Dave Smith and Rob broadcast live from Cleveland, dissecting Hunter Biden's family controversies, Marjorie Taylor Greene's congressional outburst, and Trump's defiant arraignment. They debate a conspiracy linking Obama to a chef's death, analyze a man surgically altering himself into a dog, and argue for local governance over federal parties. Discussing hypothetical billion-dollar wealth, they champion property tax elimination for school choice and condemn military vaccine mandates. Ultimately, the episode celebrates Ron Paul as a libertarian hero while urging listeners to support decentralized revolution against authoritarian overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Next Enemy00:13:34
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Here's your host, James.
Cleveland, Ohio.
How is everybody?
Oh, live part of the problem right here at Hilarities.
I got to say, Rob, this was a...
We've been going all over the country.
This was one of the most fun weekends of stand-up shows we've had anywhere.
Yeah, it was incredible.
Who would have thought?
Cleveland doesn't suck.
Turns out it's actually a pretty cool little fucking city you guys got going here.
It's not bad.
I mean, I've only experienced like two square block radius up here.
So I'm judging you strictly off this.
But it's pretty good down here.
And we're at a hotel that was a they're all going to be there.
They know the exact hotel that you're describing.
And it doesn't bother me.
You guys can all come party at the hotel.
I don't care.
Dave does not want to hang out with you.
So for Dave.
Listen.
You don't want to announce it.
Don't you dare look at me in the eye after this show is over.
I won't give you the specifics.
I'm in room 202 and you guys are welcome to come over.
I swear to God.
It's not actually my room, by the way.
But it's close, but it's really close.
I'll tell you this.
If you go to 202 and just start knocking on the doors around 202, you'll find Rob pretty quickly.
I won't tell you what hotel it is.
It could be any hotel that was a mall in 1876.
All right.
Any hotel you could imagine that happens to have a wedding in it every day for some reason.
Every day there's a wedding.
And it's a weird thing to have a wedding in the middle of a hotel.
Like where people are just like checking in, like.
Oh, I'm in a robe, but like, does anyone have any reason why this woman shouldn't marry this man?
And you're like, I just, I need towels.
Like, if anyone, I'm sorry, I don't mean to like interrupt this whole thing.
Hey, you guys got to be toilet paper at that ceremony?
It's very awkward, but it is, but it's nice.
I'm in the background of some wedding pictures in a robe, so.
In a pretty squampy robe, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, it was very weird.
It doesn't seem like both those things should be happening at the same time, that you're just casually.
Wedding and you existing?
Yes, I guess so.
You should be in one universe or the other.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, maybe someone's going to marry Rob while he's out here.
Ladies, any single ladies looking to marry a degenerate Jew who fucking has a shockingly high understanding of Austrian economics?
Wow.
People listening at home, there's 40 women charging the stage.
It's a good thing this club has security keeping me from all these hot women taking Dave Smith up on that offer.
If you're listening at home, you probably can't hear the wet vaginas.
But if you're here, if you're here live, you can really feel it.
It's a goddamn slip and slide out there, Dave.
The women can't make it to the stage because they're tripping over the slime from the other one's vaginas.
Oh, man.
If this stage wasn't at the top of a hill, these women would be right up here with you.
They just keep sliding down.
It's hilarious to watch.
It's good family fun.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's the way I was doing it.
We didn't really do anything while we were here.
We said we were going to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and we didn't.
No, I ran stairs instead.
You can't get good stairs just anywhere, Dave.
You got to come to Cleveland.
I was prepared.
Listen, this is the thing.
Okay.
I was prepared to go.
But you were so relieved.
All I need is one thing to give me the perfect excuse to not.
Right.
Does that make sense?
Like, if I'm like, all right, Rob was like, can we go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
And I was like, okay, fine.
We'll go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
But I'm just one thing away from him just being like, okay, but we just have to, I have to run to a gas station.
And I'm like, well, if it's a whole thing, dude, then we don't need a gut, you know?
You really, in my mind, I was like, well, we're going to go to lunch and then we'll go there.
And I called you and you were like, I'm running 20 minutes late.
And I was like, dude, I'm just going to order food.
And there was no reason to cancel the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame trip.
But I just went, I don't know, dude, we already had a thing and now it's a whole different thing.
And so I guess we'll just, I'll meet you at the shows.
I live my life exactly that with it.
It's like anything I have to do, if you let me off the hook for it, I'm like, oh, what a relief.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It could be like, we're going to cash this lottery ticket.
I'm like, great, awesome.
1 p.m.
And then you're like, 1.15, forget it.
I didn't even want to cash that lottery ticket.
We're cashing this lottery ticket.
You won $10 million.
And you're like, there is a $3 service fee.
And you're like, well, if it's a whole bunch of red tape, I mean, like, I don't know, dude.
But if we're going to do a whole thing, I'll just fucking stay home.
I will say this is my favorite club that we've played yet, and that's because they fed us with the best food we've had at a comedy club yet.
This is the best food at a comedy club I've ever had.
And I mean that, and I've been doing stand-up comedy for 15 years, and I've never found a club.
Typically, if there's just not roaches in the food, you're like, I appreciate you guys for running a clean.
Thanks for cleaning my plate.
Here, they're like, there's a lot of comedy clubs that just have bar food.
Like, they'll be like, do you want a soft pretzel or some chicken tenders?
Right.
And here, they're like, would you like the duck?
And an old Jewish guy going, come on, eat some more, eat some more.
Did they feed you to have a little bit more?
Order some more?
I was vibing with the owner of this.
I want him to be my new grandpa.
Can I just recruit him?
Can you do that?
I mean, let me tell you something.
With 80-year-old Jews, just tell him he's your grandpa.
He'll probably leave you a million dollars.
That's all it takes.
He grew up, true, around the corner from me.
I mean, you know, five decades earlier, but he lived around the corner from where I grew up.
He grew up, like literally on the next block over.
And we had stories.
He was like, wasn't Brooklyn the best?
And he was like, there were no blacks.
I was like, that wasn't true by the time I got there.
But there was quite a few.
Yeah.
Did you blame his generation for not keeping them out?
Like, come on, man.
Your father's handed you this, and this is what you handed me.
No, it wasn't like, no.
He didn't actually say that, by the way.
Lovely, lovely guy.
He didn't say anything about African Americans.
But he did grow up around the corner from me in Brooklyn.
So that was kind of cool.
What are the odds?
In Cleveland, the owner of the club would be like, have you ever heard of St. John's?
And I was like, yes, that's where I live.
So, okay.
All right.
It was cooler for me than for you guys.
Whatever.
Fuck you, Cleveland.
I don't care about this dumb town with your stupid mall hotel.
All it takes is one weird moment before I'm like, screw this whole place.
I'll burn it all down.
How about that?
I was going to say something.
I really start a fist fight in here.
What happened to LeBron?
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
He's good.
You had him for his best years.
Remember, he left and then he came back and you guys won?
That was cool.
Oh, all right.
Thought I'd win you guys back.
All right.
They're still bitter about it.
They're like, but then he left again, Dave.
All right, fine.
Can't keep him forever.
All right.
So if you guys are, this is a live part of the problem.
What we do is we talk about a few of the news stories that we think are entertaining.
Then there's a question and answer segment.
If any of you guys have anything you want to ask, you can feel free.
We'll get to all of you guys, or at least some.
And so let's do it.
I just made the promise, and then I realized right away, there is a time restriction.
So it's quite possible we won't.
All right, so what do we have, Rob?
You've selected some stories for us.
Yes.
What do we got that's going on?
All right, so the first news story that we're going to address tonight is Hunter Biden.
I mean, sorry, Joe Biden has finally acknowledged his stripper baby daughter granddaughter person.
Hey, who amongst us hasn't hesitated to acknowledge a stripper grandbaby in our family, all right?
We've all been there.
Let he who is without sin.
And so, I mean, I can't see it from here, but I believe the quote was he said, we're so excited to welcome the new grandchild into our family, and I can't wait to sniff her.
I think that's what he said.
I mean, meet her, meet her.
My bad.
It was, I can't wait to meet her.
That's actually how Bidens do a DNA test of a kid.
Because Joe just sniffs him and he goes, that's mine.
Is that why he's always sniffing them?
He wants to know.
He's got a lot of kids out there.
I thought it the whole time he was just trying to find Hunter's stripper baby.
Yeah.
Every time he sniffed a kid, he was like, nope.
No.
Close, but no.
Well, the weird thing, so I don't know how many grandkids.
He has eight or nine grandkids.
So he's been seven.
Okay, well, whatever it is, he's been referring to one less than this one for a while.
And a lot of people were like, you know, you have one more.
Like, it's just from this stripper who Hunter Biden knocked up.
And he finally acknowledged that he does have one more grandkid.
I don't know.
The whole thing, the article seems to indicate that Joe Biden is like, yes, she's mine, and we wish her nothing but the best.
Which is still not that great.
No, not at all.
You're like, what do you mean you wish her?
We all wish her the best.
Like, the point is, what are you doing for her, you psychopath?
I wish someone the best is what you say about your mortal enemy in public.
That's the turn of phrase.
Like, if a murderer murdered someone in your family and they were going to jail, you're like, finally, justice is served, and I wish that guy the best.
Yeah.
That's the way you use that expression typically.
Yeah, like, what was the expectation that you were wishing her the worst?
You're like, well, I'm not wishing death the worst.
Right.
Well, they probably were for a while and they realized it wasn't going away.
But it is pretty fucked up.
Like, look, I don't, of all the things about Joe Biden, his family isn't really the most important thing, I guess.
But it is a little bit weird.
That's your grandkid.
And the question is like, oh, you acknowledged her.
And there's not just like, what are you doing for her?
She's being raised by a stripper.
Like, give her a million dollars.
It's all coming from Ukraine.
So just give it to her anyway, you know?
Fucking, can't Hunter cut 10% off for the little girl?
Yeah, just in the circle of shell companies, just make her one of them.
Hunter has to be like, listen, sweetheart, this is awkward.
I've spent all that money on crack.
And I know it was a lot of money that came in, but it has been gone for years.
And if it wasn't for that crack, you never would have been conceived.
So you're welcome.
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
All right?
Lesson number one.
Right.
Lesson number two, your mom's a stripper.
It's very funny.
I guess, like, typically, I guess even you lie to kids about, you know, where they were conceived.
They don't usually read in the newspaper, oh, my God.
I tell them both.
The couch.
There you go.
That's where me and my mom and your mom made you.
Not my mom.
Okay, anyway, that came out all wrong.
Can you imagine reading in the newspaper the dad being like, yeah, I don't remember having had sex with that stripper?
Yeah, that's right.
I was doing a lot of crack at the time.
But daddy doesn't love you.
It's not a great start in life.
Sure.
Okay.
So what's going to come of this, Rob?
What do you think?
What, of the child?
She'll probably end up following in her mother's footsteps and becoming a stripper is my guess.
That wasn't exactly my question, but probably an accurate answer.
Right.
No, I was thinking like of the pressure on Biden.
Now that he acknowledged this, do you think they're going to make, like, I don't know.
I think everyone in the media acknowledges that Biden probably won't remember this.
So you can't hold him accountable.
That is true.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
And they'll be like, you acknowledge your grandkid.
And he's like, I don't care.
No one says that.
And they'll be like, no, you said it.
Here's the tape.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, Hunter Biden's got a little stripper crack, baby.
God bless her.
God bless America.
It is sad.
You know?
Like, I don't know.
I almost feel like in a weird way, like, there's part of you that's like, okay, it's not politics.
That's his own family issue.
But then to me, I'm kind of like, isn't that kind of more important than politics or any of that shit?
It's like, yo, aren't you making sure your grand, like, Joe Biden could make sure this little girl's okay, you know?
Like, he could.
And he's just not.
Like, move her into the White House.
Strip her, mother and all, you know?
Let's get a fucking sidcom going out of this thing, you know?
Stripper in the White House.
I feel like that's out of the 90s.
Like, that could have happened.
Hunter Biden's Family Drama00:02:27
That's a great plot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, like, it would be a wacky adventure where she doesn't fit in, but then she turns out to have like the best ideas.
Oh, you know?
Yeah.
Like, she knows how to get even more money out of the Ukraine.
Yeah.
She has stripper tricks.
And she knows like who's really screwing Joe Biden over.
And then she weirdly stumbles on Jill, you know, on the phone with like the lizard people one day.
And she's like, Joe, your wife's a lizard.
And he's like, I'm not trusting a stripper, but then she turns out to be right.
And then she actually teaches Kamala how to be charming.
No, Rob, it's a movie.
It has to be something possible that happens, you know?
I took it too far.
Yeah, it's like Hollywood's not going to buy that.
Right.
But anyway, we had a good idea.
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All right, so that's not the only Biden family drama.
We also had that Marjorie Taylor Green is getting in trouble for the following incident in Congress.
Trump Pulls Numbers Out of Ass00:10:52
I don't see a problem.
Okay, so Marjorie Taylor Greene, you know her?
She's quite normal.
And sometimes I even agree with what she says, but you're like, does it have to come out of the mouth of the craziest soccer mom in the history of the world, you know?
But doesn't she have the vibe of like a soccer mom who's furious with the refs?
Yeah.
But like way too furious with the refs.
Like at a certain point, you're like, it's just a kid's game, you know?
This mic isn't that good, huh?
No?
Okay.
So what is the rule now, Rob?
What are they going to do as a result of her holding up a sign of the son of the president getting a blowjob?
Right.
Well, personally, I know people say, hey, this is beneath us or whatever, but I like anytime porn can solve the world's problems, I feel better about my life.
Uh-huh.
Sure.
I feel like it validates the research I'm doing at home and leads me to believe that in the future, maybe all of my hard work at home might actually benefit society.
Well, it's also, you know, I don't know.
Looking around the room, I feel like there are some people here who are around my age.
So old.
Is that the age?
Yeah, 80.
But do you ever, like, if you're around my age, I think a lot of us are kind of thankful that there weren't cell phones with video cameras when we were in high school.
You know what I mean?
Because I wouldn't be here with you.
Like, I would be ruined.
I mean, if there were, like, if, you know, sometimes you'll see, like, these college kids who get drunk and they make a video and it just ruins their life.
I would have made so many of those if there were cameras when I was that age.
And so I'm like, thank God there was it.
Because the more technology advances, the more you just get to these weird points.
So I remember when I was a kid, they would have hearings about like Bill Clinton getting a blowjob in the Oval Office.
But like today, if that was happening, he wouldn't even be able to say, oh, I never had sexual relations with that woman.
Someone would be like, here it is.
Here's her deep throating you right on the deck.
You were on the phone with Saddam Hussein while she did it, you know?
And like now this is what the president's just got to look at this and go, oh, shit.
What was Clinton saying to say, you got to get yourself an intern.
I'll send you one.
They're so good.
Well, the other thing that's great about this is Hunter in that picture, that's actually, I believe, a paralegal.
I can't even look at, just by Hunter's posture, it looks like she's biting it a little bit.
You know what I mean?
Like he's like, what are you talking about the teeth?
So apparently that prostitute that he moved across straight lines was also a legal employee of his.
And somehow he's not in trouble for sexual harassment.
So I look at this and I'm like, oh, Hunter Biden actually is a good lawyer.
I'm like, now she worked for me.
No, so this is what made this.
He tried to write it off.
I watched this like two weeks ago, so I don't remember that.
What made this compelling was that she had pictures of people who were clearly involved in sexual acts with Hunter Biden.
She was claiming that they were prostitutes, and maybe she proved that as well, but they were definitely both moved across state lines, which is stupid horseshit, but it proves a crime.
And then also that he was taxed.
That was tax deductible.
What we're seeing in this picture right now, he deducted that from his taxes.
He was getting his dick notarized right there.
That's what was going on.
Before she started blowing him, she went, Do you have two forms of ID?
All right, let's do it.
So, on that basis, it's not completely like, yes, it's ridiculous to get up and, but if there's corruption and they're ignoring obvious crimes and you can make a Jerry Springer statement like this of look at what the crimes are, I respect it's savage, but I respect the move.
You know, these live episodes are almost never monetized on YouTube.
And I'm starting to understand why.
All right, guys.
Check this one out on Rumble.
All right, so of course, it was Raskin who is going after her.
And my first gripe with Raskin is that I can- He's a Muslim?
No.
Evidently?
He's got cancer, so he's covering.
Oh, it's a thin line between Muslim and cancer.
We all know that.
But I'm offended by that because, like, how much do you dislike bald people that you'd rather dress like a pirate?
Like, that's like a bug.
It's very offensive to say, just shave your fucking head.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You so think that I look terrible, you'd rather that bullshit right there?
Like, you're like a fan of the.
He goes, listen, Rob, I'd rather look like a character from Aladdin than walk around like you.
He looks like he's a male maid in Aladdin.
That's what that look is.
He goes, Now, if you excuse me, I have a carpet ride to jump on, you bald freak.
Yeah, it is.
It's very offensive.
I agree.
Here's the question.
So, what's the rule that's come of all this?
Okay, so here was the quote from Raskin addressing this.
Okay.
If Rep Green's completely gratuitous and irrelevant display of pornographic images at our televised hearings does not violate the congressional rules of decorum, then we have no rules of congressional decorum.
So basically, they're saying you shouldn't be allowed to show porn in Congress.
What he's trying to say is keep it in elementary schools where it belongs.
That's the Democratic Party position.
Guys, this is really more for six-year-olds than any of us.
I think if it's irrelevant to what's going on in government, good for you for making government more interesting.
Yeah, well, I got to agree with you on that.
All right.
So let's move on to, we've got Donald Trump is in a whole load of trouble.
Okay, so this is really interesting to me because there's a video here.
Donald Trump has this kind of like he's got this bravado about him, you know?
But right now, it actually seems like the whole system is really turning on him.
And it's not just like before, they're not just claiming he's a Russian spy.
It looks like they're really going to throw this motherfucker in jail.
And there's this video of him arriving to his arraignment.
And for the first time, you actually kind of see Donald Trump.
You can tell he's actually shook.
Like he's actually like, I might go to jail.
I'm not necessarily going to be the billionaire in a gold-plated house.
I might actually go to jail.
Play this.
It's really interesting.
You see the vulnerability in him.
Oh, I'm kidding.
He only has one speech.
You know that.
Donald Trump could be getting the electric chair.
And he'd be like, this whole chair is gay.
The whole thing's ridiculous.
You call this a chair?
I have way better chairs than this electric chair.
He would do that thing the whole time.
He's just have as much fun for five minutes as Donald Trump is having in his entire life.
It's insane.
He thinks the whole thing is just hilarious.
He somehow has the energy levels of that six flags guy.
Remember the six flags guy?
Like, how is that a 76-year-old who's eating McDonald's?
How is that possible?
Like, I've never been this happy in my whole fucking life.
It's like the way in your joke you describe your kid.
Like, it's unbelievable.
Pull it back and just play him coming out of the car again.
It's so great.
Just the way he bursts.
He just loves the spotlight so much.
Where did he pick me?
Did I need to experience 80s disco to have these moves just to be able to show up wherever?
Don't you feel like for five minutes before they got there, he was like, watch what I do when we pull over.
It's going to be a great scene when I get out there.
He's just so, he loves being in front of people.
Like, he just feeds off the energy.
Okay, this was, we also have the video of him at a speech talking about the charges being brought against him.
Here is...
Democrats, Marxists, communists, and fascists.
Indict me.
I consider it actually a great badge of honor.
I do.
It's a great badge of honor.
Because I'm being indicted for you.
She's saying, that's good.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
And I believe the you, I believe the you is more than 200 million people that love our country.
I believe that.
It's 200 million people.
He just pulled that number out of his ass.
I love that.
200 million?
What do you get that from?
Yeah, like he got, what did he get?
73 million votes?
And even if he claims there were more than that or something, he jumped up to 200 million.
He added all indicting all 600 trillion of us.
He added Biden's votes and then doubled it.
And then you get your 200 million.
There you go.
But it's just amazing that he is.
And by the way, I will say, politically speaking, that's a fucking risk.
This is the weird thing about Trump.
Like, he's such a bumbling kind of inspector gadget type character.
Like, you always feel like there's some penny running around him, just cleaning up all the messes.
But then he'll have these moments where you're like, oh, that's actually a really brilliant political strategy.
Like, that's a perfect thing to say.
Like, they're not indicting me.
They're indicting you.
You know?
And then you almost make all of his voters feel, even if they're just like someone in a trailer park somewhere.
They're like, you ain't going to indict me, Nancy Pelosi, you know?
And like, it's great.
I'm going to show up to that big building you have in the middle of Washington and walk around to showcase that you can't steal this from me.
Dude, are they really going to put him in jail?
Can you imagine him in jail?
First off, I don't know what Trump's morning routine is, but I feel like there's a lot to create that.
Indicting You Not Me00:09:33
You know what I mean?
Like, I feel like five hours into jail, Trump looks like a very different person than he looks like in general.
But I feel like he'd still be just yelling at all of the guards.
Like, he's just like.
Like, what does Trump look like without a spray tan and horse hair?
It's just what is that?
It's just Joan Rivers in jail.
You know what I mean?
And he's just sitting there.
He's like, you know what I'm talking about, God.
This guy voted for me.
I can tell.
He voted for me.
And you're one of the 300 trillion who voted for me.
I can't imagine it happening.
I don't know.
It seems just as weird to me that he'd be president again, that he'd go to jail again.
None of it makes sense.
But we'll see.
What's that?
Come on.
None of it would be surprising.
Okay.
I was expecting something and he was really just agreeing with me.
What did you say?
Oh, what I just said.
All right.
Talk about a great sitcom.
Donald Trump goes to jail and his roommate is that shaman guy.
Oh, my God.
Imagine the hijinks.
Yeah.
Shaman guy teaches him yoga.
Donald Trump, I don't know what he teaches.
I don't know.
I don't know.
They get a conjugal visit and it's hunters, strippers, baby mama.
And it all ties together.
Yeah.
I bet that'd be a good conjugal visit.
If you have to get one.
And then Marjorie Taylor Greene can show it on the congressional floor.
Everybody.
We'll see if this new proposal passes and then maybe she can't show it.
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All right, so this might be my favorite conspiracy that I've ever just randomly come across on Twitter.
Ooh, this is, okay, so hold on, let's set up the background story.
Does everyone, do you guys know that there was someone who died on the Obama estate recently?
Okay, yes.
So a person died.
This is what's...
Yes.
So first, they reported that it was just some random person that had nothing to do with the Obamas or anything like that.
Then it came out that it was Obama's private chef, but who had like he...
He's been vaccinated?
That was a great...
God, this guy's good.
There's a reason why I bring him with me everywhere I go.
Well, then it came out that he had like been, I don't know if he was fired or quit, but he was his former private chef or something like that.
And then at first they were like, oh, Obama, Barack, and Michelle were out of town.
They weren't there.
Then it came out that they were there.
So it's like all these different like conflicting stories.
But evidently, there's a picture of Barack Obama.
This might be completely altered.
I'm getting this from Rob.
I don't know if he's verified this at all.
But evidently, Barack Obama has been spotted with a Kentucky fried chicken hand.
Is this real, Rob?
And so this was just a random Twitter spotting, and I was like, that can't be real.
But then I found the exact picture from, it's always good to hear from you.
Another random Twitter spot?
No, no.
It was from the UK Daily.
What's that?
Daily Mail.
Thank you.
It was from the Daily Mail.
So you know it's real.
I mean, it's not the Wall Street Journal, but it's also not a random Twitter page.
Okay, so this is in the Daily Mail.
All right, that's something.
And so what they're saying, so he's got some tape on some fingers.
It looks like maybe a black guy, but he's black, so you can't tell.
Yeah, you can't tell.
That just is what it is.
But you know what?
I look at this and I believe he beat up his chef because it looks like no one was feeding him.
That's what I'm seeing here.
I'm seeing a guy who looks like the one black guy who survived Auschwitz.
That's what that looks like.
It doesn't look great.
No.
Also, can I tell you, this is why I don't believe this picture is because Barack Obama wasn't beating someone up.
If he was going to kill someone, he would drone them.
That's what he does.
You know what I mean?
Everyone's got their move.
He would call an adjustment.
This is his signature.
That's his Mortal Kombat fatality.
That's the way that would happen.
Well, isn't it...
I mean, look, dude, that's a great joke, but isn't it, you're really touching on something that I think is fucking...
So I talked about this when I was on Patrick Bed David's show the other day because he had just gotten in a thing.
Yeah, he's great.
I love that guy.
So he had just gotten...
Yeah, he's fucking...
He's a monster.
But so I just got, he had gotten in a thing with Anthony Weiner earlier the day, that day, and then I went on the show later that day.
And he had brought up all of the people who are adjacent to the Clintons who have ended up murdered.
Oh, what a great client.
And Anthony Weiner is just morally outraged about this.
You're badness.
He was like, how dare you, says the guy who sends dick pics to 15-year-olds.
Anyway, which is really something to see.
Like, once you're outed for sending dick pics to 15-year-olds, you really can't be morally outraged about anyone else, you know?
But he was talking about this, and I mentioned this when I was on the show because the topic came up.
And I was like, well, why is it that we're supposed to think it's so crazy that these guys would have someone killed when we know that they've had hundreds of thousands of people killed?
Like, it's just called foreign policy.
But, like, you know what I mean?
Like, okay, I understand some of you can separate the idea that the government launching a war is completely different than you just killing someone or you just hiring someone to have someone killed.
But if it was any other organization other than the government, like if you just had a job where part of the job was hiring someone to kill people, and then you were accused in your private life of hiring someone to kill people, and I went, they would never do that.
Wouldn't you kind of be like, well, yeah, no, they totally would.
Because they do that at work every day.
You know what I mean?
And so there's just something interesting about that where people will be like, oh, the Clintons had these people killed.
And people go, there's no way.
And you're like, well, I know they've had people killed.
We all know they've had people killed.
Obama is literally, he was quoted as saying, and I quote, I'm very good at murdering people.
You can go Google Obama.
I'm very good at murdering people.
And there's an intern who will tell you this is what he said to him.
And he was talking about the drone bomb campaigns.
Like he was like, yo, if you're a terrorist, I'll fucking murder you.
And also, if you're within 100 miles of a terrorist, I'll probably murder you too.
He didn't say that verbatim, but that's really what the track record demonstrates.
Or just at a wedding with some kids.
Or maybe we just misread some cell phone data.
But anyway, it's just like borrow your friend's phone in Pakistan.
Just why is it so crazy to assume that the guy who killed people professionally would maybe have someone killed privately?
It's like if you heard a story about me being at home with my wife, and they were like, Did you hear what happened when Dave was with his wife?
He was cracking jokes.
And you went, He would never.
He would never do that.
I can't imagine him doing that.
And you're like, Didn't you just sit through like an hour of him doing that?
And you're like, Yeah, but that's work.
He wouldn't bring that home with him.
So it's just very weird that like people even like have this reaction.
And I just kind of go, I mean, I don't know, but when someone who's a professional murderer has someone die on their property, I'm willing to go, let's ask the professional murderer about what happened.
Is that crazy?
I heard that the reason that he had the guy murdered was that apparently the chef was feeding them organic food and it made Michelle grow a dick.
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So that happens.
You got to be careful with your organic stuff.
You think that's what happened is he just walked into Michelle's bedroom by accident.
He just walks in and he just goes, Excuse me, ma'am, what a hog.
Oh, no.
And she's like, come on, come kayak with me.
They did her like Fredo and they just brought him out there.
No, it's cool.
We're totally cool.
Come on out to the lake.
I heard you saw something.
I can't do it.
I usually go.
I can't do it right now.
I usually have it.
I haven't done them in a while.
All right.
What do we go?
All right, so we got one more topic left, which is we're taking what a man or female can convert themselves to like new levels.
Like this is new that I guess you can be male, female, female, male.
We all know that.
I'm used to that.
So what are you going to say that's going to freak me out?
Wait, what's happening here, Rob?
The dog right there?
That's that's wait a minute.
No.
Rob, what are we looking at?
That's a dude dog right there.
Yeah, hold on, buddy.
Hold on one second.
Pause the video.
Pause the video.
Are you telling me that this is a trans dog?
I mean, if you want to call it that, but yeah.
Man spent $14,000 to become a puppy.
Hold on, close this part.
I want to see the actual dog again.
Okay, first honest opinion.
Passes.
I'm just saying.
If I just walked by that in a park, I'd be like, there's a dog.
It's not till he moves in a certain way where you go, I'm not buying it.
I don't think that's a dog.
And just standing completely still, you'd be like, I think that's a dog.
And by the way, in terms of like a lot of the transitioning, I don't understand, but if this lets you hump women in the park, I get it.
Okay, fair enough.
I love the idea of a...
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I just have questions.
Yeah, please.
So where is this?
So luckily it's in Japan because if it was China, he might get eaten.
So.
Yeah, no one wants to convert.
Dogs are trying to convert in China.
They're going, I identify as a fucking, I don't know, a Uyghur.
Yeah, so that's better than a dog.
That's a Japanese man with $14,000 to spend to live out his dream of being an animal.
It's a reasonable price.
Not bad.
What is that?
Is that costume made of real dog?
Oh, you know, it must be.
It must be.
That's kind of fucked up if you identify as a dog to have a dog murdered.
So that you could be a dog.
So that you can be a dog.
Yeah.
Well, you know, look, I don't mean to offend.
I know there's probably a lot of trans people here, and I don't mean to offend any of you.
But is this the logical conclusion of all of this?
That at a certain point they're just going to go, I mean, if you can identify as whatever you want to identify as, then fucking, let's fucking have some fun.
I believe this is going to be like proof that this was a good idea is when someone wants to identify as a fire hydrant that likes being peed on.
And then people like this are peeing on it, and then you know that that actually was from God.
Wait, what?
Because then...
I'm not following the God part.
I'm saying if we live in a world where a dude likes getting peed on and a dude likes identifying his dogs and science is able to bring those two people together so that the dog person can pee on the fire.
Fires could just be dudes pissing on dudes.
They were always around.
We didn't have to go through these lengths.
It didn't cost $14,000.
Yeah.
You just got drunk at a party.
And the next day pretended it never happened.
Yeah.
We've all been there.
I say this isn't legit unless he super glued it on.
You know what I mean?
The trans people are playing for real.
They're cutting shit off.
Like, this is not, they're not just going for a walk in the park.
So inside of that dog is some Japanese dude sweating his balls off.
Yeah.
That's what you're telling me.
And he basically looks like that dog.
And how much did he have to pay for the white woman to walk him around all day?
What did she want?
Was she like $13,000 of the $14,000?
I think that's those are very cheap in Japan.
They're expensive in America, but you go to Japan.
I don't understand the economics of that because you think they're more rare.
Was it $14,000 or 14,000 yen?
No, after they converted the yen, it was 14,000 of our real money.
Okay, by the way, I just asked that question and acted like I know.
I don't know if the yen's weaker or stronger than the dollar.
I just go, are we talking dollars or yen here?
Because it's a whole different story.
No, that's like a million gazillion yen to get $14,000.
Yeah, the yen's weak, right?
I mean, we nuked you.
The yen's got to be weak.
Yeah.
What's a fucking yen worth?
And they're still trying to pay off that favor that we did for them.
We nuked you into pretending you're dogs.
Don't tell me your yen's stronger than our dollar.
We're going to be a victim of radiation.
We might actually owe this guy money for what we did to him.
All right.
Is that the last story, Rob?
Let's open it up to some fucking questions.
Anything you guys want to talk about, let's talk about that.
All right.
Rob will come around.
Anyone who's got a question, feel free.
We got one right here in the front row.
I don't know exactly what the best way to fucking navigate around.
Wait, can I open up with the first question?
Sure.
Can I get another whiskey?
Is that a possibility?
Thank you.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on, Rob.
You got the first one.
I'll take the second one.
Can we make it two?
Excellent.
There we go.
All right.
I'm going to hold him up.
All right.
Thank you for finally coming to Ohio.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
All right.
So political.
That was a very like a rock type of answer.
Finally.
Dave Smith.
Political parties, are they a necessity?
And why don't we talk more about just abolishing them outright?
Yeah, well, I definitely don't think they're a necessity.
I don't think any of this shit's a necessity.
You know, I don't think government's a necessity.
So I definitely wouldn't say political parties are a necessity.
But I don't know.
I mean, like, I'd be fine to abolish political parties, but it's kind of like it's a weird dynamic where you're like, okay, so the problem is there's these two really fucked up evil parties that ruin everything.
And then you're kind of like, well, then we kind of need our own party to fight against them.
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And so if you're just saying abolish all the parties, I would, if we were, if there was a way to do that, I would be down to do it and just have everyone run as a fucking individual.
I think that would be so much better.
But that's not going to happen.
So we almost, in a way, it's like, well, I'd rather have a party that kind of stood for that, which essentially to me is what the Libertarian Party is, is that it's like, okay, well, here's the party that says all these parties are bullshit and we should judge people as individuals.
So I get your point.
It'd be a much better world if we didn't have Republicans or Democrats or any of that shit.
But I don't know how exactly to make that happen other than just pray to the Michelle Obama dick gods.
You know what I mean?
That's the best God.
Yeah.
It is.
That's the only way to really make something happen.
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All right.
So dumb question kind of for both of you, but with the powerball being a million dollars for the payout, what would...
How much is it?
A billion?
It was a billion for the last jackpot.
I guess somebody won.
But what would each of you do with a billion dollars?
I wouldn't talk to Rob anymore.
That's a good question, Rob.
What would you do with a billion dollars?
Me?
Yeah.
Well, a billion dollars becomes $500 million after taxes.
So we're talking about $500 million.
Yeah, man.
Fuck the government.
It already got me pissed off at him.
These fucking crooks just made $500 million.
Firstly, I definitely buy myself a big-ass chunk of farmable land, and I'd build myself a nice compound, probably buy myself a nice comedy club.
I'd buy a nice studio.
And then I'd basically have my farmable land, maybe a couple rental units, and live my life exactly the way I'm currently living it.
Yeah, I think that's not bad.
Like, you know, I'd take care of kind of all my family and friends.
I don't have any, so I would just do the farm.
I'm just comedy clubs.
I'm not being that generous.
I'd take care of all my family and friends.
So that's $50,000.
And then I'd go.
No, but you know, like, that's like the first thing I kind of discussed.
Scrooge McDuck pit of just the gold coins, and I would just sit on top of it like a dragon and be like, I enjoy having this.
I'm not spending it.
I'm just going to sit here and enjoy that it's mine.
That's what I would do.
I think of a, I think a kind of similar thing.
I'd buy like a big fucking plot of land.
I'd try to like really start like a fucking, you know, a big plot of farmable land and have a bunch of my fucking crazy libertarian friends there.
And then I'd probably, I'd, I'd, you know.
And you got to buy the people that can actually farm it.
So that's also a part of it.
Yeah, but that's, that's cheap.
I got, I got $500 million to play with here.
I think I'd probably try, like, I'd try my best.
Ooh, thank you.
I'd probably try my best to like become, I don't know if it's not enough money to do it, but I'd try to become like the libertarian George Soros, you know?
Like for everything evil he is, I'd be on the good side.
Like try to fucking fund like local like sheriffs.
That's probably what I'd really fucking attack.
To just let everyone off the hook.
Yeah, basically.
Pull them over.
Like you try to target what's the best thing to target.
It could be kind of the Mises caucus strategy just with way more money.
But it'd be like target like sheriffs and school board, you know, like people, like libertarians, just defend the Constitution people and like all the local positions that matter.
And, you know, then I'd buy my wife enough things to shut her up for a while, you know?
I just really.
Yeah, it never works.
She'd go right away.
She'd be like, that's not nearly enough.
But, and yeah, I don't know.
What else?
Yeah, I guess that's what I could think of.
Okay.
If we're going to talk money, how much to shill out to the Fed?
Become part of the system?
How much for me to sell out to the system?
I wouldn't be any good to them.
I mean, I don't think I would sell out for any amount of money.
Like, I could sell out for an amount of threats.
Does that make sense?
Like, there's not an amount of money.
I already do well enough that, like, money, like, I'd like more money, but I'm fine.
And, like, I don't really need more money.
So it's not like if like, you know, if someone was like, here, we'll give you a fucking $50 million if you just start saying you love the Federal Reserve or something like that.
That's not interest to me.
But if they were like, yo, we'll kill your family unless you say that, I'd be like, I'm listening.
So like, that's, I could, I could be threatened into being compromised, perhaps, but I don't think I would ever, there'd be any amount of money.
But 50 million, yeah, probably.
I'm just kidding.
Okay.
So I have this little friend named Forrest Mommy.
That is.
That's just the way you said that.
It was like, is she teeny and in your pocket right now?
Yeah, she's my little bestie.
But she's running for our Arveda city council under the LPMC and under in Colorado.
And I'm just wondering what you find more important.
Do you find federal elections more important or do you find local more important?
Do you find that fight more important than the federal one?
Well, I mean, like, federal elections are more important, but they're less winnable.
You know what I mean?
So in that sense, like local elections are more important because they're things that we could actually win.
Federal, like, federal elections are, are nothing, any, like, good people shouldn't get overly concerned with federal elections because we're never going to fucking win that shit anyway.
So, to me, I think, like, the, uh, this has been the Mises Caucus thing the whole time, right?
Is that it's like, I think the whole point for people who believe in liberty, the whole point of a federal election is to just try to make as much noise as you can and then to try to use that to win local elections.
So, the local shit is the most important by that metric, but it's not like, you know, the next president isn't going to be fucking whoever the liberal.
No, it's not going to be me.
It's not going to be whoever the Libertarian Party runs.
That's not going to.
Well, okay.
Well, that's, that's three.
So that's great.
But that's not the point.
That's never been the point of anyone who you want to run from the Libertarian Party.
The point has always been like to fucking make noise and try to like move the needle and then to use that to like, you know, get some energy on the local level.
So I think that's, that's the most important thing.
Rob.
Jessica Fatski in Colorado.
Jessica, okay.
What's the website?
JessicaFileskanks.com.
JessicaFensky.com.
JessicaFensky.com.
I will check it out.
Oh, yeah.
No, I know who that is.
I've met her before.
I met her when I was in Colorado.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, absolutely.
All right, absolutely.
Hi, Dave.
What's up, brother?
I'm doing well.
People keep asking if you can get Scott Horing on Joe Rogan podcast.
I've never thought of it.
Hold on, but a true intellectual would ask, do you get Scott Horing onto Legion of Skanks?
It's, I don't have the poll.
I'd love to.
I just, I don't know a guy who can do that.
That would be fun.
I mean, I love Scott on Rogan.
I don't see why, like, I don't see the Skanks.
I don't think it's good for anybody for him to come on Legion of Skanks.
But Scott Horton on Rogan would be fucking incredible, man.
But, you know, I'm working on it.
So you talked about the Obama's chef dying on Martha's Vineyard, as long as the Kennedy's mistress running off of a bridge in Chapquittick, which is also Martha's Vineyard.
Is Martha's Vineyard now cursed?
Oh, it's the ghost of Martha's Vineyard.
It's not the politician.
Wow.
Yeah.
They're all just good people.
There's just a ghost out there.
Yeah, targeting the staff.
The ghost doesn't like the poor people on the island.
And so it drowns them in the waters.
I guess we figured it out here today.
Great question.
Thank you, sir.
That's more likely than these politicians are just fucked up.
All right.
So this is questions for both of you.
Okay.
For many people that listen to your podcast, you do the heavy lifting of daily news, things that we should know.
What are your top three Twitter ex, whatever we're calling it now follows?
Thomas Massey is my number one.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
You mean for like polling news topics or just like, I feel like Canoka the Great's been coming across my feet a lot.
Love that.
Love that account.
With like really good shit.
Love that account.
I love, I'll give a few shout outs here just while you're mentioning it.
Kanoka the Great is great.
Was it Chief Nerd is a great account?
I, let's see.
Tom, fuck, what's his name that I always cut?
No, let me, hold on.
Let me literally pull this up right now so I don't feel like a dick because I'm just, this is not anything about him.
I'm just retarded.
Tom Elliott is an incredible account.
He's like, you guys know Libs of TikTok.
He's like that, but just with the corporate press.
Like almost most of his account isn't even like a commentary.
He'll comment sometimes, but most of his account is just like showing you what the corporate press said about something.
And then he'll just like do like these, what he calls super cuts, where it's like, oh, hey, super cut, this is what they were saying last year about this.
Now that we all know it's bullshit, and just be like, oh, this is what they were saying about Hunter Biden two years ago or whatever.
He's great.
And then like, you know, all my like OG libertarian accounts, like Scott Horton, Tom Woods, all those guys are great to follow.
And I'd say all the like, like if you really want to know what's going on with shit, there's like the anti-war and the Libertarian Institute guys are great.
So like Dave DeCamp, Keith Knight, a whole bunch of those guys are just like incredible if you really want to know what's going on.
I know I'm missing some.
I hate like the, I appreciate the question, but the problem is like whenever you ask that question, I'm always like, shit, I know there's one, but I'm going to be like on my way home tonight and be like, I should have said him.
Why didn't I mention that?
But I'd say those for starters.
I have a question on your perspective as a father.
What your opinion on Ed Choice is, especially considering we got a letter in our mailbox just a few days ago stating our daughter's tuition would be increasing per whatever is coming out with Ed Choice and the scholarships available.
Wait, hold on.
So your daughter's, her tuition is increasing.
Is it a private school?
Yes.
Okay.
And so what's the increase?
To be determined.
It's not yet been released for the upcoming school year, but will be apparent as of the following year.
Wait, hold on.
I'm sorry.
Wait, so you're...
They're structuring it so they get the Mac.
Let the man do the talking.
Let's do it.
Give me us the actual information.
I'll be honest.
Lady, all I'm hearing is gibberish.
If I can hear from your husband right now, you just started, hey, that's my husband.
Let him talk because we could have just.
What did you say?
Shopping for shoes or something?
All right, sir.
Sir, what's your hysterical woman trying to say to me about school choice?
I'm just kidding.
I'm honestly, I got no idea, Dave.
No.
So they're raising it.
It was about $1,500.
But this is a private school tuition.
And how old is your kid?
In kindergarten?
Five and three, but this is the five-year-old.
Okay.
So they're raising it to squeeze the most out of the program.
Okay.
Which I kind of get behind, I guess.
But yeah, that's really it.
They're squeezing it to get the most out of the Ed Choice.
This guy sucks too.
Just what's the fucking question?
Okay, so you're raising your private school costs, but what does that have to do with school school?
I think they mostly just want to know about what your opinion on school choice is.
Is Ed Choice just school choice that you get like the $12,000 to go spend at a school?
Yeah, so there's.
As opposed to public school.
Well, we were going to send her anyways, but yes.
Just yes or no.
Did I just describe it correctly?
Yes.
She would like to know if instead of being forced to send your kid to one public school, would you rather get a check for $12,000 to pick where you want to spend the check?
No, she's talking about private school.
So I guess...
Can we just move on to the next question?
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Stop.
Stop, Rob.
I want to understand what they're saying here.
I'm curious your opinion on Ed Choice because since it's been in.
School choice?
Is that what you're talking about?
I've never heard it referred to.
It's called Ed Choice in Ohio.
Every time she says Ed Choice, I'm like, is this a conversation about Viagra?
Like, I'm just such a child.
I'm like, do you mean ED choice?
Because my preferred one is whoever's currently on the show.
It's not Bluetooth, so we're not going to plug them.
It's something else.
Mango, right?
Mango.
Okay.
Edit that, Brian.
My preferred one is Mango.
I love Mango.
All right.
So what is Ed Choice the same thing as school choice?
Is that the idea?
Like, in other words, that you would get like tax credits for whatever you're...
Okay, so I guess, okay.
So if the point is that people are kind of forced to pay property taxes that go toward education, and since you guys are sending your kids to private school, you've got to support the public with a public school system.
And now you also have to pay for this private school system, which is raising its prices.
So there's a few different things there.
Number one, I think that you getting a tax credit for what you have to pay for school is preferable to you just being forced to pay for the public system.
But really the answer is that those taxes should just be eliminated and you should be able to fucking pay for whatever you want to.
That's a much better answer.
Now, the other thing is that having a private school raising their prices is not, you know, that's not necessarily the school's fault.
The truth is that that has a lot to do with inflation in general.
Like, you know, the school's probably in a position where almost all of their costs, as is true with all of us, right?
Their costs over the last few years have drastically risen.
And so now they are looking at a situation where they're like, in order for us to make this work, we have to raise prices too, you know?
So that, like, I'm not, I'm not saying they're justified in doing it, but I could understand where maybe they are.
So it's a whole bunch of fucked up policies that lead you to be in the situation where you have to like pay your fucking taxes for these shitty public schools, then also be in a situation where you're like, I'm not going to send my daughter to that shitty public school.
So now I have to pay for this private school and now pay for them raising their prices.
It's all fucked, but basically the whole problem is taxes and money printing.
And if they would, you know, if we just weren't doing that, then you'd be in a much better situation.
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For the record, I am also in that situation.
My daughter is not five.
She's four.
But I send her to a private preschool, which is ridiculously expensive.
And I also have to pay fucking insane property taxes for the schools that I won't send her to.
It's like an insane system.
It's just absolutely ridiculous.
So there's a million things we could do that would be an improvement on that.
But it's pretty, it's actually, it's like cartoonishly hilarious if you think about it that they're like, you're forced to pay for the school that you wouldn't send your kids to.
And then you're like, with the leftover money, you can pay for the school you will send them to.
And then that school's like, we need a little bit more.
And you're like, oh, all right, great.
I guess those are my choices.
All right.
As the libertarian Tupac, who's the libertarian biggie?
I mean, Tom Woods.
Yeah, I guess Tom Woods is the answer to that, right?
Even though he's kind of the libertarian small-y, I still feel like if I'm Tupac, he'd probably, he'd be biggie.
But I guess that means I get killed before him.
But not if we strike first.
So, hey, Dave, before I ask my question, I just want to say I found part of the problem in December of 2019.
I was a sophomore in college.
And three months later, the world ended.
The before time was gone.
And you and Robbie just saying things that were obviously true made it so much easier to go to campus every day and get screamed at by gremlins.
So I just wanted to thank you guys for fighting a good fight, doing God's work.
Just say, thank you, man.
I really appreciate that, dude.
That's like fucking, that means a lot to me to hear that.
So thank you.
It's a very weird, it's a very weird thing.
I'm sorry, I'll let you ask your question, but it's a very weird thing when you do a podcast.
And it's kind of, especially when it takes off and has a big audience, where it's like me and Rob, me and Rob have been friends for a long time.
We've been friends for like fucking at least like 12 years or something like that.
And it's a weird thing when you and your friend, you sit there and you talk to each other.
But then there's this big audience.
And like you kind of know, like you see the download numbers, but you don't really like, it's not like this.
Like right now, it's clear I'm talking to a group of people.
But when we're doing it, it's just me and Rob talking, you know?
And then you know there's people listening.
But sometimes when I hear back that people are like, yo, this conversation got me through this time or something, that like really means a lot to me.
It's like a cool, because part of the reason we're having this conversation is it's almost like you're reaching out into the void to be like, I know I want to hear this.
And I know someone else wants to hear this too, but you kind of feel like almost like you're on a ship.
Or like, you know, those movies where there's no more like humanity and someone's on like a fucking radio and they're like, if there's anybody out there, like, you know, I know the zombies are here, but like, this is insane.
And then like to find out that someone's like, yes, thank you.
I was thinking the same thing.
That's, that's very cool to me.
So I, I, that means a lot to me to hear that.
So I'm sorry, what were you going to say?
No, um, my, my question is a little bit personal, a little bit political.
So much of this movement requires us to reject all of like mainstream political knowledge, a lot of the cultural traditions, right?
I was raised in traditional Republican households, stuff like that.
So how do you kind of manage the doubt that comes along with that, right?
Like relocating your family because of like political situations, right?
When you're seeing everyone else around you that's calling you crazy, that's kind of looking down and kind of sneering at what you're doing, mainstream society in general.
And also, you know, on a personal level, when you were doing your podcast and just kind of like building your career, building your family as a man, like how did you manage a lot of that doubt and kind of the tribulations that come along with being against pretty much all of broader society?
Can I just interject?
That's a good question.
Before you answer, and I'm sure that was a great question.
I'm sure you got a great answer.
I was listening to this kid and he's got to get into sales.
So I don't know what the fuck he said, but I want to buy something.
She goes, I'm just telling, I was like, juiced up.
I was like, mortgage, like insurance?
I'm in.
I get what you're saying.
How do you manage the doubt?
With a hand job from Rob Bernstein.
That's how you manage the doubt.
That's a great, that's a really good question.
So I'll say, so I became, I was introduced to like libertarianism in 2007.
And like 2007, 2008, 2009, like those years, I really got like obsessed with it.
And I was like reading about this shit constantly.
And so, okay, if I'm, so I was born in 83.
So how old would I be in 2007?
24?
Is that math right?
24, 25?
So whatever, close enough.
So I'll tell you back then, even though I found the idea so compelling, I had a lot of doubt.
Like I would always kind of be like, dude, I mean, I know I believe this thing, but like, do I have this all wrong?
Am I really saying all these wise people have it wrong and I have it right?
That seems a little, and it was almost like the more time went on and the more I read and the more I thought about these things, the doubt got lower and lower and lower.
And just seeing all these people be so obviously wrong made me more and more confident, which is dangerous in a way too, because you want to have doubt.
You want to always be questioning your own views.
But after a while, you're like, you know, like in the same way that you're like, in like 2003, you might be like, maybe George W. Bush is right and we have to invade Iraq, you know?
But then like by 2008, you're like, now I'm pretty sure he got that wrong.
You know what I mean?
Like it just becomes a little bit more obvious.
And then even he's like, I think I got it wrong.
You know what I'm like?
Okay.
But so the more once, so I was, I grew more and more confident.
My doubt was less and less.
And then once I had kids, it really changed where I was like, oh, I have no doubt.
Like, I have absolutely no doubt that I...
I'm going to do what's best for these kids.
And by the time the 2020 shit came around, like when people were like, where I was living in the upper west side of New York City, you know, where they went insane and they were like, we, like, we, and I would, I would go back there a lot because my mother still lives there to this day.
And I'd go back there with my, my daughter when she was two, when she was three.
And there's a playground down the block from my mother.
And like they'd have their kids in masks at the playground outside.
And I'd be looking around at these people and they're giving me dirty looks because I don't have my three-year-old in a mask at an outdoor playground.
And it was like, oh, yeah, I have no doubt.
Like, I have no doubt that I'm not wrong about this.
Like, you people are fucking insane if you think that I'm going to mask up my three-year-old.
By the way, have you ever been around a three-year-old?
Do you know what it's like to try to put a mask on them at a playground?
It's on for two seconds.
Like, I mean, it's just, so it's kind of like the more experience that I've had and the more I've been able, it's like, okay, it's good to always question yourself, but also at a certain point, you're like, I've just seen enough.
I've seen enough where I'm like, no, I know you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
And like, I at least know better than that.
And so that's kind of helped me to like be like, okay, no, I'm pretty confident what I'm saying is more right than that.
Like, not that I'm perfect, but I'm better than that.
You know what I mean?
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So if that makes any sense.
Where are we at, Rob?
All right, let's take two more questions, I think.
Two more?
Is that right?
How are we doing on time here?
Did we get the light or no?
Two hours left.
Six hours.
All right, fine, let's do it.
I'll do it.
All right, Dave.
So 2020, I think, was like a big point for a lot of people that really found like the whole libertarian thing, myself included.
And I was always kind of like the, I just want to be fucking left alone.
And then 2020 happened and it was like, holy shit, this is fucking crazy.
Everyone wants to be left alone.
And that's really when it kind of kicked in.
Like, man, the left and the right are fucking nuts.
So I was introduced to like the whole Mises caucus thing, which is, I know your thing.
But the problem is probably 90% of the Mises caucus stuff, like I agree with.
But you still have, after the whole like Mises takeover thing, that, and for lack of a better term, that fucking autistic screeching that's been going on with the rest of the Libertarian Party.
Like, how do you get, or what is like the plan for the Mises caucus to really try to rally everyone else so we don't get like another fucking candidate like Joe Jorgensen who's just, you know, as stale as fucking possible, to be honest, and just the most uninspiring person ever when you have the people that are the old libertarian, whatever you want to call it, the Mises caucus, which essentially I would consider like the new libertarian.
Right.
They can't even figure their own shit out.
So everyone's mad at everyone else for being less libertarian than themselves.
How do you get the mass amount of people that already don't agree with libertarianism to get on board with, hey, everyone should be able to do their own thing when all these fucking morons can't even agree amongst themselves?
Can I just say, I love this guy.
This guy fucking rules.
And also, I agree.
I don't know how it took this long for someone to describe Joe Jorgensen as stale, because that's great.
She really is the stale bread of the libertarian movement.
Okay.
So, okay, first of all, the LP nominee is not going to be another Joe Jorgensen.
It's going to be someone much better than that.
So I don't think that's something you have to be worried about.
I think that the Mises caucus taking over the Libertarian Party, yes, has this kind of engendered a lot of bitter feelings from the other libertarian types.
That is true, but I also think that's kind of like a molehill in the road to where we're going.
It's just not that important.
These are people who couldn't do anything, basically.
So I think that the Mises caucus has taken the Libertarian Party.
The party is now a radical libertarian party.
Now, your other question of how do we kind of get past that and then convince the masses of people to embrace, you know, like our vision, that's a very daunting challenge.
But it's always a daunting challenge to kind of move things in the right direction politically.
That's just, that's always the case.
And, you know, as crazy as things may seem right now, you know, my grandfather, like, came to age during a world war.
And his father came of age during a world war.
And, you know, you know, like for them, they would be like, how the fuck would we ever convince people to not fight wars against the world?
And, you know what I mean?
It's like there's always kind of major challenges.
And so I just think that you're always trying to like strive for the absolute best and then settle for moving the needle a little bit in the right direction.
So I think that the Libertarian Party went through a major restructuring like over the last year.
And that's had its hiccups and its ups and downs.
It hasn't been perfect, but it's so much better than it being where it was with Joe Jorgensen being the nominee, you know?
So I just encourage people to like, you know, kind of stay tuned and try to help as best you can to move this thing forward.
I think that what Michael Heiss has launched with the Project Decentralized Revolution thing is really the future.
And that's kind of like what we were getting at before, talking about like fucking trying to fuel all of this national energy into local candidates that really fucking matter, local candidates in positions that really matter to make a difference.
I'll tell you, one of the things I realized through fucking COVID and like someone was asking me about relocating and stuff like that.
One of the things that was really interesting to me through the last few years was like I moved out of a very liberal part of New York City into a very conservative part of the country out in New Jersey.
And that's you realize how much it really matters what the people around you think.
It really matters what the culture of your area, your town is.
And like that, that actually matters way more than anything else.
That matters way more than who the president is.
Like whether Trump was the president or Biden was the president, if I was living in the upper west side of Manhattan, like it was going to be progressive as shit around me.
In fact, I was there while Trump was president and it was progressive as shit.
And then I moved out while Trump was president because it was just like they were doing the lockdowns and shit.
And then I moved out to this conservative area where they were like, we're just not going to do that.
We're going to like have our stores open and schools open and playgrounds open.
And so like that actually mattered way more.
My local community mattered way more than what the national politics were.
So in that sense, I think like I think that's the strategy we should be embarking on.
So anyway, I don't think it's going to be a Joe Jorgensen.
I think it's going to be someone who's a pure radical libertarian.
And I think we've got an interesting framework for a strategy.
Now, is this going to fucking take care of all the problems?
I don't know.
It's a pretty goddamn daunting situation we're in.
But I think it's better to try that.
Like the real question isn't, do you have a solution that can solve everything?
The real question is like, do you have a solution that's better to attempt than to not attempt it?
And I think that's the Mises caucus.
I think it's better to try than to just not fucking do anything about it.
So that's what I would say.
Oh, there you are.
Hey, what's up?
What's up, brother?
So I just want to know your thoughts and opinions on this.
I was in the Army for five years, three days.
I just want to know your thoughts and opinions on like a specific time.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm one of the vaccine refusers.
I just want to know what you think.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I just want to know what you think about what happened to us, refusing the vaccine and then them rescinding it, saying you don't need it no more and going back on it.
So you got fired because you wouldn't take the vaccine?
Right.
Jeez, yeah.
Well, that's good for you.
Yeah, man.
Good for you.
Well, that's it.
Yeah.
I mean, okay, so, and the question is, what are my thoughts on them insisting?
I mean, I don't know.
I think it's like the most fucking criminal shit that's ever happened.
Like, I don't know.
I mean, obviously, there's some pretty criminal shit.
I'm not pro the military and you're lucky to be free and out of that racket, but as I offend his lifestyle sitting right next to the fucking Marine.
No, but it is incredible that like their recruitment is down and they've probably fired the toughest motherfuckers they had because the people that were willing to say, hey, you're lying to me, go fuck yourself, were probably the people you most actually want in the killing organization.
Well, yeah.
I mean, the thing about the military, right, is like, from my perspective, from a libertarian perspective, it's like this kind of interesting thing where a lot of libertarians, and by the way, I'll say, I was like this when I was younger, which I kind of regret to some degree, because I think it's kind of like immature, simplistic way to look at things.
But I would just be like, well, you know, like I don't really thank troops for their service.
And it's always, that's always been a thing.
I've never done it, at least, I don't think ever in my life.
I've ever thanked anyone in the military for their service.
And I always felt uncomfortable doing that because my coming of age thing was always feeling like, you know, the war in Iraq was like we slaughtered a million people in Iraq and all these other wars in Afghanistan and Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, like they're all fucked up.
Like we were like the aggressive invader just killing people for no reason.
So I don't know.
I'm supposed to thank you for your service.
Like it kind of feels like a weird thing to do.
So I never do.
And I used to kind of be like, I used to have this real immature attitude where I'd be like, well, you're just like a hired murderer for the government, you know?
And as I grew older and kind of talked to more like veterans, I kind of realized that it's like, look, even if that's true, so many of the people who went over and served were genuinely tricked into doing it.
Or at the very least, were like, went for the right reasons.
Like they went because they believed they were like, no, I'm going over there to defend the Bill of Rights and protect America and all of these things.
And then a lot of them also just because there was like no opportunity and the only way to get any opportunity was to go do that.
And a lot of those opportunities, like I had and didn't have to go do that in order, you know?
And so like you, it just gave me like a more like, and then I kind of realized that it's like, wow.
Okay.
So a lot of these guys who are going there, like, let's say there really was a threat.
Okay.
Saddam Hussein didn't really pose a threat to me and my family.
And neither did Gaddafi or the Taliban or like fucking any of them.
But let's say someone did.
A lot of these guys who went over there and fought, like would have gone and fought.
Like that, in a way, a lot of them were the bravest, like young American boys would go over there and do that.
And so many of them, you know, like, I don't know, what it is, like 30, 40,000 of them have committed suicide in the last 20 years.
Like fucking horrible.
And so the fact that people would be like brave enough to sign up to say, I'll defend your freedoms of this country.
And then after that, and after fucking them over and sending them into all these missions that they, the powers that B knew they never needed to be in, but were just making all these weapons companies billions of dollars, that then they'd go, you're going to lose your job unless you take this fucking experimental pharmaceutical product is, I'm just saying that to me is like, I don't know how I could put into words how fucking evil it is that they would do that to all you guys.
And I really can't explain how brave I think it is that you fucking walked away for fucking not taking that.
So I have nothing but admiration for you for that.
And, you know, as much difficulty as it may have caused you, I think you made the right choice, dude.
There's nothing more important than your health.
And there's nothing more important than your like autonomy.
You know?
Like you being like, no, no, no, you don't fucking control what goes in me.
Like that's that like the most basic fucking thing?
Is it like the worst thing that could ever happen to you is like you fucking get like raped in jail or some shit?
Like it's almost like the worst thing that could happen to you is you get confined in some space and someone goes, I control what goes in you.
Like sorry, is that too graphic?
All right.
Well, you get the point I'm making.
It's like you fucking, you control your life, you control your body.
And I do kind of agree with Rob.
You're probably better off being out of that whole fucking system, man.
So good for you.
All right.
What do we got?
We got one more because I did get the light now.
One more question and then we got to wrap up.
Hey guys.
So I actually just have a comment, not a question.
Well, hang on, hang on.
I just want to say thank you to you guys.
So like I grew up in a very, I wouldn't even say conservative, I would say Republican family.
And as most people do, like in their early to mid-20s, I went through some, you know, an kind of intellectual transformation.
And I went from like Glenn Beck to Jason Stapleton to, until I found you.
And so I just want to say thank you because like you guys, if you don't, I mean, hopefully you hear this enough, but like you guys make like a tremendous impact on people.
Speaking of myself personally, I mean, you guys, you've contributed so much to both like my intellectual growth, my political growth, even like personally.
So, I just want to say thank you to both you guys.
What you guys do, it fucking matters.
Well, thank you very much, brother.
I appreciate that.
That's very, very kind of you.
Let's do, Rob, let's do one more question.
All right, who wants to do that?
Let's do one more question before that, but I appreciate that very much.
Let's go.
All right, right here.
Last question: Make it good or I'll fucking murder you.
Dave, what does Ron Paul mean to you?
To me, he's the fucking, you know, the OG of all this shit.
I mean, Ron Paul, like, you know, he like, I don't know.
It's a weird thing to say.
It almost sounds like so strange for me to say it, but like, Ron Paul is like a father figure to me in a lot of ways, you know?
And I've never had like a very, I didn't have like a father in my life.
And I've only met Ron Paul like six times or something like that.
But something like that.
I don't know.
I said something like that.
It was a weird response.
That's it, motherfucker.
Like, all right, fine.
But to me, to me, what he is is like, you know, I can't say enough nice things about the guy.
I think Ron Paul is the greatest living American hero.
Like the absolute greatest.
Like, and I don't, like, I don't think that's an overstatement.
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Like, this motherfucker is, first off, as someone who has two kids, he's a baby doctor.
He was OBGYN who delivered like 3,000 babies.
So just that alone, I think, would make you like a great man.
And then on top of that, he's a country baby doctor who then just decided because he was like obsessively reading about Austrian economics and war and history.
Like what doctor is doing that?
And then goes, I understand this stuff so much that I have to run for Congress simply to make a point to like let people know this is the path our country is going on.
And he did this in the 70s because we had gotten off the gold standard right after we fought the war in Vietnam.
And he was like, I have to let people know that there's like a path that we're going down here as a country that's going to lead toward like an authoritarian society.
So he gives up his medical practice to go run for Congress and then wins and then goes, I have to stay in Congress to keep fighting all of these authoritarian measures.
And then after that, after doing that for another 30 years, like, first of all, he ran for president in 88, then goes back to Congress in the 90s, then goes, like in 2008, you know, 30 years later, I got to run for president to let everybody know.
And then so many people love what he has to say that four years later, at this point, he's in his late 70s.
He's like, I'm going to run for president again to keep spreading this message because you know what?
There's so much important shit in this tradition of John Locke and, you know, whatever, you know, Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises and all of these guys.
And that I'm going to keep introducing people to these ideas because they're so important for people to know them.
And then he, you know, since then, and then he's like, after he's done, now he's almost 90 and he's still like, I'm going to do a show every day just trying to inform people about what's really going on here.
And the whole time he's done that, he's been married to the same woman his whole life.
I think they've been married for 60 years or something like that.
He's got like five kids and like 25 grandkids or something like that.
Like, I don't know, dude.
He's literally, he's fucking Thomas Jefferson of our generation.
He's just like the greatest living American hero, you know?
And better than Thomas Jefferson.
And like, and I'll tell you this, like, and this is the thing, I literally was saying this to Rob earlier today, by the way, for how much I've ever talked about Ron Paul, that even today we were saying this, is that as much as I hate, you know, progressives and like the progressive politicians piss me the fuck off, it's the thing that still keeps me a member of the Libertarian Party that I'll just never forgive Republicans for.
And maybe this is because this was just my time, is that, you know, say whatever, there was something today, and this is where it came from, was that Rob was telling me about today, I guess Rand Paul and Mitt Romney had some back and forth in the Senate where Mitt Romney was like arguing for why the government should be allowed to like talk to social media companies to tell them who they think's spreading misinformation.
And Rand Paul was like, no, they shouldn't because that's fucking not the role of government.
And I'm just like, no matter what, even as much as the progressives piss me off, and sometimes I feel like I have more in common with Republican voters than Democratic voters, I'm just like, you motherfuckers picked Mitt Romney over Ron Paul.
And I'll never forgive you for that.
You had Thomas Jefferson running for president and you picked Mitt fucking Romney over him.
It's almost like you deserve everything you're getting, you know?
I know that was 10 years ago, but like you deserve it.
You deserve your kids to be trans for what you did to Ron Paul.