Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Media Reacts To The List
Aired: 2024-01-12
Duration: 01:00:27


=== Government Overreach and Fraud (11:21) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up!
[00:00:02]  You are listening to the gas human.
[00:00:08]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:10]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:12]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:16]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:21]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:33]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:37]  I am Dave Smith, and I'm joined by my partner in crime, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, the king of the cocks, COVID.
[00:00:43]  Jesus, how you feeling, brother?
[00:00:45]  How's 2024 treating you?
[00:00:47]  Oh, I'm having fun, man.
[00:00:48]  I'm getting into the city, doing some more spots.
[00:00:50]  Got the studio opening up soon.
[00:00:52]  I'm feeling good.
[00:00:53]  Rob's got a lot of big things coming up.
[00:00:55]  A lot of big things coming up.
[00:00:56]  And me and Rob will be together on...
[00:00:59]  Oh, God damn it.
[00:01:00]  My website is down, but it's okay.
[00:01:03]  I know.
[00:01:03]  We're going to the Brea Improv in Brea, California.
[00:01:08]  That's going to be a lot of fun.
[00:01:10]  It's one night only, but we're going to tear it up out there.
[00:01:15]  So come join us.
[00:01:16]  And we got a bunch more stuff coming up over the next few weeks and months here.
[00:01:22]  I'll rattle some of them off for you, but we will be at the Brea Improv.
[00:01:26]  Then we'll be in the Stress Factory in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
[00:01:31]  We'll be back in Zane's Rosemond in Chicago, setting up Zani's Nashville as well.
[00:01:37]  Key West Comedy Club.
[00:01:39]  We'll be back in Hyenas in Dallas and Fort Worth.
[00:01:42]  A lot of fun stuff coming up.
[00:01:44]  We'll be on the road a bunch together.
[00:01:45]  ComicDaveSmith.com.
[00:01:47]  Don't go there this second, but go there relatively soon.
[00:01:50]  I'll get on the phone with my website guy when I get off when I get off this call.
[00:01:54]  Yeah.
[00:01:54]  So actually, I think he may have told me they're like switching things over or something.
[00:01:59]  But anyway, it should all be up there soon.
[00:02:01]  ComicdaveSmith.com.
[00:02:02]  And of course, RobbieTheFire.com for all of Rob's live dates.
[00:02:07]  Okay.
[00:02:08]  So there's been a couple big topics.
[00:02:13]  Two big topics that have been very interesting to me, and I'm sure to you and a lot of our listeners, viewers, that have been all in the news over the last few days.
[00:02:23]  The two that I'm thinking of are January 6th and Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:02:29]  So, of course, just a few days ago was the anniversary of January 6th, the three-year anniversary.
[00:02:39]  We're all still recovering from the trauma.
[00:02:42]  And of course, there were a whole bunch of documents that were dumped on or that were released by the court on Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:02:49]  So I want to talk about both of these things because it's just been pretty, I don't know, kind of remarkable.
[00:02:57]  And I think that both of these events, if there was something that kind of connected both of them, and what I love about both of the stories, I don't know, there's some things not to love about them, but they do a lot to kind of reveal what's really going on here.
[00:03:16]  And I think that one of the things that I'm very encouraged by is that it does seem to me that one of the things, and obviously there's many things that are different about the moment we're living in than previous moments in this country.
[00:03:30]  But it seems like one of the big differences here is that the propaganda is so outrageously transparently stupid and based off lies that a large degree of people are just not buying it anymore.
[00:03:49]  And that is very encouraging to me.
[00:03:51]  So there was a big zero hedge debate about January 6th.
[00:03:59]  Of course, Zero Hedge has started doing this debate series now.
[00:04:03]  I was quite honored to be in the first one.
[00:04:07]  I also, in hindsight now, realize I am quite fortunate that it was a one-on-one debate and not a three-on-three where I'm in Brazil.
[00:04:17]  That would have put me at a slight disadvantage.
[00:04:20]  If you guys haven't seen it, it was the two brothers whose names I'm blanking on, that Destiny guy.
[00:04:28]  And then they debated Alex Jones and Glenn Greenwald.
[00:04:31]  And I'm also blinking on the other guy's name.
[00:04:32]  He actually did a good job in the debate, but he didn't speak that much.
[00:04:38]  I mean, Alex Jones is quite a spectacle.
[00:04:41]  That thing became, it was turned into a ridiculous shit show with interruptions of Glenn Greenwald making a ton of sense.
[00:04:49]  That's how I would describe it.
[00:04:51]  It was just like a wild, just like imagine apes just flinging their feces at the wall.
[00:04:58]  And then every now and then we'd say, let's hear something very reasonable from Glenn Greenwald.
[00:05:02]  And that was more or less the debate.
[00:05:04]  Alex Jones alone is five people talking.
[00:05:07]  So the idea that you're going to put him on a team of three, I could see Alex Jones against three.
[00:05:12]  Three against Alex Jones sounds like a reasonable fight.
[00:05:16]  Yeah.
[00:05:16]  I mean, first off, you have to, you have to count the 17 voices in Alex Jones' head as members of that debate.
[00:05:22]  Also, I mean, like, I just listen, I love the Zero Hedge guys and I loved doing the debate with them.
[00:05:28]  I'd be happy to do another debate with them.
[00:05:31]  Great team of people there.
[00:05:34]  When I say team, it's just this one Tyler Durden guy.
[00:05:37]  He writes all the articles, does all the stuff.
[00:05:39]  But it's, look, if you had just approached me with this debate on paper, like I just, I mean, I guess from Glenn Greenwald's perspective, he's like, well, I don't have to travel for it.
[00:05:51]  I don't have to leave home.
[00:05:52]  But if you, could you imagine, first off, I don't like three on three debates.
[00:05:55]  Two on two, I think, is the max.
[00:05:57]  I've seen some two on two debates that were, that are good.
[00:05:59]  One-on-one is really the way debates should be, but two-on-two occasion.
[00:06:02]  Three on three, I think is just too much.
[00:06:05]  But as you said, Rob, when one of them, could you just imagine if someone was like, okay, you're going to be, everyone else is going to be in studio, but you're going to be debating remotely.
[00:06:16]  And you were like, all right.
[00:06:18]  And then you go, all right.
[00:06:20]  Well, so who's my debate partner?
[00:06:22]  And I go, it's Alex Jones.
[00:06:25]  Alex Jones is going to be your debate partner.
[00:06:26]  You'd just be like, well, that's insane.
[00:06:28]  I can't like be remote with Alex Jones and all this going on.
[00:06:31]  Anyway, so the debate was a bit of a shit show.
[00:06:34]  But the three guys that were arguing that January 6th was an insurrection, if you combine the three of them, you might get the testosterone of one lady in women's sports.
[00:06:43]  Really?
[00:06:44]  It's unbelievable how they're like the three exact same dude and all people I'd have to walk away from in a party.
[00:06:51]  Listen, and I'll tell you, man, it's it's not just like when you say this, it's not just like you making a joke or like a little jab or even an ad hominem or something like that.
[00:07:03]  It's hard to deny that there is something to that.
[00:07:08]  There's just like, so you see this a lot with people's politics, particularly with left-wing men, where you're like, I think a huge part of the divide here is not just my argument versus your argument, my perspective versus your perspective.
[00:07:28]  It's like how much testosterone is flowing through me and you just seems to be a huge part of what's going on here.
[00:07:36]  Like how much plastic is in your water lines.
[00:07:38]  Yeah, like I don't know what accounts for it.
[00:07:40]  I don't know if it's too much soy in your diet or whatever, but like there is.
[00:07:44]  And by the way, there was, I believe, man, I might be misremembering this a little bit, but the whole soy boy thing, I think did come from one of, it was like a podcast where there were a bunch of like vegan male feminists and they tested their testosterone levels and they were all like crazy low.
[00:08:02]  And there is something about like, I think diet is related to this.
[00:08:05]  Like, I'm not, I'm not the guy who knows a ton in this area, but there is just something about like when you just look at certain people and the way they behave and the way they speak and the way like there, there's some type of like masculine, feminine thing going on here where there's just a different perspective.
[00:08:22]  Anyway, I think that, look, my, my feelings are pretty clear on this.
[00:08:29]  I think the idea of labeling January 6th an insurrection is on its face, kind of ridiculous.
[00:08:39]  To describe this as any type of meaningful attempt at a coup is just kind of goofy.
[00:08:48]  One of the things that came up in the debate quite a bit is that they would go, they would say things along the lines of like, oh, well, how was like the Black Lives Matter riots not an insurrection, but January 6th was.
[00:09:02]  And I think it's fine to kind of compare the two things.
[00:09:04]  Obviously, they're different.
[00:09:05]  It's not, they're not the exact same event.
[00:09:07]  But I also would find that kind of ridiculous.
[00:09:10]  I mean, look, if people were describing the Black Lives Matter riots, how would you describe that?
[00:09:19]  I'd say violent riots.
[00:09:21]  I don't know.
[00:09:21]  That seems to be the way to describe them.
[00:09:24]  Now, I think the point that does make a lot of sense to me is that if you were, if you remove all this bullshit about like kind of the religion that we've covered in detail, which I do not think it's a stretch by any sense of the word to call it a religion.
[00:09:43]  I mean, we've played clips of people in the corporate media who are saying things like they entered the holy building and how sacred this building is.
[00:09:52]  But if you strip all that nonsense away, because that's stupid, you go, well, yeah, I mean, look, the Black Lives Matter riots did far more damage by any metric than January 6th did.
[00:10:06]  I mean, there was billions of dollars in property damage.
[00:10:08]  There were people who were murdered.
[00:10:10]  The only person who was murdered on January 6th was murdered by the Capitol police.
[00:10:16]  And the Black Lives Matter riots, I mean, look, they, but like, if you did want to use this language, I mean, do you remember Chaz?
[00:10:24]  They set up what they claimed was their own sovereign territory within the geographical United States of America, seized people's property, rampant assaults and all types of rapes and murders and all types of shit happened throughout the Black Lives Matter riots.
[00:10:40]  There was unquestionably a much better justification for some type of crackdown on those rights, like some type of government crackdown on the Black Lives Matter riots than there ever was over January 6th.
[00:10:57]  That's just that.
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=== The Stolen Election Debate (15:04) ===

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[00:11:48]  All right, let's get back on the show.
[00:11:49]  So anyway, let's play one of the clips from Glenn Greenwald because I did think this was just excellent.
[00:11:57]  And almost everything he said, I thought was excellent.
[00:12:00]  I don't, I'm not somebody who thinks the election, that there's evidence conclusive that the election was stolen.
[00:12:05]  I do think we should be a lot more attentive to when election processes get changed out of the blue.
[00:12:11]  I go, because there's COVID, we're going to have a ton of new conventions for how we do mail-in ballots.
[00:12:17]  I think there's a lot of potential for fraud there.
[00:12:19]  I don't think there's evidence that I've seen at least that's conclusive that the 2020 election was stolen.
[00:12:23]  I do think, though, it was rigged in all sorts of ways from internet censorship to all kinds of interference on the part of the U.S. security state lying and saying that a very incriminating story about Joe Biden was the byproduct of Russian disinformation when it absolutely was not.
[00:12:39]  Facebook and Twitter censoring that story right before the election.
[00:12:42]  These are all examples of corrupting rigging by institutions of authority on the question of whether it's no, no, I don't.
[00:12:48]  I'm not somebody who thinks there's evidence that it was stolen.
[00:12:51]  Well, how would you define the difference between rigging it and stealing it?
[00:12:54]  Rigging it is when institutions of authority cheat or act corruptly in order to manipulate public opinion to prevent stories from getting to them, like those news stories about Joe Biden and the way that he exploited his family connections in Ukraine and China to profit for his family and lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation, censoring the internet to prevent stories from getting to the public, having the security state, the CIA, and the FBI that's supposed to have no role in our politics, being the ones to cook up those fabrications.
[00:13:21]  That's all examples of rigging and manipulating our democracy in the way that we accuse Russia of doing.
[00:13:26]  The U.S. security state, the corporate media, Twitter, and Facebook did that way, way worse.
[00:13:30]  Stealing the election is dumping ballots that were legitimately cast or fabricating ballots in favor of one candidate or the other that actually weren't cast, manipulating the machines in order to have the loser be the winner.
[00:13:43]  That's what I would distinguish between rigging and stealing.
[00:13:47]  I really liked that.
[00:13:49]  And I'll say, I think that's pretty much where we are on this, right?
[00:13:55]  Like, I don't want to speak for you, Rob.
[00:13:56]  You can give your thoughts, but basically, that's what we've been saying.
[00:13:59]  I'm not using that exact verbiage, but like that, that kind of is a good way to put it that I've never been really convinced.
[00:14:07]  And again, I'm not, I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out to be true.
[00:14:12]  I don't trust governments inherently.
[00:14:16]  And if somebody came with some unbelievable evidence that the Dominion voting machines were flipping votes or stealing them, I'd be like, well, look at that.
[00:14:24]  They were doing it.
[00:14:25]  I just haven't seen that yet.
[00:14:27]  And I haven't really like seen enough evidence.
[00:14:29]  I mean, little things here or there where there's like firsthand accounts about they kicked us out of this room or they did this.
[00:14:35]  I don't, it's difficult for me to gauge.
[00:14:39]  I don't have a sense of how much of stuff like that happens in every election, what was actually unique about this.
[00:14:47]  I just haven't been convinced on that front.
[00:14:49]  But the idea that they rigged it from them is almost undeniable.
[00:14:53]  And nobody really on that panel had any type of argument against that.
[00:14:57]  So really, let's just focus on what we do know, which is that they rigged it.
[00:15:02]  And that's just as bad.
[00:15:05]  Like, why isn't that just as bad?
[00:15:07]  If you suppress a story that's a real story that would clearly move the needle, what's in effect, tangibly, what's the difference between that and stuffing ballots?
[00:15:21]  I don't know.
[00:15:22]  Any thoughts on that, Rob?
[00:15:24]  No, I agree 100%.
[00:15:26]  I thought the framing was rather good by Mr. Greenwald.
[00:15:30]  And it includes that they even took Trump off of Twitter for a fake for a fake hydroxychloroquine article.
[00:15:37]  So I think it's fair to say they certainly rigged the election when it comes to stealing the election.
[00:15:45]  I'm left in an annoying area where it's like, I can't prove that it was an honest election.
[00:15:49]  And I question that it was an honest election.
[00:15:51]  There were certainly some oddities in terms of the number of the people that voted, the way that the actual evening went down where they usually call elections, then they had to pause it.
[00:15:59]  And then you had a bunch of votes that came in through mail, the increase in mail and voting.
[00:16:04]  And then, of course, when they were certifying all the elections, there was endless hours of footage of people being like, I went out for lunch and I got locked out.
[00:16:11]  And then lastly, the whole Dominion lawsuit with Fox, that Fox just walked away from that and made a gigantic payment that would seem to me, I don't understand why Dominion's damages could possibly be that large or why Fox wouldn't at least want to go fight that case.
[00:16:26]  So there certainly were oddities, but at the end of the day, Trump couldn't prove any of them.
[00:16:30]  He was the president.
[00:16:31]  He had all the power and resources in the world to try and prevent the election from being stolen from him.
[00:16:36]  He was yelling about it being stolen.
[00:16:38]  From what I understand from lawyers, they put together these lawsuits that made no sense.
[00:16:43]  You had that lady screaming about the kraken who apparently had no evidence.
[00:16:47]  You've got Giuliani at the moment, although this might be bad going down for that defamation case.
[00:16:53]  Seemingly a similar thing to Alex Jones, where he wasn't able to actually present the case.
[00:16:56]  But anyways, just to put a button on it, I think it's fair to say rigged 100% in terms of stolen.
[00:17:02]  Donald Trump did not do a good job of proving that storyline.
[00:17:06]  So for anyone walking around going, it was 100% stolen, like based off of what you don't know.
[00:17:11]  Yeah.
[00:17:11]  No, I think that's right.
[00:17:14]  And look, again, this might be some bitter pill for Trump supporters to swallow, but you're exactly right that Donald Trump sat there when they changed it to all the mail-in voting.
[00:17:30]  And he sat there and he bitched and he moaned about how it was going to be corrupt.
[00:17:34]  And he bitched and he bitched and he bitched.
[00:17:36]  And then he lost.
[00:17:38]  And he bitched more.
[00:17:39]  And then he got on a plane and left.
[00:17:42]  So like there is a weird thing.
[00:17:44]  And Glenn Greenwald made this point where like, you know, it is a kind of weird thing to claim the election was stolen, but then also give a peaceful transfer of power.
[00:17:54]  You know what I mean?
[00:17:55]  Like there's just something kind of strange about that anyway.
[00:17:57]  I know they're claiming he tried to lead a coup or something, which is obvious nonsense.
[00:18:02]  But there's also probably just a not as sexy, but simpler explanation that was at least a contributing factor was that Donald Trump's audience, his voting base, and this is just by the nature of being a Republican, skews older and also skews probably a little bit more afraid of COVID.
[00:18:24]  You know, we're talking in late 2020 here.
[00:18:28]  And he was just for weeks telling everybody that the vote in the mail-in voting was going to be fraudulent.
[00:18:37]  And like, what type of strategy was that?
[00:18:39]  He was telling all of his people to not do the mail-in voting.
[00:18:43]  And so he may have unintentionally suppressed his own turnout in that situation.
[00:18:50]  That aside, and I have no love for Donald Trump.
[00:18:54]  In fact, I will say I'll never forgive Donald Trump for several things, particularly how bad he was on COVID and that he kept Fauci as the face of the pandemic response through all of 2020.
[00:19:05]  I mean, that is Donald Trump's fault.
[00:19:07]  And that is no small thing.
[00:19:10]  Giving us Anthony Fauci in 2020 is no, like, that is an unforgivable offense, in my opinion.
[00:19:18]  But let's just be real here about what happened.
[00:19:20]  So let's like say, like, okay, we can, and since none of these guys even have an argument against that, let's just be honest here and take it as a given that the election was rigged.
[00:19:29]  Okay.
[00:19:30]  No, let's say not stolen.
[00:19:31]  Let's grant them that.
[00:19:32]  We'll, we'll grant them because you know what?
[00:19:34]  The, we're not going to be, you know, we can't require people to prove a negative here.
[00:19:39]  So let's just assume the election was fair and not stolen.
[00:19:43]  Now, I'm not saying that's exactly the right attitude to have, but for the sake of argument here, let's assume the election was not stolen, but it was rigged.
[00:19:50]  If you're going to really talk about January 6th, you kind of have to put it into context.
[00:19:56]  So this is at the end of 2020.
[00:19:59]  It's six days into 2021, right?
[00:20:03]  This is right at the end of the year that was 2020.
[00:20:06]  And what happened this year?
[00:20:08]  It's a pretty big year, 2020.
[00:20:11]  Now, first of all, they fucking locked the country down on the basis of pseudoscience.
[00:20:18]  This is, there's really no argument against this anymore.
[00:20:22]  Nobody can really justify the lockdowns with any type of rational argument.
[00:20:26]  So they lock the country down off complete bullshit pseudoscience and tell us that it's because this virus is so bad and that this will, our hospital systems are going to be overrun and all this stuff turned out to be wrong on all of it.
[00:20:42]  You can go look at, by the way, go read Tom Wood's new great book.
[00:20:45]  You can go look at all.
[00:20:46]  And Tom, remember he had that thing, Rob, do you remember with the charts that Tom, I forget what it was called, like the COVID quiz?
[00:20:53]  There's basically like, you just look at all these charts of how the germ was spreading and how hospitalization rates and death rates.
[00:20:59]  And then you try to guess which area had more mass compliance or which area locked down and didn't lock down and which, and the punchline at the end of it is that no one can pass the test.
[00:21:10]  No, it's just that the virus did what it was going to do and none of these measures ended up helping at all.
[00:21:15]  Then all of a sudden, in the middle of lockdowns, this unprecedented thing in American and world history.
[00:21:25]  So like three months into it, these massive protests and riots break out.
[00:21:30]  And then the whole establishment says, no, it's okay.
[00:21:32]  They're allowed to do that.
[00:21:33]  You can't leave your house unless you're going to loot a store, in which case you're fighting racism, which is worse than the germ.
[00:21:40]  Then somewhere around that summer, it starts to become very obvious that the virus didn't come from where they told us it came from.
[00:21:48]  And it's not like that it didn't come from there and they just happened to get it wrong.
[00:21:53]  They were lying because it was Fauci's name on the goddamn exemption to Obama's ban on gain of function research.
[00:22:01]  And a subsidiary of the NIH was funding the Wuhan lab.
[00:22:05]  Okay.
[00:22:06]  So it comes from a lab that was funded by our government.
[00:22:09]  And the face of the pandemic response is the guy who signed off on doing it.
[00:22:14]  Okay.
[00:22:15]  So this all comes out.
[00:22:16]  Now take into account the mass censorship over the year 2020, where every anybody, what I just said now is kind of we're allowed to say it.
[00:22:25]  At least I think we never really know for sure, but kind of, I think I'm allowed to say that, you know, Jon Stewart made a joke about it.
[00:22:31]  Everyone's okay now.
[00:22:32]  You couldn't say this in 2020.
[00:22:35]  I couldn't come on the show and talk about this because that's it.
[00:22:38]  You'd be off everything if you did, right?
[00:22:42]  So you have this whole sense.
[00:22:43]  I mean, you remember, Rob, we had like that, we had a private Facebook group that we used to very much enjoy.
[00:22:50]  And it was during this period where they just started flagging everything.
[00:22:54]  If you talk anything about COVID, a whole bunch of that stuff turned out to be spot on right.
[00:22:58]  And anything about COVID, you were just getting shut down.
[00:23:01]  And ultimately, Facebook shut down the group.
[00:23:03]  Then you have the Hunter Biden story, right?
[00:23:05]  They shut down this story and ban all these people and ban the link.
[00:23:08]  You couldn't even direct message it to people on Twitter about a totally legitimate, true story that was a huge scandal for the Biden campaign, okay?
[00:23:19]  Like he is directly connected to, you know, I mean, okay, you could say maybe a degree of separation from his son, but at the very least, clearly his son is making money in incredibly corrupt names, ways of trading his father's name to governments that are, I mean, one, you could kind of describe as a hostile foreign power in China, and Ukraine, a country that Biden is directly involved with.
[00:23:48]  And I'm saying even before Biden as president, I'm talking about Madan and the civil war and stuff there.
[00:23:54]  Okay.
[00:23:54]  So now on top of all that, in that same year, as they're, we've conceded they're rigging it.
[00:24:03]  So they're ruining your life with lockdowns, lying about it.
[00:24:07]  They're also, by the way, we should mention in this year, the largest transfer of wealth from working people to the politically connected billionaire class, right?
[00:24:16]  Now, again, Trump has a lot of responsibility for that.
[00:24:18]  He signed his name on those spending bills, but it's this it's and then on top of all of that, they go, oh, and by the way, we're going to overhaul the way we do voting.
[00:24:32]  Like, just put all those pieces together and know that, yeah, of course, if any side lost their election after all of that, of course there would just be, this is like a volcano that's going to bubble up.
[00:24:47]  And I guess it bubbled up to some degree in January 6th.
[00:24:51]  Now, to the point of calling January 6th an insurrection, I mean, it's just so ridiculous.
[00:24:56]  Like, go look at the history of any coup or insurrection.
[00:25:00]  In fact, you know, even when they invoke this 14th Amendment, they're talking about the civil war.
[00:25:06]  I mean, the things that they even have to compare this to just on its face make it so ridiculous.
[00:25:12]  You're comparing a war where 600,000 people died to January 6th?
[00:25:19]  Okay.
[00:25:21]  There's no, people didn't show up with guns.
[00:25:24]  People didn't show up there to be violent.
[00:25:25]  There's no, and when I say people didn't show up to, many of the people didn't show up there to be violent.
[00:25:30]  The violence was some shoving with cops.
[00:25:33]  There were some windows broken.
[00:25:34]  There were some gates that were knocked down.
[00:25:37]  There were also a lot of gates that were open for them.
[00:25:39]  There were also a lot of cops who opened gates for them.
[00:25:42]  There were also a lot of cops who were guiding them around the inside of the building, as we now know.
[00:25:48]  They didn't show us any of that stuff.
[00:25:50]  They didn't show us any of this in the January 6th hearings in Congress.
[00:25:54]  We found out later that it had all just been cherry-picked and selectively edited to make the event look like it was something other than what it was.
[00:26:02]  And then you had the entire political class and the entire media class telling us that this was, these are in their words, this was worse than Pearl Harbor.
[00:26:21]  This was worse than 9-11.
[00:26:23]  This was the worst day, one of the darkest days in our country's history.

=== January 6th Conspiracy Claims (04:47) ===

[00:26:26]  And why?
[00:26:27]  To use that as a pretense to crack down on dissident right-wingers in America.
[00:26:35]  Now, if you taking all of that in its totality, right?
[00:26:39]  And I'm not saying like Destiny or those two brothers or whatever, they can come up with some argument for why it is an insurrection and because they were trying to stop, you know, the certification of the election.
[00:26:51]  But taking in all of that, look at what you're doing here.
[00:26:58]  You're just becoming a mouthpiece for powerful people who have very nefarious plans.
[00:27:03]  It's just ridiculous.
[00:27:04]  This was not an insurrection.
[00:27:06]  It was not an attempted coup.
[00:27:07]  There's no conceivable path forward where January 6th works to overthrow the government of the United States of America.
[00:27:15]  Even saying it out loud, saying it out loud is just the most fucking ridiculous thing ever.
[00:27:19]  The guy moving that lectern around was, yeah, he was going to overthrow the, he was about to take control of the U.S. military, Rob.
[00:27:28]  Like, what?
[00:27:29]  What is this?
[00:27:30]  So anyway, the whole thing is just so goddamn ridiculous.
[00:27:32]  I don't know.
[00:27:33]  Any, any.
[00:27:34]  It's like an obscure capture the flag type thing that if a podium guy slapped down that podium in the right place and started giving a speech, all of a sudden they control the government.
[00:27:44]  I don't remember ever reading that in the Constitution.
[00:27:47]  Bunch of people walk into the Capitol building and now they get to, that's it.
[00:27:50]  It's their country now.
[00:27:51]  It's capture the flag.
[00:27:52]  They took it.
[00:27:53]  Everyone's got to go, oh yeah, it's theirs now.
[00:27:55]  Yeah.
[00:27:56]  And I mean, look, there's the power imbalance here to ever thinking that they could, I mean, you're, it's not even if you, Rob, if you fist fought a three-year-old, there is less of a power imbalance than there is between the January 6th rioters and the United States of America's federal government.
[00:28:20]  Like just to imagine any one, like imagine a imagine the NYPD tried to take the federal government.
[00:28:31]  Like they really went in and tried to take them out.
[00:28:34]  And they're, you know, the what would they have to get through in order to get, well, the first line of defense would be like, I don't know, like the Capitol police.
[00:28:43]  And then they'd call in like the DC police.
[00:28:46]  And then they'd call in the National Guard.
[00:28:49]  And if they needed to, at the end of that, they call in the goddamn fucking army and the Air Force.
[00:28:54]  The NYPD has zero shot of being able to take out Washington, D.C. in a violent confrontation.
[00:29:03]  Okay.
[00:29:04]  And that's the entire New York City police department.
[00:29:08]  No shot.
[00:29:08]  But I don't know exactly what layer of that they'd get to.
[00:29:11]  Like maybe they'd get past the cap.
[00:29:13]  Yeah, they'd get past the Capitol Police.
[00:29:15]  Capitol Police and the DC police.
[00:29:17]  You got a difficult.
[00:29:18]  Once the National Guard gets called in, you're done.
[00:29:21]  You're done, dude.
[00:29:22]  Let alone if you want to have, then you want to have the fucking army and the Air Force.
[00:29:28]  You're just so, there's just no chance.
[00:29:32]  That's you fighting a three-year-old.
[00:29:33]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:34]  There's no chance.
[00:29:35]  There's no pathway here to victory.
[00:29:37]  And that's the NYPD.
[00:29:40]  The entire NYPD, that January 6th guys were nothing compared to them.
[00:29:43]  I mean, look at the videos.
[00:29:44]  It seems like the majority of them were just there fucking peacefully.
[00:29:48]  The majority of the people in January 6th just who went into the building, their only crime was entering a building you weren't supposed to enter.
[00:29:56]  It was a small minority of them that broke some windows and tussled with some cops.
[00:30:00]  So anyway, the whole framing of this, it's almost, it's one of these debates where you're like, to even debate this topic is probably like conceding too much.
[00:30:12]  Does that make sense?
[00:30:13]  Like, it's like, like, are we even pondering this question?
[00:30:16]  Makes no sense at all.
[00:30:18]  I agree.
[00:30:18]  Once the FBI door opening unit used their valet service to get those doors open, most people were just walking around.
[00:30:25]  Right, really.
[00:30:25]  Sure, one guy took an opportunity to fart on Nancy Pelosi's desk, but honestly, if he didn't tell us we did that, do you think they would have walked in there later and smelt the fart?
[00:30:34]  No, these are the type of questions that'll keep you up at night, Rob.
[00:30:38]  Yeah.
[00:30:38]  And look, of course, this is also leaving aside the question of infiltration and things like that.
[00:30:46]  And one of the points that Glenn Greenwald made in the debate, which was an excellent point, was he was like, look, we know that all of these organizations, the ones that are the most demonized organizations, like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and stuff like that, who were involved.
[00:31:02]  There were several members of both who got arrested and charged from that day.
[00:31:07]  We know these groups were completely infiltrated by the FBI.
[00:31:11]  There's informants up and down these groups.

=== Infiltration and Shady Tactics (02:02) ===

[00:31:13]  So if there really was some plan here, why wasn't this plan thwarted?
[00:31:19]  Well, if there's a plan, a coup and what?
[00:31:22]  You guys just didn't do anything?
[00:31:23]  Oh, interesting.
[00:31:25]  Oh, so if it was planned, you guys allowed it to happen.
[00:31:29]  You know, like, I mean, it's kind of like no matter what really happened there, and we don't have the exact details of everything.
[00:31:36]  But either way, it's really, it looks really bad for the FBI.
[00:31:40]  There's not really any conceivable path where they didn't do something pretty shady and fucked up.
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=== Confronting Conspiracy Theorists (15:29) ===

[00:33:15]  Okay, any other thoughts on the January 6th stuff, Rob, or you want to move on to Epstein?
[00:33:20]  Ooh, let's get into Epstein.
[00:33:21]  All right, let's start.
[00:33:23]  Lizard, I got this.
[00:33:24]  Here, let's start with the clip from the view.
[00:33:27]  We shouldn't be repeating names that are on the list because just because your name has not on the list, but in the documents, just because your name is on the documents doesn't mean that you have done anything criminally irresponsible or illegal or civilly irresponsible.
[00:33:44]  Or that you were a client.
[00:33:45]  Or that you were a client.
[00:33:47]  Only really, these documents, as I read them, only reflect Epstein's sexual assaults of women and his sexual behavior.
[00:33:57]  So I think that.
[00:34:01]  And so being named in this suit does not equate to being accused of wrongdoing.
[00:34:05]  And I think that is extremely important because conspiracy theorists seem to not understand or enjoy facts.
[00:34:13]  Yeah, these are the facts.
[00:34:14]  Yes.
[00:34:15]  What's important for us to know is just so, it's just fantastic.
[00:34:19]  Now, by the way, there's that, you can go find, there's clips on CNN and MSNBC of them saying the exact same thing.
[00:34:26]  It's just, oh my God, it's like, just it's so fucking rich.
[00:34:31]  That's what's important here.
[00:34:33]  That's what's important.
[00:34:35]  You know, and those are the facts.
[00:34:37]  And, you know, the, you know, it's these damn conspiracy theorists.
[00:34:41]  How could, dude, the story is Jeffrey Epstein and they're still actually able, like physically able to look into a camera and go, well, you know, these conspiracy theorists out there, Rob, they have these wild imaginations.
[00:34:55]  You know, I mean, again, this is a great.
[00:34:59]  What's the story to them?
[00:35:00]  So Jeffrey Epstein single-handedly sexually assaulted multiple women and would just party with celebrities on the side.
[00:35:10]  Like what exactly is not even interesting about the story to them?
[00:35:13]  So don't even look into this.
[00:35:14]  We already killed Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:35:16]  So you don't have to worry about that guy.
[00:35:17]  Him and the other person we put in jail, they solely sexually assaulted women and then hung out with a lot of very powerful people while they were doing so, who I guess just looked the other way as Jeffrey Epstein was enjoying moving young girls around.
[00:35:32]  But that's entirely on Epstein.
[00:35:34]  You shouldn't even talk about these other people.
[00:35:36]  Dude, it's a look, it's, you know, when Michael Malice says, which I love, where he says the corporate press is factual, but not truthful.
[00:35:47]  Which is not, you know, sometimes they're not factual as well.
[00:35:51]  But even when they are factual, sometimes it's so, it's like, look, think about it like this, okay?
[00:35:58]  Like zoom out 10,000 feet up and actually look at this thing, right?
[00:36:02]  Because what she said is not factually incorrect.
[00:36:06]  Like it is true that just because your name was on one of in one of these documents, that doesn't necessarily mean that you were like, that you did anything.
[00:36:15]  And it doesn't, if you could have been on a flight log, it'd be very easy.
[00:36:18]  Let's say you were like a, I don't know, someone famous or someone rich or some big, you know, powerful person.
[00:36:25]  And there was this Jeffrey Epstein guy.
[00:36:27]  And, you know, I don't know, you were in Florida going back to New York and he was like, hey, I'll give you a ride on my private plane.
[00:36:33]  And you went, sure.
[00:36:33]  It doesn't mean you fucked a kid.
[00:36:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:36:37]  So, so it's not that that's wrong.
[00:36:39]  It's just, how is that your takeaway?
[00:36:43]  How are you going to say that's what's important here?
[00:36:45]  So again, zoom out 10,000 feet, 10,000 foot view of what we know.
[00:36:50]  Here are the facts that she says conspiracy theorists don't like facts or whatever.
[00:36:54]  Okay.
[00:36:55]  Well, here are the facts.
[00:36:57]  There was a child rapist ring, an organization based on raping children that involved the most powerful members of our society.
[00:37:11]  And the guy who ran it was known to be partying with all of these powerful people, politicians and people in the media and people in Hollywood.
[00:37:21]  And they're all in, they're all at least from some degrees connected to it.
[00:37:26]  And it seems pretty clear that it was a blackmail operation where he was luring people into fucking children and then and then blackmailing them with the information that they had.
[00:37:38]  And the government knew about this and allowed it to continue.
[00:37:45]  But your takeaway of what's important about this here is that we don't damage the reputations of any of the people who were close to it.
[00:37:56]  That's the danger, but not an absolute demand that we, I mean, just think about this story and just imagine a world where we didn't have a media that was made up of the most corrupt people who are strictly in the business of defending power.
[00:38:15]  Like imagine we had a media with a shred of honesty.
[00:38:21]  Every single day, they would be demanding to know everybody who was involved in this.
[00:38:28]  We would never look at any of those people the same way until we find out.
[00:38:31]  I'm sorry.
[00:38:32]  This is like, what?
[00:38:35]  A child rapist ring?
[00:38:37]  Who the hell was involved with this?
[00:38:39]  Because there's all these powerful people there.
[00:38:41]  When did you know what?
[00:38:42]  Like the onus would totally be on them.
[00:38:45]  You know what I mean?
[00:38:45]  Like when did when did you know what?
[00:38:49]  Did you go to any of his parties?
[00:38:51]  What did you see at these parties?
[00:38:52]  You kept going back to him after that?
[00:38:54]  Why?
[00:38:55]  What was going on?
[00:38:56]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:38:57]  Like these people, it's just, it's insane that your takeaway would just be, well, we don't really have to worry about, you know, like getting to the bottom of this, but let's just make sure we don't cast aspersions on anybody who is in these lists.
[00:39:10]  You know, Bill Clinton?
[00:39:12]  It's like, yeah, okay, he was the president of the United States.
[00:39:14]  He's been credibly accused of rape by like six women.
[00:39:16]  You know that guy?
[00:39:17]  Yeah, he happened to party with a guy who was running a child rapist ring and we got pictures of him getting massages from one of the victims.
[00:39:23]  And yeah, he flew with him on his private flight, in his private plane to Thailand.
[00:39:28]  He went with Jeffrey Epstein to Thailand.
[00:39:31]  What do you do with Jeffrey Epstein in Thailand?
[00:39:34]  Am I a conspiracy theorist for like maybe having some questions about that?
[00:39:39]  That is just so bonkers, dude.
[00:39:42]  It's so bonkers.
[00:39:42]  How do you even have this conversation?
[00:39:45]  And this is what these people, these dummies on the view and these dummies on CNN and MSNBC do.
[00:39:51]  Their job is to stand there and say, okay, the most important thing about this story here is that we don't go convicting Bill Clinton in our mind.
[00:40:01]  Okay.
[00:40:02]  Let's not jump to conclusions.
[00:40:04]  And you're like, okay, so let's not jump to conclusions.
[00:40:06]  And then what?
[00:40:07]  Give him a grilling interview about it?
[00:40:08]  No, no, no.
[00:40:10]  Just don't jump to conclusions.
[00:40:12]  And then we'll talk about how racist Trump is or something like that.
[00:40:18]  Whatever type of simulation we're living in here, Rob, God damn, it's an entertaining one.
[00:40:23]  It's incredible the amount of clues that haven't been overturned.
[00:40:27]  The low-hanging fruit just being all of the staff.
[00:40:30]  I mean, I guess you hear every once in a while from a stewardess or a guy who was flying the planes, but there was a lot of staff at both locations.
[00:40:38]  So not hearing from all of them, but the really low-hanging fruits in terms of clues is what happened to the safe?
[00:40:44]  They took a safe from his house.
[00:40:45]  Seemingly I've seen pictures of videotapes and DVDs.
[00:40:48]  And fine, let's say the FBI legitimately lost that safe.
[00:40:51]  That's what the FBI, I believe, is claiming is that it retrieved the safe and lost the safe.
[00:40:56]  Fine.
[00:40:56]  Well, who lost the safe?
[00:40:58]  Who was the team that took it?
[00:40:59]  Where do they put it?
[00:41:00]  Who was the guy that was supposed to watch it?
[00:41:02]  What kind of safeguards fell through that we just lost this critical piece of evidence?
[00:41:06]  And then remember when they put that deal together and someone said that they were told that he was intelligence?
[00:41:12]  Who's that guy?
[00:41:13]  How come that guy's not in front of Congress?
[00:41:15]  Who are the people that were supposed to prosecute him the first time?
[00:41:17]  Why did he get the favorable plea deal?
[00:41:20]  How much other paperwork even exists of like prosecutors or investigators who at one point in time were looking into it?
[00:41:26]  And then who did they get phone calls from to drop it?
[00:41:29]  It's just like, there are so many clues.
[00:41:32]  And if you guys can just look back, they sold us on a pandemic that didn't happen.
[00:41:35]  They're selling us on global warming, which isn't a real risk to us.
[00:41:38]  They sold us on a Ukraine war and that poodle, like they know how to drum up interest in things when they're not true.
[00:41:44]  Repeat it enough times, scream and yell, get people panicked.
[00:41:47]  And then you get something like, yeah.
[00:41:50]  And there's one more really important point.
[00:41:52]  No, you're totally right, but there's one more really important point there.
[00:41:55]  And this is one of the things that I think people need to like to understand is also that this story, like you're saying, if they wanted to drum up interest in this, this story would generate enormous interest.
[00:42:12]  I mean, you could, if someone really wanted to do this story on any cable news show, let's say, you know, Rob, they would have the number one ratings.
[00:42:22]  Like there's no question about that.
[00:42:23]  If someone was really, if you were just, all you would have to do, you could be the number one pundit in cable news right now.
[00:42:30]  If you just said, dude, I'm doing every episode on Epstein.
[00:42:34]  Every episode of my show, I'm going to be bringing people on, grilling them about this.
[00:42:39]  We're going to be pouring over what we know about this.
[00:42:41]  We're going to be demanding that all of the people who are on the flight logs and all the people who are in these documents are held to account and that we're asking all of these questions of them.
[00:42:50]  That would guaranteed be the number one show in cable news.
[00:42:53]  I think you'd break 10 million views if you just did a show on that.
[00:42:57]  But they don't.
[00:42:58]  And why is that?
[00:43:00]  Because their primary driver, their primary motivation is not ratings.
[00:43:06]  And that's a really important thing for people to recognize, that it's not just a business that's trying to make money because people get this wrong all the time, where people say, oh, the problem with the corporate press is that it's all, you know, basically it's private, you know, and it's capitalist and they just want money.
[00:43:22]  So they'll just do whatever gets clicks.
[00:43:24]  But that's not right.
[00:43:26]  They avoid things that would get so many views, would get so many clicks because they're primarily in the business of defending the powerful.
[00:43:36]  That's why they're the enemy of the people because they're working against your interests on behalf of powerful people.
[00:43:43]  And this is just the most obvious example of it.
[00:43:46]  Most obvious.
[00:43:47]  Here's the takeaway from the child rapist ring where the fucking, where like, I didn't even know that detail that they said they lost the safe, where they said they lost the safe.
[00:43:56]  Oh, yeah.
[00:43:56]  And then all the cameras just happened to go out and stop working when he killed himself in prison.
[00:44:01]  And it's in the securest area ever.
[00:44:04]  There were just like seven whoopsies in a row after he was on Suicide Watch and had already tried to kill himself, supposedly.
[00:44:12]  Then he just killed himself and all the cameras went out.
[00:44:14]  Oh, and those guys who are responsible for that, we're also not going to be grilling them.
[00:44:18]  They're not going to be testifying before Congress and then still have the nerve to go, it's these damn conspiracy theorists out here.
[00:44:26]  Look, dude, if you had just, if none of this stuff with Epstein had come out and anyone had just slayed out what we know, the stuff we know now to be the case, and just said that, they'd have been labeled the craziest conspiracy theorists in the world.
[00:44:40]  What are you talking about?
[00:44:41]  They got an island where they rape kids.
[00:44:44]  What are you talking about, right?
[00:44:46]  Okay, but we found out all that's true.
[00:44:48]  So I'm sorry, you don't get to use this conspiracy theorists.
[00:44:52]  They just don't care about facts anymore.
[00:44:54]  This woman doesn't care.
[00:44:55]  This lady doesn't care about any facts.
[00:44:57]  She cares about making sure that you don't jump to conclusions about powerful people who were connected to Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:45:07]  That's really the most important takeaway.
[00:45:09]  Now, who does that sound like she's on the side of?
[00:45:12]  The American people or the powerful people?
[00:45:18]  I just, I love this story because it's just like, there it is.
[00:45:21]  I'm sorry.
[00:45:22]  This is an open shut case, black and white.
[00:45:24]  They're your enemy.
[00:45:26]  These people, and they fucking, you know, they talk, they talk to a lot of voters.
[00:45:33]  So anyway, all right.
[00:45:34]  Any other, any other thoughts on any of this stuff, Rob?
[00:45:36]  Did you, did you read into the new documents at all?
[00:45:40]  I didn't read any of the documents.
[00:45:41]  I've just been reading the New York Post stories as they come out and they reveal names.
[00:45:46]  And, you know, there's enough other people pouring through these things.
[00:45:49]  The part I guess I'm just most confused by is, so this seems to be one accuser and it was a court kid, the court case that she won.
[00:45:56]  And so these are the documents coming out from that court case.
[00:45:59]  And there's some big bombshells in there.
[00:46:00]  There's the there was the fact that he would interview women after they had been with like these people so that they would have like the black specifically they use the word blackmail.
[00:46:13]  I guess there were the pictures of children or not children.
[00:46:16]  I mean, I guess teeny, but young teenagers underage on the island.
[00:46:21]  You had someone was reporting that massage was the code word for sex.
[00:46:26]  But I guess we're, I'm kind of like, it still lacks a little bit of clarity of who specifically this individual was.
[00:46:34]  And I guess why there isn't more of an effort to hear from all the other victims and kind of unwinding what is like just so many, like, how come there isn't a committee or commission to just kind of look into this?
[00:46:46]  Like, it just seems like there's so many clues out there that I'm not an investigator, but like I can just rattle off what the starting point would be.
[00:46:54]  And think about, think about what they did with the January 6th hearings.
[00:46:58]  Right.
[00:46:58]  You know, like a group of Americans are so furious at their government that they broke some windows in a government building.
[00:47:04]  And that warrants not only like the, that warrants the most massive law enforcement, you know, hunt for all of these people.
[00:47:17]  They will be brought to justice.
[00:47:18]  I mean, except the one barrel-chested guy who was screaming storm the Capitol, but don't let that fuck with you.
[00:47:23]  But all the rest of them must be brought to justice.
[00:47:25]  People are getting outrageously long sentences.
[00:47:29]  You know, people are getting 15, 20 year sentences for breaking windows and pushing over barricades.
[00:47:34]  People are getting years long sentences for just entering the building and just walking around, being held in solitary confinement.
[00:47:41]  There's a full congressional hearing that remember they tried to make prime time TV.
[00:47:45]  And this is going to blow the whole thing open.
[00:47:48]  And that's because some Americans were pissed off enough with their government that they want they, you know, some of them broke some windows and some of them entered the Capitol building.
[00:47:56]  Now, it doesn't mean, that doesn't mean you have to be a right-winger.
[00:47:59]  It doesn't mean you have to be a Trump supporter.
[00:48:01]  You know, you could disagree with the reasons why they were furious with the government or something like that.
[00:48:06]  But think about it.
[00:48:07]  It's a group of Americans who are pissed off with their government.
[00:48:10]  That warrants all of that.
[00:48:12]  But this, this ring of, you know, like, I don't know.
[00:48:19]  I mean, yes, you make the distinction there, like when I say children, they're, they're teenagers, but like, yeah, I don't know.
[00:48:24]  That's rape, man.
[00:48:26]  These are adults, fucking teenagers.
[00:48:28]  They are raping these girls.
[00:48:31]  They are raping children.
[00:48:34]  That doesn't rise to the level of demanding all of this or even a fraction of it.
[00:48:40]  I mean, it's listen, man, it's the people versus the regime.

=== People Versus The Regime (02:03) ===

[00:48:45]  And the regime is, you know, what Curtis Jarvin calls the cathedral, however you want to conceive of it.
[00:48:53]  And it's kind of like the political class, the media class, the crony class, the people who are in bed, the politically connected in bed with them.
[00:49:04]  And, you know, their mouthpieces in academia and places like that.
[00:49:08]  I mean, it's those people versus all of us.
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=== Corruption And Blackmail (09:39) ===

[00:50:48]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:50:50]  Also, I mean, there's been a long running storyline of, I guess, the pedophiles down in Washington, which in my head conjures up images of them, you know, taking three and four and five-year-olds and like, you know, just demonic shit.
[00:51:04]  It's no longer technically inaccurate to say that there are pedophiles amongst the elite.
[00:51:09]  Like that, we've proven that to be technically accurate.
[00:51:12]  So now the question is, what real Pizzagate?
[00:51:14]  Is there something there?
[00:51:16]  Is there something much bigger going?
[00:51:19]  I got to guess, plug run your mouth.
[00:51:20]  This Friday, I got David Collin coming on who quoted an interesting figure in his year-end review of that there's a million children that go missing a year, which I'm curious to hear more of it.
[00:51:30]  But it just all I'm trying to say is five years ago when you said that there were pedophiles in Washington, that was, you know, the deepest of conspiracies.
[00:51:38]  Now we at least know that it's technically accurate and there's no.
[00:51:43]  What was it?
[00:51:44]  Michael Malice's thing that Pizzagate aged better than Russagate.
[00:51:50]  It's so perfectly said.
[00:51:52]  There was more truth to that one.
[00:51:54]  I'm not saying it was exactly true, but there was more truth to it than there ever was to Russia Gate.
[00:51:58]  And there's no serious interest to unwind these stories and figure out is how much worse it is because believe me, there's public interest in finding out if there's creepy shit happening to kids.
[00:52:07]  Dude, this is something that I used to talk about years ago, like before you were on the podcast.
[00:52:16]  And if you go, if you listen to my first Joe Rogan appearance, I get into some of this a little bit.
[00:52:23]  But a lot of like my evolution was like, okay, so like when I first became a libertarian, it's kind of like you learn, you learn like the libertarian lesson, right?
[00:52:34]  So like, and which is basically like read anatomy of the state.
[00:52:38]  And you, that's basically the libertarian lesson, anatomy of the state by Murray Rothbard.
[00:52:43]  And you kind of recognize that you're like, oh, like governments are like by their nature, the reality of what they are is not at all how we've all been trained to think about them.
[00:52:57]  That really they're the gang who won out.
[00:53:01]  They're the gang that got so powerful that they just conquered everything.
[00:53:05]  And everything in this geographical area is run by them.
[00:53:09]  And they do all of the things that gangs do.
[00:53:12]  They do all of the things that we would consider crimes that if anyone else did it, it would be a crime.
[00:53:17]  Stealing your money is now taxation.
[00:53:19]  Murdering a bunch of people is now a military action.
[00:53:23]  You know, counterfeiting the money is now monetary policy.
[00:53:27]  Like all the things that people would go to jail for, they do with impunity.
[00:53:33]  That's kind of the nature of government.
[00:53:35]  So that's almost like step one is like the libertarian lesson, like understanding what we're really talking about when we're talking about the government.
[00:53:42]  And then I remember like kind of like almost like the my next step after that, what would be really interesting to me is like, wait, but like, so who are these people?
[00:53:52]  Who are the people who actually run this?
[00:53:55]  Because like in the same way that if you were like, uh, if you were watching like a documentary on the mafia or something like that, at first you're kind of like, oh, okay, well, what is this?
[00:54:04]  Well, it's a criminal organization that's here to like steal money.
[00:54:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:54:09]  And kill people if they get in the way.
[00:54:11]  And that like, that's kind of the nature of the thing.
[00:54:13]  We're getting money in illegitimate ways and we will use violence to do that, you know?
[00:54:20]  And but then what's the next step that's interesting when if you're watching a documentary about the mafia, you're like, oh, well, who was the guy?
[00:54:26]  Oh, this was Lucky Luciano.
[00:54:28]  And here's what he did.
[00:54:29]  He killed all these people like this.
[00:54:30]  And here's this guy.
[00:54:31]  And Al Capone was this tough motherfucking big dude who just ran the fucking, you know, you know, whatever was fucking, what's the word I'm looking for?
[00:54:40]  What's the dern prohibition, you know, given the fucking getting illegal alcohol or whatever the fuck.
[00:54:46]  But so it's kind of this next level of interest, like, who are these people?
[00:54:50]  And when you recognize that these people at the top level, they are making decisions quite comfortably where like this decision will kill 100,000 babies, but it'll get my buddy rich.
[00:55:03]  And they do that.
[00:55:05]  And it just makes you wonder like who they are.
[00:55:07]  And in the same sense that like, I mean, there's lots of different forces, I think, at work there where I think people with sociopathic tendencies are drawn into jobs of when the job description is ruling over your fellow man.
[00:55:23]  I think like most decent people don't want to be politicians.
[00:55:26]  A lot of really corrupt, fucked up people do want to be politicians.
[00:55:29]  So there's that kind of magnet.
[00:55:31]  Then I think there's also something that kind of goes along with the Jeffrey Epstein thing about like, you know, there's, if there are people who are do evil shit, they can or are corrupt, then they can be blackmailed.
[00:55:43]  You know what I mean?
[00:55:44]  And there's a lot of powerful people who want someone in there who's compromised.
[00:55:47]  So that kind of pushes people in.
[00:55:48]  But anyway, to the thing I was talking about on my first Rogan appearance, and I remember I used to find this really interesting was because at the time, this was my first appearance, I believe, was in 2016, maybe 2015.
[00:56:01]  And so like right around that time, Hillary Clinton was like, you know, a very relevant political figure and she no longer is, but she was the overwhelming favorite to be the next president.
[00:56:14]  And she had been the secretary of state up until just a few years earlier.
[00:56:18]  I think 2012, I think is when she left the State Department.
[00:56:22]  And I remember talking about with Rogan.
[00:56:25]  And in fact, on one of my podcasts with Ari, I think the one that Rogan listened to that he found me on was when I was playing the tape of Hillary Clinton laughing about getting that child rapist off.
[00:56:38]  You remember that one, Rob?
[00:56:40]  So if nobody's heard this before, it's this tape that Hillary Clinton's on the phone with some guy, and she's just talking about this guy who brutally raped a 12-year-old.
[00:56:52]  And she's laughing about it.
[00:56:54]  And she's laughing about how she was able to trick the judge, that this was a miscarriage of justice.
[00:56:59]  And she's cracking up laughing about how they got this guy off.
[00:57:03]  And, you know, it's impossible to listen to that and not just go like, oh, you're a monster.
[00:57:12]  Like, you're not what I am.
[00:57:14]  We're not the same thing.
[00:57:16]  You're not like, this isn't like, this isn't an edgy joke that you're laughing at.
[00:57:21]  And this isn't just like, well, look, I am a defense attorney and I believe that we have to have defense attorneys.
[00:57:26]  And even though it's awful that sometimes you'll get guilty people off, it's better than letting it.
[00:57:30]  No, this is laughing.
[00:57:31]  This is hilarious.
[00:57:32]  It's so funny that I actually tricked them.
[00:57:35]  And she's like describing the bloody underwear while she's laughing, like really sick, twisted shit.
[00:57:40]  And then I would watch the clip of her when after Mu Mar Gaddafi was like, you know, sodomized to death with a gun by like a violent mob.
[00:57:52]  And she's like, we came, we saw he's dead.
[00:57:56]  And it's like, yo, this is like, who are these people, man?
[00:57:59]  Who are these people?
[00:58:00]  They're not like me and you.
[00:58:02]  There's something really sick going on here.
[00:58:05]  And I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying connect dots that shouldn't be connected.
[00:58:10]  I always, with these things, try to be like, try to be careful, try to focus on what we know and what we can prove.
[00:58:16]  But you think about the actions that these people take and you think about even just those couple examples with Hillary Clinton.
[00:58:21]  You think about the fact that Bill Clinton's been accused of rape by how many different women?
[00:58:26]  Think about Bohemian Grove.
[00:58:30]  Just like what we know of that.
[00:58:33]  It's not looking good.
[00:58:34]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:58:36]  And then you look at the Jeffrey Epstein stuff and all of this.
[00:58:38]  And it's like, it does just make you wonder, like, Jesus Christ, how deep does this well go?
[00:58:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:58:47]  How many rings are there like Jeffrey Epstein's?
[00:58:51]  Was there only one and we found the one?
[00:58:54]  Is it more likely that there's many others?
[00:58:58]  Either questions worth pondering.
[00:59:01]  You know, like how, how many just straight up, like monster sociopaths are there at the highest level of our government?
[00:59:12]  Because the answer isn't zero.
[00:59:14]  And it's seeming more and more like it's most.
[00:59:19]  All right.
[00:59:20]  I guess we'll wrap on that.
[00:59:23]  Anything else you want to add, Rob, or do you want to call it a pod?
[00:59:26]  I think this is why it's good to be an introvert, you know, people that don't want to go to parties.
[00:59:30]  They don't get pulled into this whole racket.
[00:59:32]  The problem is you want to be out there.
[00:59:33]  You want to be hanging out with people, shaking hands with the elites.
[00:59:36]  The next thing you know, you're taking a plane down to an island thinking it was a good time.
[00:59:40]  You look at the Jeffrey Epstein connected people and you go there, but for the grace of God, go I, right?
[00:59:47]  Man, exactly.
[00:59:48]  If I just, God had just made the decision to have me love partying with strangers.
[00:59:53]  It could have been you, man.
[00:59:54]  Yeah.
[00:59:55]  All right.
[00:59:55]  Listen, that's, that's that.
[00:59:57]  Guys, come see us at the Brea Improv.
[00:59:59]  Am I saying that right, Rob?
[01:00:00]  Is it Brea, California?
[01:00:03]  I don't know.
[01:00:04]  Sounds like a shitty cheese.
[01:00:05]  That's all I can say.
[01:00:06]  Well, it's not going to be a shitty comedy show.
[01:00:08]  I'll tell you that much.
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[01:00:13]  Yeah, looking forward to getting back out on the road in 2024.
[01:00:17]  So come check us out.
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[01:00:26]  All right.
[01:00:26]  Catch you guys next time.
[01:00:27]  Peace.