Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein dissect the "sick dynamic" of their debate with Israeli spokesperson Jonathan Cohen, mocking the anti-Israel group's inclusion of Rachel Riley and Bryce Mitchell while refuting false anti-Semitism claims. They critique acting FBI director Kash Patel's alleged jacket obsession as emblematic of Trump administration incompetence, contrasting it with Bongino's victimhood narrative regarding Epstein files and RussiaGate. The hosts analyze Alex Berenson's reporting on a preschooler's death in Moderna trials, arguing the pandemic shattered public trust more effectively than Iraq or the financial crisis by proving "follow the science" directives wrong, ultimately highlighting a mass awakening to government corruption despite institutional accountability failures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Anti-Semite Spokesman Nominated00:10:37
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Chaos, oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it was easy work.
I mean, it was a fun one, I guess.
I mean, it's just too, what's his name?
I'm blinking on the guy's name.
Jonathan Something.
He was a spokesman for the IDF.
So he's, and you know what ends up happening, man?
It's like, it's this weird thing because Piers Morgan.
So Pierce has been bringing me on his show for, I don't know how long now.
I think a couple years.
I do it pretty regularly.
And it's been, you know, it's a great show.
You know, for all the things, people like people trash Piers Morgan's show.
And sometimes he will have shit shows where it's easy to call him the Jerry Springer of politics or whatever.
But honestly, like the guy is the show's been a very important show.
And it's had at this point, like some really, you know, I think it's, it's probably moved the needle as much as any show because it may not be that it's up there with like the biggest shows, like it gets big views, but there's just like so many episodes of it.
So I've done it so many times, you know, and he likes having me on to debate the, you know, the Israel stuff, which I'm happy to do.
And it's this very weird feeling where, of course, because I've been doing so many of these debates over the last two years, it feels like it's kind of like a sick dynamic.
But like, so for example, the one with this one, two, I don't know if you saw this, Rob, because it's just, it's almost like impossible to keep up with this shit because it's just every day there's a new thing.
But so on Friday, the UN's Committee on Torture released this scathing report about the Israeli torture sites.
And basically they've just been, I mean, just torturing Palestinians to death more than usual over the last two years.
And then it's like, you know, like, so that comes out Friday.
Then Monday, I'm in a debate.
And you're almost like, oh my God, it's almost like the news is always just handing me more and more for my arsenal.
And I already have the debate one.
Like none of these guys have anything to say.
And then there's just more, but there's almost like this weird, sick dynamic where it's like, oh, you get handed like another, another great example to go win your debate, but it's at this awful human cost.
Anyway, so I'm debating this guy.
He's an Israeli who was a spokesman for the IDF for many years.
And, you know, he was, I guess, not like the worst debate opponent.
Like he admitted, he conceded a few things.
Like it started with Pierce asking if he if he would concede that it was kind of indefensible that Netanyahu was asking for a pardon.
You know what I mean?
Like it's like you're, and Pierce had a great line on it where he was just like, he goes, you're, you're like using an abuse of power to demand for a pardon because you're on trial for abuse of power.
Like it's just kind of and and the guy did go, yeah, okay, I can't really defend that.
So like, all right, I'll give him that.
But then at one point in the debate, and this is the thing that I've, I've, me and you have talked a lot about this, both on the show and privately.
They do this thing.
It's the thing Noam from the comedy seller does like all the time, where he like he's not, he doesn't just enter the conversation as like an equal with you.
Like me and you are here.
We have a difference of views.
Let's he kind of puts himself in the perch of like, I'm the judge of everybody.
And you're like, yeah, but nobody actually puts you there.
Like, but so at one point he goes to me, this is the IDF spokesman guy.
And I had gone off on a rant about a few different things.
And he goes, you know, the one part of what you said that I think is reasonable to have a debate about is the U.S. support for Israel.
He goes, that question I actually respect.
The rest, I don't.
And I just went, no one cares what you respect.
You're a spokesman for a terrorist organization.
And then he just, he just like almost, I don't know, he had this, he had this response to me.
I'm interested for you guys to watch it, but I, he just went off for like 30 seconds.
And I said, you might as well, you just said nothing.
I went, you might as well have just been quiet for 30 seconds because he just, when I said you're a spokesman for a terrorist organization, he was like, you sit in your comfortable office in New York City while we're out in the fight or blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, you're my welfare country.
Shut up, dude.
Like, I don't know.
So it was, it had some fun moments in it.
But like, again, the guy's just got nothing.
He's got nothing of substance.
And then at the end, he resorted to just being like, the reason everyone's mad at Israel is because of anti-Semitism.
Yeah, I guess so.
Well, they brought up, Pierce did bring up the, they did that, like, stop anti-Semitism group does their every year.
I guess they do their anti-Semites.
He was nominated this year.
He was on the corner.
Yeah.
I have never been nominated, which seems crazy.
Although, what do you have to do?
You put your work in this past year.
Who criticized Israel more than you?
Well, I got to say, Fuentes didn't get nominated either.
And that did in a weird way.
I don't know.
It's so weird.
It was like, you know, like if you were up for an Oscar, but there was like an amazing movie that didn't get nominated.
You're like, I guess the whole thing's bullshit.
I'm curious if Fuentes was nominated and then did an award ceremony for himself to receive the award.
That'd be pretty funny.
Well, it is, I don't know, man.
It's wild.
So, yeah, I saw it.
So Pierce pulls it up.
And I was curious if the guy could even defend it because he had just been talking about anti-Semitism.
He couldn't.
He didn't even try to.
But we all just said on there, like, first of all, there's three people on it who I know, like personally know.
So there's Tucker Carlson, Jank Uger, and Anna Kasparian.
The idea that any of them are Jew haters is just ridiculous.
It's just like, you, you, you could only, I don't know, in the same way that Larry Ellison was the black face of white supremacy or something like that.
Like only by the wokus definition of bigotry could you accuse any of those three.
I've never said anything about the Jews.
They're just their criticism was about Israel, the Israel lobby and wars of aggression.
You know, then they had, they actually put Miss Rachel on there, Rob.
Like you, it is amazing how bad these people are at the PR game.
Like that they don't even go, maybe we shouldn't be seen as viciously attacking Miss Rachel for the crime.
Like the lady who sings songs for three-year-olds.
That's for she's a Jew hater, Rob, for committing the crime of going, I sure do feel bad for these Palestinian three-year-olds.
That's what she's guilty of doing.
And she goes, man, you know, I think like I like, I make, you know, little kid programming because I really love little children.
And I think the Palestinian little children count just as much as all the rest of the children.
So they put her on a Jew hater.
Like, like, just imagine.
I mean, like, forget even how you feel about the war.
Just like how to win friends and influence people shit here, Rob.
Imagine thinking the move is to viciously attack that lady.
Well, I heard that Miss Rachel got the wrong Holocaust training.
And so she doesn't realize how anti-Semitic it is to attack Israel when they're killing kids.
Yes, that's right.
The Holocaust training might have messed her up.
The list was hilarious.
The other, the other two people who I just knew on the list were Bryce Mitchell.
Okay, he said some crazy shit.
Yeah, but I don't know that he's a noteworthy enough individual or northcast.
Lightweight contender.
Yes, there's a contender in the lightweight division of the UFC who said some wild shit.
Who, by the way, the earth is flat.
Yes.
Yes, he's been big on the earth is flat.
By the way, and I don't know Bryce Mitchell.
I've never met him, but for everything I've ever seen of Bryce Mitchell, he seems like a good dude who gets a little kooky with some of his theories or whatever.
But like, he doesn't like, he doesn't seem like a vicious like hater or something, but whatever.
And then there was another guy, the guy's name is Guy.
I'm blanking on his last name, but he's like, from what I know, I think he's like a real, like he's like a 20-year-old streamer or something like that, who's a real lefty.
I just know, I know I had one interaction with him ever on Twitter where he like tweeted something at me and he was like, he was like, Dave, you're so good on the Israel issue, but you really got to take another look at socialism.
And then I just wrote back, no, like we're just with like an N and then as many O's as they would let me put in.
But you know, like I do remember the only reason I remember it stuck in my mind because I was almost like, oh, maybe I should, you know, like there's something just about like, if there's like a, like a, um, a streamer or someone who's like in their 20s who's into socialism, but is like good on war and appreciates that I'm good on war, that does make me kind of want to talk to that person.
So I remember just like, almost like making a note in my head, like, I'd love to talk to this kid because like he thinks I need to look into more socialism, but actually, young man, like you're fucking, you're a guy in your 20s talking to a guy in your 40s who's looked into it more than any of you have.
And like, no, actually, you need to look into the other side of it.
But like almost like, like, as always with a 20 something year old, you're always like in a friendly way.
I'd want to be like, well, look, dude, here, there's other ideas you haven't considered.
But so I don't know anything else about the kid, but like you already know he's just anti-Israel and not actually like a Jew hater.
Like it's just, it's, it's anyway, it is too goddamn ridiculous.
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It's amazing.
Like watching, I do feel like there are these waves, you know?
And perhaps this is somewhat me forcing things into my worldview, but I don't think so.
But you know, like it was like during the rise of Trump and like the rise of crazy wokeism and then during COVID.
And then like there would just be these things where you remember we would look around and go like, why is everyone insisting on humiliating themselves?
Like it does just seem like a ritual almost at the end of the day.
Like you're all just publicly human.
And at this point, the Zionists are so there.
I mean, they're just, they've been engaged in it for years now.
Very strange.
Very strange.
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And speaking of, oh, I did, I wanted to play this up top, Rob, because I just thought this was too.
Do we know?
By the way, did they bracket it?
Like, is it like the Sweet 16 where they go head to head and then we end up with the champion anti-Semite?
How does that?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know who's verifying these elections or like who's overseeing them, what the criteria is.
We really should, we should demand transparency in this process.
Also, they left Candace off.
They left Candace off this year.
And she's, I mean, the number one podcast.
She's putting in work.
No, but I did want to say on the theme of public figures and politicians humiliating themselves, man, this administration, it is just so the timing of this, Rob, could not be better, right?
And I do believe if I've got this right, I think that this interview actually happened like the day before, but I don't know if you saw, there was this, this New York Post really damning expose on Kash Patel's FBI, which, you know, look, you know how it is, Rob, with these, these type of reports where you're getting, you know, insider information, often anonymous sources.
You never know exactly how much credit to give it.
The New York Post is not exactly a hostile paper toward the Trump administration.
You know what I mean?
It's not like, oh, this is MSNBC whose goal is clearly to make Donald Trump look bad.
But the picture they paint is something that does seem to be, you know, like just a really incompetent administration.
And that Kash Patel, I don't know, did you see the thing about how he was waiting for an FBI jacket in Utah?
Sorry, go ahead.
I don't know.
Just explain it if you want to comment on it so people know who I'm saying.
Okay, so full transparency.
I don't know that I fully absorbed the whole article, but I was cracking up over the jacket incident, which was essentially after the Charlie Kirk shooting, I believe it was.
They take a plane out there and he refuses to get off the plane until someone gives him one of those FBI ray jackets because he wants to look cool and it needs to be in the right size.
It needs to be a medium.
And they find him the jacket and he refuses it because it doesn't also have like the side sleeves.
So they make him.
And it was a ladies' jacket, evidently.
They got it.
It had to be a medium.
So they got it off one of their ladies.
And so they had to go get him the side sleeves.
And I actually wondered if I was doing life wrong because I hear about a guy nervous about his jacket and I'm like, how gay is this, dude?
Just go do the job.
Like, do you really, is it there?
You know what I mean?
That almost sounds like what was the pinky, whatever.
My references are off this morning.
That sounds like Inspector Clusso type shit, where you can't do your job unless you've got the right outfit for the cameras.
I just thought that it was so cartoonish that this hard ass FBI guy refuses because he knows he's going to be in front of television cameras and has to make sure that he has his look right.
And it just speaks to the extent that this is all just television to these people.
Well, yes, it speaks to the theater of it all.
And it's also just a hilarious, you know, like story that's very unflattering for Kash Patel.
But there was also just like damning quotes in there about people are like, this guy is really just like over his head, and that the whole department is just like being, you know, mismanaged.
Someone should just do a sketch of him yelling at his makeup crew, just like cash behind the scenes being followed around, powdered, and lipstick.
And I got to look like more like an American, bro.
Got to make me look more American.
Well, I mean, the thing is that the Trump administration, looking starting with Donald Trump, right?
It comes, it comes all the way down from the top.
And everybody knew this going into Donald Trump's first presidential campaign.
But Donald Trump is the only president in the history of the United States of America, which is like, okay, not the oldest country in the world, but actually a pretty old country, given, you know, if you want to consider that it's under the same current system, which it's not really.
There's been several revolutions.
They're just, we never admitted it.
But the United States of America in its entire history never had a president who had no political or military experience.
That's just never happened, right?
Like George Washington, the first president, was a general in the army.
And all the way down, everybody had political, at least political or military experience, right?
Like I think, I think Dwight D. Eisenhower had no political experience, but he was a five-star general who led the Allies to victory in World War II.
So like, okay, that's a pretty big deal.
And Donald Trump's the first one ever who had none of those, had none of that.
Now, this was something that they tried to knock him with in 2016.
But the reason why that was completely ineffective is because Donald Trump was like, well, yeah, but I'm here to drain the whole swamp.
You guys are all incompetent criminals.
And so you all have the experience.
And look, Hillary Clinton's had 30 years of experience.
And what has she done in those 30 years?
Nothing good.
So what do you want?
I'm a rich guy.
I know how to run a company and I don't need any of your money.
So I'm outside of this system and I'm here to drain the swamp.
And so that was more than a good enough pitch to overcome, like in the same sense, right?
That someone like Douglas Murray could look at me and say, you're just a comedian who doesn't have like real experience.
You don't have fancy degrees and you haven't been on, you know, IDF embedded tours or whatever.
And like there is like, it's not that there's nothing reasonable to that.
Like, yes, it is kind of ridiculous that this falls to me to be the one to go.
Yes, it's kind of crazy that the comedian from Legion of Skanks is the one here doing it.
But the fact is, Douglas Murray, you've been wrong about the last seven major crises and I've been right about them.
And so, you know what?
Yeah, I'm actually here beating you now.
However, the thing with Donald Trump is that what covered that up was I'm here to drain the swamp.
But he's not.
He's not even here to drain the swamp.
And so what you just get is the incompetence without any of the good part.
Like, and so this is again, essentially, this is what we're seeing from the Justice Department, the FBI, the entire Trump administration.
We liked the fact that you brought in outsiders like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Bobby Kennedy or any of this.
Because like, hey, if we're doing this to drain the swamp, if we're doing this to hold the COVID criminals accountable, hold the Russiagate criminals accountable, hold the Epstein criminals accountable, then fuck experience.
Let's get some outsiders in there and give that a shot.
But once we're not doing any of that, now you just get the inexperience.
And so it's, it's, it's like a microcosm of the entire Trump administration.
But dude, Rob, this video I just found so in the middle of all of this, right?
As this ex was again, it might have been the day before it was put out, but as this piece is being run in the post and as Trump's approval ratings are crashing and as the um the this justice department is just viewed as more and more of a joke, Dan Bongino takes to the air to give his defense of Kash Patel and Donald Trump's FBI.
And it it is it is to be seen to be believed.
Let's watch it.
I mean, I gave up everything for this.
I mean, you know, my wife is struggling.
I'm not a victim.
I'm not Jim Coleman.
It's fine.
I did this and I'm proud I did it.
But if you think we're there for tea and crumpets, well, I mean, Cash is there all day.
We share our offices are linked.
He turns on the faucet.
I hear it.
He's there at, he gets in at like six o'clock in the morning.
He doesn't leave till seven at night.
You know, I'm in there at 7:30 in the morning.
I, you know, he uses the gym.
I work out in my apartment, but I stare at these four walls all day in DC, you know, by myself, divorced from my wife.
Not divorced, but I mean, separated, divorced.
And it's hard.
I mean, you know, we love each other and it's hard to be apart.
But you're doing some great work.
You're turning out at the FBI and you moving buildings.
There's a lot of change.
I just, I got one more thing.
I mean, I gave up everything for this.
I mean, okay, let's.
All right, Rob, let me give me a second on this one.
Shit.
Dude, I apologize.
I walk back all my criticism of this FBI.
I mean, I, you know, I was really mad that you guys were covering up for pedophiles, but I was just assuming you slept till noon.
But now that I find out that Dan Pagino is getting to work at 7:30, Rob, not 7:45, 7:30.
And get this, he doesn't get to bring his wife with him.
She does not get to go with him to his job, which he's got to be at.
Rob, let me remind you one more time.
7:30 in the morning.
Yeah, this guy wakes up in the morning, Rob, and he goes to a room where he's got to work all day.
Kash Patel is putting in full days of work every day.
Now, you might be saying to yourself, Rob, that sounds a lot like being an adult.
That just sounds like you're describing what every single adult with the job does is that they divorce their wife.
He used the word divorced and then corrected him and then used the word separated.
And what he meant to say was that his wife doesn't come to work with him.
I mean, I guess, I don't know.
Rob, when I travel the country, I'm away from my wife quite a bit.
I don't even have her in here with me right now.
We are divorced from each other right now.
She's up two floors above me right now.
Separated, literally, we're separated by a floor, at least floor and a half.
I mean, dude, just imagine this ever comes out of your mouth, Rob.
Like you're sitting there and you're defending your own FBI.
By the way, think about it.
You already know you're in trouble when you're defending the Trump Justice Department on Fox and Friends, right?
Like you're not on Fox and Friends to take victory laps and talk about how great everything is.
The best the host can do is go, hi, you guys are moving buildings.
You're doing things.
Yeah, big things are happening.
It's a completely friendly show.
Everyone's there to just try to get you over.
The audience is 75-year-old Republican.
They just want to support whatever the Trump administration is doing.
And yet you still have to be defending yourself because everyone's recognizing you for the joke that you are.
And you start by the personal sacrifice that you've had to make.
And that sacrifice includes getting to work at a reasonable hour.
I'm sorry, is 7.30 even that early to like be at the job?
Like, I guess it's a little on the early.
Like, what are we even talking about here?
And then, you're the personal struggles.
I mean, I'm not a victim here.
I'm not a victim, but let me talk about all the sacrifices I've made.
Dude, what are the results?
Like, this is it's just so insane.
You guys ran on releasing the Epstein files, then pivoted to there's no such thing, then pivoted back to releasing them.
And you just did.
You got caught lying six different times in this whole thing.
And then you said that as you've been, Dan Bongino, you've been on a four-year-long podcast tour talking about fucking Russia gate and all those criminals.
Now you got a director of national intelligence who confirms it.
You got the FBI director who also says it's true.
Where are you on that?
What are you doing when you go to work at 7:30 in the morning every day?
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I don't know.
Go ahead, Rob.
I thought it was too crazy.
I thought this was an AI video when I first saw it.
Well, if you're ever thinking about running for office again, just remember it's a lot better just talking shit online.
I don't think I've ever seen a more broken man.
Just, no, I'm working hard and my wife hates me and we're separated.
And here's other details about my life falling apart that I shouldn't say.
No, actually, it's all good.
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We're still together, but I have to hear Kash Patel run a sink.
That guy showers in it.
He's Indian.
I can't listen to this anymore.
I do remember, which I know I've brought this up before, but I thought this was like an interesting moment when Tucker said to me that he said to me that he had me on the show like right after the Douglas Murray debate.
And he said to me, he goes, I mean, he goes, dude, Douglas Murray just ruined his career.
And I corrected him and I went, no, he didn't.
I go, Douglas Murray ruined his reputation.
It's a different thing.
And I know you've made this point before that it's like, look, dude, like all these guys that they get in government, there's something cushy waiting for them afterward if they play ball.
And so what happened is that, you know, actually from our perspective, we may think like, oh, it's kind of cushy to be like a real popular podcaster, but like, actually, there's very high, there's much higher levels of cushiness that it turns out than what me and you do.
And so in a sense, right, like in the same way, Douglas Murray didn't ruin his career.
Douglas Murray will have a career.
And in fact, Douglas Murray will be making lots of money.
I think he was, we already know he's writing speeches for the Israeli government.
I think he was getting USAID money too.
I believe that got revealed at some point.
He's getting, he's going to have Zionists and bankers and, you know, weapons companies.
They'll find something for him.
He won't be respected amongst the people the way he used to, though.
And you do see in some of these guys where they're still human beings.
And on some level, that does irk them.
It does irk Sam Harris and Douglas Murray and guys like this that like years ago, their name carried some weight amongst right-wing audiences and now they're a laughing stock.
And I think what you're getting at there is like, that's what we're watching with Dan Bongino.
It's like you made, look, it's a calculation.
And to be completely fair here, it's a calculation that we do not know all of the factors in.
Like part of the calculation might be, I think people I love are going to get killed if I don't do this.
You know, like we don't, we don't know.
Obviously, I'm just guessing.
I'm just speculating, but I'm not even guessing.
I'm just saying we don't know what the actual calculation is.
But we do know that the calculation has been made to through his own action destroy his reputation.
Like Dan Bongino, whatever he does next after this, it's not going to be going back to having a huge, relevant podcast.
It's just not.
Like there's just, you just can't get in there and just do nothing but sit next to your bug-eyed FBI director as you both say, he killed himself, guys.
All those cameras malfunctioned.
Everything I've been saying for the last few years has been bullshit.
Any follow-up?
No, no follow-up.
No follow-up questions on that.
That's all I have to say is trust me.
Let me add in.
I'm not saying trust me, but trust me.
You know, same, like the same way they go, I'm not saying I'm the victim, but I got to be up at 7:30 every morning and I'm away from my wife, which is really hard.
It's really hard when you're in love.
It's really hard.
Like, I don't know.
You know, there's like, the truth is, dude, that Dan Bongino, you're a fucking government employee.
That's what you are.
There's, there's men all over this country who work a hell of a lot harder than you do.
And they're all away from their wives and they all got to be there at 7:30 or something like that.
Like, it's just, it's an outrage that you'd look at, dude.
There's, there's fucking right now, and in my, up my road, there's men working on power lines right there.
They've been working all day.
I saw them this morning when I went to drop my kids off.
They were already up there working.
This was, this was around 7:45, Rob, and it didn't look like they had just gotten there.
So I think they might have been there from before 7:30.
And they're going to still be working there in hours.
There's people all over this country by the tens of millions who do much tougher work than you.
And you're sitting here, you're the second in command at the FBI as it is failing on its mandate, on its mandate that it had from the American people.
And as it's failing, you're what?
You're playing the victim role and that's what you got that you have to go to work and you can't bring your wife with you.
I mean, like, what do you want me to say?
I know, like, Rob, I get this all the time because if you remember back, dude, when I, when I first announced that I was going to support Donald Trump in this election, man, dude, the Trump people were so happy.
And like, it was in the middle of, you know, this was like at the height of election season and everyone's just in their election mode.
And they're like, fuck, yeah, Dave Smith's on board.
Yes, we got this coalition.
Rogan endorsed him and Rogan's guys are endorsing him and we got this whole thing.
And I see some of these guys now, they'll be giving me a hard time.
They'll be like, oh, Dave, you're just so, so much Trump hate.
Like, come on, dude, like, believe in the plan or something.
Or like, what do you guys want from me?
What are we supposed to, what are me and Rob supposed to do here?
Look at this and tell you, yeah, that was reasonable.
Get off his back.
I don't know, Rob.
Any other thoughts?
Yeah, it really looks like you're watching a man fall apart.
And the fact that the host had to smooth it over with the, oh, no, no, you got a new building.
It's all great.
It's wonderful.
It's like when friend shows up at the bar too drunk and they're crying.
And so you just kind of brush it over.
No, no, you're fine.
New things are coming.
All right, we're going to the other bar.
See you later, Ted.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, speaking of, I guess the transition here to this next story, because I do want to talk about this.
I mean, I guess there's two stories here.
And we should kind of address both of them, but they're on a similar topic.
But I guess the through line here would be things the FBI could be doing if they actually gave a shit about training the swamp or anything like that.
But it does seem to me.
So there's, look, I gave I gave him some credit publicly for this today, and he did show some appreciation for that.
So me and Alex Berenson, probably not going to be going out grabbing cocktails anytime soon, but I will, I got to give him credit where he gets it.
And I try my best to always like, well, I don't know.
I guess honestly, there were two moments on podcasts that I had that kind of got that kind of struck a nerve with me that had an impact on me.
One was with Daryl Cooper.
And this was all on it.
This was on the show where Daryl Cooper said, he said, he gave like a big, like he had a, he had a thing about his Christian, his Christianity and his thing about like forgiving people who you hate and forgiving people who even do like really horrible things, which is like, I will say, Rob, to me and you, both Jewish, you know, ethnically, and you were raised religious and stuff.
And that, that is a Christian thing that is a little bit outside of my culture.
Like I'm a New York City guy.
I never really like got the idea of like forgiving the people you hate.
I just have much more of a like, no, fuck that guy, like attitude, you know, like I'm a little, but there was like the way Daryl put it really did hit home with me.
And there was something really beautiful about it.
And it was kind of like, you know, that just in the spirit of like, there is something, there's definitely something powerful about that Christian insight that like hating somebody else kind of corrupts you too in in a weird way.
Um, and then there was Tucker Carlson had a round, which actually when he was on the show, which actually led to me giving Alex Berenson some credit because he was just kind of talking about how like, hey, look, we can have lots of different views about lots of different things, but if you're just like for the country and you're kind of for the broadest America first idea, let's debate those other ideas and let's not be enemies.
And he was even saying like, hey, I don't have to be enemies with you, Ben Shapiro.
Like, I don't really care about Israel that much, you know?
I just want what's best for my country.
If that's your cause, like, whatever.
Like, and, and so, I did, I did in the spirit of that be like, hey, you know what?
Despite whatever disagreements we may have had, and I still think he conducted himself in a pretty embarrassing way.
Alex Berenson was really, really great on an issue when it really, really mattered.
And that's more than a lot of people can say.
No one, no one can ever take that away from him.
Well, I got to admit, this story that he just broke is unbelievable.
And it is like, if you're a finer Christian than I am, because I saw the headline from him and I emailed my friend Stephen, the Wonderboy non-scientist, because there were two COVID storylines this past.
Yes, yes, there was the that's right.
And I want to get to both of them.
Yes.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Explain what they are.
Yeah.
And the FDA admitting to 10 related COVID deaths.
Yes.
But when I saw the Alex Berenson one, I emailed him.
I was like, can you find this?
Can you verify this and find it from another source?
Because I don't want to read his article or quote him on the show.
So you're a nicer Christian than I am, my friend.
Whereas I'm at a point now where I loved him during COVID, but I just find him suspect.
Well, look, I get that.
And I'm certainly, I'm not making any excuses for him.
I mean, he's obviously I was the target of it, but he conducted himself in the manner that he did.
And he's got to deal with people, you know, feeling how they feel about that.
But he is the one who broke this story as far as I can tell.
And for, and look, like, I'll give this the caveat of like, if someone can point out why he's wrong about this, then fine.
But to be very clear here, because I did see some people who were conflating the two stories.
So, right, as you said, the FDA admitted to 10 deaths, right?
This is not one of those deaths.
This is a separate story from that.
And in fact, Alex had to point out, this is not one of those deaths.
Essentially, what they found was that there was a, I guess, like a European database that Moderna had recorded this with, but then they had not with any of the Americans.
But there was a child who died during the testing of the Moderna COVID jab.
And this has been completely covered up.
Now, if that is true, which it seems to be, this is an outrage of a story, man, because this means that it was, and look, people will say, and this is always true with vaccine injuries, right?
It's you almost never have like 100% proof that the vaccine is what caused the injury.
Quite often, it's the most reasonable guess, but that has nothing to do with any of this because this was during trials.
The whole point is that's what you're looking for.
And if it's the case that a kid died in the Moderna trials, well, then that means that from the very beginning, when they were saying this thing is safe and effective, they knew they were full of shit and knew that it was a risk for kids way past the point where we knew that COVID was not a risk for kids at all.
So it absolutely like destroys the whole case for prescribing these mRNA shots to children.
And also, I mean, it's just like an actual child died and it seems very likely that this was the cause of it.
I mean, this is like, Rob, this was, this is the type of thing that as you well remember, when this was happening, we wouldn't have been able to cover this on YouTube.
To make this claim would have gotten our whole channel banned.
You had to speak very like vaguely about these things for a little while there.
And in fact, you on your channel, you got in some real heat and got strikes over this type of stuff.
I mean, not too different from this, but one of the things I definitely got a strike for was reading the Pfizer preprint or the early study, which included that there were 14 deaths in the vaccinated group versus just 13 deaths in the unvaccinated.
And those were unrelated to the vaccine.
But just if you were trying to point to something as being life-saving, how can there be more deaths in the group that died from it?
There were also major problems with the childhood study that they like ended up doing a three-shot regimen and like no one made it to the end.
I don't remember the specifics on that.
On this Moderna one, I believe the company claims, and I just, this is from Twitter Gronk.
And, you know, I got so much of COVID right.
I'm a little reluctant to dive into these stories.
Like I read the Alex Barrens thing, but it was like a quick breeze.
So I can't, I can't really affirm or debunk it.
I think Moderna does claim that this was unrelated to the vaccine, but and they just didn't want like the questioning of it.
But it's still, it's still not a great look if you've got a death in the camp of people who are vaccinated.
And certainly speaks to the censorship that happened during that time that no one was digging into this stuff or the fact that they clearly pulled some shady moves that this data wouldn't be available at the important time.
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Yeah, I mean, there's it, the real um criminality here comes in in them not reporting this, right?
But look, from reading from Alex Berenson's piece here, it's a preschool-aged child died of cardiorespiratory arrest after getting the booster shot of Moderna's mRNA COVID vaccine in the company's main clinical trial.
So, you know, there was a lot made of these clinical trials.
You have a preschool-aged child dying of cardio-respiratory arrest after getting the jab.
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I mean, look, I'm not a doctor, but that at the very least raises some serious questions.
That's pretty rare that that happens to a preschooler.
Um, it also, I mean, raises questions about like who the hell, who the hell voluntarily experiments on their preschooler like this.
I mean, I just can't, you know, I have a preschooler.
I just, I just cannot imagine that.
I really cannot.
Um, you know, there's something kind of uh like Randian, um, I said like Ian, Ayn Rand, um, who was uh, really was a brilliant philosopher, although, you know, she was a little bit of a nut herself, but she was, she was a brilliant, uh, and important person.
But, you know, like she would, and she would speak in absolutes about these things when I don't think they exactly are.
I don't think it is that black and white.
She was very black and white, although she was very brilliant.
Um, but she would talk about like the um you know, the the like one of her central ideas was that um the um the that that what's the word I'm looking for?
Ah, that's a bad uh uh but her idea was that selfishness was a virtue and that um what's the word I'm looking for?
Altruism was like the greatest vice.
Like there's there's nothing worse than altruism.
Now, she, I think she kind of forced a different definition of those words in there, but there was definitely there's definitely a really brilliant insight to the idea of like sacrificing for yourself or your own for someone else can be thought of as a noble thing, but when you really think about it, like true altruism can actually be very evil.
So, like, in other words, if I'm like, uh, like if I, if I, let's say I want to do something nice for my wife, like I want to buy my wife flowers or something like that, you go like, okay, but you know, that is still my wife, right?
And like, I'm kind of going to benefit from her being pleased with me or her, you know what I mean?
Like, like, so if I really wanted to be altruistic, I would just buy someone else's wife flowers.
But then right away, don't you see that?
And you go, yeah, but that's kind of actually kind of wrong.
Like before you got your own wife flowers, you're getting someone else's wife flowers or like protecting someone else's kids before you protected your own kids.
But anyway, I guess that the idea of like, I'm going to experiment on my children for some greater good is like you could tell yourself a story to make yourself feel like you're the good guy there.
Relitigating Five Years Later00:05:57
But I just, I don't know, Rob, isn't that like the most evil thing you could do?
Who would like, especially when they were of like, there was no real risk to them with COVID?
I just can't, I can't imagine ever like increasing any risk of anything to my kids' health in service of some greater abstract, you know, idea of the common good or something like that.
Very, very bizarre.
People were really hooklined and sinkered on what was going on during COVID.
And I'm sure that the doctors had explained all the safety to them before that and figured everyone was going to get it.
And they were making their contribution to society and had a lot of faith in Fauci, our government, and thought that they were getting the early access to make their child safe, which is tragic that there was so much bad information at that time that people were led to believe that they were contributing to society by not living their life and just staying in their apartments and rotting.
And this would be the most extreme example of somebody going, oh, how lucky I am that I'm able to get my child vaccinated early.
Yeah.
No, that's, well, it is something.
And, you know, I, you know, this, look, obviously, like this was, this was our main issue for years.
And it's, you know, five years ago now.
Well, I guess more than five years ago, right?
That this started.
And I guess it's about five years ago that the clinical trials began, right?
Or no, I guess less than five years ago, but still almost five years ago.
And, you know, while while a lot of the craziness has died down, it is, we are in a very real way living in the post-COVID world.
And I think a lot of the American political landscape is still shaped by COVID.
You know, as I've said before on the show, I think that while I think it always would have been a bullshit non-argument appeal to authority, I think the fact that like the biggest knock on me over the last year has been that, you know, you're not an expert or you've never been or you're just a comedian or all this.
I go, I think that just, even though it always would have been a bullshit non-argument, I think that COVID is a big part of the reason why no one's even listening to that argument anymore.
Well, you just get dismissed.
Like, shut up.
We just went through three years of trust the experts and the experts got everything wrong or the experts you deemed were the experts, whatever.
But to your point, I do think something that, you know, and I know I know you've made this point before.
I know I've made this point before, but there is something where like, you know, in memory in general, certain things end up fading away and then other things stay.
And this is true with our conception of history too.
You know, you forget about certain parts and you remember other things.
And one of the things people, it's like since essentially guys like me and you won the day and we got vindicated and, you know, like we were never the ones asking, you know, remember there was that article afterward asking for like forgiveness or whatever.
What did they say?
Immunity for that.
Like we're not the ones asking for that because we'll stand by our track record through the whole thing.
We won the debates.
We got the things right.
Others had to admit they were wrong.
And, you know, like by the time, by the time I went in to debate Chris Cuomo, right?
So was that in 2023?
By the time I was debating him, like the entire audience, the entire internet audience already agreed that with me on COVID.
You know, like it was everybody was already like, yeah, lockdowns were a mistake.
The vaccine is bullshit, all of that.
But it does, like, people do forget, Rob, at the beginning there, it wasn't like that, man.
It was not like that.
People bought into the COVID hysteria across this nation in an insane way.
I mean, lots of people, like people didn't see their family members, didn't have them over for holidays, like did crazy things.
And I do think the impact of COVID, one way to measure it is like how impossible it would be for them to get the whole country to buy into propaganda like that again right now.
Now, I think COVID did more to shatter the propaganda apparatus than anything else.
Even the thing, even weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and stuff like that, even the financial crisis, nothing really shattered it like COVID because COVID touched everybody's life.
And they, and, and it made such like the COVID propagandists made such clear declarative statements, you know, that were all based on follow the science and six feet apart and masks save lives and you can't get COVID or transmitted if you get the vaccine.
And you can't, it was like these clear statements, you know, the lab league theory is racist.
All of them turned out to be wrong.
Just like every last one of them, none of them can even defend them anymore.
And it is amazing to have people buy into something so big, have the whole thing collapse in such a relatively short amount of time.
Because like even now, as I'm talking about it, we're five years over, but I'm saying two years ago when I debated Cuomo, we were already there.
It was, it was from March of, in March of 2020 to, you know, 2022, the whole thing had fallen apart in terms of like people, like they were still going for a while with the policies, but no one was buying into it anymore.
It really is something that we just lived through.
Collapsing Propaganda Incentives00:06:24
Yeah.
Well, it's nice to see some articles coming out and maybe this will get some public fury to finally relitigate some of this stuff.
The FDA story is not, you know, because that's working off theirs, which I think people assume has underreporting.
But now that they're finally admitting that some people did die from the vax, you know, it's a starting point.
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You know, I will say one thing that I did.
I was kind of encouraged by this in a way, but I've just, I've noticed this just because, look, again, I'm trying to, the story is what matters here.
And the reason, look, the reason why I'm able to give Alex Berenson credit on this is because like, at the end of the day, like, I, I do, I have an ego, you know, just like everybody else and maybe a little bit worse than most other people.
And, you know, it's something I'm aware of.
And I think it's something whenever you're on shows like this, you always have to try to be aware of.
But I do just care a lot more about the actual issue than I care about whatever dumb beef I have with Alex Berenson.
Like it's just, it's more, what's actually the, the actual issue is much more important than either of our lives are.
But I did find this really, really interesting that so because I've, because Alex Berenson's kind of been talking shit about me, you know, I've just kind of paid attention a little bit to his Twitter account.
And I'll tell you this, right?
Like there's, well, there's a lot of people when they talk about kind of this, the new media landscape and they'll talk about all the flaws, like there's conspiracy theorists out there and there's audience capture and there's clickbait or whatever.
And like all those things are real.
They do exist.
But what I found kind of interesting is, so Alex Berenson has, he's got like, you know, like, I think between 500 and 600,000 Twitter followers.
Every time with his like Israel takes and when he was coming at me and all this shit, he's getting like no positive interaction.
Like he's just, he was getting ratioed without me even like just he'd post something and it would get ratioed.
And then I was kind of like, oh, look, all his followers are just over him.
Like he doesn't even have a base of support anymore.
But this thing I saw, it's got like 60,000 likes and 2.1 million views on his tweet about this article.
It's blowing up.
And so like, I don't know, personally, from my perspective, I look at this and go like, oh, there actually is a pretty good incentive structure here, even in this wild west of the new media world.
We're like, hey, dude, like do good work like this.
And like it will, it is blowing up.
So like this is a really important story.
It's, it's objectively good journalism.
Fuck yeah, dude.
Look at that.
Maybe you should follow some of these incentives a little bit more.
I mean, geez, obviously, from my perspective, I'm saying I think the audience is largely correct about this.
But anyway, to your point of hoping this story does spread, it does seem like it's at least getting some traction.
And I don't know, you know, it's, it's, it's like it all, it's like it always is with these things.
The, are the powerful actually going to be held accountable because this story gets traction?
Probably not.
You know, if, if you have a short time horizon, otherwise known as a high time preference for justice or something like that, then you're, you're probably not going to be thrilled with the results of this.
But I do see, I see a broader trend.
And I've seen this, you know, since we've, since me and you have been doing this show together, Rob, we've been podcasting together for like almost a decade now.
And if you think about the level of trust in institutions over this last 10 years, I mean, like, oh, it's evaporated.
And all of these, it's death by a thousand paper cuts, you know, like all of these stories play a role in there and then some more than others.
But I just think I do look at that and go, oh, I do think like something big is happening as a result of this.
It is leading to like a mass awakening of how corrupt the regime that we've been living under is.
And this is another great example of that.
Well, yeah, nothing's more in your face than having been completely compliant with COVID and realizing how much you gave for absolutely no reason.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's not, it's, we all had to sacrifice for COVID, you know, a lot of these other government policies, they just, you know, you blow up a wedding in Yemen.
I mean, that sure does suck if you were getting married in Yemen that day.
But really, for the rest of us, it's an abstract idea, even those of us who are like outraged by it.
But COVID, you're thinking almost everyone is at least thinking about their life and like what they had to sacrifice for COVID.
It's just a different dynamic.
It affected the whole country.
You know, you lock down a whole country and there's going to be some ramifications for that.
Imagine what a wild idea.
All right, guys, we do, we do have to wrap up.
Wrapping Up the Road00:00:54
We'll go a little bit long tomorrow.
I apologize, but we got a late start today, but we got to wrap up there.
Thank you guys so much, as always, for tuning in.
Robbie the Fire Bernstein, you got a couple more gigs before the end of the year, if I'm right.
That's right.
Go to robbernsteincomedy.com.
I got a run of shows coming up in Colorado, two at Steamboat and one in Denver, closing out the year with Sam Tripoli.
And then, of course, check out the Run Your Mouth podcast.
Hopefully going to have Steven on this week and delve in and get some more of the deets on these two COVID storylines.
So go check that out.
Absolutely.
Very much.
I'm looking forward to that.
And then, of course, come next year, January, me and Rob will be back out on the road for the whole year.
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