Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Goal Is World War Three
Aired: 2023-10-28
Duration: 47:46


=== High School Freedom in Amsterdam (09:57) ===

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[00:00:33]  James Dead.
[00:00:34]  All right, what's up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a different episode of Part of the Problem, live from Amsterdam.
[00:00:41]  Hell yeah, dude.
[00:00:41]  Or as they would say it here, Love from Umsterdum.
[00:00:45]  That's real Dutch.
[00:00:48]  I didn't realize you had picked up the language that quickly.
[00:00:50]  It doesn't take me long.
[00:00:52]  That's a pretty impressive feat.
[00:00:53]  I have a beautiful mind.
[00:00:55]  It turns out that just making the ooh sound instead of our vowels is that's the right thing.
[00:01:00]  That's all it takes.
[00:01:01]  I love this chair arrangement because I feel tall.
[00:01:04]  This may not be coming through for you guys on the camera, but we are uncomfortably close to each other, which is how I would describe our friendship in general.
[00:01:12]  Be like, are you and Rob good friends?
[00:01:14]  And I would say uncomfortably close friends.
[00:01:16]  That's what we are.
[00:01:17]  This is your first time in Amsterdam, right?
[00:01:19]  Yeah, man.
[00:01:20]  It's been cool.
[00:01:22]  Listen, I like wandering a city and I like when it's got a nice aesthetic.
[00:01:26]  And I would say this city's got the most party vibe since like New Orleans of just walking around and going, this is cool.
[00:01:32]  Yeah, it's a very strange thing because Amsterdam is like it's an incredibly beautiful city.
[00:01:39]  It's on the water.
[00:01:41]  There's canals everywhere.
[00:01:42]  It's a very old city, kind of old European, you know, feel to it.
[00:01:46]  So it's this beautiful city.
[00:01:48]  And then in the center of it, it's just the most degenerate shit in the world happening.
[00:01:55]  I have not been here for, I believe it was 21 years ago that I came to Amsterdam and last.
[00:02:03]  And it's the first time in my life that I've ever been somewhere that I haven't been for 21 years.
[00:02:10]  Oh, that's interesting.
[00:02:11]  Which is a weird feeling.
[00:02:12]  Right.
[00:02:13]  You kind of remember things.
[00:02:14]  You're like, oh, yeah, I think we went here.
[00:02:15]  But then you also remember how, you know, these things that happen to you when you're 19, you know, and then when you're 40, you come back and you're kind of like, I can't believe I forgot this.
[00:02:25]  At 19, I would have been like, I'll never forget this.
[00:02:28]  Now, to be fair, there were a lot of things that don't help you remember that happened during my last trip.
[00:02:34]  But also, yeah, pretty different place in my life.
[00:02:36]  It's also, I find whenever you return to places you haven't seen since that age, in your head, things, your memory is of physical places being larger than they are.
[00:02:47]  And then also you see how disgusting things are that you just didn't even realize.
[00:02:51]  Dude, I stayed at a hostel the last time I was here.
[00:02:55]  I walked by that place and got the shivers.
[00:02:57]  Like, how could I ever be at a place in my life when I would stay at a hostel?
[00:03:02]  But with a group of 19-year-olds or 18-year-olds, whatever we were, it seemed like a totally reasonable thing to do.
[00:03:08]  Not reasonable.
[00:03:09]  Seemed awesome.
[00:03:10]  Dude, if I, I don't, you'd have to pay me a substantial sum of money to like sleep in a camp bunk or my high school dormitory again.
[00:03:20]  My high school dormitory was basically a prison cell.
[00:03:23]  The amount of money you'd have to pay me to stay at a hostel would be, I could buy a large portion of Holland for the money you would have to pay me to stay at the flying pit.
[00:03:35]  Right.
[00:03:35]  As I did last time I was here.
[00:03:38]  But it was a fun trip.
[00:03:39]  I'll tell you, there is something about the city that I really love.
[00:03:42]  Even being here.
[00:03:43]  And, you know, last time I came here, I was 19.
[00:03:46]  I was very into weed and mushrooms and things like that.
[00:03:50]  And I'm not.
[00:03:51]  That's not where I'm at anymore.
[00:03:52]  But just sitting in Amsterdam, having like a pint of Heine again, which is not a beer that's particularly good.
[00:03:58]  Right.
[00:03:59]  But just having it in Amsterdam is like, there's something nice about it.
[00:04:02]  I just really love it.
[00:04:03]  I will say, I feel like I should mention this before we start, but I did think, so I came to Amsterdam twice.
[00:04:09]  This is my third time here.
[00:04:10]  So the first time I came, I think I was like 16.
[00:04:14]  And then the last time I came, I was around 18 or 19.
[00:04:19]  And I did think it was one of the most profoundly libertarian experiences I ever had.
[00:04:26]  Many years before I found libertarianism or cared about politics or anything like that.
[00:04:31]  But there was something.
[00:04:33]  So I was a very big weed guy from a very young age.
[00:04:39]  I think when I was 14, I think I was smoking pot every day and was basically like that for many years afterward.
[00:04:47]  And, you know, in hindsight, looking back on that, I do not think that's good.
[00:04:51]  I think it's kind of mind-boggling when I see how young.
[00:04:55]  14-year-old is.
[00:04:56]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:56]  It would make you sad if you met you at 14 and knew the way you were behaving.
[00:05:00]  Yes, it is sad.
[00:05:02]  There's nothing else about it except it being sad.
[00:05:05]  And I mean, I know like my wife has like nieces and nephews who are young.
[00:05:10]  They're older than 14.
[00:05:11]  But even they, looking at them, I'm like, oh my God, these kids are like babies, you know?
[00:05:15]  Like when you're 40, you look at an 18-year-old and you're like, that is not what it felt like when I was 18.
[00:05:22]  But whatever, I had some issues in my childhood and whatever.
[00:05:25]  So I smoked a lot of pot.
[00:05:28]  But I do remember it was a very, a very present thing in my life that this was illegal because pot was very illegal back then.
[00:05:37]  And the NYPD were, they were not just tough on pot.
[00:05:41]  They were like insane.
[00:05:43]  I mean, you were, you were taking your freedom into your hands anytime you smoked weed outside or something like that, which we still regularly did, but we also lost our freedom sometimes for a bit.
[00:05:53]  And I just had a lot of encounters with cops who were, really, they were the scariest gang in Brooklyn in the 90s.
[00:06:00]  There were other like thugs you had to worry about, but the scariest ones were the cops.
[00:06:05]  And I mean, I had a lot of bad experiences with cops, just really being bullying to little kids, like just trying to scare the shit out of you.
[00:06:13]  I remember one time a cop told my friend that he wasn't going to let us go until he pissed his pants.
[00:06:23]  Oh, that's pretty bad.
[00:06:24]  Like it was really brutal.
[00:06:25]  Like they were just trying to scare the shit out of us.
[00:06:27]  They were telling us about how we were going to go to jail and what was going to happen to us in jail.
[00:06:32]  Like they locked him in a car and said, once you piss your hands on the car.
[00:06:33]  No, no, no, no.
[00:06:34]  We were outside the car still.
[00:06:36]  They told him, when you piss your pants, you can go.
[00:06:38]  Because they knew we were scared already because they were threatening us.
[00:06:41]  It was a Friday.
[00:06:42]  And back then, and we didn't have nothing to do.
[00:06:44]  And back then, it was like a dime bag of weed.
[00:06:46]  They frowned on us.
[00:06:47]  But they were like, oh, it's a Friday.
[00:06:49]  That means you won't see a judge until Monday.
[00:06:51]  So you're going to spend three nights in.
[00:06:53]  You know what they're going to do to you?
[00:06:54]  You know, blah.
[00:06:55]  We were like in the eighth grade or something like that.
[00:06:57]  You know, they were just bullying the shit out of us.
[00:07:00]  Anyway, so maybe that's a libertarian experience too.
[00:07:02]  Always kind of.
[00:07:03]  I will say that is part, or my earliest libertarian thoughts were in high school smoking weed and realizing the government's not my friend.
[00:07:10]  They would put me in jail for this.
[00:07:12]  And at a minimum, I'm not harming anyone.
[00:07:14]  This shouldn't be something that I could go to jail for.
[00:07:16]  And again, a full disclaimer here, I'm not like cheerleading rights.
[00:07:20]  It's not good that I love weed so much at that age.
[00:07:22]  And that represented other issues that I had in my life.
[00:07:25]  But there was something about coming to Amsterdam that first time, I think I was 16, and just going to a coffee shop and this thing that I loved so much.
[00:07:33]  Right.
[00:07:33]  Like my favorite thing to do was get high.
[00:07:36]  And that you could just be like, yeah, you can do that.
[00:07:38]  Right.
[00:07:39]  And you can do this with no, like this is your freedom.
[00:07:41]  You can do this with no.
[00:07:42]  It was like a profound moment in being a free person.
[00:07:47]  Again, this may seem like silly if people are like, well, you really shouldn't be smoking weed to begin with at that age and blah, whatever.
[00:07:54]  I'm not even arguing with you about that.
[00:07:56]  The question is, though, should like a 14 or a 15-year-old have a cop demanding they piss their pants and scaring the shit out of that?
[00:08:05]  Like, you know what I mean?
[00:08:06]  Verse like just being like, okay, this is, and it made me kind of understand.
[00:08:10]  It had this effect on me where it was like, I always just kind of grew up with the mantra in your head.
[00:08:15]  Almost the same way I talk about Israeli propaganda, where there are just like these things said that you just, well, it's the thing you say, and so it must be true.
[00:08:21]  And you're like, America is the free country.
[00:08:24]  Like, we're the home of the free.
[00:08:26]  And then just realizing that there was this, to me at the time, a pretty important freedom that I did not at all have.
[00:08:33]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:34]  That over here was just like, oh, you can have that.
[00:08:37]  And I don't know.
[00:08:37]  There's just something about that that really had an impact on me.
[00:08:41]  And I'm sure it probably shaped to some degree how open my mind was to libertarianism when I first found it.
[00:08:48]  And I went to both public and private school.
[00:08:50]  Oh, and you instantly saw.
[00:08:52]  I mean, just instantly saw the difference between the public and private option.
[00:08:58]  There's no way you could not.
[00:08:59]  The schools I went to, I went to PS107 in Brooklyn, New York, and Berkeley Carroll in Brooklyn, New York.
[00:09:06]  And the PS107 was like just abusive teachers and fights happening all the time.
[00:09:14]  And I'm talking in third grade.
[00:09:17]  If you saw what some of these teachers said and did to kids, you'd be like, oh, that woman should be arrested.
[00:09:22]  I'm not just saying physically abusive, verbally abusive, everything.
[00:09:24]  They didn't care.
[00:09:26]  No one was checking on you.
[00:09:27]  They didn't care if you learned anything.
[00:09:28]  They're truly awful.
[00:09:30]  And this wasn't like the worst ranked public school in Brooklyn.
[00:09:33]  It was probably at the time like in the middle of the rankings, you know?
[00:09:37]  And they were still just horrible.
[00:09:38]  And then going to a private school and being like, oh, they're actually trying to teach you shit here.
[00:09:43]  They had a lot of problems in that school too.
[00:09:45]  But at least they were like, you wouldn't be like, there's dozens of people here who should be arrested for how they're treating children.
[00:09:54]  You know what I mean?
[00:09:54]  So anyway.
[00:09:56]  I 100% agree with everything he said.

=== Regret and the Bambi Solution (03:09) ===

[00:09:58]  So not taken away from it.
[00:09:59]  To me, you can't beat my pot smoking, which was my junior and high school year of high school.
[00:10:05]  And once again, I regret the drinking and smoking I did at that time looking back.
[00:10:10]  I regret it now.
[00:10:12]  But at the time, having a fake ID, being high and drinking in a New York City bar felt, I mean, it's artificial.
[00:10:19]  It's drugs in your brain, but I felt like the cool, I felt like I was on top of the world.
[00:10:23]  Yeah.
[00:10:23]  You were.
[00:10:24]  It was the last time you were cool.
[00:10:25]  Yeah.
[00:10:26]  Like, I remember being in like New York City bars with cops also.
[00:10:29]  Yeah.
[00:10:30]  And like in the cop hangout bars and drinking like a pint off of the tap at two in the morning as a 17-year-old.
[00:10:38]  Yeah.
[00:10:39]  Yeah.
[00:10:39]  No, listen, there's nothing cooler than that.
[00:10:41]  Yeah, that really is.
[00:10:42]  That feeling is something you'll never quite get back.
[00:10:45]  Yeah.
[00:10:46]  All right.
[00:10:46]  Anyway, so we've been going around Europe the last few days.
[00:10:49]  By the way, I apologize.
[00:10:50]  This is going to be a little bit of a shorter episode.
[00:10:52]  We've had a million things go on during this.
[00:10:54]  And I love not reading the news.
[00:10:56]  I just want to come out and say it.
[00:10:57]  If we can somehow go back to full-time comedy and the rock and roll of drinking all night, waking up in the morning, the airplanes of the next show, I can never comment on the Middle East again.
[00:11:06]  Unfortunately, our calling in life has taken us to a different route.
[00:11:09]  But believe me, I get where you're coming from.
[00:11:12]  But you actually, Rob lost his bag at the, or I shouldn't say that.
[00:11:17]  You didn't lose your bag.
[00:11:19]  The people at the airport lost your bag.
[00:11:21]  I think I figured it out.
[00:11:22]  Okay.
[00:11:22]  I think I need a new bag.
[00:11:23]  I think my bag disguises itself with like the equipment at the airport.
[00:11:27]  Really?
[00:11:28]  Yeah, I think it's aesthetically.
[00:11:29]  It just looks like airport.
[00:11:31]  So it can just fall off and just hang somewhere.
[00:11:34]  And that's why everyone keeps losing my bag.
[00:11:36]  Evidently, Rob has had a string of not great luck.
[00:11:39]  So we get here and Rob has all of the podcast equipment in his bag, which for a while was not located.
[00:11:45]  But we got it back, which is good.
[00:11:47]  But we do have our last show of this stretch coming up.
[00:11:50]  So we want to make sure to get an episode out and at least talk a little bit.
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=== Seizing Peace After Terror (15:42) ===

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[00:13:16]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:13:18]  Okay, so we've been all over Europe the last few days.
[00:13:22]  Our first stop was in London.
[00:13:26]  And me and you, we walked by a pretty big Palestinian, pro-Palestinian demonstration or whatever you want to call it.
[00:13:35]  I don't know exactly, but it was pretty funny.
[00:13:37]  It was me and Rob, just a couple Jews in London, and we're walking because you couldn't get an Uber into like town.
[00:13:43]  I guess they were blocking things off because of the protest.
[00:13:45]  So we're walking there, a very densely populated thing, walking.
[00:13:48]  And me and Rob are like, oh, look, that guy's holding the Palestinian flag.
[00:13:53]  You're like, oh, look, that guy's holding the Palestinian flag.
[00:13:56]  You're like, that guy's.
[00:13:57]  And then we kind of just turn this corner, which opens up to like 40,000 people.
[00:14:01]  And you're like, oh, looks like it's a whole thing going on.
[00:14:05]  Nothing like a couple of Jews walking through a free Palestine.
[00:14:08]  And it didn't help when you were pointing.
[00:14:09]  He did it.
[00:14:11]  I think that guy's a Moz.
[00:14:12]  That guy's a Moz.
[00:14:13]  They're all Hamas.
[00:14:15]  Anyway, evidently, this went on over the last few days all over the world.
[00:14:21]  I mean, it wasn't just like in almost every Arab country that huge demonstrations, but all across Europe, in America, in my hometown of New York City, a whole lot of protesting going on.
[00:14:33]  Jews are kicking the beehive.
[00:14:35]  Yeah, well, it is.
[00:14:36]  And now all the other countries are realizing they've been invaded too.
[00:14:39]  Well, right, really.
[00:14:41]  Well, there's something interesting about that.
[00:14:42]  I mean, there's definitely a dynamic there.
[00:14:44]  I mean, there's these protests in Europe.
[00:14:47]  I mean, the ones in London, I mean, I'm not saying all of them, but looking around the faces there, these were Muslims who were protesting.
[00:14:56]  And there's a lot of them, you know?
[00:14:58]  Whatever feelings you have about any of that, I just, what's kind of remarkable to me is that there's, at least from the Israeli narrative, there's always been this view that what they say is like, look, we're the underdogs.
[00:15:17]  There's almost like these competing stories here, right?
[00:15:19]  Because there's, so the, the Palestinians will say, look, we're the underdogs because look, there's, there's less of us.
[00:15:27]  We're in this tiny little concentrated area and we're completely dominated by greater Israel.
[00:15:31]  But then Israel will be like, yeah, that's true, but we're in a sea of 1.5 billion Muslims or whatever the exact number is.
[00:15:38]  And we're the little guys who are up against it.
[00:15:40]  Look, we're a country the size of New Jersey and we were invaded by all these different countries and we fought and we won against all odds.
[00:15:46]  We won and we're kind of here, you know.
[00:15:48]  But so even according to the Israeli narrative, It just makes me go, are you guys not concerned about this at all?
[00:15:57]  Like the amount of hubris to just be like, we can do whatever we want to Gaza and there will be no ramifications from this.
[00:16:05]  If you were this tiny little country of Israel and you were seeing throughout almost every major country in the world these massive demonstrations against what you're doing, would that not give you reason to pause and go like, we might be facing an existential threat if we continue with this?
[00:16:24]  And at least there seems to be no indication from leadership in Israel or the United States of America that this is even entering their head, that they're even considering this.
[00:16:36]  I would warn any world leader also, even if you have in writing from the neocons, whatever they say they're coming through on, they're not.
[00:16:45]  It's a function of public support.
[00:16:47]  Look at what's going on in Ukraine.
[00:16:49]  If you think you can stir up some shit and we're automatically getting your U.S. is going to automatically get your back in Iran or indefinitely, believe me, the second things becomes unpopular enough here, you will get sold out.
[00:17:02]  Yeah, no question about it.
[00:17:04]  And like, you know, there's a thing where before, there's an example Gene Epstein always uses.
[00:17:11]  I rely back on Gene Epstein examples often, but he, what he was talking about, because, you know, he's a bit older than us and he just has a perspective that we don't have.
[00:17:20]  And so we, I may have read a lot about this stuff, but I can't really tell you what it was like in the 80s.
[00:17:25]  I was born in 1983.
[00:17:27]  You know what I mean?
[00:17:27]  Like, I don't really know.
[00:17:29]  But he was talking about how, like, if you had said in 1985 that the Soviet Union was about to collapse, people would have been like, you're out of your fucking mind.
[00:17:39]  Like, there's no way.
[00:17:41]  This is just impossible because they had been there for like 70 years, you know?
[00:17:45]  And like, it's just at a certain point, like, that you're like, there's no way that can happen.
[00:17:50]  And so I think there's a similar type of feeling here about Israel that, well, I mean, it's guaranteed that they couldn't collapse or something because it's the state of Israel.
[00:18:00]  But it's not that long.
[00:18:01]  It's not that long, about the same amount of time as the Soviet Union, give or take.
[00:18:05]  And the idea that you just that there can't be this catastrophic consequence of these actions for Israel.
[00:18:17]  Forget, you know what I mean, for Gaza for the second, which is maybe even more of the immediate concern.
[00:18:22]  But the fact that they are not even concerned with their own, their own self-preservation.
[00:18:29]  And when I say that, it's not that they're not concerned about their own self-preservation.
[00:18:33]  It's that there's such hubris that comes along with power that after a while, you're like, we can do whatever we want to.
[00:18:39]  Kind of like in the same way that the Biden administration seems to have felt that they can start a war on Russia's border and win the war.
[00:18:48]  Like, we're America.
[00:18:50]  We can do that.
[00:18:51]  And those are similar types of vibes that I'm getting out of Israel right now.
[00:18:56]  I mean, they've just, they've been on this brutal bombing campaign over the last couple weeks.
[00:19:05]  And they are seemingly prepping for a ground invasion now with what seems to be no concern about what the backlash of this could be.
[00:19:16]  It doesn't seem to me like with an open internet, they can win the PR battle on this one.
[00:19:21]  Yeah.
[00:19:21]  Well, look, it seems like I agree with you on that.
[00:19:24]  I think it's going to be very tough to win the PR battle.
[00:19:26]  I also think that it's just horrible.
[00:19:31]  You know, it's just like horrible what they're doing.
[00:19:32]  What is it, though, about the Gaza stuff that gets so much more coverage than, for example, Saudi Arabia and Yemen?
[00:19:38]  Like, how did they squash that storyline outside of the you and I knowing about it from the Scott Horden speeches?
[00:19:44]  And, you know, like, I never come across articles on that.
[00:19:48]  Or maybe once a year you'll see something about arms deal with Saudi Arabia and that's like a footnote.
[00:19:53]  Yeah, well, look, there is no question that there's something about, there's something about the dynamic of Muslims oppressing other Muslims that does not generate as much sympathy or outrage as Jews or Europeans dominating.
[00:20:14]  I think there's something in the pro-Palestinian activists are left-wingers and left-wingers are never completely outside the realm of identitarianism in one sense or another, you know, the oppressor versus the oppressed type thing.
[00:20:28]  And that I think when you have a country like Israel that is essentially a modern Western country, there's kind of a greater expectation of how humanitarian you would be.
[00:20:44]  So I think that's part of it.
[00:20:46]  I also think that, you know, I don't know.
[00:20:50]  This is just one of the more that this conflict is more embedded in the American psyche and the European psyche than others.
[00:20:59]  It's also, you know, many Europeans and particularly the United States of America are really the reason why Israel's been able to do this for so long.
[00:21:09]  Although you could argue that that's true with Saudi and the Houthis in Yemen there too.
[00:21:13]  So I don't know exactly.
[00:21:14]  I think it's something to do with that.
[00:21:17]  But, you know, one of the things that I find really tragic about this moment is that there are, okay, when you have a terrorist attack like what Hamas pulled off in Israel or say 9-11 after that, what happens is, and I hope people listening to this, I hope you can notice this, particularly with right-wingers.
[00:21:40]  The best part of the last two weeks has been that it's probably easier for you to see who's who on the right wing at this point, who actually believed in some of the principles they've been talking about for the last 15 years, and who immediately reverted back to 2002 and immediately was like, no questions asked, blank check for war.
[00:22:01]  Oh, and by the way, you're a racist, anti-Semite terrorist lover if you don't completely agree with me.
[00:22:08]  If you have a few questions to ask, you love terrorism and you hate Jews, you know?
[00:22:12]  So you can see that.
[00:22:13]  But, you know, after 9-11, the truth is that there was a huge opportunity for the United States of America where we actually could have won over the world.
[00:22:24]  And this is one of the things that gets completely buried about 9-11 because George W. Bush was president and we responded the way we responded.
[00:22:32]  But they, and this is like a little detail, but so we by very shortly after 9-11, I don't know the exact timeframe, but within a matter of weeks, there were special operations offensives going on in Afghanistan.
[00:22:47]  Like we were, we had the CIA over there.
[00:22:48]  They were bombing the crap out of al-Qaeda sites.
[00:22:51]  And it was by late 2001 where we had Osama bin Laden trapped in Tora Bora.
[00:22:58]  And I can't say this with complete certainty.
[00:23:00]  Do you think they let him go?
[00:23:01]  Almost certainly.
[00:23:02]  Just so they let him go.
[00:23:04]  If you want to go and actually read details about this, Scott Horton's book, it wasn't in enough already.
[00:23:10]  It was in Fool's Errand.
[00:23:12]  But he really covers it.
[00:23:13]  And it's like, it's footnoted and really backed up that there were like the special ops on the grounds were like begging for reinforcements.
[00:23:22]  Like, we know he's here.
[00:23:23]  And they let him get off to Pakistan.
[00:23:26]  And I think a big part of that is because, look, if they had caught Osama bin Laden, then there's no war in Iraq.
[00:23:33]  You're not going to be able to sell the war in Iraq if you already have all the people found.
[00:23:37]  But if Saddam's still out there, I mean, if Osama's still out there, we can say Osama's in business with Saddam and we really got, like, their eyes were already on Baghdad at this point.
[00:23:45]  So, but like, had we wrapped up that war and had we done it without an invasion and a regime change catastrophe of 20 years in Afghanistan, right?
[00:23:56]  And had we not invaded Iraq and then had we not had all the subsequent wars and all these other countries, we would have been in a different place with the world.
[00:24:04]  We could have like you, you know, there's all these dumb right-wingers who, as soon as something like this happens, like, well, you want to do nothing?
[00:24:11]  Or they killed us and you think we're not going to go kill a whole bunch of them?
[00:24:14]  What do you want?
[00:24:14]  And then this just continues the cycle.
[00:24:16]  Look, in immediately following 9-11, the Russians reached out with their deepest condolences.
[00:24:25]  What can we do to help you in this war on terror?
[00:24:27]  We're completely with you.
[00:24:28]  All of Europe was completely with us.
[00:24:31]  Dude, Iran, I got to look up these details on this, but Iran, they had huge candlelight vigils in Tehran.
[00:24:40]  They had, I think it was at one of their biggest soccer stadiums.
[00:24:42]  It's like this 50,000, 60,000-seat soccer-like arena.
[00:24:47]  And they had like a moment of silence where you could hear a pin drop for the people of 9-11.
[00:24:52]  The government of Iran condemned the terrorist attacks.
[00:24:55]  Like, now, okay, there's a little Sunni Shiite beef in there too, but like, the point is just that you could kind of rise up.
[00:25:02]  And I know, as crazy as this sounds to a lot of like these hard noses, like, you got to do something.
[00:25:07]  This actually was an opportunity for Israel to kind of like work on a real sustainable peace now.
[00:25:14]  And you could even do that with some special ops missions.
[00:25:17]  Like, you're still trying to get the people who did this to you.
[00:25:20]  And that could be understood.
[00:25:21]  But when you just, your response to it is like, I don't care how many of your kids got to die.
[00:25:26]  You're like, okay, well, now you've made another enemy for life.
[00:25:29]  And don't, I just don't buy into this shit.
[00:25:32]  Like, as I've made this point, I know in the last few episodes, but like, I don't buy into this shit where people are like, no, but, you know, the Muslims in Gaza are so radical that you could never make peace with them.
[00:25:45]  You could only make peace with the Muslims in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia.
[00:25:50]  You have all these neighboring states.
[00:25:52]  They all have radical Islam there.
[00:25:54]  And yet there's peace with Israel and all of them.
[00:25:56]  There's not with Lebanon because, you know, you just occupied them within, you know, less than two decades ago.
[00:26:03]  Okay, so fine.
[00:26:05]  But anyway, it's just like an enormous opportunity to actually move forward for peace and look like the good guys.
[00:26:12]  You know what I mean?
[00:26:13]  And look like the bigger men who are like, listen, we know how horrible it is.
[00:26:17]  We just survived this tragedy.
[00:26:19]  We're going to do everything to get these hostages back.
[00:26:25]  Not dropping bombs on them because that's probably not the best way to get them back.
[00:26:28]  We're going to do everything to get them back and we're going to really move forward with a two-state solution.
[00:26:33]  This is the only like option here.
[00:26:36]  And there's just, you know, like in crises, there's opportunity is something like the bad guys say a lot.
[00:26:41]  You know, like Henry Kissinger or whoever who is Obama's guy, who's Rahm Emmanuel, like said something about that, or a great crisis you can get.
[00:26:51]  But it's also true for good guys.
[00:26:52]  Like it's also true that you could do a lot more in a crisis than you ever could have.
[00:26:55]  I guess they take the approach of you can't reward the terrorism.
[00:27:00]  Yes, that's it.
[00:27:02]  And they fearmonger.
[00:27:04]  I don't know how true this claim is, but that any resources extended to Gaza result in further resources for terrorism.
[00:27:12]  Right.
[00:27:12]  So that's what they say, right?
[00:27:13]  But then here's the obvious response to it.
[00:27:16]  It's like, okay, you can't reward the terrorists, right?
[00:27:19]  But then that leads to the question of what is really rewarding the terrorists?
[00:27:24]  Is it being provoked into exactly what they wanted you to be provoked into doing?
[00:27:29]  Right.
[00:27:29]  And then turning the entire global Muslim population against you.
[00:27:33]  Like, I would argue that's rewarding them.
[00:27:35]  Like, I mean, you could think like Hamas are a bunch of idiots.
[00:27:40]  They pulled off a pretty coordinated, sophisticated attack on the most prepared country in the world.
[00:27:44]  So maybe they're not that stupid, but what do you think they thought the response was going to be to this?
[00:27:49]  They obviously knew Israel was going to go.
[00:27:51]  This is the whole point.
[00:27:52]  This is the whole point of 9-11 was to provoke us into invading Afghanistan, where empires go to die.
[00:27:57]  And this is the whole point of this, was to overreact and then turn the entire Muslim world against them and have all of Arabia, you know what I mean, like pissed off at them.
[00:28:07]  And so what's really rewarding the terrorists?
[00:28:09]  Like, I think you could make an argument that it's like, um, it would actually be less of a reward for them if you didn't fall into their trap.
[00:28:16]  And then you go, you know, well, what's the reward for like the innocent people who are not terrorists?
[00:28:22]  Well, it would definitely be a reward to not kill them and their families.
[00:28:25]  And it would definitely, you know, look, however you feel about Osama bin Laden, let's say, because sometimes I'd get in these arguments with neocons where they'd be like, hey, he may say that the reason he hates America is because of our support for Israel and us propping up brutal dictators in the region and that we killed so many people with the sanction blockade around Iraq and that we've killed so many innocent Muslims.

=== False Flags and Foreign Policy (08:55) ===

[00:28:50]  He may say that's why he hates us, but why he really hates us is because he's just pure evil.
[00:28:55]  And now it's like, okay, yeah, I guess we can compete over psychoanalyzing the guy, but neither of us know what's in his heart, whatever.
[00:29:02]  But what's his, how does he recruit people?
[00:29:06]  How does he get so many people on his side?
[00:29:09]  It's definitely by saying, look how horrible America's foreign policy is.
[00:29:13]  And in fact, even our own FBI, because they've conducted like dozens and dozens of like entrapment, you know, ploys where they get some young Muslim weirdo to like, you know, detonate a bomb that's not real.
[00:29:29]  And then they brag that they thwarted a terrorist attack.
[00:29:32]  And give us more money so we can prevent even more.
[00:29:34]  Right.
[00:29:35]  Now, every time when they approach those Muslim kids, you know what they do?
[00:29:39]  They never approach them and go, and you can go look into the details, but pick any case and you show me how they approached them.
[00:29:44]  They never approach them by going, you know, in the Quran, it says this.
[00:29:47]  Right.
[00:29:48]  So don't you want to go kill these people?
[00:29:49]  Don't you feel bad for these victims?
[00:29:51]  Look at what they're doing.
[00:29:52]  Look at what they're doing in these wars.
[00:29:53]  Look how many innocent Muslims and women have been shot.
[00:29:56]  Are you going to let this happen to these little girls?
[00:29:59]  The FBI knows how to radicalize someone.
[00:30:01]  Yes, they know exactly.
[00:30:02]  Yeah, that's wild.
[00:30:03]  So what is actually rewarding the terrorists and what isn't?
[00:30:06]  It seems to me it would be rewarding them to boost their whole recruitment effort.
[00:30:11]  Right.
[00:30:12]  To like make, to prove their narrative correct, at least partially, you know?
[00:30:19]  So anyway, that's the question that I think cooler heads need to ponder.
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[00:31:21]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:31:23]  Okay, I did want to.
[00:31:24]  I think that segues into the Blinken thing.
[00:31:27]  Yes.
[00:31:27]  So let's mention this.
[00:31:28]  So essentially, Blinken came out and said that if any U.S. personnel are attacked, that we're blaming Iran and that we will not hesitate to take action against Iran.
[00:31:42]  The amount of war fever, the amount of war propaganda about a U.S.-Iran war over the last few days is something to behold.
[00:31:54]  It's really just amazing.
[00:31:56]  I'll tell you, just a few weeks ago, I would have very confidently said that at least one of the neocons' major goals, which was war with Iran, had failed.
[00:32:12]  And that that whole, you know, if you go back and listen to the, you know, the Wesley Clark clip where he says in late 2001, he saw the plans already.
[00:32:20]  By the way, that kind of lines up with what I was saying about letting Osama go.
[00:32:23]  Because in late 2001, he's like, they already had the plans.
[00:32:25]  And the plans weren't just, as he breaks down.
[00:32:28]  It wasn't just that we were going to invade Iraq, which is bad enough, but that it was also that we're going to topple seven Muslim countries in the next five years or whatever the exact numbers were.
[00:32:37]  And the countries there were, if I'm remembering correctly, it was Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, I believe it was Lebanon, and maybe one other that I'm blanking on.
[00:32:55]  Maybe it was Yemen.
[00:32:56]  I can't remember.
[00:32:56]  And then finally, culminating with Iran.
[00:33:00]  And we certainly got a lot of these.
[00:33:02]  Sudan, maybe.
[00:33:03]  And we certainly got a lot of these.
[00:33:05]  Now, again, the attempt in Syria clearly failed when the Russians intervened.
[00:33:11]  That's part of the reason why Russia's been the bad guy now since then.
[00:33:15]  But a lot of these certainly did work, right?
[00:33:18]  Like we had regime changes in a lot of these other countries in Yemen.
[00:33:23]  Obviously, we'd failed in Afghanistan as well, succeeded in Iraq, succeeded in Libya.
[00:33:27]  But the Iran one, I was like, well, you just failed.
[00:33:30]  Time ran out.
[00:33:32]  And people in America are totally over regime change wars in the Middle East.
[00:33:37]  So you didn't get the Iran one.
[00:33:38]  Thank God, because that's the toughest out of all of them.
[00:33:41]  And now the second this Hamas attack happens, every neocon is out pumping war with Iran.
[00:33:48]  And you're kind of like, oh, they're back.
[00:33:52]  They've been given a shot now to get this war that they always wanted.
[00:33:56]  Whether that'll work or not, I'm still somewhat optimistic that it's just not possible.
[00:34:01]  I think there's enough forces even within the military who resisted the neocons demand for war with Iraq back in the day because they were like, this is just, we can't do this logistically.
[00:34:10]  But it's pretty incredible to watch them say something like this, like blink.
[00:34:14]  It's like, what a reckless statement when, look, we're at war with Russia.
[00:34:21]  Huh?
[00:34:21]  Also, by that standard, we're at war with Russia right now.
[00:34:24]  Oh, yeah, right, right.
[00:34:26]  But also the fact that you're like, okay, well, if American forces are attacked, you're like, but where are the American forces exactly?
[00:34:33]  Oh, yeah, that's right.
[00:34:33]  And you're like, oh, yeah.
[00:34:34]  Well, because we have forces in Lebanon.
[00:34:37]  We have forces in Israel right now.
[00:34:41]  We have these people like all over this region.
[00:34:43]  We still have troops in Syria.
[00:34:45]  And like, yeah, these are easy targets for Iran.
[00:34:47]  But then it's also like he was very clear to say if Iran or any of their proxies.
[00:34:52]  So now you're saying a random other group.
[00:34:55]  Essentially, if a Shiite with a gun kills someone, you can now go, oh, that's war with Iran.
[00:35:02]  Right.
[00:35:02]  That's war with a country three times the size of Iraq.
[00:35:05]  Right.
[00:35:05]  You know, who can hit a lot of our targets and a lot of Israeli targets pretty much.
[00:35:09]  You don't even need to have targets hit.
[00:35:10]  I mean, the cartoonish story, which I'm still confused about from a couple days ago where they said Hamas at a hospital was blown up, and then Israel said, no, you blew up your hospital.
[00:35:19]  And then Israel said, I'm fine.
[00:35:20]  You didn't blow up your own hospital.
[00:35:21]  It was this other group of people.
[00:35:23]  Which I was like, wait, there's another group of people?
[00:35:25]  Sounds like you probably shouldn't take out Hamas in the UK.
[00:35:27]  By the way, Power had also already warned about hitting this hospital beforehand, which is why so many people assumed it was Israel to begin with.
[00:35:34]  Okay.
[00:35:35]  But the point I'm trying to get at is we don't even know if targets are or are not being hit.
[00:35:40]  And now there's apparently other groups of people who are just floating around in these areas.
[00:35:44]  So you're telling me that someone who wants to get more hostilities going can't claim, look at this horrible thing that was, hey, we're going to, and look at what happened with the, with the, when we said that there was going to be a red line of chemical weapons and they tried to pretend like chemical weapons had gone off in Syria.
[00:35:57]  Yep.
[00:35:58]  There's nothing quite like saying, hey, if anyone does this, then that's what's going to get us into this war as a well, that's that's yeah, that's part of the reason why it's so reckless, because then it's like, oh, well, now you've painted yourself into a corner where the outcome is at minimum, a horrific war, substantially harder than the war in Iraq.
[00:36:17]  Right.
[00:36:17]  And at maximum, a world war, which might be triggered by this.
[00:36:21]  You can already see so many countries lining up.
[00:36:23]  And it does seem like between this thing in Ukraine and now this, like, it's almost like, is the goal here World War III?
[00:36:29]  Are you just like, ah, this World War III thing doesn't seem to be coming together in Ukraine the way we hoped.
[00:36:34]  So let's see if we can't get it going over here.
[00:36:36]  Not saying it is, but it's, it would almost kind of make sense if that was the strategy.
[00:36:43]  And then, of course, you have these other, you know, look, I don't know.
[00:36:46]  And I will say, I would not be shocked if we learned that Iran had some direct influence in the Hamas attack against Israel.
[00:36:57]  The Iranians and the Hamas leadership, the government of Iran and Hamas leadership are clients.
[00:37:06]  They've done some business together.
[00:37:08]  Iran, I think, has a stronger relationship with Hezbollah.
[00:37:12]  So it's not as if they're, I'd be shocked if there was, but we haven't seen any evidence of that.
[00:37:17]  And it's not as if if there's an attack from Hezbollah on Israel or if there's another attack from Hamas on Israel, it's not a foregone conclusion that that was Iranian directed.
[00:37:29]  You know what I mean?
[00:37:30]  Like it's possible.
[00:37:31]  But the idea that we would just say we're jumping to that conclusion if that happens, just so you know, it's just madness.
[00:37:37]  It's absolutely madness.
[00:37:40]  And it just, it's, it's unbelievable how reckless of a policy that is.

=== Breaking Bad Habits with Fume (02:56) ===

[00:37:45]  And to the point you made, yeah, it also opens you up to like, let's say, false flag attacks.
[00:37:50]  Let's say someone who really wants that war to happen.
[00:37:52]  Now they all, now they're like, well, all I got to do is have this attack and then make it look like it came from here.
[00:37:57]  Luckily, Blinken's an idiot pussy.
[00:38:00]  And we've seen Biden say things at the White House goes, that doesn't represent the view of the White House.
[00:38:06]  Now, Blinken might be the real view of the White House, but the fact that Blinken said something.
[00:38:11]  Yeah.
[00:38:11]  Whatever.
[00:38:12]  Yeah.
[00:38:12]  No, I agree with you on that.
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[00:39:57]  Here, let's, like I said, this will be a little bit of a shorter episode, but let's, I wanted to talk about this one thing before we wrap up.
[00:40:04]  How long have we been going for?
[00:40:06]  We got 35.
[00:40:08]  All right, all right.
[00:40:08]  We'll talk for a few more minutes.
[00:40:10]  Then we got to get ready for our show that we're going to do here in a second.
[00:40:13]  But I just thought this was so great.
[00:40:14]  I thought this it sums up everything that's been going on, say, amongst the right-wing.
[00:40:21]  And by the way, forgive me because some people have different definitions of right-wing, whatever you mean by that.
[00:40:26]  I'm just saying like the Republican leaders and the conservative slash right-wing self-identified influencers who have completely just turned into George W. Bush, you know, Republicans over the last year.
[00:40:39]  Everything's just switched.
[00:40:40]  Yes, yes.

=== Anti-Semitism and Defunding Universities (06:16) ===

[00:40:41]  So this was by quite possibly the worst presidential candidate that there is right now on any party.
[00:40:51]  Can I guess?
[00:40:52]  Can I guess?
[00:40:52]  Yes.
[00:40:52]  Nikki Haley?
[00:40:53]  Yes.
[00:40:54]  You nailed it.
[00:40:56]  I think there's a very strong argument that she's the absolute worst.
[00:41:00]  You could argue even worse than Biden.
[00:41:02]  Okay.
[00:41:02]  Because I think that she, first off, she knows what year it is.
[00:41:08]  She's younger and she seems to be a true believer in the war party.
[00:41:12]  Or sure, whatever you want to call it.
[00:41:16]  That's a fair correction.
[00:41:18]  But regardless, it seems very clear that her number one priority would be to see that the warfare state gets everything it wants.
[00:41:25]  Even Biden, you know, like Biden had some resistance to ending the war.
[00:41:29]  Remember, if we don't fight them over there, we're going to have to fight them over here.
[00:41:32]  She is a young chick Dick Cheney.
[00:41:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:37]  So she said this, but I just thought this sums it up so much to me.
[00:41:40]  I love that young now is 60 for politics.
[00:41:43]  Yeah, well, right, exactly.
[00:41:44]  Yeah, really.
[00:41:45]  She might be a little younger than 60, but anyway.
[00:41:48]  So Nikki Haley tweeted this a few days back.
[00:41:51]  I love this on many levels.
[00:41:53]  She said, no more federal money for colleges and universities that allow anti-Semitism to flourish on campus.
[00:42:03]  Now, there are so many levels to how just delicious that is.
[00:42:09]  Like how much you give away with what you prioritize and who you really are in this moment.
[00:42:15]  Now, first off, I've said this for a while, way before this last flare-up of the war between Muslims and, or excuse me, between the Israelis and the Palestinians, way before this Hamas terrorist attack.
[00:42:30]  But it is quite funny how all of these people, be they Ben Shapiro or Maron DeSantis or any of them, are the anti-woke crusaders until it comes to Israel.
[00:42:42]  And then they are the wokest people amongst us.
[00:42:46]  No more money for anti-Semitism.
[00:42:49]  How do we define anti-Semitism?
[00:42:51]  However we feel like it.
[00:42:53]  And that doesn't mean there isn't any anti-Semitism on college campuses, just like it doesn't mean there isn't any racism on college campuses.
[00:43:00]  But the idea that we can just blanketly label these things, oh, and by the way, we're going to use federal funding to incentivize our woke behavior.
[00:43:11]  That's another thing now that Republicans are okay with.
[00:43:14]  Oh, and here's one more thing.
[00:43:17]  This is what it takes to get her to say, I'm for defunding universities.
[00:43:23]  Oh, now you're for defunding universities?
[00:43:26]  The biggest enemy of everything conservative, these like indoctrination camps that are, you know what I mean, are pumping out the next generation of elites and pumping into their mind that everything you value is evil.
[00:43:44]  But now because they're not for Israel's war, you're going to be serious about cutting their funding?
[00:43:50]  By the way, this is the type of stuff that, and again, our podcast of a couple of Jews here, but how do you not look at this and go, wait, so for all, like, okay, anti-Semitism, let's start with the starting point, which I do believe, there has been some anti-Semitism being pumped out lately.
[00:44:07]  I mean, I was put on that, remember we were laughing at that graphic of me with the star David on it?
[00:44:12]  I was just put on a list for being, these are the Jewish influencers.
[00:44:16]  Now, the idiot who put that list out didn't realize that they put me and Max Blumenthal and Glenn Greenwald and all of these people who have been great on this issue on that list.
[00:44:26]  So it actually just made the opposite point of what it was intending to make, which is that there's all types of Jews who are on all different sides of this issue.
[00:44:34]  I don't know what that proves.
[00:44:36]  But anyway, I just, I like to make a list.
[00:44:40]  But so let's say there has been some anti-Semitism.
[00:44:42]  I think I called out one rally that was at a college campus that was like the we have hang gliders, power to the freedom fighters.
[00:44:50]  And I was like, okay, that's disgusting.
[00:44:52]  Don't say things like that.
[00:44:54]  Let's grant that there has been some anti-Semitism on college campus.
[00:44:57]  So Nikki Haley thinks that deserves them to have their funding cut.
[00:45:02]  Okay, well, look, in theory, me and you, number one, don't really like anti-Semitism.
[00:45:08]  Okay.
[00:45:08]  Number two, we believe all universities should be defunded anyway.
[00:45:12]  So am I really that upset about defunding?
[00:45:14]  Sure, whatever.
[00:45:15]  Who cares?
[00:45:16]  Go ahead.
[00:45:16]  Defund these universities.
[00:45:17]  Great.
[00:45:18]  None of them should get any taxpayer money to begin with.
[00:45:21]  But if you're going to complain about anti-Semitism, how about the anti-white rhetoric that's come out of universities over, say, the last 10 years?
[00:45:32]  How about the anti-white, straight male rhetoric?
[00:45:36]  And isn't it interesting that you never even thought to say something like we should cut funding over that?
[00:45:45]  How do you not see that?
[00:45:47]  How does anyone not see that and go like, what an appalling double standard?
[00:45:51]  Right.
[00:45:51]  Why do we care more about defending Israel and anti-Semitism than the shaming of white males?
[00:45:56]  And I think this is part of the reason.
[00:45:58]  First off, I think this leads to more anti-Semitism.
[00:46:01]  This has been one of my major, you know, a thesis of mine or whatever you want to call it.
[00:46:05]  Like, this is what I've, I think this, you're creating more anti-Semitism.
[00:46:09]  But like, particularly for, say, Republicans, I mean, what percentage of Jews, which are 2% of Americans, vote for Republicans?
[00:46:19]  Like, how many Jewish voters do you have compared to how many white men?
[00:46:24]  And so how do those white men, you know, non-Jew white men, I know some people consider Jews white, whatever.
[00:46:30]  You get the point I'm making.
[00:46:31]  What percentage of those people, how are they supposed to look at that and go, yeah, you totally represent me?
[00:46:38]  The way I can be totally discriminated against, you can have as much prejudice against me as you want to, but you have prejudice against this tiny portion of our country who overwhelmingly votes Democrat, and the Republicans will stand up and say, you're losing your funding.
[00:46:55]  It's just, there's this one tweet.

=== Ranting Before San Diego (00:48) ===

[00:46:58]  It's one sentence long, and it contains so much in it.
[00:47:00]  I just, I remember seeing that and going, well, I'll be ranting about this on the next podcast.
[00:47:06]  All right, dude, you know, let's wrap up there.
[00:47:09]  We got our last show to go do.
[00:47:10]  Hell yeah.
[00:47:11]  And before we go, what do we got next?
[00:47:13]  So this weekend, assuming if this comes out on time, Friday night, I'm in Las Vegas, Nevada, DJ Dad shirt opening up, sick jam band out there.
[00:47:21]  I got Kyle Ruff and Tino Sanchez on that show.
[00:47:24]  Then I go to Tucson, Arizona, and then Phoenix, Arizona with Kyle Ruff.
[00:47:28]  And then you and I are in San Diego the following weekend.
[00:47:31]  Oh, yeah, that's right.
[00:47:32]  San Diego American Comedy Club.
[00:47:35]  Very much looking forward to that.
[00:47:36]  ComicDaveSmith.com, and you can find, we got a bunch of stuff coming up.
[00:47:39]  It's going to be a busy November.
[00:47:41]  And RobbyTheFire.com for all Rob's headlining dates.
[00:47:44]  All right.
[00:47:44]  Thank you guys very much.
[00:47:45]  Catch you next time.