Louie reflects on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a personal friend whose murder during a university debate represents a fundamental moral failure in society. Despite political disagreements, Louie condemns the cold-blooded violence and rejects baseless conspiracy theories linking the attack to Israel or celebrating the death on social media. He contrasts the mature grief shown by figures like Nick Fuentes with the dangerous escalation of anger and self-pity, urging listeners to avoid radicalization and focus on finding truth rather than fueling culture wars. Ultimately, the tragedy serves as a stark warning against letting societal divisions override basic humanity. [Automatically generated summary]
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A Wild and Disturbing Day00:10:48
Hey, what's up?
What's up, guys?
Thanks for watching.
I appreciate it.
This has been a wild, wild day.
And, you know, I guess almost 24 hours, a little less than 24 hours now.
So if you guys, some of you guys may have noticed.
So we recorded an episode yesterday.
And, you know, like the way we typically do it is we record, we go live to the website, partoftheproblem.com.
And then the episode comes out that night, like on YouTube and across all over other platforms.
And I just texted Natalie yesterday after this all went down just to not post the episode.
It seemed too like crazy and kind of wrong to post an episode that wasn't addressing what had just happened, which is really quite something.
I'm, I just, I, you know, forgive me on this one.
I don't, I don't know how long this episode is going to be.
I'm just going to kind of talk and give my thoughts on this.
I'm not really sure how much time that'll end up taking up, but I'll just kind of say what I have to say.
I'm going to try my best to kind of give my thoughts on what is a an enormous event, like culturally and politically.
But it's, I, you know, I got to just admit off the top here that I'm really rattled by this.
I mean, really, this really fucked me up.
And, you know, I was, I was literally just tweeting that I'm going to go do an episode now and it'll be out soon.
And I just wrote, you know, I'll be giving my thoughts on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
And even writing it was just a, you know, I don't know.
It's so, it's weird because that does not feel real, man.
Like none of this feels real to me.
It's just really, it's hard to describe.
And of course, it's, you know, it's a bit of a, um, it's a bit of a challenge to like try to analyze something and break it down and give your thoughts on it while when you're personally kind of rattled by the whole situation.
So, but I'll try.
And, you know, maybe I would start by saying this because I bet, you know, it's, it's like, I'm talking about my perspective on it, but I bet this is the truth for a lot of people listening.
You know, I get all the time I get people who like when I meet people, like after comedy shows or just out like in life and I'll, you know, meet people who are who are fans of the show.
And one of the things that I hear people say all the time, which it's a funny thing.
And I mean, I get this so much, but people will come up to me and they'll be like, Louie, this is kind of weird because like I feel like I know you, you know, and that's you, you know, so like, what I always say to them when they say that is like, well, yeah, you do.
You know, people ask me all the time.
Another question I get all the time is people will just say like, what's what's Joe Rogan really like?
Or what's Tucker Carlson really like?
I always say to them, you already know, you know, you already know who they are.
So it's like when people come up and go, oh, I feel like I know you, I often tell them that I know exactly how you feel because like I've met people whose shows I listened to for many years and I felt like I knew them.
And in many cases, then I got to actually know them.
And I realized I did know them.
I did know them the whole time.
Cause you get to know somebody, especially when people aren't being duplicitous.
Like you get to know somebody if you listen to them for hours and hours and hours.
And so, you know, like somebody who's listened to like, you know, a thousand episodes of this show does know me at least pretty well, you know?
Um, anyway, I say all of that to say that, like, you know, I'm kind of affected by this because like I know Charlie.
I knew Charlie.
I was just with him.
It's a really fucking weird feeling.
It's a weird thing to see someone you just know get, you know, just like murdered in cold blood.
like that.
And, but anyway, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I think for a lot of you, it's kind of the same feeling.
Like it is someone you know.
Anyway, it's for, you know, on the last episode, I was talking about how jarring and that the video of the Charlotte stabbing was and how much I was affected by it.
And I really meant that.
And I did not realize I was going to get off that show and be even, you know, substantially more jarred by another disturbing video.
But I don't know.
I mean, of course, it's partially because, you know, I was just with the guy like not that long ago.
We were just hanging out.
And, you know, it's someone you know.
It's also someone who does, you know, he doesn't do exactly the same thing as me, but like it's not that far off.
And so, you know, obviously like there's just a lot that's really jarring about that.
But anyway, you know, I think that's, I guess my point was just that I think that's the case for a lot, a lot of people.
And, you know, I didn't, I'm not like, I was not like very close with Charlie Kirk.
We weren't like close friends or anything like that.
I would have, I, I, I would have called him a friend.
Um, we, you know, like we texted back and forth.
He texted me a bunch of times just to say nice shit to me over the last couple of years.
Um, and then I did his like show, his radio show or podcast or whatever.
Like I did that, I think a couple times.
And then, of course, he had me at his, you know, he hosted me at this big event that he just had recently and moderated a debate that I did.
And, you know, I mean, like, like in all of our interactions, all of our interactions, Charlie was always just the nicest guy.
He's just a really sweet guy.
And he just, it always just came off as very genuine to me.
I think that like, I think Charlie was the type of guy who like, if you were like an intern at turning points, or if you were like some kid who attended a turning point event, who caught Charlie Kirk outside for a few minutes, you just get that like everyone would have had the story that like, oh, he was just the nicest guy in the world to me.
It was like, whatever's anything else, you know, which is a funny thing because like that actually means so much more to me than what someone's politics are.
You know, like I've like kindness and manners mean so much more to me than politics.
You know, like, um, I've had like a, I don't know, like, say like, just like an example, you know, like there are some people who are really shitty to like servers.
Like they're shitty to like waitresses and waiters and stuff like that.
They'll be shitty to people who are like serving on them.
Like that is so much more important than what your politics are.
Like if you're like, if you agree with me on everything, but you're like a dickhead to like some fucking 22 year old who's like bringing you food, I prefer a communist who's kind to that person.
Anyway, so Charlie was just, in my experience, just a really, really nice guy.
And I know that he's, you know, he leaves behind a wife and two little kids.
And this just like goddamn heart wrenching, man.
It's really, really just horrible.
You know, I got, I got a wife and two little kids myself.
And that just absolutely like crushes my soul that they have to, you know, they have to have their family destroyed, you know?
And anyway, it was, you know, I think I don't know what else you can say about it.
It's, I, you know, man, I really between just like, I mean, that it was like, I had a re when I saw the video, I mean, you know, at first, you know, my, that's the whole thing.
I hesitate to even say this out loud because this is so out of character for me.
God, I would just never say something like this.
But it is true.
And god damn it, I am fucking obligated to tell you people the truth.
But, okay, so this is just true.
This is really what happened.
I was on the phone with my wife and she goes, hold on, I got a call coming on the other line.
She was in the car.
I was at home.
And I've, I'm never like this.
I'm so not this person.
But I just got this feeling that she was getting terrible news on that phone on the other end of the phone call.
Like I just got like, like a womanly premonition that something bad was happening.
And I was shaken by, and then so I'm sitting there waiting on Holta, getting a little nervous.
And then she comes back on the other line and I go, hey, who was it?
And it was like nothing.
And she was like, what?
Home Depot called me about like something.
Like it was nothing.
And then I was like, oh, that was stupid.
And so anyway, we got off the phone and she calls me right back.
And she goes, she goes, why is everyone saying pray for Charlie Kirk?
And I go, what?
And I opened my Twitter and the first thing my algorithm showed me was Candace Owens saying, stop everything you're doing right now and pray for Charlie Kirk.
And then I, you know, then I saw that he had gotten shot.
Then I saw the like zoomed out video of all of it.
And then I, at some point saw, you know, the video where they had zoomed in and you could just see the blood gushing out of his neck.
And man, I mean, that's just like, whoo, the zoomed in one is the one that just like really, really affected me.
And then I don't know, between that and then having seen this poor girl get stabbed to death on the subway the day before, added in with two plus years of all the videos of Gaza.
Like, I don't know.
I think I might just, a little fried from just seeing soul crushing awful things.
I got to cleanse a little bit and not try to not watch some of that stuff for a little while because it is, it is not good for your soul.
And at a certain point, I think I'm pretty good at dealing with it in general.
But yeah.
So anyway, you know, it's, you know, it's just terrible, man.
It's just terrible on a human level.
And I think a lot of people are feeling that, especially because Charlie was, you know, a phenomenon.
He was the guy with, who's, you know, like 12 years younger than me and was like fucking had millions and millions of followers and had really made like such an impact on the culture.
And obviously, you know, he's just touched a lot of people.
A lot of people really loved him.
And it's horrible to see something like that happen.
Just, you know, so, I mean, I guess that's the, that's the primary thought that I have is just the personal of it and how terrible it is.
Grappling with a Sudden Loss00:02:50
It's, it's a, a weird feeling, you know, like to have just, you know, just, I don't know, was just hanging out with him pretty recently.
And it's, uh, it's, you know, death has this, this, you know, it's like this weird thing where it's very hard.
It's hard to like grapple with the permanence of death.
I think that, you know, like it, it's, it's hard for us to grapple with the concept that someone's here and then they're just gone.
And so it ends up feeling like kind of surreal.
Like, and you're like, wait a minute, that can't be, that can't be right.
Anyway, but it is real.
And, you know, I guess anyway, that those are kind of my feelings, what I'm going through.
But there's no question.
I mean, this is a massive, massive event culturally.
And, you know, what this means, like what comes out of this is, you know, I believe something that's not predetermined.
You know, it's, it's kind of all of us getting to choose in some way.
And so I kind of want to talk about that a little bit.
But, you know, there's something weird.
Like Donald Trump, obviously he got shot last year.
But there's something, I guess there's two factors that really make it a lot different.
And, you know, the obvious one.
But in addition to the obvious one, you know, there also is just something a little bit different when it's a presidential candidate or a former president running to be president once again.
Like, I'm not saying it's okay to assassinate presidents, but like there is something where like that is, that is in the realm of possibilities of like already in your pre-imagined universe.
Like the presidents get assassinated sometimes.
Now, okay, it's, we haven't lived through a president getting assassinated, but like we know it's happened in the past.
And of course, around the world, political leaders have been assassinated.
Like that is a thing that happens.
And you kind of, but just like it just happened to a guy.
And of course, Charlie Kirk's like an influential guy, but still he's not the elected president or something like that.
That, and particularly with what he does is different.
And then, of course, like the, you know, the obvious one is that, you know, when, you know, that bullet goes off and it nicks your ear, it still kind of feels like a video game.
But man, when that thing nicks your jugular, it feels like real fucking life real quick, you know, and you're like, you, you kind of realize the gravity of it.
But there is like, I guess you just can't get away from like the symbol of the whole thing, right?
Like, like on its very face, here's Charlie Kirk is doing this, you know, like he's doing what he always does.
Black and White Moral Clarity00:02:40
I assume I haven't seen video from the thing, but he's doing the like, change my mind.
Or I guess that was Steven Crowder's thing, but he essentially the same thing, right?
I will sit here and at this institution of higher learning, we will have an exchange of ideas and achieve the truth through debate.
And if you disagree with me, you come up here and challenge me and then I'll respond to you.
And it's like this exercise in free speech and then getting sniped out like that.
Like, what a just powerful and like profoundly disturbing little like snapshot of where you're at as a society.
And, you know, it's, it's pretty black and goddamn white, you know, to see some of the people who are like equivocating between the thing.
It's like, no, it's pretty damn black and white, actually.
Actually, the person who's going, let's have a battle of ideas and I will answer all challenging questions is the good guy.
And the person who murders the husband and father in cold blood for the crime of discussing ideas is the bad piece of shit who needs to be fucking taken care of.
And like, God damn it.
If you don't have that level of moral clarity, then what the hell else are we ever talking about?
So there's that.
And, you know, it's kind of a, it's amazing.
It's like the most simple of tests, like the most basic, simple of tests, you know, like it's like if you were like a, if you were with somebody and you were considering, you know, settling down and starting a family, you, you might, you know, you're like, I think we're going to do it.
We're going to get married and we're going to have some kids.
And then like the test was, I don't know, like, do we both agree that we should not violently abuse our kids?
You know, you'd be like, this is like the most basic test of like, like, you should, you cannot even entertain any more about this conversation unless we're both on the same page about this very simple aspect.
And it's like, when something like this happens, the test is really simple.
Like, is your reaction just like, oh my God, this is horrible?
And we can't have this in our society.
Or do you have anything at all else to say?
Anything.
And I don't care.
That includes just going like, now, while I don't agree with Charlie Kirk on his issues, you know, like, I don't care.
There should be no qualifier, no qualifier whatsoever.
Goddamn psychotic barbarians.
Like, who the fuck thinks this is okay?
And who, and then, and then to get into like, well, he wasn't for gun control or he wasn't for this.
Choosing Unity Over Blame00:15:28
It's like, okay, we're not having a political conversation right now.
We're having a spiritual conversation and you're possessed by the devil.
You are evil.
This is not a political debate anymore.
Anyway, you know, I'm not on this podcast and perhaps, you know, almost certainly down the road, we'll start talking about theories about what the hell could have happened here.
You know, there's just way too little information right now, and there's way more information that's going to come out one way or the other.
And I'm just like, what the hell is the point in trying to put the pieces together right now?
You know, obviously we know what we know and we don't know a whole lot of other stuff.
I will get into this in a way because essentially just what I want to, what I want to just talk about today is just like, well, one, what I just said, like kind of just give you my thoughts, which are just really like that this is the, you know, this was really that this is just gutting.
And that, you know, I give my deepest condolences to his family, of course, but then I just talk about the moment that this is and then kind of just say like, look, there are, there are some groups of people who are reacting in these ways.
And here's how I feel about all of that.
But it's not for me to give like my theory of what happened.
I mean, what really do we know at this point?
You know, the FBI just said there's a person on their wanted list.
There's been reports that there was like some types of trans ideology stuff left on the weapon.
They did, the feds did recover what they believe is the murder weapon.
But aside from that, we basically know that he was sniped.
The guy was able to escape.
All of that.
I mean, that's it, basically at this point.
There's really just not that much.
And we will get more information as this as this develops.
But so I would say that, okay.
Well, here, let's, maybe I'll just do this first.
Okay.
So, you know, being in the position I'm in right now, this very weird position where like I knew the guy who this just happened to, you know, there's all types of people speculating over what's going on.
I mean, half my, half my Twitter feed seems to think that it's because of me.
It's because he, not that it's my fault, but that it's because he platformed me at his last event and defended them.
And that's why Israel took them out or something like that.
But not really, not really on board with that theory.
Doesn't seem to be very likely to me.
But I'll say this.
When you see that video of Charlie, you know, and you see how real this shit gets, the thing that we should come together on and the thing that we do still have somewhat of a choice in here is that like we do not want to go down this path.
This is a very, very dark path.
And there's a real danger of escalation after this shit here, man.
You can't just do this and think that like, you know, the other side is incapable of responding in kind.
And like this is a really dangerous path.
But like, I would just say, like, is as to the extent that I have any influence over people, like my only message after something like this is like, calm down.
Everybody take a breath and don't do anything stupid and don't do something stupid and senseless and violent in response to this.
That only is going to lead to more.
And that's only going to make the situation much, much worse.
I hope, you know, that that's kind of like the message that most people have.
You know, I already see some of these, you know, some of the kind of right-wing accounts, like kind of, you know, just people doing stuff, which I understand.
Believe me, I understand.
Like, let me, I'll try my best to make this clear, but like, I get the temptation.
You know, I saw people like Sharon, the Andrew Breitbart video, that badass video where he's like, war.
And, you know, then the music kicks in and stuff.
And it's like, all right, I get the temptation, but like, let's think about that because I don't think that's the message that we want to send out to people right now.
Like, obviously, we want justice for whoever did this.
We want to figure out what the hell happened here.
We want all the answers, but like nothing's going to bring Charlie Kirk back or fix, you know, his destroyed family right now.
So like, that's not actually the route that you want to go.
And, you know, I remember, and I kind of feel this way.
I mean, I'm not saying I feel the exact same way in these situations.
I'm saying I feel right now like there's this, um, there's a temptation to sink into what I believe really is kind of like a dark force.
Um, I, so anyway, so I remember literally the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life by far was my son.
Some of you know who are listening to this, who's doing quite, he's doing great right now.
But my son had a congenital heart defect and he had to have open heart surgery when he was three days old.
And, you know, it's just an enormously difficult situation, you know, one that I would not wish on my worst enemy.
And I mean that.
I've never met anybody who I would, I would wish that on.
It's, you know, like, you know, I don't know.
There's people out there who have lost kids, man, and I've never lost a kid.
I can't imagine what that's like, but I do know, I do know what it's like to mentally prepare yourself for the possibility of that.
And it is horrible, dude.
Like, oh my God, it's just like, you can't even describe the feeling.
Like it feels like the, like if like, if like burning garbage was like the smell of that was a feeling.
It's like, it's just like this intense, like horrible feeling.
And so I remember, so like there was this period where like we found out when my wife was pregnant that he had this heart condition and that we were going to need this surgery And what the risks were and were all of this.
It was like this extended period of time.
You know, it was, it was months and months and months of preparing for this and then going through it and then nursing them back to health.
It's like this whole long thing.
And like, I remember when I was in it, I remember feeling like this temptation to fall into like destructive feelings.
Like, like, and the feeling very clearly was like feeling sorry for yourself.
Like, it's like just being mad at the world, like how unfair this is, being furious at God, being like, what, you know, like how, you know, there's just like, and it's not like when I say it, it's like tempting to, it's so tempting, like a freaking, like a cartoon where the pie smoke like starts, you know, gets in the dog's nose and carries him over.
Like it's the most tempting feeling ever.
It's, it's like a drug that you're addicted to.
Like you just, you want it so much because there's something like, there's something rewarding in a weird way.
It makes you feel better, like briefly in some moment to be like, you know, fuck you, God, and fuck you, world.
And how can you do this to me?
And this is so unfair.
And like, I have to suffer through this like that.
This very human temptation to like want to feel bad for yourself.
Well, like, nothing is, first off, when you got a real sick little baby who's like never done anything wrong and needs to go through this whole thing and um in his start to life.
And um, you know, it's just first, it's really, really easy to fall into that.
You feel really, really bad and it really, really is unfair.
So it's just very, like, it would be like, if you, it's as easy as like, if you didn't sleep for five nights in a row, you got absolutely no sleep and then you laid down on the most comfortable bed ever.
It, it's how easy it would be to fall asleep is like how easy it is to fall.
But then like on some other level, you just also know that that is the devil, you know, like that it is like, I'm not saying literally, like maybe just a metaphor, but kind of literally also that this is like a dark force that is a trap.
Like nothing good comes from that.
You know that like, oh, like you fall into that and great.
Now what?
I'm fucking in a mountain of self-pity and feeling bad for myself.
And how the fuck does that help my wife, who's still got to go through this whole thing?
How does that help my two and a half year old daughter I had at the time, who still needs her mom and dad?
Like that doesn't help anyone if I do that.
But if I fight that, if I fight that and I just stay awake, even though I'm exhausted and in the most comfortable bed ever, but I stay awake and I just go, no, I, instead of me feeling bad for myself, I go, this is going to be fine.
And I take on the burden of other people, then like, maybe that can be positive.
Like maybe something better could come of that.
And, you know, in this case, like, you know, I'm grateful to God every day, but in this case, it did work out and everything was okay.
Anyway, I say all of that to just say that I think there's like, there's a similar type of thing when something like this happens.
There's like this temptation to get angry.
And man, is it fucking easy to get angry?
Is it easy to get angry?
I mean, you look at like, you know, you, all you got to do, because like, anyway, just like to complete the thought here is like from the beginning to now, it's like, I'm saying like, you did know Charlie Kirk too.
To many of you guys who loved him, like that is somebody who you loved and who you knew and who you just watched like publicly executed in cold blood when he never did anything, you know, like with being guilty of no crime.
And then like you see a video of like some left winger celebrating it, as I'm sure so many of you have seen.
And it is so easy to like fall into that darkness, man.
And I understand why some people do because it's so easy to.
It's so easy to go like, yo, they kill someone you love and then they're sitting there celebrating it.
Like, what motherfucker?
I mean, what's the right response to that?
And it's very easy when you start going down that path to start coming up with what you think the right response to that is.
But again, it's just like with the other stuff, but there's nothing but destruction behind that path.
Like, no matter how tempting it may be or no matter how good it might feel, we all know on some level that then the darkness wins.
Nothing good can come from that.
And, you know, I mean, not that any of them are fucking ever listening to me, but you know, if the, you know, like if I had a message to like those, you know, like the left wingers on TikTok or whatever who are like celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, I guess like, I guess my message would be like twofold.
So like, number one, the first thing I would say to all those people is that, you know, I've seen like, you know, a bunch of these because people have been posting them and, you know, I understand where they are, but I also would like kind of caution people with big audiences for posting that shit.
Like you're working up anger and that really may not be the best thing.
I don't think that's what Charlie would have wanted either, by the way.
He was real against all that shit.
He always wanted like things to calm down and not escalate to like violence.
But anyway, the theme for all these videos that I've seen so far, you know, more or less like very loosely speaking, the theme is either like, you know, a bunch of left-wingers reacting to Charlie Kirk.
And they're, they're either saying like, you know, I'm not, I'm not sad or I'm quite happy.
You know, like that's basically what they're saying.
I'm not sad that Charlie Kirk died or I'm quite happy that Charlie Kirk died.
And then, you know, in some other, in their own, you know, unique way.
But like, if the message is like, you guys, you left wingers, the left wingers who are crazy enough to jump on TikTok and make a video about how you're not sad or you're happy.
My response would just be like, that's not true.
You know, none of you are happy.
You're all incredibly sad.
You're all incredibly sad.
Those are your real feelings.
You are not a happy person.
You're actually an incredibly sad person.
In fact, you're fucking so goddamn sad and fucked up that you can't even, you can't even exist in this world with your emotions.
You got to be fucking medicated to even get day to day through your miserable life.
So like, you know, obviously you're a genuinely, you know, just disgusting, horrible person if you, if you make a video like that celebrating things.
But just, I guess, my, you know, I'm trying not to fall into that kind of anger myself.
So the, you know, my message would be that you're wrong on both counts.
You are sad and you're not happy.
Then there's the left, then there's like the liberals in the media who, wow, it is really, I mean, it is just unbelievable that, because, you know, now I'm talking, I'm not talking lefties anymore.
I'm talking, you know, liberals, neoliberals, you know, in the, in the corporate media.
And it's like they are, they are, it's, it's unbelievable.
It's some type of like whatever their cultist religion is of like neoliberal woke corporate progressivism.
It's like they are, they're incapable of passing the test that I laid out before.
Like they cannot just go, this was horrible.
What a senseless act of violence, you know?
They can't do that.
They have to every time go the provocative Charlie Kirk, who, you know, whatever, had some wild views about all these things and offended the trans community.
Like they have to find a way to try to blame him.
And it really is, you know, obviously it's despicable.
At the same time, you know, it's just one more piece of evidence of why those people have completely lost all of their influence and why all of you guys on Morning Joe and CBS and CNN and all these goddamn networks, why you are all, you are nothing but the butt of all the rest of our jokes at this point.
You don't even kind of move the needle.
Little fucking podcasts, a third of the size of mine move the needle more than any of your goddamn fucking networks do at this point.
Like, screw you guys.
And you guys tried to be like the ones who morally lectured the rest of us, but you can't even bring yourself to not attempt to politicize like a horrible death of a husband and father.
Like, okay, that's why the whole thing is flipped.
And I don't ever want to hear anything about how you judge all we judge all of you and morally condemn you to hell.
The Low Point of Hate Speech00:14:41
So like, fuck off.
And this is why you're not, you know, I should go back.
That's my message basically to the corporate media.
I should go back.
There was one more message I had for the lefties, the lefties who are making the TikTok videos.
And I understand they're like, look, these are all like, you know, they're all low IQ, mentally unstable, fucking, you know, disgusting people.
But I would just say the message of these, it's like, you know, you sit there.
First of all, I guess to all of them, to the corporate media and to the lefties, all of them.
First of all, you fucking dults who don't know anything about anything and have never read a book about anything and don't fucking pay attention to any of the goddamn trends.
And I mean this about the people on TV too.
Like they don't fucking know shit.
None of them.
It's shocking, dude.
I'm a goddamn dummy comedian and I fucking run circles around the fucking professional people on news because I've read books about stuff.
That's my big secret weapon, by the way.
That's how I'm able to fuck all these guys up.
I've read a couple books about things and I know what I'm talking about and fucking none of them have.
So it gives me a huge advantage.
But to all of you goddamn retards, Charlie Kirk was the moderate.
He was the fucking reasonable guy in the room, you dummy.
He wasn't a far right activist.
Are you kidding me?
You have any idea what's out there?
You think that was like the radical position?
Charlie Kirk was the most moderate human being.
He was a plumbline Republican, a plumbline Republican, as everybody who knows anything about anything knows, is one centimeter to the right of a plumbline Democrat.
He was right just in the middle.
He supported Israel like the Democrats and Republicans do.
He was more, you know, like a little bit more on the side of restrictive immigration policy.
You know, that was his big radical policy was he was with 80% of the American people on immigration.
It's not, so you sit there and what do you think?
You think this is a victory?
Like for you?
You think, oh, you, you took out a, you, let me think this through here with all of my wisdom.
I want to win a culture war.
So what I did was I violently murdered the most high profile moderate voice on the other side.
Hey, geniuses, but you know, summon all your wisdom together and tell me, do you think that is likely to calm things down or might that lead to more radicalization?
And what the fuck, these dumbass fucking lefties celebrating?
Like, what exactly are you trying to start here, you fucking pussies?
Like, Jesus Christ, man.
I mean, go live your fucking weird lives and with your fucking pink hair and your 70 genders or whatever, but don't sit here and pretend you're ready for a fucking fight.
Like, what are you doing?
Do you know?
Do you know?
It's like such a weird dynamic they have here, right?
Where like broadly speaking in the country, there's like this culture war, right?
And like the left wingers are almost always the ones who are out on the streets.
You know, they're the ones protesting.
I mean, yeah, you could point to January 6th, but it's like the one exception.
It's the exception that proves the rule.
But who is out in, you know, the Ferguson, Missouri, you know, protests and riots, or the Trayvon Martin protests and riots, or the George Floyd protests and riots, or there's the Pussy march, or there's the immigration march, or there's the campus campus activism over the last, you know uh, 15 years.
It's like the leftists take to the street, they're the first ones to go.
We're gonna go out here and do a thing.
It's much harder to get the right wingers out on the streets because they have families and jobs and church to go to.
Um, but the right wing is so much tougher, so much tougher.
Like, if this ever came down to a fight, the fight is right wingers mowing down gender studies majors, like what are we talking about here?
You ever see one of those videos where, like Antifa would actually get into a fight and then you'd realize that like it's actually really funny, I mean, like it was kind of jarring and a little.
But like there'd be all these videos where there'd be, like you know, the black block guys, like like seven kids in hoodies with like one of them's got a pipe, and you know they got the, the masks on.
So you're almost like oh, these are like kind of tough looking guys and then one of them swings like the girliest swing of a pipe and completely misses.
And then a man punches him in the face and you hear the guy go hey.
And you're like oh oh, you're not tough, you're just like role playing.
As like what do you guys think?
But you're trying to provoke this other side who will annihilate you.
And there are real deal militias in this country.
There are real deal gun enthusiasts in this country.
You do not want to pop shit off with them.
Of course, we also have a giant police force and a giant military which we all know is made up of left wingers right, it's all.
It's all made up of trans activists in in those organizations.
Like what are you guys thinking?
Man, everybody needs to calm down, everybody needs to chill out.
You know like hopefully, this like horrible moment can be something that like pulls you know, pulls people back a little bit.
You know like um, you know just like you go like wow, this is horrible, we don't want to go down this path.
Like let's move to something better.
Man, this is like it's fundamentally again, like I said, you have a guy like doing free speech stuff for free speech reasons in the free speech locations who gets shot, assassinated for doing that, for the crime of doing that.
This isn't just, like you know, there's something really profound here.
This is I hate using terms like this.
I'm not a collectivist, i'm an individualist, but like this is like national soul type shit, like what you're telling me that like the foundational principle of the nation is free speech.
He's exercising free speech and gets murdered for it.
You know, maybe that could be a moment like where everybody goes whoa, hold on no, that's not who we are.
I mean, we get to determine who we are.
It's like let's, let's decide that it's not that And that if there is to be even like the kind of just retribution, let that be like, okay, let's find out who's responsible for this.
Let's make sure that person is held accountable.
If there's a conspiracy or something like that, let's get to the bottom of it, but let's not, you know, give in to the evil spirits, man.
Like, I'm not saying, I'm not even saying you shouldn't hate those people.
I'm not saying you shouldn't hate anyone in the corporate media or the leftists making those videos.
I'm not, that's not my message.
I'm saying, like, it's probably appropriate to hate them.
I'm just like really pleading with you to not fall into like an all-consuming hatred, like to not fall into like that dark force that in some way I think we all know is kind of always there with us in life.
You know, it's like you can, you can conceive of these things as, you know, and like through metaphors or through scripture or through a lot of the, or, you know, just the cartoon, like there's the angel and the devil on your shoulder, right?
Like, why is that a running thing?
That's the way human beings think of things because that kind of is the human condition in a lot of ways.
However, you could get there from a secular atheist point of view or a religious point of view, but there's like the high and the low, the dark and the light.
And there is like, there's all I'm saying is just try to stay away from that bad force.
And I should say, you know, one more thing that I just, because I, you know, of whatever, I don't even want to like get into the politics of any of it, but I did see, you know, Ian Carroll.
And I'm not trying to like personally blast him or anything like that.
I'm not starting any feuds or nothing like that.
You know, I've said nice things about Ian in the past.
I know he said nice things about me, but I see him out there and like, and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this, but it's just like, if you want to go look through it, I mean, it's just crazy.
But like, he just, he had this post about how Israel did this.
Israel just murdered Charlie Kirk.
And, you know, me, I don't know.
I'm biggest fan of Israel, but I literally just replied and I went, what evidence do we have that Israel was involved with this at all?
And I mean, man, if you want to be disturbed, like go look through the replies to that.
It is unbelievable how people put together theory.
You know, they're like, what evidence do you have?
By the way, the answer is none.
We have absolutely no evidence.
There is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case, let alone to determine that it's a fact and all the things people are posing.
It's just like, guys, Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry.
I just don't go for sloppy, kooky theories.
Like, if you got some evidence, bring it to me and I'll be the first one to look into it.
But then people going like, he was waking up to Israel.
Like, dude, he said release the Epstein files.
And he, you know, he once on an interview said, like, you know, the pro-Israel people are getting a little too crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel.
But that's about it.
And like, you know, to his credit, he defended like having me at the thing and having Tucker and Megan there and stuff.
But like, you've just got no real theory here.
And it just makes no sense at all.
Like they telling me the government of Israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people.
I just, I don't know.
I don't know.
It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
And I don't think it's like, I don't think it's like, I don't know.
I think honestly, in a way, I think a lot of those guys might have fallen into their own dark force where they're just so wrapped up in blaming Israel and blame for everything that you try to, you start to see it or you kind of desire that conclusion before you've even reached it.
But I think like anyone like, let's just fucking breathe on this for a little bit.
Let's get a like, I'm not, I'm again, as I say all the time, I'm not against a conspiracy theory.
I love a good conspiracy theory.
Lots of them are true, but like you got to like have a case to make.
You got to have evidence, a coherent narrative, a through line, different, you know, things that back up your assertions.
Can't just be this, like, you know, just, I don't know.
We'll just say that.
We'll say it was them.
Who cares?
Like, I hate that shit.
I, you know, I should say, and I'll probably wrap up here in a, in a sec, because I think I pretty much said what I wanted to.
I will say, you know, there don't one of the things that's one of the reasons say, well, you don't want to fall into those dark forces that I was talking about, like why you don't want to fall into this like all-encompassing hate or rage or whatever, despair, any of like the bad things that you don't want to fall into, is because it becomes blinding, you know?
It's the same, same thing I'm saying almost there.
Like you could really, really hate the government of Israel.
Like you could, you could even hate Israel.
You could even hate Jewish people or whatever.
And like, if you, if you still are concerned with getting things right, getting to the truth of things, then you don't want to fall into the thing where you're always immediately blaming them first.
Cause like, obviously, there are other factors in the world too.
There are other forces.
You know, and if you're, if you're falling into that, right, you could see where the problem is that you're missing what really happened.
You're going with the conclusion you want.
And so you're not seeing the truth.
And that's kind of the problem with all these things.
It's the problem with like all-encompassing hatred too, because it's real easy to like fall into, you know, fall into, you know, like, oh my God, you look at some of these left wingers on TikTok celebrating Charlie Kirk died.
Fucking war.
I'm angry.
I'm this.
But then you kind of miss the fact that like, hey, look at all these other guys who are actually saying the right thing.
And I saw, I saw there was this one video that had, you know, I must have lost it in the timeline, but it was like a left wing looking type person who was a TikTok video that was going super viral, had like millions and millions of views on it.
And they were going like, yo, what's wrong with all you guys?
Like a human being just got killed.
He's got a family.
Like, I don't know.
You disagree with his ideas?
Like, he was there to debate the ideas.
What's wrong?
And there were a ton of people agreeing with him too.
So like, you know, just like, keep that in mind too.
There's also the beauty in the world and there's also people kind of doing the right things.
And, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to miss that because that's kind of, you know, that's our, that's the hope for, that's what makes life worth living.
That's the thing that is like gives us possibilities of a of a better outcome.
Um, and, and I will say that there are, you know, if I'm giving shit to people who kind of didn't pass that test, and I say like the, the basic, my basic test is just like, and I think this is not that unreasonable.
I think it's like a very, it's a pretty low bar to be able to get over.
And I think the test is just that like when something like this happens, you're appropriately horrified.
You just go, that is awful.
This is inexcusable.
I feel horrible for the family and all that.
You don't start like hate mongering and getting everybody worked up and furious about the other side.
It's a thing that people do online.
It's great for fucking clicks and it's great for, you know what I mean?
Like, and it's, and it feels good in a way too.
I'm sure a lot of people genuinely believe it.
It's easy to genuinely believe it in a moment like this.
But like, you don't do that.
You don't start jumping to wild theories and stating them as if they're fact when you know you can't even, you can't even build a coherent theory, yet alone know this for a fact.
You don't start doing that and you don't start like, you know, equivocating about who was really wrong or who wasn't.
It's like, just be that, just like, it's the most basic of tests.
Giving Nick Honest Credit00:03:22
And I do have to say, man, that, you know, I was really, I was really, I was really pleasantly, I wouldn't say surprised, but I was very happy to see that like Nick Fuentes really passed that test with flying colors.
I just saw on Twitter that he, he like, you know, he just basically said the exact right thing.
And then he canceled his show last night and was like, I'm just not going to do that in light of these events.
And I don't know.
I just thought like that, that's, it's weird.
Of course, in this world we live in, it's like Nick Fuentes is the one in this moment who like actually has the appropriate kind of adult reaction.
That's where, that's, that's where we're at.
I don't mean that as a shot at Nick.
This is purely a compliment to him.
I'm just kind of making fun of the way he's caricatured versus the reality of it.
But, you know, and I'm just particularly giving him credit just because, you know, again, like the way he's caricatured versus like how actually so many of these supposed grownups in the room are acting.
But there were a lot, a lot of people who I thought really did that.
And I do really appreciate that.
I think like in these moments, like for whatever the fuck we're doing, living in this world with people who follow us on, watch our shows and follow our social media accounts.
For the people who have like somewhat of a following, you know, it's just like, if we're not doing anything else, it's like it, it's a, it's a kind of like easy line for me to see like who are the good guys and the bad guys kind of based on how they handle things like this.
All right.
I'm going to wrap up there.
I mean, I don't know, you know, what else to say.
It's clearly just like, you know, truly, a truly horrifying event that I really can't think of a parallel to this in my life.
Like, you know, and there were things where like congressmen, congresswomen were shot at or got shot.
Still just like not quite the same, not quite the same as someone being cold-blooded executed this way.
And, you know, obviously all the other personal stuff.
So I, you know, I'm going to continue, as I'm sure a lot of people are to continue kind of processing this.
And, you know, and I'm sure, I'm sure I'll have more to say about it to you guys.
Anyway, I'll always kind of tell you guys, you know, give you my honest opinions and try to tell you the truth as I see it.
That's, you know, I'm being completely honest today.
I kind of did, I did not feel like doing this.
I did not want to have this episode.
I just knew I'm very upset about it.
I knew there was a good chance I might get emotional during it.
I did hold it together a little bit, but I did.
But I just didn't feel like doing this.
I'm the kind of guy in this situation.
I don't, I actually don't like to talk about it, despite how much I like to talk in general in life.
Subjects like this, I don't.
But I just kind of had this feeling like, I don't know, I have to.
That's my obligation to you.
I got to come here and tell you how I feel.
This is what, this is the deal.
And I don't know.
I actually, I kind of feel, you know, like this was somewhat helpful for me to just kind of get some of this off my chest to you.