Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect their cathartic debate with Chris Cuomo regarding Donald Trump's conviction and the "COVID tyranny," exposing alleged lies about Ivermectin being a horse dewormer. Smith critiques Cuomo's dishonesty, corporate media shaming of the unvaccinated, and his refusal to expose establishment corruption despite CNN's collapse. Ultimately, the episode frames this confrontation as proof that the expert consensus was a house of cards, while teasing future interviews with Javier Milei and plans for the Run Your Mouth tour. [Automatically generated summary]
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Built the Green Room00:14:26
We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
Oh, what's up?
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new live episode of Part of the Problem.
Figured we would do this one live because, well, our schedule's been a little messed up with all the travel and maybe just experimenting with something new that you guys might see more of.
I'm Dave Smith.
He's Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
What's up, brother?
How are you since last night?
If we're live, can Brian still edit out my farts?
No.
This will be a full part of the problem experience.
I really don't want that to be on the internet.
That's going to be uncomfortable for me.
For you, imagine for the rest of us.
Imagine for the whole audience.
Live wasn't in my contract, Dave.
Oh, little, not to pull the curtain here, but you don't have a contract, Rob.
This really isn't going well.
We haven't had a contract in years.
We've just been operating on a handshake.
Oh, thank you to everybody who came out to Atlantic City last night.
We had a fun show over there at Hara's theater.
Cool times.
Weird city, Atlantic City.
Haven't been there in many years, and it is as dirty as when I left it.
We were in and out.
Hopefully next time we can stick around, play some craps, and have some pancake buffet.
Yes, I did.
I jetted over to the UFC after that and caught the last few fights.
So that was fun.
Oh, and by the way, shout out to Aaron Rodgers, who came up to me and said he's a big fan.
No.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
That didn't really happen.
Aaron Rodgers walked right up to me, shook my hands, and went, huge fan.
You kicked Cuomo's ass.
That rules.
And I was like, thank you.
You're the man.
And he's like, no, you're the man.
And then he started walking away and I gave him one more.
No, you're the man.
And then I swear to God, then I was like, I blew it.
I blew the whole thing.
I was cool for a second there.
Yeah, sometimes in short interactions with celebrities, it's amazing how not cool you can be in 30 seconds.
You're like, but until I was one, no, you're the man.
Like, if I just hadn't done that one, it would have ended up cool.
And then Theo Vaughan turned over to me because I was sitting next to him.
And then he goes, that's pretty cool, man.
And I was like, yeah, no, whatever shit like this happens all the time to me.
I tried to, but inside I was like, what?
This is nuts.
All right.
Anyway.
Was Trump still hanging out?
Trump was there.
He was a few feet away from me.
He was right there.
I didn't shake his hand.
I didn't want to get pulled in close.
You know what I mean?
I didn't go to the city.
You should have walked over, shook his hand and been like, you know why I was able to get over here?
There was no wall.
There's no wall.
There was some guy who promised he was going to build a wall.
Never did, though.
Anyway, enjoy the fights, dude.
That's cool.
Front number seats at you.
Well, you say that every time you drink one on camera.
No, but I really rarely do dreams.
So we just, I showed you.
You were just at my house the other day and I showed you.
We got a new fridge here.
This is for you and Brian, by the way.
It's not even for me.
But my wife stocked it full of like random drinks that you would have at a studio.
And now I'm like, I guess I'll drink one.
It's just sitting here.
But I would never, I never drink these things.
It tastes like I'm drinking a milkshake.
You're saying you're already drinking mine and Brian's coffee?
That was supposed to be a work perk for the staff, Dave.
It sure was.
Well, it's not anymore.
I also licked around the edges of every other soda and coffee in there.
Okay, so wanted to discuss a few things.
Really, really two major things.
I wanted to, and I posted this on Twitter.
I figured we would do, you know, kind of give my thoughts on the debate with Cuomo, the big debate that we just had the other day.
And then, of course, the big news is Donald Trump convicted on 34 felonies.
So let's get into that.
First of all, yeah, dude, May was such a crazy month for me.
I've done a lot of big shows in my day, but I'd never done so many in one month.
And as did Tucker and did Rogan, we had the Libertarian Party National Convention open for Donald Trump.
And then I got to go on May 31st.
And the last one, and it worked out well, that being the last one, was getting to debate Chris Cuomo on Patrick Bett David's podcast down in Fort Lauderdale.
So anyway, there's been a lot of flying around and I've had many nights in a row of not getting as much sleep as I should get.
So I am a little bit runned down, as I have been for a few weeks here, but I could not go to the UFC last night after our shows.
That would have just been crazy talk.
So anyway, I will be recovering.
I think we got a week and a half till we're back out on the road.
So I'm going to get some nice recovery time.
I got porch tour this weekend.
Go to porchstore.com.
We got Minnesota and then a whole bunch of other dates coming right up.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Make sure you guys go check that out if you're in the Minnesota area or the other areas.
I'm really stupid.
Just go to porchstore.com.
Porchtor.com.
Check out the ticket links there.
Okay.
And of course, comicdave Smith.com.
We are just in a couple of weeks, we'll be out in Las Vegas, I think is our next stop.
And then I'll be back at the comedy mothership and a whole bunch of whole bunch of fun stuff coming up.
Okay, so I don't know where to start with my thoughts on the Chris Cuomo debate.
I guess I would say going into the debate, I think my expectations were pretty much met by what I thought it would be.
And when I say what I thought it would be, not exactly what the actual show was.
There were a few things I was a little surprised by, but more or less, when this first was set up, and if you guys remember, if you listen to this show, it started by me just challenging him on the show and saying, hey, let's do it.
I mean, I don't know.
I got a great relationship with Patrick Bett David.
I love that guy.
And I'm just very impressed by him and everything he's built.
And I was like, well, hey, I know the guy who's, you know, and I have a good relationship with the guy who's has him on his network now.
So, hey, why not?
Let's put this out into the universe and will it into happening.
And it did.
It happened.
And when as soon as it was booked, I first of all, as I expressed several times on the show, I was just nervous it was going to fall through.
I was like, oh man, is he actually going to come do this?
Because what's in it for him?
It just doesn't seem to make any sense.
But I thought that given my particular, you know, set of skills, I thought that this was going to end up being what ultimately it ended up being, which is that this was going to kind of be, it was going to be a cathartic moment for a lot of people who were opposed to the COVID insanity.
And that really, I don't think there's been anything else like this, which is insane when you think about it.
I don't think there's really been another one of the major figures of the COVID regime who's ever been taken to task like the, like I knew I was going to do with Chris Cuomo.
And it's really something when you think about it like that, right?
Like Andrew Cuomo went on Bill Maher's show.
We did a segment about that, but it wasn't like anyone was really holding his feet to the fire at all.
The closest was when Governor Murphy went on Tucker Carlson's show, but that was like a seven minute segment.
And it was just one or two questions that Tucker got to ask him that he couldn't answer.
I mentioned that in the debate with Chris Cuomo.
But this was different.
This was three hours of getting to, you know what I mean, like really hold the guy.
And I knew it was going to go somewhat.
I knew the response was going to end up being more or less what it was.
I mean, there was a the Patrick Bett David podcast put out a poll asking who they thought won the debate, just shy of 30,000 people, I think voted in the poll.
And it finished with me having 96% and him having 4%.
And I'm surprised about the 4%.
Like I genuinely don't know how, if you're viewing this as a debate, I don't know how anybody could watch this and think, yeah, Cuomo got the best of him.
Like, what did you, that 4% of people must have either hit the wrong button or they must be trans.
I don't know, whatever.
That's the 4%.
But anyway, it was, I knew it was going to kind of go like that.
I knew this was going to be the response.
At least this is what I expected going into it.
I thought that I didn't know exactly how he was going to play it, but I knew that my arguments are so overwhelming that there was just going to be a lot of moments of me making him look bad, no matter how he tried to play it.
All right.
I guess why don't I, I'll tell you what the experience was like for me.
And then we could get into the actual content of what happened during the show and I could give you my thoughts on it.
So first of all, I would just say, because people always ask this, these questions, like, what was it like in the green room with him before?
What was it like in the green room with him after?
Things like this.
But people are always in these type of debates, people are always very curious about that.
So there's not too much to tell there.
We did not spend a lot of time together before or after the show.
So I got there to Patrick Bet David's studio.
It was, you know, he's got his like the vault studio area, but then this is like the live club that he built, which is very cool.
He really built a cool thing there.
It's like a live, it's, I don't know, like a live venue.
You could do comedy shows or music or live podcasts or whatever at it.
There's a couple full bars.
There's a there's a cigar lounge.
It's a very cool like spot that he built there.
And so I get there about an hour before the show.
One of Pat's guys brings me back into the green room.
He tells me that Pat is here.
He's just taking care of a few things and that they're still waiting on Chris.
And so I sit down in the green room.
I a couple of the guys from the crew, like I know all those guys at this point.
So like Vinny was there and Vinny, by the way, who is celebrating one year of sobriety.
So congratulations to him.
One year since he was cool.
And he's, I'm kidding.
Congratulations, Vinny.
And then I saw Adam and like a bunch of the other guys came in, a bunch of his staff members and we're like all kind of hanging out in there.
But the time goes by and no one else has come in.
I spent the whole hour there just having some snacks and having a water and bullshitting with the guys.
No one comes in.
Cuomo wasn't there.
Patrick Bette David wasn't there.
About five minutes before the show starts, Pat comes in, give Pat a big hug.
We bullshit for a minute.
About two minutes before the show starts, Cuomo comes in.
And he, you know, I felt like there's a weird thing, particularly in this debate that's very different than any other debate I've ever done.
And I felt like I remember thinking as I was there, you know, I wasn't just going to be friendly with him in the green room.
Like I wasn't just going to say, you know, I was thinking I might have an hour with this guy off air before we go up there.
And I didn't want to be like a phony and just be like having a friendly conversation when it's kind of like, look, man, I'm, I'm here to ruin you.
And I don't mean that in like an aggressive way.
It's just this is, this is the, this is what you deserve.
This is the right thing to happen.
And I'm the one who's getting this shot.
And I did feel a certain pressure that I haven't felt in other debates.
I mean, to some degree, I've felt some type of this, you know, like when you're representing a cause that's much bigger than yourself, you kind of feel like.
All right, I want to do a good job here.
I don't want to like let down the people who are on this side.
But with this one particularly, it was like, dude, I'm like, I'm the only one.
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I'm the only one who's like got my hands on one of the main culprits of the COVID regime.
And nobody else has been allowed to do this.
Fauci isn't debating anybody.
What's that guy?
He doesn't remember.
Things just kind of sort of appeared.
Well, he never said that.
Well, and what's what was the guy?
I'm blanking on his name, but the scientist who Rogan wanted to have debate RFK and refused to do it.
And they were offering him all types of money.
Vaccine guy.
Where's the stupid bow ties?
Yes.
Stupid bow tie vaccine guy.
He's not debating anybody.
None of these guys are going to actually get out there and debate like, you know, there's far more competent people than me who could be making this argument.
None of them are doing that.
And so this was like the only one.
And I was like, okay, well, I have to like, you know, I have to make my points pretty forcefully here.
Anyway, none of that happened.
I didn't hang out with him at all.
He comes in like two minutes before the show.
And I don't know how to describe this.
His whole demeanor and body language and facial expressions and everything.
He was so somber.
I guess would be how he listened.
I'm not just saying this.
He looked like he walked into a funeral.
Like the guy just looked like he didn't want to be there.
It was a like, I don't know how to describe it.
He was somber, I guess is the best word I could think of, but he was just very like, it seemed like he did not want to do this thing.
I got to be honest, I was kind of in my mind.
I was like, why is he doing this?
Why would he do this?
And he had, it became clear in the debate that he had done his research on me.
And I think he knew what he was walking into.
I think he knew that like he, I think he knew what I was going to do.
I think he knew the crowd was going to be with me.
I think he knew the larger audience watching at home was going to be with me.
And in a sense, I guess I kind of give him credit for going through with the whole thing.
The War Argument Prep00:10:21
As far as the substance of the debate, I mean, I'll give you my thoughts.
Maybe I'll ask you, Rob, as someone who watched it who wasn't there, what did you think?
Oh my God.
I mean, it was great.
Start to finish.
It was an entertaining three hours.
The amount of moments he had where you completely showcased that he was lying, refused to apologize, was not much of a human being.
I think it was, it was, you won.
There's not a lot more to be said.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I was, I was not sure.
If it makes sense, I kind of came in.
I didn't do a ton of like preparation for this debate.
I typically don't, I typically don't do a lot of preparation for podcasts or debates.
I kind of feel like I don't exactly know what the analogy to use is, but typically I feel like my job is to always be ready to go.
Like I should be ready to debate any of the topics that I'm passionate about.
And like I should, you know what I'm saying?
Like my job is to just kind of have that knowledge.
And there are certain debates where it'll be like, oh, I want to quote this thing.
Let me look that up or let me reread this chapter of this book just so I go in fresh.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not saying I do no preparation, but I don't like have a specific, you know, like, okay, I have to prepare for this debate about the war in Gaza.
My thing is like, I'm, I'm supposed to know what's going on in the war and the history of it and stuff.
And so I'm all my everyday life is preparation for these things.
But I also just had a very busy few weeks leading up to this.
So basically my preparation for this was just that a lot of people were sending me, you know, old clips of Cuomo and I'd rewatch them and kind of, you know, remind myself of the worst things that he had said while he was over at CNN.
And, you know, I knew most of it already, but it was helpful to like see it again and remember just how bad it was.
I more or less thought that this debate was going to go one of two ways, that he was going to attack it from one of two ways.
I thought the possibilities were that either he was going to essentially admit he was wrong about all of this stuff.
And I was prepared for like, maybe he just gives me the apology real quick.
Like maybe he just very quickly at the beginning goes, I was wrong about all of this, blah, blah, blah.
And I got to be prepared for then.
What's my response to that?
Which is going to be like, you know, to insist that he understands what he needs to apologize for or something.
Or I thought it was also possible that he would defend his track record.
I was not as prepared for him taking option C, which was essentially, I can't defend my track record.
I'm also not going to apologize for it.
That was surprising to me.
And I will say, as I mentioned before, I've never done a debate quite like this one.
I've never done a debate before.
First of all, I've I've never debated anyone who I consider to be part of the regime.
If that makes sense.
Dennis Prager is probably the closest, but even Dennis Prager, I don't know that I'd say he is like the regime.
Chris Cuomo, I just consider to be the regime, like as much as anybody else.
He might as well be the Secretary of State, as far as I'm concerned.
He's like, you were the number one show on cable news, or I'm sorry, not on Fox News, but you were the number one show on CNN through the whole COVID insanity.
You were the brother of the biggest lockdown governor.
You're a part of this thing.
So there's a certain, there's a level of hatred that I have for the regime.
And I've never really, like I've debated other people before who I didn't like, but it's never quite been like this.
I've also never really debated anyone before where the topic is them, if that makes sense.
You know, I'll debate somebody on the war and I'm making this argument about the war and they're making a different argument about the war.
And I'm, it's my argument versus their argument.
But in this instance, it was him.
It was the guy.
And, you know, I, there's a weird feeling about doing something like this.
So I didn't, I did not enjoy the experience.
I didn't enjoy the show.
I enjoyed the opportunity to do something that I thought was important to do.
I enjoyed hanging with everybody after the show.
I enjoyed, you know what I mean?
Like there, I, and I very much enjoyed the response to it.
I enjoyed that there were a lot of people who felt that cathartic moment that I was hoping they would have that I think they deserve to have.
So that part I enjoyed, but the actual show of it was uncomfortable and infuriating and a lot of things that just I wouldn't describe as fun.
It's also, there's kind of a dark energy about publicly humiliating a person.
And, you know, I've, I've embarrassed some people who I've debated before because they were totally unprepared to debate me or I exposed that like they, you know, they really didn't know what they were talking about or something.
That's a little bit different than this.
This was me like really destroying the man.
And I don't, there's something dark about that.
Like I don't particularly like doing that.
But I'll tell you, as the debate started and we started to get into it, I was, even though it look, it was a little bit of a surreal moment, right?
Because we've been doing this show for so many years, Rob, and such a major focus on it is how dishonest the corporate media is.
So first off, there's something a little bit surreal that, you know, it's, it's a mix of like my rise in profile and his fall from grace that somehow now we're meeting at this place where me and Chris Cuomo are on a stage together.
It's just kind of bananas.
I mean, like it was only four years ago that the whole COVID thing started.
You know, it's four years ago.
This guy's the number one show on CNN and me and you are broadcasting from lockdowns.
And the idea that I would ever get a stage with this guy three hours to go one-on-one with him would have just been like inconceivable.
And here we are just a few years later and it's it happened.
So I'm in this surreal moment.
And then the other thing that really blew me away, even though I, for a living, talk about how dishonest the corporate media is, it just, I was kind of, I had to take a step back and kind of be like, wow, I was just, I was blown away with how comfortable he was with lying.
It's a weird thing.
And I'm not, I'm not saying like none of us ever tell a lie, particularly white lies.
I'm sure you tell all the time, you know, like it happens.
Every time I'm on the phone with my mother.
Yeah.
Well, but you know what I mean?
Like there's, we all tell our mothers white lies or whatever, you know, like whatever.
You tell your girlfriend she looks like great in an outfit that you don't really love or something like that.
You know what I mean?
Like we all like, I'm not saying we never do that.
I think you should try not to as much as possible within reason and not without hurting people's feelings needlessly.
But I mean, I'm talking about like on major issues, like where like, watch the debate, he's just being so dishonest and sticking to it.
And it was lying in a way that I suppose works in the corporate media, but it doesn't work when you got me in front of you and then you have a moderator in Patrick Bet David who's being a fair moderator.
So he'll come in and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but Chris, you know, come on, none of that adds up with what, you know, and it's just totally comfortable lying.
I would call him on these lies and I feel like, I mean, listen, obviously I'm biased in how I feel the thing went.
You're getting my perspective and I'm one of the participants in the debate.
But again, the poll with almost 30,000 people did have 96% saying I won it.
And to me, and you tell me if you haven't watched it or if you have, it was like it was lying like the way a third grader lies when everybody knows they didn't do it.
You know what I mean?
Like everyone here knows you're lying.
I clearly just caught you in a lie.
He would not back down.
And the other thing that I guess there were two other things that kept fueling my anger throughout the thing was number one, that not only was Chris Cuomo shirking all responsibility off of himself, but he was also doing the thing that all of these guys always do, which is like putting the blame on everyone else, including all of us who were right about this stuff.
He'd constantly start, you know, he'd take all these little shots at me about how, oh, I just, I, I just want clicks and attention.
He would turn to the audience and say that they're just angry.
They just want to own the other side.
They just want to dunk on the other side.
They don't really want to find solutions.
And it's like, first of all, you know, and I said about it something along these lines in the debate, I go, it's really, you know, it's something for you, Chris Cuomo, to tell me that all like I have these impure motives and I'm not motivated by just what I believe in or what I think the truth is, but instead I'm motivated by some other self-serving force when you literally were collecting CNN checks and never once said anything controversial,
made sure you never said anything that would put those checks at risk.
And now that those checks have dried up, you'll come over here and say a lot more of the truth.
But that, you know, it's like crazy that you get to accuse someone else of like impugn someone else's motives and then like to turn to the crowd and tell them, oh, they're just angry and just want to dunk on the other side when we should be having a nuanced conversation.
Never Said Omicron Lies00:02:07
Like, well, that's interesting.
That's not how you sounded at CNN.
That's not what you were saying.
There was never a time during vaccine passports where you were going, hey, look, we have to have a nuanced conversation.
We're not trying to just dunk on the other side.
There are probably cases where people don't really need to get vaccinated.
There was never a moment like that on CNN during the height of this stuff.
Never a moment.
It was just ruthlessly shaming them.
And then, of course, so that got me pretty pissed off.
And then also just the, you know, the montages that Pat was playing of them all just shaming the unvaccinated just really, I mean, it started really pissing me off as I was watching that.
I'm like, forgetting how angry all that stuff makes me.
Cause like you're, I don't know, you're talking about, first of all, you're talking about my family.
You're talking about a lot of my close friends.
And I just take that very personal.
And particularly when we were so clearly right.
Like, I'm not even trying to get into the weeds of like the deepest weeds of the science here, but I think it's pretty reasonable to say at this point, looking back, even giving the benefit of the doubt of there was no way to know at the time, which there was, and that's why we knew it at the time.
But let's just say a young, healthy person during Omicron.
Are you really telling me it made sense for that person to get vaccinated to take whatever the risks are of this vaccine versus the risks of the Omicron variant?
Like, what was the death rate for young, healthy people of the Omicron variant?
Like statistically completely zero, essentially, right?
Like it was a rounding error.
Like there were, there just weren't young, healthy people dying from the Omicron variant.
And that was the variant, by the way, when the vaccine passports were being pushed.
So that's the reason I use that.
So anyway, it was just all this stuff just kind of just made me angry.
And yeah, there were just, I think there were just a lot of moments that looked really bad for him.
Nowhere to Run from Truth00:03:26
And I think he knew that.
I think pretty quickly into the debate, he knew what this was.
I don't, I'll give him credit for doing it.
I give Patrick David a ton of credit for doing it.
I think that the people who were very upset with Pat for hiring Chris, I do understand where they were coming from.
I'd hope after that debate that they would rethink that a little bit and go, look, man, that's the, listen, there should be a lot more.
People should go to jail over the over COVID tyranny.
I don't know that we'll ever get that.
We got this.
We certainly deserve a lot more of these with a lot more of the major figures in, you know, who were responsible for the insane hysteria.
But I don't think we've had any other ones.
And if it wasn't for Pat hiring this guy and then setting it up with me, we wouldn't have had this one.
So I certainly think it was.
It was nice.
And I'll say this, it's not just that it was a cathartic moment that made a lot of people who opposed COVID tyranny feel better.
I do think there's value in that.
I'm not trying to downplay that.
I think they deserve that.
Like our team deserves to have a moment like that.
But I also think that it kind of, it was an interesting opportunity for me.
And Rob, tell me if this makes sense, if the way I'm saying, but you know, like if you imagine if there was like a bully who's like intimidating everybody, but they really can't fight.
They don't know how to fight.
And you're like the guy who's like, yo, I'm going to step up and show you guys that like this guy can't fight.
He can't fight for shit.
And you just get in a fight with him and fuck him up.
And there's something where it lets everybody know.
It's like, oh, oh, he had nothing.
Like he had this mental control over me, but he has nothing, nothing at all.
And I thought there was something about that that I was kind of proud that I think I was able to demonstrate that a little bit, because it's really not that I'm so brilliant or I have this unbelievable ability to debate or something like that.
It's just that this guy, it's all smoke and mirrors.
It's the end of Wizard of Oz, right?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
It's all a big show.
He's on there with CNN with the big graphics and the suit and tie in the high-rise building.
And he's got this guy in a suit and tie who's an expert.
And then him and Don Lemon are just laughing at Joe Rogan or whatever, you know?
But as soon as he just had to push, you know, like as soon as he had, I had three hours, you know, I had him having three hours in a debate, like ad free on an internet show with a fair moderator.
It's like having somebody in an open field.
Like there's nowhere to run.
There's nowhere to hide.
He, one of his techniques that he started using at the very beginning, and I could see it immediately in his first answer was, oh, he's going to try to filibuster.
He's going to try to ramp for as long as he can and make as many claims in there.
And then it puts you in this position where you have to remember each thing that he said to try to go back one by one.
But right away, I was just like, dude, you got three hours.
You know, it's like if you have somebody in an open field and they're going to try to run from you, it's like, okay, how long can you run for?
Because I got three hours with you here.
There's no way you're going to get away from this.
Like, I'm just, I'm not going to let you do it.
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So anyway, I did think it was cool to be able to demonstrate to everybody.
Like when I sit here in my garage and you're in your, you know, we're in our studios and we're talking about the corporate media and like tearing them apart and all of this.
It's not just posture.
Like I'll take any one of these guys on and their arguments collapse.
And that's not a comment on me.
It's a comment on them.
They've got nothing.
And so I thought almost aside from the COVID thing, there was something else that I thought was really cool that I was able to demonstrate by doing it, which is just like how much this whole thing is a house of cards.
There's nothing to it.
There's nothing.
You could blow on it and it falls over.
They have no answer to the easy retort.
Look, this is part of the reason why, what's his name?
Matt Walsh, why his documentary, What is a Woman, was so powerful.
There's a reason why it was important to do that because he just kind of demonstrated, even though you may all, you may understand already a lot of stuff about, say, the trans issue.
You may know how you feel about it, but it was still something valuable for Matt Walsh to demonstrate to everybody that he can go around to all of the supposed experts on the topic, ask them the most rudimentary question on the topic and just watch them all flounder with nothing.
They have nothing.
And it was like that.
Like I, that's kind of how I felt through the thing.
I think what kills the, what kills these guys on the, particularly the COVID topic, is that they try and play the card of no one really knew this information at the time.
It was a health emergency.
And so I'm relaying to you what the health experts were telling me.
The problem with that argument is that there were too many things taking place during COVID that just defied common sense.
And I'm not even going to get into the topic of like the little things that you would have had to research, such as pitching the vaccines with the relative risk reduction versus the absolute risk reduction.
Fine.
Maybe you don't do your homework on that.
Or maybe you don't do the homework on why there were more deaths in the category of people who were vaccinated in the study group.
And you didn't actually read the study.
Fine.
Let's shelve all of that.
Let's shelve all the research that we did and just look at some of the common sense things like, wait a second, why are the nurses getting fired if they're not getting vaccinated?
Is there no concept of natural immunity?
Why do we have to force compliance upon this group?
How come if I sit down in a restaurant and I take off my mask once I'm seated, that science and that works?
And wait, do these masks even work if you're not wearing an N95?
And wait, hold on a second.
If the vaccine prevents infection, why does it matter if other people decided not to get vaccinated?
Aren't you protected anyways?
Why do we have to punish these individuals?
Are kids at risk for serious illness or death that we need to be keeping them out of schools or forcing them to get vaccinated in order to return to their schools?
Or wait a second.
If we need a socially distance, why is it that you can sit on a plane?
Or why is it that you can go outside and riot?
Or wait a second.
Yeah, there's so many things like this.
I mean, look, look, dude, I mean, I remember, and by the way, I'll just, in a side, before I just continue on this, but one of the things I thought was interesting too is that, you know, Chris Cuomo was like, he was like, well, look, I mean, this isn't an issue that people are really interested in anymore.
You know, you poll people, they care about the economy, immigration.
They don't really care about this.
And to just see how much this debate is blowing up, it's like, oh, no, actually, that's not true.
It's just that people have never gotten this opportunity, which they should have gotten so many times by now with far more qualified people than me.
The truth, I was able to do the job, right?
Because this is just so easy.
It's such low-hanging fruit.
But like, no, as soon as you gave people an opportunity to watch this, people were very interested in this.
I've been trending on Twitter for 48 hours.
The show is crushing it.
There's clips all over the place are super viral with millions of views on them.
But people are actually very interested.
And to your point, look, there were so many things like this all throughout COVID.
I mean, I remember, in fact, I remember with me and you going through the data, which was, I believe, in the, I'd have to go back and check, but I believe this was in the first two weeks of April when we were going through the data that the New York city government had put out.
And they just basically put out a simple table of COVID deaths and what their ages were.
You know, and if you remember at the time, if you could picture March and April of 2020, this is when New York City was dubbed the epicenter of the pandemic.
This is where the most cases and the most deaths were was in the, you know, understandably in this incredibly densely populated big city.
With old people being sentenced old age homes.
Well, yes, that turns out that was a part of it also.
But early in February and in early March, there were people kind of speculating about what risk babies and little kids were at with the virus.
And there were different epidemiologists with different theories.
Some of them were saying, oh, I think the kids are at risk.
And that by, again, this was at latest the second week in April.
And you looked at it and it was like, oh, that's completely disproven.
You already had, you know, I forget the exact number, but there were like a few thousand deaths already.
And it was enough of a sample size to take a look at it.
And it was like all old people.
You know, like how many kids five and younger have died?
Zero.
Zero.
How many, you know, like young people between 20 and 5 had died?
Two.
And they were very sick.
You know what I mean?
Like it was the dad was just, so right away, if you were being honest, you just took that in and you went, oh, okay, now there's new information that we have.
Old, sick people are the ones who are at risk of dying from this.
And then it was like the corporate media just never adjusted to that.
Never adjusted.
They kept a year later, two years later, they were still talking as if it was equal for everybody.
And yeah, you know, to your point, I'm sorry, but like the job is if you, you know, if there's something that on its face is so absurd, something like this vaccine is so effective that you have nothing to worry about.
It's safe and effective.
And that's why we have to force you to take it to protect the people who are vaccinated.
Right away, you have to go, no, I have some questions.
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I have some questions about that.
You know, there's a lot of times, say like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, right?
Their defense or their line when they were beating the war drums for Iraq was, you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.
And if you question this war, you're giving aid and comfort to the terrorists.
And that would be enough for any honest journalist.
If you're looking at it, the first thing you go is, you go, no, no, that's bullshit.
Now, that doesn't necessarily in itself prove that we shouldn't fight this war.
But the first thing, if you're an honest person, you go, no, someone could oppose the war and not support terrorists.
I don't have an IQ of 80.
I can grapple with the nuance of like, you could want to kill terrorists and think this is not the right war.
So it's think, there were just things like that constantly through COVID.
The whole thing was totally based on pseudoscience.
Go ahead.
There's two more things that I'd really like to address, but before we do, I think Brian, we're doing the live experiment and I think we got to roll an ad.
Were we cutting in ads?
How are we doing?
Are we supposed to be taking an ad break live?
Are we supposed to do it live?
I think we probably were supposed to already do one and I just didn't.
Brian, are you still with us?
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Okay, in Brian's defense, he has been messaging me ads constantly throughout this thing.
I thought I had it in big, like full screen and the chat wasn't popping up.
It usually it usually pops up.
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We'll get some more in here, Brian.
We can squeeze them in.
Just tell me.
I got it.
I got it up now.
You just tell me when we should get the next one in.
So anyway, go ahead, Rob.
One of the moments of the debate that I thought was very interesting was in the later rounds, it seemed like he really folded and wilted.
And by the end of the debate, he was essentially saying, hey, listen, I had a job on CNN and we have to tell our audience what our audience likes to hear.
That's what the job is.
This is what they wanted to hear.
So that's why I said it.
Which firstly, you're just saying that you're saying what might not be true, what isn't what you believe, what you know is dishonest.
But hey, I get a paycheck and the paycheck is that I'm supposed to say these things because it's what the audience wants to hear.
So that's why I do it.
So firstly, he conceded, hey, I'm on air and I'm lying to people because that's the job.
He didn't say it in those terms, but that's what he's saying.
But what's interesting is even in that, it's a favorable description of what actually happens at CNN, which is no, it's the propaganda network where you repeat over and over the things that you want to indoctrinate human civilization to believe.
And even in the face of dying ratings, the CIA slash Boeing and other companies will spend enough money so you get to wear the fancy suit.
You get to look like you still have the credibility.
You get to have the big paycheck and we can all pretend like this is still important and relevant while you just keep repeating to us things like the most recent story, which might even be a good segue is Donald Trump, first ever criminal, indicted, found guilty.
Or when he's a Russian asset, Russian asset, Russian asset, protect your grandma, protect your grandma.
That's the game is how many times can you repeat these things so that we start, I mean, even myself, during COVID, I was not a guy that participated in COVID.
I went out there.
I porched stored.
You can come join me.
I didn't participate.
When I got COVID the first time, was I more afraid than a common flu or whatever?
Hell yeah.
I called up Dr. Krim right away.
Hey, am I going to die?
Because I've been thinking a lot of shit about this thing not being a big deal.
And I'd feel like a real asshole if I died.
And you know why?
Because their trick even worked on me that once I finally got sick, I was like, oh, I've been hearing about this a lot and I've seen a lot of really bad things.
That's the real business is that you're paying a lot of money to keep repeating it to try and impose onto us that it is true.
Listen, that was also part of the surreal feeling of debating, Chris Cuomo.
And I've explained this.
I've tried to be really honest about this with my audience because I try to always be honest with our audience.
I think that's my sole obligation in this world.
And there is something really, even for someone like me who is constantly for years telling you how full of shit the corporate press is, there was something about being in that moment and just handling this guy so easily that you're like, wait, really?
That's it?
You got nothing?
It was every bit as nothing as I thought.
It was really quite something.
Anyway, I want to play one of the clips that I think is kind of sums up the show better than anything else.
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Okay, so we're going to, by the way, I will get to all the super chats before we wrap.
So, but let's play this clip from the debate.
Again, this has been going super viral, has millions and millions of views on it already.
And I thought this did kind of sum up the whole thing.
So let's play that.
I should apologize.
So what do you think I should apologize for?
And then I'll tell you what I think you should apologize.
I know what you think I should apologize for.
Obviously, there was so much talk that they don't want you to take Ivermectin.
Ivermectin is the way to go take it.
Joe Rogan got better from Ivermectin.
And by the way, I don't like what people did to Joe Rogan about Ivermectin.
I don't know.
You did it.
No, no.
Yes, you did.
Find the clips.
Dude, find the clips.
You shamed Joe Rogan.
Find the clip.
You said he's taking horse dew.
You and Don Lemon were chuckling at each other about it.
I'll go find you just saw the clip.
I'm not chuckling.
I'm listening to Don.
No, no, no.
Here's what I'm talking about wasn't on there.
It's absolutely there.
Oh, here, do we have it?
Hold on.
Let's play the clip.
Getting, injecting drugs for animals and horse.
And people telling them to.
Oh, my God.
What person, you know, you talk about like, you know, cancel culture and who to shame.
Ivermectin, a dewormer?
Really?
They are shaming themselves.
That's what it is.
They're shaming themselves.
So you're taking a dewormer right now.
This is the same thing.
You can't apologize for that.
You weren't being clear that it was this, and you know that, dude, you're being so dishonest right now.
I'm not talking about that.
You were talking about Ivermectin, the drug.
You were not talking about this version of Ivermectin.
Come on.
I was responding to a situation where we were told that this is what people were searching out to take, and nobody knew what it was going to do to them.
Look, I'm taking the drug right now.
Obviously, I don't think it's all poison.
I stopped calling it the horse drug when, and you can not like it, CNN's chief.
You could end it there.
He basically says Dr. Gupta at some point told him not to.
But I just thought that moment was like the whole, it just summed up the whole debate.
So first of all, he goes, he starts, he blames everybody else.
I didn't like how they were attacking Joe Rogan.
And I was like, that was you.
You were attacking Joe Rogan.
Then he goes, no, I wasn't.
And I go, yeah, you were yucking it up with Don Lemon and attacking Joe Rogan.
By the way, this was only one of the many clips that they pulled.
There was a ton more that people have been sending me since the debate.
And he just says, no, that never happened.
Then we play the clip of exactly that happening.
Clearly.
Then he moves to, oh, no, no, no.
He was just telling people not to take ivermectin, the ones that's for animals.
I was just telling you, don't take the one that a veterinarian would prescribe, but not the one that a doctor would prescribe.
And you're like, dude, so you just lied through your teeth.
Now, proof.
Now move to another lie through your teeth.
To the point that the audience is going, like, literally, I heard people in the audience literally going, oh, come on.
Like, it was, it was like that.
It was just so bizarre and kind of surreal to see where you're just like, wow, man, like you really are.
It was like a little kid, man.
It was like a little kid who's caught in his lie, completely busted, and is like, I'm just not backing off of this.
I'm doubling down.
Hopefully the internet can cut up more of what was said and find more of the clips of him saying things that he was trying to attribute to other people because I'm sure there's 45 of these moments.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
No, there's, I mean, I could guarantee you there's a whole lot of them.
Okay.
All right.
Let's.
Say one last thing about the dark energy of it.
I kind of feel like it's like when someone gets tossed out of the mob and prosecutors actually get evidence on him and they're like, why don't you turn on the mob?
And they refuse.
And you're like, well, all right, I guess you're going to have to go to jail.
I feel like that's kind of what happened here.
Him and his brother, they seemed to get too powerful.
His brother was looking a little bit too presidential.
They took him out with some claims of sexual assault that then instantly went away once he left office.
And Cuomo seemed to lose his job as well.
And this was his opportunity to go, hey, here's the way that this system really works.
Here's why I was saying all the things that I was saying.
Here, like he could give you the inside scoop.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like the book Fallacies and Economic Hitman or whatever the title of that thing is.
Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
Where he worked in that field and then he went, hey, here's the playbook.
This was evil.
This is, and so it's kind of redeeming because he goes, this is the playbook.
This is what they are doing.
And it is terrible.
And I was a part of it.
This was his opportunity to go, I was there for the ride.
And here's why I was doing it.
And here's how they do it.
And, you know, you could shed some light on the evil of the corporate press and the way that it basically indoctrinates those to be compliant with government, even when government's not working in their best interest.
Yeah, I think that's right.
And it kind of revealed a little bit of like what his game plan here is.
And it seems like that the game plan is kind of like he wants to not alienate himself from being able to like get another CNN type job or being able to like still be in with the establishment rather than making the decision, I'm going to turn on the whole establishment and really give the dirt about them.
I'll tell you, if it hadn't been, if I hadn't been just like destroying the guy so much in the debate, I probably would have tried to grab him afterward and because I really would have been interested to ask, but I wasn't in a position where he was going to like tell me anything.
But I would have really liked to ask.
So like, hey, so what really happened?
You know, like, what did you guys really do that they decided you're out?
Because clearly there's something that happened behind the scenes.
There was some type of power play there.
And I don't know what it is, but there's just no question that something there happened.
So anyway, I would be really curious to find that out.
But yeah, look, he's, it's, it's pretty clear that, you know, like in your example with the mob boss, you know, the difference there is that he's not going to jail.
The only real consequence here is that he had to take his lickings and get humiliated in front of a lot of people.
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Like, you know, that does suck, but it's not like, I don't know, he gets to keep the tens of millions of dollars he made off CNN and he gets to keep his, you know, his fancy house and his fancy cars and fancy clothes and stuff.
So it's like, yeah, he's just like, nope, not going to do it.
Not going to incentivize these guys to come at me any harder.
So I think that was kind of the decision he made.
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Okay, you know what?
I guess what we're going to do here is we're going to have to do super chats and then we will discuss the Trump convictions.
We're recording another episode tonight that'll be out shortly.
So, we'll bump because we're just going a lot longer than I thought we were going to go.
So, let's jump to some super chats because I do want to make sure that I get to all of those.
So, okay, here we go.
John Doe says, Hey, Dave, can you give a short analysis of the Gaza developments?
Also, your thoughts on UFC 302.
Oh, you know what?
We'll probably save the Gaza stuff for the next episode, too, because there's not too much time to get into that.
I mean, in short, you know, it's a continuation of the same.
Israel is doing real, real bad.
In terms of UFC 302, I was only there for the co-main and the main event after I rushed over from our show in Atlantic City.
Look, man, as far as the main event goes, Islam Makachev is just a goddamn beast.
I mean, Dustin Poirier was fighting about as good a fight as he could have fought, defending on the ground.
You know what I mean?
Dealing with being put in the worst positions and getting out of them, and then started stuffing takedowns and started to establish his striking, hurt Islam, cut him up, busted him up, had him tired.
Man, he just happened to get a hold of his neck right at the end there.
I thought it was a very close fight until that.
So, great fight.
Dustin Poirier is one of my favorite fighters ever.
But that Islam Makachev is a beast.
And yeah, I thought Sean Strickland won and Paula Costo looked trigger shy throughout the whole fight.
Okay, let's go to the next super chat.
Shameless plug for Tom Wood's book, Diary of a Psychosis.
It's a great read.
Well, yeah, I got a nice shameless plug for that book out there, too.
I was happy to be able to give that to Cuomo.
I wonder if he'll actually read it.
Run your mouth.
I got to start writing books.
Yeah, there you go.
Your interview with Tucker was for the ages.
Well, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
I enjoyed that one a lot.
All right.
What do we got next?
Man, I like how these dropped off in value.
We got another $10 one.
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King Boomer for $10 says he literally gets caught lying less than five seconds later and refuses to admit he lied or did anything wrong.
The fact that guys like Cuomo persuade people that their BS is true is infuriating.
Yep.
I don't know if I could add too much to that, but I agree.
All right.
Simkelpin writes, feels like the natural progression for your next debate opponent could be Sam Harris.
Of all the things you disagree with him on, what topic would you choose to debate with him?
Oh, that's a good question.
I'm sure we could debate a lot of things.
I'm sure the war in Gaza right now probably would be a good one.
Any of the COVID stuff, his support for torture and the terror wars in general, new atheism.
I mean, I'd be down to debate him on any of those topics.
That'd be a good time.
Right, Dave, though, if we had just tortured people a little bit differently.
Yeah, that's right.
All right.
Honestly, he's certainly verbally more talented than someone like Chris Cuomo, but I also think it's a total house of cards and it'd be pretty easy to take it apart.
All right, let's go to another one.
Fredo Cuomo doesn't deserve any more attention.
He's made the rounds.
He had his own platform.
So let people see him there.
No one should ever host him again.
Well, I mean, I've never hosted him, so that's not my debate.
Possible MMT debate with any leftist.
Sure, I'd be down to do a MMT modern monetary theory.
I'd be down to debate someone on that.
I think usually those debates are probably left better for people who are a little bit technically stronger in economics than me, but I'd be down to do that.
Dr. Murphy.
Yeah.
I'm going to take people on Twitter to task for that.
Bob Murphy would be great to debate that topic on.
Okay.
We got any more super chats.
CNN should hire Cuomo again.
Yeah, he would probably fit back there.
He would probably fit in good.
My reaction to your debate just hit the algo.
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So thanks.
Okay.
I don't know what that means.
All right.
Let me read this.
The most revealing moment was when he said nobody at the National Institute for Health was against lockdowns.
Journalism is supposed to find the truth, not parrot the narrative.
Yeah.
No, I completely agree.
And of course, you know, I said, I brought up the Great Barrington Declaration at one point, and he goes, well, that was a fringe opinion.
You know, like, it was like, how many people signed on to that thing?
It was dozens, right?
And it was like dozens of like world-renowned experts.
Like, what?
But that's not following the science.
It was just like the bottom line.
He's just full of shit.
He's just full of shit.
His whole arguments were full of shit.
He was full of shit then and he's full of shit on Pat's show.
Okay.
Are those all the super chats?
Oh, do we have a, I think we have one more ad that we should play now?
Do we do them all, Brian, or do we have one more?
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Brian is saying we have one more.
So let's do one more.
And then if anyone else wants to get a super chat, then I'll read the rest of the super chats before we wrap up.
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All right, let's do the rest of the super chats and then we will call this a wrap.
Call this a show, whatever.
Okay.
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Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I have not read that book, but I guess if I'm guessing from the title, it's that there's positives that come out of failure.
So there's no question about that.
That's definitely true.
So thank you.
I appreciate that.
What is this live?
I've waited for years for this moment.
I created the King of the Cock moniker in the old part of the problem Facebook group before we got suspended.
No love at all.
Sad.
Well, Omega Supreme with cheese.
Is that true?
Did he create that?
He hasn't been getting credit all these years.
I don't remember where it came from.
I'll just say you're right.
You created the King of the Cocks, Monika.
Good for you.
Yeah, I missed that old group.
Maybe we'll have another group coming up soon.
Big things happening at part of the problem.
Cuomo is a CIA asset or employee.
Thanks for roasting him.
Well, I don't know if that's true, but if he was, it wouldn't look much different than it does.
And no problem.
Happy to do so.
All right.
We got any more?
Seriously, thank you, Dave, for taking on these schmucks.
When you leave, who's going to fill your shoes?
Robbie, where do you have me leaving?
Where am I going?
How much younger than me do you think Robbie is that I'm going to go and Rob's going to have to carry on my legacy?
He's five years younger than me.
He's freaking, we're going to go around the same level.
Rob's three years older.
I don't know about that, buddy.
All right.
So good to have a live part of the problem.
Dave, have you ever thought about interviewing other libertarian parties from other nations?
Sure.
Yeah, I'm open to doing it.
I don't know.
You know, I'd be interested to have someone Javier would be interesting.
Well, I'd certainly be interested.
I mean, I don't think he's in a libertarian party, but I'd certainly be interested if it was like something that, you know, was a topic that I found, you know, interesting to discuss.
But yeah, I'm open to it.
All right.
You should bring back Seifodine Amos for a Bitcoin podcast.
I am going to.
We 100% will be doing that.
So look out for that.
The Cuomo debate was the most pissed off I've ever seen you, Dave.
You did a good job being fired up, but not going over the edge and losing your cool.
Thank you from all of us.
Yeah, I definitely had to work to make sure I didn't because I really was.
Nearly Gene Epstein on the guy.
I almost, yeah, I almost went.
I almost went full Epstein on the guy and not the Epstein you're thinking of, our friend, Gene.
Did you see Patrick Bet David absolutely embarrass himself talking to Thomas Rousseau?
I have not seen that.
I don't know what the reference is.
But there you go, Jimmy.
I'll take your word for it.
Dave, your best line at the debate was, all we get is you.
That perfectly summed up my frustrations because after four years of no accountability, all we get is Cuomo getting embarrassed by you.
Yeah, look, from my perspective, as I said, that was pretty weird from my perspective too.
Like it's pretty crazy that this is what we got and then it falls to me to be the one to do it.
But I hope I made you guys at least somewhat, you know, satisfied with capitalizing on that opportunity.
All right.
Any more, Brian?
Are we done?
Oh, here you go.
Wish you guys debated the Trump said drink bleach hoax.
That's my most overt lie, clearly done intentionally.
Yeah, I would say that there were several things like that where they just clearly took what he was saying completely out of context and in the least charitable light at all.
But yeah, you're right.
That one was a hoax for sure.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
You have given me faith in the Libertarian Party.
All right.
Does that joke?
We can't end on that one.
There got to be one more super chat.
This super chat came in from 2002 or 2022.
It came right down.
It's been sitting here for a while.
All right.
Wish you guys debated the Trump said.
Oh, we just did that one.
Yeah.
All right.
Is that all of them, Brian?
I think, I think it is.
That's like leaving the basketball court practicing with a missed shot.
Yeah, there you go.
All right.
Well, listen, thank you guys all very much for hanging out with us.
We will be, me and Rob will be jumping back on in a few hours to record another one.
This next one won't be live, but we'll be recording another one that'll be out soon.
I'll make sure we have our, you'll get all your part of the problem episodes this week.
Apologies for the interruptions in schedule, but you know, if it, I did do Tucker Rogan, Open for Trump, and debate Chris Cuomo.
So I gave you guys some good content this month.
All right.
I love you guys.
I'll talk to you soon.
What's the website again for the summer porch tour?
Porchtore.com and the run your mouth podcast.
Check it out.
All right.
And of course, Comic Dave Smith for all of me and Rob's dates that we're doing together.