Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Hillary Clinton Won't Go Away
Aired: 2024-05-13
Duration: 01:02:51


=== Welcome to Part of the Problem (01:50) ===

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[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:36]  I am Dave Smith.
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[00:00:48]  I really wanted to, I thought in my mind, I was going to smooth it out.
[00:00:51]  Like Marty Janetti and Sean Michaels.
[00:00:54]  Dynamic truth duo.
[00:00:56]  Yeah, there you go.
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=== Vivek Ramaswamy Debate Details (14:32) ===

[00:01:51]  They're not at the same time.
[00:01:52]  So you'll be able to make both if you want to.
[00:01:54]  Should be pretty interesting.
[00:01:55]  And then we got a bunch more stuff coming up.
[00:01:57]  I'll be all over the road with Robbie the Fire Bernstein, comicdavesmith.com.
[00:02:02]  And then, of course, Rob, you got, did you have anything else coming up before then?
[00:02:06]  Brooklyn, West Palm Beach, Chilton Burger, and hopefully doing some Suda Fed with Trump.
[00:02:11]  I want to party with the guy.
[00:02:12]  Maybe he comes in a night early.
[00:02:13]  Maybe.
[00:02:15]  He might.
[00:02:16]  I hear the guy likes to party with Suda Fed and a lot of McDonald's.
[00:02:20]  That's the word on the street.
[00:02:21]  That's a good time.
[00:02:22]  Yeah, sure is.
[00:02:24]  All right.
[00:02:25]  So it's, you know, it's really particularly because there's just been so much going on in the world and particularly, I guess, the obviously the wars in Ukraine and in Gaza and the protests and all of this stuff.
[00:02:43]  And there's a lot of that.
[00:02:43]  We'll probably get into some of it on the show today, too, because there's always more stuff developing.
[00:02:48]  But it is May.
[00:02:50]  It is already May in a presidential election year.
[00:02:54]  We're getting down into the real meat of election season.
[00:02:59]  And that means that Hillary Clinton has to pop back up.
[00:03:04]  Because even though she will never be president, she is, as we and many have said, the herpes of American politics.
[00:03:11]  She is never curable.
[00:03:13]  You can only hope to contain her.
[00:03:16]  Luckily, she is such a just unappealing, horrible person that she never actually became president, which surely would have been an absolute disaster.
[00:03:29]  She is kind of, I don't know.
[00:03:33]  You know, I want to be fair when I say, right?
[00:03:36]  Like, I'm trying to be fair and reasonable here.
[00:03:38]  I think herpes is a fair analogy, a fair comparison.
[00:03:41]  She's the biggest political loser in modern American history.
[00:03:46]  Like the, there's never been anyone who was set up for easier election outcomes.
[00:03:54]  Like, do you know she won her Senate seat because Rudy Giuliani had to drop out?
[00:04:02]  Like she, and then she just ran against a complete unknown.
[00:04:05]  Like she was gifted a Senate seat.
[00:04:06]  Then she was, she was, the red carpet was rolled out for her to be the Democratic nominee twice.
[00:04:15]  And she lost to a junior senator named Barack Hussein Obama.
[00:04:23]  And then she lost to a reality star.
[00:04:26]  Like she just, the biggest political loser.
[00:04:28]  She's been thoroughly rejected by the American people and somehow just refuses to go away.
[00:04:35]  It's just like, I think I should just keep giving my two cents.
[00:04:38]  This year, neither of the presidential candidates can actually campaign.
[00:04:41]  One because they're in court and the other one because he's incapable.
[00:04:44]  So it leaves an opening for other people to show up on television.
[00:04:48]  And she, man, she sniffed that opening out, didn't she?
[00:04:51]  Well, anyway, she was back on TV for some reason.
[00:04:55]  I have had many conversations, as you have had, with a lot of young people over the last many months now.
[00:05:02]  And you're right.
[00:05:03]  They don't know very much at all about the history of the Middle East or frankly about history in many areas of the world, including in our own country.
[00:05:13]  But with respect to the Middle East, they don't know that under the bringing together of the Israelis and the Palestinians by my husband, the then Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, the then head of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, then the Palestinian Authority, Yasser Arafat.
[00:05:37]  An offer was made to the Palestinians for a state on 96% of the existing territory occupied by the Palestinians with 4% of Israel to be given to reach 100% of the amount of territory that was hoped for.
[00:05:56]  And this offer was made.
[00:05:58]  And if Yasser Arafat had accepted it, there would have been a Palestinian state now for about 24 years.
[00:06:04]  All right.
[00:06:04]  So there is Hillary Clinton popping onto the scene to lecture young people about how they don't know their history while she gets the history completely wrong.
[00:06:17]  So there's a few things here to break down.
[00:06:21]  Number one, there's something kind of hilarious about one of the things that is, I must admit, in a kind of perverse way, one of the things that's enjoyable about Hillary Clinton is that she's just so bitter and resentful of not getting what she somehow seems to think is like her birthright of being the first female president.
[00:06:48]  Like this was decided in the 90s that she was going to be the first female president and it's been denied to her.
[00:06:54]  So she's got a beef with, and you know, this is, she wrote the book, What Happened, and she's gone around bitching and complaining about how she didn't really lose the election since she lost the election.
[00:07:06]  She, Hillary Clinton has a beef with young people because they abandoned her in both of her presidential campaigns.
[00:07:14]  Young people flocked to Barack Obama and they flocked to Bernie Sanders and they very thoroughly rejected Hillary Clinton.
[00:07:21]  It is the demographic that really destroyed her.
[00:07:24]  So she's not a big fan of the young people.
[00:07:27]  So I think that's part of what's going on here, even though obviously that's a demographic that is not permanent and is changing.
[00:07:34]  But anyway, don't you look, first of all, none of this is an accurate reflection of what happened during the peace process or at Camp David or any of that.
[00:07:46]  Doesn't it always, just say, doesn't it always sound a little ridiculous?
[00:07:49]  Like they're like, they offered Arafat everything he wanted and he said no.
[00:07:55]  Like he showed up to make a deal, got offered everything he wanted and said no.
[00:08:00]  Why?
[00:08:00]  So he would have been seen as the greatest hero in Palestinian history if this, if, if he had accepted what they claim he was offered here.
[00:08:11]  There's lots of problems with this.
[00:08:13]  It's just, it's not what actually happened.
[00:08:15]  As I've mentioned several times before, I think a pretty credible source on this is Shlomo Bename, who Jewish fellow, Rob.
[00:08:26]  And Shlomo Ben Ami was the foreign minister.
[00:08:31]  I think he was acting foreign minister at the time of the Camp David negotiations.
[00:08:36]  And he literally said, he said in his book, and I heard him say it on an interview on Democracy Now, that he would have turned the deal down too.
[00:08:46]  Because it wasn't simply that they offered Arafat everything he wanted.
[00:08:51]  They offered him with so many contingencies that the deal would have been unacceptable to anyone.
[00:08:59]  And also, I would note people can look that there's, I'm not sure if you've ever seen this, Rob, but there's a secret recording of Benjamin Netanyahu where he doesn't know he's being filmed and he's talking to a group of Israelis and he's bragging about how he put so many poison pills in the deal that basically they wouldn't have been getting a state at all.
[00:09:23]  That, you know, there's a, you know, he said that they basically said, oh, you can have the West Bank except for areas that are of military importance, but that Israel got to define what areas were of military importance.
[00:09:37]  And he decides.
[00:09:38]  So Jewish.
[00:09:39]  Yes.
[00:09:39]  And he decides that three quarters of the whole West Bank are of military importance.
[00:09:44]  So it's just, it's just not true that this deal was on the table.
[00:09:48]  But there is something funny, right?
[00:09:50]  About even because so much of the debate with Israel and Palestine comes down to the framework, like the lens that you choose to put around it, right?
[00:10:03]  So this happens all the time where, you know, the Israelis will say that they made a lot of concessions in the proposal that they made at Camp David or something like that.
[00:10:18]  And it's like, yeah, that is true technically, because like for there, they're like, well, what we want is all of the Palestinian land.
[00:10:26]  And we're willing to not take all of it.
[00:10:28]  So we made a lot of concessions.
[00:10:29]  You're like, yeah, but like what?
[00:10:31]  Your framework isn't like what's just or what's even in keeping with international law.
[00:10:37]  Your framework is just what you want.
[00:10:39]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:10:40]  You see, you can like say things that are kind of technically true if you look at them through a certain lens.
[00:10:46]  But if you look at it through a more reasonable lens, it's just, it's ridiculous.
[00:10:49]  So one of the things I just find funny is like, so Israel has kept the Palestinians a stateless occupied people since 1967.
[00:11:01]  And like, let's just say hypothetically this was true.
[00:11:05]  We offered them a deal 25 years ago and they turned it down.
[00:11:13]  So what?
[00:11:14]  You just get to occupy them forever?
[00:11:17]  Like, okay.
[00:11:19]  So is the deal on the table right now?
[00:11:20]  No, the deal's not on the table right now.
[00:11:22]  Cause we already, so if, if they had a leader that turned down a good deal once, that's it.
[00:11:28]  They're just for eternity to be kept as occupied people by a foreign military government.
[00:11:35]  Like, but isn't that just on its face so ridiculous?
[00:11:39]  Why do you even get to decide?
[00:11:41]  Why would you ever, how would we ever think of it?
[00:11:44]  Like, like if you were to imagine that like, I don't know.
[00:11:49]  It's like, you know, France were to say to us, you don't get to have a government anymore.
[00:11:56]  We are going to rule you.
[00:11:58]  And you were like, what?
[00:11:59]  No, you don't get to do that.
[00:12:00]  And they were like, well, we offered you a government 25 years ago and you turned it down.
[00:12:04]  It's like, what?
[00:12:05]  So what does that have to do?
[00:12:06]  So the conclusion from that isn't so you get to rule us forever.
[00:12:10]  It's our decision whether we want to have a government or not, right?
[00:12:14]  Or like what type of government we want to have.
[00:12:16]  It's all just so absurd.
[00:12:18]  Anyway, any thoughts, Rob?
[00:12:20]  I just love that they now have to shame the college kids, the branch that's usually the, you know, on their side that they're rallying behind.
[00:12:29]  It's about the kids.
[00:12:30]  But in this case, they're happy to go these, these dummies in college campuses.
[00:12:34]  Do you feel that way about the whole woke movement on college campuses?
[00:12:38]  Are you saying cross the board they're stupid?
[00:12:40]  Or they're just getting this one particular topic wrong?
[00:12:43]  Well, right.
[00:12:43]  I mean, and it's just been, to me, it's been, I know I mentioned this before on the show, but it's worth repeating.
[00:12:49]  But I like to watch the media coverage of these protests and then to see kind of like just again, it's like nobody's good with nuance anymore and everything's always black and white.
[00:13:04]  So it's like, oh, you're with these woke lefties or you against these woke lefties or something.
[00:13:09]  It's like, okay, look, obviously, me and Rob would have a lot of disagreements with a lot of these people at these protests.
[00:13:16]  And obviously, we can recognize that the universities in America have just been, have suffered through tremendous intellectual atrophy over the last few years.
[00:13:29]  And yeah, all of this woke shit is insane.
[00:13:31]  And a lot of these kids at these protests are looking at things through this woke worldview.
[00:13:36]  Oh, and by the way, a lot of people at the counter protests are looking at things through this crazy woke worldview.
[00:13:43]  However, you could also see there's already been like a few, I don't know if you've followed this, Rob, but a few like hoaxes that have been like the thing where some Jewish girl claimed that she was stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag.
[00:13:57]  And then there was like a well, there, yeah, there's like video of it and she's not even close, like the flag like brushes against her shoulder.
[00:14:04]  And then AOC on a January 6th type deal.
[00:14:07]  Yes.
[00:14:08]  And there's video of her like two days later and there's nothing wrong with her eye or whatever.
[00:14:12]  And then there's like congressmen who are repeating this claim.
[00:14:17]  Yeah.
[00:14:17]  It's like a Jussie Smollett, Nick Sarwalk type of type of deal.
[00:14:22]  So there's, look, the truth is that there have been some areas where there have been some students blocked from getting into the college buildings.
[00:14:33]  I'm not defending that necessarily, you know, like I don't think you should do that.
[00:14:39]  And there's, there's been a lot of controversy over the words that they're chanting, which also, by the way, I think some of their chants are stupid.
[00:14:48]  I certainly, like, if I was in charge of a protest movement, not that I ever would be or want to be, but I would, you know, like they can, you can make an argument that like, oh, when we say from the river to the sea, what we mean is not what Hamas means when they say from the river to the sea.
[00:15:07]  We just mean everyone should be free, you know?
[00:15:10]  But like, maybe just don't chant the same thing that Hamas chants.
[00:15:14]  You know what I mean?
[00:15:14]  Like maybe, maybe that's just not a good idea.
[00:15:16]  Maybe just find a different chant.
[00:15:17]  Maybe just chant end the occupation or end the war or ceasefire now or something.
[00:15:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:15:22]  So there's been some chance that I'm like, oh, and then there's been some over-the-top ones that are really bad.
[00:15:27]  But that's what the conversation is largely over.
[00:15:31]  What they're chanting.
[00:15:32]  And it's just hard as somebody who's, you know, I don't have the best memory in the world, but I do remember a long time ago.
[00:15:42]  Like four years ago where, for right around this time four years ago um, maybe not quite yet, it was a little later in the in the year but where there were these uh black lives matter, uh protests that devolved into riots every single night, every night, in major cities across the country, and there was just looting and murders and assaults and billions of dollars in property damage, and the entire corporate media sided with them,
[00:16:12]  defended them, called them mostly peaceful, stood in front of fires and called them fiery but mostly peaceful riots.

=== Oslo Accords Peace Process Failure (11:03) ===

[00:16:24]  And now to see that same corporate media apparatus trying to like demonize this as if like, as if there's anything like that going on right now and making that the story rather than the war that we're funding the story is just appalling.
[00:16:43]  So I got a, it was the, what was it, Camp David or something is where the Clinton thing went down.
[00:16:48]  So I'm, you're just much better on the history.
[00:16:50]  I remember once reading, I guess, that Clinton wanted a Nobel Peace Prize.
[00:16:55]  He got them together, they signed some document, and then they basically walked away with sheets of paper with them both saying, go fuck yourselves, knowing that it was complete optics.
[00:17:03]  And then Clinton got some Nobel Peace Prize and they all moved on with their lives.
[00:17:07]  I don't know what actually took place, but that's kind of the way it's logged in my memory.
[00:17:12]  So there's the Oslo Accords are the original one that where Clinton brought Yasser, excuse me, yes, Jesus, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin too.
[00:17:26]  And they came to the White House and shook hands.
[00:17:28]  And that's, I think, what you're referring to when they left with these pieces of paper.
[00:17:32]  But what the Oslo Accord basically said was that the Americans, and this was going back quite a while, this is back to the 70s, that Israel had agreed to give the Palestinians a state at some point.
[00:17:47]  And then the Oslo Accords was like, hey, okay, we're beginning the peace process.
[00:17:52]  So we're beginning this process.
[00:17:54]  And of course, ultimately, was Rabin assassinated?
[00:17:59]  Yes, he was ultimately Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli who was mad that he was beginning the peace process.
[00:18:08]  And this was also before, I guess, the suicide bombings became a thing.
[00:18:12]  And then you had like the Israel kind of put up a wall.
[00:18:16]  Well, okay, hold on.
[00:18:17]  So there's just to get the order correctly here, right?
[00:18:20]  So in the early 90s, the Oslo Accords are signed.
[00:18:26]  Then Camp David is in the year 2000.
[00:18:29]  So this is after, huh?
[00:18:31]  That's already after that stuff.
[00:18:33]  No, no, no.
[00:18:34]  Well, it's not the suicide bombing stuff that you're talking about.
[00:18:37]  You're referring to the second Antifada, which starts after the peace negotiations collapse.
[00:18:43]  So in 2000, they all went to Camp David.
[00:18:46]  This time it's Yasser Arafat and Ehud Barak's government.
[00:18:52]  And so, and this is when this is what I'm talking about when Shalomo Benami was like, listen, this deal, I would have turned down this deal if I were them too.
[00:19:00]  And it ends, and there is an excellent book here.
[00:19:02]  I actually happened to, I was just looking up to source it.
[00:19:06]  An excellent book called The Truth About Camp David by Clayton Swisher.
[00:19:09]  Highly recommend people read this.
[00:19:11]  And he conducted interviews with like a bunch of the major players in these Camp David negotiations.
[00:19:19]  And at the end of it, Yasser Arafat is the one who's insisting that they continue the negotiations.
[00:19:26]  And basically, the Israelis and the Americans stonewall him.
[00:19:29]  And then Bill Clinton threw him under the bus.
[00:19:32]  And then he goes, ah, we offered him everything he wanted and he just wouldn't take it.
[00:19:35]  And that's kind of how that became the story.
[00:19:38]  By the way, we're about to throw to another clip that's kind of interesting on this topic.
[00:19:42]  Then when the negotiations fell apart and it was clear that the peace process was not moving forward, this is this.
[00:19:52]  And then Sharon, who had come in, he went to the Temple Mount and that set off a big reaction.
[00:19:56]  And that's when the second Antifada kicked off.
[00:20:00]  And yeah, there was a ton of like terrorism and suicide bombings and stuff like this.
[00:20:08]  And it really did a lot to move like Israeli sentiment away from wanting to work out a deal for a two-state solution to being like, ah, we can't deal with these people.
[00:20:22]  Listen, it's an understandable reaction by some of the Israeli people.
[00:20:25]  You know, if you saw like a school bus blow up or a hospital or something like that, it's understandable to be like, yeah, there's no negotiating with them.
[00:20:32]  But it is also worth pointing out that while the peace process was going on, you didn't have intifadas like this.
[00:20:39]  And it was only once it collapsed and the hope for the Palestinians to ever get their freedom seemed out of reach that then people resort to terrorists.
[00:20:49]  And you've seen this over and over again over there, that like when there's massive Israeli bombing campaigns, support for Hamas goes up.
[00:21:00]  And when there's peace negotiations, support for them goes down.
[00:21:03]  And it's kind of understandable.
[00:21:06]  It's kind of true about all of us.
[00:21:07]  Like there's this rally around the flag effect.
[00:21:10]  And at the same time, when after October 7th, the amount of support for war in Israel goes way up.
[00:21:17]  And that's kind of the nature of humans, unfortunately, to some degree.
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[00:22:24]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:22:25]  Anyway, this is an old clip that's worth playing on this topic.
[00:22:30]  And don't get me wrong, a true villain of history here, Zbignou Brzezinski, but he is absolutely right on this.
[00:22:38]  And this was a moment that was, this was years ago, but it came up when Joe Scarborough tried to just give this Hillary Clinton level of analysis of what happened at Camp David.
[00:22:48]  And here's the clip.
[00:22:50]  What do we do the next time Israel is attacked from an outside force?
[00:22:59]  What do we do at that point?
[00:23:02]  That's the wrong question.
[00:23:03]  No, that's not the wrong question because we never get the condemnation of Hamas or Hezbollah.
[00:23:09]  It's always after Israel responds to defending us.
[00:23:12]  The problem is that this conflict has lasted for years and the United States has been largely passive.
[00:23:19]  So the right question is not what do we do when things break down.
[00:23:23]  The right question is what do we do to avoid a breakdown by being engaged seriously in the peace process?
[00:23:29]  And for the last eight years, we haven't been.
[00:23:31]  And that's why we have the mess like we have right now in our hands.
[00:23:36]  You can't blame what is happening in Israel right now in the Bush administration.
[00:23:40]  Yes, you can.
[00:23:40]  You can't.
[00:23:42]  Let's go back to 2000, Dr. Brzezinski.
[00:23:45]  You and I both know Bill Clinton gave Arafat and the Palestinians everything.
[00:23:50]  Such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you.
[00:23:56]  If you were to look more closely at what happened in the Clinton-Cam David discussions, you would not have what you have just said is absolutely wrong.
[00:24:05]  There were all sorts of provisions and catches to the so-called proposal, and it wasn't rejected.
[00:24:10]  The negotiations went on in Taba, and then there were elections in Israel, and Sharon came in, and everything got aborted.
[00:24:18]  In the last eight years, we had a policy in which we have proclaimed an interest in peace.
[00:24:24]  Condy Rice has traveled 16 times in 21 months to the region, proclaiming, you must do this, you must do that.
[00:24:31]  But the United States never exerted itself.
[00:24:34]  So the issue that Obama faces, and that's a question that you raised, is, are we going to be sitting there issuing condemnations, whether it's Hamas or Israel or anybody else, or are we going to be seriously engaged in the peace process?
[00:24:47]  That is the question.
[00:24:48]  We have another block, and I'm very excited about that because I'm stunningly superficial.
[00:24:53]  Chief, I look forward to you educating me and the rest of America, hold on, the rest of America and the rest of the foreign policy community who have said time and again, Arafat walked away from the best deal he could have got and that the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
[00:25:13]  He did not walk away.
[00:25:14]  What he said was, I'm going to take the proposal to all of the Arab capitals and see how they react because the proposals were controversial.
[00:25:22]  And then negotiations went on even after Christmas, where Clinton and Arafat met and they were going on in Taba in January after Clinton was already leaving office and then the process got aborted.
[00:25:35]  It's helpful to know a little bit about this.
[00:25:37]  This is very exciting, Chief, that you know things that the rest of the international community doesn't.
[00:25:43]  If you're going to judge your knowledge by the sort of collective standards of 300 million people, then don't be surprised that you're embarrassed.
[00:25:50]  I actually, I'm not embarrassed.
[00:25:51]  I read the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Foreign Affairs.
[00:25:54]  You know what I'm going to do?
[00:25:55]  I'm going to throw those away.
[00:25:56]  And anytime I have a question, I'm going to call you up.
[00:25:59]  I got to say, I thought it was pretty great, even though I'm no fan of Zbignubinski, but he's just clearly much smarter and much more well-informed on this stuff.
[00:26:07]  And it's like, yeah, this is just not.
[00:26:08]  So what Scarborough can cite is that he reads the New York Times and the Washington Post.
[00:26:14]  And this is what they told him happened.
[00:26:16]  That's like, yeah, because like you don't actually know anything about it.
[00:26:20]  You don't read books about this.
[00:26:22]  You read newspaper articles about it.
[00:26:24]  And then he said, oh, the intelligence community said, yeah, that's right.
[00:26:27]  They're all right.
[00:26:28]  Cause they're always so trustworthy and honest.
[00:26:30]  But Zbignubski is absolutely right.
[00:26:33]  And look, man, this is why you notice, and this is true, as I mentioned on the last episode, every time, every single time I've done one of these debates, and I've done a ton of them, the pro-Israeli side always wants to start at October 7th.
[00:26:48]  And the side that's critical of Israel always wants to say, hey, let's talk about the history of this.
[00:26:54]  This clip that we just played you was in 2008.
[00:26:58]  And Zbignubrzehinsky is rightly quite angry, for eight years we've abandoned the peace process.
[00:27:03]  And so they were talking about the, you know, like the conflict at the time.
[00:27:09]  And then he's like, look, for eight years, we've abandoned this peace process and things have just gotten so much worse.
[00:27:14]  That was 2008.
[00:27:15]  We never came back to the peace process after that.
[00:27:18]  It's just been on and on.
[00:27:20]  And Gaza, this entire time since that clip, Gaza's been living under a full blockade and complete domination of Israel.

=== Economic Pain and Fed Policy (15:38) ===

[00:27:27]  Okay.
[00:27:28]  So the point is just that, like, and again, this is not justifying Hamas, but this is like, yeah, you keep people in this type of situation of desperation and they will resort to violence.
[00:27:40]  And it's really sad that it's come to this point, but a lot, but anyway, the irony of all of this is Hillary Clinton coming out and lecturing these young people that they don't know anything about history when she's giving a completely whitewashed, false version of history, which is exactly what's led to this outcome.
[00:27:59]  That people like Hillary Clinton have been up there just saying, well, they got offered everything they wanted and they said no.
[00:28:04]  So therefore they get nothing, I guess.
[00:28:08]  Nothing for eternity.
[00:28:10]  Anyway, it is the whole thing is wild and deeply depressing, but Hillary Clinton's a liar, as always, and needs to be smacked down.
[00:28:24]  Okay, let's switch over to a topic more on the presidential election.
[00:28:31]  Rob, you were the one who actually sent me this clip.
[00:28:34]  I had missed it, but I did think it was interesting and worth playing because there's a couple things going on here.
[00:28:43]  Number one, Donald Trump, and you'll see this.
[00:28:48]  We have another video on this if we have time later.
[00:28:50]  But Donald Trump is because all of these court cases are so incredibly weak.
[00:29:01]  It's starting, people are starting to get nervous in the establishment that he might beat all of these charges.
[00:29:07]  He might beat all of them and make it to Election Day.
[00:29:12]  And if that happens, they know they're in trouble.
[00:29:17]  And so people are starting to freak out about that.
[00:29:21]  And the big problem that Joe Biden has here is that, and this is steady in the polls, this has really been the one thing that's been steady all year long, is that the two issues that people care about the most are the economy and immigration.
[00:29:37]  These are the biggest two issues.
[00:29:38]  And these are two huge losers for Joe Biden.
[00:29:42]  It's very, very difficult to win a presidential election when the biggest issues are things that you are just viewed as terrible on.
[00:29:53]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:53]  Like if abortion was the number one issue in the country right now, Joe Biden would probably be in a good spot, right?
[00:30:02]  Like it, but it's not.
[00:30:04]  It's the economy and immigration, two things he's absolutely offline.
[00:30:08]  Here is him addressing the number one issue, the economy.
[00:30:11]  So when you talk about the economy, of course, it is by far the most important issue for voters.
[00:30:16]  It's also true right now, Mr. President, that voters by a wide margin trust Trump more on the economy.
[00:30:22]  They say that in polls.
[00:30:24]  And part of the reason for that may be the numbers.
[00:30:27]  And you're aware of many of these, of course.
[00:30:29]  The cost of buying a home in the United States is double what it was when you look at your monthly costs from before the pandemic.
[00:30:35]  Real income, when you account for inflation, is actually down since you took office.
[00:30:40]  Economic growth last week, far short of expectations.
[00:30:43]  Consumer confidence, maybe no surprise, is near a two-year low.
[00:30:48]  With less than six months to go to election day, are you worried that you're running out of time to turn that around?
[00:30:55]  We've already turned it around.
[00:30:56]  Look, look at the Michigan survey.
[00:30:59]  For 65% of American people think they're in good shape economically.
[00:31:03]  They think the nation's not in good shape, but they're personally in good shape.
[00:31:06]  The polling data has been wrong all along.
[00:31:10]  How many of you guys do a poll with CNN?
[00:31:12]  How many folks you have to call to get one response?
[00:31:15]  The idea that we're in a situation where things are so bad.
[00:31:21]  I mean, we've created more jobs.
[00:31:24]  We may run a situation where people have access to good paying jobs.
[00:31:28]  And the last I saw, the combination of the inflation, the cost of inflation and all those things, that's really worrisome to people with good reason.
[00:31:38]  That's why I'm working very hard to bring the cost of rentals down, to increase the number of homes that are available.
[00:31:45]  Let me say it this way.
[00:31:48]  When I started this administration, people were saying there are going to be a collapse in the economy.
[00:31:53]  We have the strongest economy in the world.
[00:31:56]  Let me say it again, in the world.
[00:31:58]  Although GDP last week was far short of expectations.
[00:32:01]  Oh, it wasn't.
[00:32:02]  Look, VDP is still growing.
[00:32:04]  Look at the response of the markets.
[00:32:06]  Overwhelmingly positive.
[00:32:08]  Overwhelmingly positive.
[00:32:10]  And one of the reasons why people feel good about it not being as strong as it was before is they believe that the Fed's going to respond.
[00:32:16]  They hope they're going to get a rate cut.
[00:32:18]  Yeah.
[00:32:19]  But so, but I mean, no president's had the run we've had in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation.
[00:32:25]  It was 9% when I came to office.
[00:32:27]  9%.
[00:32:28]  But look, people have a right to be concerned.
[00:32:32]  Ordinary people, the idea that you bounce a check and you get a $30 fee for bouncing the check, I change that.
[00:32:41]  You can't charge more than eight bucks for that.
[00:32:43]  Or your credit card, your late payment, $35.
[00:32:47]  I mean, there's corporate greed going on out there and it's got to be dealt with.
[00:32:51]  What about, I mean, but there's real pain.
[00:32:54]  I mean, grocery prices are up 30%, more than 30% since the beginning of the pandemic.
[00:33:01]  And people are spending more on food and groceries than they have at any time really in the past 30 years.
[00:33:05]  I mean, that's a real day-to-day pain that people feel.
[00:33:10]  It really is.
[00:33:11]  And it's real.
[00:33:13]  But the fact is that if you take a look at what the people have, they have the money to spend.
[00:33:18]  It angers them and angers me that you have to spend more.
[00:33:22]  For example, the whole idea of this notion that Senator Casey talked about, shrinkflation.
[00:33:28]  I think it's on your price for a smaller bottle of juice.
[00:33:32]  For example, Stickers Bar, they did a thing that's like 20% less for the same price.
[00:33:37]  That's corporate greed.
[00:33:39]  It's corporate greed.
[00:33:41]  And we've got to deal with it.
[00:33:42]  And that's what I'm working on.
[00:33:44]  I mean, look, first of all, I mean, there's so much to get into there.
[00:33:49]  But look, presidential campaigns are all about optics.
[00:33:54]  And just the optics of Aaron Burnett just mentioning some real shit about how people are like, like, yo, by a huge margin, people favor Trump to Biden when it comes to the economy.
[00:34:09]  And she's like, you know, a lot of it might be, which by the way, even as she's saying the numbers, it's pretty unbelievable.
[00:34:14]  You say the cost of housing is double what it was before the pandemic.
[00:34:20]  It's like, that's pretty crazy.
[00:34:22]  And that is such a difference to so many people.
[00:34:26]  Like you're to double the price of housing.
[00:34:29]  Well, that means for millions of people, it's out of reach now.
[00:34:34]  Not too many people can afford double what they could afford to pay.
[00:34:38]  You know what I mean?
[00:34:38]  In the pre-pandemic level.
[00:34:40]  And then, but just on the optics of it, and then it's just, it turns over to this like sputtering, stuttering old man trying to remember these basic facts.
[00:34:51]  And then his final attempt is to just say, it's because the companies are greedy.
[00:34:57]  That's why things are bad.
[00:34:59]  And maybe I'll change the rule on how much they can charge you if you bounce a check.
[00:35:04]  Like that's what he's got.
[00:35:06]  You go like, yeah, but the price of homes and groceries are crushing people.
[00:35:12]  That's what you got.
[00:35:13]  It's just pathetic.
[00:35:15]  If I'm worried about bouncing checks and my credit card debt, I'm probably already not in a great place.
[00:35:19]  Yeah.
[00:35:20]  Yeah.
[00:35:20]  Telling me that the bank fees that are putting me further into a hole are a little bit less is not really much of a pitch for, hey, I'm helping you out of this problem.
[00:35:29]  On top of that, by the way, shrinkflation, I would think actually benefits the government because there probably aren't too many formal metrics for that.
[00:35:36]  Like, I mean, you got to get gene on.
[00:35:38]  You want to get the formal numbers here.
[00:35:39]  I don't know any formal numbers, but I would think if you're tracking grocery store prices and increases, they probably don't do that much math for the shrinkflation side.
[00:35:48]  Right.
[00:35:48]  Like, it probably wouldn't show up on a price index.
[00:35:50]  Yeah, it probably benefits the regime.
[00:35:53]  All these fees and whatever else that doesn't very easy, is not as easy to quantify to go, hey, these prices are up X percent or whatever.
[00:36:00]  I would think the shrinkflation helps you.
[00:36:02]  That someone should let them know.
[00:36:03]  Hey, you might want to might not want to talk about that shrinkflation part because it stays off the metrics.
[00:36:07]  Yeah, yeah, it is.
[00:36:09]  It is something though.
[00:36:10]  But it's just like, it's, you know, of course, this, this nonsense of like, you know, we created so many jobs.
[00:36:18]  It's, uh, it's like, yeah, because like you started in 2021.
[00:36:24]  So you came off the year of so many jobs being destroyed.
[00:36:28]  You know what I mean?
[00:36:28]  It's like you start from the bottom.
[00:36:30]  So like, yeah, okay.
[00:36:31]  But this, the, the bottom line is, and everybody, it's, it's really the, the inflation thing, especially having such sharp price inflation in such a short period of time, it's just kind of unlike any other economic phenomenon.
[00:36:46]  Um, because, and, and really me and you, we've, you know, I think the 70s was the last time that you could compare like this dramatic price inflation of like things that people buy all the time.
[00:36:58]  Um, but, you know, like even if there's a really bad economy, there could be many sectors of the economy that are really not phased by it.
[00:37:10]  Like there could be sectors of the economy that are very healthy, even though many other sectors are failing.
[00:37:16]  And you could have somebody who's like in still has a good job in a healthy sector of the economy and they don't really feel it in their life.
[00:37:24]  You know what I mean?
[00:37:25]  Like they may, oh, yeah, I read the paper and I hear it's a bad economy out there, but like I'm doing okay and my life hasn't really been affected by it.
[00:37:32]  But this kind of sharp price inflation in a short period of time, everybody's aware of it.
[00:37:39]  Everybody I know is aware of it.
[00:37:41]  Everyone I know is aware that like groceries cost way more than they used to.
[00:37:46]  Nobody doesn't know that.
[00:37:47]  As even rich people I know are like well aware of it.
[00:37:51]  You know what I mean?
[00:37:52]  Like I've known people who are like doing very well who are talking about how like, man, the price of this shit is really going, getting insane.
[00:38:00]  And, you know, it's just something that you can't, you can't Joe Biden this away.
[00:38:08]  You can't just, no, hey, man, y'all, come on, Jack.
[00:38:12]  No, it's good.
[00:38:14]  It's good.
[00:38:14]  Have you seen the recent, oh, no, the markets respond well?
[00:38:17]  It's like, yeah, dude.
[00:38:19]  Like, it's whatever the total number is.
[00:38:22]  I think Aaron Burnett says it's 30% more expensive or something like that to go to the grocery store.
[00:38:26]  But that is like for regular people, you know, like the whatever, the median household income in this country is like 70 grand a year or something like that.
[00:38:38]  And if you got, if you're in that area or, or lower than that, as because, you know, this is the median.
[00:38:44]  So there's a lot of people who are on the other side of that as well.
[00:38:48]  And you got, if you got kids, you got some dependents or something like that, and groceries go up 30%.
[00:38:55]  That is crushing.
[00:38:56]  It's devastating, you know, and like, there's just no getting away from that.
[00:39:02]  The sad irony of all of it is like, look, if we are being fair, a lot of that is on Donald Trump too.
[00:39:08]  I mean, a lot of that is because of 2020.
[00:39:11]  And yeah, if you shut the country down and just try to print your way out of it, this is what you're going to be looking at.
[00:39:17]  But the problem is that it's like Joe Biden's only criticism of Trump at the time was that he didn't shut down more or print more or something like that, you know?
[00:39:26]  So it's like, it's interesting.
[00:39:28]  It's an interesting political dynamic where he almost he can't say that.
[00:39:35]  Like it would be a somewhat reasonable counter if Joe Biden could just say, look, I know this happened on my watch, but this is the mess that Donald Trump left you with.
[00:39:47]  And that's the fact that you shut down the economy, you print $6 trillion in a year.
[00:39:53]  This is, you're going to feel price inflation.
[00:39:55]  And no matter what anyone did after that, that was just going to be the reality.
[00:39:58]  But he can't say that because that would destroy his whole narrative about this is being driven by corporate greed because there's a late fee when you overdraft your checking account.
[00:40:13]  And it's interesting that he can't even really articulate a plan.
[00:40:16]  So for example, if you came in as a fiscal conservative, you could articulate, I think the reason that people were more hopeful about the economy at other points in time was because they were living in a bubble and things seemed great, but they actually went to shit.
[00:40:30]  And I'm building a stronger economic foundation.
[00:40:33]  And once people settle into this, they're going to be making better life decisions.
[00:40:36]  We're actually going to have growth.
[00:40:38]  Or what Biden could try and spin if it had worked is he could go, listen, I spent a trillion dollars on a green energy initiative and you're going to start seeing energy prices coming down, which is the foundation of a stronger economy.
[00:40:51]  And in my second term, if we stick with my program, we're going to have the following growths in the sector and we're going to have jobs.
[00:40:57]  I think, though, that that's probably on top of, you know, the foreign wars and all the money that we're spending on that, the fact that we've got an open border.
[00:41:07]  I think the green energy initiative is also a big blunder on his track record and that the cars are not that popular, the money being lost by the car manufacturers on trying to make the transition, the problem that there isn't enough electricity available in the areas where I think they're pushing for more of that.
[00:41:25]  Just now they came up with some new regulation on coal.
[00:41:27]  Like it's hard to even quantify how much economic growth, or at least I don't know how to do this math, was lost by not being more exploratory of Keystone Pipeline and just drill, drill, drill.
[00:41:39]  Let's get more of the natural energy onto the market and just being more growth oriented from non-concerned with the climate standpoint.
[00:41:50]  So the point I'm trying to make is that if you actually had a plan, you could articulate it and come up with some sort of an argument of I know people are hurting right now, but actually the Fed's doing blank.
[00:41:59]  We're going to be raising interest rates.
[00:42:01]  The inflation is going to come down and we're expecting growth in the following sectors for these reasons.
[00:42:05]  The fact that he's just blundering and has nothing is because he doesn't have an answer and they have no policies that are going to fix this.
[00:42:13]  Yeah.
[00:42:13]  And of course, the real only policy, I mean, look, he had the inflation reduction act.
[00:42:19]  Which is a green energy spending initiative.
[00:42:21]  Yeah, just a big spending bill.
[00:42:24]  And even they, if you remember, even when grilled on it, a few White House representatives had to admit that it didn't control inflation, but then they would be like, yeah, but it does all these other great things.
[00:42:36]  You're like, okay, but it's not what you named it.
[00:42:40]  But the only thing that Joe Biden's actually done to rein in inflation a bit, which has reigned it in a bit, is raising interest rates.
[00:42:49]  But of course, the problem is that, you know, as people who understand economics know, it's just like central banks can only, all they can do is screw you one of two ways.
[00:43:04]  It's the nature of price fixing.

=== Stormy Daniels Payment Scandal (17:41) ===

[00:43:06]  They can screw you this way or they can screw you that way.
[00:43:09]  And so the problem is that, you know, the idea of raising interest rates is essentially to force pain on you in order to bring down the inflation.
[00:43:21]  It's to artificially hurt you in or you know what I mean?
[00:43:25]  So it's like, oh, okay.
[00:43:26]  So we print all this money that debases your currency.
[00:43:30]  And so what we're going to do now is make you pay more for your monthly bills in order.
[00:43:38]  To suck some of that money back up, but that still hurts.
[00:43:41]  It's not like that makes you feel good.
[00:43:43]  It's not like oh, if you go like oh okay, so like.
[00:43:46]  So let's say, interest rates go up and the rate of inflation slows down.
[00:43:51]  So okay, now your grocery prices are up 30, but they're not up 50, or something like that, like it didn't continue getting worse and worse and worse, but now your mortgage payment is up a bunch more.
[00:44:03]  You know what I mean.
[00:44:04]  So it's just like.
[00:44:05]  I guess that that assumes that you're borrowing or you're initiating new loans.
[00:44:09]  I guess if you yes, you would benefit.
[00:44:13]  Or it depends on, yeah, if you have to borrow.
[00:44:16]  Two to be clear, yes, if you, if you're, if you're putting money on a credit card or if you're taking out a new mortgage or something.
[00:44:22]  My point is that it's it's just going to hurt.
[00:44:23]  A whole new class of people say for yes, you're right, if you had a mortgage, if you, if you had a fixed rate mortgage previously, then the interest rate change wouldn't hurt you.
[00:44:33]  But if you're taking out a new mortgage or if you're on an adjustable rate mortgage, which many Americans still are, then you do feel the pain.
[00:44:40]  So it's all just like.
[00:44:41]  You know, it's like it, it setting the price for interest rates, or setting interest rates, which is just the price of money is.
[00:44:48]  It's the same thing as if the government, some government bureau, was deciding what the price of tv is or what the price like, whatever they guess.
[00:44:56]  It's.
[00:44:56]  Always it's going to hurt one of two ways um, because it's never going to be an authentic, uh market price, um.
[00:45:04]  So anyway, that is the pitch uh, that that Joe Biden has all.
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[00:46:23]  Let's get back into the show.
[00:46:25]  On a similar kind of topic of people developing these concerns, let's go to the Bill Maher quote, the one about the Trump court cases, Brian.
[00:46:35]  Because I thought this was kind of interesting to just let you know where some liberals' heads are at.
[00:46:42]  I mean, the Democrats have had four years to put Trump on trial, and it is all just going away.
[00:46:48]  They blew it at every term.
[00:46:50]  Here's what's happened this week.
[00:46:51]  Georgia, that one, okay.
[00:46:54]  They're going to take up Trump's argument about Fanny Willis.
[00:46:57]  Now, she's the prosecutor.
[00:46:58]  She's having an affair with the guy she hired.
[00:47:01]  I mean, it's not really relevant to the case, but they left an opening.
[00:47:05]  And now that one's going to be delayed.
[00:47:07]  The stolen documents one, that's never going to happen because that's a Trumpy judge down there.
[00:47:13]  So it's stormy or bust.
[00:47:16]  Just pause for a second.
[00:47:17]  Yeah.
[00:47:18]  So he's not entirely accurate on the stolen documents case.
[00:47:23]  So there are a couple.
[00:47:25]  I mean, this one's just factual.
[00:47:27]  The prosecutors engaged in evidence tampering.
[00:47:32]  And then I guess they removed documents and they said that they hadn't made any changes to what had been taken.
[00:47:39]  And then also the judge was saying that there's difficulties in the case in terms of how do they actually have a court case about classified documents.
[00:47:47]  So like they're not even sure.
[00:47:49]  And then this one I have to go validate because I just, it was late at night.
[00:47:51]  I just saw the Zero Hedge article.
[00:47:53]  I didn't really dig in.
[00:47:54]  But then there was also a claim that some of the documents that he was accused of not the, of improperly storing had been sent to him from another government organization and had the optics of a setup.
[00:48:07]  That one I got to go validate.
[00:48:09]  Interesting.
[00:48:10]  And on top of all that, the Supreme Court is still looking into whether or not he can even be prosecuted on, I think, any of these cases, which is why Jack Smith wanted to escalate whether or not the presidential immunity would apply here.
[00:48:24]  And that got basically is being kicked down the road.
[00:48:29]  So just to dismiss that case just on the grounds of that it was a Republican judge, I don't think is fair.
[00:48:37]  And then the Fannie Willis thing, I did a whole thing on Run Your Mouth about this, but I said that's the biggest hope we have is that the government has bad minions, that on top, they actually had a very good plan here.
[00:48:47]  And then at the end of the day, they're government and they're not actually very good at management and getting things done.
[00:48:53]  So they hired someone who is not that great at getting things done and wanted to take a payday and hired their own friends so they could go on nice vacations.
[00:49:01]  And that's just called, that's the institution that you guys love and trust, which luckily they're actually not great at management, even when it comes to their own scheme.
[00:49:11]  Yeah.
[00:49:12]  Luckily, you get like awful, unimpressive people in these positions.
[00:49:17]  And so, yeah, they're just bad at actually executing things.
[00:49:20]  Like on top, they had a pretty good plan, but they're bad at management.
[00:49:23]  So they hired bad people to actually get it done.
[00:49:25]  And so that court case has fallen apart.
[00:49:27]  And now, yeah, the last one that they're left with is this prostitute case, which clearly is to keep Donald Trump stuck in court.
[00:49:34]  Loudest hush money payment ever that he wanted this thing to go away.
[00:49:37]  Yeah, really?
[00:49:38]  He's got to hear about it every day.
[00:49:39]  That's a good way to put it.
[00:49:40]  None of the court case seems to be about an actual crime here because it doesn't matter that he had sex with her.
[00:49:47]  And I think, I mean, you could start a new court case about whether or not people should be allowed to make hush money payments.
[00:49:52]  Well, yeah, that's stormy.
[00:49:53]  But that's not illegal.
[00:49:54]  I mean, it's not a crime.
[00:49:55]  It's not a crime.
[00:49:56]  It's not a crime to pay somebody to agree to not say something.
[00:50:00]  Yeah.
[00:50:00]  And that's like.
[00:50:03]  The funniest thing to me about the Stormy Daniels case is that the conservatives are forced to reckon with the fact that they have a president who's not a Christian.
[00:50:11]  And then the liberals have to be on the news every night talking about the credibility of a porn star who took a hush money payment, went back on it, and is now pretending like the incident was non-consensual and ruined her life, even though she's not Mother Teresa.
[00:50:26]  She got paid to have sex her whole career.
[00:50:28]  That was her job.
[00:50:29]  The idea that she had a negative sexual encounter that ruined her entire life, maybe this is unfair from me.
[00:50:36]  Well, we're going to get into, they get into that a little bit on the rest of this clip here.
[00:50:41]  But I do want to say that, as I think you make a series of excellent points there.
[00:50:47]  To me, what was just so interesting about the way Bill Maher starts this is it's just kind of like, it's a little bit of a glimpse into the anti-Trump liberal mentality.
[00:50:59]  And it's pretty unbelievable that they're like, and this is the dynamic that Trump always had, which is one of the most fascinating things.
[00:51:07]  It's that he makes people so angry.
[00:51:12]  And I guess like, and don't get me wrong, I mean, I think me and you are both pretty angry at Trump for a lot of different things, but we kind of hate the entire institution and all of its members.
[00:51:24]  So it's just, it's not like this one guy makes you so much more angry than everybody else.
[00:51:29]  Like I could think about a bunch of things Joe Biden's done, Obama did, Trump's did, Bush did.
[00:51:34]  They could all get me pretty angry.
[00:51:36]  But they get so uniquely angry at Donald Trump that they kind of like give away the game and they don't even realize that they're doing it.
[00:51:45]  So here you have Bill Maher just openly saying Democrats really screwed up because they had four years to get this guy, to get him on something.
[00:51:56]  So you don't have to run against him again.
[00:51:59]  And they, and it looks like they're going to fail.
[00:52:01]  And then what?
[00:52:03]  Well, now the fucking people get to vote and they might vote for him.
[00:52:08]  And you're like, aren't you guys the side that claims to champion democracy?
[00:52:14]  Like, isn't there a profound irony that their biggest criticism of Donald Trump is that he's a threat to democracy?
[00:52:20]  And yet he's blatantly here saying like, well, we got to just get him on something.
[00:52:25]  Something.
[00:52:26]  Not one of these are sticking.
[00:52:29]  We got to arrest this guy before November.
[00:52:32]  It's just, there's something so unique about this.
[00:52:34]  Like this has never been the way anyone ever talked about a presidential candidate ever.
[00:52:42]  I mean, the closest that you could look to was Donald Trump, you know, saying lock her up.
[00:52:48]  But even that was Donald Trump saying, after the election, like if I win the election and she loses the election, we're going to lock her up.
[00:52:59]  And also, I just don't, I don't know.
[00:53:01]  Maybe this is just my own feeling on it, but I never took that seriously.
[00:53:05]  I don't know if you ever did, Rob.
[00:53:07]  I never actually thought there was like, oh, Donald Trump might actually try to lock Hillary Clinton up.
[00:53:12]  I always thought it was just like a funny rally thing that Donald Trump did.
[00:53:17]  But this is, this is different in kind.
[00:53:19]  I mean, this is people saying like, we got to get this guy locked up somehow.
[00:53:23]  And it just seems obvious that it's like, there's no real concern over whether he actually did it or whether he is actually guilty.
[00:53:29]  It's not like any of them are like, well, in these five court cases, I do think he's guilty on three, but the other two I think are a little bit of a stretch.
[00:53:36]  It's clearly just get him on something.
[00:53:39]  Whatever sticks.
[00:53:41]  Just get him on something so that we don't have to have a democratic process.
[00:53:46]  It's pretty wild to me to see this just openly be argued.
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[00:54:37]  All right, let's keep, let's, let's keep playing this clip.
[00:54:42]  It's Stormy or bust.
[00:54:47]  I saw what you did there.
[00:54:51]  It just comes out.
[00:54:52]  I'm not trying.
[00:54:54]  If this one doesn't work, and she's a bad witness, because let me show you a little video.
[00:55:00]  This is when I had Stormy on in 2018.
[00:55:04]  And first I asked her why she had sex with Trump.
[00:55:06]  Listen to that.
[00:55:07]  And then listen to what she says after that.
[00:55:09]  And then we're going to talk about the trial because it's quite at variance of what she said to me in 2018.
[00:55:15]  Why did you fuck Donald Trump?
[00:55:17]  I have no idea.
[00:55:21]  Okay, but you say it's not a Me Too case.
[00:55:23]  It is not a Me Too case.
[00:55:24]  I mean, I wasn't assaulted.
[00:55:27]  I wasn't attacked or raped or coerced or blackmailed.
[00:55:31]  They tried to shove me in the me too box in front of their own agenda.
[00:55:35]  And first of all, I didn't want any part of that because it's not the truth.
[00:55:38]  And I'm not a victim in that regard.
[00:55:41]  That's not what she's saying now.
[00:55:45]  She's talking about he was bigger and blocking the way.
[00:55:48]  It's all the me too buzzwords.
[00:55:50]  She said there was a power imbalance of power for sure.
[00:55:55]  My hands were shaking so hard.
[00:55:57]  She said she blacked out.
[00:56:00]  Blacked out?
[00:56:01]  She's a porn star.
[00:56:04]  I don't think sex.
[00:56:05]  That doesn't mean she's been subjected to the likes of Donald Trump.
[00:56:12]  I might black out too.
[00:56:16]  Do you really think she blacked out?
[00:56:17]  I mean, a porn star is used to having sex with people she does not know.
[00:56:21]  That's the job.
[00:56:22]  It's kind of like Stormy Bob, Bob Stormy.
[00:56:25]  Fuck.
[00:56:27]  Action and let's go and we're losing the life.
[00:56:31]  So I just think this is, I just think she's not a good witness.
[00:56:35]  And this is so there is Bill Maher grappling with the point exactly that you made where he's going, so we're hanging our hopes on the word of a porn star.
[00:56:47]  Like it's, it's weird because it's such a tough like dance for liberals to deal with the fact that it's like, yeah, guys, I mean, I know you're not allowed.
[00:56:59]  Like, I know you're allergic to common sense, but like, look, what Donald Trump did here is pretty sleazy too, right?
[00:57:08]  Like he's like fucking a porn star and then paying her to be quiet about it.
[00:57:12]  But she's also just a sleazy person in the sleaziest profession.
[00:57:16]  And like, yeah, it's obviously like she's completely changed her story on this.
[00:57:22]  And again, here's the thing is that Bill Maher is also like, first of all, he's a lifelong member of the Hollywood class who's never been married or had kids.
[00:57:35]  He's known for like being somewhat of a womanizer, which like whatever, you know, like, okay, that's how you live your life.
[00:57:40]  But you know, he does not have like some, you know what I'm saying, Rob?
[00:57:46]  Like it's like you were saying before, it's like, what is he supposed to pretend to be a Christian conservative now and act like he has some real moral problem?
[00:57:54]  Like he has a moral problem with the fact that Donald Trump fucked the porn star and then paid her some money to be quiet about it.
[00:58:00]  Or is he just, he just passionately, he's feels passionately about business expenses and how you must, you know what I mean?
[00:58:08]  Like it's not as if you have any like real outrage about the underlying crime that's been committed here.
[00:58:15]  Your concern is that you want to get this guy removed from the democratic process.
[00:58:21]  And then your concern is that you're like, ah, shit, she seems like a bad witness.
[00:58:26]  Isn't that just kind of amazing in itself?
[00:58:28]  That your issue is she's a bad witness and not the obvious thing that's staring you in the face, which is that this is all bullshit.
[00:58:37]  This is just all bullshit.
[00:58:39]  You imagine if you told Ben Franklin that a president was being removed for making improper hooker payments.
[00:58:44]  Like I gave STDs to all of France.
[00:58:46]  What are you talking about?
[00:58:50]  You're like, dude, I wasn't making payments.
[00:58:51]  I own those women.
[00:58:53]  He goes, I've always found it's cheaper to just buy the woman than to make all these payments to her.
[00:58:59]  I don't know.
[00:59:02]  Yeah, but it's just, it's just unbelievable.
[00:59:04]  It's like, guys, like this is just clearly like, I mean, first, the entire Stormy Daniels court case is absurd.
[00:59:14]  It's absurd to claim that the hush money payments to a porn star are somehow a business expense or a campaign expense.
[00:59:23]  It's just ridiculous.
[00:59:25]  Like, why?
[00:59:27]  It could easily also be like, you know, it would literally be on the line around like the same level as like if Donald Trump bought a sports car and they were like, hey, that's a campaign expense because you're going to look really cool in this car and then people think you're cool and then they want to vote for you or something like that.
[00:59:49]  It's like, cause if he didn't want it to come out that he was fucking a porn star, that could easily be for personal reasons too.
[01:00:00]  He's still a married guy who's a businessman, who's famous.
[01:00:04]  You know what I mean?
[01:00:05]  Like he could just not want it to come out for his own reasons.
[01:00:07]  It's not like self-evident that that's exclusively for the campaign the same way that a sports car, you'd be like, no, I just wanted this car.
[01:00:15]  And it like doesn't necessarily like just because you could loosely connect the idea that it may have helped the campaign doesn't automatically make it a campaign expense.
[01:00:24]  And aside from that, like you said, there's just nothing here.
[01:00:27]  There's nothing here.
[01:00:28]  It's not illegal to fuck a porn star.
[01:00:30]  It's not illegal to pay a porn star to not tell people that you fucked her.
[01:00:34]  And also, even if it turns out to be exclusively that it was for the campaign, and thus far, from what I've read, it doesn't sound like the defense team is trying to argue that this was a purely personal expense.

=== Legal Defense Against Treason (02:03) ===

[01:00:47]  It seems like that argument's been on the table and they're not really playing that argument.
[01:00:51]  But for one, it's not illegal to try and influence an election.
[01:00:54]  It's called trying to win an election.
[01:00:55]  There's no crime there.
[01:00:56]  And if you have a conversation with your lawyer about, hey, how do I go ahead and do this?
[01:01:01]  And then the lawyer does something that was illegal.
[01:01:03]  That's like bad legal counsel.
[01:01:05]  I don't know that you should have personal accountability for having a shitty lawyer.
[01:01:09]  It's like you would, especially if there were legal ways to do it.
[01:01:12]  So if it's that he had to just pay it and it didn't have to come from here, like, so someone else fucked up my bookkeeping.
[01:01:18]  That's why you hire professionals to do these things.
[01:01:21]  So I have, I, I still don't quite, I, and then also, wait, you're going to, so you're going to take the guy and put him in jail because he, what, he was only allowed to spend $10,000 of his own money and he spent $100,000 or it's because the lawyer spent his own hundred.
[01:01:37]  It's like, you're in this technical, what are you talking?
[01:01:40]  What, what is this horrible crime here?
[01:01:42]  So the guy tried to influence his own election by bearing a story.
[01:01:45]  And so it was too large of a contribution from a single person when his lawyer handed him.
[01:01:50]  I think that's the claim.
[01:01:52]  It's hard to follow.
[01:01:53]  I don't even know.
[01:01:53]  Yeah.
[01:01:54]  And this all from a group of people who spent years telling you he had committed treason and was involved in a conspiracy with the Russians to overthrow our government.
[01:02:03]  What about all the people he supposedly didn't pay or all the business fraud that you've said that this guy's been it's like if this guy is such a terrible person, this is really the worst thing you can bring him to court?
[01:02:13]  The two worst claim the claim has been that he's committed treason with Russia, that he led a violent insurrection to overthrow the government, that he's uh raped multiple women.
[01:02:26]  Like all they've claimed all of these crazy crimes, and at the end of the day, this is what they've got him on: a bookkeeping error for a hush money payment.
[01:02:38]  It's just pathetic.
[01:02:39]  All right, look, we got to wrap up the show there.
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[01:02:49]  And we'll catch you next time.
[01:02:51]  Peace.