Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire condemn government overreach, citing John Kerry's jet denial and pre-pubertal hormone blockers as proof of elite hypocrisy. They argue that abandoning marital vows for personal gratification harms children, contrasting this with Trump's election interference charges which they view as a corrupt judicial trap. Ultimately, the hosts assert that societal collapse stems from eroded responsibility and a ruling class prioritizing wealth extraction over truth or family stability. [Automatically generated summary]
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There's been a fun viral video going around on the interwebs that is entertaining and fun to watch.
But I think it was one of these things that when I saw it, I was like, oh, it really did hit on something interesting.
Actually, it hit on several, on several levels.
It really hit on something interesting.
So let's play it and then we can talk about it.
It features former Secretary of State John Kerry.
So I just don't agree with your facts, which began with the presentation of one of the most outrageously persistent lies that I hear, which is this private jet.
We don't own a private jet.
I don't own a private jet.
I personally have never owned a private jet.
And obviously, it's pretty stupid to talk about coming in a private jet from the State Department up here.
Just honestly, if that's where you want to go, go there.
A few moments later, you just testified under oath that you never owned a private jet.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to enter into the record article here from February 15th, 2023.
The John Kerry family private jet was sold shortly after accusations of climate hypocrisy.
Mr. Secretary, do you stand by that testimony that you've never owned or family?
I your family.
Personally, yes.
My wife owned a plane.
All right.
So it's funny and silly and the curb your enthusiasm.
Music makes it nice and entertaining.
Capturing all those people's faces makes it nice and entertaining.
But there is really something to this.
And it's like, you know, for all, you see all of these establishment politicians and establishment kind of corporate media, you know, supposed journalists.
And they're all so outraged about kind of like the populist energy in the country.
And you're like, look, right.
If you want an answer for why there's such populist energy in the country, doesn't that just sum it all up?
In many different ways.
Doesn't it just sum it all up?
Like there's, it's not just like the blatant, it's not just the double, like the double standard, I think is what it's at the heart of it.
On top of that, it's the fact that you have these people who are like a person like John Kerry is just so, what an ability to just completely be a cold-blooded liar.
You know, to look at you, look at you right in the eyes and go, this is just an outrageous lie that I've never owned a private jet.
I don't own a private jet.
I didn't fly on a private jet.
I don't know what you're talking about.
And you're like, but it says here that your family owns a private jet.
He goes, yeah, my wife, my wife owns a private jet, sure.
But like that, I don't know if that's her thing.
Have I flown on my wife's private jet?
Sure, lots of times.
But I've, but it's like, wait, what?
Again, it's, it's kind of, I guess, a version of Michael Malice's, you know, factual, but not truthful type things.
I guess he can claim I didn't lie under oath because I said I have never, and oh, it was in my wife's name.
But like, come on.
We all know what's going on here.
And it's just like, how many examples of this do you need where the kind of like ruling elite class are just so blatantly full of shit?
How many?
Too many to count for sure.
I don't know.
Any other thoughts on this, Rob?
Because I have a couple other angles that I'd like to discuss.
But what do you think?
The private jet thing is such a fun little thorn in their shoe that, you know, because they make this claim of climate change, it's happening right now.
It's an emergency.
We have to make drastic changes.
And that's why I got to fly in private jets to make sure that we can get it done quickly and efficiently.
That's why it's important for me and my, and it's, I guess, just a funny little stat of just how much carbon is emitted from a private jet versus your car or any of your lifestyle decisions.
And he's even just being evasive with the, I don't own a private jet, because it seemed like the lie angle he was trying to go for is he realized he can own a private jet.
So he just pays to travel via private jet, which might as well be the exact same thing.
You're still doing something that's incredibly extravagant, comfortable to you, but you're not even willing to make the small sacrifice of being in first class in the nicest lounge, in the nicest airport, just flying first class, like a normal person of privilege.
You need to be in your private plane.
And even that whole lie about it, well, I don't own one.
And then he got busted even on that lie because it's like, well, you did.
Well, that was my wife's.
Just showcasing that they will look you right in the face, work every angle that they can to be at a minimum distruthful, but they have no problem lying.
Don't kid yourself.
It's, I do think that there is a theme here that, I mean, I don't know how many different issues I could rattle off here, but there's just this theme of like rules for thee, but not for me.
You know, this kind of double standard of where the, and that's, it's right at the heart of the whole climate change insanity is, oh, look, the, um, whatever, climate change is such a disaster that we have to tackle this.
Now, what do we have to do in order to tackle this?
Well, every single policy prescription is that the little guy's got to suffer.
Every policy prescription is like, we have to have a tax on gasoline.
We have to ban the car that you like to drive.
We have to ban the stove that you like to cook on.
You can't drink out of a plastic straw anymore.
you got to drink out of a paper.
I got credits for what was free from me now.
If you want to consume air, you're now going to have to purchase it from me.
I'm the only person you can purchase it from.
And unless you're purchasing what used to be free from me, we can't continue as a species.
Yeah, you may not be able to have a hamburger anymore.
You may not be like every single proposal is something that's going to make the average working class guy's life harder.
And meanwhile, they're not even, look, even if you're saying, let's say it's John Kerry's wife.
And she's the one flying around.
Well, hey, shouldn't you be like putting some pressure on your wife to not be flying private?
I thought carbon emissions are like your big issue that you care so much about.
No, no, no.
They don't need to do any of that.
It's the same thing as like these socialists who are multi-millionaires, you know, want to talk about how awful income inequality is, but they have no interest in like just doing something where they could actually close the gap in terms of income inequality and some affect some real person's life by giving them a bunch of your money.
They don't know that we don't want to do that.
And this is true on so many different issues across the board.
So many issues.
Of course, this was on full display during COVID, where you would see all of these people, whether it's all of it Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein or Gavin Newsom or any of them who are the advocates of everyone's got to mask up.
But then we all see pictures of you not masking up.
Oh, you can't have dinner indoors, but then you're having dinner indoors.
AOC, what was it at that gala event where she's literally sitting there and they're all not in a mask and all the servants are in masks?
You know, it's just this like constant thing.
And it's, it's pervasive throughout so many policies.
You know, it's like the people who live in gated communities will explain to you why you don't need a wall between Mexico and the United States of America.
The people with armed security will tell you why we need gun control.
You know, it's like over and over and over again.
They literally, they advocate policies that destroy public schools while they send their own kids to private schools.
So it's constantly advocating these policies that you will suffer from that they are completely immune to because they're outside of the system of these policies.
Like it doesn't apply to them.
So they're constantly demanding that you sacrifice.
But not only that, not only that, if you don't agree that you should suffer while they are above these policies that they push, they demonize you in the most vicious ways.
You know, if you're like, hey, I think we should build a wall because we can't just have hundreds of thousands of migrants crossing over the border every month.
They're like, whoa, you're a horrific racist.
And let me go back to my Beverly Hills mansion in the gated community.
If you, you know, while they have armed security around them, if you're like, well, I think I have a right to have whatever weapon I want to protect me and my family, they're like, oh, I guess you just don't care when kids get shot up in a school.
You know, like at every turn, you're demonized in the most vicious way for opposing the thing that they don't suffer at all.
They don't suffer.
The parents who go down to yell at the school board officials because they're like propagandizing their children in public school, they get called terrorists by the parents of people who send their kids to private schools.
Like it's really, it's unbelievable.
And I think there's always like this is always true to some degree.
It is always true that elites will benefit from things that the regular person won't have.
But the level to which they're pushing sacrifices by regular people, the level to which they're demonizing regular people for objecting to these sacrifices that they're being told will be enforced on them, mixed with the level of how much society is crumbling all around us is what's leading people to hate your guts.
That's what's really making people hate you with a passion.
It's kind of interesting to see how far you can push this.
How far you can push people on this, because now it kind of comes off like, it's almost like America feels like some type of going out of business sale.
And the elites are like, let me just get whatever I can for it.
Pennies on the dollar.
Let me just extract as much money out of this system as I can before the music runs out and people realize there's not enough chairs and the whole thing comes crashing down.
And that's kind of the vibe that you get from a lot of these elite types.
But I just can't like it's, it is one thing.
You know, it seems to me like in previous generations in America, and I'm certainly not saying there wasn't like corruption and, you know, fucked up things because there always was, but it does, it did seem like elites would kind of be like, yeah, I'm going to live this elite life while other regular people don't get to do that.
Well, some of that might have been deserved.
A lot of it probably wasn't, but whatever.
That's what it was.
There's always going to be elites in any society.
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And they would kind of be like, but to like make my image seem a little bit better, I'm going to like build a library or a museum or something like that.
And they'll put a plaque with my name on the side of it.
And then I can kind of pass myself off as this good guy because I did something.
And it's like, okay, but at least there was a library there.
You know, like at least there was a museum or whatever the hell they would be building.
At least there was an opera house.
There's an opera house with a plaque with some billionaire's name outside of it, but at least there's something there for people.
Now it's kind of like, oh no, we're going to like support people who are tearing down all those things.
We're going to advocate that you sacrifice more and more.
And then we're going to lecture you about it when you don't.
How do you not have contempt for someone like that?
How would it possibly work?
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And I know that this is a cynical perspective.
Normal people might look at this and go, look at how important global warming is and how noble John Kerry is, that he's willing to work in this position.
But I see a guy who pretty close to being president.
Then he was secretary.
He's like top of the pile.
Also incredibly wealthy.
He's got all that Heinz ketchup money.
This man don't have to work.
He could be flying around enjoying those private jets without having anyone criticize him.
But it does seem like on paper, it would seem that this would be a position beneath John Kerry, that this is not a job that he want to take on.
This is a role-playing job.
Why would someone like John Kerry revert to a role-playing job within an administration unless this is a critical thing to the elites and the powers at B is, oh, we need one of our primetime players going and selling this?
Yeah.
Oh, there's something to be said for that.
And yeah, you're right.
I mean, John Kerry was very close to being president, and then he was running the State Department.
Those were pretty prime time jobs.
And if you want to look at the Democratic bench of competent people that you could try and sell, like he would be top of that pile.
He'd be top three names.
If you were just swapping out Joe Biden with any random Democrat, he's pretty high on that list.
Well, it's also just to kind of add to your point there.
This is also what Al Gore kind of went into.
I mean, not in the exact position he's in, but both of the Democrats who lost to George W. Bush, both in fairly close elections, Al Gore in an incredibly close election, they both went on to go, okay, we're just going to play this position of selling the climate change agenda.
Like that's simply what we're going to focus our life's work on.
And yeah, I mean, I think there's no question that this is a powerful plan for the elites, much in the same way that COVID was.
It's, you know, they really enjoy these enemies being things that are very intangible.
Like abstractions, you know, if your enemy...
Sorry, hold on.
That's an error.
I was trying to look something up.
No problem.
You're good.
You're good.
You know, if your enemy is, let's say, the whatever, the German military or something like that, well, then there can at least be a strategy to defeat this very tangible thing.
You know, okay, well, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to have an offensive from this angle.
We're going to have, you know, missiles drop over here.
We're going to have an air campaign.
Okay.
You could take them out and then declare victory and then be done.
This is a major part of the reason why after 9-11, we didn't just go to war with Al-Qaeda or go to war with even Iraq or the Taliban.
We went to war with terror because like that war can go on forever.
That's like a blank check to just, you give me all the money and power for whatever I say is the next thing.
This is why they love, you know, wars on inequality.
Isn't that nice?
Inequality.
If people aren't equal, we're against it.
Well, that's, you're going to have a lot, a lot of battles to fight in that campaign.
And they love, you know, things like COVID, where all of the sudden you're, it's a, it's a floating abstraction, you know?
We're going to war with the virus.
You can't see it.
You don't know if you have it.
You don't know if you're giving it.
So now all of your, and, and what is better than just like the climate?
There's the climate.
It's out there.
It's changing.
Everything you do is affecting it.
It's now just a blank check policy for any type of authoritarian measure that you can think of.
Anything that might be helping the climate?
And it really is like, it's hard once you're outside of the matrix.
And like, I know there are people who are like, you know, I know there's like blue-pilled people out there who could, you know, be like, well, but this is what all the scientists have the consensus on.
And it's like, okay, you got to look into this a little bit more, read some perspectives that disagree with you.
But once you're outside of it, you're like, isn't it so just blatantly a religion?
This reminds me of a, you remember that old South Park episode after the financial crash where they all start praying to the economy?
They're like, oh, oh, economy.
We have angered the economy.
And it's just, it's just that.
It's all the climate.
We must all think about the climate.
Meanwhile, you can tell how much these people don't believe in it.
You know, it's like when you find out that like, you know, whatever, it's like some priest high up in the church and you find out he's got like three side pieces or whatever.
And you're like, oh, you didn't even believe in any of this.
You're just preaching this to everybody else while you collect the collections or whatever.
That's the vibes that John Kerry gives off.
And on that religious note, it seems like the system they really want is where you have to pay the equivalent of pittances just for things you used to consume.
They track you.
Hey, you're over your meat allowance.
You're over your carbon allowance.
You're over your this allowance.
And they're going to create a structure where you're purchasing it from them.
And you know why?
Because when they built a windmill, they didn't capture, they didn't count any of the carbon in terms of building that piece of equipment because that was a carbon reducing equipment.
And then on a daily basis, they're manufacturing a reduction of carbon.
And so you can buy credits from them.
So they have all the carbon in the world.
They're allowed to consume as much as they want and you're limited.
And the only way you get to consume more is by buying permission slips from them for things that you used to be able to do for your entire lives.
You're actually going to pull it off.
I'm not sure.
But that is what they're looking for.
Well, look, I mean, I'd say think about it like this, right?
It's very easy.
And I can understand where someone, when you start saying something like that, they could go, all right, but like, that seems so far-fetched.
Like that, really, we're going to be living in this dystopian world.
But it's like, look, there's a lot of shit that we've lived through in the last three years that would have seemed very far-fetched.
If you had described them at any other time, the idea of the government making it illegal to go to work or have a funeral for your dad, to be issuing lockdown edicts, you know, that would have seemed really crazy, like two weeks before it happened.
Okay.
And anytime before that.
And if you think about it like this, look, we know that there's at least a group of very powerful people within occupying significant positions of authority that certainly would have had it.
Like, look, Joe Biden's, say, OSHA executive order, where he said any company with 100 people or more has to fire anyone who's not vaccinated.
That was struck down by a judge.
Okay.
So there's somebody else in a position of authority who wasn't on board with that and struck it down.
So I'm not saying it's like this, the cabal runs everything or something like that, clearly.
But if that judge hadn't struck it down, they would have that.
That would be the law of the land.
And like, it makes you wonder how a lot of people who are with this program, if there wasn't anything standing in their way, if they were able to get public acceptance on a lot of these issues that they don't, if they were able to get some of these judges who are a thorn in their side to not strike down some of these policies, how far would they take this?
Is it crazy to think that there wouldn't still be vaccine passports in all of these cities if there hadn't been so much pushback against them?
If businesses hadn't been losing so much money and there hadn't been so many people upset about it, is it crazy to think that we'd have a central bank digital currency already right now if they thought they could get away with that?
There's being a major push.
It's not just a coincidence that some of the most powerful people throughout the Western world keep bringing it up, keep talking about how this is their proposal.
Do you think we wouldn't have that right now if they believed they could get away with it?
I'd bet everything I have that we would be living under that if they thought they could get away with it right now.
And then what would that mean?
You know, I mean, like we've seen kind of like all of the clamping down on domestic terrorism already.
As I mentioned before, we've seen pissed off parents labeled as domestic terrorists.
Is it really that crazy to think that if we had this central bank digital currency and we had, and these guys were able to get away with more of what they wanted to, that they wouldn't put something in like the things that they keep flirting with, like you were just mentioning, a meat allowance, a carbon emission allowance.
I mean, why would, listen, if you're saying, I don't know if you, you remember, Rob, when we were in Rochester, New York, there was the time we got protested.
We had the like Antifa juniors outside or whatever they were.
And I remember me and you joking about this where they were like, they were like, there's Nazis doing comedy here this weekend.
And I was almost like, hey, look, if you really believe that we're Nazis and we're being given safe harbor here, you know, to like perform.
So like, like rush the stage.
Bring a gun here.
Do something, right?
Like, why are you, that would be your response to Nazis would be to hold a sign outside and say, we don't like you.
It's like, if you really believe this, then what would you do?
And again, to all of these people who believe in this climate religion, it's like, well, if you really believe this, then why wouldn't you do all of the things that you're talking about, Rob?
Why wouldn't you, if you really believed like we're all going to go extinct, as Bernie Sanders says over and over again, that the world will be uninhabitable for our children.
Yes, right.
If that's real, then wouldn't you be for any measure, no matter how draconian it is, to make sure children can live on planet Earth?
That's what they're telling you.
They're telling you that this is the case.
So perhaps it perhaps it would behoove us to take them at their word.
And I'm also pointing out the technical of already how they're setting things up, that any pollution or carbon that's used abroad in order to create a device over here, once the device is here, that's when we start looking at the emissions.
So if you, for example, used, I don't know, make up a number, a gillion, gazillion trillion tons of carbon to create a carbon reduction device that then gets shipped over here that's owned by John Kerry.
Now he can operate it and just say, look at their carbon I'm reducing and then sell you carbon credits, even though he's done no good for the world, hasn't actually done any reduction in carbons, he magically gets a box here that he can turn on and pulls carbon out of the atmosphere.
He gets to sell you carbon credits for every single time that you're over your allotment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's really, it's, it's really like something to watch it all, to watch it all, like how it shapes together.
But it's like, I don't know, particularly one of the, at least for me, I was always like of this mindset, or at least for many years, I was of this mindset of like, yo, what these people would get away with if you would let them, you know?
But after the last three years, I think we don't have the luxury of just pretending that that's just kind of an idea in your head anymore.
You just kind of have to take it a lot more seriously.
It's like, oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Like they really mean it and they really will go for it when given the opportunity.
And there's none of this just kind of like feeling of like, well, they'll do that to like the people of Iraq.
They'll do that to like, it's like, no, no, no, they'll do that to us.
They're quite happy to do that to us.
You could argue you should have cared just as much when it was the people of Iraq, but human beings being what they are, we tend to care about our own a little bit more.
You can't pretend that doesn't exist anymore.
Not after the last few years.
All right.
Any other thoughts before we move on to this dude in address?
Oh, okay.
My favorite topic.
All right.
So this is a video you sent me, Rob, which really, I don't know, also just sums up how insane and ridiculous the state of things in this country is.
But here is, what's this beautiful lady's name again?
Sorry, I always blank out.
Rachel Levine.
Dr. Rachel.
Rachel Levine to you.
Rachel, that's right.
That's right.
Okay.
So let's father Levine to his children.
So he's a different Levine to all sorts of different people.
Depends on, he was football player Levine if you went to college with him, or maybe it was high school.
I'm sorry, say that again.
I'm saying he was a different Levine to different people in different era.
Oh, yes.
That is true.
Just ask his kids who he fathered.
Yeah, to his kids, who no one seems to be interested in how they are dealing with their father being paraded around as the highest ranking woman in the military or whatever.
You know, to them, this may not be so great, but that's not really what anybody cares about.
And yeah, from what I hear, he was a football player, right?
Okay, let's play the clip.
Admiral Rachel Levine is a pediatrician and the assistant secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services.
She's the highest ranking openly transgender federal official in the country.
What would you say to folks who think that they're being reasonable by saying, why can't children just wait till they're 18?
Adolescence is hard and puberty is hard.
What if you're going through the wrong puberty?
What if you inside feel that you are female, but now you're going through a male puberty?
The argument is, well, they're too young to know.
I want to make it clear that for pre-pubertal children, there are no medical procedures done.
The standard of care allows them to explore that with therapy.
Admiral Rachel Levine is liar, liar, skirt on fire.
I mean, look, it's just, you got to like, again, as I almost always have to disclaim when we talk about this, it's like, I never want to talk about this shit, but when you have such powerful people like really pushing this insane of an agenda, you're left in a position where it's impossible not to.
And especially when they are talking about targeting children.
So what do we even say here about this?
It's like you're a crazy person and you're now insisting that we push this craziness on children.
Now, for her to say, for, I don't know, for this dude to say that, well, we're not, you know, there's no medical intervention in pre-pubescent children.
And it's like, yeah, that's true.
You'll just confuse the shit out of them before the age of puberty, right?
You don't need hormone blockers or, you know, any of this stuff at that age, I guess.
But then the question is, well, what about people who say that kids can't make these decisions?
Which essentially what the argument is, is that children can't consent.
This is really something to be in such a targeted way trying to undermine that idea that children can't consent.
And you can think about all of the creepy implications of trying to undermine that idea.
They sure seem hell-bent on undermining it.
And her response is, well, what if you're about to go through puberty, but you're going through the wrong puberty?
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And that's like, well, what do you mean by wrong?
That's something you just made up in your own head.
What do you mean the wrong puberty?
And what about if you're taking a puberty blocker that's going to ruin your bones for the rest of your life?
Or it might turn out that it was the right puberty and then you can never go through what was the right puberty.
Right.
And that's the whole point.
First of all, how do you even decide what's the wrong or right?
This is a fact of nature.
It's not like, so, and this is the other thing about this.
There's like two simultaneous things that are going on that are both really disturbing is that number one, it's it's a very concerted deep attack on the principle that children can't consent, which is, again, as I said, very creepy.
And then number two, it is like this, like a war on God.
It's like a war on nature, a revolt against nature, as Murray Rothbard might call it.
Where you're like, well, this is the wrong puberty.
Saying something is the wrong puberty is like saying, when I jump out of my window, I'm pulled down by the wrong amount of gravity.
What if that's the wrong amount of gravity?
What if you feel like gravity should be holding you up rather than forcing you down?
What then, Rob?
Well, I don't really care if you think it's right or wrong.
It just is.
And you can't change everything that just is.
We are limited by the laws of reality.
Now, yes, we do in many ways develop technology that can alter, you know, some of our nature of our environment.
But the idea that you're going through the wrong puberty and that you can just choose to go through the right puberty or not go through that wrong puberty.
And why is it wrong?
Because as she says, it doesn't match their feelings.
But now, of course, this becomes like a circular argument.
You go back to like, yeah, but what are you talking about?
The feelings of a child.
And then you're left back with the original question.
Can a child make this type of decision?
Can a child make an irreversible lifelong decision?
And as has been demonstrated in a lot of the literature, in many cases, they don't make the right decision.
Now, you could argue in all cases they're making the wrong decision, but there's no question that many people do this and regret it.
And many people, if they don't go through this, will ultimately just decide it was the right puberty and live their life as the sex that they biologically are.
What a bizarre thing.
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You know, we talked a few episodes back about that, um, the comments that Patrick Bed David had made about, you know, tolerance and where tolerance goes wrong.
And there's something, this, this was like the perfect example of that to me, where you have somebody who, um, you know, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but like you have somebody who's just clearly like an insane person living an insane life who's now preaching everybody else join them.
And I, I wouldn't even say, look, you have the right to live your life however you want to, but at a certain point, I think we also have the right to be intolerant of this and to be like, yeah, no, Like nowhere around me or my kids will you be talking about this shit?
Sorry.
This is too goddamn weird.
We have a right to have some standards.
I'm not even saying we should have like crazy strict oppressive standards.
I'm just saying some, somewhere in the realm of sanity, somewhere in the realm that a man, a grown man in a dress doesn't get to start talking to you about how difficult puberty is and how we should medically castrate kids so they don't have to go through that puberty.
Sorry.
That's that's over the line for me.
Seems pretty reasonable, but maybe I'm missing something.
I think there's a particularly cool, cruel perspective coming from Rachel Levine here, in that even if you went through, let's just say you were male and you identified as a female.
Let's say that was what you identified as.
And let's say you even made that decision as an adult.
And let's say you were a really wealthy male that identified as a female and you could get the best possible and, you know, female parts and technology.
You came out.
You look like a beautiful lady.
You've got all work and equipment.
It's all going great for you.
You know what's the one thing you're still not going to be able to do?
Probably the quintessential part of the experience of being a lady, which is birthing a child.
And I think there's a lot of women who found a lot of satisfaction in that process.
That's going to be true if you go from female to male as well.
You'll be opting out of a part of life that I've not participated in, may or may not down the line, but it certainly feels like if we're on the on the earth to do one thing, it's probably to procreate and that that brings people a lot of joy.
And so no matter how much dress up and pretend you do, you will never be able to serve that one thing that brings people incredible life, joy, fulfillment, and meaning.
And it's something that Dr. Levine did because he waited until later in life before he transitioned.
Doesn't it seem particularly cruel, even if you opted into this entire worldview that like you're, you got a successful career.
You did the whole operation as a male.
You had your kids.
And now you're spending retirement as a lady because you seem to enjoy that too.
Why are you preaching for people to do it earlier in life when that's not even what you did?
And you can hear him talk about the joy that his kids give him.
Like I've heard him say that in other instances.
So like, why are you depriving other individuals of that?
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's, it's interesting, you know, the way you mention that.
And look, like, obviously, like, I've, I've got little kids and I talk about them fairly often and how much joy and meaning I've gotten from the experience of being a father.
It's the best thing I've ever done in my life.
Now, just to be clear, I think there are people out there who shouldn't be parents.
And I'm not anyone to tell somebody like, you should have kids.
That's the right thing to do.
I think there's a lot of people out there who aren't, wouldn't necessarily be great parents.
Now, if you're, if you want me to give my complete honest opinion on that, I usually think the people who really shouldn't be parents, that's usually because they were broken in some way.
Like they had some issues in their lives that led to that, them being in that place.
Still, that doesn't mean the best thing to do is have kids, especially if you don't have your shit together to some degree.
And I know, and I'm sure everybody knows bad parents, you know, who like are not, shouldn't be parents.
But just like objectively speaking, if you were going to find something that you could make the most objective argument is the meaning of life, there's nothing that you could come up with that you would have a more like a more sound objective case for than having children.
It's literally what we're hardwired to do.
It's how our species continues.
And it's the reason we're all here.
Everybody here, you have your existence because two other people had kids.
That's like the process that created you.
And it's the only process that continues the species.
So it's pretty important, you know?
And I've always kind of felt that, look, we all, first and foremost, we all enjoy life because it was given to us by our parents.
In addition to that, we also enjoy so many luxuries because of what previous generations have done.
So we all, you know what I mean?
Like, and me and you can have this conversation over the internet, you know, in homes with electricity and air conditioning and we have food.
We're not like concerned about any of that.
If we get an infection, we know we can go down to a drugstore and get some penicillin or whatever, some more than others, Rob, looking at you.
And we're, you know, we just, we enjoy a standard of living that for, you know, thousands and thousands and, you know, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years would have been unthinkable.
And this is true even for people who are really broke today.
You, you just enjoy a standard of living that your great grandfather and everyone before just would have thought unimaginable.
And we enjoy this because so many generations for for thousands of years before us worked their fingers to the bone quite consciously thinking about what would be better for the next generation.
Quite consciously going, we're going to do this so that we can pave the way for the next generation.
Do something for, you know, it's the old saying about it's it's men who plant trees that they know they will never enjoy the shade of.
Like you're doing something for the next generation.
And so I kind of do feel like whether you have kids or don't have kids, there is an obligation, not that one that should be enforced with violence or something like that, but there is a personal obligation that you hold to try your best to kind of do something for the next generation that comes after you.
You got so much from previous generations that it would only be right to at least try to not fuck it all up for the next generation.
Maybe even try to add a little bit in some way if you can.
And one of the sickening things about this is that, and this is true about a lot of things in our society today.
You know, you can think about this in terms of like the debt, in terms of that we just like, there seems to be no emphasis on like, what's best for the kids?
What's best for the next generation?
It's more kind of this incredibly selfish, like you said, like, well, I just, I'll be happier in my later days living as a lady than I will be living as a man.
You're like, okay.
Like, how is that for your kids?
Does anyone even give any thought to that?
Like how painful that is for the kids?
You know what I mean?
Like, how, like, I just say, if I could try to put myself in this perspective, like one of the things that one of the reasons why I have a really great marriage with my wife is that we both have, and this isn't really something we had to talk that much about.
We were just both like this.
We were these type of people that we just put our kids first.
Like our kids come first in our life.
That's what's important.
Every day we're home.
Everything's about what are the kids doing today?
What do the kids have to do?
What's best for the kids?
That's it.
That's like what comes first.
And then after you've gotten all that taken care of, maybe there's something like fun for us to do after.
That's kind of like the way we operate.
And if there was, let's just say that you coming out as trans very publicly was going to like in a, in a very profoundly deep way, hurt your children.
Like this was going to be incredibly painful for them for you to do this.
I would just not do it.
Period.
That alone would be enough.
No matter how I felt inside, no matter what feelings I had about my biology not being correct, I just wouldn't do something that was going to hurt my kids on that level.
Would not happen, period.
Now, I can, okay, I don't know exactly what it's like to be in the mind of like a transgender person who believes they're a different sex than they actually are.
I don't know what that experience is like.
But I would certainly expect you would, you wouldn't do it publicly if there's a chance it would hurt your kids, if a chance it would humiliate your, your ex-wife, if there was a chance of any of this, that you just wouldn't do that.
And there's no even thought of that.
It's like we're in this like insanely weird place as a culture where we're just like celebrating the decadence of the individual.
Like it's just like, if you're talking about Bruce Jenner or like any of these other like, you know, like really public eye, you know, trans people who have had families and kids, it's all just about like, oh, they're living their experience.
This is who they are.
This is what makes them happy.
And it's like, does anyone even for a second think of like the destroyed family in the wake of this?
Like that's not even, I mean, just like imagine, like, if, you know, like, imagine if there's like some, a husband and a father who's just like, you know, I just, I got to an age, you know, I, I married my wife when we were in our 20s and she gave me four kids.
And, you know, we, we kind of raised the kids together in a house.
And then when I got in my 50s, you know, I just really started, it really hit me that, you know, who I am on the inside is that I love banging 20 year olds.
And so I left my family and I moved to the Bahamas and I'm just banging 20 year olds down here in the Bahamas.
And like, I'm not with my kids or my wife anymore.
You know, she gave me the kids.
She had four kids.
She's not 20 anymore.
My, whatever, you know, I'm leaving my family and doing that because this is who I am.
I just really here celebrating myself.
Why would anyone look at that as anything other than like, oh, you're a, you're a bad person.
You're genuinely like, this is horrible what you've done.
You've like abandoned your greatest responsibilities.
There's nothing like you're like, oh, it's so great that he's just really living as what he identifies and he's really exploring himself.
And this is who he is.
And you go, girl, you got to shine your light or something like that.
Wouldn't this just be such a perverse backward way to look at things?
You'd be like, no, like, by the way, there are guys who do shit like that.
There are pieces of shit guys.
But we're not under any obligation to celebrate them.
Is this guy banging poor locals or hot Taurus?
Rob, you get to fill in the hypothetical here.
What do you think?
How does it change the equation for you?
You're like, I mean, if it's poor locals, that's a little scummy, but like, ah, Taurus, I don't know.
But you get my point.
This is like, why are we, why are we celebrating like adults doing whatever feels good to them?
I'm sorry.
That's like, to me, not like the highest noble goal.
In fact, I think it's the exact opposite.
I think that it's like, that's like just doing whatever feels good is a very childish, somewhat forgivable and adolescent way to live.
If you're living your entire 20s like that, I think you're starting to fuck up.
If you're doing that into your 30s, I think you're really starting to fuck up.
But the whole value of being an adult, the thing that's noble about being an adult and what also is much better than being a kid is that it's not just about like whatever feels good for you in the moment or however your feelings are.
What it becomes about is responsibility.
And oftentimes that means responsibility for other people who depend on you and doing something with a low time preference, you know, doing something for the future, not just trying to, you know, not living your life around like the difference to me between being like an adolescent and being an adult is in many ways, it's not just like, I'm not doing something about, well, what's going to,
what's going to create the most fun night tonight?
Like when I'm, when I'm planning something in a day, I'm not like, oh, there's a party on Saturday.
This is going to be awesome.
We're going to go have fun.
I'm thinking about like, what's going to put my family in the best situation in 10 years?
I'm thinking about, okay, you know what I mean?
Like that's what being an adult is.
It's like thinking on a longer time horizon.
It's one of the big differences between childhood and being an adult.
Like it's not, you're not just thinking about like the immediate gratification.
And there's something very sick on a societal level, on a societal level about celebrating adults who are acting based on what makes them feel good, quite possibly to the detriment of their children and life.
It's like, why, why would we have to celebrate that?
It's just, I don't know.
It's very, very strange.
And it's a thing that's, I think, we, I think we've been to one degree or another embracing this for many decades.
It's now gotten to this like cartoonish level.
But I think the beginning of just embracing that and getting away from the idea of embracing like responsibility and morality has not been good.
I think it's not been good for our society.
And like, you know, I think this has been going on for a long time.
I think there's a lot of truth to that just in kind of like in normalizing like no fault divorce and things like that.
That's again, not making the argument that it should be illegal, but just I'm making more of a cultural argument that it's just like it became a normal thing that like like divorce statistically is horrible for children.
Not saying in every single case there are exceptions in abusive relationships.
It's, it's often beneficial for children.
But for, for the most part, we're looking at things broadly speaking, it's a disaster for children.
If you look at your likelihood of all types of horrible outcomes, they are drastically higher in broken families.
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There's also you know, people with step parents.
I was just reading this the other day.
It's something insane.
It's like you're 400 times more likely to be the victim of abuse as a child if you have a step parent.
Like it's like, so I'm just saying, like, not saying that's true in every individual situation, but as a society, to embrace things like this is to embrace statistically much higher rates of negative outcomes and abuse for children.
And the idea that it was just kind of like, we just kind of normalized like, yeah, two people have been married.
They've been married for 15 years.
They got three kids together.
And they're like, we're just not feeling it anymore.
We're going to divorce each other.
And there's not just like all of this pressure that's like, yo, like, no, that's not acceptable.
Like you have to make, you made a vow before God and everyone that you'd be together forever.
That's what the vow was.
Like at least some pressure like that.
Now, I'm not saying that that means that you have to paint some like right-wing extremist position in your head.
I'm not saying that like we should be horrible to people who are divorced.
I'm not saying divorce is never the right answer.
It's just like there are some standards that you have as a society.
And the standard that it should be like nothing.
I remember there was this guy who was, he, he was a dad.
I didn't like know him super well.
And so I'm not even claiming like I exactly knew the situation, but he was, he, he was a father of one of my, my baby brother's like friends when they were like eight or nine or something like that.
Like one of his best friends, they, they had two boys.
They were both around the same age.
And they were like maybe eight and 10 or something like that.
And the dad just walked out on the family and walked out of the family for some younger chick just bailed on him.
And I remember just kind of thinking to myself, like, like he works, he, he was like a Wall Street guy.
Like he made a lot of money at a good job.
And I remember just being amazed, like, not that that should be illegal or something, but like in some sense, I remember feeling like you don't have a right to do that.
Like you, and what was crazy to me is I'd go like, wait, so there's all these people he works with, all these friends he has who all know that he did this.
You know, they all just know he did that.
How are any of them still talking to him?
How are any of them just like, yo, what?
Like you can't, you're not allowed to do that.
You could just bail out on your family.
This is just totally unacceptable.
And I think that in a sense, if I tie it back to like libertarianism, I think in some sense that you're like, you like, you either have to have, as Jeff Dice likes to say, you either have to have like external governance or internal governance.
It's like either you're going to have like laws that regulate these things or you're going to have some type of cultural forces that regulate these things.
Anyway, I wasn't expecting to go on this entire rant, but it does make me think about it when related to this whole like trans topic.
Like, is it crazy that that just never comes up?
Never comes up in the debate.
Like, what about the kids involved here?
Does anybody care about them?
And then, of course, I mean, that's not even talking about the kids they're trying to push this stuff onto.
I'm just talking about the kids of grownups who come out as this.
Because this, it's no one concerned about that.
Because to me, that's actually much, that would be much more of my concern than whether dad really feels like he should be a woman.
I don't know.
The whims of adults just aren't that important to me.
Like, okay, yeah.
Sometimes you got to do shit that you don't want to do.
So you don't feel like doing.
Anyway.
Okay.
So that was, that was a longer rant than I planned on giving.
Sorry, Rob.
It's all good.
Sometimes you see these demon creatures and the spirit of Christ compels you to preach.
Is that what just happened to me?
That's what just happened.
Did I just catch the Holy Spirit?
I think so.
Maybe I did.
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All right, let's get back into the show.
All right, let's do one more, one more of these stories, Rob, and then we'll call it an episode.
You pick, what do you got?
Off the top of my head?
Yeah, well, of the stories that we had picked here, what do you think?
What do you want to do here?
Let's talk about Donald Trump, indictment number 456, 7, 8, 9, 10.
I don't even know what we're up to at this point.
So what exactly is this?
This is all we're going off something Trump said, I think, right?
That Trump said he's being targeted on the election interference or the not exactly.
Trump got a letter that he's supposed to appear before a grand jury.
And this is a grand jury.
He got it from Jack Smith, who I believe is running the other investigation in regards to all the boxes and documents filled with suit pants and stolen menorahs from the Jewish people.
You know, all the little artifacts the guy was trying to hoard in his bathroom, which is, you're right, is a rich individual.
You want to hoard?
You want to stash some boxes, not have to deal with it?
That's living the American dream, right?
So that guy, he's opening up a, I guess he secretly had a second, you know, grand jury thing going this whole time.
Grand juries are a neat little trick.
I guess if you got enough money and resources, a prosecutor, that you do a mock trial and you see, hey, do I think a jury is going to vote my way?
And then you go, look, I'm not just being an evil prosecutor thinking I can go win this case.
I did a mock jury and these guys said that there's enough here that we should go open up this court case.
So I guess they've been doing a, which by the way, that sucks to have to show up to testify before a grand jury that's like behind closed doors to then have to do the whole trial thing again, but whatever.
So Jared Kushner showed up.
Whole bunch of people have been showing up.
And the big question is whether or not Donald Trump actually knew that he had lost the election.
You had a hilarious joke about this in the half hour.
You just filmed looking forward to that coming out.
But that it's Trump being Trump.
It's going to be very hard.
He's manifested everything in his whole life just by saying things as if he had a magic wand.
So it's going to be pretty hard to actually catch someone behind closed doors of Trump talking and going, yeah, I know I'm full of shit because his whole life is being full of shit.
And that's the way he sells it.
And he does not know it.
He does not know that he's full of shit.
He very much believes he's not.
Somebody told him at one point in time, you just say it and it will come true.
And he's got a remarkable rate at being able to just manifest things by just saying them and proclaiming them.
So he got a letter from Jack Smith, I guess, saying that he's got to come before the grand jury.
And I don't know enough about the legal affairs and whatnot, but that's been reported not just by Donald Trump, but by other, I think I saw it in the Hill and some other articles that that means that he will most likely be arrested on that again on that as well of, you know, I guess, I don't know the specific claim, but in some ways, messing up the last election and probably some technical thing of delaying proper processes.
I think will be a very technical violation of the law that a technical process was supposed to be was supposed to happen and Donald Trump knowingly disrupted the proper process.
So just to give you a short answer after all that, he received a letter from a grand jury, which is, which he has both said has been reported by news outlets, which would indicate that he will also be arrested.
Maybe not with the fancy photographs and everything, because they didn't do that the last time, but it sounds like they've got another open trial against Donald Trump.
It does, just from like a public relations point of view, doesn't it seem like if you were advising the establishment, you'd go, guys, just like pick one, the biggest one.
I think and hit him with that.
You and I don't disagree that often.
I think it's the opposite where they want to go, how can we debate this guy?
He's got eight open charges against him.
Yeah.
It's for sexual assault.
Yeah.
So they just want to kill you death by a thousand cuts or whatever.
Yeah.
It's look at how many things he needs to fight.
And then how much does that bog him down where he needs nine different defense teams?
And every single time he's got to leave a campaign event because he's being deposed and he's not allowed to not be there.
It's like a different way of taking the wealthiest person in the world and suddenly he's not that free.
He's got to show up to court on specific days.
He's got to report in.
He's got to manage all these defenses.
I think it does and doubts more to have multiples.
Like it does just seem like an order was given or something like that, that it's like, okay, it's open season.
Like anything you can come up with on this guy now, we're going to bring it all to court.
We're going to bring all of this to trial.
Like it just seems like that's kind of what's happened here.
And none of them, what's funny is like none of them, if you're grading on like presidential crimes, is really anything.
You know, like you can, you can certainly make some kind of like pro-America argument, some like kind of a like boomer con, you know, like argument that like he shouldn't have done that.
He should have conceded the election.
But aside from that, like, you know, and again, maybe you could get into the weeds on like the call to the Georgia Secretary of State and, well, we take this as an implicit threat or something like that.
Although it's not explicit.
So it's kind of hard to make that case.
But like you're like, well, what if the election was stolen?
Hypothetically, and man, I don't want to get us in trouble on the YouTube stuff here because I know that's one of their triggers.
But let's just say what he said was happening actually happened.
Even if you don't believe that happened, let's just say that did happen.
Would he not have a right to say it?
Would he not have a right to try to fight it?
And it's not impossible that it could happen.
So if it did, hypothetically, wouldn't he have a right to behave the way he did?
So then if you accept that, then you're just, you have to prove that he really knew it didn't happen that way.
And I think Donald Trump, I think almost anyone, whether a fan or a hater of Donald Trump, if they're being fair, would admit that Donald Trump is narcissistic enough to believe that that happened.
The other thing to his credit is he was working with Powell and Giuliani.
And if you brought them into court in front of a jury, they basically look like Batman villains.
You got the penguin and I don't know what the hell, what character she would be, but any jury would be like, yeah, that's he had bad legal advice.
There you go.
I mean, it's not going to take much to go look at the idiots he was working with who are advising.
And then I'm sure.
And it does, but you raise a fair point that I'm sure those people were in his ear telling him, like, absolutely.
We've got that.
We've got it.
It was stolen.
It becomes slightly circular of did Donald Trump purposely pick lawyers who would play into his deluded fantasy and were dirty and were willing to go drum that up for him or was he being advised?
And it would seem actually, I mean, it's incredible that they did, what, 20 hours of January 6th coverage and they couldn't come up with that compelling of a case.
And the whole point of that was to try and, they were trying to push the Department of Justice to basically have to indict and create an investigation.
And they weren't able to put forward a compelling enough story.
With all that being said, with the conversation with his main lawyer and then all the other lawyers that came in and advised him, it did seem like, I mean, he might have been slick and sitting around and going, I like what that guy says more.
Can I get more of that?
Signaling to a lawyer, hey, go work on that.
Like, I'm sure Donald Trump is very slick about never calling you up directly and going, hey, here's the plan.
We're breaking the law.
Yeah.
In this case, listen, I mean, it should just be left to the voting public.
We all kind of know it was he didn't seem to have much of a plan.
He's a loser.
It really, it really is, man.
Look, this is not like, it's not like you're prosecuting Donald Trump for one of the many crimes he committed while president, which all presidents commit.
But sure, even if you were just going to pick it and just be like, listen, Donald Trump is going to an international court to face charges for funding the Saudi war of genocide in Yemen or something.
You know what?
You'd be like, man, look, man, this is real.
Like, you kind of can't deny it.
They're going to make a case against him.
We're saying all of these cases are just so in the gray area of like minor things, many of which other presidents have done or done very close to that are just not like that it's just the only reasonable answer here is to just go like, you know what, guys?
We're having a referendum about this.
We're having a national referendum in November of 2024 about this.
Let's see what people think.
And if 51%, well, you don't even need that to win, but let's just say if 90 million voters don't care and they think what Democrats are doing so horrible that they'll take Donald Trump, then that's the way they're voting.
I would think it would be fair if you wanted to do a Durham-style report and go, hey, here's the January 6th report and here's all the terrible things that Donald Trump did.
And we want voters to be aware of the fact that look at how reprehensible he is, that they're more informed on the decision.
But to try and, I guess, not allow the voters to vote on him or to try and remove him from that process, especially when you could just be manifesting bullshit or, you know, the corruption is in how you guys are applying the law and who you're actually going after.
That certainly isn't the Democratic process.
Especially when we kind of zoom out and know everything that they've already done to him since he was elected president and how he was never really given a shot to be president, even after he won the office.
All right, we're going to wrap up there.
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