Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Coleman Hughes Silences The View
Aired: 2024-03-30
Duration: 01:02:37


=== Third Party vs Establishment (14:54) ===

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[00:01:38]  So obviously we are in the middle of a presidential election year.
[00:01:43]  There's many things that are different about this year as opposed to other presidential cycles.
[00:01:49]  One of the things, one of the many things that's different about this year is that there is a third party, a third party candidate who is actually has millions of people who support him, has been polling very well since he was running in the Democratic primary.
[00:02:08]  Of course, I'm talking about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
[00:02:11]  And so really, obviously, like we're members of the Libertarian Party and there are other third parties, but in terms of the national conversation, in terms of kind of real politics, there really has not been a meaningful third party candidate since Ross Perot and in 1992.
[00:02:32]  So it's been quite a long time since 30 years, give or take, since there's been like a real deal third party.
[00:02:42]  Do you remember one of my favorite Simpsons jokes ever?
[00:02:46]  And I love this as a kid, even before I cared about politics, but was, do you remember there was the episode?
[00:02:51]  It was, it must have been around 96 because it was Bill Clinton's reelection campaign.
[00:02:57]  It was when Bill Clinton was running against Bob Dole and the two evil aliens took over Bill Clinton and Bob Dole's body.
[00:03:05]  And then it was discovered that this was not Bill Clinton and Bob Dole.
[00:03:09]  And in fact, it was two evil aliens who were planning on enslaving the human race when they won.
[00:03:16]  And they're like, you have no choice.
[00:03:18]  We are both of the candidates.
[00:03:20]  You have to vote for one of us.
[00:03:21]  And then one guy in the crowd goes, I believe I'll vote for a third party candidate.
[00:03:25]  And then one of the aliens goes, go ahead, throw your vote away.
[00:03:31]  I don't think I saw that one, but that's good.
[00:03:33]  It's such a great line.
[00:03:34]  Even when you know they're two monsters, you would just go, I just can't throw away my vote.
[00:03:38]  I got to get in there and vote.
[00:03:39]  Anyway, perfectly sums up politics.
[00:03:41]  Anyway, this year, there is a third party candidate, and he just announced his VP, which I, even though I made it very clear I wouldn't be doing it, I was flooded with tweets over the last few days.
[00:03:58]  Spoiler alert, it's not me, it is uh, what's the woman's name Shanahan?
[00:04:05]  It also wasn't uh the the, the jets quarterback, who was the great, it was not Aaron Rogers, as people that would have been speculating it that would.
[00:04:13]  That would have been.
[00:04:14]  Let's say it wouldn't have made less sense.
[00:04:17]  Let's say that um, I don't know Rob, do you have any thoughts on uh, Rfk's vp pick?
[00:04:24]  Well, if he was trying to win over the LP, he certainly didn't pick a libertarian to try and get on the ballots.
[00:04:31]  Certainly doesn't seem like that was his uh, like that was his primary goal.
[00:04:36]  I don't know much about the lady.
[00:04:37]  I heard she's got a lot of money, so it's always nice having a sugar mama, someone who can, although Rfk has got a ton of money, so I don't really know why he needs this lady's money.
[00:04:46]  But uh, they're talking about that.
[00:04:47]  That might help him with the ballot access and I guess this, this allows this lady to kind of buy her way into politics and maybe uh, be a Democratic frontrunner the next time around.
[00:04:57]  I know that she was married to a Google guy.
[00:05:00]  I don't know, maybe there's some tie-in with intelligence agencies or maybe she's just spending that guy's money.
[00:05:06]  I don't know much about this lady.
[00:05:07]  Um yeah, it's a uh, Nicole Shanahan.
[00:05:11]  Um, she is a lawyer.
[00:05:13]  She was married to the head of Google for a while.
[00:05:17]  Um, she's been.
[00:05:19]  It seems to be wrapped up in some kind of democratic type uh initiatives or policies or whatever.
[00:05:29]  I mean she's been.
[00:05:30]  She's an environmentalist.
[00:05:32]  Um I, I guess the only way that it kind of made sense uh, is that she's got a.
[00:05:38]  Uh, evidently she has an autistic child and she's a bit of a critic of big pharma.
[00:05:44]  Uh listen, I don't think, at least from my understanding of it.
[00:05:48]  I the there's, there's many states where you have uh, the requirements for ballot access are much lower if you've announced a vp so it was.
[00:06:00]  It seems like it was necessary for him to pick a vp.
[00:06:04]  He had to hurry up and do that.
[00:06:05]  Obviously uh, Joe Biden and um uh, Donald Trump have not like officially, I mean I.
[00:06:12]  The assumption is Joe Biden would be running with Kamala Harris again.
[00:06:16]  Uh, that's I I far from a guarantee.
[00:06:20]  Uh, Donald Trump has not picked his vp yet.
[00:06:22]  I think uh uh, Bobby Kennedy had to move a little bit quicker than they did because of these ballot access rules.
[00:06:27]  It's um, I I will say I think it's a bad sign.
[00:06:34]  I mean, there's already been plenty of bad signs, but if you found anything to be interested or excited about in Bobby Kennedy's presidential campaign, I just think this vp pick is a very bad sign.
[00:06:45]  Um, this is not somebody who in any way, shape or form seems to be an outsider.
[00:06:54]  And if you were, if he is supposed to be who he's selling himself as being, then that's supposed to be the mission, to come in with outsider outsiders and kind of you know uh, clean up the corruption in this system.
[00:07:09]  That does not seem to be what we've we've got here.
[00:07:12]  It's a bit surprising that he went with somebody who is a an unknown and also, you know, doesn't bring any of the traditional things that a VP would bring.
[00:07:26]  It's not like he picked like the governor of a swing state or something like that, and they're going to deliver him that swing state.
[00:07:33]  Certainly doesn't seem like there's anything exciting about her.
[00:07:36]  And she seems, it's like very mild salsa here.
[00:07:40]  We're not talking about something spicy enough to be like, oh, this is a juicy outsider.
[00:07:45]  Like if he had picked a you, I don't know, a Tucker Carlson or a Rogan or someone like, or even Alex Jones for that matter.
[00:07:51]  And you went, oh, wow, he really swung for the fences and brought in like a wild card here that's interesting.
[00:07:56]  And he also didn't pull in someone who's like a very mainstream Democrat to maybe go, hey, look, I'm very close to the establishment, but just a little bit better.
[00:08:05]  So I haven't, I haven't even really even seen this lady give a speech yet.
[00:08:09]  So I really don't know much about her, but it just seems like a pretty unexciting, down the middle, I don't get it choice.
[00:08:17]  Yeah, I mean, I think that it seems to be a choice of somebody who's connected, at least in a certain way, and that therefore maybe perhaps this is a signal of what his real agenda is or what they'll be working on or something like that.
[00:08:36]  I think that essentially, see, there's a thing where, like, I've talked about this a lot in the Libertarian Party over the last, you know, decade or so.
[00:08:48]  I haven't been a member the whole time, but even before I was a member, I would talk about the Libertarian Party because I was a Libertarian, where there's a thing where it's almost like, hey, you got to figure out what your, and this is like purely from a marketing standpoint.
[00:09:02]  Obviously, we have our like our principles, but I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint, you kind of got to figure out like, what is your lane here?
[00:09:10]  What are you selling?
[00:09:12]  Who's your target audience?
[00:09:14]  And like, why?
[00:09:15]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:09:16]  Like, there's a lot of people get this wrong.
[00:09:19]  Rand Paul, I thought, really got this wrong when he was running in 2016.
[00:09:23]  And he kind of tried over and over again to signal to the Republican establishment that he was a reasonable candidate who would play ball with them.
[00:09:32]  And it's like, Rand, who's your market here?
[00:09:34]  Do you think your market is the Republican establishment?
[00:09:37]  Because let me tell you something.
[00:09:38]  If the Republican establishment wants to pick a candidate out of this field, it ain't you.
[00:09:44]  That's not who they're going to pick because you can only gloss over the fact that you're completely against them.
[00:09:50]  You do not support their interests.
[00:09:52]  So they're not going to pick you.
[00:09:53]  And in a similar sense, you see this with, look, it's what happened with Bud Light, right?
[00:10:00]  It's what happened with Bud Light when they brought in that woke dummy chick.
[00:10:03]  And you could kind of see on the surface, like on the very, if you don't scratch a centimeter deep and you just look at things on the surface, her idea was like, hey, look, we've got the demographic that we have locked down, locked down.
[00:10:17]  So let's go try to get a different demographic that doesn't drink Bud Light, you know, that the demographic that likes to see a dude in a dress and pretend it's a woman, whatever that is, right?
[00:10:27]  And you could kind of understand that.
[00:10:30]  But if you think about it more deeply than that at all, you'd go, oh, no, but look, what's going to happen is what's obviously going to happen.
[00:10:38]  First of all, you're, you're pissing off your entire demographic who does drink Bud Light and loves Bud Light.
[00:10:44]  You're pissing off a huge percentage of them in an attempt to garner favor with a demographic that will never love you.
[00:10:53]  Like no matter how much, even like whatever like hipster kids in Brooklyn or something like that, whoever is going to like appreciate that you put Dylan Mulvaney on that, they don't drink Bud Light.
[00:11:04]  They're never going to drink Bud Light.
[00:11:06]  I mean, they may pat you on the head or something like that and go, that was good of them for doing that, but they're still getting their IPAs or their craft beer or whatever.
[00:11:12]  They're not going to drink Bud Light now.
[00:11:14]  So it just makes no sense.
[00:11:16]  Likewise, when you're a third party candidate, I think inherently, by definition, you are running to be outside of the system, outside of the establishment.
[00:11:30]  If somebody loves the establishment, they're not going third party.
[00:11:34]  It just doesn't make any sense.
[00:11:36]  If they're okay.
[00:11:37]  And in fact, I would argue that not only do they have to oppose the establishment, they have to be so sick and tired of it that they're willing to do a thing that the vast majority of people simply aren't willing to do.
[00:11:49]  Just vote for someone who's not a Democrat or a Republican.
[00:11:52]  And in that case, I think that this move by RFK does nothing to signal that like, hey, we're restoring the United States of America.
[00:12:08]  We're shaking up the corruption.
[00:12:10]  This is just like, oh, I picked a rich, high-powered lawyer who's totally in the good graces of the establishment.
[00:12:19]  All right.
[00:12:21]  Wonderful.
[00:12:22]  How the hell is this going to like, like it just, it seems to me that it's like this does not play well with the with your target demographic.
[00:12:33]  But then again, if you were just thinking about doing what's right or you were just thinking about what would politically be wise, he would have come out opposing the war in Gaza.
[00:12:44]  That's the truth.
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[00:13:34]  I really can't, I really can't get over the hype, the counterfactual with RFK.
[00:13:40]  Like, just imagine he was good on the war in Gaza.
[00:13:44]  How much he could have shook up this election cycle?
[00:13:47]  Because it would have been, look, what is it?
[00:13:50]  50% of Democratic voters believe what Israel is doing is a genocide.
[00:13:56]  I mean, and no one is coming out against it.
[00:14:00]  The best you could get is Donald Trump being like, do it quick, you know, rip the band-aid.
[00:14:05]  That's the best.
[00:14:05]  No, there's no candidate like, and I'm not saying the Libertarian Party will probably have a candidate who opposes it.
[00:14:11]  And I'm sure, you know, what's his name is going to oppose it, Cornell West.
[00:14:19]  But I mean, of the like, you know, the major two parties and this major third party candidate, none of them are.
[00:14:24]  And if he, he could have sucked all of the energy out of the room.
[00:14:27]  And you could already see like the campaign speeches right themselves, right?
[00:14:34]  Like he could sit there and just be like, okay, to everybody in the Democratic Party, if maybe funding a genocide is a deal breaker for you, come on over here to me.
[00:14:45]  And oh, Donald Trump and Republicans, I thought we were doing America first stuff.
[00:14:49]  Sorry, I'm the only America first candidate in the race now.
[00:14:52]  I mean, it's just like he could have just exploded.

=== Legacy of Racism and Slavery (14:25) ===

[00:14:55]  There would be a true, the, a true anti-war candidate against the war in Ukraine, against the war in Gaza, against America being involved in any of this.
[00:15:03]  It would have been right there.
[00:15:04]  It just would have been like the potential would have really dramatically increased.
[00:15:10]  But instead, he went around the country giving Rabbi Shmooley a hand job or whatever.
[00:15:16]  I don't know.
[00:15:18]  I think that guy's more into butt stuff.
[00:15:21]  I didn't say he was into it.
[00:15:24]  Just saying it's what happened.
[00:15:25]  But yeah, for the record, it's not Bobby Kennedy's fault if he happened to be giving a child a lap dance at the time.
[00:15:31]  Bobby wasn't involved in that.
[00:15:33]  Anyway.
[00:15:35]  Well, I guess I've burned that bridge.
[00:15:37]  Okay.
[00:15:38]  Anyway, I just, it's just, it's more, to me, it's just kind of more of the theme of just, what a disappointment.
[00:15:46]  Just too bad.
[00:15:47]  But maybe he'll stir up a stink about Fauci somehow.
[00:15:50]  I don't know.
[00:15:50]  We ever going to prosecute that guy?
[00:15:52]  Brand seems to be the only guy talking about it.
[00:15:54]  Just run that campaign.
[00:15:55]  Hey, I will prosecute Fauci campaign.
[00:15:58]  Yeah.
[00:15:59]  Just like this is a referendum on 2020.
[00:16:05]  That's the campaign I'm running.
[00:16:07]  You know, that would be better than what he's doing now.
[00:16:10]  But that would, you know, at least just be like, and there's a way you could do that too, where you were just going like, no, look, it's a referendum on 2020.
[00:16:17]  So that means Donald Trump, not just Joe Biden.
[00:16:20]  You know, there's a referendum on all of you guys.
[00:16:23]  And that's, you know, it's just tough.
[00:16:26]  It's tough when a war breaks out and you're supporting the war to get away from anything other than that.
[00:16:33]  But what are you going to do?
[00:16:37]  I'm an anti-war libertarian.
[00:16:38]  So believe me, I'm used to disappointment.
[00:16:41]  It's the status quo for us.
[00:16:43]  Okay.
[00:16:45]  Let's get into some other stuff here.
[00:16:46]  So there was quite an interesting segment on the view, which is pretty rare that you'll ever say anything like that.
[00:16:57]  But they had Coleman Hughes on, who I'm not super, are you like familiar with his stuff?
[00:17:04]  He's a podcaster and a very bright guy.
[00:17:08]  I've seen a couple different things with him.
[00:17:11]  I don't know a ton about him, but he's written a new book.
[00:17:16]  He's a critic of like woke racialist insanity.
[00:17:24]  And so it was kind of interesting to see him on the view.
[00:17:26]  He's certainly nothing like, he's not a radical.
[00:17:29]  You think he's a very centrist type of type of guy, very moderate guy, but he does kind of reject race essentialism.
[00:17:39]  And so that in itself is always kind of interesting because it's just such an it's an interesting topic that has over the last decade really gripped almost every powerful person in America and almost everybody on television and at major news publications has decided that, of course, this is the issue that we must be obsessed with.
[00:18:02]  So the contrast of seeing him talk to some of these people is kind of interesting.
[00:18:05]  So let's let's play some of this clip and break it down a little bit.
[00:18:09]  Question that I should ask you to do is explain to folks what you mean by this.
[00:18:19]  Arguments for a colorblind America.
[00:18:21]  What do you mean when you say that?
[00:18:22]  So a lot of people equate colorblindness to I don't see race or to pretending not to see race.
[00:18:28]  I think that's a big mistake.
[00:18:29]  We all see race, right?
[00:18:32]  And we're all capable of being racially biased.
[00:18:34]  So we should all be self-aware to that possibility.
[00:18:37]  My argument is not for that.
[00:18:38]  My argument is that we should try our very best to treat people without regard to race, both in our personal lives and our public policy.
[00:18:45]  Of course.
[00:18:46]  And the reason I wrote this book.
[00:18:47]  Thank you.
[00:18:50]  Let's pause it just for a second there.
[00:18:52]  Isn't it amazing that that even needs to be said on television?
[00:18:56]  Like that it's and the audience like applause, but they kind of applaud with this.
[00:19:02]  They're like, that does sound right.
[00:19:05]  He just caught them in a trap.
[00:19:06]  They don't realize what they just applauded for.
[00:19:08]  Yeah.
[00:19:09]  They applauded for not just promoting people based off of their race or precluding people from jobs because they might be white or Asian, but just making decisions about who people are as human beings.
[00:19:22]  You know, Martin Luther, King's dream.
[00:19:24]  I think that was his dream, right?
[00:19:27]  It sure was.
[00:19:28]  That comes up.
[00:19:29]  But I do just find it so funny to be like, I just think like you shouldn't judge people based on their race.
[00:19:33]  You should judge them based off who they are as a person.
[00:19:35]  And everyone in the crowd's kind of like.
[00:19:39]  But if they're black, we should still help them.
[00:19:41]  We should give them special treatment.
[00:19:43]  It's like, this does sound right, but it also goes against everything we've been taught for a decade.
[00:19:50]  All right, let's keep playing.
[00:19:52]  The reason I wrote this book is because in the past 10 years, it has become very popular to, in the name of anti-racism, teach a kind of philosophy to our children and in general that says your race is everything.
[00:20:03]  Right.
[00:20:04]  And I think that is the wrong way to fight racism.
[00:20:07]  And that's why I wrote this book at this time.
[00:20:09]  Can I, I'm Seven.
[00:20:10]  Can I just point out that there is a reason for that?
[00:20:14]  You know, when I went to school, getting any information about anyone's race was not taught in history.
[00:20:22]  There was no black history.
[00:20:23]  None of those things were taught.
[00:20:25]  And here in America, 100 years ago when I was a young woman, that's how people saw you.
[00:20:32]  That's how they judged you.
[00:20:33]  So I think it's, I don't want to say it's your youth, but I think you have a point, but I think you have to also take into consideration what people have lived through.
[00:20:47]  Okay, let's pause it.
[00:20:50]  This is something that, and look, I'm not like, Whoopi Goldberg is obviously older than me.
[00:20:56]  I'm 40 and she just admitted to being 100.
[00:21:00]  I don't actually know how old Whoopee Goldberg is, but she's older than 40 for sure.
[00:21:04]  But I feel like this is something that the like older people who are caught up in this woke shit will do this thing that she just did, where I'm I'm 100% sure she's just lying through her teeth, like talking about what it was like in her day and always having to make it out.
[00:21:24]  Like in my day, no one ever taught you anything about black history.
[00:21:27]  And we just pretend it's like, I don't believe you.
[00:21:30]  I don't think that's true.
[00:21:32]  I don't think it's true that in Whoopi Goldberg's day, there was ever a time where like they just pretended slavery didn't happen.
[00:21:41]  Like you could just go back and look at like movies and shit like that.
[00:21:43]  There was a ton of stuff.
[00:21:46]  This was always something that was known.
[00:21:48]  It was largely accepted that that was bad and that that was wrong.
[00:21:53]  And in terms of like this idea that like nobody ever like talked about the fact that black people had had it rough in this country at the beginning, that's just not true.
[00:22:03]  It's that's not true at all.
[00:22:05]  And I would say, obviously I'm younger than her, but I could tell you in my day growing up, there was, and this is way before DEI or modern wokeism or anything like that.
[00:22:19]  And there was an overemphasis on talking about slavery, Jim Crow, how black people had it bad in this country.
[00:22:28]  So what a lot of these kind of critical race theory proponents will do is they'll put forth their worldview, which is essentially race essentialism, that race is what matters.
[00:22:41]  You know, the critical race theory people will tell you there's nothing but oppressor and oppressed.
[00:22:45]  Meritocracy is just another form of white supremacy.
[00:22:50]  The family is just another form of supremacy, like everything like this.
[00:22:53]  And then if you object to that at all, then they go, oh, so you're against teaching history.
[00:22:59]  You're against teaching the history of slavery and Jim Crow or whatever.
[00:23:02]  And I'll just tell you, because I'm old enough to know this, that there was a time before critical theory was dominant amongst like teaching or the elements of it were dominant in terms of like educating kids, where we all learned about slavery in Jim Crow.
[00:23:20]  And believe it or not, we learned that they were bad.
[00:23:23]  We didn't learn about them like, oh, wasn't this a great thing we used to do that we should go back to doing?
[00:23:27]  We learned that they were bad.
[00:23:28]  You can learn about that without being race obsessed.
[00:23:31]  And by the way, it's very, it's very easy to see why, right?
[00:23:34]  It's very easy to see how you could teach that.
[00:23:36]  You could teach that as the way it was taught to me and everybody in my generation that, oh, the past was bad because they were obsessed with race and because they felt like some people had higher or lower status due to their racial characteristics.
[00:23:51]  That's why it was bad.
[00:23:54]  Let's not do that anymore.
[00:23:56]  That was kind of the spirit of the whole thing.
[00:23:58]  Rob, you grew up an Orthodox Jew.
[00:24:00]  You never learned about any of this stuff.
[00:24:02]  Nope.
[00:24:02]  It was don't talk to those people.
[00:24:04]  It was a class.
[00:24:05]  It was really cold.
[00:24:06]  Yeah, we did used to have slavery in Egypt.
[00:24:10]  It was a big problem.
[00:24:11]  Then we baked some matzo.
[00:24:12]  We got the hell out of there.
[00:24:13]  Yeah, it was, these people are trying to steal our claim to free goods.
[00:24:17]  This is our racket.
[00:24:19]  All right, let's keep playing.
[00:24:22]  In order to understand why there has been such appointing of very specific racial things, like women couldn't go to get into colleges.
[00:24:35]  If you are a black person, a lot of colleges wouldn't accept you.
[00:24:39]  Trying to equal the playing field.
[00:24:41]  I think that's what a lot of folks have been trying to do.
[00:24:44]  I'm sorry, I didn't want to cut you.
[00:24:46]  I think that's your experience and that's valid.
[00:24:48]  You know, as a counterpoint, when I was in fifth grade, we all washed roots together in public school.
[00:24:56]  Yeah.
[00:24:56]  So these are different experiences.
[00:24:58]  I think it's also different generations.
[00:25:00]  It's different parts of the country, right?
[00:25:02]  We have very different cultures all living together in one country.
[00:25:06]  So I'm not going to deny that.
[00:25:07]  But I think I view this notion of a colorblind society similar to the idea of a peaceful society, which is to say it's an ideal.
[00:25:14]  It's a North Star.
[00:25:15]  And the point is not that we're ever going to get there.
[00:25:17]  We're not going to touch it.
[00:25:18]  But we have to know when we're going forward and when we're going backwards.
[00:25:21]  And we're going backwards when we're doing woke kindergarten in San Francisco, you know, with, you didn't hear about this story?
[00:25:28]  No, you know, but wait, but I want to get to the part of the book.
[00:25:32]  But actually, you believe that public policies that address socioeconomic differences would be better at benefiting disadvantaged groups and that race-based policies often hurt the very people they're trying to help.
[00:25:43]  What are some examples of policies that would be better at reducing racial disparities?
[00:25:49]  So my overall argument is that class socioeconomics is a better proxy for disadvantage.
[00:25:55]  We all want to help the disadvantaged.
[00:25:56]  And the question is, how do we identify them, right?
[00:25:59]  The default right now in a lot of areas of policy is to use black and Hispanic identity as a proxy for disadvantage.
[00:26:06]  And my argument is that you actually get a better picture of who needs help by looking at socioeconomics and income.
[00:26:13]  Okay, let's pause people in a moment.
[00:26:15]  So this is where I guess he's a bit of a lefty.
[00:26:20]  And I find these things just kind of stupid.
[00:26:23]  But like for Coleman Hughes, look, I get the argument that he's making, right?
[00:26:29]  Which is that if you're going to have programs that are targeted to help someone, make it target poorer people, like actually disadvantaged people, not just people based on the color of their skin.
[00:26:44]  I'll say this, okay?
[00:26:46]  So first, let me put my anti-leftist point on this.
[00:26:53]  If you're arguing that the policies that are targeted to help black people actually hurt black people, why the hell would you want those same policies targeted to help poor people?
[00:27:05]  Which, by the way, we've had a war on poverty in this country since the 60s.
[00:27:11]  There doesn't seem to be any evidence that it's actually helped poor people.
[00:27:13]  So again, if you actually wanted to help people lower off in the socioeconomic ladder, then probably what you would want to do is stop rigging the entire system against them on behalf of the powerful.
[00:27:25]  So there's lots of things we could do.
[00:27:27]  It would all involve repealing government programs, abolishing government programs, not adding other ones.
[00:27:33]  However, now that I've got my anti-leftist bona fidas out there, I will say that from the leftist point of view, I don't see how there's a counter argument to this.
[00:27:45]  I think they're going to attempt to make it in a second, but there's no coherent counter argument.
[00:27:50]  So like, if you're saying the people who lack privilege, well, are you really telling me that the Obama twin or not twins, the Obama daughters lack privilege?
[00:27:59]  They have more privilege than anyone else in our society.
[00:28:02]  So helping them doesn't do anything to help the less fortunate.
[00:28:05]  So obviously you would just target people who are poorer.
[00:28:09]  I think the privilege pyramid is a tricky science.
[00:28:12]  And to just say that the most disenfranchised and the poorest need the most help is the wrong way to look at the pyramid privilege.
[00:28:20]  And it's more about the infractions that have happened in the past that give you automatic bonus points, putting you higher up the bonus privilege.
[00:28:27]  So if we've got a legacy of racism and slavery, even if they're doing better now than let's say people that just recently snuck into our country that happen to also be a different shade of, you know, brown, but the point is we have to help the blacks that we hurt first.
[00:28:45]  And that's the way the pyramid privilege is supposed to privilege of pyramid.
[00:28:48]  I don't even know what I'm talking about.
[00:28:50]  Well, it does.
[00:28:52]  You know, I think it was, I think Jordan Peterson may have made this point years ago or Soljanitsky.
[00:29:02]  Someone, he might have been repeating it from other people, but there's this kind of like, say, the communists, right?
[00:29:08]  You could, they might assert that what motivates them is a love of the working class people.
[00:29:16]  But just because they claim that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
[00:29:19]  People can claim what their motivations are.

=== Helping Poor White People Too (02:05) ===

[00:29:21]  And that doesn't mean that that's what their motivations actually are.
[00:29:24]  And Jordan Peterson kind of posed the question, like, well, is it your love of the working class that's motivating you?
[00:29:32]  Or is it your hatred of the successful?
[00:29:35]  And if we want to get to the bottom of that, let's look at how they behave and see what really seems to be motivating them here.
[00:29:41]  It's like kind of Misesian insight, right?
[00:29:43]  That your actions speak louder about your true values than just what you say.
[00:29:51]  Like for other words, the Misesian like argument, Ludwig von Mises, greatest economist to ever live, would be something along the lines of like, look, I could, let's say I walk by a store and in the storefront window, there's a hat for $10 and I got $10 in my pocket and I go, man, I really want that hat more than I want this $10.
[00:30:14]  Okay, so that's me saying it.
[00:30:17]  What we can deduce from that isn't exactly clear.
[00:30:20]  But if I go into the store and buy the hat, then we can very clearly deduce that I valued the hat more than I valued the $10.
[00:30:28]  And also we could deduce that the store valued the $10 more than the hat.
[00:30:31]  Cause why else would we voluntarily trade them unless we perceived one to be worth more to us than the other?
[00:30:38]  So in a similar sense, you can kind of look at people's actions and say, hey, what's really motivating you here?
[00:30:44]  And if you were to look at, say, the actions of any woke progressive, and when I say actions, I even just mean what they say.
[00:30:53]  Because in this case, it's a little bit different that that is kind of an action.
[00:30:57]  You say, hey, what's really motivating you here?
[00:30:59]  Is it that you really just want to help disenfranchise poor black people?
[00:31:05]  Or is it that you hate white people?
[00:31:08]  Right?
[00:31:09]  Like, is it actually that you want to help the group you're advocating on behalf of?
[00:31:12]  Or do you just hate the group you're advocating against?
[00:31:15]  And I would say to anybody paying attention, it's very clearly the latter that is more of a motivating factor for more people swept up in this insanity.

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[00:31:26]  And one of the reasons, if you look at it from that lens, then you immediately see where it's like, oh, well, why don't we just advocate to help poor people?
[00:31:37]  And the issue there is that then you'd have to be advocating to help poor white people also.
[00:31:42]  And you would have to kind of look at where if there are, let's say, very poor white people, as there are a lot of all over the world and in this country, you would have to give up on the idea that like somehow that guy deserves that.
[00:31:58]  That's his fault.
[00:31:59]  Whereas the poor black person is there because of systemic issues or historical injustices or something like that.
[00:32:08]  And so I think that's what a lot of them don't want to give up on in accepting his view.
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=== Progressive Wokeism Criticism (15:42) ===

[00:33:28]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:33:31]  All right, let's keep playing.
[00:33:34]  A more accurate way.
[00:33:38]  Not my question, but when you say that socioeconomics picks out people in a better way than race, when you do look at the socioeconomics, you see the huge disparity between white households and black households.
[00:33:52]  You see the huge disparity between white households and Hispanic households.
[00:33:57]  So your argument, and I've read your book twice because I wanted to give it a chance.
[00:34:01]  Your argument that race has no place in that equation is really fundamentally flawed.
[00:34:09]  Well, there's two separate questions.
[00:34:11]  One is it's hard to overstate just how dumb the ladies of the view are.
[00:34:21]  Like when they're met with even like a somewhat nuanced argument and the point that someone is making a point that's not Donald Trump bad, Joe Biden, good, Joe Biden, wife, doctor.
[00:34:35]  You know, like it, but it's so just think about how she actually responded to this, that he goes, look, if we actually want to make a difference here and help, we shouldn't have policies that are targeting racial groups.
[00:34:48]  We should have policies that are targeting those who have fallen behind.
[00:34:53]  And her response is, yeah, but black people have more people who have fallen behind.
[00:35:00]  Aha.
[00:35:02]  And it's like, well, yeah, okay, then it's going to collect more of them if your policies are targeting those who have fallen behind.
[00:35:11]  This is not like rocket science.
[00:35:13]  This is fairly basic stuff.
[00:35:15]  But if that's your argument, then okay, that's that just supports his case more.
[00:35:21]  Okay, then you would want to target those socioeconomically disadvantaged people.
[00:35:25]  And if it happens to be that more black people are falling into that group, then okay, you'll get more black people that you're helping in that group.
[00:35:32]  By the way, I'm not a lefty, so I reject all of this gobbity gook because it's nonsense.
[00:35:38]  But like his point still stands.
[00:35:42]  If you break down our argument, let's just say that we're specifically literally just talking in wealth redistribution and handing money to people, let's say in the bottom 5% of society.
[00:35:51]  Let's just say that that's what he's saying.
[00:35:53]  And she goes, well, no, we can't do that because really the people that we need to help are the black people.
[00:35:58]  So what she's arguing is that blacks that were wealthier than 5% should get the wealth that would go to the poor people in the 3% and 4% category because it's more important to help black people than it is people that are poor.
[00:36:13]  And this is my point.
[00:36:14]  What's really motivating you here is that you want to help black people or is that you want to make sure you do not help white people?
[00:36:22]  Because again, right.
[00:36:23]  Like if you were to say, it's as if the argument, like the way you put it, let's say, oh, we're going to help the bottom 5% of people.
[00:36:29]  That's what we should be targeting.
[00:36:31]  And she goes, well, did you know that black people disproportionately make up the bottom 5%?
[00:36:35]  Well, then it sounds like my measure due to certain causes.
[00:36:38]  So let's help those black people.
[00:36:39]  The other thing, obviously other than, you know, just like this kind of hostility toward white people, which is, I mean, you know, I think if anybody's being honest and judging, say, like college campuses over the last decade or even like rhetoric on cable news shows or rhetoric from politicians, it's pretty clear that that's the case.
[00:36:58]  But, you know, there is something about progressive wokeism.
[00:37:06]  And I've mentioned this before, but one of the things that's the, that, that's infuriating about it.
[00:37:10]  And again, leaving aside any of our arguments about how very, you know, the free market is the best mechanism at lifting people out of poverty and that government policies do a lot to screw over poor people and working and middle class people and all of the ways that we could shrink the state and help so many of these people.
[00:37:36]  But even leaving aside like our libertarian arguments, there is something one of the most disgusting elements of woke progressivism,
[00:37:48]  say the variety that's been dominant over the last 10 years in academia and in amongst the political class and the media class and Hollywood and stuff like that, is that we do live in a country where there are many not so small pockets of the country where, let's say black people, for example, are really struggling.
[00:38:15]  I mean, just in horrific ways.
[00:38:18]  And, you know, I've mentioned this before on Fox News, and I use this specifically as an example because all of them have been on this train a million times.
[00:38:26]  But if you take the Amtrak from New York to Washington, D.C., which is probably everybody who works in the corporate media has been on that Axela train a million times.
[00:38:39]  Just look out your window as you pass through Baltimore.
[00:38:43]  Just look out your window and you tell me what you see, you know?
[00:38:47]  And it's neighborhoods with buildings falling apart, bridges falling apart.
[00:38:54]  Just horrific conditions.
[00:38:57]  And it's black neighborhoods that you're looking at.
[00:39:00]  And there are like black kids coming up in these neighborhoods that are so disadvantaged compared to the rest of us.
[00:39:08]  And forget the libertarian thing for a second, whatever the policy you think is, it would be totally reasonable for somebody to be like, hey, we need to have a policy that helps those people.
[00:39:22]  You know, like even if you weren't making it colorblind, you were specifically saying the black people in these neighborhoods need help.
[00:39:30]  These kids are growing up in horrific conditions.
[00:39:32]  That is like, it's as if they're not growing up in a first world country.
[00:39:36]  It's awful.
[00:39:38]  Okay, whether you agree with the policy or not, you could certainly understand why someone would want a policy that would help those people.
[00:39:45]  That makes sense.
[00:39:47]  But woke progressivism, when manifested, is almost never targeted at that.
[00:39:54]  Almost never does that even come up.
[00:39:57]  You never, in any of like the pop woke issues of the day, they're never talking about like what would actually help that kid in the projects in Baltimore who's got a drug addict mom and no father present.
[00:40:12]  What would help him?
[00:40:13]  What could make his life a little bit better?
[00:40:15]  It's always like some black girl on a college campus was offended by something her professor said.
[00:40:23]  And you're like, wait, wait a minute.
[00:40:25]  We're talking about there's a black girl who's going to college and she's offended.
[00:40:32]  That's who I'm trying to help out?
[00:40:35]  You know, like that shouldn't be the priority.
[00:40:38]  It always becomes upper middle class white woman values.
[00:40:44]  I was offended is what wokeism always comes back to.
[00:40:47]  And so it's like you, what they get away with doing is invoking that poor kid in Baltimore or whatever to then try to justify a policy for upper middle class women.
[00:41:01]  And that to me is just disgusting because not only are you not helping that kid at all, but you're using him to score political points.
[00:41:09]  That's, I think, what so much, so many of us hate about this stuff, or one of the many aspects of what we hate about this stuff.
[00:41:16]  Okay, let's keep playing.
[00:41:18]  Well, there's two separate questions.
[00:41:20]  One is whether each racial group is socioeconomically the same.
[00:41:25]  I agree with you.
[00:41:25]  They're not.
[00:41:26]  Yeah, they're not.
[00:41:27]  And this is what.
[00:41:28]  Yeah, of course, I agree with that fully.
[00:41:30]  The question is, how do you address that in the way that actually targets poverty the best?
[00:41:34]  And what Martin Luther King wrote in his book, Why We Can't Wait, is he called it, we need a Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged.
[00:41:41]  And he said, yes, we should address racial inequality.
[00:41:43]  Yes, we should address the legacy of slavery.
[00:41:45]  But the way to do that is on the basis of class.
[00:41:48]  And that will disproportionately target blacks and Hispanics because they're disproportionately poor.
[00:41:53]  But it will be doing so in a way that also helps the white poor, in a way that addresses poverty as the thing to be addressed.
[00:41:59]  That part is true, but as you are a student of Dr. King, I'm not only a student of Dr. King, I know his daughter, Bernice, right?
[00:42:07]  So I'm going to get to my question.
[00:42:09]  Go ahead, go right ahead.
[00:42:12]  I think the premise is fundamentally flawed.
[00:42:15]  claim that colorblindness was the goal of the civil rights movement based upon Dr. King's I Have a Dream speech, you know, content of character versus the color of skin.
[00:42:27]  Bernice, Dr. King's daughter, points out that four years after giving that speech, actually, Dr. King also said this.
[00:42:37]  A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for Negroes.
[00:42:44]  He also said in 1968, it was about less than a week before he was assassinated.
[00:42:49]  This country never stops to realize that they owe a people kept in slavery for 244 years.
[00:42:58]  So rather than class, he did write about that earlier on.
[00:43:02]  Right before his death, he made the argument for racial equality and racial reparations.
[00:43:09]  And so your argument for colorblindness, I think, is something that the right has co-opted.
[00:43:15]  And so many in the black community, if I'm being honest with you, because I want to be, believe that you are being used as a pawn by the right and that you're a charlatan, of sorts.
[00:43:26]  You're not a Republican.
[00:43:27]  So how do you vote for the public?
[00:43:29]  You've said that you're a conservative.
[00:43:32]  No, you did.
[00:43:32]  You actually said that podcast that you did two weeks ago.
[00:43:36]  I said I was a conservative.
[00:43:37]  He acknowledged it.
[00:43:39]  But my question to you, my question to you is, how do you respond to those critics?
[00:43:45]  Okay, but let's give it an edge.
[00:43:47]  What an answer is that you're going to be able to do that.
[00:43:49]  I think it's very important.
[00:43:50]  The quote that you just pointed out about doing something special for the Negro, that's from the book Why We Can't Wait that I just mentioned.
[00:43:58]  Yes.
[00:43:58]  A couple paragraphs later, he lays out exactly what that something special was.
[00:44:02]  And it was the Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged, a broad class-based pop up.
[00:44:07]  But he also says you must include race.
[00:44:10]  No, he didn't.
[00:44:11]  He says it's...
[00:44:11]  Yes, he does.
[00:44:12]  Okay, well, everyone can go.
[00:44:13]  Everyone should go read the book, Why We Can't Wait.
[00:44:15]  Let's not get sidetracked by that.
[00:44:16]  Yeah, good morning.
[00:44:18]  I don't think I've been co-opted by anyone.
[00:44:19]  I've only voted twice, both for Democrats.
[00:44:21]  Although I'm an independent, I would vote for a Republican, probably a non-Trump Republican if they were compelling.
[00:44:27]  I don't think there's any evidence I've been co-opted by anyone, and I think that that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address really the important conversations we're having here.
[00:44:37]  And I think it's better, and it would be better for everyone if we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me with no evidence.
[00:44:45]  I want to give you the opportunity to respond to the criticism.
[00:44:48]  I appreciate the criticism.
[00:44:49]  I appreciate it.
[00:44:50]  There's no evidence that I've been co-opted by anyone.
[00:44:52]  I have an independent podcast.
[00:44:54]  I work for CNN as an analyst.
[00:44:57]  I write for the free press.
[00:44:58]  I'm independent in all of these endeavors, and no one is paying me to say what I'm saying.
[00:45:03]  I'm saying it because I feel it.
[00:45:04]  Alyssa, you have the question.
[00:45:06]  Coleman, thanks for being here.
[00:45:07]  So in the past decade, it feels like racial tensions have gotten worse.
[00:45:11]  Do you see it that way and what do you attribute it to?
[00:45:14]  Absolutely.
[00:45:14]  I mean, if you look at all the data, it finds that race relations were getting better until about 2013.
[00:45:20]  That year, you had a majority of black, Hispanic, and white Americans saying race relations were good.
[00:45:25]  And then you just see it nosedive.
[00:45:27]  And 2013, you know, people like to blame, Republicans like to blame Obama.
[00:45:31]  It wasn't his fault.
[00:45:32]  Democrats like to blame Trump.
[00:45:34]  It was actually just technology.
[00:45:35]  We all got social media and smartphones, and we had videos being promoted in the algorithm.
[00:45:41]  Let's just pause it there.
[00:45:42]  We can end the video.
[00:45:43]  That was kind of the point that I wanted to get to.
[00:45:45]  And this is something that I got in a pretty lively debate with Tim Poole about last time I was on his show.
[00:45:52]  And I do think it's important to note that this is wrong.
[00:45:58]  This is wrong.
[00:46:00]  It's not true that what happened is that we got technology.
[00:46:03]  And therefore, technology sent race relations back.
[00:46:07]  The argument goes something like, all the race stuff played really well in the algorithms.
[00:46:15]  And so everyone just started catering to what the algorithms wanted.
[00:46:19]  And that's why the corporate media started being obsessed with race over the last 10 years.
[00:46:24]  It's just not true.
[00:46:26]  It's not true.
[00:46:27]  And I'm not saying that there's absolutely no factor in that.
[00:46:29]  Like there certainly there were pockets of little things that played very well.
[00:46:34]  The cops abusing people videos did very well in the algorithm.
[00:46:38]  And I'm sure the technology had some effect on all of this, but it's just not true that this is why every powerful person, including the show that they're on right now, it's amazing.
[00:46:49]  Rob, you ever like go back and see where they'll, there's a few videos that people love to post of Don Lemon before the rise of all the woke stuff.
[00:46:59]  And he did this one long video about what black people can do.
[00:47:04]  And he was like, well, here's the first thing you could do.
[00:47:06]  Pull your pants up.
[00:47:08]  Turn your hat around.
[00:47:10]  Stop talking in broken ebonics.
[00:47:13]  Learn how to go on a job interview.
[00:47:15]  Like, cause this was just like, it's Don Lemon.
[00:47:17]  He's a, he's a gay white guy.
[00:47:19]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:20]  So he's just like, I don't know.
[00:47:21]  What do I think about like the hood?
[00:47:22]  Stop being so hood.
[00:47:23]  Like that's the answer to your problems.
[00:47:26]  Anyway, my point is that all of these people, including the women at this table, would have spoken about race in a drastically different way 15 years ago.
[00:47:36]  And what happened is not simply that, oh, this played well in the algorithm.
[00:47:41]  And my argument when I was arguing this with Tim Poole, I was like, well, look, think about what you're saying here is what you're saying is that what they're chasing is ratings.
[00:47:52]  What they're chasing is clicks and eyeballs.
[00:47:56]  But if the corporate media were really chasing clicks and eyeballs, then they would have been do they would be doing stories about Jeffrey Epstein, vaccine injuries, all these things, all the things that say Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan will do shows about and get 10 times the ratings that these shows have.
[00:48:18]  Why is it that they won't touch any of those topics?
[00:48:20]  I thought your thesis here relied on they're just chasing ratings and clicks and eyeballs.
[00:48:27]  So why won't they touch any of these topics?
[00:48:30]  Oh yeah, because they upset powerful people.
[00:48:32]  And so they're not actually in the business of just getting clicks and views.
[00:48:36]  They're in the business of not upsetting powerful people.
[00:48:40]  And so then you might ask yourself, why is it that for the last decade, the entire corporate media, and there's Nexus charts you can look at to back this up, decided that wokeism was what we were going to obsess over.
[00:48:55]  And I think you can deduce from that that it didn't upset powerful people for that to be the topic of conversation.
[00:49:01]  And perhaps powerful people even liked that being the topic of conversation.
[00:49:06]  What happened was Barack Obama had to run for reelection.

=== Not Upsetting Powerful People (03:48) ===

[00:49:10]  And they had to find something to kind of gin him up on.
[00:49:16]  And they went with identity politics because they couldn't really look to much else.
[00:49:20]  And at the same time, people were waking up to the corruption in the system.
[00:49:24]  And it was a divide and conquer strategy to pit everyone against each other.
[00:49:27]  That's what happened.
[00:49:28]  In conclusion, this racist, this racialist, race-based identitarianism is stupid.
[00:49:36]  By the way, Martin Luther King's whole idea of a bill of rights for the poor was also stupid.
[00:49:43]  Martin Luther King was a socialist and his economic policies would have been very, very bad if they were ever implemented.
[00:49:50]  This is not none of those groups of people need the retards on the view to figure out how to lift them up.
[00:49:59]  People need freedom.
[00:50:01]  That's what they need.
[00:50:02]  They can create their own prosperity.
[00:50:04]  They don't need any of you guys to sit around a table and argue over which policies you're going to implement to save them from themselves.
[00:50:11]  And unless, in a sense, there is something about the socialist perspective that is kind of supremacist in a way.
[00:50:20]  That you feel like you're so much better than these poor people that you must devise a plan in order for them to succeed.
[00:50:26]  But like, did you need that to succeed?
[00:50:28]  Okay.
[00:50:29]  So maybe get out of their fucking way and give them a shot at making a better life.
[00:50:34]  Okay.
[00:50:35]  All right.
[00:50:36]  Let's let's we got time for one more here.
[00:50:39]  And it's kind of on a similar topic.
[00:50:44]  But here was on Joy Ann Reed's show on MSNBC.
[00:50:48]  The mayor of Baltimore, who a lot has been made about lately.
[00:50:52]  I will first say he is getting some unfair flack from like right-wingers on social media.
[00:50:58]  I guess they're, they're calling him a DEI mayor.
[00:51:02]  And they're, I guess some people were like blaming him for the that bridge collapsing.
[00:51:07]  I should say, I don't, I don't.
[00:51:10]  I always said the Baltimore mayor was weak on bridges.
[00:51:13]  I always said it.
[00:51:14]  I don't think mayors are really in charge of international shipping, but whatever.
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[00:52:41]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:52:43]  Let's play this.
[00:52:44]  White mayor with a reinforcement bridges.
[00:52:48]  Allow you, Mayor Scott, if you choose to do so, to respond to the tomfoolery and attacks on you for having the nerve to be black and also a mayor.

=== Black Men as Boogeymen (06:10) ===

[00:52:59]  Well, I think, listen, I know, and we all know, and you know very well, that black men and young black men in particular have been the boogeyman for those who are racist and think that only straight, wealthy white men should have a say in anything.
[00:53:14]  We've been the boogeyman from them since the first day they brought us to this country.
[00:53:19]  And what they mean by DII, in my opinion, is duly elected incumbent.
[00:53:24]  We know what they want to say, but they don't have the courage to say the N-word.
[00:53:27]  And the fact that I don't believe in their untruthful and wrong ideology, and I am very proud of you.
[00:53:35]  Isn't it amazing when you just poke your head into woke progressive corners, just how insane they are?
[00:53:42]  The guy starts off by saying that we're the boogeyman.
[00:53:45]  Then he says, we're the boogeyman for people who believe that only rich, straight white men ought to have a say in anything.
[00:53:55]  And they wish they could say the N-word, but it's not like, who's creating boogeymen here?
[00:53:59]  What are you talking about?
[00:54:02]  Who are they?
[00:54:02]  Listen, let me tell you something.
[00:54:04]  Let me just ease your mind.
[00:54:08]  If there are any white dudes who are just dying to say the N-word so badly, they'll just say it.
[00:54:18]  The rest of us aren't like sitting here like, oh, I sure wish I could say the N-word, but all I can say is DEI.
[00:54:24]  So I'll just say that instead.
[00:54:26]  Again, it reminds you that Elon Musk clip with Don Lemon.
[00:54:29]  It's like there's a very simple argument against DEI.
[00:54:32]  I know none of you guys can take it on, but like, yeah, lowering standards for some ridiculous notion of like racial equity is bad for everybody.
[00:54:43]  It's not just bad for the racial groups that you will be discriminating against under the law.
[00:54:48]  It's also bad for the rest of us because, you know, if you have an engineer or a pilot or a doctor or anything like that, you really don't want standards to be lowered.
[00:54:57]  It's going to lead to you having worse engineers, pilots, and doctors.
[00:55:02]  Here you go.
[00:55:04]  All right, let's keep playing.
[00:55:08]  Heritage and who I am and where I come from scares them because me being on my position means that their way of thinking, their way of life of being comfortable and suffering and while everyone else suffers is going to be at risk.
[00:55:21]  And they should be afraid because that's my purpose in life.
[00:55:24]  And by the way, you know, the code reinforce if you're actively threatening, hey, if young black men come to power, we're coming for you.
[00:55:34]  Doesn't that actually manifest the exact thing that you think people are thinking?
[00:55:40]  Is it not reasonable to say that if you are the mayor, the duly elected incumbent, as you called yourself, perhaps the mayor of any major city in the United States of America shouldn't be telling any racial group that they should be afraid of them?
[00:55:58]  Maybe that's a good policy proposal.
[00:56:01]  We're just a.
[00:56:02]  And then if people go, hey, I'm kind of afraid of the guy who said he's going to take my shit.
[00:56:06]  You go, hey, you can't say that.
[00:56:07]  I'm a black man.
[00:56:08]  What are you afraid?
[00:56:09]  Because I'm a black man.
[00:56:10]  No, because you said you were going to take my shit.
[00:56:12]  Well, you should be afraid.
[00:56:14]  Like, Jesus Christ.
[00:56:15]  Well, that didn't alleviate my fears.
[00:56:19]  I mean, it is.
[00:56:20]  Look, and I mean this, and I'm not saying this is true for everybody in the world.
[00:56:26]  And I'm not saying this is true for everyone who is an opponent of DEI.
[00:56:32]  But the truth is that if anyone were speaking about any racial group, the way they freely and comfortably speak about white people, we would be opposing it.
[00:56:49]  We would 100% be opposing it.
[00:56:51]  If they were getting up there and speaking about black people this way, like, oh, black people are afraid because I'm the mayor.
[00:56:56]  Guess what?
[00:56:56]  You should be afraid.
[00:56:57]  You'd be like, whoa, dude, that's crazy.
[00:57:01]  Don't talk about any racial group that way.
[00:57:03]  That's just like, that's fucking insane.
[00:57:06]  I would feel this way about any group, but somehow they're just this comfortable to talk about white people this way.
[00:57:13]  Anyway, let's keep playing.
[00:57:16]  Racism.
[00:57:17]  Before we even knew the nationalities of the men, Maria Bartaromo was out there talking about open borders and trying to somehow signal that they wanted to go after the brown people too, because of course that is their other target.
[00:57:28]  We know that the men who were doing this hard construction work overnight, trying to fix the potholes on this bridge, working very hard, were Latino.
[00:57:37]  And so that's now on the table too.
[00:57:40]  We know that this ship, which came from Singapore, was piloted by a very heroic crew from India who's made a call saved lives, not maybe saved lives, but did.
[00:57:49]  So this is a full-throated attack.
[00:57:51]  But this is also what America is.
[00:57:54]  It is people of multiple races who do the hard work to make America work and literally make it work.
[00:58:00]  Well, there you go.
[00:58:02]  That's what America is.
[00:58:03]  Latinos on a bridge.
[00:58:06]  That is it.
[00:58:07]  And that is all we should say.
[00:58:08]  Look, it's just interesting to me that he opens this clip up talking about a boogeyman and the idea that, and look, I don't know exactly what Maria Bertaramo said and all types of stuff is said on Fox News that I think is dumb.
[00:58:23]  And maybe she said something dumb.
[00:58:25]  I just honestly don't know.
[00:58:27]  But the idea of going like of saying that, hey, our borders are wide open.
[00:58:34]  And so we're concerned about that, what that means for the security of a nation is not racist.
[00:58:42]  It's just not.
[00:58:43]  And the fact that there's, it's, it's all brown people.
[00:58:47]  I shouldn't say all brown people, Asian people, but there's African people, whatever.
[00:58:53]  But the fact that it's non-whites predominantly who are coming over that border, I shouldn't say predominantly exclusively, pretty much, who are coming over that border, that doesn't change the fact that it's not a racist statement to be like, I'm concerned about the security risks of a wide open border.

=== Convincing Kids of a Boogeyman (02:43) ===

[00:59:10]  But anyway, this is, look, I don't know what the effect of this is.
[00:59:17]  I've certainly watched, say, like since October 7th, and the loudest proponents of the war in Gaza have been trying their best to kind of like scare Jewish people into thinking that like you're, you know, you're about to be Holocausted again unless we do something.
[00:59:39]  I've seen that have real effects on people.
[00:59:43]  I will say that back to the point that I was making earlier, if we were to actually say what I do think like all decent people should be thinking about is like, hey, if you're thinking about like, you know, like if you think about wherever it is, where's in Chicago where there's the big murders at the south side of Chicago, I think is where the real rough neighborhoods are.
[01:00:03]  And they're like always talking about how many homicides and stuff there are.
[01:00:07]  Do you think about a neighborhood like that?
[01:00:08]  And think about the kids that are growing up there around all of that stuff.
[01:00:11]  Think about areas like Camden, New Jersey or Newark, New Jersey, or, you know, like the hood in Baltimore or wherever, any of these areas.
[01:00:20]  There's kids growing up there.
[01:00:22]  And I think if, you know, if people are like, hey, I want to think about what I can do to help those kids, I'm all for that.
[01:00:29]  The worst thing you could do for these kids is this, is to try to convince them of a boogeyman, ironically, as you claim that's what the other side is doing, that there's this boogeyman that just wants to come and crack down on all brown people and they just hate you so much for being you.
[01:00:48]  That is just not the reality in this country.
[01:00:51]  It's not the reality.
[01:00:53]  And there's lots of other things that are contributing factors to what fucks over some people in these groups, but it ain't that.
[01:01:00]  And telling people that is like the worst thing you could do to them.
[01:01:03]  Just the worst.
[01:01:04]  And I just want white mayors who are better on bridges.
[01:01:09]  And I'm just saying before we started having black mayors, none of our bridges ever fell down.
[01:01:12]  That's all I'm saying.
[01:01:14]  Coincidence?
[01:01:14]  I don't know.
[01:01:15]  I'll let him off the hook for that one.
[01:01:17]  But the rest of this is just so goddamn stupid.
[01:01:20]  I also just hate, I hate people who are overly proud of their like race or gender or sexual orientation or anything like that.
[01:01:38]  It's just always the worst.
[01:01:40]  You know, it's always the worst when there's just like a gay guy who's like, as a gay guy, and I'm a gay guy and this is a gay guy.
[01:01:45]  It's like, oh, okay, dude.
[01:01:46]  Like, I totally would be with you if a gay guy got up and said, hey, the fact that I'm gay shouldn't hold me back at all.

=== Self-Absorbed and Childish (00:44) ===

[01:01:53]  Okay.
[01:01:53]  Sure.
[01:01:54]  Reasonable enough.
[01:01:55]  But when you wear it like a badge of honor, as if it's your accomplishment, I just hate that.
[01:02:01]  And I hate when like people like this like, dude, you're the mayor.
[01:02:03]  I'm not like feeling bad for you.
[01:02:05]  I don't look at you as a victim.
[01:02:07]  You're a mayor.
[01:02:09]  Go tell me about what you're doing.
[01:02:11]  And just sit here and be like, as a mayor, and I'm a black man and everybody hates me because I'm black.
[01:02:16]  And stuff is just so, it's so incredibly self-absorbed and childish and just wrong.
[01:02:26]  Anyway, that's where we'll wrap today's episode.
[01:02:28]  We will be back very soon with a brand new one.
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[01:02:36]  Catch you next time.
[01:02:37]  Peace.