being Jewish, maybe.
But no, Rob, that's a different thing.
Like in the same sense, right?
That, and again, logical analogy, not an equation.
You always have to preface this, by the way, Rob.
I've found that 99% of people cannot tell the difference between that.
I'm just saying the logic here, right?
If somebody was wearing an Adolf Hitler shirt and you attacked them, you didn't attack them for being German, right?
You get the logic of that?
It's not the same thing.
And if you to conflate those two things are just clearly intentionally dishonest.
Those are different fucking things.
It wasn't that you were just German.
It's that you were specifically making a statement about how you support this group of German people with political power.
And what is the beef with that?
Oh, they used that power to kill a bunch of innocent people.
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Anyway, any thoughts on this, Rob?
I just love a lady getting up in front of a room of Jews and going, Hey, if you guys keep tattletelling, this administration has your back.
And then them applauding that the administration.
I mean, talk about such a wild escalation.
I don't know the incident, but I guess a kid who's playing basketball had a phone thrown at him and he decides to go to the school administration.
That kid's already tattletelling.
Then the school administrator.
Yeah, the school administrator couldn't handle that in-house and had to actually call up the Pam Bondi to deal with it.
And then Pam Bondi actually took the time to call up lawyers and make sure that this was properly prosecuted.
And then you cheer this on in a room full of Jews who go, yay, tattletelling.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, like, dude, they lean into the stereotype so hard.
It's like, what it is a weird thing.
Like, what are you trying to create more of this?
Is that your goal?
I mean, again, dude, just think about the attorney general.
I mean, just how pathetic.
I can't believe it.
There was a store and they wouldn't take coupons.
They wouldn't take coupons at the store.
You know what I did?
I called up the SEC.
Dude, I don't give a shit, man.
Like, you know, Dan Bongino can call us a black pillar all he wants to.
And all you guys who want to defend Trump can try to make up whatever excuses you want to.
But just like, the only dignified thing you can do right now is just to fucking completely abandon this goddamn clown show administration.
They're just so awful.
It's such a humiliation of the goddamn, of the whole country, of their base, particularly, but the whole fucking country.
Like, honestly, dude, I don't even want to hear any more people who go like, oh, look, Dave's got Trump derangement syndrome or something like that.
Like, dude, shut the fuck up.
I was good on Russia Gate before any of you even knew what the fuck it was.
I was good on Russia Gate before Donald Trump was good on Russia Gate.
This swear to God, true story, Rob.
Me and you were on it before.
If you remember, Rob, when Donald Trump, when they first came to Donald Trump and Comey himself said this and Trump, both, they both confirmed this, that his first thing was he bought it and he went, take everything.
He went, what?
The Russians have infiltrated my campaign?
Oh my God, take everything.
Here's all of our books.
Here's all of our notes.
Here's everything.
didn't even realize they were trying to set him up.
I was like, dude, save your soul and stop supporting Donald Trump right now.
This is his attorney general.
The chick who covered up the Epstein, who covered up the Epstein pedophile ring, this chick is who's hasn't gone after any of the deep state criminals.
Yeah, you remember the ones who framed Donald Trump for treason?
She's not going after any of them, even though the director of national intelligence claims she sent her the proof that Obama committed treason and all this other stuff.
And don't give me that presidential immunity bullshit either, because fine, even if that were true, that only applies to Barack Obama, not to all of his men.
It doesn't apply to Clapper or Comey or Brennan or Joe Biden when he was vice president or any of them.
So, anyway, so she goes after none of the deep state criminals, none of the people who stole the 2020 election.
Like they claim, none of that shit.
But if there's one case of anti-Semitism on a college campus, she's all over it.
She'll make sure.
And by the way, Rob, what even is the implication of her story that she called a state attorney general and they all got together, yada, yada, yada.
She got kicked out of school.
Like, why would the national or state attorney general getting on the phone help a school's ability?
She said, we called local law enforcement.
What does any of that have to do with getting kicked out of a school?
It's just like all of it.
Like, but what are you saying?
This is the thing that you will race to, though.
A girl threw something at a boy.
That's the story you've got here.
It really, firstly, she comes off like a complete raging lunatic, and I'm surprised she hasn't lost her job.
But aside from that, it just does feel like that flavor of the Donald Trump authoritarian regime.
I hate, I hate sounding like a leftist, but hey, listen, we're going to police things to the max all the way down to if there's a lady on a college campus throwing a phone at somebody, you can bet that we're going to take up the call and make sure that they're thrown out of school.
Girl Kicked Out of School00:02:38
Yeah.
I mean, you guys are zero tolerance.
You're every bit.
You're a cartoonish version of a social justice warrior.
What is this shit?
Yeah.
Somebody felt unsafe on a college campus.
Get the government involved.
Jesus Christ.
And I just can't even imagine.
You know, like, I mean, I don't know.
I grew up in a different world, genuinely a very different world.
I was raised in a very different manner than I raised my kids.
Like I was, I was raised like if I came back, which I did when I was six years old, came back to my mother and my stepfather and told them that like a kid just punched me.
And they went, they kicked me out of the house.
They went, go punch him back.
That was it.
There was no like, oh, the adults step in here.
It was like, no, what are you doing?
You're tattling?
Go, you know what I mean?
Like that was just the way it was.
Now, I do not raise my kids that way.
Okay.
Like that is not my attitude at all.
If something like that happened to one of my kids, there would be a meeting about it and shit.
Like, I got little kids.
If, if my son was 20 and he told me he was playing basketball and a girl threw something at him, the idea that I'd say, take this to the chancellor.
Like, what?
No.
It's just too weird to me.
It's too like, anyway, the idea that you go take it to the attorney general is just like insane.
And also, I don't think, I don't know if I'd want that girl kicked out of school.
Maybe like someone should talk to her, maybe some type of punishment, but that would seem a little excessive to me.
But for the attorney general to be bringing this up at an event and talking about it publicly is just, it's beyond bizarre.
And look, I mean, again, Rob, like you, you kind of made one of the points.
We were saying like leaning into stereotypes, like going and speaking at a Jewish event and telling them like, we tattled and we won, you know, that's not great.
But then also, I mean, come on, like, as Ben Shapiro said the other day, anti-Semitism is a conspiracy theory.
It's a conspiracy theory that the Jews run everything.
It's like, well, I mean, what does this look like?
What does all of this make it look like?
That, oh, okay.
So like, don't worry, the full force of the federal government is behind making sure that nobody is hostile toward Jews.
Surveillance System and Outrage00:15:03
That kind of confirms the thing.
It's like the great old Norm McDonald joke.
It's just like all of this just plays right into the stereotypes.
It's nothing good coming out of any of this.
You know, let's do the, let's play the, what's his name again?
The ADL guy.
Hold on one second.
It's the last one that I sent you, Jonathan Greenblatt.
Because this one is pretty wild as well.
This is the head of the ADL giving his take on a similar dynamic.
So number one, we measure and track.
Number two, we monitor and disrupt.
We have a whole apparatus.
I have 40 analysts working full-time, seven days a week, 24 hours a day, monitoring extremists.
We monitor them online, social media, messaging apps, video games, cryptocurrency, podcasts, short form video, Wikipedia, LLMs.
We monitor these people and we share the intelligence with the FBI.
You saw last month, you heard about the thing that happened at Wilshire Boulevard Temple.
Our analysts investigated what happened.
They said they were Koreatown for Palestine, this group of people.
They weren't.
We were able to ascertain they were from a group called the Turtle Island Liberation Front.
Turtle Island is how like left-wing activists refer to the United States.
They don't call it America.
They call it Turtle Island, like the Iranians call it.
Iranians call it the Zionist entity, right?
They want to call it by its name.
The Turtle Island Liberation Front, we gave them a whole dossier.
What is Turtle Island Liberation Front?
What are their ideas, their goals?
Who are they?
We identified the people who are in the synagogue.
This was on Wednesday, December the 10th.
On Monday, December the 15th.
This is going to ring a bell.
Kash Patel announced they cracked a terror ring where they arrested four people who are playing New Year's Eve bombings.
Turtle Island Liberation Front.
At least one of the people I know for certain was in the building at Wilshire Boulevard Temple, vandalizing it and disrupting the event.
So we're monitoring left-wing radicals like the DSA and the anti-war crazies and the pro-Palestine crazies.
We're monitoring right-wing extremists like white supremacists, armed militia groups.
We're monitoring political Islamists and Christian nationalists, all of them.
And then we train.
We're the largest trainer of law enforcement in America, extremism hate.
We train 20,000 officers every year.
There you go.
And of course, Rob, they'll start with like using one example of like an actual crime and then going, but we monitor everyone, the anti-war crazies, the white nationalists, which again, that just encompasses everybody who's critical of Israel.
And again, all I'm saying here is that you gotta, in this game, you gotta listen to what they tell you and what they're all saying at every one of their conferences, all of these things.
The topic is always, we're getting killed out here.
It's Charlie Kirk's letter to Benjamin Netanyahu.
We're getting killed out here.
What are we going to do?
And what they're telling you they're going to do is fucking turn to the government.
and get the government to start cracking down on these people.
And it does, it makes you wonder where all of it's going.
I think there was a second clip here where he talks about having to, I mean, here he's talking about talking to Kash Patel, but I thought there was a clip where he talks about monitoring stuff and having direct communication with the FBI.
Yeah.
Just the idea that like a Jewish group is telling you that we're monitoring everything on the internet.
And listen, we don't control anything, but we do have direct communication with the FBI and the FBI will instantly look into whatever we tell them we have flagged in our monitoring.
I don't know, it kind of sounds like you got some premium access there.
And like maybe you are some running things behind the scenes.
Why does an advocacy group have direct communication with the FBI that they'll take their leads and look into things?
The turtle, whatever, Bay Island, I don't know, maybe that story is true and proof of the fact that sometimes they do good work, but it seems odd to me that you guys are openly stating, hey, we're monitoring everything on the internet.
And if we detect something we think is anti-Semitic, which by the way, is our definition of anti-Semitism, which includes criticizing Israel, the FBI will not just hang up the phones on us.
Yeah, it's a very creepy thing to say.
Again, plays into all the stereotypes.
And also, right, I mean, look, the ADL has demonstrated over and over again.
It's like the Southern Poverty Law Center or something like that.
It's they're so loose with the terms.
You know, like these are people who would say, like, it doesn't matter that Tucker Carlson says a hundred times every episode that he has nothing against Jewish people at all.
They still consider him to be an anti-Semitism.
It's like it doesn't matter.
Won the year of the war.
Didn't he get the anti-Semite of the Year Award?
Oh, did he?
I didn't remember who ended up winning it.
I just remember us covering that they were dumb enough to put Miss Rachel on it, which is just still so funny.
Just so goddamn.
These people are just, they've lost their minds.
But yeah, I mean, this is this is what they're telling you.
And look, again, I'm not saying I know how this is going to, how this is possibly going to play out.
I can't imagine they actually think they can crack down on all of this.
It's just the toothpaste's out of the tube.
There's nothing you're going to do here.
But that doesn't mean they think that.
And that doesn't mean they won't try.
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All right.
All right.
What should we, we got, we've got a bunch of good stuff here.
What a, uh, let's do, yeah, let's do the Sam Harris one because it is kind of on this.
I think the Michelle or Miriam Adelson moment before Pam Bondi definitely deserves a mention.
Oh, yeah.
Was that, did we have that?
Was that sent over?
Did, you know, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure I sent that clip, but sure, if you want to just talk about it for a second.
Yeah, what was it that caught your eye that she said?
I mean, just the entire incident of, all right, listen, Jewish people, we don't run anything.
There's no favorable treatment.
This is all anti-Semitism.
And then in a room full of Jewish people, well, I can still just set it up.
They're asking, so what are you guys able to do to court influence?
I know you're giving them a lot of money, but what are your other maneuvers for courting influence?
Yeah, here, let's play the clip.
Talk about something just not to put on tape.
We have many sessions here about how important it is to get involved, to build a relationship with politician and to have access.
And access and relationship can buy you influence.
Doesn't mean it's going to buy you.
So you both muster that.
So can you share with us, I want everyone to learn today.
How do you start?
How do you build a relationship with the politician?
I know there is always money involved because that's part of the system.
But the relationship is not always just about money.
It's unbelievable how disgusting that is and how it's just played off.
Like, hey, listen, I know that we live in the grossest world ever where if you have enough money, you can purchase influence.
And both of you guys are doing a great job of partaking in this corruption of purchasing influence.
But for all the people out here that don't have as much money, what else can they do to get influence above just voting and everything else that other Americans, but just the way he plays off something that's actually so evil about our reality is perfectly socially acceptable and normal.
And particularly, dude, Rob, I mean, just the optics of it.
I mean, you're sitting here in a thick Israeli accent talking at the Israeli America Alliance, whatever this thing is called, talking about how to buy off our government.
Like, it's just like, if you were doing this, which obviously they are, you would just think you would at least have the decency to not talk about it out loud.
You know, like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You're supposed to read about this in a conspiracy book that behind some closed door rumors were stated that Israeli people were talking about how much money do they have to spend to court influence, not in front of television cameras in a room of people clapping.
Yeah, this is the thing that Nick Fuentes is supposed to say.
And then other people go, ah, that's a racist conspiracy theory.
You're not supposed to hear it from their mouths at an event that they decided to televise or record or whatever.
It's just, it's crazy.
Here, let's keep playing.
To have the access and to have the relationship to create an influence, you need not just the money.
So I want, we have 4,000 people here.
I want them to hear from the best, you and Miri, about how do you do that?
Well, Miri and Sheldon have been much more generous than me.
So why don't you turn around and ask Dora?
I'm going to ask her, but you both made a lot of connection and made a big influence.
What I gave is this, versus what they gave is this.
It's the same principle.
I understand what you're asking.
It's contractual.
It's a system that we did not create.
It's a system that's in place.
It's a legal system.
And we just play within the system.
And that's it.
I mean, it's really quite simple.
If you support a politician, you, under normal circumstances, should have access to be able to share opinions and try to help them see your point of view.
That's what access grants you.
And the contribution and the financial support grants you the access.
So, I mean, those that give more have more access and those that give less have less access.
It's a simple math.
Trust me.
Get it.
Now you're going to find the other clip with when Adelson responds to this, but I'll let you take this one on first.
Well, I mean, you look, what can you say?
I mean, look, he's not entirely wrong.
I mean, that was essentially the conclusion of Mearsheimer and Waltz's book, The Israel Lobby, right?
Is that, look, this is the game, and they're just playing it better than anybody else.
So I mean, okay, fair enough, but the game is fucking disgusting, man.
And like, it's a total outrage, even just as you say it out loud.
You're like, what?
Yeah, so we get to buy off access and we give them money and then we get the policies we want.
Good luck competing with that.
Guy who's a plumber, Miriam Adelson can give him a few hundred million dollars.
What can you give him?
All right.
So you know how the economy sucks for you, plumber?
Well, we're going to have to take a little bit more of your money and give it to Israel because people with money get access.
What's crazy is these people aren't even really giving because they get a lot back.
In this case, I mean, how much money has the U.S. spent on military support to Israel this year?
Or like in the case of the big banks, big banks are also very good at this game.
But then how much money do they get in bailouts?
So it's not like these people are just giving money to politicians.
They're making a very expensive but profitable investment and basically being able to rob the federal purse.
Oh, there is no better ROI in the world than buying a politician.
You could buy a politician for a few crummy million dollars and you could get billions from the right bill getting passed.
So no question about that.
But again, it is, look, it's part of this is just the nature of human beings, right?
Like if, you know, we talk about this stuff a lot as it applies to U.S. foreign policy, right?
Like there is, so if, let's just say, like, you know, the deep state, as we all know, right, Rob?
The deep state did steal the election, you know, now maybe not in the way that Trump says, but they absolutely put their finger on the scale to interfere in the election in Joe Biden's favor.
And it was a very close election.
It took weeks to figure out who won that thing.
And the deep state came out and just made up a whole fucking propaganda story to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story and claim it was Russian disinformation and all this.
And, okay, so we know that.
But like If the Chinese had come in and done it, we would feel a little different about that.
Immigration Hawks Get It Wrong00:09:45
Like you'd be much, you'd be much more likely to be ready to pick up a gun and go do something if like a foreigner had, because it's just a little bit different.
It's a little bit different when you're and so in the same sense with Iran, you know, when they were furious when they overthrew the shah that America had installed the shah.
It's a little bit different.
People can take a domestic depotism more than they can over like a foreign domination.
And just like, so, so, in other words, if this was, you know, the farmers union trying to buy off the government so that they can get more subsidies or something like that, it's just not quite as appalling as like a foreign country buying off favor from our government on behalf of theirs.
There's just something about that that's just so outrageous.
It's like you're essentially, yes, you're saying that you're playing within the very corrupt, disgusting rules that we have, but in effect, you're a foreign spy.
That's essentially what you're telling us.
Like, I'm a foreign spy who's here to influence your government.
What else can you say?
Yeah, that's just how they are.
Did we find the other Mary Maidelson clip or no, Natalie?
It's all good, if not.
No worries.
If not, basically, they ask her what she uses other than money, and she pleases the fifth.
In terms of influence, they ask her what other tools she has for influence.
And she goes, I feel like I shouldn't answer that, but money works.
That's the short of it.
She goes, Jeffrey Epstein gets them to rape children.
And then we, yeah, she wasn't going to say that part out loud.
Yeah, pretty damn disturbing.
All of it.
Pretty damn disturbing.
Did you see it is kind of on topic, a little bit different than the topic, but it's hard not to talk about these things.
But I do, I want to play the Sam Harris clip because, dude, it's, I don't know.
Sam Harris just fascinates me.
He fascinated me before he started particularly talking shit about me last year or whenever that was.
But it's just the guy like who all I know, all I see of Sam Harris now is like clips circulate where everybody's just mocking him.
It's amazing how much it's changed just in the last few years here.
But this was Sam Harris talking once again about the world of conspiracy theories and anti-Semitism.
There are several anti-Semitic conspiracies theories operative now, but I think the most influential one on the right is the Jewish hand in immigration and all of its attendant woes.
We were a voice for immigration throughout the 20th century.
We have suffered for closed borders by closed borders.
That's clearly okay.
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All right.
I think I didn't mean to send that clip.
I sent the wrong version of it.
But anyway, okay, it's the kind of point being made.
So Sam Harris and them, they sit here and have this conversation.
And they're like, oh, it's this awful conspiracy theory that Jews are behind open immigration.
And then essentially they just go on to explain that like, yeah, Jews supported open immigration because we benefited from it in the past.
And I don't know, Rob, it's like, again, like with all these things.
There's also a whole lot of Jews who are border hawks.
And so like, it doesn't make sense to like blame Jews as a whole.
But like, I've always just found this to be an odd, you know, me and you have talked about this for years.
In fact, I remember like, whatever it was, like 10 years ago when you came on the show and we first started podcasting together.
We used to talk about these things where there'd be like the, in fact, some of them were like Barry Weiss clips and stuff like that, where she'd be talking about anti-Semitism and all of this.
And I always feel like, okay, but like, if you're going to have this conversation, like at least just have the conversation.
Just like be honest about it.
Let's actually talk about this.
And that doesn't mean you have to come to the conclusion that, yeah, it's right to hate Jews or something like that.
In fact, but I don't really think too many people are seriously arguing that.
But you go, hey, I mean, open immigration has been a disaster for America.
It's been a disaster for Europe.
And it is in particularly in Europe.
In a sense, like, you know, you ever look at like the projections, Rob, that it's like, we're only like a few decades away from like Irish people are going to be a minority in Ireland.
British people are going to be a minority in Britain, you know, like Swedes, a minority in Sweden.
And that is, look, I, I could look at this a lot of different ways and I can understand, you know, like I'm, again, I, I grew up in New York City.
Like I'm not, I don't know.
I can understand people going, yeah, what difference does it make?
Like, what does it matter if this changes or that changes or whatever?
But like on some level, you're like, yeah, but maybe that's kind of profoundly fucked up.
Like, you know, Irish people, first of all Ireland's a great example just because they have, they have like none of the white guilt or shouldn't have any of the white guilt that like plagues so many of these other countries.
Like Ireland never dominated anyone.
It's just never did anything.
They didn't, as far as I know, they didn't have a slave trade.
They never conquered anyone.
They were just getting their asses kicked by the British.
That was their entire style.
And Irish people, like real deal, fucking fought and died for their independence, for their autonomy, like for their people to continue.
And then if a bunch of politicians against the will of the Irish people just like decided to completely change it so that Ireland goes extinct, well, you could certainly see where a lot of people would have a problem with that.
And for the people who don't even eat potatoes or drink.
Talk about the end of Ireland.
That's true.
You brought in a bunch of people who don't drink to Ireland.
But like, you know, and then you're going to sit there and go like, okay, well, hey, we're, we're a part of this group.
It's like 2% of the population in America, much, much less than that globally.
And yeah, we came in and we advocated for all these policies that resulted in this because we thought it was better for us.
All right.
But like, if that's the case, then I just don't see how the next thing you wouldn't say is like, so I understand why we take a lot of heat for that.
I understand why that pisses a lot of people off.
Because isn't it kind of obvious?
Isn't that obvious why that would get some people to go, oh, that was kind of fucked up.
And I don't know.
I just, I don't, I don't think that's, I don't think that's right.
And it's uh, it's also not the case.
You know, you hear the stories about like, um, which I'm sure you, you've heard Rob, it is very like famous amongst Jews.
Like almost every Jewish kid heard the story from their parents about boats full of Jews being turned away during the Nazis' reign in Germany and then getting sent back to Nazi Germany.
And like, hey, look, that's a, if you have an example where like a closing a border meant you sent people back to a genocide to get genocided.
Hey, that's a, that's a good example of fucking, god damn, that really is, that sure does suck for those people.
And man, are you sure we couldn't just take in a couple ships of these people and not send them back to their deaths?
Okay, fine.
But you can't extrapolate from that that they are for you can take in tens of millions of people.
Like it's just a lot of these things don't work like that.
And I really do think, you know, it's the major problem with immigration is the sheer numbers.
It's not that like any other group of people are so horrible, or at least from my perspective.
And I think sometimes the immigration hawks get this wrong.
Like they'll kind of take the attitude that even I see a lot of them because, you know, hating Muslims is kind of the new go-to now.
And there's literally, I can't remember which paper it was.
I was reading it.
It was one Israeli paper.
Might have been the Jerusalem Post.
I can't remember, but they had like a, it was, it was a, from the Israeli government, like a whole report that's basically said, like, we're losing this war, the PR war real bad.
And what we should pivot to is fuck the Muslims because that's what right-wingers in America respond to.
So anyway, there's a lot of that going on now.
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But they'll say things like, Islam is incompatible with the West or something like that.
And it's like, I don't know.
I'm not sure I believe that.
You know, I grew up in Brooklyn.
We had a fairly large, like, like Pakistan, you know, Pakistanis, some Afghans, you know, and they were cool.
They were like, you know, they were, they were the people who threw on a baseball hat and ran a bodega and were like, I love, I love baseball in America and had a little American flags waving in their stores and stuff.
The thing is, it wasn't in such large numbers.
Like, and it wasn't, there's a difference between importing like immigrants who go through a process and get a lawyer and pay a fee and like do a thing and then just taking millions in from a war-torn region.
Like that's just a fundamentally different thing.
And we ended up doing a whole lot of the latter.
And yeah, if you're, if you're advocating for that as it went down, yeah, you're kind of caught with your pants down now that everybody realizes it was a big, huge mistake.
That's going to lead towards some people resenting you for advocating for those policies.
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I don't know.
Any thoughts, Rob?
Yeah, even in the case of, because I've had this, someone breaks up with someone, got to crash on your couch.
It's a year later, and you're like, hey, you're supposed to crash on the couch.
It's a year later.
Yeah.
And there's something to be said when people come to countries because, you know, there's shenanigans in their country that it's not like they pick up and go afterwards.
It's like even the Holocaust news, I don't think they were looking to go back or the Syrian refugees.
I don't think they're looking to go back.
There's something to be said for like, hey, you got a bit of an emergency situation.
So I feel like we're not comfortable enough with the concept of like a second class citizenship or even maybe like area, like safe areas of internment or something.
I don't know.
It seems like there's a bit of a middle ground between, all right, you can't, it's not safe for you out there anymore.
So you can be here like forever versus you can ride out this wave, but you can't stay.
Yeah, no, that's a very, that's a very good point.
That's a very good point.
It doesn't have to be the extreme of either.
I also just think, you know, I think that generally speaking, right?
The this is broad brush here, but generally speaking, I think the left, left wingers in general, cartoonishly make everything environmental, but there's also a tendency on the right, particularly on the far right, to make everything genetic.
And I think this is maybe like the most centrist view I have, but the truth is like you're always getting it wrong if you say it's all nurture or you say it's all nature.
And you, because it's always both.
It's always a mix of both.
And actually, nurture is very, very important.
Your environment matters a lot.
It's not everything.
There is such a thing as genetics.
There is biological realities.
Now, obviously, you could all think of environments or excuse me, you could all think of examples where the left does this like to a cartoonish level.
Obviously, the trans issue is the most obvious one where it's like, guys, you can't like there is a scientific reality here and you can't just wish that away because you don't like the way it makes you feel like whatever.
It's just you're you're you're arguing like it's like I'm I'm a man, but I feel like I'm a woman.
Therefore, I'm a woman.
Well, like however you feel that person should be treated, just like, no, you're not, you don't, you don't get to just say your feelings trump reality.
And of course, people in the left, if you were to ask why it is that there's such a higher crime rate in the black community than the white community, or if you were to ask why Africa is so poor and Europe is so rich, immediately they have to go to environmental factors.
Like that, that just has to be the answer.
The answer, it's oppression, imperialism, something.
Something was done to that.
There's no way this group could be here and this group could be here in any field for any reason other than environment, which is silly.
Like there are differences between different groups of people.
But at the same time, I think right-wingers have a tendency to really downplay environment.
And so like, for example, okay, like if me and my wife were, let's say you got like the worst bin Ladenite head chopper in running the Syrian government right now.
But take the worst, like, you know, ISIS when they were invading, invading Iraq and just literally chopping people's heads off and doing all types of crazy barbaric shit.
You take the 20-year-old who's doing that.
The guy who's chopping people's heads off.
And let's say, 20 years earlier me and my wife adopted him and he comes and lives in my house and we raise him the same way we raise our children.
Now I don't know.
You know my children and I could see it already in them.
Even though they're young kids.
They have like specific things that are genetic from me or genetic from my, my wife or they.
You see, one of them looks like their grandmother or one of them.
You know what I mean.
Like things that are clearly like or they have an ability that you know one of us had or something okay, so like.
That kid may not have all that he i'm not saying he would be exactly the same as my kids.
He will not be chopping people's heads off, that is 100 guaranteed like he would be a functioning member of society because we would love him and raise him right and like.
Environment does actually mean a lot.
So like.
In other words, if you take the one member of Isis as a newborn, one day old baby and you give him a loving, nice environment, he's not going to turn into a member of Isis.
But if you bring all of Isis over here and then Isis just raises their kids, you just get Isis over here.
You get my point.
So, like it's not.
When you bring in small numbers of people, the pressure is like to assimilate, to fall in line, but when you bring in huge numbers of people, you end up with Minnesota.
They don't come over and assimilate, they come over and they do their own Somali thing here with our government.
You know what I mean.
And so like this really is the the the, the.
I think the fail, the failed logic of this mass, of this mass immigration, is that just because something works in small doses doesn't mean it can scale.
And so, even like when, when people would say oh, America is a country of immigrants, or something like that, it's like, yeah, to some degree we are.
That doesn't mean there's no limit to how many we can take in.
That doesn't mean that like, you know, like it's not deduced, it's almost like and and this is why I did that debate last year um, at the Soho Forum, because I just think this is an important topic to for libertarians particularly to get good on is that you, even if you want to say something right like like, in theory, if you were going to go like like, make the economic argument that freedom of of uh movement you know, goods and and labor labor,
all being able to cross borders is more economical, or something like that.
It's like, okay, but where, like, how about this?
Is there any theory other than like retarded leftism, egalitarian, everything is environmental down to even your gender or your species or whatever, how far you want to take the logic?
Aside from that retarded way of looking at the world, if we were to get, is there anything that tells you, let's say we were to bring in 10 million people from Canada, or we were to bring in 10 million people from Okinawa.
Are you telling me that's exactly the same?
There's no difference?
You know, like, why?
What would you deduce that from?
They're obviously like, they're different nations and different races and different religions and different cultures and different lots of things.
So I think it's reasonable to think it might be different without even making a value judgment, like better or worse.
Again, if you're taking in some people from like Sweden, or if you're taking in some people from war-torn Syria, I think there might be a difference.
And I will make a value judgment on that one.
I think one's worse.
And so like, you know, now we sit here.
And one of the things, and I think this is what's very frustrating to a lot of people like us, is that what you're seeing with like these ICE raids and just like how stupid and kind of cruel the whole thing is, is that you go like, well, this is the problem with a policy like mass migration.
You know, it's kind of different than any other policy because it's really, really hard to undo.
You know, like, what can you do now?
You know, you let 30, 40, 50 million people into the country illegally.
It's like, oh, shit.
Well, what are you going to do?
How the fuck are you going to get rid of that many people?
Essentially, you can't.
I mean, Trump can do.
So instead, what Trump can do is have this like performative cruelty without really dealing with the problem.
And anyway, listen, this shouldn't be something that Jews get blamed for because there's a lot of Jews who oppose this shit and there's a lot of non-Jews who are right there supporting it as well.
But those people who supported open borders for all of these years or those people who supported this mass migration policy, there's going to be backlash and resentment over that because it was a bad idea.
It was bad policy and the results have been pretty disastrous.
So you're going to get heat for that.
And if you want to have an honest conversation about that, then fine, let's do it.
But to just sit there and say, wow, it's racism.
It's conspiracy theories and racism.
Well, the thing is, right, Rob, like, as we just kind of showed you, if you if you just listen to what Miriam Adelson and her friend there are saying, that would sound like an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory if me or you just said it, right?
They would call that an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, except the Jews in question are saying it themselves and broadcasting it.
So like, again, like I've always said, like, you know, if you're talking about real deal Jew hatred, as me and you would define it, like normal people, like actually define it as hating a group of people or blaming members, blaming people for an immutable characteristic when they themselves are not guilty of anything.
Like, okay, if you want to have a conversation about the rise in Jew hatred, how the fuck do you ever put out that fire if you can't even start by having the conversation?
You can't even just actually talk about it and go, okay, well, this is the thing, and this is what people are fucking angry about.
And here's where they got a legitimate point.
Here's where they go a little bit too far.
But all the Sam Harris guys, all the Barry Weiss's, all the Miriam Adelsons, all the Mark Levins, all they want to do is just call you names.
Say, you're a racist.
You're a bigot.
It's like, all right, well, that's when was the last time that ever shut anyone up?