Dave Smith and Rob Bernstein challenge the likelihood of renewed 2024 lockdowns despite Alex Jones' claims, citing Dr. Scott Gottlieb's admission that variant BA 2.86 is more transmissible. They condemn gag orders on Donald Trump as constitutional violations and praise Oliver Anthony's "Richmond North" for exposing welfare perverse incentives. The hosts criticize media tactics demeaning Trump while ignoring Epstein child abuse rings, proposing to dump PPE supplies and rally against Dr. Fauci for alleged vaccine fraud and Wuhan lab collusion. Ultimately, the episode frames current events as evidence of a corrupt establishment exploiting working-class Americans through psychological manipulation and systemic failure. [Automatically generated summary]
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Spreading Widely or Not00:15:26
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What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith, and I'm being joined by Rob Bernstein, who clearly just mounted a buckhead onto a wall somewhere out in the wilderness.
How are you, sir?
Well, it's the home stretch of porch tour.
So I live on a porch for the rest of this to make sure I got the proper porch vibes going.
Very good.
Very good.
Where are you?
I'm in Lake Tahoe right now, and maybe I'll get a sighting of Joe Biden.
He's out here too.
I'm actually doing on-the-ground coverage.
Of Joe Biden, not in Maui.
That's what I'm doing here.
By the way, I should mention as we're recording this, my comedy special premieres today right here on YouTube, if that's where you're watching this.
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I'm excited for all of you guys to see that.
It came out yesterday for people listening, but for us recording, it's coming out later today.
Okay.
Let's jump into it because I'm a little bit pressed for time because I've got a bunch of stuff going on today with the special release.
And there's a few things that are very interesting that me and you just kind of have to break down.
So first thing, two days ago, Alex Jones kind of set the internet on fire, which he remarkably still has the ability to do, even though he's been kicked off like almost every single platform, where he said that he...
He claimed that he had insider information that he had talked to some very high-level people at the TSA, and they had told him that by, I believe it was October, masks were coming back on planes.
And then after that, to be prepared for like 2020 style COVID policies.
Now, initially, I must say I didn't put too much stock in this.
Alex Jones, I know it's kind of popular in dissident circles these days to talk about what Alex Jones got right.
And he objectively got a lot of things right that were fairly impressive.
You know, like he was talking about like, you know, Epstein Island and stuff like that before anybody else was.
Even the stuff about like the frogs turning gay, it turned out there was like some truth to that.
That's why I did it to me too.
Yeah.
I mean, that's listen, it's, it's impossible to say for sure what turned Rob gay, but he wasn't always like this.
You know, he wasn't always like this and he is now.
So something happened.
I blame the government.
I'm sure they had their hand in it.
Some combination of government and big business.
But anyway, the thing is that if you've followed Alex Jones a little bit more closely over the years, you also know that he's gotten a ton wrong.
He's Alex Jones' method is kind of throwing things against the wall and some of them stick.
And I'm not taking away credit, like it's remarkable some of the things that stick, but there's just a ton that he's predicted that just never comes true.
And then everyone just kind of moves on from it.
So I didn't put too much stock in this prediction.
My thinking has kind of been like, there's just no way.
There's no way they're going to try to go back to 2020 stuff, especially with a full year still to go till a presidential election.
The American people are so over this.
They're so much more aware of it than they were when COVID first came out.
This would be, it would destroy the economy.
No president wants to do that, you know, going into a reelection year.
I didn't put much stock in it.
However, since then, this has only been a couple days, there does seem to be a lot of reporting about fear of COVID again, what we might have to do coming up in the future.
And it's hard to look at it and not go, ooh, you know, just after the last three years, I mean, what can you put past these people that they maybe would, maybe they would do it again?
I don't know.
How are you feeling about this?
I think they'd love to do it again.
I just, I can't foresee that they could possibly get away with it.
I just don't think people are going to go for it.
It seems a little too far out from the election that they want everyone at home again to maybe try and pull some stunts.
Also, unless they really messed up with the vaccine, that there are some odd changes to the actual virus, like in mutated in weird ways, or the vaccine has actually lowered immunity.
I can't imagine we're going to be in a situation where it's so dangerous that we have to actually shut down.
And I think people will see through it.
Yeah, that's my hope too.
I mean, look, my hope is that people like us have done a good enough job.
And not just us.
I mean, there's lots of other people like us, but people like us have done a good enough job in kind of waking as many people up as possible to how insane and how unnecessary and evil all of the tyrannical restrictions in 2020, 2021, even to 2022 were that they're just like, I feel like they've just been so exposed to such a huge percentage.
Like there is an enormous percentage of the population.
I don't know, none of us know exactly what it is who bought into the bullshit and now completely see through it.
And I think it's going to be very tough to fool those people again.
I know, I think I certainly speak for myself.
I know I speak for a lot of people listening to this show when we just say like, we're not doing it again.
We're not doing that.
That's not happening.
We're not getting this bullshit jab.
We're not locking down.
We're not altering our lives at all.
We're going to continue living our lives.
However, that being said, I mean, they can force certain things on us that are out of our control.
They can bring back mask mandates.
They can bring back, you know, like all types of different mandates.
And man, it'll be interesting.
You know, they did this after like propagandizing people to be terrified.
Them trying to do this without being able to effectively propagandize the population would be very interesting to see how that all, how that all shakes out.
Never forget, they need propaganda.
That's why they have propaganda campaigns because they recognize that that's an important element to all of this.
So without that, I don't know how it works.
And they also, they can't propagandize people to it can get back to normal because we all did it.
We went through the whole thing and we got back to normal by just going back to normal.
It had nothing to do with their strategies at all.
It had nothing to do with the lockdowns.
I mean, we couldn't have more certifiably proven that every idea that they had and every authoritarian piece of power that they took to impose upon us, they were just wrong, start to finish.
I don't see it like, I mean, maybe I'm just wrong and I'm too hopeful that people aren't absolutely retarded.
Like maybe I think that they're just a little bit above that.
And I also just think I just don't see them possibly being able to spin it or sell it again.
And that's not to say that they won't try or maybe they're going to make a push to just try and sell the latest boosters for a short chunk of time.
I don't see substantial shutdowns or mask wearing.
I just don't think it will fly.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on that.
All right, let's play.
We've got a clip here from CNN.
And who is, this is a Pfizer representative who is in there.
So go ahead.
No, it's, yeah, it's the current, this guy currently sits on the Pfizer board.
used to be the head of the FDA.
It's pretty incredible that you get to go back and forth between those two offices.
Hell, you can even work at the NIH and be getting payments direct from these people.
So it is pretty incredible, the revolving door that exists in the pharmaceutical industry.
But here he is, and you would think that people would at least even just take issue with being able to go back and forth between those two positions.
But here he is selling the latest booster.
For a look at some health concerns on the horizon as we approach the end of summer, including a rise in COVID cases and questions about updates to vaccines.
We're joined now by former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottley.
He also sits on the board of Pfizer, and it's great to have you here in person.
It really is amazing, just even the way they introduce that.
That sounds corrupt as shit.
But they smile through it like that's what makes him so credentialed.
We have the expert here, the guy who is both the FDA person and the Pfizer person.
She goes, and here we have the head of Central Intelligence Command who also owns Raytheon.
So what's going on?
You know, that's just unbelievable.
All right.
I'm going to start on some news we got Thursday.
The CDC announced a highly mutated strain of COVID has just shown up in Michigan, BA 2.86.
How concerned does the public need to be?
Well, right now, I've talked to a number of virologists who are usually pretty staid, and they're pretty concerned about this.
Right now, it doesn't appear to be spreading widely.
There is seven strains that have been identified and sequenced in five different countries.
So the UK, Denmark, Israel, and now in the U.S.
We don't know whether or not this has been spreading quietly and we just didn't detect it or it's something that's spreading very quickly.
The concern is that when you look at these different strains that have been identified, they're genetically very similar.
So that suggests that it's probably spreading simultaneously in multiple countries.
Whether or not this is going to be more transmissible than what we've seen before, that's the key question.
Certainly at this point, it doesn't appear more pathogenic.
So it doesn't appear to be more dangerous, but it may be more transmissible than the strains you're doing.
Yeah, let's pause it and break this down a little bit because it's, yes, go ahead, Rob.
This is a dream.
So you got something that's less deadly and more transmissible.
That means all these people that never had natural immunity, perhaps some of these boosters have actually worn off.
They'll get this other thing, which is an even lesser degree of a cold, and then they'll have some degree of natural immunity.
Sounds to me like we've got a good situation here.
Yeah.
So here's the correct answer.
Her question was, how worried should people be about this?
And the correct answer is not at all.
There's no reason to be worried at all.
Even by what this guy is saying, there's no reason to be worried.
Okay.
All indications suggest that these new variants are no more deadly and possibly more contagious.
So it looks like the trend of less deadly and more contagious is continuing, which by the way, is the positive trend.
That's what we're hoping for this whole time.
And luckily, fortunately, some of the kind of beauty of the way life all works is that it's also beneficial for viruses to evolve this way.
The more contagious they are and the less deadly, then they have more hosts.
They can spread and they don't end up killing their hosts before they can spread on.
Also works out better for us.
But the fact is that you're talking about strands now that are less deadly than the Omicron strain was.
What you're talking about, in terms of like, should people be worried?
It's kind of like the same thing COVID always was, just to a much lesser degree.
Yeah, if you're old and sick, very sick, and have never had COVID, maybe you should be a little concerned about this.
For everyone else, if you're not sick and you've had COVID, you have nothing to worry about.
That's the correct answer here.
All right.
And look, nobody's pretending.
The other thing here that's kind of baked in is that it's such an admission of failure of the vaccine regime.
Like none of them want to say this, but like we got very high vaccine rates with the initial vaccines across the world.
And it's done nothing to do what they all claimed, that this would be the ticket to the end of the pandemic, that this would mean that like the pandemic was over and we wouldn't have to worry about this stuff anymore.
They also claimed that it would stop the mutations from coming, which was ridiculous and completely against every scientific understanding of how viruses evolve.
But they're the ones who claimed.
And now they're coming back going, look, none of them are even pretending.
Even if you look at if you look at the CDC or the World Health Organization or any of the leading experts, none of them are claiming the vaccines do anything for you right now.
If you got double vaccinated, let's say in 2021, maybe you got a booster in 2022, there is no one who's going to argue that you have protection from that today against these new strains.
They're going to debate over whether you should take another vaccine, sure, but none of them are arguing that you have any protection from that.
The only protection you really have for this is if you got COVID, which in some ironic sense, luckily, almost all of us have.
Almost all of us have gotten it at this point.
And so what is the like when the first question is, how worried should you be?
I mean, look, the death rate from the original variant of COVID was like around 1%, maybe a little under 1% or something like that.
Now, that's the general death rate.
So that includes the people who drive the death rate, which are overwhelmingly people who are very, very sick.
I forget.
And the ones that Cuomo put into old age homes.
Yes, right.
Those people who died.
And the ones that they put on the whatever those things were that they needed to get a million of them to New York.
I forget the exact numbers, the ventilators.
I forget the exact numbers.
Someone can go double check me on this, but it was something like 50% of the people who died from COVID had four comorbidities and something like 95% of them had at least one comorbidity.
So the death number, that death rate has always been largely driven by very sick people.
Okay.
And by the way, it's not so much correlated to age as it is to illness.
It's just that older people happen to be more likely to have underlying severe illnesses.
But so that 1% number was driven by 95% of the deaths being people with comorbidities.
So that 1% number right there was not 1% for us.
It wasn't 1% for young, healthy people.
And when I say young, healthy people, I mean 65 and under.
You know what I mean?
Without a major underlying illness.
So when you're talking about that, back then, the death rate wasn't 1% for that group.
It was a fraction of that.
It might have been 0.001% or something like that.
Now, add in the fact that all of these strains are less and less deadly.
So instead of 0.001%, you're looking at 0.00001%.
Now, add in the fact that you've had COVID.
Now, add in the fact that you've had COVID multiple times.
The death rate that you're looking at here, and I'm not suggesting anyone has the exact number, but you're looking at a tiny, tiny, tiny risk of death, like statistically non-existent.
So the answer to the question of how worried you should be about this, the answer is not at all.
Not at all worried.
That's what all of the scientific evidence points toward right now.
Unless those earlier shots messed up and they just haven't told us it.
Yeah, right.
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No, you're going to ride it out at this point.
Absolutely.
You're just going to be skeleton right there.
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Let's keep playing some more.
Now, and in that case, it could overtake them.
It's too early to know.
The testing's underway.
I think we're going to know a lot more in a week or two.
But to, again, put this in perspective, this new variant is as genetically different from Omicron as Omicron was from the original strain that emerged in Wuhan.
So this is a highly mutated variant.
And that set off some alarm bells at that time.
So we will watch this.
But for people at home who say, oh my gosh, I've heard someone has COVID, the strain that's causing most infections is not this one.
Right.
So right now, the two strains that are circulating, causing most of the infections is what's called EG5.
People have probably heard about that.
It's called the ERIS strain.
And this other strain, FL151.
They both have a very similar mutation in them called the 456 mutation that allows them to pierce the immunity that we've acquired from prior infections and also from prior vaccinations.
So people are getting infected with that.
The good news is, is that where we are right now, relative to where we were last summer when BA5 was spreading is a lot better.
So there's far fewer infections.
We have probably roughly about 600,000 infections a day happening based on the modeling work that's been done looking at wastewater data.
And there's about 10,000.
Let's just pause it for a second.
So just to be clear to break through what he's actually admitting here is that things are much better than they were last year when there was nothing to worry about.
Things are much better than they were last summer when the pandemic was over and we all knew it.
And no one except crazy people are still living like this is a real thing.
And he's quoting these models, which have been wrong at every single turn throughout this.
But this is what they always do, right?
This is they find this way to go when instead of ever taking the blame on the vaccine, they blame the vaccine and natural immunity.
They go, oh, this has found ways to pierce through the vaccine and natural immunity, right?
So like both of those weren't as good protection.
But you never go, okay, but which one is it piercing through more?
Which one made you more protected?
Because that's a conversation they never seem to want to have.
So all of those people, oh yeah, because once you admit that natural immunity is way stronger than the vaccine and way longer lasting, and when you say pierces through, what does that mean?
Does that, that means, oh, you can still get sick, but the overwhelming odds are you won't be as sick and you won't have a very negative outcome if you have natural immunity.
Because then if they ever admitted that, that the natural immunity is way stronger, they'd have to kind of admit that all of us people who had natural immunity forever who were arguing against the vaccine mandates, we were all 100% right.
So they don't want to admit that.
So they always just say, well, it pierces through both natural immunity and the vaccine.
And then the other part of this, and this is kind of old news that we talked about, but this never made sense.
And they still won't, they still like to go, well, it worked for the original virus.
Yeah, but we always knew that virus is mutated.
And that's why this never made sense.
And you guys are always running on a treadmill behind the current variant, knowing that whatever you're giving people, the virus is going to mutate and it's not going to work for that because it's not actually robust immunity.
So even him talking about, oh, because this is what they're doing.
They're trying to go, oh, look at how much this thing has mutated.
So the old vaccines didn't work, but don't worry, we got the new ones.
You got to go get the new ones.
I mean, that's what that's what they're leading up to.
Yes.
And then, and then they always rely on what is the essence of anti-scientific arguments, which are unfalsifiable claims.
So they always rely on this kind of like, oh, you got the vaccine.
And we're, so we go, take this vaccine and that way you won't get COVID.
So then you take the vaccine and then you get COVID and you're sick.
And they go, well, you would have been sicker if you hadn't had the vaccine.
And you're like, yeah, but that's unfalsifiable.
That's the most anti-scientific claim you could imagine.
How do you know that?
You don't know the counterfactual of that.
And then they'll make these arguments like, you know, if you go, oh, well, look at the like increased risk for, say, myocarditis of people who took the vaccine.
And they'll go, yeah, but there's also an increased risk of people who get COVID.
And the built-in assumption there or the presumption built in there is that you won't get COVID if you take the vaccine because otherwise that count that that rejoinder makes no sense.
It's like, okay, so I'm increasing my risk by taking the vaccine and I'll still get COVID and take the increased risk of that.
So like it doesn't mean it.
So they're almost relying on this already debunked argument that you can't get COVID if you have the vaccine.
But that's just, that's not true.
We all know that's not true because everyone we fucking know got the vaccine and got COVID, except us and the smart people like us who didn't get the vaccine and got COVID.
You know, it's the same exact thing.
All right.
Anyway, let's keep playing.
People that have been hospitalizing last week.
And to compare that to last year, last year at this point, we had 40,000 people hospitalized and we were running probably about 1.2 million infections a day.
Well, for those strains, there is a booster shot that I know Pfizer has talked about coming up.
A call to action that's still not available.
When do we expect it?
And does it protect against these variants?
Right.
So the data looks like the new booster, which is based on BA 1.15, which was the strain that emerged last spring, looks like it will protect against these new variants.
Now, my guess is these new variants, this infection rate from this wave of infection from EG5 is going to be coming down by the time the new vaccine is available, which is going to be mid-September.
So September 12th has been the date that they've talked about, but it's going to be some point in mid-September that these will be widely accessible in pharmacies and other health departments.
And so people can go out and get it.
There's studies underway right now, what's called neutralization studies, basically laboratory studies to look at whether the new vaccine also covers this BA286 variant that you talked about at the top of the show.
And we'll have that data by the time the new vaccines become available.
So by the time these are out in September, consumers will know how well it covers that new variant.
Okay, so let's pause it here because there's a really funny admission in there of what when he says it looks like it's going to, it looks like it's going to protect against this variant.
However, even he has to admit, by the time these are available, I think that variant is going to be pretty much gone.
And we're going to be dealing with the next.
And look, him saying it looks like it will protect against this.
I mean, what does that even mean?
When they say protection, I mean, they're not hanging on to the old line of you can't get it and you can't get sick and die from it if you get it.
No one, even a vaccine salesman like this gentleman is not going to say that at this point because that's been thoroughly disproven.
But I mean, look, I'm no scientist.
He said that this new strand is as genetically different from Omicron as Omicron was from the initial virus.
The vaccine has not protected against subsequent variants throughout any stage of COVID.
Why would we be expected?
Why are you supposed to just basically we're telling you just experiment on yourself some more?
Looks good.
Guy who works at Pfizer here is saying, looks good.
Experiment on yourself a little bit more.
Maybe this time it'll work.
Maybe.
We'll see.
What effect does having six mRNA vaccines in the span of two years do to you?
I don't know.
Never really done long-term studies on that before.
We assured you it was safe when we did it at first.
And now we've found out, eh, not so much.
Turns out a lot of people are getting injured by it.
But, you know, give it another shot.
Looks good.
Looks good, says Pfizer-Man.
They're going to have to bring Fauci out of retirement because he was the only one who would sit up there and actually go, it's safe and effective.
You're going to die if you don't get it.
It's getting worse.
Everyone's going to die.
So go get more of these things.
Remember their unbelievable track record.
Fauci going door to door and telling people who were skeptical that if you get it and you get sick, you won't even know you're sick.
You barely even feel it.
And this is after he had said you won't get it.
So now then he came back to, how many people do you know who got COVID after being vaccinated and got sick, got pretty sick?
I know a ton.
I just, you know, and this is all, and they've completely dropped that talking points.
Just don't.
And they were sick when they got the shot.
So they got double sick.
Yeah.
No, I know.
No, look, I know, I know like liberals and progressives who have like even come to this realization.
Like, this is bullshit.
Cause like the booster made me sick.
And then I got COVID again and I was sick again.
Like it's, and they're just not buying into this ridiculous ridiculous counterfactual that like, well, you would have been hospitalized with Omicron.
It's just, it's also ridiculous.
Again, another one of these things where they just never, they're never straight with you is then he's still out here quoting hospitalization statistics, even though we know the way that they measure those are completely flawed.
And even Fauci had to admit that during the Omicron wave, finally, we had been talking about it for two years before that, but he admitted it last year because it wasn't helping him anymore.
The propaganda of, oh, when they were doing lockdowns and they go, look at these hospitalization numbers, that helped scare people.
When the Delta wave came out and they were trying to get everyone vaccinated, look at these hospitalization numbers.
You better get vaccinated.
That scared people.
But once everyone had been vaccinated, or at least 70, 80% of the adult population had been, and then the hospital numbers were still looking real bad with Omicron.
He even had to come out and go, well, you know, these hospitalization numbers aren't real because all that's telling you is people who were in the hospital and tested positive for COVID.
But that doesn't mean that they were in the hospital because of COVID.
They could have been in the hospital for any reason, and they just happened to also have COVID at the same time.
He's still quoting those same numbers.
Same numbers, completely inaccurate.
Whatever.
The best rule of thumb to me is take those numbers and cut them in half.
And I base that off the big, the VA study, which I believe is still the best study that they had that found about 50% of the people who were hospitalized had no symptoms from COVID or very mild symptoms from COVID.
They were just testing positive.
They weren't there at all for that.
The truth is it's probably a little bit more than that because the VA is overwhelmingly adult and overwhelmingly male.
And that seems to be the demographic that handles COVID a little bit worse than females and definitely much worse than kids.
So you take all that in there.
It's probably less, but at least chop 50% of that off if you want to have like a somewhat decent gauge of what we're actually talking about here.
Maybe we could just tell everyone that the vaccines killed George Floyd and then they'll protest and then they won't make us go back to the COVID stuff.
Oh, that would be something.
Then we'll finally get those vaccines convicted.
All right.
Was there more to this?
Or I think there's just a couple seconds left on this.
I think it, well, if anything, it's good that they're not sending out their best people anymore to try and sell this.
And it doesn't even seem like they got much of a sales pitch to go, hey, it's overwhelmingly dangerous.
You're going to die.
And this is safe and effective.
So it's funny to me to see them try and roll out and, you know, preach these boosters and why you need them.
And there certainly is some chatter of, hey, are the infection numbers back up?
Do we need to go back to masking?
But I think everyone's just over this.
Well, there's the thing, I guess the thing, right?
And I agree with you.
But so there's, there's two ways to look at this.
One, it is a little concerning on the heels of Alex Jones saying this that all of a sudden they do seem to be talking about it again.
Like, oh, maybe they are planning something.
But the silver lining here or the thing to be positive about is what you just said.
As you watch this, you go, oh, is this your sales pitch?
Because I just don't see this working.
I don't see you being able to fool anyone.
I mean, look, there's the small percentage of people who still are bought into the fear.
But other than that, I don't, I don't see who you're going to get, who you're going to get.
Even liberals and progressives at a certain point don't want to live like that.
Don't want to live like that anymore.
And I think even a lot of them are starting to wake up to it.
There's there's a lot of evidence to support that.
You know, RFK, the success of his campaign, the plummeting rates of people boosting.
Like this, it's not being sold the same way it was at the beginning, not even close.
Unless they're going to do a full lockdown prior to the election because they're looking to rig the election, unless that's their plan, there's no way this is going to help.
Going back to lockdowns does not help the incumbent party.
I think that's part of why Trump lost the last election.
And I think if you have candidates like Vivek DeSant, you want to talk about restoring DeSantis's campaign.
It's when all of a sudden people are talking about lockdowns and he gets to go absolutely not.
This is why Florida had a better track record, which I don't know.
Maybe that's actually what they're going for.
Maybe because there's all these highlight clips of Trump saying, we locked it down.
We locked it down so fast.
It was the first to lock it down.
Maybe this is their strategy for trying to get DeSantis in or something, but it definitely doesn't help anyone others.
That's a good point.
I never thought of that, but it's a good point.
If you're in DeSantis' campaign, this is kind of the best thing for you.
Yeah, let them ratchet up the COVID rhetoric again.
Make that issue the center.
But it definitely kills Biden.
I mean, talk about helping RFK or I don't even know who else is trying to run in the Democratic Party, but this would kill them.
Kill DeSantis too.
I mean, Newsom too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's why it doesn't seem likely to me.
You know, stay vigilant and pay attention to this shit and protect yourself as best you can, but I don't, I just don't see it happening.
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Okay, let's switch gears here a little bit and let's talk about the latest with Donald Trump, which really is something.
It is something to behold.
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Donald Trump is, he's, he's going to be arrested.
He will be turning himself in soon here, Rob, right?
Let me pull up the article that we had here.
Former President Donald Trump plans to turn himself in and be processed at the Fulton County Jail on Thursday.
So that's tomorrow for you guys listening to this, following his agreement earlier Monday to a $200,000 bond and other release conditions.
This is really something.
Look, it's a former president of the United States and the frontrunner on the Republican side right now for the nominee is going to jail.
I guess he won't be there for too long, but that is still something.
This is a really, this is a crazy moment in American history that this has never happened before.
And it's something to witness.
Unbelievable what this is going to do to the political climate, how this is going to shake things up.
One of the really interesting things here, and there was a big article about this over at CNN.com, and there was also one on the Washington Post, is that it looks like, and it's not exactly clear, but one of the conditions of this bail is limiting Donald Trump's social media freedoms.
Now, it doesn't exactly say that he can't post at all.
It was kind of saying he can't post in an effort to intimidate or affect the decision in this trial.
However, you know, it is unbelievable.
We've talked about this before with the Roger Stone case years back, where he was ultimately pardoned by Donald Trump, but where they had a gag order.
He was not allowed to talk about his own case.
It's wild how blatantly like anti-liberty and anti-like constitutional rights some of these judges' orders can be.
They're kind of like conditions upon you not being imprisoned.
And so they've kind of got you in a position where you're pretty much going to accept whatever they impose on you.
But it's unbelievable that they can actually like tell you.
Look, I mean, the whole idea of liberty is predicated on the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
You don't have any degree of liberty if you don't have the presumption of innocence.
This is something that's been understood in not just the entire history of the United States of America, but in British common law that predates the United States of America.
You can trace origins of this all the way back to the Magna Carta, if you want to.
Not that it's been perfectly enforced all throughout the last thousand years or whatever.
But look, there's no such thing as liberty if you're presumed guilty, right?
Because then all that has to happen is you're accused of something and you lose your liberty.
Okay.
So, but the idea of people who have not been convicted of anything and are therefore innocent, legally speaking, innocent people, that they now cannot speak and they can't tell you.
And obviously, this has major implications on the presidential campaign if you're going to say that Donald Trump can't speak about these charges that he's facing.
So that's something that seems like a major bombshell.
Yeah, gag orders are despicable because if you're giving out justice, don't you want to publicize it?
If that's what you're doing, I mean, if you're if your business is, hey, we want to prevent other crime and so we're going to prosecute individuals, wouldn't you want to publicize that they were prosecuted and that justice was given out?
The only reason you would want a gag order is because you did something shady to prosecute someone who wasn't guilty.
Otherwise, your entire job, you'd be publicizing that you've done your job well.
And my God, the amount that we had to hear about election interference because some guy who was at a dinner with Vladimir Putin once spent 200 grand on Facebook bots or because Julian Assange dumped DNC emails or something like that.
And we're just supposed to accept that he's working for Vladimir Putin, even though that was never even a talking point for all of the years before with everything WikiLeaks was doing.
But the amount that we have to, but this is, I mean, think about the level of campaign interference this is because the or election interference, because now you have a situation where objectively right now, Biden is the frontrunner for the Democrats and Trump is the frontrunner for the Republicans.
Objectively, the biggest story in the election is that Donald Trump is facing all of these indictments.
And now you create a situation where Joe Biden and the Democrats can talk about this as much as they want to.
And Donald Trump is handcuffed on his ability to defend himself.
Forget the criminality of it, but just the political reality of it.
So now he's not allowed to defend himself.
Now, again, it's not clear from what's being reported yet.
And he hasn't turned himself in and hasn't made this agreement yet.
But it's not clear exactly what the specific limitations are going to be of what he can say or post.
But just to at all, like it's not just the point you were making, which is a very valid point as well, that it's like, hey, if you're really doing justice, why do you need to hide this from people?
But it's also the point of like the political reality of this is now that the guy can't even run his campaign.
This is all it's so crazy.
And I think we're way past the point of no return, where it is obvious.
However you feel about things like the Dominion voting machines or some of the claims that Donald Trump's lawyers made that I think were like pretty out there that they never really backed up.
However you feel about any of those claims of like voter fraud in 2020, we are way past the point of no return here where all Donald Trump supporters, which is not a small chunk of the United States of America, right?
It's somewhere in the ballpark of 60 to 70 plus million people.
All of those people are going to be completely convinced that the process is unfair and they were never given a shot and that the entire system was weaponized against their candidate.
And they are right.
They are correct in that.
There's just really no arguing it.
And at least if you're being even somewhat reasonable about how to interpret the last six years.
And, you know, again, it's not to say, I know I've used this example before where like, if you're like a husband and you're cheating all over your, on your wife, and then one night you're out and she's like, I know you were out cheating on me tonight.
You know, I've caught you six times this month and I know you're out.
And that night you weren't actually cheating on her.
And you're like, no, you're wrong about this.
You know, like she might technically be wrong about that night, but she's right.
She's essentially right and you're wrong.
She's, she knows something's up.
So there's a lot of that with Trump supporters, I think, where they may, they may get a specific wrong, but essentially they're right, just like that wife was right.
That they know this whole thing stinks and you're cheating throughout this whole thing.
That's, I think, basically what's going on here.
And I don't know how you ever, how you ever put this toothpaste back in the tube.
And they're really forcing Trump to play their game now where how often is he going to have to go into court?
And then he's not allowed to talk about court.
Cause that's pretty broad.
Because, you know, liberals in government are a bunch of bitches.
I mean, even January 6th was a violent insurrection as bad as 9-11.
So what will they call intimidation?
Hey, I was treated unfairly today.
Oh, well, when Donald Trump says that it was unfair, people might come and storm the coat.
This is intimidating.
We can't have an ex-president saying that this is unfair.
Well, then how is he not allowed to comment on what doesn't appear to be a fair process?
Yes.
And there's, look, man, and there's, and at the risk of sounding too conspiratorial here, but like, look, man, when you really, if you really study this shit, like study the history of the CIA or something like this, like you can't avoid some of this stuff.
There's also certain psychological tactics that they employ.
And like it used to be an old CIA tactic that when they were interrogating people, they'd have you take your shoes off.
And there's just something about that because like you just kind of feel like a bitch.
Like if you're just sitting there in a room, like in your socks while other men in shoes are talking to you, there's just something about that.
And there's a lot of things that, by the way, I've always been like, I've always felt this way about what they do with the TSA, that there's some degree of that.
There are these kind of unnecessary things that they just have you do, like take your shoes off and walk over here.
And a guy with a badge is going to say, hold your hands up and be still.
And they're just kind of like training you to be a bitch.
And I know people do this sometimes, by the way, and they're not even conscious of it.
Like people do this all the time in like in like debating tactics in like when they're like arguing on social media with their enemies.
I know I would get this a lot.
Did you freeze up on me there, Rob?
No, no, I'm here.
Oh, you're not.
I'm listening.
I'm locked in.
I'm focused.
Just focused.
Okay.
No, but where they would, people would always like demand that I denounce certain people.
You know, like whatever.
I've done podcasts with like Nick Fuentes or something like that.
They'd be like, you have to denounce Nick Fuentes.
Yes.
And I have to be like, and I'd always be like, fuck you.
Like, fuck you.
I'm fucking denouncing anyone.
And also, it's like, it's not necessary.
I mean, I don't know.
I do a fucking podcast three times a week.
I've ranted for like 10,000 hours about what my views on politics are.
Everyone knows my views on every fucking issue.
And you know his views if you listen to him.
You don't need me to tell you.
You know what I've, how I feel about something.
You know how he feels about something.
I don't need to make, but there's something of that where, and sometimes they don't even realize they're doing this, but they know, but so maybe they don't know.
But what they're doing is they're just trying to make you a bitch.
Like I demand you denounce someone and then you go, oh yeah, I totally denounce someone.
But that's not how a leader behaves.
That's not how like anyone you'd want to listen to behaves.
And I'm telling you, there is something about them trying to get Donald Trump in jail, in a, in a, a mug shot, into this, because it takes this guy who like his power is largely drawn from the fact that he's an alpha leader who dominates.
And if you can make him look bad, this is why there's so many progressives, you know, and by the way, people on the right do this too.
But why do you think they always love to post a picture of Donald Trump where his hair looks really bad or post a picture of him where he just, you know, that picture where he's golfing and you see like his pot belly and stuff like that?
They love stuff like that because it's like demeaning.
Song Message About Welfare00:11:52
And they like to do that.
This is, this has always been like a tactic that's used.
Fox News does the same thing too.
Wherever you see a picture of Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden, it's going to be the worst picture of them ever.
Like everybody does this on some level, but there does seem to be this massive, like that seems to be a massive element to this too, is to just get Donald Trump looking weak and scared and all of this.
This is why they're all so that there was all that coverage when he first showed up to the first one, the New York court date.
And they're like, what's he going to be like, Baba?
And he gets out and he's doing like his Trump dance.
You can see they're all disappointed because they're like, it's like important for him to do that to kind of like waltz through this.
Like, I don't care.
I'm completely unaffected by this.
And it's important for them to try their best to rattle him and get as many, like as many images of him looking like a bitch.
Well, it's going to work.
The four court cases in four different states and, you know, no matter what, I don't know how effectively he's going to be able to campaign if they keep pulling him in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
I agree with that.
It'll be interesting.
Interesting to see.
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Okay, let's go to this other clip that I wanted to play, which I just to set up, because we haven't commented on this at all, but I really do find this to be fascinating.
There's this song, Richmond North of Richmond.
I'm sure you've listened to this, Rob.
It's a great tune.
Good message.
I'm all for it.
Look, it's incredible.
It's incredible on a lot of levels.
Oliver Anthony, sorry, I forgot the guy's name for a second.
So this guy, Oliver Anthony, who was nobody, like just came out of nowhere and put this song online.
It's a great song.
And I think the message is incredible.
Like I just fucking love it.
I've been jamming out to it so much.
I've made my wife hate it already.
And she's like, she's like, you're not, she goes, you're not putting in overtime for bullshit pay.
You're telling jokes.
You're getting paid very well.
But there's something about this song.
It's an amazing moment where this thing just caught fire because sometimes things just tug on the soul.
Like they just hit the ether and they speak to the zeitgeist of the moment.
And this thing blew the fuck up.
I think it's like 40 million views on YouTube and like 50 million views on Twitter.
It was the number one song on the billboard charts.
This guy's now humongous, just kind of out of nowhere.
And it's a beautiful thing.
It's something that liberty lovers like ourselves should really pay attention to that like is there's just an amazing opportunity here in the moment that we live in where So many people are connected on a very base, like instinctual gut level, understanding that there's something criminal going on in Washington, D.C., and that the entire system is kind of pitted against ordinary Americans.
And there's something beautiful about that.
Man, we really do live in a time that's so ripe for like a libertarian populist message.
So anyway, it's all equally fascinating is to see people in the establishment trying to grapple with this.
Me and Brian were talking about it before you got on.
Me and our producer, Brian, were talking about it.
And he mentioned that he goes, he goes, yeah, it's like, it's like hearing like grownups talk about hip hop in the 90s or something like that.
You know, like, it's just like they have no idea.
They just can't understand what's going on here.
Anyway, let's play this clip from CNN trying to grapple with Richmond north of Richmond.
I promise this is related to our conversation.
Who knows what the number one song on Billboard's charts yesterday was?
I'm not.
Try that in the small town.
No, no, no.
Something similar.
Richman North of Richmond.
Ahab Anthony.
And it has become this anthem for many parts of the country, some political elements here as well.
How are we supposed to understand how this became the number one song on Billboard?
He doesn't have a contract, doesn't have any big record deal in which he goes after Washington, goes after people on welfare as well.
And Jeffrey Epstein reference.
Here, so let's pause it here for a second.
You can already see what's hilarious to me about this.
Just these people, like these stuffy people in suits.
How are we supposed to process this?
And what exactly do you think this means?
But just like regular people everywhere, it's like, we all know exactly what it means.
And it's so, this is why it's so, it's so popular is because without even articulating it, everyone knows exactly what it means.
Like, what does it mean?
It means we recognize that you guys are all a bunch of criminals and you're screwing us over.
And, you know, when he says that he goes after people on welfare, that's so disingenuous.
Like, that's not actually the, the lyrics are really beautiful.
And he doesn't just go after people on welfare.
What he says is like the exact lyrics are like, we got people on the streets who have nothing to eat while the obese are milking welfare.
That's not just going after people on welfare.
His point is that like, there's these people who have nothing and then these people who are like shoving fucking, you know, like food down their throat are subsidized by the tax dollars.
Like how fucked up is that?
He's not, it's not just that to describe that as just going after people on welfare is not accurate.
That's not accurate.
What he's saying with these lyrics, and he's dead right about this, is that there are, there are these whole like perverse incentives and the people who don't deserve help are getting it.
And these people who do deserve help aren't getting it.
He goes, you know, like the, it's actually a very like compassionate message.
He's not like just go, you know what I mean?
What is it?
The line that goes, if you're five foot three and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not pay for your bag of fudge rounds or something like that.
Like it's like, he's saying that like, yeah, man, like, I don't know.
I don't think we should be supporting the obese getting more obese.
I don't think that's what tax dollars should be focused on.
So they just completely missed the message and misrepresent it.
But anyway, let's play a little bit more of this.
Consume or digest this.
I mean, I think about when I talked to Congressman Byron Donalds earlier this year, he told me that one thing that is true about the Trump moment is that it flows downstream from culture, that Donald Trump is a cultural figure and this kind of movement kind of represents a grievance, a kind of a base that's really kind of agitated, not just on the political front, but seeing a kind of a world that's changed away from them.
I was at the Jason Aldean concert on Sunday in Iowa, partially because he also has a song that's really taken off on this.
Try that in a small town.
We're actually talking to people about it.
So, you know, I think that that was kind of the thought process there is that for a lot of people, their political choices are not just happening from when they're watching the news, but a feeling kind of in mass culture that, you know, that things are moving away from them.
Of course.
And so they were seeing a direct relation to 2020.
Right.
Why should anyone think it would change?
Yeah.
Shall we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I don't think it has.
This has been, this is the base essentially that Trump and the broader MAGA movement as a whole, not just Trump at this point, but, you know, lawmakers too, have targeted.
And these people kind of see themselves in the messaging that the Republican Party has adopted.
And so, you know, it is now in music.
It is now in schools.
It is now in all of these things that this group of voters.
Okay.
That's enough.
We can turn it off.
You kind of get the point, right?
It's their, it's hilarious, their inability to like understand this.
And all they can do is try to drag this back into the box that they feel like they understand.
So like, well, what is it?
I guess it's Trump.
It's Republicans.
It's racial grievances.
I mean, that's what the guy's getting at when he says they feel like things are moving away from them or they feel like they're being left behind or something like that.
It's like the implication there is always like, oh, they feel like now that like people of color have a seat at the table.
They're not as blah, blah, blah, whatever.
But dude, all it is is a song about how the working class people get fucked over.
And that, I mean, it's very clear.
Like the lyrics aren't ambiguous.
It's like your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end.
Just got done doing overtime work for bullshit pay and your dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no end.
This whole goddamn system is screwing me over.
Meanwhile, it's benefiting all of these other people who don't even deserve for it to be benefiting them, right?
And then what's the line that they're talking about?
There's a reference to the Epstein thing.
The line is, I wish politicians looked out for minors and not just miners on an island somewhere.
And it's like, yeah, what's he saying?
Oh, yeah, you guys are all a bunch of criminals.
And by the way, CNN, why aren't you demanding the Epstein client list every day?
Why have you not been talking about this every single day that this list is out there?
Someone has it.
How have we still not gotten this?
You're telling me that there was confirmed a ring of child rapists involving some of the most powerful people in our government and in our private sectors.
And there's no demand to find out who they are and hold them accountable.
Like, what?
Now, what, how do we process this?
How do we digest this phenomenon?
Well, you know, it's Trump and the right-wingers and the Republicans and blah, blah, blah.
It's changing the world.
And this is the message that Donald Trump played into.
How about deal with the grievances?
How are they not legitimate?
Anyway, it is fun.
I like that the message of the song feels very American to me of, hey, I'm working hard.
Why are you stealing from me?
It's not about, hey, why can't I have free shit, which is what CNN is more used to is poor people going, hey, where's my socialism?
Where's the free healthcare?
Where's the free this?
And that's not the complaint of this song.
The complaint of this song is, hey, I'm working hard.
Why is my money working?
What are you guys doing over here?
And why are you looking to control me?
Yeah.
Why is my dollar worth shit?
And I'm getting taxed.
And I'm getting taxed so that some other fat guy can keep getting fat.
Why is that?
Why is it that our politicians are fucking pedophiles who aren't looking out for me?
That's the message of the song.
It's a very explicit message.
It's not like there's like, they're almost treating it like there's some innuendo or something here.
Like, oh man, there's a really deep metaphor here.
What does this mean to you?
Whereas really it's like all of his cards are on the table.
This is the message of the song, and this is what's resonating with people so well.
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Okay, I got to wrap up here.
I got to get ready.
Go ahead.
Just on the COVID topic, I was thinking maybe we could start.
I got two campaign ideas to maybe help us move on from this.
The first is PPE in the ocean.
I bet PPE stuff is like the whatever that shit was that they were calling for like the emergency.
Oh, PPE.
I'm sorry.
I thought you said PP in the ocean.
No, no.
I mean, we can be in the ocean too.
No, no, no, that's going to solve our problems.
We've been doing that for a long time, Rob.
No, maybe I'm confusing the PPE loans with the, what was like all the emergency gear, but let's go buy up all the masks now.
No, no, no, you're right.
Hold on.
The payment protection insurance or whatever.
Whatever.
I'm saying all that stuff.
Remember when there was a short of masks?
Let's just get ahead of it.
I bet the masks are cheap now.
I bet the gloves are cheap now.
I bet like the hand sanitizers.
Let's buy it all right now and just chuck it in the fucking ocean.
Everybody, let's all go on Amazon so that they can't institute it again because they don't have the supplies.
That's one.
Two is, and this one I really mean, I think we should do it, is we should try and organize the Washington, D.C. rally to prosecute Fauci and actually maybe apply some pressure to government that, you know, maybe he's innocent, maybe he did nothing wrong.
But I'd like to see the trial.
I'd like to see the full-fledged investigation of the money that NIH makes with the scientists that are receiving this money and whether or not they colluded and engaged in fraud with Pfizer in terms of putting these vaccines and just lying to us about things such as infection, lying to us about having given money over to the Wuhan lab, the EcoHealth Alliance, the Peter Strzoks.
Let's get the whole fucking story.
I want to see that trial.
And if he's innocent, God bless.
I'll never complain about him again.
But let's actually apply some pressure that we're not cool with this just going away.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
Rob's got some ideas.
I like it.
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