Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect Donald Trump's indictment, arguing it relies on novel theories to criminalize speech rather than addressing treason or incitement. They contend selective enforcement protects past presidents while targeting Trump politically ahead of the 2024 cycle. The hosts then critique Ron DeSantis for his response to anti-Semitic claims in South Florida, labeling him an ethno-nationalist who adopts "woke" identity politics only for Jewish issues. Ultimately, the episode suggests current legal and political maneuvers are driven by electoral strategy rather than genuine justice or moral consistency. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
Of course, I'm Dave Smith.
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What's up, brother?
How you feeling?
I'm doing good, man.
Fun weekend down in Florida, seeing the sights and scenes.
We sure did.
People tell you a lot about Florida during the summer, but no one ever mentions that it's hot.
It was.
Oh, it's Satan's balls.
It's like that type of heat where like when you're in your hotel.
So we were staying in this place in Daytona Beach, and it was a beautiful resort.
And, you know, it's like the windows are like right on the beach, if you can picture like those beach resorts.
So it's like a beautiful, and it's a beautiful beach.
So you'd go to, I'd go to like look at it, and you're sitting there.
I've got my air conditioning on like 65 degrees.
And it's like, this is Florida during the summer.
It's like when you walk over to the window, it starts maybe like six steps away from the window.
You start feeling it.
And by the time you just get to the window, you're outside.
Like the air conditioning cannot deal with right next to the window.
It just like starts hugging you.
It's like a like a fat, sweaty man.
Like you have to give him a piggyback ride.
That's how it feels to be outside.
Yeah.
You're just like, oh, get this greasy fat guy off of me.
You know, I don't anyway.
I don't mind the heat that much, but figure out your fucking traffic.
I don't know if you guys got to just get rid of some of the old people, but it's nothing but vacant land and then people just stopping on highways for no reasons.
And you know, it's like one 92-year-old Jew just is riding the brakes like across Florida.
And it's just, yeah, the traffic situation is tough.
But other than that, beautiful state.
And we had some great shows out there.
Prosecuting the President00:16:01
So thanks for everyone who came out.
Porch store weekend, big weekend.
We've got in Tennessee, outside of Nashville, Peckman, Indiana, doing Birmingham, Alabama for the first time.
Really getting into the center of the country.
There you go.
Well, if you're down in the south, go see Rob.
If you're in the Northeast, the Legion of Skanks theater tour is coming to you this weekend, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and Boston this Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
ComicDavesmith.com for all my dates.
RobbyTheFire.com for all the summer porch tour stuff.
All right.
Look, our schedule got a little bit messed up this weekend.
Me and Rob were supposed to record a podcast on the road and there was no internet in the hotel in Daytona.
And then we hit that Florida traffic on the way up to Tampa.
And so we weren't able to get it.
So let's get into it because we have not commented yet on the Trump indictment.
I keep wanting to say impeachment, but that's old news.
The Trump indictment, of course, this is one of many, but Trump has finally been indicted over his role in the 2020 election and January 6th.
And this is somewhat of the big one that progressives have been waiting for.
There's a lot to unpack here.
So let's start by getting into it.
There's a lot specifically with this indictment and then also just how to think about the overall political picture, how it compares to crimes of presidents and other presidents.
So let's start with the basics.
Rob, what are your thoughts on this indictment and the legality of it and how you think it's going to go?
You want to start, you can start, and then we'll.
We'll jump into it all right.
Well, I think the first thing just to note is, uh, it's being reported that the prosecutor is using a novel legal theory, just like a novel virus.
We're doing a lot of novel things in America these days, but if you're sitting down and you're trying to come up with a novel legal theory to bust somebody, isn't that just proof of the corruption, like that's usually?
It would be a novel defense, because you're going to go to the Supreme Court and you're going to test something that's never done whatever to see if you can find a slice of freedom that you didn't know if you would have.
Or sometimes presidents, they overstep their boundaries and they go, oh, like what happened with Biden with trying to get rid of student loans.
And they said, we don't think this is going to work.
But you know what?
It was really important to Biden.
So he was going to test if he had the authority to do so.
I think it sounds like corruption if a prosecuting team is sitting down and going, well, how can we bust him?
Well, we can try this.
We don't think it will work or no one's ever tried that before, but we might just be able to pull it off.
That almost sounds like you're admitting to the fact that he's not really guilty of something or that you're specifically charging him with something you would never try on someone else.
Well, particularly, and I guess I'll just get into the comparison here.
And I can already hear, I can hear progressives shrieking whataboutism even before I say this.
It's great.
That term, whataboutism is so great because someone can have a compelling argument and you can just erase it with one word.
You don't even have to make a competing point.
But when you look at things in the bigger picture and try to put things into perspective, which is what we used to call it before the term whataboutism was created, you think about all the crimes that presidents have committed, the blatant crimes, and how none of them are ever prosecuted for them.
And even when administrations like the Obama administration, who actually had a decent amount of pressure from the left at the time to prosecute war crimes from the Bush administration when he first came in, and even he essentially acknowledged that crimes were committed, but said now is not the time to look backward.
It's the time to look forward.
So his exact words were, we tortured some folks.
Like, okay, well, that is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
It's a violation of American law.
It's a violation of the Constitution, but we're not going to prosecute because, well, it's just now is the time to move forward.
So there is this long-standing precedent of presidents being above the law.
And people can say that they, you know, which is a very popular thing to say these days, particularly amongst progressives, that the president is not above the law.
And certainly for years, we've been saying the president ought to not be above the law.
But the factual reality is that presidents are above the law, whether you like that or not.
That's been the standard for every presidential administration in America, just about in American history.
So that's the standard.
And so now you have a situation where it's not as if they went, hey, look, clearly a law has been broken here.
Like clearly, there is this statute and this statute has been broken and therefore we have to prosecute, because we can't look the other way.
Even though we look the other way and all these other uh crimes.
Instead, what you have here is a Justice Department who is contorting the law uh, attempting to enact this novel legal theory that you're you're mentioning in order to get someone.
So that is, that is so um, not in keeping with the precedent, which is that like, we just don't prosecute former presidents.
Again, i'm not saying I agree with that precedent, i'm just saying that, if you look at this in context, you go, so, wait a minute, you are not going to prosecute all of these obvious crimes, but you are going to twist around this legal framework in order to try to get the guy who, by the way, you're throwing everything at after throw, after throwing two impeachments, after a special prosecutor after um, all you know uh, 50 former spies all saying that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation,
when they knew damn well that it wasn't.
After all of this, it's impossible to not see this thing for what it is, which is the latest attempt to bring down Donald Trump uh uh, an attempt to contort uh existing laws, to criminalize something that is is not at all clearly criminal, to say the least.
It's, at the very least, it's impossible to say that it is not clearly criminal for Donald Trump to say, I believe this election was stolen from me and to try to contest that through legal avenues, fail in those legal avenues and ultimately leave like that's what he did um, and he has, by the way, been maintaining since that he believes the election was stolen from him.
There's there's a few things, I think, that that almost have to be separated out here.
There is how you feel about Donald Trump doing what he did in the wake of the 2020 election.
That is separate from the question of criminality.
Um now, Donald Trump uh did not go to Joe Biden's inauguration I believe, the first president in my lifetime who's ever done that.
You can feel however you want to about that.
You can think that's wrong for the country.
You can think, you know, but there's nothing criminal about that, right?
There's lots of things like that.
He did that, you know.
For example, I know there was um, there was legitimate like um, uh fraud in um, the 1960 election, where uh Jack Kennedy won the presidency and a lot of Nixon's people wanted him to contest the election and he wouldn't.
He was like, no, that's not what's best for the country, it's over.
He won, i'm going to concede.
Now you could argue Trump should have handled it like that.
I don't know that.
I completely agree with that argument because I don't buy into this whole like well, everyone has to believe in these institutions.
I'm more of a like i'd like the institutions to be undermined type of guy, but however you feel about that is completely beside the point.
That has nothing to do with whether this is criminal.
And what's fascinating about these charges, if you go read through the indictment, is that essentially it's and this is why I think um people, libertarians or good people should oppose this is that it's, first of all, it's not setting a precedent that presidents aren't above the law.
It's not going after any of the crimes that presidents commit regularly.
We can get into some of those um it's.
It's more like setting a precedent, for if the um, if the deep state, wants to get a president, then they can contort laws in a way in order to bring them down.
I don't think there's anything to be celebrated about that, and it also seems to be verging on criminalizing speech.
Essentially, what they're saying is that because they're saying that he lied um, they're saying that he knew it was a lie and so, by pushing this lie, he committed fraud against the American people, which is a very but number one.
In order to actually prove this, you would have to demonstrate that um, that he knew it was a lie, and the evidence that they seem to have for that is that a bunch of people around him told him that it wasn't true.
But that's such a it's such a ridiculous leap from that to get to he believed them because he also had lots of people around him.
Again however, you feel about them, Juliani and uh, what was the other the, the lady Powell, Sidney Powell?
He had these people around him.
His, his legal team was telling him that you absolutely won this and we can win in court and we can demonstrate it.
Now they were wrong, at least about the legal portion of that um, but the idea of proving that Donald Trump really knows he didn't win in 2020 seems rather far-fetched to me.
If there's one thing I believe about Donald Trump, is that I believe that he thinks he won and I, like I think he would pass a lie detector test.
I don't think he's lying when he says that I don't.
I don't know that that's right, I don't know that he's correct, but I think he believes that and so it's just the whole thing.
Um, at least as far as the letter of the law goes, seems incredibly flimsy.
Um, before I uh uh extrapolate, tell people some of the other things about this that make the case very thin.
Uh, on that point that you were making of this new standard of, if you knowingly lied to the American people, you've committed fraud upon them.
Firstly, that would be an excellent gold standard to apply to government, because if we applied it across the board yes, I mean the amount of people that that's literally the press secretary's job, that's most of the time that they interact with the public, that's probably, I mean that would be an incredible standard.
And if we can apply that to government, that knowingly, that government officials knowingly lying to the American people is perpetuating fraud to them and that that is a crime that you can go to jail for, I mean they would all be in jail 100 of the time.
I mean like, when you just think about like okay, first of all, all of the people who signed that letter, who said that uh, Hunter Biden's laptop was uh, was Russian disinformation, they'd be in jail.
Fauci would be in jail for a thousand lifetimes.
Every president, every press secretary, every vice president, every I mean everyone in the Corporate Press should go to jail over that.
You know, anyway, well, I mean, I love it.
That would be a great standard.
Here's some other things that just catch my eye as making the case rather thin.
One is they had to actually change the way that the elections are certified to, I guess, ensure that no one else would ever run with this interpretation again, that you could put up like a different set of like electorates.
I don't even know the particulars, but the fact that they had to change the law at least means that they realized that the old law was open to interpretation.
Yeah, their argument is that it was illegal, but also we had to write a law to make it illegal.
And to make it clear that it was illegal, which means that in a minimum, that sounds to me like an admission that like what he did might have been some wily coyote bad tricks, but it sounds like it was at least reasonable for a lawyer, probably Eastman, to sit down and go, Hey, I think you have a room to do this.
Now, should no one have done it?
Probably, but it sounds like there was at least open for interpretation, which sounds like it would be hard to prove that what he was doing was like fraudulent or against the law because you had to change the law because apparently it was open for that interpretation is one.
Two is they put forward that like he's even, you know, Donald Trump's even allowed to lie to the American people or he's allowed to say something that he knows to be untrue.
Just in this case, I don't even know exactly what the crime is that keep, I guess he pushed this one too far or like it just starts becoming very thin when you start being like, what specifically is the crime that you're charging with?
And then of course you have to actually prove that he knew what he believed to be untrue, which, yeah, we got to fix this system where presidents like you got it with Joe Biden, also with Hunter Biden, where you can be on calls and just, I don't know, I don't know.
I was just, you know what I mean?
Like there is a lot of gray area here that leaves all this open-ended.
But the fact that Donald Trump clearly had legal advisors that were playing into this, it just sounds from like a legal standpoint.
The guy didn't actually break anything.
It's going to be very hard to prove it.
However, in a DC court in front of those juries, those people are not as intelligent as you and I are.
They don't care about the law.
What they care about is, oh, yeah, that sounds like someone did something that's not nice.
Well, the other thing about this, right?
And look, I know probably almost anyone who listens to this show is outside of the Matrix in this sense and is not like living in this blue-pilled bubble.
But you have people who are still to this day convinced of the Russia thing.
I mean, I've seen polls on this.
I mean, there's still like, there's still a, a not insignificant percentage of Democratic voters who are believe that Trump was like a Russian spy.
People wearing masks and boosting their kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like still to this day.
I mean, you know, okay, look, in much smaller numbers than there once were, thank God.
But still, like those people.
And Washington is like ground zero.
Washington is like 95% hates Donald Trump's cuts.
And so in their mind, it's kind of like this, this thing where, you know, when you see the way woke kids on college campuses act, like how belligerent they'll be when like Jordan Peterson comes to give a speech or something like that.
In their mind, this is a neo-Nazi.
And once you're started, that's your starting point, then everything else is kind of justified.
Like this really, we don't really need to get into the weeds of like whether I'm violating free speech or whether I'm just behaving like a jackass right now or any of that because it's a neo-Nazi.
And so if your starting point is accepting that Donald Trump committed treason and then incited an insurrection, then you don't really need to get lost in the weeds of this legal argument here.
It's like, well, I don't know.
We're getting the guy.
We're getting the guy who did that.
So let's get him.
And one question, David Sachs was on a show.
Me and you were listening to this in our drive sitting in traffic in Florida the other day, but he made this very basic but excellent point.
He was talking to some progressive who was like, yes, I think Donald Trump incited an insurrection and I think he's guilty of treason.
And David Sachs goes, great.
Why isn't he being charged with treason or incitement?
If he did both of those things, this justice department who lets it in the most generous interpretation is not afraid to go after Donald Trump.
Let's say that, okay, they're not hell-bent on getting him the way is obviously true, but let's just say they're willing to charge him.
Why is Donald Trump not being charged with incitement or with treason?
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And there's a very simple answer for that because he didn't do either.
And they know they couldn't even bring that.
They know they can't prove that because it's ridiculous.
The standards are very clear and he didn't either.
Okay.
He was not a Russian asset.
He was not a Russian spy.
He was not involved in a conspiracy with Russia and he did not incite an insurrection.
He did not even incite whatever January 6th is.
That's not the legal standard for incitement.
You can't just say that because he told people to go protest and specifically said peacefully that therefore he's responsible for what everybody does any more than if I were to say, hey, we're having a protest outside the Federal Reserve building in New York City.
We want to protest how fiat currency is destroying our economy.
And then some people there did something violent.
I'm not responsible for that because I suggested they protest.
That's very clear what the legal standard for incitement is.
And if you think about it, anything other than that would be an absolute attack on your freedom of speech.
I mean, you couldn't say anything if anyone who heard it and then went and committed a crime, you were responsible for.
So there's a reason why he's not being charged with either of those things.
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Clinton Crime Suspicion00:14:54
All right, let's get back into the show.
We got a long history of sore losers losing the presidency.
I even remember as a kid, the Mad Magazine cover, I believe, of Gore Lieberman and it said sore loserman.
But even look at probably what was the most successful complaint about an invalid presidency was Donald Trump is in fact a Russian spy.
And for two full years, because the efforts of the Clinton administration and the deep state, they basically undermined the voted official of the American people by saying that guy's actually a Russian asset and investigating for two years.
Where's the crime of that?
That was two full years of, hey, this guy's actually a Russian spy.
Yeah.
And look, I'll acknowledge that just the candidates themselves, because the difference is that the entire corporate media apparatus jumped behind those claims of Hillary Clinton and in fact, pushed it for years beyond there, really kind of took the baton from her and ran with it.
Quite literally, I mean, the whole Russian collusion thing started with Hillary Clinton's campaign.
But just judging the candidates, I will acknowledge that Donald Trump took it further than Hillary Clinton did.
Okay.
But there were a lot of similarities.
I mean, there were unprecedented things that I had never seen before.
Like Hillary Clinton did not make a concession speech the night she lost.
That was the first time in my life that a president didn't come out.
They always did that.
And she didn't.
And that was a big deal at the time, like kind of just like, whoa, that's not how this normally goes.
That's not how normally we have a peaceful transfer of power.
You know, usually the person comes out, no matter what was said during the campaign, they concede.
They say, I just got off the phone with my opponent and I congratulated him for winning, blah, blah, blah.
She didn't do that.
She said for not just weeks or months, but years afterward that the election was not legitimate and that he didn't really beat her.
She tried her best to have the Electoral College overturn the results of the election.
There were a lot.
There's a lot of similarities there.
But she showed up to the inauguration, I guess.
You know what I mean?
So like they'll go, well, even Hillary Clinton accepted it ultimately.
It's like, all right, Donald Trump got on a plane and left town.
He didn't like, once the legal efforts failed and once January 6th happened and all of that, he conceded that Joe Biden was going to be president.
He maintained that it had been stolen the whole time, still to this day, but he did leave.
So anyway, yes, you can argue with all of these things.
Again, I'm not sure I believe this, but you could argue that it's bad for the country, that it's an outrage, that it's in poor taste.
All of that is fine.
That's not a legal argument.
It's just not.
There's nothing criminal about any of that.
And in fact, the executive branch is in charge of overseeing elections.
Let's just put it this way.
If what Donald Trump's saying was right, let's say it was right.
Wouldn't he be in dereliction duty if he didn't do something about it?
So now you actually have the task of proving that he knew he was wrong about it, which is a whole different set of warrants.
Again, though, to your point, it's not really about that.
I think people kind of have, and we all can fall into this sometimes, or people have this idea of what law is, what government is, how these things really work.
And the truth is that what this is about is whether you can get a jury, how you can get a jury to vote.
That's really what it's about.
Same way that impeachment is just about what you can get congressmen to vote on.
That's all it is.
There's no actual objective standard here.
And so that's the reality of the situation.
I guess my only thought, like, and this kind of just floating around in my head, because I agree with everything that we just said.
And I do think that this is nonsense.
It's clearly they're doing everything that they possibly can to just try and make sure that he can't run a campaign and win.
And if anything, maybe even if they can't make it that he can't be president or has to go to jail, maybe they can just, you know, keep pulling him off the campaign trail so that he has to be in court and that they could just drum up the news stories of we can't even debate this guy.
Look, he's being investigated for trying to become a dictator, blah, blah, blah.
Well, it does seem, it does seem, by the way, just on that last point, because I think it's a really important one.
It does seem to give Joe Biden the out.
It's one of these things we've been saying for a while now that, look, Joe Biden's going to have to debate.
And at least once it's not RFK, but he's going to have to debate whoever the Republican nominee is.
It's not 2020 anymore.
He can't pretend he's following the science by staying home.
This does seem to be handing him an out that it's like, I'm not even going to debate a guy who blah, blah, blah is, you know, trying to.
This is how criminal the Republican Party is that they're even willing to run a candidate who so undermined our democracy.
Yep.
It gives him a talking point or something like that, which his fan base will just eat up and regurgitate mindlessly.
With that said, let's just say Donald Trump actually had a private meeting basically with Giuliani.
Let's say Giuliani's the one guy that he's actually, and he's just an idiot that he made Giuliani his guy, but he's still a sucker for New York.
He remembers those Giuliani 9-11 days.
He remembers when he was a younger, more competent man without a dripping hair, hairdo.
And, you know, Yankees fan New York, he was just all about it.
He's all about Giuliani.
And he sits down.
He goes, all right, listen, it's clear I'm losing this election.
It's just, I'm looking at the poll numbers and I lost this.
How do we steal it?
And he goes, well, I know this other lawyer down there, Powell, will drum up all these claims.
We'll pretend like, you know, the thing was fraud.
And like they literally just enacted like a nonsense scheme.
There was never any fraud whatsoever.
Like literally, it was just they sat down and they're a bunch of idiots.
They couldn't even come up with a good way of doing it.
But they literally just came up with a very criminal and lunatic scheme to try and pretend in the media like it was a fraudulent election.
And then they just change the voter.
I guess to whoever the people who put up the votes are, they steal the election.
And then Congress has to deal with changing the law so that no president could do that in the future.
I guess, how do you prevent or try and like unwind that?
Like, I get that this is too late and that this seems more like it's, you know, like the prosecutors are being unfair, but it's like, like, what's the mechanism to actually getting to truth on did Donald Trump just lie and there was no evidence of fraud?
Or look, there actually was fraud in the last election, or at least there was reason for him to believe that there was fraud because we've overlooked like so much.
Like I remember watching all those YouTube videos of people going, I was locked out during lunch or like there was a lot of weird shit going on that the election got certified and we just went, well, this is okay.
The statistic arguments never made sense.
The court cases that the legal team of Donald Trump actually put forward didn't make any sense.
The investigation they did in Arizona with whatever that weird name was of that crew didn't find any fraud whatsoever.
But like, I don't know, it leaves me just with my little OCD brain scratching my head, just going, like, what is the truth and how come no one wants to find that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's also the thing is that if you just look at the way things went in 2020 and what a year that was, which even now, even for people like us who just for a living, what we do is talk about this and think about these things.
It's still hard three years later to even put in perspective what a year that was.
You know, like the craziest year in both of our lives, the craziest year, but you could be, you know, 60 and it was still like the craziest fucking year.
I mean, obviously there's been other crazy events, but 2020 was just kind of different in scale and in kind.
And so this whole year, you have, you know, the lockdowns, the insanity coming out of the corporate press.
Then you have them switching on a dime to where like you're not allowed to leave your house, but you are if you're protesting racism.
You have these riots all over the country.
You have the entire way that we do elections completely overhauled in this crazy year.
And now you can vote by mail and vote by home for anyone can do it, not just like the absentee ballots that we typically did for like military members or something like that.
But this is just the normal way elections are going.
You have the Hunter Biden laptop October surprise completely suppressed.
You had mass censorship through the year.
I mean, if you remember, do you remember how crazy 2020 was where just like anybody who dissented was getting destroyed?
Now, we had had some censorship in the country before, but never anything like 2020, where it was just like all of us, especially being in this field that we're in, we all had to like be hyper focused on everything you say.
It was like when you were just doing podcasts or just posting on social media, you had to be like very aware that there is like, oh, I, there's this whole range of things that might get me banned, like might ruin my career.
It was just a crazy time.
And after all of this, and of course, this also is the culmination of four years of the three-letter agencies attempting to sabotage the president's term.
And this all kind of boils up in the end where on the election day, you have, you go to bed that night with it looking like Donald Trump's going to win and you wake up in the morning and all of a sudden Biden's out ahead.
No matter what the answer is underneath that, this was a recipe that you're like, oh, this is going to result in a whole bunch of people not buying this.
There's just, there's no way around that.
And if the thing was reversed, the other side would have felt the exact same way.
So that's kind of just the political reality of where we were going with all of this.
More and more, the corporate press, the shadow government, and kind of like the Democrat and Republican establishment have basically let Trump supporters, I'd say libertarians, many actual good leftists, like a lot of people like that know that like you're their enemy.
They're not interested in bringing you back into the fold.
They're interested in vanquishing you.
And those people, this all bubbled up on January 6th and turned into what it was.
Now, Donald Trump going out and saying he didn't believe it either definitely put fuel on that fire.
I think there's no question about that.
But that fire was going to be there no matter what Donald Trump says.
And I guess just to put a button on it, I mean, the point of the elections is we can let the voters decide.
You know, like there's enough, they did the two weeks of show trials on NBC or whatever with the January 6th Commission.
They've, they've made as much of a stink about this as they possibly can.
They tried to pretend like this is domestic terrorism and look at the racists in this country.
And this is why Donald Trump is so dangerous.
Like they've made their case.
And if the voting public still goes, yeah, you know what?
But that's the guy that I want.
Well, that's what the people want then.
So, you know.
Well, if the whole crunt, you know, it's funny because if the whole, like, if the whole crime revolves around saying he tried to undermine our democracy, it's like, well, okay, well, we have a national referendum coming up on this, right?
And so people can democratically decide whether they agree with that or not, or whether they have a problem with what he did.
And so there is this weird paradoxical thing where you're bringing these charges.
And the other thing, and I don't know about this.
Several people have brought this up, and I got to admit it's something I've been thinking.
Now, there might be an answer to this, but it does also seem like the timing of this is just so suspicious.
Like if Donald Trump committed these crimes in 2020, why is he being indicted on them in 2023 in the summer?
It's like all the other people in January 6th who were charged with crimes.
None of them have just been sitting waiting to be indicted.
They've all, some of them have gotten.
I guess Rayops has.
Yeah, okay, fine.
That's right.
One guy, one guy has.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, they all got charged right away with their criminal activity.
If it was so apparent that this guy had committed a crime, why is it that it's not until 2023 at the beginning of the presidential election cycle when he is the clear head and shoulders favorite to become the Republican nominee that now we've decided we're going to go charge him with this crime?
That just coincidentally, I suppose, were to believe, happens to coincide with him being charged with these other charges where they're also kind of contorting statutes.
I mean, the guy Braggs in New York City even acknowledged that he had to like contort the statute in a way it's never been used before to charge Donald Trump with a crime up there.
So why is it that all of the sudden now, all of these indictments, all for really old things, are just all coming down right at the beginning of this presidential cycle.
At the absolute least, it looks suspicious.
I don't know.
Maybe there's other explanations that I'm not aware of.
I'm not a lawyer, but that does seem, that does smell kind of fishy to me.
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I think one of the other things that's worth mentioning, and I got, I've been arguing with some people on Twitter about this the last few days, but one of the things that, you know, in the same sense that like the law is not, you know, it's like we have this idea, and this is one of the center like kind of themes of libertarianism, or at least my brand of libertarianism,
is that we kind of like, there's this almost like religious belief in government that people have that is all kind of an illusion.
You know, this is the idea that words written down on a piece of paper actually govern us is kind of absurd.
Like as if it's like some potion, like you write it down on a piece of paper and therefore it is real.
Like hocus, pocus, you know, this is, you know, and you see this a lot.
This is, I had a bit about this in my last comedy special, Libertas, available for free on YouTube, where you see these things when people argue with cops that they know their rights.
Like, I know my rights.
And it's really funny when you think about it.
Like you see, there's just like 100,000 videos like this online where a cop's like, okay, you have to step out of the car.
And he's like, I know my rights.
I don't have to step out of the car.
And then he gets tased and dragged out of the car.
And it's like, when you really examine that, it's really fascinating what's going on here.
Like you have reality, which is like a man with a gun standing outside of your car.
Like a man with a gun with a taser and a walkie-talkie to 50,000 more men with guns.
Like the most badass, powerful gang in your area, whatever area you're in, is the local cops.
And you're talking to him and he's like, there, that's reality.
Man with a gun in a gang giving you orders.
And then you're like, no, In the late 1700s, someone wrote this down on a piece of paper.
And therefore, that's, I know, I know my rights.
And then almost every time they figure out pretty quickly, like, no, you don't know anything.
You're believing in a ghost.
It's just not real.
If you can say that the speed limit on this highway is 60 miles per hour, but no one gets pulled over unless they're doing 75.
Well, then the speed limit is 75.
It doesn't really matter what that sign says.
What matters is when is this guy with a gun going to force you over to the side of the road and make you pay him money and give you a piece of paper that says you have to pay him money in a few weeks or whatever.
That's what matters.
So just to the point, what matters here is what a jury is going to vote for.
The idea that in a court of law, we have the, I know they say that you have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
That's what they say.
And then we have in our mind that that's how courts work, but it's not.
The overwhelming majority of jury trials, the jury is voting on what they think is more likely.
War Law Violations00:07:27
Do they think he did it or do they think he didn't do it?
That's usually how people vote.
If they think this guy's a murderer, they're going to vote guilty.
And if that's not, they don't actually go, well, it has not been proven beyond any doubt that he's guilty.
That's the truth is we'd have almost no convictions if that was the case.
But it's not.
Again, that's not really what matters here.
And the same with people being indicted.
What matters is not really whether they broke something that's written down on a piece of paper.
If that were the case, every president would be indicted.
And this is what I was arguing with people on Twitter for where they're like, oh, but what's the specific crime that this guy violated?
Or what's that?
And you're like, dude, if you don't, if you can look at the Bush administration and the Obama administration and the Trump administration and not see the obvious crimes that were committed.
I mean, look, look, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
It is, it claims it's the supreme law of the land.
And everybody in government claims to agree with that.
They all put their hand on the Constitution and take an oath to defend it against enemies, foreign and domestic.
Every single politician has done this.
Okay.
And the Constitution very clearly says that only Congress can declare a war.
The last war that was declared in the United States of America was World War II.
The legal justification for every single war since World War II, every single one of them, Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia,
Yemen, Pakistan, every one, and I've missed quite a few, the Baltics, the justification for every single one of them, the legal justification, is that that wasn't a war.
And this is the truth.
They justify it by saying that wasn't a war.
It was a military action.
Could you think of a flimsier excuse than that?
That the war in Iraq, which we all call the war in Iraq, because it's clearly a war, wasn't a war at all.
Could you think of a more 1984 spin than that?
Oh, that wasn't a war.
That was just 20 years of military actions, you know, just a whole lot of them.
Now, of course, when we get hit on Pearl Harbor, when we get hit on 9-11, what do we say?
That was an act of war.
Because obviously it is.
I mean, like, how could you call it anything else?
On 9-11, that day, by that afternoon, it was all, we're at war.
We've been attacked.
We are at war.
This was an act of war.
Because of course it is.
If anyone bombs us, that's an act of war.
But yet we can have sustained bombing campaigns for decades and say that's not a war.
No, legally speaking, it's not a war.
Now, either it is a war and it's an illegal war, because it was not declared by the Congress, or your argument is that it's not a war, which is the flimsiest of legal defenses imaginable.
It's a clear violation of Article 1, Section 8, presidential authorities.
Clear.
This is beyond to even engage in this argument.
The only way to legally engage in the argument is to either say it wasn't a war, which is just absurd, or to say that, well, Congress, you know, granted the authorization for military force, and therefore the president kind of had the permission of the Congress to go use military force.
Now, number one, the problem with that is that the Constitution is very clear.
It says there's a process for declaring war.
You need a declaration of war.
That's what the supreme law of the land says.
Okay.
So there's a problem there.
And then, of course, there's lots of other problems with the AUMF where it's like, you know, like they gave permission to George W. Bush to use military force against Saddam Hussein's government.
The problem is Saddam Hussein's government fell in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.
All these years we're still using military force.
There is no Saddam's government.
And then to like, you know, whatever.
But there's legally, really no argument here.
So why haven't all of these presidents been charged with war crimes?
Because there's no political will to charge them.
There's no interest in the Justice Department to charge them.
There's no interest in the lobbying class and the political class and the donor class.
None of them are pushing for it.
That's why.
The only people who want to see presidents charged for war crimes are like me and you and like libertarian and hard left-wing activists.
Those are the only real people who have, and we don't really have any power like that.
So that now, just to give an example of how this works all the time with laws, right?
James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, former director of national intelligence, clearly lied to Congress.
There was nothing ambiguous about it.
He was directly asked if the NSA was involved in a collection of bulk data of American citizens.
And he said, no, we're not.
When they were involved in the biggest spying apparatus in human history, they had just created it over the last three years.
And he knew damn well about this.
It's not even like there's any, there's not even an attempt to claim that he didn't really know that the NSA was doing this.
He was unaware of PRISM or this.
Everyone knows he knew.
He just lied.
Why has he not been charged for lying to Congress?
It's a clear violation of the law.
Because they don't want to charge him.
Now, when Donald Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohn, lied to Congress, he got a month wrong when he was talking about a business deal.
Why was he charged?
Oh, because they wanted to get him, put pressure on him and get him to flip on Trump, which they somewhat successfully did.
So they charged him.
They charged him, but not Clapper.
That's how law works.
That's how it actually works.
It's not a matter of like who clearly violated this statute.
And therefore, it's like the people at the Justice Department are like, well, we have to enforce this statute whether we like to or not.
If they don't want to, they just don't have to enforce it.
Even when people very clearly violate the law, they don't have to enforce it.
And then you have this case with Trump where he did not very clearly violate the law.
No matter what people who believe he is guilty of treason or incitement will say, because he's not guilty of either of those two crimes, and that's why he's not being charged with either of them.
At the very least, at the bare minimum, when you look at these charges, he did not clearly violate the law.
It's not clear that it's illegal for a president to say, I don't think the last election was legitimate.
And I'm going to explore every legal avenue to try to get it changed.
It's not illegal for him to say, go peacefully protest outside the Capitol.
None of this is illegal.
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Okay, yeah.
So, well, there was this other thing, you know, by the way, which Donald Trump, there's a weird dynamic where there's basically two forces that are keeping Donald Trump as the frontrunner.
One of them is charges like this.
Keep boosting them.
It's really something I think there's a really interesting dynamic there, which we could explore further some other time, where I think actually at the beginning of the presidential cycle, whenever exactly you consider that beginning, there was a lot of hesitation amongst the right half of America for Trump to be the guy.
I think Donald Trump was also somewhat out of step with his own base as he was out there bragging about how great the vaccine is and what a genius he is because he, you know, made it or whatever.
And then as the deep state has been cracking down on Donald Trump, it's just solidified his support more and more.
It almost like it almost forced him back into being aligned with his base because once he was like, I'm the person who's taking on the swamp again, then it was more like what his base wanted to hear.
So that's one factor.
The other factor that's keeping Donald Trump as the inevitable nominee is that Ron DeSantis is just a disaster.
And he's just, the more his presidential campaign goes on, the more he is indistinguishable from Jeb Bush.
Just a guy who looked good on paper, but as soon as he got out there campaigning, you were like, he does not have it.
And he also seems to be really nothing more than just another neocon underneath the surface.
There was a question in a town hall meeting that DeSantis got.
I wanted to respond to this also because I think me and you, Rob, have kind of an interesting perspective on this stuff as two Jews who disagree, let's say, with the kind of conventional Jewish thinking on these type of questions.
So anyway, let's play the video.
Let's play the question first and we'll talk about that a little bit and then we'll talk about DeSantis' response.
Thank you.
Thank you for your service.
I appreciate that very much.
We all do.
This question is tough for me to ask, so I apologize in advance if I get a little choked up.
My family lives in Florida, in southern Florida.
They live in a religious Jewish community.
And my family, like many families there, including the little ones, and I have a lot of little ones, they have to take incredible precautions against the rising anti-Semitic, anti-Semitic attacks that are happening right in their neighborhoods.
It's really heartbreaking and tragic to me.
I apologize.
Recently, maybe in the last few months, there was a gathering of some of your supporters or say they're your supporters.
They say you're supporters and they had flags that had DeSantis 2024.
They also had Nazi swastika flags, the flags that tore my family and 6 million and then 10 million people to death.
What would you say to my family and to my grandchildren?
Please, sir, can you tell me what you would say to them directly they're little?
Sure.
Well, first of all, when they're doing that, let's pause it right here.
Oh, man, this question just drives me crazy.
I hate this lady so much.
I mean, it's, but I have so much to say.
I mean, look, like, I guess there should be like a disclaimer put in front of it that, like, look, any type of violent attacks or anything like that are horrible.
They should be illegal.
Luckily, they are.
So check.
We've already got laws against any type of violent attacks.
I just, there's this thing that is, it's pretty pervasive in Jewish culture.
I'm very aware of it.
I know you're very aware of it, Rob.
There's no one who's a Jew who's not aware of it.
It is this like this victim mentality that I call out from all other groups when I see it from them.
And so I'm definitely going to call it out from my people as well.
It is not helpful.
It is not accurate.
It doesn't lead to any type of positive outcome.
And it's a very destructive impulse that people fall into.
And I'm sorry, but it's hard to almost like, it gets so removed from reality.
I remember, I think I've told this story on the show before.
I may have told it recently, or it might have been to you off the podcast, but when we were up at Porkfest and that woman asked me, we were doing like a line of, I was like taking photos after a show.
And this woman, like an older woman, and she asked me about how concerned I was over the rise of anti-Semitism on college campuses.
And I was almost like taken aback by the question.
I was like, oh, I'm not, I'm not concerned at all.
It's fine.
Like everything's fine.
It's like, you know, my grandfather grew up, he was a Jew growing up in Germany during the rise of the Nazis.
He was in an inhospitable environment, like a really toxic, like anti-Jewish culture with real oppression.
You're talking about a kid who's on a college campus in the United States of America in 2018 or whatever year it was.
It's like, yeah, no, they're fine.
They're fine.
I don't know.
What are we talking about?
I'm sorry.
The idea that Jewish children in South Florida are living in some like type of dangerous Jew-hating world where they have all of these obstacles in front of them and violence attacks against Jews are everywhere.
There's just another pogrom around the corner in southern Florida in 2023.
What world are we talking about?
What are you even saying?
Like, I'm sorry.
It's like you almost, when you get these questions, you're like, be really, really specific for me here.
Really specific.
You're saying they have to take precautions against what?
What precautions?
What happened?
There was an incident somewhere where someone had a swastika flag.
That's what we're talking about here.
I mean, like people who tout swastika flags in this country exist in, I don't know, the dozens and have zero power.
Zero power.
There's at best a few hundred of them around the country.
Half of them are feds who are infiltrating their organizations.
They have zero, zero political power, zero non-political power.
They're not your bosses or your teachers or your, you know what I mean?
Like there's, it's just, it just doesn't exist.
And I don't understand.
And I really truly hate this desire that Jews have to pretend that we're still living in some type of oppressive environment when we're not.
We're not.
Now, I understand to some degree, there is kind of like this, this, there's this kind of like generational effect that the Holocaust had where, and I know this.
I've seen it in my own family.
I've seen it in a lot of Jewish families that I grew up around, where there kind of was this feeling, and perhaps some of it, it's like a survival instinct type thing, where it's like, look, they all just turned on us before.
They could all turn on us at any minute.
You know what I mean?
Like we have to constantly be on guard of anything anti-Semitic coming up because that could lead to another one of these Holocausts.
I just don't, it doesn't jive with reality to me.
The truth is that in the United States of America, Jews are thriving.
We're doing very well.
We're doing very well for ourselves.
We, for the most part, our family stories are escaping other environments that were inhospitable to us and coming to places where we thrived.
I don't think the appropriate feeling after that is to go, well, I'm still pissed off at everybody here because any minute you could also turn on me.
I think the more appropriate feeling is to be kind of patriotic and be like, hey, what a great society we live in where we can thrive here.
The truth is that it's just not, it's not reality that Jews are like up against it as some oppressed minority in the United States of America in 2023.
It's just not true.
I don't know.
What do you think about the question, Ryan?
I think very well said.
And there's something that I hate about society that when you get a question like this, you don't get to just look at that person in the face and go, you are an evil person.
You are on the stage crying and lying to try and portray me like a Nazi.
And because of the polite society that we live in, if I call you out for be, I know the game that you're playing here.
You're being mean and you're lying and you're trying to affiliate me with Nazis in order to undermine me.
And we both know the game that you're playing.
It's so disgusting because you're using, you're actually using what the Nazis did to Jewish people in order to like score a political point and then pretending you're not doing it.
Like, what do you say to my children, my grandchildren?
They're very little ones, you know?
And the fact that you're not allowed to call people on this and we all have to then live in this, because if he were to go and say, listen, lady, you're lying and this is disgusting what you're doing.
Tomorrow he's in the newspaper.
Ron DeSantis is an anti-Semite.
And so this news organization that allowed for this question is disgusting.
And our culture that doesn't just squash people lying, playing victimhood and being what this lady's doing, this is like bitchy aggressiveness to sit back and go, my family's just in pain because of the actions that other people have taken.
And it's like the fact that you can't just look at her and go, no, what you're doing right now is mean and evil.
And I see what you're doing.
I'll tell you, this was one of the things that some of the like progressive types who we used to be in the Libertarian Party would give me shit for.
But to me, it's just so obvious.
But I have more contempt for people who do this than I do for Holocaust deniers.
If that makes sense.
Like if somebody is actually a Holocaust denier and they're just like, I don't believe that happened.
I'm kind of like, ah, all right.
I mean, what's your argument?
You're wrong, but like, what's your argument?
You know, it's almost like, but then these people know it happened and will use it.
You know what I mean?
To like score cheap political points.
I find that to be more despicable.
Like, you know, like.
Rob's newsroom at gmail.com.
Someone come up with some real budget.
I'll go down there and do journalism and let's let's go find out how her family is living.
Let's actually go find, I mean, we can find this person.
I mean, I'm not going to be creepy.
I'm not going to, but like, I'd love to see the actual journalism of who are the day-to-day.
Yeah, who are her grandkids?
What community is this?
What kind of anti-Semitism is rampant in the area?
And then, and then when you see it, like when you actually look at it, it's like they'll come up with like, you know, like some numbers on like, okay, there was this hate crime or this hate crime or like someone was assaulted in a synagogue or something like this happened.
And you're like, look, crimes happen.
They're horrible.
They should, you know what I mean?
They should be illegal.
Luckily, they are.
Fine.
But then you realize that you're like, oh, like in the overall crime numbers, it's a drop in the bucket.
It's like a very, very different thing.
You're literally, you're being abusive towards your children if you have them in a state where they're living in fear because of scattered crimes.
For example, if you're not, I don't know, if you're sending your kids to school right now with a bulletproof vest and you're training them in, I don't know how to hide under desks on a daily basis because, well, there's an increase in shooters.
Yes, I guess there's an increase in school shooters.
And if you're imposing on your kid that they need to spend their entire life afraid of that, you're being abusive towards your child.
And so, yeah, maybe if there's one true crime statistic about some increase, which by the way is probably bullshit because the Jews are reworking numbers of what's considered anti-Semitism and what's considered violence that they go, oh, look, there's an increase, which probably isn't true.
And if we digested the numbers, it would just be their way of pretending like this is a true talking point.
But if you're taking that nonsense talking point of some other complainty Jews and you're actually making it the reality for your children that they have to live in fear, you're being abusive towards your kids.
No, and then usually what they end up going to after that is they'll like kind of like shoehorn in like, well, anti-Semitic rhetoric on the internet or something like that has increased, which is always like so dubious the way they even calculate that.
It's like, yes, if you go to like YouTube comments or tweets or whatever, it's like, oh, okay, yes, you can find hateful comments toward every single group of people.
By the way, very much including straight white men.
It's just no one seems to like even care about registering that.
But no, I mean, if you just look at, if you look at crime rates almost in any high crime area, no, you're not finding that an overwhelming majority of them are targeting Jewish people.
That's just not.
That's just not the reality of the world we live in.
Egg on my face, if I go down to this area in South Florida and it's just rampant every day.
And then I'll go, congratulations.
Let's have you on the podcast.
I'd like to hear more about this because there's a...
I can't believe there wasn't more news about this.
Yeah, because this is unbelievable.
Okay, so now let's play DeSantis's response.
Those are not true supporters of mine.
That is an operation to try to link me to something so that it smears me.
I can tell you what we've done since I've been governor.
You know, we've put in $12 million for security at Jewish day schools because we're not going to let those schools be attacked.
We beefed up Holocaust education standards.
We have the strongest Holocaust education standards in the entire country.
I gave the Florida Medal of Freedom to Ben Ference, the last surviving prosecutor at Nuremberg.
He's since passed away, but he was somebody that we looked up to and we're proud that he was a Floridian.
We've enacted universal school choice so that parents can send their kids to Jewish day schools and to other schools, which we think are important.
I signed the first bill in America to go after anti-Semitism in our universities.
I actually signed that in the American embassy in Jerusalem in 2019.
And we said, listen, we're not going to let our universities become a hotbed of anti-Semitism.
We're going to treat that just like we treat racism.
And we led the way on that.
And most recently, I was in Israel for the 75th anniversary.
I keynoted an event at the Museum of Tolerance.
And I signed another piece of legislation to go after people that are commandeering property of others, including synagogues, to do things like show swastikas.
So we're going to hold them accountable.
I said when I was running we'd be the most pro-Israel state in America.
I delivered on that.
And we are the number one state for Jewish in migration of any state in this country.
So we've gotten all those policies right.
Creating Political Movement00:08:57
And what I would say is there are people that are doing things like that.
They are trying to divide by using that as a weapon against me.
Those were not my supporters because if they were my supporters, they would be on the side of every step I've taken.
There's been nobody that's been stronger on these issues in any part of the country than me.
We're proud of that.
And as president, we're going to fight organizations like the United Nations when they target Israel.
We're going to fight against the BDS movement when they try to single out Israel as the world's only Jewish state.
We're going to go after these third world countries that have become hotbeds of anti-Semitism.
We've always stood strong.
We'll continue to stand strong.
And that's just the way it's going to be.
We're proud in Florida that there's more Orthodox Jews moving into my state than it's moving into.
All right, you can end it there.
You can end it there.
Oh, is Ron DeSantis actually bragging that Jews moved to Florida?
Do you think you created that, Ron?
Been going on for decades.
Yes, you're right.
Thank you, DeSantis.
You finally made Florida a place where all Jews want to retire.
This is the way this incident should be handled.
Like if we actually lived in just a normal sane planet, it would be the lady going, hey, I'm trying to chop the dick off my three-year-old and you've made it harder for me to do so.
And Ron DeSantis would go, well, I believe that that is child abuse.
And yes, I've made it illegal for doctors to mutilate children within Florida.
I think you need help.
You should get your child help.
And if you feel otherwise, you can bring them to one of the other states that have delusional mental illness and are willing to remove your child's penis for you.
We will not have that in Florida.
That's the way that should be handled.
And so in this instance, when a lady lies about the victimhood of the Jews, a guy should be able to go, listen, I know the game that you're playing.
You're an evil person for trying to affiliate me with this nonsense.
Sit down.
That's the way that should be handled.
But instead, here's what actually happens is that, and this is what's so crazy about the whole thing, is that DeSantis is up there like, I'm Mr. Woke governor.
And then she's like, well, how about being woke on the Jews?
And he's like, I'm the wokest.
I'm the wokest on the Jews.
I'm just not woke on transgender, but I'm so woke on the Jews.
You have no idea.
I am so into identity politics when it comes to Jewish people.
I'll throw money at it.
I'll ban it.
I'll ban it in universities.
He actually says, we're going to treat it just like racism in universities.
Literally out of his mind, out of his mouth.
We're going to treat it just like racism in you.
How about don't treat anything the way you treat racism in universities?
I thought that was the whole fucking problem was that you guys are insane about it.
And then of course, what does it always creep into too?
And this is the thing, by the way, it's so funny because like we've been doing this for so long.
And then like this Jewish lady will come up and go, oh, there's this rise in anti-Semitism.
And it goes like, okay, well, maybe look at what you've been doing.
Well, I'll tell you, we threw more money at Holocaust education.
Maybe, maybe that's not the solution to this.
Maybe the solution isn't like, if you have Jewish people here and then you have this domestic population, and obviously we're all very integrated at this point, like I don't consider myself outside of the domestic population.
But if you're identifying as like, we're Jews, we're this targeted minority, and you come to this country from a country where you were being oppressed and you're wildly successful here.
And there's no barriers to you achieving your goals and doing what you want to, practicing your religion, raising your family, making money, all of the things that people want to do in a society.
And then you're like, well, you know what we need to do?
We need to lecture the domestic population about how hard we've had it in other societies and how evil those people were for doing that to us.
Does that sound to you like a solution to get people to love you?
Does that sound right to you?
Just think this through.
What about this makes sense?
Even as I'm saying it, if I just went group X did this to domestic population Y, wouldn't you already start to say, yeah, this is making me not really like that group?
Like just think it through on a human level.
Okay.
And then what does it always turn into?
What does it always turn into?
God, you want to create more anti-Semitism.
Keep going down this path.
What does it turn into?
Well, you know what?
We must always support the nation of Israel.
And the problem is that there's people on college campuses who are criticizing them.
And there's a movement pushing to boycott them.
I won't stand for that.
There's this government.
And you know what we have to do?
We have to go after these third world countries that are hotbeds of anti-Semitism.
Whoa.
What exactly?
If that's not the most neocon speak I've ever heard in my life.
Oh, we've been spending the last 20 years going after a lot of third world countries.
And you're saying now the reason is because they don't like Jews.
Huh.
Okay.
So is that really what it's all about?
Why exactly don't they like the Jews?
Maybe there's some, maybe there's a reason.
Why exactly are people critical of Israel?
Maybe there's a reason.
Maybe it's because our governors go over there to sign laws and then pledge to do everything they can to take out their hostile neighbors who are hostile to them for a reason.
Who are hostile to them, maybe because they don't like the way they're treating the Muslim people in Israel and neighboring Israel, which they also consider to be part of Israel.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe they're not a big fan of that.
Man, just awful.
Santis to me is just done.
Like he's just a non-like factor or entity in this race.
I just have zero interest in hearing another thing from him.
Just go back to Florida.
And if there's ever a fucking pandemic again, try to be good on that.
And yeah, don't let them chop kids' dicks off.
Just with what you were saying, yeah, that's why it makes me so angry because it does make me fearful of that you could have actual anti-Semitism when you showcase that a whiny Jew is actually playing the victim while being so powerful that the governor then needs to go, no, no, no, no.
Please don't, please don't come after me, Jewish lobby.
Look at how good I've been to you.
Oh, look, it's just, it's like everyone, it's like, look, I just don't like it on its own.
I think it's wrong and it's not a fair way to be.
And then, yeah, after that, it's like, yeah, I also think you're going to create the exact thing that you're like, you're whining about.
But it is amazing to me how, and I've talked about this for years, but it is so funny among so much of the like the kind of DeSantis, Ben Shapiro, like that type of conservative or whatever you want to call them, which is not a surprise is why like the Daily Wire loved DeSantis.
But that type of them, it's like they rail and rail and rail against wokeism, identity politics, all this stuff until Jews are brought up.
And then they become everything that they've been railing against.
They're the exact same thing, just only for Israel.
It's like, it's the same way that like, and they detest, you know, those Nazi guys.
But it's, it's so funny.
Like, you are the alt-right.
You're just the alt-right for Israel.
Down to you're an ethno-nationalist.
Like, it's the exact same thing.
You are the woke.
You are the alt-right, but only for Israel.
Can we play this Debbie Wasserman Jew cunt response?
Because it's incredible.
Oh, do you have it?
No, no, if you just continue playing the video, she basically entirely ignores what DeSantis says and says, yeah, but can you police?
All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's, let's.
In the United States, they would not be doing that if they didn't see policies that were very positive.
Although my grandchildren can't vote yet, what would you say directly to them?
They're seven.
We are going to defeat the scourge of anti-Semitism.
I think we in Florida, I mean, you look, we've had people that have moved from like New York because if they have a Keepa on, they get attacked and then the people don't get prosecuted.
I can tell you, you do that in Florida, you're ending up in jail.
We're going to hold you accountable.
And so we're going to continue to work for that.
And as president, you know, we're going to lean in against anti-Semitism and continue to make sure that we recognize it in all of its forms, including with things like the BDS movement.
Thank you, Laura.
My seven-year-olds will never see this.
They're so afraid.
I think you can't be like an adult man anymore.
Like, I just wish, like, you know what my answer would be?
Like, if I were, if I were running for president and someone said to me, like, well, just what I gave my answer, and then they went like, well, just, but what do you say to my seven-year-old?
I think I would probably say, well, you talk to your seven-year-old.
I'll tell you what I think.
Like, two adults will talk here now, and then it's your job to go talk to your seven-year-old.
Okay.
How about that?
I'd never, I'd never ask some other adult to talk to my kids for me.