Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein analyze Trump's Truth Social warnings against election rigging, debating his past support for lockdowns versus current "deep state" accusations involving John Barr and James Mattis. They explore Tucker Carlson's claims of CIA illegitimacy and speculate on removal tactics ranging from bogging down court dates to covert health threats, contrasting modern backlash with historical assassinations. Ultimately, the hosts critique shifting propaganda narratives regarding terrorism and Putin, arguing that U.S. hubris in proxy wars alienates global allies while undermining the dollar's reserve status. [Automatically generated summary]
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Truth Social vs Twitter00:07:09
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Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith, and he is Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
How are you, friend?
Oh, I'm doing great.
This is nice to have spent a couple days at home.
I feel you too.
I've got like a couple weeks stretch here at home, which is nice.
And then I'm just, my calendar is just bonkers for the rest of the year after that.
But I am enjoying it.
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My next one up, unfortunately, Rob won't be able to join me, but the next one up, I believe, is Governors in Long Island.
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And then a whole bunch of stuff.
And then, of course, me and Rob fairly soon are going on our first ever European tour together along with Luis J. Gomez and Zach Amiko.
So that's going to be a great, a great, great time.
So looking forward to that one.
All right.
Let's jump into some stuff here, Rob, unless there's anything else specifically you wanted to plug up top.
Maryland this Saturday.
I don't know when this comes out, but that's the biggest porch store of the whole year.
And then next weekend out in California with Brian McWilliams doing a couple shows.
So come hang out.
Oh, hell yeah.
Love Brian McWilliams.
Hilarious guy.
Good dude.
But really, Europe.
Grow out your bush and come party with us in Europe.
Yeah, that's where it's at.
I don't think you got to tell those people to grow out their bush, Rob.
Well, just to fit in.
They check it at the border.
Okay.
So Donald Trump somehow always makes himself the center of every story.
Donald Trump released a video.
I guess he did not tweet this.
Although, you know, did you see, Rob, how he did come back to Twitter, but just for the one to tweet the mug shot, I believe.
I don't think he just wants to go, it's not fair and leave.
Yeah, but wasn't it?
See, I was always under the impression, and I don't know why I just accepted this, but I had heard that he basically was like contractually obligated to only tweet on Truth Social or to only post on Truth Social.
It's not Twitter anymore either, at X, whatever.
But, you know, which made sense, like that sounded plausible that, okay, all these people invested and they're investing in, okay, well, the biggest guy is going to only use this, and that's kind of what drives it.
But then he did come back and just hit this one tweet.
So I'm almost like, wait, can he do this now?
Or is he not allowed to do it?
I don't exactly understand.
I'm pulling this out of my ass.
Sometimes there's good information there.
There might have been a carve out.
You never know what you're going to find in Rob's ass.
Yes, there's some, you know, that would have saved you from being vaccinated.
I think there might be a presidential run carve-out.
So I think he's not allowed to be on other platforms, but I think there might have been a carve out.
The only reason I'm saying that is because I remember just coming across that somewhere.
So that's why I'm saying I'm pulling it out of my ass.
Well, it's interesting still.
Even if there's a carve-out for the campaign, it's still interesting that he's only used it once.
Like he's only gone to that one time.
It's this was always a thing that we had wondered about.
Twitter was such a crucial part of Donald Trump's campaign in 2016 that we were kind of like, whoa, well, what does that really hurt him in 2024 to be running without having a Twitter account?
It seems to me in this experiment we're running, it just doesn't really matter.
Trump is just so big.
He's so much bigger than the system.
He's just like, he's the most famous human being on the planet.
And he can just, he still drives the story.
Like it's still all anyone's talking about on Twitter when he posts something on Truth Social.
So it doesn't seem to me to matter.
It's interesting.
It'll be interesting to kind of see how going forward, how many times he goes to Twitter.
Now it's almost like he's because the guy really is.
I mean, oh, he can't resist.
Now that he's back, are you kidding me?
Just wait till next time he's on SudaFed at 2 a.m.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, yes, but I'm just saying right now he's doing that on Truth Social.
What's interesting because he is a genius marketer.
And I think more so than anything else, that's what his true talent is.
That now he's made it a thing where a tweet is so valuable.
Like when he sent this one tweet, everyone's like, whoa, he tweeted.
This is insane.
You know, so like now it's like, he's almost going to choose when do I use that?
Now it's almost like the nuclear option.
You know what I mean?
Like it's anyway, it's just kind of interesting to watch that dynamic at play.
But anyway, so he did not post this video to Twitter.
He posted it at Truth Social.
But of course, it's been all over Twitter.
Let's play the video and respond.
The left-wing lunatics are trying very hard to bring back COVID lockdowns and mandates with all of their sudden fear-mongering about the new variants that are coming.
Key whiz, you know what else is coming?
An election.
They want to restart the COVID hysteria so they can justify more lockdowns, more censorship, more illegal Dropboxes, more mail-in ballots, and trillions of dollars in payoffs to their political allies heading into the 2024 election.
Does that sound familiar?
These are bad people.
These are sick people we're dealing with.
But to every COVID tyrant who wants to take away our freedom, hear these words.
We will not comply.
So don't even think about it.
We will not shut down our schools.
We will not accept your lockdowns.
We will not abide by your mask mandates.
And we will not tolerate your vaccine mandates.
They rigged the 2020 election and now they're trying to do the same thing all over again by rigging the most important election in the history of our country, the 2024 election.
Even if it means trying to bring back COVID, but they will fail because we will not let it happen.
When I'm back in the White House, I will use every available authority to cut federal funding to any school, college, airline, or public transportation system that imposes a mask mandate or a vaccine mandate.
Thank you very much.
All right.
So that was Trump's message.
Trump's Fair System Message00:14:57
I got to say, look, there's really nothing to complain about in that message itself.
I think this was, it's very smart for Donald Trump to make himself kind of like the, they want to bring COVID back.
I'm the anti bring COVID back guy.
I think it certainly, I think it resonates with much of his base and I would imagine with some kind of like independent types also to say, look, what they're trying to do here is clearly about control is locking down this election.
Now, I'm not making that claim in kind of the way that, you know, some of Trump's lawyers have made about what happened in 2020.
I'm talking about the stuff we talk about where they, you know, they stole it from him in broad daylight.
You know what I mean?
like the stuff we know, the Hunter Biden stuff and the corporate press and all this type of stuff.
But it does seem like this time they've got to do something, you know, whether it's weaponizing the legal system against him or whatever.
I'm sure there will be moves.
However they do it, I think there's going to be moves toward some type, invoking some type of emergency powers over the next year to ensure that there's mail-in voting to ensure that they can control the system however they want to.
I also think it's worth pointing out with the mail-in ballot stuff.
This is something we've talked about in the past, Rob, but this podcast, you know, is blowing the fuck up right now.
We got a lot of new listeners.
So for the old listeners, forgive me for going over this again.
The mail-in ballot stuff, first off, everybody has always said, this has just always been accepted that the reason we didn't just do mail-in balloting before 2020, and that wasn't just the way we run elections, is that they're susceptible to fraud.
That's always been one of the main things.
However, leaving that whole issue aside, let's say there's absolutely no fraud in mail-in ballots.
The reason why Democrats love to push them is because they're inherently advantageous to Democrats.
If you get people, the more people vote, the better it usually is for Democrats.
And on the surface of that, Democrats will look at that and say, yeah, see, that proves that we're really the best because really, if all the people vote, we end up winning more often.
I don't think that's accurate.
And I think a more fair way to look at it is to say, listen, we have no type of test for whether you're allowed to vote or not, other than being a citizen.
And we don't really test that too carefully.
But there's no, you got to be over 18.
That's basically the rule.
You vote.
No one checks and says, have you read a newspaper this decade?
Do you know anything?
Can you name the three branches of government?
Can you, you know what I mean?
Like, how many senators does each state get?
There's no type of test that you have to pass.
You can know absolutely nothing about politics and you get just as much of a vote as someone who knows a lot about politics.
If you, that sounds like a fair system to you, fine, but whatever.
That's, that's what it is.
And when you do the mail-in balloting, by definition, what you do is you let people who wouldn't even bother to take an hour out of their day to go wait in line and vote, they can now vote too.
That's where the extra votes come from.
The people who wouldn't have otherwise voted, but now get to vote.
And when you, when you get those, when you let those people vote, they tend to go for Democrats.
I don't see that as being like the brag that Democrats see it as.
I see that as kind of being like, yeah, but either way, that helps them.
So I think they're going to try to, they're going to try to do whatever they can.
They've clearly the real movers and shakers, the real people who run our system, have decided that Donald Trump cannot be the next president.
I think that much is clear.
And so anyway, the fact that they're flirting with going with fearmongering about COVID again, and a lot of people on the right are speculating about that.
Donald Trump's trying to get out in front of that and reveal it for what it is.
Not a bad political tactic.
There's a reason.
There's one major problem with it, but we'll get into it in a second.
But what did you think of the video, Rob?
Oh, I was like, how is he not calling out the problem?
But it sounds like you're segueing right there.
So I'll hand it back to you.
Yeah.
Okay.
So The major problem that I just see with this is kind of what the problem with Donald Trump's campaign in general is.
And it's that this isn't 2016 Donald Trump.
This isn't 2016 Donald Trump where he can just say, all of these politicians have messed this whole thing up.
I've been over here kicking ass in my business and my TV show with my books.
I'm just a winner and I'll come in here and I'll just win.
You know, like, that's what I'll do for you.
That was his message essentially in 2016.
And it resonated with enough people to get him elected president.
The problem now is that we've had four years of Donald Trump being president.
And somehow he has to find a way, which is very tough for Trump given his brand, but he has to find a way to say, here's why we didn't get it done in those four years.
And here's why we will get it done now.
And I still have not heard that from Donald Trump at all.
You know, the problem, I mean, just think about it.
It's so obvious, right?
The problem is you're just like, oh my God, lockdowns and mandates and masking and school closures.
Well, that would never happen if Donald Trump was president.
What's the problem with that?
That it all happened when Donald Trump was president and that Donald Trump enthusiastically supported it while it was happening.
This is something that just, you know, it's just a big, it's a big fat elephant in the room with Donald Trump.
Say whatever you want about him.
Yes, it's unfair what they're doing to him.
Yes, he is the deep state and the corporate media and Hollywood are at war with him and they never let him have a real presidential term and they framed him for treason and they did everything they could at every turn.
We're going to get more into some of that stuff in a minute.
But the fact still remains that when the biggest test of his life fell on his lap, he failed miserably, miserably, championed lockdowns for months, was publicly mocking Sweden for not locking down.
By the way, Rob, you know who had the lowest excess mortality rates in all of Europe?
Sweden?
Sweden.
Yeah, they did.
Turns out they made the right decision, obviously, at this point.
And even Trump himself is saying, well, we'll never do lockdowns again.
But okay, but the reason we had them was because you were the president of the United States of America.
You declared a national emergency and you directed all of the funds and resources to these lockdown states who never would have been able to get away with lockdowns if they didn't have that.
And so, you know, the Trump supporters who make these excuses like, well, he didn't lock down.
The governor's locked down.
You're like, yeah, you're right.
He just declared the national emergency.
He just sent them all the resources he wanted.
And he just put Anthony Fauci on TV every day to tell you why they were doing the right thing.
I'm sorry.
His hands are dirty on this.
And meanwhile, DeSantis, who, you know, obviously his campaign has been pretty garbage up to this point, but he's over here attacking DeSantis for how bad Florida did during the pandemic, which is just so nutty.
Of all of the areas to go at DeSantis, and there's plenty.
That just makes no sense.
And so I just still see a real problem here.
Like it's so, you know, people, again, I know we've talked about this before, and I have somewhat of a love-hate relationship with Trump supporters.
And I mean that Trump supporters have a love-hate relationship with me.
I have nothing but love, nothing but love for them.
But they, and I get this.
And like, so because I defend Donald Trump against the deep state and how awful they are, you know what I mean?
And how criminal what they what they've done to him is.
But I also am very critical of Donald Trump.
So like on my last Rogan appearance, I did a lot of just laying out how the Russia gate was all a hoax and it was what it was.
It was the deep state framing the sitting president for treason in an attempted coup by our intelligence agencies.
And I think that's the overwhelming factual truth.
But then I will also criticize Donald Trump quite a bit.
And Trump supporters have this tendency to bend over backward to make excuses for the guy.
But there's just no excuse.
There's no excuse for some of the people who he appointed.
And you see it all right now.
In fact, what was it?
Rob, I think you just sent me an article earlier today that was an article from The Hill.
Barr says claims Trump trials will interfere with election is simply wrong.
I mean, it's so obvious.
How could you even argue that this is not going to interfere with the election?
To be indicting the guy on the 5,000 different BS counts that's not interfering with the election.
That's the guy Trump put to be in charge of the Justice Department.
Now, do you not think if you're Donald Trump, and by the way, by the time he put Barr in there, he had already been, you know, he was already being framed for treason.
Who you tapped to run the Justice Department?
Pretty goddamn important decision there, Trump.
And you didn't know?
And his supporters will be like, well, he got tricked.
He didn't know.
He didn't know who was who.
You know, they lied to him, all this.
I know.
I know Barr isn't the guy.
You didn't realize that a lifelong Bush Republican was not going to be the guy who had your back.
No, I'm sorry.
The expectation has to be that you know as much as I know at least, right?
Probably a lot more.
If you're really going to drain the swamp, you're going to be the guy who like who drains the most powerful concentrated, you know, the most the most powerful concentrated interests of all time.
You're going to take that out.
And you don't, anyone I know, anyone I know who's good on anything, everyone, me and all of my friends all know that John Bolton was not the guy to make your national security advisor, right?
This isn't like, and there's a long list of really good people who he could have put in.
He got a couple of them.
You know, he did get Colonel Douglas McGregor.
He got him in.
When did he get him in?
After the 2020 election in his lame duck period.
That's when he put in the guy who should have been his secretary of defense on day one.
But who did he put on as secretary of defense?
Mattis, because he liked the name Mad Dog and he thought, thought he looked tough.
And why did Mattis resign?
Because Trump was trying to end the war in Syria.
The thing he ran on doing.
Imagine tapping someone to be your defense secretary who will resign when you try to implement the policy that you ran on.
Like you didn't even make sure that the guy, Secretary of Defense, Rob, pretty important job.
Pretty big deal.
You know, you're the commander in chief.
This is the second in line to you in charge of the military.
That's important.
And you didn't even make sure before you hired him that he would be willing to like carry out your policies.
So this is the problem Trump has here is that he's got to find a way.
At least I think, at least this is the problem he has with me.
It's like, you got to find a way, dude, to convince me that you actually figured out what you fucked up.
Because objectively, that swamp ain't drained.
It's swampier than ever.
So what are you going to do this time?
Who are your appointments going to be?
Are you going to commit to abolishing these agencies?
And how are you going to get that done?
Because this stuff here, it's nice to hear.
But Trump's rhetoric has been good on a lot of things all along.
And so much of it, there was just no follow-through on.
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So, you know, what do you actually, you know, like, what, what can I actually believe we're going to get out of a Donald Trump?
Because if we get just what we got last time, that's just not enough.
That's just not enough.
It was basically like, if you're going to tell me like, okay, Donald Trump will come in there and like, you know, it'll be better than Biden.
There'll be some deregulation in energy and maybe we'll get like some tax cuts.
He's not going to start any new wars, but he won't end any of the wars.
You know, like if it's just that again, what we had last time, it's like, okay, but then the price is that the corporate press and the left are driven to absolute hysteria.
There's riots in the streets.
There's all this type of all these problems.
And then you still have like the entire intelligence apparatus still weaponized against you.
And still, you know what I mean?
Like it's just not enough.
Look where we are now.
We're now two years after Donald Trump's four years.
That's how you judge whether it was successful or not.
Like the country's still collapsing.
It doesn't seem like it did anything to slow that down and perhaps even accelerated it.
And maybe at best slowed it down, but didn't slow it down nearly enough.
So that's, I don't know.
That's more or less my reaction to this video.
DeSantis Shit Campaign Rage00:06:35
Any thoughts, Rob?
Well, no, you said it.
I thought it was rich for him to, you know, be saying, hey, we're going to resist the mandates.
And it's like, you were the one that did the mandates.
That wasn't, that didn't work out too good.
He's gotten a little bit slicker, though, because on the second half of that, I was like, oh, man, he's going for it still on conspiracies with the election saying that, hey, they're going to redo COVID so that they can steal the election from me again.
And I was like, this is dangerous because he's talking, we got to resist.
It's like, wait, are you saying that we got to oppose our own government?
What are you saying?
You're Trump.
But then he comes in at the end and he clarifies that once I'm back, I'll just defund these people.
He's learned his lesson a little bit.
He's gotten a little better at this.
Yeah.
It was still vague what exactly he was saying.
Like, and, you know, like I, what I called for on Rogan's show was I was like, look, like, we've kind of seen these examples with Bud Light and Target, how they, you know what I mean?
Like we can really make companies like hurt if people are outraged enough.
And I was like, that was a good thing to do it over, you know?
But this one I think is even more important than that.
Maybe not more important than the Target, more important than the Bud Light thing.
And don't get me wrong, I completely support people boycotting Bud Light.
First off, tastes like warm piss.
But aside from that, it's it's, yo, I get it.
Like you don't want to have some trannies like shoved down your throat.
Like, okay, fine.
You know, like, it's like, why do I have to, this isn't what I like.
Why do I have to drink a beer with this, like, this, this, uh, like a symbol of this ideology that I find disgusting that is completely imposed on me.
So I'm with you guys.
But bringing back like this stuff, I mean, I think like any business who tries to bring back any type of mandate needs to get the Bud Light treatment times 10.
Just like that's got to be, it's one of the few weapons we have.
That's just got to be like, yo, you don't give them your business.
That's it.
No, I'm not putting on a mask to go in your dumb store.
Absolutely not.
I'm not shopping anywhere that they do that.
So that's one thing people can do to resist.
Obviously, like waking up as many people as possible.
You know, like my hope is that they're not able to bring back lockdowns or mandates or anything like that because of the work that not just saying us.
I mean, I think we play a role in this, but like so many people, like what we've done over the last three years, and we're not alone in this, there's a lot of people out there who have been, you know, like really spreading the message about how demonstrably awful all of the COVID responses were, that at least we've moved the needle enough that they just can't sell this propaganda to people.
That's kind of my hope.
Donald Trump, again, even coming in there and talking about like defunding.
I just want to hear like the real plan of how you, how you roll back the CIA, how you roll back the FBI.
These are clearly, it's like the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the Pentagon.
These are the power sources that were weaponized against you.
So what's the plan now?
You know, you couldn't beat them last time.
So what are you, how are we going to beat them this time?
Like, that's the thing I'd want to hear, something.
Just like, I'll defund universities if they have mask mandates.
Like, okay, I'm all for it.
You know, find any excuse you can to defund a university and I'm behind you.
It's just there's something about it that's not quite hitting home.
And Donald Trump is caught in this weird spot where he's still brags about how the vaccine saved millions of lives, still wants to stand by his track record, wants to bash DeSantis on Florida being a disaster during COVID, which is just not true.
It's just not true.
You know what he's doing?
Have you seen him, him going at DeSantis this way?
I was just talking about this with Tom Woods.
So he says that they had the third worst outcome.
And it's just old people.
Yeah.
The way you get to that number is if you don't control for age, which when you think about what COVID deaths look like and what we all know, what we all know about, like, who dies from COVID?
It's, it's like...
Old and fats.
Yeah.
You can't even.
It's not good looking sweets.
Yeah, evidently.
But you can't even say it's like disproportionately old people.
It's like wildly disproportionately old people.
Like they are the entire driver of that number.
And so if you don't control for age, the only information you're getting is that there's more old people in Florida.
You're not getting any information about how their COVID policy happened.
I was talking to Tom Woods and I compared it to the wage gap like argument when people make the argument and you go, they're like, you know, women make 77 cents to the dollar of what men make.
And you go, to get that number, you're not even controlling for hours.
They don't even control for hours worked.
They just go, how much did you make?
And compare that to, it's like, yeah, if someone works 10 hours a week and someone else works 50 hours a week, one of them is going to get more money.
That's not giving you any information about sexism.
That's just letting you know that someone did more work.
And forget just hours worked.
It's the actual what you did while you're at work.
Like were you doing your makeup and just complaining about the other coworkers?
It sounds, yeah, turns out when you, when you look at that, you go, that pays really good, actually.
You still get like 75% of what you would otherwise get.
But, you know, but the point with, so with COVID, just controlling for age, nothing, just controlling for age.
And now they're not the third worst.
They follow like 30 something.
They're like basically right in, you know what I mean?
Like they're, they're more on the good side than the bad side of how states fared.
And then you realize that it's like, obviously, like with a policy such as lockdowns that just destroy people's lives and livelihoods and their families and destroy the economy and, you know, lead to all types of horrific mental health outcomes and all of this.
The onus is that it, that you have a much better result in terms of COVID deaths, right?
It's not like locking down would be justified if you go, oh, we had about the same outcome.
Then you're like, oh my God, then it's completely unjustified to lock down.
If it's like 2% better, it's still completely unjustified to lock down.
In order to do something as serious, as draconian as a lockdown, it would have to be like, listen, this would have been enormously worse in terms of COVID deaths if we didn't do this.
And that's just not the case.
And Florida proved that.
And it was so important.
South Dakota Legal Charges00:04:34
You know, say whatever you will about this shit campaign DeSantis is running.
It was so important to have that one example.
You know, South Dakota just is South Dakota.
It didn't really count kind of in most people's eyes.
No offense to South Dakota.
I like you guys.
But it's just, it's a very low dense, very low population density state.
It's just not, it's not Florida.
And Florida doing it and him reversing course on his initial lockdowns and then vowing to never do it again.
That made a huge difference.
That like that it's enormous what that meant.
So Trump knocking him on that is just so goddamn stupid.
I think you make a very good point, though, and it speaks to Trump's grifting, you know, that his big push at this point is, hey, they're coming for me, which is them coming for you.
And he does a very good job of appealing to people that them putting me in jail is them removing your freedom because you can't vote for me.
And they won't allow for outsiders and they won't allow for people that want to represent you.
And it's a very good pitch.
But you're right that he needs to explain like, well, what are you going to do to take care of this?
How are we getting rid of the deep state?
The deep state worked against us by working against you.
So what are you actually going to do about it?
And my guess is he doesn't want to actually inflame the system.
And so he's hoping to win so that he can free himself on all these charges.
Maybe he'll go back to work on the wall.
Maybe he'll actually end the Ukraine war.
My guess is he will stand in the way of the worst of you and I having to pay for carbon credits in order to do things that we always wanted to do.
He'll push back on wool culture.
He'll spend more money than any other president spent.
He's not going to be good on that.
Might even lower inflation rates and cause more troubles for us on the current interest rates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
But I do think that any Republican will probably be a good placeholder against essentially backed digital currencies and paying for carbon and a growth and whatever this ESG and global warming stupidity is.
However, I don't think he has any plan whatsoever once he gets in to actually disrupt establishment Washington.
And I think he so won't do that.
He doesn't even want to claim it on the campaign trail because he doesn't want to actually push the buttons with the establishment any more than he already has.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think your assessment there is probably right.
I think, look, I think the problem with Donald Trump, and, you know, in a lot of ways, it's like, look, this is what brought him to the dance.
If he didn't have this, he never would have won to begin with, but it's also his fatal flaw.
There's something very poetic about it.
But it's the fact that he is so driven by his own ego and so driven by his own greatness That I really do think that the number one thing, you know, it's like, look, dude, the guy, Obama mocked the guy and had a room full of people laughing at him.
And he goes, I'm going to take your job.
Like that, that's what drove it, you know, like that really motivated him.
And like, okay, if he didn't have that, he wouldn't have been able to have the thing he has that allowed him to tear through the Republican Party like a hot knife through butter and then fuck up Hillary Clinton at those debates and all the stuff that he did to become president.
But the problem is like, I just, I really think that what motivates Donald Trump is beating the people who wronged him, being a two-term president, saying, ha ha, if he wins this election, he goes, I'm actually a three-term president because I won all of them.
And then, you know what I mean, like kind of his own legacy type stuff.
I think that's kind of what is really motivating him.
I like how he switched up his haircut to looking like Mo.
It's got like a new flat parted top thing going on there.
Kind of like that.
Yeah, it's evolving.
You know, there's also something interesting that you talked about that you mentioned that he's still going for it.
Like they stole the election from me in 2020.
And there's something I was thinking about the other day that I find that it's a weird kind of perhaps an unintended consequence of all these BS charges that they're throwing at him, which is almost that like if you actually look at the charge in Georgia, it's predicated on the idea that he knew that he lost the election and was still claiming he won it.
And so in some sense now, for legal reasons, they've boxed him in to that position.
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Like he can't, he can't acknowledge that he believes he lost the election now, or that would really put him in legal jeopardy.
And so, by the way, I'm for the record, I think Trump believes it.
I genuinely do think Trump believes what he's saying.
I think like I don't know.
You never know what's in another man's heart, but I think he'd pass a lie detector.
I think he believes that they cheated and that Joe Biden didn't really beat him in that election.
But now he's kind of got to go all in on that.
There's no backing out now because that's like your freedom's on the line.
Just an interesting kind of aspect to all of this.
I bet when he has sex with Milani, he just goes, I won, I won, I won.
She goes, you won, you won.
There's no giving him.
Yeah, that is true.
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So switching gears kind of, although somewhat on the same subject, Tucker Carlson went on Adam Carolla's podcast the other day.
It was phenomenal.
One of the best podcasts I've ever listened to.
Just so interesting.
And I highly recommend everybody go check that out.
Full disclosure, I'm a big fan of both of those guys, and they've both been nothing but very nice to me.
But it was really, I just loved it.
Just one of the best podcasts.
There were a whole bunch of really interesting things that he said on there.
This was one clip that is going super duper viral.
I wanted to play that and discuss.
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The CIA is a totally illegitimate criminal organization unless it is following precisely the orders of the elected president, Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter.
So he's describing a crime.
The people committing that crime in CIA should be imprisoned for long term.
I'm sorry, I should have set this up.
This was Adam Carolla played the Chuck Schumer clip.
The intelligence agencies have six ways to Sunday.
So that's what he's referring to, where he says he's describing a crime.
That's the great threat to democracy right there.
And the fact that no one on that set could even see that tells you how deeply corrupted they are.
That's terrifying.
And it's true, I happen to know.
And I could bore you for hours again, since I spent my life there and know a lot of people who work there.
But the bottom line is there's no oversight at all.
They were able to participate in the murder of a U.S. president and then hide that fact for 60 years by keeping those documents classified, which they still are.
It's unbelievable.
And it's happening in front of all of us and nobody seems to care.
But, you know, as the country declines and the democratic institutions weaken and you wonder, how did this happen?
Well, that's how it happened right there.
What do you think the future holds?
Is it?
I don't know.
I mean, are they going to let Trump be president?
Of course.
I mean, look, if, you know, they protested him.
They called him names.
He won anyway.
They impeached him twice on ridiculous pretenses.
They fabricated a lot about what happened on January 6th in order to impeach him again.
It didn't work.
He came back.
Then they indicted him.
It didn't work.
He became more popular.
Then they indicted him three more times.
And every single time his popularity rose.
So if you begin with criticism, then you go to protest, then you go to impeachment.
Now you go to indictment and none of them work.
What's next?
I mean, graph it out, man.
We're speeding toward assassination, obviously.
And no one will say that, but I don't know how you can reach that conclusion.
You know what I mean?
Like they have decided permanent Washington, both parties have decided that there's something about Trump that's so threatening to them, they just can't have him.
I mean, they're putting him on trial in March of next year in the J6 case, which basically consists of trying to send him to prison for the rest of his life for complaining about the last election.
That's literally what it is.
Again, if this were happening in Moldova, the State Department would issue an all-hands-on-deck order to let the world know this is not a legitimate government.
And yet our government is doing it.
It's like it's really, it's hard to overstate how bad this is.
And I'm not, I don't, I don't know where it's going, but there's a collision that's clearly imminent.
And by the way, the president is senile in a way that's impossible to deny.
Biden's not running the government, you know?
So like, I don't know, man, I've never been this worried about anything as I am about where this is going.
Man, I just love Tucker.
Like, you felt like when he was on Fox News, you were like, yo, this guy just goes for it, you know?
But man, since he's been off Fox News, it does seem like he is just, you're like, oh, he was kind of fighting with one hand behind his back before, but now he is just really free to say what he wants.
A lot of interesting stuff there.
Pretty compelling the way he puts it.
It's kind of hard to argue with anything that he just said, you know, like zoom out and look at this thing.
One of the things I find interesting, and perhaps this is on a selfish note, but it makes me, there's something that I find very gratifying on a very deep level.
And I imagine people who have listened to this show, like if you've listened to this show for years, let's say you're one of our old school fans, nothing against you, new people.
We love you too.
But if you've been listening to me and Rob for the last, whatever, seven, eight years or something like that, it's just kind of, it warms my soul that so many very influential people have kind of come over to where we've been this whole time.
Like this is the type of stuff that we've been talking about forever.
And obviously the Trump assassination stuff, this is some kind of new development and the indictments are new developments.
But I mean just talking about how like, oh, the CIA is completely unaccountable.
And so this is all fake.
None of this is real.
We don't have a democracy.
The people you elected are not the ones who are running this thing we call the federal government.
That's not what it is.
And like that, this is just all kind of like now, now it's being amplified on this, like on these huge, huge platforms.
I mean, this would have been conspiracy quackery when I was talking about this eight years ago.
There's no way like the biggest people in media would have been like, oh, yeah, you're completely on board.
And I'm not saying that happened because of me, certainly.
I'm not saying that happened because of any of us in this kind of radical libertarian space.
I think we've done our part to nudge a lot of people in that direction.
But it is, it's just wild to see how much, how much so like all these people are seeing it.
And there's something about like our kind of libertarian view.
I know Tucker is not a libertarian and we have areas where me and you would disagree with him on, but everything he just said right there is completely consistent with what our worldview, you know?
And like so many of these people, whether it's RFK Jr., Rogan, Tucker, like all of these kind of people who are very influential and have a really big like microphone, when they're saying the thing where they're nailing it, it's always what we've been talking about.
It's always like, yeah, exactly.
This is what's out of control, this corrupt government.
Right.
Yes, this is the problem.
And so it's kind of, it's interesting to see this kind of development happen.
And I think it's something that like people who, you know, liberty lovers should be very happy, should be very happy about.
Now, that aside, maybe getting into some of the details here, I thought it was a great point that Tucker makes that, you know, you, you really go when Chuck Schumer says to Rachel Maddow, well, you know, the CIA doesn't like the way the president-elect is talking and they have a lot of ways to get back at you.
Isn't it crazy that like everyone in the room wasn't like, wait, what?
Like, wait, what did you just say?
So like the most powerful senator in the country just told you democracy is not real.
He just told everybody that on national television.
And even Rachel Maddow, like this, the progressive who had written a book about the military industrial complex and like all this stuff, this didn't send alarm bells off to you.
And a big part of that, in my opinion, and why it didn't send off alarm bells to the entire audience of Rachel Maddow, you know, then in my opinion, I think it's that they got everyone just hated Trump so much that it was almost like they were so blind to what they were even saying.
You know what I mean?
Like from the audience perspective and maybe even from Rachel Maddow's perspective.
But then, you know, there's the powerful people who kind of like know exactly what they're saying.
But I think that's part of why they were able to even just like openly admit this.
And I don't know.
I mean, what can you argue about with Tucker?
Even if you don't believe the CIA had a role in killing Jack Kennedy, it's like, well, they've definitely kept all the documents secret.
I mean, how they justify this?
It's fucking, what was this?
It's 1963.
It's, what is it, 70 years ago?
How do you justify keeping these documents secret to this day?
It's pretty, it's really pretty wild.
Yeah, I've never, I don't even believe Garassi Knolls exist.
Ever seen the Grassy Knoll before?
How do you think it seems to me like the worst option for them is taking out Trump, and that's why they're doing everything in their power for it, hopefully not to go there.
I even think that this lawsuit, if it gets closer, my guess is they would gladly drop it if he were to drop out of the race type deal.
Like if it actually looks like he's going to lose it.
I think they'd probably prefer not to place him in prison as well.
I guess if all of their efforts fail, which by the way, we're at level one of, hey, you might go to prison and hey, you got to show up for these court cases.
I can only imagine as these court cases get closer to actual election periods, he gets increasingly more and more tied down of being in court.
And then it becomes a question of, do they really lose control of social media and censorship in a way that people get very excited about?
No, you're not going to jail Donald Trump.
And we all decide we're voting for Donald Trump just to say fuck you to the machine that absolutely wants him in jail.
That's what this next election could come down to.
So let's say it goes that route and now Donald Trump is clearly winning the next election because it's such a landslide.
They can't even steal it from him.
They go, all right, I guess we have to kill him, which also would suppose that they have no better blackmail on him that if he were to actually get in, that there wouldn't be a different way to apply leverage, which the last time he got in and didn't do much because they figured out a lot of ways to apply leverage on him.
So let's just go the Tucker Carlson route.
They got no other options and they just got to take this guy out.
How do you think they do it?
Well, I don't know.
You know, I find it hard to believe that they would go down the Jack Kennedy path because it's just, I don't know.
It's just hard.
It's hard to imagine that in today's world.
I mean, look, it happened once before.
I suppose it could happen again.
I also, I agree with you that they would have to be concerned about what the blowback from that would be.
And this isn't like, it's not 1963 anymore.
And, you know, all the stuff that people think about the 60s, the way people think about the 60s, if you just say, hey, the 1960s, what were they like?
Usually what they're thinking about is like the late 60s.
It's like 1968, 1969.
They're thinking about like, you know, counterculture, protests, hippies, like all this stuff.
That came later.
The early 60s is more like what you think of as the 50s.
That's really what it was.
It was the 1950s in the early 60s, you know?
There was none of that stuff yet.
It was before the Vietnam War and stuff.
You know what I mean?
We may have had some troops in Southeast Asia, but it was like not really the Vietnam War yet.
The, you know, in that environment where everybody just listens to what Walter Cronkite has to say and everybody is kind of, you know, a patriot to some degree.
I mean, there may be differences of opinion, but everyone's kind of this pro-America, anti-communist, you know, like thing.
And people have pictures of, you know, Roosevelt above their dining room table.
And there's, you know, this is different.
This is today where we're pitted against each other, where there's social media, where we're an incredibly cynical people, very like ironic people.
You know what I'm saying?
Like just things like the idea of like, think about like a movie that you'd go watch today.
And if you just showed that to somebody in 1960, and they would just be like, what in the world are we doing?
I think Curtis Yarvin's talked about that before.
But like if you like were to show like inception to someone in the 1950s, like they'd like put a gun to their head because they wouldn't know what the hell to even like, what is this?
This is insanity.
It's just a dip to do something like that.
I think the backlash would just be insane.
I think Tucker makes a fair point.
Like I think kind of in the in the macro, what he's saying is kind of true.
Like when he says graph it out, if the starting point was here and assassination is here, it's like, yeah, we're moving in that direction.
I do kind of agree with what you said.
I think if you zoom in a little bit, there's still several steps.
There's still several steps, I think, before that would be a real threat.
I think that obviously the first thing is trying to bog him down just with these court dates.
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Then it's going to be something like some type of get it go to get a conviction and then get some type of deal.
I completely agree with you that I think what they would prefer the most is that there's a deal where there's no jail time in exchange for him not running for president.
You get him out of the way, but you don't make him a martyr.
You know, I think that's the ideal scenario for the powers that big.
After that, they can make attempts to rig the election.
After that, they could just have the election and see if he loses.
You know what I mean?
Like rig it to whatever degree they can and then see if they can just, you know, after that, there's a lot of tech censorship stuff, really go on a crazy spree of that.
They can try to assume some type of emergency powers and really clamp down on fake, you know, misinformation or whatever they call it.
I mean, there's just like, there's a lot of levels they could still go to.
And I'm sure some of those will happen.
But I think he'd almost have to win again despite all of that or in spite of that in order for that card to be.
They just make Tanner's illegal and he kills himself.
It is always possible.
I wouldn't expect a public assassination type deal.
I would think it would be something like more subtle.
If I was a deep seat, I'd give him COVID and go, this is why we got to clamp back down.
Look, Donald Trump is dead of COVID.
Everyone, back indoors.
Put on your masks.
Honestly, he'll be fine if he has COVID.
Maybe they could give him a booster.
That might take him out.
I mean, there's give him, we loaded him up on boosters.
This guy's got six months most.
So just let him let him keep running this campaign.
And by the way, people die suddenly all the time now.
So they're like, yeah, what are you talking about?
Yeah, his heart stops.
That's what happens to people.
It happens to be a huge difference.
I mean, it happens to 40-year-olds now.
So you're going to be concerned about some 80-year-old pro athletes are dying suddenly.
It happens in the middle of a triathlon.
I'm sure it can happen to Donald Trump.
Yeah, I mean, I guess there's that.
Anyway, it was just very interesting.
What Tucker also said at a different point in this interview was that he does not believe they will bring back they will bring back COVID restrictions.
He says they can't get away with that, but he says that he expects us to be in a real hot war with Russia by the time the election happens, which, you know, seems, I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I mean, it's, you know, like I said before, I would have thought, this is what I thought when Alex Jones first made this prediction that they're bringing back COVID restrictions.
I went, yeah, there's probably, you know, there's no way they're going to be able to do that.
It was somewhat alarming that in the following days, almost everyone in the corporate press started jinning up all of the COVID hysteria again.
And I just kind of like, I know, like I was saying in the last episode with Dave DeCamp, it's like the stuff with China.
It's like, I've just been through this enough times that I hear, I know what the signal is when they're putting it out.
You're like, oh, okay.
It's not a coincidence that everyone in the corporate press is all of a sudden starting to try to get you afraid of this new COVID variant.
It's like, oh, they're, they're.
They're attempting to lay out the first stage of something.
This is how initial propaganda works.
It's the same way I feel about the war propaganda with China.
It's like, okay, you're starting.
You're starting now.
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It's amazing.
We talked about this a little bit on the last episode, but it's amazing how, and something really fascinates me.
I mean, I hate it, but I am, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't very interested in it.
But the way that propaganda works and the way they lay it out to then get their desired policy like through, you know, like if you remember, so Donald Trump in 2016 used a lot of kind of fear-mongering rhetoric against radical Islamic terrorism.
By the way, this is something I was talking about in the last episode.
No one talks about it anymore.
You don't hear it anywhere.
Well, radical Islamic terrorism.
I don't know if you're not going to get as many people across while it's open.
But this is exactly right, Robin.
We're working with the moderates now, Dave.
I don't know if you know that.
The moderate Islamic.
Well, so look, what George W. Bush and all of the neocons, all of them were complete, they were the biggest cheerleaders of this rhetoric.
Radical Islamic terrorism, right?
This was their whole thing.
It was their critique of Obama that he wouldn't say it enough.
And they were all for using this propaganda.
And it disappeared.
And the reason it disappeared is because, look, they were using the propaganda to sell the wars that they wanted.
So this rhetoric was fine.
There was no problem with this rhetoric in 2004.
And yet when Donald Trump used the same rhetoric, all of the neocons, all of the establishment Republicans said this is racist.
It's horrific.
It can't be done.
Right.
Now, why?
Why was it they had a problem?
Because Donald Trump was using this rhetoric in order to close the border.
He wasn't using it to sell a war.
He was using it to say we have to have a ban of Muslims coming into the country.
That's what he was trying to do with it, right?
So that when the when the propaganda was used to serve that end, they were, they completely bailed on it because they're like, no, no, no, that's not the policy we're trying to get through.
We want to like fight wars all over the world and have an open border here.
That's the neocon position.
Not that we should not fight wars and close our border.
That's not at all what we want to do.
So all of a sudden, that propaganda got demonized and now it's out.
And now it's just not a thing anymore.
It's not a thing in the corporate press.
They never bring up radical Islamic terrorism.
Like, my God, we just spent 20 years on the biggest like war campaign ever against this thing.
And yeah, it's gone.
And what are they even going to say?
Oh, we won.
It's because the wars were such a success that they're not there anymore.
There's more radical Islamic terrorism than there ever was before 9-11.
There's far more.
So we went from being like a few hundred al-Qaeda members to being like there's tens of thousands of them all over the place.
They're in places where they never were before.
You know, they've been, you know.
I mean, they have been somewhat defeated in certain areas.
Certainly ISIS is not what it used to be a few years ago, but it's not as if there's no more.
It's just like, that's not, that's not helping to sell a policy anymore.
Talking about radical Islamic terrorism doesn't help us lead people into a war with Russia, right?
So that's not what we're talking about anymore.
Now we're talking about how Vladimir Putin is an imperialist, blah, blah, blah, a thing that used to never exist.
That was never a talking point.
And they were talking about radical Islamic terrorism.
No one was saying Putin is an imperialist.
Find me one clip.
Find me one clip in 2011, you know, or before.
Really, I'd say 2014 or before when any person of note was claiming Vladimir Putin was an imperialist or he was some type of threat or he was just didn't exist.
And so anyway, it's just, it's interesting how this stuff, how this stuff works.
They roll out this propaganda and then the policy comes behind it.
And so I see them rolling something out here.
Who knows if it'll work?
If it doesn't work, then the policy doesn't come behind it.
But, you know, and the idea that Tucker said, the war with Russia, I mean, you know, they've certainly been rolling out that propaganda for quite a long time.
And if he wants to do that, like, map it out, your graph it out type deal, it's like, yeah, I mean, we've, we've rolled out the propaganda since 2016, really.
They stole the election, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
We're now in a proxy war on their border.
Yeah, it does seem like we're certainly trending in that direction.
Well, it seems like we just keep pushing, pushing, pushing and escalating on the Russia front.
And it seems to also be escalating over to Saudi Arabia and others willing to price assets and other currencies.
And who the hell knows what this shakeup is of dictators in Africa?
So I don't think this went the way that we were hoping at the front or the start of it.
But I also don't really understand, well, the whole thing's a game.
I don't understand how we play this game right now where we are able to send our weapons to support someone and go, but we're not fighting you.
These other people that we're handing all the supplies to, they're fighting you.
We're staying at it.
And then we've clearly blew up a pipeline, you know, like we clearly did that.
So I don't know how we've managed to play all these games without being in a hot war so far.
The same way I don't understand how we end up in a hot war, but everyone decides to play the game.
Hey, we'll still let the young, we'll still let the young men die, but no sending the nukes at each other.
I just don't, the whole game of, you know, these people might as well just sit down and play chess or play Call of Duty and come to a conclusion.
It's a weird, the rules of whatever this game are don't make a ton of sense to me.
Yeah, well, it's another thing that Tucker was talking about in the interview I was thinking about a lot.
It's just like the tremendous hubris of our leaders that it's like, yeah, not only like they're, so you, you look at a position where we've completely alienated the world.
I mean, look, the deal that we basically have to describe it in its most rudimentary form, right?
With like the dollar being the world reserve currency, the deal that America's essentially gotten away with now for like almost five decades is like, um, it basically boils down to like, you send us your products, like you send us what you produce and we will send you paper money.
And that's kind of the deal that we have with the rest of the world.
And the idea that you're you're operating in that, in that deal, and then you're you're taking this uh um, this position in Ukraine, where you're funding a proxy war to with the intended stated, intended goal of keeping the war going.
And this is now pushing Russia and China closer together.
Saudi Arabia is is joining with them.
You know lots of other countries like uh are are kind of moving closer to them.
And you're like when, when this whole deal relies on, we send you our paper money and you send us your production and we're pushing everybody to be kind of turned on us and then we attack Germany in the middle of all of this and you're like, what are you not worried about alienating everybody?
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Is that not a concern of your like?
Do you just have so much hubris that you're like, nope, we can do whatever we want to do and this will always work.
And it does seem like that does seem like to be what was always driving neoconservatism and who are still very much influential in the Biden Uh administration, that it was always like, yeah no, we can remake the Middle East into Jeffersonian Republican Democracies.
That's what we're gonna do.
You're like you really think you can do that and you're like you may have a whole lot of bombs, but You can't do that.
You can bomb them.
You can do that, which you did.
But like, no, you actually don't have this power.
Anyway, it was a fascinating interview.
I'd suggest everybody go watch Adam Carolla and Tucker Carlson.