Clint Russell and James Smith dissect geopolitical tensions, criticizing the American right's neocon drift regarding Israel-Hamas and Vivek Ramaswamy's pro-Israel rhetoric as a betrayal of libertarian principles. They warn that escalating nuclear threats involving Putin and NATO risk hyperinflation amid $34 trillion in U.S. debt while benefiting the military-industrial complex. Rejecting pessimism, Russell compares defending liberty to fighting a home invasion, urging listeners to resist "white-pilling" or "black-pilling" and speak truth despite backlash from religious or political groups. [Automatically generated summary]
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Resentment in the Libertarian Movement00:07:09
We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
You're listening to the problem on the gas digital network.
Here's your host, James Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am back in the United States of America.
I don't remember.
Maybe I did one episode since I've been back here.
I don't know.
I can't even tell anymore.
It's five in the morning in my body.
I got a bunch of stuff coming up.
By the way, next weekend, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be out in San Diego at the American Comedy Club.
Come check us out there November 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
A live part of the problem podcast, a bunch of stand-up comedy shows.
And then we got a bunch of stuff coming up.
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Today, I got with me my brother from another mother, Clint Russell, host of Liberty Lockdown Podcast, also host of your, what's the podcast with Lou?
What's the name of that?
It's probably going to be called Uncanceled, but as of now, it's just over on his We Are Change, all one word YouTube Rumble.
But it's doing six-figure viewership.
You guys are killing it.
Killing it.
Well, Clint, for anybody who doesn't know, and I assume most people listening to the show know who Clint is, Clint has been the, I would say, the fastest growing star in the Liberty movement over the last three years.
He started podcasting during the lockdowns because he was just so goddamn furious about that.
And he's great on everything from economics to foreign policy and all that stuff.
So thank you for coming back on the show once again.
It's always good to talk to you, brother.
Hell yeah, dude.
Especially with World War III encroaching, this is the time to do it.
We got to catch up with the homies before nuclear hellfire reigns.
Yeah, I just had a debate with Austin Peterson.
I don't know if you call it that.
It was more of a shit flinging festival, but man, we're in a lot of trouble if Austin Peterson is the leader of a movement.
Well, serious trouble.
Well, luckily for us, Austin Peterson is not at all the leader of our movement.
So that's the one thing we can...
I have a debate with Austin coming up in a couple days.
And you debated him earlier today on a space.
This was your second debate with him, right?
Didn't you guys do something else?
I did his radio show, but it was like 15, 20 minutes.
So it was not a debate.
It was like basically an open, he says something, and then we move on.
With this one, I thought we were going to be able to go deep, but it became just ad hominem instantaneously.
So it was just, it was terrible.
Like, honestly, though, if people want to hear my actual beliefs, the Q ⁇ A afterwards was very respectful.
And thank you to Josie, the redheaded libertarian, for hosting it.
You know, it is what it is, but it's the most important topic of the day.
And, you know, we have to, we have to have something to say about it.
And I think that I'm on the right track with it personally.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I completely agree with you.
So I listened to, I popped in.
I don't know if you saw me there because it's on the Twitter spaces where you can see me.
I did pop in for a few minutes, but I was running around with the family and stuff.
So I wasn't able to listen to all of it.
But I did pop in for a few minutes like a couple times.
And yeah, it was getting spicy.
I saw that much.
If anybody wants to listen to it, it'll be out on Liberty Lockdown.
I'm actually going to break it down on my own show and try and like actually point out the logical fallacies as he's going along because it's a really, it'll be a fun one to dissect.
Well, it was from even just the few minutes that I saw of it, there was a lot of me going like, ah, dude.
Like, Jesus Christ.
There's a weird, there's a weird dynamic, though.
I'll say particularly in the liberty world where there are, I know I get this a lot.
And I, I, and I'd imagine you get it too, because the, the, one of the few segments I saw, and the thing was like hours long and I only saw like a few minutes of it.
So I'm not, you know, like I, I, I, I'm no, not in a position to judge the totality of the interaction, but I did see the part where he was calling you a newbie, where he goes, that's because you're a newbie libertarian and not like an old school libertarian like me.
And there is a little bit of a thing that it made me chuckle when he was saying that, where I know that there is a certain resentment from people who are kind of like around the libertarian movement way before me and you.
And maybe not even, maybe not even before me and you were libertarians, but before we had any type of like audience or influence in this space.
And they do kind of get annoyed that they've looked, I mean, again, this is me psychoanalyzing other people.
So take this with a grain of salt, although they seem very comfortable in psychoanalyzing us.
But it does seem like there's a little bit of resentment that it's like, oh, you know, there's, I, I was here way before you.
And it's like, yeah, I know.
And I've lapped you several times over since then.
And sorry, but see, I, I didn't even take it that way because I'm so like oblivious to jealousy and shit like that.
Like I just don't, I don't view this world that way.
It's like, like, I am in this for a mission.
Yeah.
Like I'm trying to save the world here, folks.
I know that's, that still sounds totally ludicrous to feel that way, but that's honestly how I approach everything I do is like, we are, we are in the most dire of times I could have ever imagined.
And I just, I just don't, I can't even like really wrap my head around having an ego about this stuff as much as I just want to, I just want to like deliver the most important messages to the most people and pray that it's enough.
You know, that's, that's what I care about.
Dude, I, I, the thing, I tweeted something today about how awesome Scott Horton was on Tim Pool last night.
And there were a few people who responded being like, oh, I thought you guys were having like a weird thing.
And like, yeah, we are.
Right.
But whatever.
Like, you're so awesome on Tim Pool last night.
Like, I don't know.
What do you want me to say?
Like, I still, no matter what's going on, it's still like, yeah, but what he was saying was so right because I actually believe in this.
Like, so I think it's important for people to go see that.
I think I think we'd all do better to have a little bit less ego and, you know, a little bit more focus on what the actual mission is.
Yeah.
And shared mission.
Yeah.
I think that's the real problem is like what it, what it demonstrates to me is like, there's a lot of people in this that don't have the mission that you and I do.
And I know Scott does.
And I know there's many people, but just to, just to like make this even more succinct, like if Austin Peterson were to be invited on Timcast IRL, which never going to happen, most likely, but if he were and he were to get on there and just absolutely smash it, I would be praising him.
You know, like that's, that's what I care about.
I care about the best messenger getting on the biggest platforms and doing it.
This is the whole reason I've been such a huge fan and supporter of yours is because you've always done that.
Extrapolating Lessons to Israel00:12:36
And I don't know.
It's it's sad.
It's sad when people, you know, get caught up in like petty, petty nonsense.
There's just so much important stuff happening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I couldn't agree more.
So, I mean, look, I got some, I, I tweeted today and asked what people wanted us to talk about.
So we'll go through the list of that, but obviously we have to kind of, me and you haven't really talked since for the last week and a half.
All this craziness has been going on.
So what's been, you know, as somebody who you've really kind of blown up over the last few years as a, you know, a hardcore libertarian as you are and somebody who was railing against the lockdowns and the COVID insanity and then has really been very good on a number of topics, but you've been very solid on foreign policy and a staunch non-interventionist.
What's it been like for you going through this crazy time that we've been in in the last couple of weeks?
It's really different than even the stuff in Ukraine.
Because what's really happened, as Glenn Greenwald said on my show a couple of days ago, that there's, it seems like at least a large portion of the American right, broadly speaking,
who's been pretty good on foreign policy for at least the last, say, five, six years, they have been teleported back to 2002 and they are right back into their into their George W. Bush neocon days.
And so what's it been like for you watching this whole thing go down?
To put it bluntly, it's been infuriating.
It's like you see all it's like it's like 10 steps forward and then 100 steps backwards.
That's kind of how it feels.
And it just happened like a light switch.
And I get it.
I understand kind of the knee-jerk reaction to 1,400 largely innocent people being killed in such a terrible fashion.
I understand the knee-jerk reaction, but I just don't know how people can't a day later, two days later, a week later, step back and say, what did we, you know, what was wrought upon the world by the United States in the aftermath of 9-11?
Did it improve my life, the world, the economy?
Did it improve anything in any way?
And it's like, the answer is no.
The answer is so clearly no.
So how about we kind of extrapolate that same lesson, apply it to the Israelis?
And if we're going to stand by our ally, how about we advise them, hey, we made all these mistakes.
We face the same thing you did more or less.
Let's not, let's not have a repeat of this.
Yeah.
And the situation and there are some differences, right?
Like in the situation in Israel compared to the situation post 9-11, although I think there's a lot of parallels, so I get the comparison.
But it's pretty wild to see the global protests.
I mean, the mass movements against Israel all throughout the world.
And to look, coming from the most pro-Israeli perspective, even to not go, hey, this seems risky.
Like maybe we should really think this through.
And instead, it's just kind of like, nope, full force, march ahead.
We're going to bomb the crap out of everything we say is very, it's been something.
You got Netanyahu up there, you know, quoting Old Testament or Talmud stuff.
And it's just like, like, this is going in a very dark place, folks.
And if you're actually looking, I don't know if you saw the footage of the protests in, I'm going to still call it Turkey because I don't know when it became Turkey or whatever, but massive protests in Turkey.
Yeah.
You know, obviously all in favor of the Palestinians.
You've seen the same in Lebanon.
I would imagine it's happening in Iran and many other nations too.
So I just think that they are playing with fire on a scale that you would have to be totally blind not to see.
And I think that's been what I've tried to really emphasize is that like, even though the majority of my messaging over the past three weeks has come across as if I am defending the Palestinian side, more than anything, what I'm trying to convey is that this is a very complex topic that many of us don't have the back drop to.
And before you give your allegiance, your blind allegiance, much less to either side in this fight, it's very important that you understand what actually has transpired and why it transpired.
Just as it's very important to understand why 9-11 happened and why they did it.
It's not justification, as Ron Paul has always made very clear.
It's that you have to understand the dynamics if you're going to actually prescribe any sort of remedy.
And it seems as if people are just forgetting about.
the entire analysis phase and just going 1400 innocents, kill everybody.
If you care about the existence of Israel, you better really, really reflect on who their neighbors are and what this could amount to if it gets as ugly as it looks like it might.
Yeah, you know, I often bring up Ron Paul because, of course, he is my intellectual, I don't know, guru.
But I've been thinking a lot about Pat Buchanan lately, who I certainly, I don't agree with Pat Buchanan on a wide range of issues, but man, I always like, I've read almost all of his books, just about all of them.
And I cannot recommend Pat Buchanan's books highly enough.
He's first off, he's just an incredibly talented writer.
And he is, you know, his books hit home so hard.
Like, I don't know how much Pat Buchanan you've read, but like when Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War is like one of the best World War II books you'll ever read.
Suicide of a Superpower was incredible.
I could rattle off a few more, but his books are really, really great.
But anyway, so there's this one clip of Pat Buchanan that has been going viral.
Huh?
I know exactly the one.
I mean, the guy is basically a psychic.
Yes.
So he was talking about this.
And I think it was right around, it must have been 2004 through 2006, somewhere in that period.
And he's talking about Israel attacking Gaza specifically.
And he's talking about how Gaza is basically an open air prison.
And he goes, what do you, you know, there was like an incident where some X number of civilians in Gaza had died.
And, you know, this never even makes the, you know, it makes the news, but it never makes the news in like the emotional way that anything else does.
And he goes, what do you think the brothers and uncles and nephews of these girls who just died?
What do you think they're going to grow up to be in 15 years?
And it was almost like 15 years to the day later when this attack happens.
And again, as you said, this isn't to justify anything, but if you're going to talk about why this terrorist attack happened and you're not even going to look at the fact that all of the people, I mean, I don't know.
And I don't know if anyone has the exact information, but how old were the men?
It was all men, right?
Who led this Hamas attack against Israel.
And how old were they?
My guess would be 27 at the oldest, like probably 18 to 27, somewhere in that range.
And what have they grown up in?
Their entire lives been dominated by Israel.
So do you think maybe that's something to look at?
Like maybe that has something to do with why they're so easily recruited and ready to go, clearly sacrificed their lives.
I mean, it's not like, you know, you could say Hamas doesn't give a shit about Palestinians dying, and that's absolutely true.
You could say they don't give a shit about Israelis dying, and clearly that's true.
But also, you realize all those guys knew they were going to die.
Right.
Like as a result of this, they were certainly going to die.
And it's worth, you know, and another Pat Buchanan thing, which one of my favorite things he ever said was when George W. Bush was saying that they hate us because of our freedom after 9-11, his comment on it was so great where he goes, George W. Bush acts like Osama bin Laden stumbled upon our Bill of Rights in the desert somewhere and just like looked at it and went, wait,
speedy trial?
What is this?
Like, this is, this is outrageous.
You know, like as if that's what we're, and it's just, look, you can, even if you call someone or some group evil, don't you at least have enough intellectual curiosity to go, I want to understand why they're evil.
Like any movie about someone evil, you would want to know the answer.
Why are they evil?
What is their origin story?
Right.
Like, you know, and so it's just that's, you know, that's been a big thing I've been thinking about lately.
Well, that's what we do with super villains is like we always, they always have a backstory, Two-Face and all these other characters.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, there's a still, like, they're the bad guy.
Like, we all agree they're the bad guy, but they have a backstory.
They have an explanation for why they went that direction.
And it's the same thing.
I mean, there has been studies by human rights organizations in Gaza, and they have described that the vast majority of, you know, 20 and under, they are giving up on the will to live.
I mean, like, they are, they are psychologically being tortured.
And this is, this is overtly stated by, you know, former IDF officers or whatever.
They would, they would actually say that from the time of the second Intifada in 2000 up through 2005 when Hamas was elected, their policy was to terrorize the Palestinians, to go into their homes in the middle of the night, switch sides of the road and just horrify these people, just keep them on edge.
And he even said, you know, our framework or like the intention is to make them feel as if they're being chased.
Like imagine if you're just a young dude or kid or whatever that has to be raised in that environment, you're going to be, you're going, like, if you were trying to create a camp that just produced terrorists, this is what you would do.
Right.
And it's just totally unreasonable to detach that reality from what transpired a few weeks ago.
You have to understand both of these things.
It's not to say that it's okay, but it's like, it's also not okay to have embargoed these people for the past 15 years.
They've had no elections.
They have no say.
All of those soldiers that you just described from 18 up to 30 years old, the election, the last election was 17 years ago.
They would have to be 18 to have voted in that.
That means that none of them have ever voted in their life.
They have had no say over whether or not Hamas is in power.
Yes, they may be in alignment with them ideologically at this point, but it doesn't change the fact that they never, they never created these circumstances.
They didn't put Hamas into power.
So it's, it's, yeah.
And even, and even if they had, I mean, you know, I, and by the way, I, this is, I'll admit my ignorance on this, like to some degree.
And I know, like, I know somewhat about the history.
I mean, I certainly know that that Netanyahu and the Israeli government were like supporting Hamas, doing all they could to prop them up.
But what did, what exactly did Hamas run on?
You know, like, what, what exactly was their, their message?
Because I certainly don't think, like, just for example, like, I don't think people who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 are morally on the hook for him, you know, waging a war in Libya because that's not what he ran on, you know?
And like, I don't know exactly what Hamas ran on.
I'm sure they ran on some fucked up shit.
But at the same time, you're like, I don't know.
Like, I don't think they ran on like, you know, we're going to elect us now.
And then in the year 2023, we're going to kill a whole bunch of innocent civilians.
You know what I mean?
Like it's just you get the you get one shot at the ballot box and then 18 years from now we're gonna kill a bunch of innocent people and then you're all gonna die.
Vote for us.
Obviously, that's not what they ran on.
The Ridiculous Nature of Equivalency00:15:02
Right.
So it's all the whole thing is just ridiculous.
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Okay, so let's go.
I asked people for questions that they wanted to hear me and you talk about tonight.
I will say, oh, all right, look, one of the first ones, we kind of already addressed this, but you can talk about this a little bit more if you want to.
But one of the questions was, what the hell is up with Austin Peterson's straight up racism arguing racial superiority in his debate with Clint?
He was practically calling for the final solution for the Palestinians.
He didn't go quite that far, but I can understand why the sentiment came across as such.
I said something I don't think I've ever said to another human being is that you're being very racist right now.
But I couldn't help it.
Like he was just describing, he's like, there's no, he was basically saying that there's no, what's what they always say the same phrase.
It's basically like moral conflation or whatever, where like there's equivalency.
Equivalency, thank you.
Where like there's no equivalency between, you know, the death of the innocents on both sides.
And I'm like, yeah, but there kind of is, though, right?
Because like in the end result, there's innocent kids that are, you know, blown up.
So I think that there is some equivalency there.
But anyways, he was really emphasizing the like the cultural and civilizational superiority of the Israelis.
And that is ultimately why he finds himself in alignment with them.
And, you know, that's, that's his take.
I personally feel that I've met a ton of Muslim people that are awesome.
And I don't, I don't want to, you know, side with either side in a war based off of which culture I find more appealing.
I still think that it ultimately comes down to like who aggressed.
And in this case, it's quite clear that both sides have aggressed in really egregious fashions.
But then I laid out the entire history of why I think that the aggression began from the Israeli side.
We don't have to get into all that, but it's a much more interesting and nuanced and detailed discussion than really I was able to convey to Austin because he was out of his mind.
Yeah.
So, okay, like I said, I saw like a few minutes at different intervals of the debate.
And I was, and I'm about to debate Austin.
So I guess I'm trying to like, maybe I shouldn't give too much away, but I don't really give a shit because it's, you know, like it doesn't matter.
He can even, yeah, he can either deal with these arguments or not.
It was so absurd to me that Austin just started arguing about how one side has, no, they have more patents than the other side or something like that, because it's such a ridiculous point.
It has nothing to do with the actual conflict.
And this isn't even just a libertarian thing, but certainly libertarians, I think, should get this.
But like libertarians should get this more than anyone else.
But if me, if we were at a bar and there's a like, like when we're talking about a conflict, we're talking about like a violent interaction or something like that.
If you were at a bar and person A swung on person B and person B swung back, we all kind of go, not just libertarians, but particularly libertarians, but everyone goes, well, look, person A aggressed against person B and person B was defending themselves.
And that's the question when it comes down to a conflict is like, who's the aggressor here?
And if you were to sit there and go, well, let me tell you something.
Person A is an inventor and he's invented several widgets.
Like if someone were to say that to the cop, you know, like in any sort of just world, the cop would be like, wait, what?
That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Like great.
That's really nice that he invents widgets.
But like, I'm asking who the aggressor in this conflict is and who like, and even if you're going to say both of them are aggressors or whatever, just who's like contributed more to the world has nothing to do with anything.
That's just such a ridiculous like aside.
And a judge would dismiss that as irrelevant instantaneously.
But it did, it did, you know, highlight his perspective, his worldview that like he views this culture to be superior.
So ultimately he's going to give them much more grace in how they behave.
Whereas I, I actually think it's even, if you, if you do hold that worldview that they are the superior culture, then shouldn't they be held to a higher standard when it comes to their retribution?
Like, doesn't it go both ways?
Like, oh, they're the civilized people.
Well, then shouldn't they be a little bit more targeted with their counter strikes?
Because they aren't being that.
And also, let me just add briefly that how are you going to judge the innovative economic capacity of the people in Gaza when you've had an embargo against them for 15 years?
You have decided how much water, fuel, gas, internet, everything that's allowed, materials for construction that's allowed to be transferred into their little prison cell.
And on top of that, they go about half the day without electricity.
Almost all of that.
15 years is, let's just say being generous because like, yeah, they pulled their troops out 15 years ago, but they never really stopped.
Israel never really stopped controlling what could go in and out of Gaza.
And they've really been controlling it since 1967.
So it's been quite a bit more than, you know what I mean?
And so yeah.
I'm just saying it got really bad after Hamas was elected.
There are, there is a funny thing where, like you said, like to find yourself in the position where you're calling someone a racist, like in a debate and or a bigot or whatever the like correct term is.
And it is.
Well, I was talking about the Arabs.
So that's why I said racist.
Right, right, right.
So, but, you know, there is something where, yes, I understand that in most debates these days, when someone calls you a racist or a bigot, it's like, ah, we all know we all kind of roll our eyes at that.
And me and you have both been called this plenty of times in the last few years.
And no matter what you say, no matter what you say, if you're like, hey, I, I oppose the minimum wage increase or whatever, they're like, oh, you're a racist or that, you know, and it's kind of ridiculous.
But at a certain point, there is it.
If you were debating someone and they were just like, well, I don't know, I don't want a black person in my house because I just think they're horrible.
And you'd be like, oh, that's, well, that's pretty racist.
Or if you were like, are you sure?
Is that really how you feel?
You're like, oh, oh, you know, I don't care what happens to black people because this is a, you know, a war of civilizations and their civilization is less than ours.
You'd be like, oh, wow.
I mean, like, there is a point where the accusation does make sense.
And so I think, you know, I don't throw it around lightly, but I was like, that's the only thing I could think of in that moment.
I was like, this is just an exceedingly racist perspective to hold about these people.
Well, evidently one of our Twitter commenters also thought that.
Okay, we got another one here.
You know, I'm not going to read names because I don't know if they want their name read on the show or not.
But someone asked about Vivek's pro-Israel stance or his pro-Israel tweet today.
So I don't know.
Did you see this?
I sure did.
And I am pulling it up for you right now.
You know, he's a mutual of mine.
So hopefully I don't lose the follow-up for this.
I've had him on the podcast a couple times, but old buddy Vivek.
We got to respond to this.
So I'll read it off.
It's a bit of a rant, but he says, now is the moment for Israel to return to its founding premise.
The Jewish state has an absolute right to exist, a divine gift, gifted to a divine nation, charged with the divine purpose.
Israel has an absolute and unequivocal right and responsibility to defend itself to the fullest, applying the only language its adversaries understand, the language of force.
And what would David Ben-Gurion say?
Don't depend on anyone else's fleeting sympathies or permission to do it.
If Israel wants to destroy Hamas, Israel should go ahead and destroy Hamas.
If Israel wants to destroy Hezbollah, Israel should go ahead and destroy Hezbollah.
If Israel and Mossad want to pull off Munich 2.0 and take out every last leader of Hamas, wherever they may be hiding from Doha to Dresden and host a red wedding at the four seasons in Qatar, the next time Haniye and Michelle show up, they should go ahead and do it.
Whoa.
All right.
So, Vivek, why would you do me like that?
Let's all ask the question that's on our mind.
What type of dirt did Vivek's campaign have on Hillary Clinton?
That they would suicide themselves this way.
What did they know, Clint?
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
Can we check out the Epstein flight log?
What is going on here?
It's just bizarre because he was so good on so many topics.
But this is kind of what RFK did too.
He just totally torpedoed his campaign with the same stuff, this same kind of kneeling to the Israeli lobby.
And it sucks because I'm, at least you're Jewish, so you get to talk about this without being accused of being an anti-Semite.
Whereas turns out that's not true.
But I get what you're saying.
Maybe I'm a little bit protected.
Turns out I could be just as much of a Nazi as anyone else.
Oh, well, I'm sorry to hear that.
I thought hopefully I could talk to you about this and get some of the shield.
Like, what?
Yeah.
Look, man, I'll tell you this.
There's a, and I was talking about this the other day when I was on a, I was on with Dan, Dan Smott's podcast with Dave Casey.
And great guys, by the way.
I really enjoyed doing their podcast.
But I was saying, like, they were asking me at one point, like, if I just felt like some obligation to support Michael Rechtenwald for president, or is it some obligation to support whoever the Mises caucus candidate for the Libertarian Party was for president?
And I get the question.
It was, it was a reasonable question, but I said, which is the truth, is that I go, well, look, no, my first obligation, short of my, my obligation to my wife and my kids, but my, my primary obligation after that is to my audience.
And my audience is much bigger than just the Libertarian Party, certainly much bigger than just the Mises caucus of the Libertarian Party.
And so I would tell people to support whoever I thought the right person to support was.
And also, I would say that I'm, you know, which I think you're kind of in a similar situation.
I'm much more comfortable as an analyst than I am as a general.
Like, I'm much more comfortable telling you, look, this is what's going on right now.
This is what's actually happening than going, here's what we got to do.
You go here, you go here, you support, because that's that just, it's a little pompous to like put yourself in that situation.
But occasionally I will go, hey, here's what I think we should do.
And I will tell you, there were times throughout the last several months, say six to nine months, where I was like kind of debating, you know, maybe we should all just go support RFK.
Maybe we should all just go support Vivek.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe the best move for the libertarians isn't to be in this libertarian party over here away.
And maybe the best thing is to go put all of our support behind whoever the best other option is, you know?
And man, this, and, and I will say this, even way before this war or this escalation in this war, when RFK had kind of on Israel, kiss the ring is a good way to put it.
I'd been like, all right, fine.
Look, I don't like it.
But, you know, no one's going to be perfect on everything.
And he's fighting enough of the battle against the COVID regime and the war in Ukraine and all of these other things that maybe he can't also battle the Israeli lobby.
You know, like he's, he's got to like kind of pick his, okay, fine.
I kind of gave him a pass on that.
But for his immediate response after the attack, the Hamas attack, to say not only that we stand with Israel, but that we will, American taxpayer dollars, have to support them in an offensive war, you know, and then for Vivek to be up here and say not only that we stand with Israel and we feel bad for what happened to them or anything like that,
but that they have this divine right to rule and they should be able to do whatever they want to do, even if this means taking out a group in, you know, Lebanon who has nothing, at least there's been no evidence demonstrated yet that has anything to do with the attack on them.
Nuclear Conflict and Party Loyalty00:03:07
It's, it does, it really did a lot to reaffirm my view that like, yeah, I'm, I'm a member of the Libertarian Party.
I am not supporting any of you guys.
I, I'm behind Michael Rechtenwald for president.
Like, I don't just, you know, and I know you know what I mean by this.
That's like, Jesus Christ, why?
It's something so bizarre that when it comes to Israel, you have to completely flip on all of your principles and start talking about how they have a divine right to rule and do whatever they want to.
So insane.
Yeah.
Well, and just to emphasize that you're telling the truth, you know, after I had Vivek on and you had him on and you had RFK on, we were talking in private about this.
We were saying, you know, like.
God, these guys are pretty good.
Like, is it worth fighting this fight to make sure that we put up a third party candidate when you might have a guy that's like, has a real shot at winning that will give us 80% of what we want.
And I think that the truth is, is that, you know, neither of these guys have a real shot at this point because the system is pushing back against them.
And even with that, they still can't maintain their principles.
And I think that's what's most disheartening about witnessing this is that RFK was so good on the FBI, the CIA, the COVID regime.
And then it's just like, oh, yeah, but you're absolutely a sellout for X, Y, and Z.
And Vivek, even though he's not calling for U.S. intervention, which I guess I appreciate, but that diatribe is about as over the top as I could imagine.
So that paired with his wanting to go to war with the Mexican drug cartels, just being totally honest, it kind of takes him out of the even possible list.
It's like, sorry, I like you, but there's just no way I can give my support to you.
And yeah, this is why the Libertarian Party exists and why we try to take it over, you know?
Yeah.
And it's things change in presidential elections, especially in the world we live in today, where, you know, it seems like constantly there's a new thing.
And now this thing kind of takes precedence over everything else.
And this is, you know, before the war in Ukraine, it was how you felt about Russia maybe wasn't necessarily the biggest thing.
But as soon as that war broke out, it was like, wait, this is the biggest thing now for how a president gets, you know, it was very easy in, let's say, 2021, 2022, even to go, hey, DeSantis, who was the best governor outside of Christy Nome, the best governor on COVID, you go, hey, he's got a real thing to run on.
But then once the war in Ukraine starts and he won't, he's not willing to take a strong position on it.
Gut Health vs. Alcohol Hangovers00:02:04
You're like, hey, well, you're done.
That's it.
You're done now.
You know, because that's what we actually care about.
We actually care about the war stuff first and foremost.
And I think that's, that's the tie that's going to be.
Well, it's like, look, I mean, I care about like all the stuff with the lockdowns and the vaccine mandates too, but you go like, well, look, right now we're on the precipice of a nuclear conflict.
So if you're not good on that, then that's a really big problem.
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Navigating White Pilled and Black Pilled Views00:13:44
You know, since I know some of the other questions that were put to you when you asked on Twitter earlier today, you know, the economic consequences are very significant at this point.
And this is not just about like, well, it's immoral to go kill innocent people.
You know, like it's not just like, oh, we're going to go destroy Iraq.
And then years later, maybe we'll have blowback or something.
But like for the most part, domestically, we'll be fine.
Like this is, this is way different on two levels.
One, it's obviously with the largest nuclear power on earth in Russia.
But two, you know, we are very long in the tooth economically.
We're approaching like a billion dollars an hour in debt.
Like that's that's so crazy to me.
And we had over, God, I think it was almost a trillion dollars in like 60 days in terms of adding to our national debt.
So we went from 33 to 34 trillion.
Like there is there is a point at which this is just so obviously mathematically unsustainable.
And the only the only counter that they have is to hike the Fed funds rate, which they've already done very aggressively, which will ultimately put a tremendous amount of pressure on the balance sheets of the banking institutions.
If that happens, then you have a total repeat of 0809.
If they go the opposite direction, they don't hike rates.
Well, then we're looking at hyperinflation.
So it's like, we're going to pay a major price depending on what a president says in this moment and whether or not this becomes a wider regional conflict or a hot nuclear war.
Either way, we're going to pay a real price.
So it's not just about like, I don't want to kill innocent people.
It's like, no, I don't want to have to live through the Great Depression.
And that's what's coming.
Yeah.
No, I think that that's exactly right.
And so, and, and so now this situation in Israel kind of becomes, you know, this is the most important thing now.
It's not just, it's not just, and again, you know, it's, it's weird.
It does feel like there's jockeying within the ruling elite for position.
It seems like there was kind of this hard push toward the conflict with Russia toward demonizing Russia and that the, I'd say the, you know, like there's a lot of different like players and kind of like different interest groups, even within the ruling elite.
And the, let's say, the more kind of like globalist, we want to take control of Europe and Russia is the villain types.
And then there was like almost like the neocons had been denigrated for a while and their push for, you know, it seemed like they had almost given up on their war in Iran.
Like that, that probably couldn't happen at this point because all the Middle Eastern wars are done.
And then it seems like they just got a new, you know, they just did like an undertaker sit up from being flat down on the canvas.
And they're like, we got another shot in this war.
And then they got that arm up at the last thing.
Yeah, they're back in the game now.
And so now it does seem like this is kind of the most important issue for what a presidential candidate is going to run on.
And I think this is, let me just elaborate slightly on this because, you know, we finally saw the anti-war right kind of emerge out of the ether for whatever reason.
Maybe it's just because Trump was more friendly about Putin or they were just genuinely sick of sending their kids over to the wars that were unnecessary.
But I think that the left was all on board because of the Russiagate nonsense and the lies that they had been fed.
And many of them still believe to this day that Donald Trump was foisted upon them by the Russians, which is just totally false.
But they need to have kind of magnanimous support or at least bipartisan support amongst the people in order to justify a war broadly.
And if you have the left on board for Russia, and then you can get the right on board for defending Israel, like there's a lot of evangelicals that are turning to their sons over the past three weeks saying, hey, maybe you should consider enlisting because we have to defend Israel.
And I think that that plays right into their hands.
So while it's good that they're divided and they're not, thank God they're not both in lockstep about the same enemy, but it's not good that there is bloodlust on both sides of the aisle.
Yeah.
And it seems like it's not too many steps to kind of connect the dots.
And that's what's scary about this is like the potential of a world conflict.
And I know that this is, look, this is something we've been worrying about since at least, let's say, 2012, 2013 in Syria when we really started getting involved there.
And you had Iran and Russia and all of these different countries involved where it was like, hey, this kind of has the feeling of something that could slip into a world war.
And we've been talking about this in the war in Ukraine where you had Russia and China allying and a lot of other powerful countries like getting behind them and BRICS and all this stuff.
But right now, I mean, you know, in the conflict in Israel, you do have certainly at least you have Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, right?
These are like the new axis of evil that Netanyahu has declared.
And then you're like, okay, well, where does Jordan go?
Where does Saudi Arabia go?
Where do all of these other countries go?
And when Joe Biden is out there saying, hey, you know, we'll, you know, if anybody attacks any Israelis, we're going to take that as an attack from Iran.
And you have Lindsey Graham and all these people saying we're going to flatten, you know, Gaza.
And then if Iran does anything, and even if they don't do anything, we should still be attacking them preemptively.
It's a pretty dangerous situation.
Yeah, Lindsey Graham was so brazen and bloodthirsty that he said without evidence, he's still okay.
He's still okay with striking Iran right away.
I mean, the guy is just such an absolute lunatic.
But yeah, man, I think that like World War III has been trending, okay, for like weeks.
People see where this is potentially headed.
And this is, you know, once again, tying it back into my finance backdrop, like this has been my greatest fear is that as the empire realizes that it can no longer print and borrow its way into conquest and global dominance, that then they might turn to hard power and, you know, try and just assert dominance in a final grasp of desperation.
And it seems as if that's what they're doing.
And just for the life of me, I don't know how you think you can actually prevail in that attempt with Russia with over 6,000 very advanced nuclear warheads.
Putin is not going to go down without a fight, folks.
Like you don't have to like the guy to just acknowledge he's like, even if you do fear him, then even more reason that you shouldn't be putting his back to the wall and going like, what are you going to do?
It's all of NATO against you.
You know, like this is just crazy behavior.
And I feel like so few people are actually taking it seriously.
It's much more about, you know, I stand with X. You know, I stand with Israel.
I stand with Ukraine, Slava Ukraine.
Like no one's actually thinking about the consequences of what this means.
What does it mean when you stand with Israel?
Well, what it means is you give tacit support for a bunch of carrier strike groups to be sitting in the Mediterranean.
Not to mention it gives it gives tacit support for the leave-behind troops that we have in Iraq, the ones that we have in Syria inexplicably that are being attacked periodically over the past couple of weeks.
If we lose any of those soldiers, it's Casa's belly.
Like they can go.
That's all the military industrial complex needs is one American troop killed.
And then they can do whatever they want after that.
And it's just very, very dangerous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I couldn't agree more.
Said I wasn't going to read names, but Liam McCollum is a great dude.
But he asks, given all of this, should we be white-pilled or not?
Yeah.
I still maintain optimism.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing this.
But, you know, it's, it's just like, it's really just all hands on deck time.
Like anybody that actually understands what we do, you know, not just you and I, but like the entire audience, the people that have been listening to you for years, if you understand the path that we're on, if you understand the dire nature of the trajectory, it's not enough to just be like, well, you know, we'll see what happens.
Like we have to be taking action.
And at a bare minimum, you know, telling the truth when you talk to your friends and family.
Like so many people are afraid.
Like they'll listen to you and then go to their church service and just bite their tongue the entire time because some evangelical pastor is telling them we have to defend Israel.
It's like, speak up, man.
Is this in alignment with your religious worldview?
Honestly, you know, to stand with Israel as they slaughter innocent kids?
Like, is that actually what you were taught from your religious teachings?
I struggle to believe that's the case.
So I just wish that more people would like actually try and get this message out into the world, not just from the podcast world, but to the real world.
Yeah.
No, I completely agree.
And I will say there's something when people ask if we should be white-pilled or black pilled.
And for anyone who doesn't know, what that means is just like, should we be optimistic or pessimistic?
Should we believe and hope for the future or should we accept that it's all kind of, it's all lost anyway?
So we're doomed.
And I will say this.
I know I've said this before, and maybe the last couple of weeks are more of a downer than other weeks have been.
I can't stand the idea of even asking the question whether I should be optimistic about the future or not.
And I think a lot of this is because I have kids.
And when you're in that situation, you just don't have the option to consider being blackpilled.
Know you've probably heard me use this uh, this example before, but I look at it like um, when the question is, should you be white pilled or black pilled?
Should you be optimistic about the future or pessimistic about the future I, what I compare it to is uh, okay.
So let's say I look at my window and there's 12 guys with uh, with guns, charging my house and I okay, in my house, I have, you know okay, if the feds are listening, I have nothing in my house, but let's just say hypothetically, I have one Ar-15 in my house, whatever.
And uh, let's say one for hypothetically speaking, and I should I go well okay, I got my wife and my two little kids in my house, should I be?
And someone went, are you white pilled or black pilled about this situation?
And and I went like um, i'm just feeling really black pilled today.
I'm just really, I just really.
I don't know.
There's 12 of them and there's only one of me.
What am I gonna do?
I'm probably gonna lose.
You know.
You're like what the are you talking about?
No one, I would never have that attitude.
The attitude is like, hey baby, you get up to the attic with the kids right here, you take the handgun.
If anyone opens this door who's not me you shoot them in the fucking face.
I got six cans of gasoline in the in the shed out back.
I'm gonna make some makeshift bombs right now.
I'm gonna throw these around and start blowing them up to try to take as many people out as I can.
I'm gonna be at the top of the stairs sniping people out before they get.
You know, like i'm just saying, whatever it is you, you fight till your last dying breath, because that's the attitude.
So fuck all this shit about even a question of whether you're white pilled or black pilled.
Black pilled is some bitch pussy shit that you don't have the option to be.
We are, we are all white pilled and that's that.
And so what are we gonna do?
The attitude I would have if, if my, my wife and my kids were under direct attack would be, we are surviving this.
So how do we get there right period yep, there's no option.
There's no other option.
Yeah, am I feeling black pilled or white pilled?
No, i'm feeling trigger happy, like right in the, in the hypothetical you laid out.
Look yes hypothetical.
Yes, so everyone knows.
Yeah, just make that very crystal clear for the youtube moderators, I uh look, I the people that are listening to this, like there's just no way that you're hopeless, like you wouldn't be listening to this if you were hopeless.
The whole reason that you're engaged in this environment is that you're you're interested, you're concerned, you're putting time energy, effort into trying to analyze and hopefully remedy what ails us as a civilization.
Injury Insurance for Fantasy Sports00:02:31
So it's just, it's just not feasible, and and also it's just not how i'm built.
You know, like thank god for my parents, because they they have just imbued in me, you know, kind of an irrational confidence that, like I will always prevail if I give my all to anything.
And that's not always the case Obviously, I failed many times, but as long as you have that perspective, I think it's a much more productive way of looking at the life, at your life.
And let's be honest, I, you know, I'm not very religious.
All I have is this life.
So I'm going to fight, dude.
I'm going to fight the bitter end.
Yeah, I completely agree.
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Twitter Polls Misrepresent Public Will00:10:54
All right, let's answer another question we got here.
Okay, why Joshua at large wins every one of these polls and you still back Wreck against the will of the people?
I don't know.
Maybe Clint, maybe at Liberty Lockpod, can give some pushback.
And there's a picture of a poll on Twitter here with a thousand votes that Josh Smith won 48% of.
So for people who don't know, because I'm sure probably the majority of the audience doesn't know, but there is a Libertarian presidential primary going on, or kind of right now.
And I'm backing Michael Rechtenwald.
This gentleman is a supporter of Josh Smith, and he is asking how I can support Wreck against the will of the people.
A Twitter poll is the will of the people.
Because there's a Twitter, yes, because there's a Twitter poll.
So I would say that the, well, the will of the people is probably not exactly understood by a small Twitter poll.
And that the sample size is bullshit.
Yes, this probably means nothing.
But also, I don't know what the will of the people exactly means to libertarians.
Even Josh Smith, I don't think would really be a will of the people democracy type guy.
But the will of the people will be figured out through the process of the Libertarian Party, and we'll see what happens with that.
Anyway, you can make the same argument that you should be supporting Donald Trump because he's, you know, he's how would I not, how would I not support the will of the people?
Yeah.
The will of the people is probably much larger for other politicians who none of us would support.
But yes, I think Michael Rechtenwald is the best guy running in the in the Libertarian Party presidential race, but I think by far right now.
I don't know.
He wants you to give me pushback.
So I don't know.
What do you push back, Clint?
Okay.
I mean, you've already had the critiques of Rechtenwald laid out.
So I don't need to beat that dead horse.
But, you know, the reason I haven't endorsed anyone personally is because I just think that I do want the will of the people to win out.
And I think that ultimately people are going to get behind whoever they find to be most inspirational.
And that's not my job to dictate that.
And if Rechtenwald doesn't inspire you, then don't support him.
And if Josh does, then do.
I think it's quite simple.
And I'm not at all convinced who is the best messenger at this point.
And that's the other reason I haven't endorsed anybody is because I think that in many ways, Josh is a better, you know, just vocally, he's a better messenger.
But in terms of like the merit of the arguments, I think that the advantages to Rechtenwald.
So that's my take.
I don't know if that's pushing back against you, but that's where I'm at with it.
Well, I don't think you pushed back enough.
But I would say that I think, you know, I believe that Rectenwald is a guy who can really explain where we're coming from and what the libertarian position is on all of these things.
And I think that's what matters.
And I think that I understand where people, there are people out there who will be like, well, I don't know if he is exciting enough or I don't know if he's, you know, I think a lot of people are kind of comparing him to me.
And they were like, well, we thought you were going to run.
So, you know, he doesn't quite have what you have.
But personally, Josh might win some Twitter poll, but that doesn't really prove anything.
He's got to win delegates.
I mean, that's the game here.
So Josh really, really, really struggled to win delegates the last time he was running for a position, which was the vice chair of the Libertarian Party.
And that was my endorsement when probably the vast majority of the room there was all just doing it to, you know, support me in the thing we were trying to do.
So even with that, he barely got over the hump.
I don't really think Josh has a chance.
That's my personal view.
I don't think he has a chance to be the nominee.
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong.
You know, one little Twitter poll sure ain't going to prove me wrong.
Oh, no, no, Dave.
It's a series of Twitter polls that he's won all of them.
I will acknowledge that Josh has more popular support on Twitter.
Whether or not that actually transfers over to the broader party, we'll see.
I have no idea.
I really don't know.
So, you know, I'm anxious to see, but people are still bugging me to get in there and I really don't want to do it.
So I'm hopeful that one of them can light that fire, that flame and carry on the Ron Paul revolution.
Like, that's what I wanted to see.
That's the whole reason I was a supporter of yours.
And well, still am, but you know what I mean, in terms of running.
So it's like, that's all I care about, man.
I just want someone to get on the biggest stages and kick the fucking shit out of people's brains.
Yeah, look, I couldn't agree with that sentiment more.
And so I'm telling you that I think Rechtenwald's the best guy to do that.
But again, this is on these guys to go and do it.
So again, if Josh wants to say, as he has said to me a few times before, that he's the best guy to do it, it's like, okay, but go show me.
Exactly.
Go do it.
Go get on these big shows and go kill it on these big shows.
Yep.
That's the hardest thing.
I'm still waiting to see that.
Speaking of big shows, speaking of big shows, I haven't told you this yet, but I will be fifth chair on IRO when you are on Next Go Rounds.
Oh, is that true?
Yeah, man.
I'm super excited.
Very good.
I'm excited for that too.
I got bumped for you.
So I said, look, I'll take the next day, but you have to put me as fifth chair with Dave because that would just be such a great moment for me.
And shout out to Cassandra.
She made it happen.
All right.
Let's go tear it up.
It's going to be fun.
From that show.
That should be fun.
We'll be back on Tim Pool together.
Very nice.
Our first time on that show together.
Okay.
I got one more comment and then we're going to wrap up.
This is the main shooter and finding him dead and your thoughts.
I will say this because I've been in Europe for the last week and the only news I've been following has been about the Israeli-Palestine conflict.
So I've got very broad details about this.
Have you been following this, Clint?
A little, just because I wasn't traveling all over the world like you, but I know there was 18 people that were killed in the bowling alley.
The guy was on the on the lamb for a couple days straight.
They finally tracked him down and the very initial report, and I shit you not, was that he was found with two gunshot wounds to his head via suicide.
Like that's what the story was.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
Well, that sounds suspicious.
Let me make the story even crazier.
This guy, his background was in the military as a reservist, and he trained people in firearms.
That was his job.
So this guy wasn't able to take his life with one shot, but he was able to do it with two.
I find that very, very odd.
And I'll just, I'll leave it at that for the sake of your YouTube channel, but people should be inquiring deeply about what transpired there, in my opinion.
Interesting.
All right.
Yeah.
I don't really know any of the details about it, but that does seem, that does seem totally normal and reasonable.
Let's add to it that the very next day, Joe Biden and all the usual characters said we have to ban AR-15s.
So, you know, just interesting that they queued up the script and ran it perfectly.
And then the same exact outcome that you would expect that he takes his own life with two shots, a la Hillary Clinton's friends and family.
Yeah.
And still, he did better than Vivek's campaign.
So good for him.
He's on Hillary Clinton.
I hope you can have a panel with RFK and Vivek and just like grill these guys on what happened?
What happened here?
Come on.
Honestly, my feeling is that they're going to stop talking to me, but we'll see.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've expressed, let's, let's say I've expressed through back channels my disappointment.
Yes.
And it doesn't seem like any of them really care what I have to say too much.
Well, let's hope I didn't blow it by being critical, but he is scheduled.
The next GOP debate is in two weeks or 10 days or whatever in Miami.
So he is scheduled to do the show that I do with Luke over on We Are Change in studio two hours.
So I will have an opportunity, I hope, if he doesn't withdraw, to ask Vivek about, you know, is this really his perspective on this?
About the divine right of Israel.
Is that really the angle you want to take with this?
All right, we'll see.
All right.
Well, Clint, you're the man.
Where can people find your stuff?
Yeah, unfortunately, I got a lot of stuff.
So at Liberty Lockpod on Twitter, anybody that subscribes over there, I'll follow you back.
Liberty Lockdown is the flagship.
I do that.
YouTube Rumble everywhere.
And then Tower Gang, we just had Owen Benjamin on again last week, and it was totally insane.
You're not familiar with him.
He's a giant.
He's a gentleman.
He's this giant Nephilim man.
You're not familiar.
But it was a very funny episode.
And I think we have you on next week, don't we?
Or am I tripping?
I don't know.
Anyways.
We might.
I don't know.
Yes, I was supposed to be on a couple weeks ago, and I had to cancel.
I think I will be on next week.
Okay.
Well, then Tower Gang.
I think that's right.
Yeah.
Well, whenever it is, Dave will be on Tower Gang here soon.
And then, yeah, We Are Change is the big show that I'm doing now with Luke, and it's going great.
And I think that we're going to have some really, really awesome guests.
We're scheduling with Roseanne Barr, Vivek Ramaswamy.