Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Ukraine And the Spending Bill Sham Aired: 2022-12-24 Duration: 55:42 === Returning to the Comedy Store (02:06) === [00:00:00] Fill her up. [00:00:02] You are listening to the Gash Digital Network. [00:00:08] We need to roll back the state. [00:00:10] We spy on all of our own citizens. [00:00:12] Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders. [00:00:16] If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now. [00:00:22] Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big. [00:00:26] You're listening to the problem on the Gash Digital Network. [00:00:30] Here's your host, Dave Smith. [00:00:33] What's up, everybody? [00:00:34] Welcome to a brand new episode of Heart of the Problem. [00:00:37] I am the most consistent motherfucker you know, the libertarian Tupac Dave Smith. [00:00:41] He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein, the king of the caulks. [00:00:44] COVID Jesus. [00:00:46] What's up, my brother? [00:00:47] How's your day going? [00:00:48] I'm doing all right, Davey Smith. [00:00:49] How are you? [00:00:50] Doing very good. [00:00:51] Always enjoy sitting down to cut a new episode. [00:00:55] And of course, don't forget New Year's Eve. [00:00:58] We just opened up a second show because the first one sold out. [00:01:01] But me and Louis Jay Gomez will be back at the comedy store. [00:01:05] We used to do New Year's Eve there every year, but this is our first time back since 2019, since all the COVID insanity, returning to the comedy store. [00:01:14] We just opened up a second show, so a bunch of tickets available for that. [00:01:18] Also, we just added New Year's Day, a live Legion of Skanks recording also at the comedy store. [00:01:24] Big Jay Okerson will be flying in to meet us there, and we'll be doing a live podcast. [00:01:29] So tickets for all that stuff is up, comicdavesmith.com, or you can go to the comedy store's website there and get your tickets. [00:01:37] Me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be all over the place in 2023. [00:01:41] St. Louis, Pennsylvania, Detroit, Dallas, whole bunch of gigs coming up. [00:01:49] ComicdaveSmith.com. [00:01:50] I'll have all the ticket links up there shortly. [00:01:53] Yeah. [00:01:53] What do you got, Rob? [00:01:54] I got my end of your thing and show up, support, because I'm all out of Adderall. [00:01:57] I'm ready to break my laptop. [00:01:58] I don't want to work on presentations anymore. [00:02:00] So show up. [00:02:02] Rob came here to tell jokes and chew Adderall. [00:02:05] He's all out of Adderall. === Conflict with Russia and Weapons (15:31) === [00:02:06] Exactly. [00:02:07] All right. [00:02:09] But it's coming together. [00:02:09] I got some unique tidbits, angles, things I'm going to break down. [00:02:13] It's going to be fun. [00:02:13] Hell yeah, dudes. [00:02:14] I'm excited to watch it after the fact because I'll be out in LA. [00:02:18] But if not, I'd be there with you. [00:02:20] Probably not. [00:02:20] I'd be home with my family, but I'd still watch it after the fact. [00:02:23] I'm going to enjoy it either way. [00:02:25] All right. [00:02:26] So the great Noble Zelinsky has graced America with his presence to speak in front of Congress and just say how much he appreciates everything that America's done, how much he loves our country. [00:02:43] He does a favor. [00:02:44] He dressed up for the occasion. [00:02:46] He wore his same green fatigue shirt type deal. [00:02:51] And then also, by the way, you know, demanded us to keep sending him tens of billions of dollars forever, I guess, until Russia doesn't exist anymore. [00:03:02] Wasn't exactly clear, but he wants more money and he wants a lot more of it. [00:03:06] He received what could only be described as a hero's welcome. [00:03:10] He addressed the Congress in pretty good English, which is really making me wonder why every single interview done with him and Western media thus far, he has been speaking Ukrainian. [00:03:23] Would have probably been helpful if he just spoke English there. [00:03:25] Evidently, guy can speak English. [00:03:26] It's the first time I knew it, figured that out. [00:03:29] But yeah, it was quite a spectacle. [00:03:33] I don't know. [00:03:34] What are your thoughts on the matter, Rob? [00:03:36] I mean, you've pegged a bunch of them, but the biggest one, it's got to be the oddity of the heroes welcome. [00:03:44] Because I was visiting my grandfather and sitting down and it comes on and him and his nurse are like all about it. [00:03:51] Like, wow, this guy's speaking. [00:03:53] And it is very weird to watch if you have our perspective and you can see through the fact that we seem to provoke this war. [00:04:01] We want this war. [00:04:02] We don't care about Ukrainian lives. [00:04:04] This guy is essentially a dictator, got rid of the opposition party. [00:04:08] There's some sort of a weird tie-in with Nazis. [00:04:11] Seems like as they overtake territories, they're not particularly nice to the Russians that are in those areas. [00:04:16] But none of this is known to the average American person that just is being told this storyline that Russia would be taking over the entire world. [00:04:24] They can't even take over these small areas of Ukraine, but they would take over the entire world. [00:04:29] And that the only way that we can keep this balanced global thing going is if we dump arms into the Ukraine and keep Russia in check while also not escalating that into a bigger conflict. [00:04:42] This thing is batshit crazy. [00:04:44] It doesn't help the Ukrainian people. [00:04:46] And then even I, when I watch the spectacle, it's like with the Federal Reserve, where you're like, I must not have this story right. [00:04:53] So this hit that level where you're watching this spectacle and you're like, oh my God, do I have this wrong? [00:04:59] Because this is really, this is really something. [00:05:02] They're really selling it. [00:05:03] Well, it's really unbelievable, man. [00:05:06] It's just unbelievable that any, like, I know what you're talking about. [00:05:09] And particularly when you're the story you're saying about being with your grandfather, when you're with kind of the older generation, you see how they have this. [00:05:18] Look, I don't want to like. [00:05:20] Well, my grandpa's got as much dementia as Biden. [00:05:23] So like, you know, we're not getting, we're not getting peak Sierra and Bernstein anymore. [00:05:27] Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying, but it's, but even in general, I think the older generation, and I don't mean this as an insult to them, because it's like half a compliment, half an insult, but they had more reverence for institutions and kind of respect for these institutions. [00:05:47] And they, you know, part of that is because they kind of believed in something. [00:05:52] There were like rules. [00:05:53] There was like, you know, and part of it's because they, I think they just were far less cynical than our generation is. [00:06:02] But it's like, oh, yeah, this is that evoked an emotion from them. [00:06:06] It's like, hey, this guy is addressing the Congress. [00:06:10] We're having like a foreign leader stand up here in wartime and blah, blah, blah. [00:06:14] But for anyone who kind of even follows this, just with a little bit of healthy suspicion, like, what's exactly going on here? [00:06:23] Perhaps governments don't always tell the 100% truth to their citizens. [00:06:31] You know, it's just so, it's so obvious that this is, this is bullshit. [00:06:37] Like this whole thing, like, wait a minute. [00:06:38] So what exactly, what exactly is going on here? [00:06:41] What? [00:06:42] We have to, we have to give a hero's welcome to this guy, this most corrupt and authoritarian president of Ukraine. [00:06:53] We must pretend that somehow this fight is about democracy and nobility. [00:06:58] Like, what exactly is going on here? [00:07:02] What is even the lie? [00:07:04] What are they telling you is why does America care about this fight so much? [00:07:09] Why does this fight have to be something that we're involved in? [00:07:14] Why? [00:07:14] For democracy? [00:07:17] Is that the idea? [00:07:18] First off, we're going to pretend that Ukraine is a democracy. [00:07:22] Number one, Yanukovych was democratically elected to the country in 2010, and he was overthrown in 2014 by a violent street putsch that was backed by the USA. [00:07:35] And by the way, he was democratically elected in 2010. [00:07:38] Those elections were verified by the EU. [00:07:40] No one's even questioning whether or not these, you know what I mean, like were legitimate elections or not. [00:07:46] That's not even one of their talking points. [00:07:48] But how do you get to claim to be a thriving democracy only eight years after your democratic government was overthrown? [00:07:56] Like, you know what I'm saying? [00:07:58] Like, is that like if I just, if we just overthrew a democratically elected government and then tomorrow you have another election, are you like, well, that's a democracy now? [00:08:06] It doesn't seem right to me. [00:08:08] Also, the current president has basically banned opposition media, banned opposition political parties, banned opposition religions in effect. [00:08:18] It's like, what? [00:08:19] Does that still counts as thriving democracy? [00:08:22] Also, I question whether America really cares that much about democracy, given our chummy relationship with the Saudis, given the democratically elected governments that we've overthrown all over the world. [00:08:35] I mean, we're all about democracy, except in Palestine or Egypt or Saudi Arabia, you know, like except for when it's convenient, then we're not for democracy. [00:08:44] So it's not about democracy. [00:08:46] So what's it about? [00:08:48] An unprovoked, as they call it, invasion? [00:08:51] No, it's about invading sovereign countries. [00:08:56] That's going to be a pretty tough sell for the United States of America, given just its history in the 21st century alone. [00:09:03] Don't really have a whole lot of respect for the sovereignty of borders. [00:09:07] It ain't about international law because we're the biggest violators of international law. [00:09:12] It's like, what's going on here? [00:09:14] And what is, why is it, it's such a bizarre like story on its face. [00:09:19] Like, this fight is so important that we have to pledge that we will finance it till the end, but not important enough for us to get militarily involved. [00:09:34] Why? [00:09:35] There might be risks associated with that. [00:09:37] Like, what's the argument for why we shouldn't be sending troops in to Ukraine? [00:09:43] Even from the Biden perspective, what's the argument? [00:09:46] If this is so important and we got to spend this money on it, why don't we just deploy our military? [00:09:49] Oh, why not? [00:09:50] That might be risky. [00:09:52] Then we might be in a conflict with Russia. [00:09:54] But how are we not right now? [00:09:56] And how is it not risky to have this guy address our fucking Congress and then have our president sit down with him and publicly assure him that we will fight with him until he defeats Russia? [00:10:08] Would that then not carry some risks? [00:10:10] Like, what's going on? [00:10:11] This guy, they also spin it on all the corporate press outlets. [00:10:14] Like, he came right from the front lines to Congress. [00:10:19] This is why he's wearing his green military weird thing. [00:10:22] Why he can't even throw on a suit and tie, Rob. [00:10:25] That's how, that's how he just came out of battle, basically. [00:10:28] I mean, sure, he has time to like stop and do like a vanity fair cover spread. [00:10:33] You know what I mean? [00:10:34] Like, he's got time for the important things. [00:10:36] He could like address the Oscars or something like that. [00:10:39] But aside from that, it's like right to battle in the same outfit all along. [00:10:43] Like, what? [00:10:44] Like, how stupid you have to be to not look at this and go, what the fuck's going on here? [00:10:48] And they never, of course, as you alluded to before, they never want to actually tell you the story. [00:10:53] Like, what's going on? [00:10:54] It's like, okay, there's been a civil war going on in Ukraine since 2014. [00:11:02] This is right on Russia's border. [00:11:04] It's a country with a lot of ethnic Russians in it. [00:11:06] This is something that not justifying them invading, but they are directly involved and interested in this country, which is the largest bordering country to Russia. [00:11:17] That doesn't explain why we're involved. [00:11:20] You know, when they sent, if you remember, Donald Trump got impeached for partially holding up the weapons deal to Ukraine, and he was kind of trying to strong arm them into investigating the Bidens and was kind of like seemed to be hinting that they wouldn't get the weapons unless they investigated them. [00:11:38] Now, of course, the part of that story that always just gets forgotten is that he didn't get the investigation into the Bidens and they did get their weapons. [00:11:46] So anyway, but one interesting thing about that, it's like, oh, so the U.S. was sending in a shit ton of weapons to Ukraine before Russia invaded earlier this year in 2022, right? [00:11:59] Now, what was the justification for that? [00:12:01] What was the reasoning that was given for why we should be sending weapons into the into Ukraine back then, years ago? [00:12:09] You know what they said, Rob? [00:12:10] It was to deter Russia. [00:12:13] So it would seem that, look, just objectively speaking, either that didn't deter Russia, right? [00:12:23] Or it actually was a provocation, right? [00:12:26] In the best case scenario, it did not do the intended job of deterring the country, which later invaded from invading. [00:12:33] And in the worst case scenario, maybe it even encouraged them to invade. [00:12:37] Okay. [00:12:38] So we don't, but no one even brings that up. [00:12:42] Yet we have to, without thinking, sign up for Infinity to keep sending weapons in. [00:12:49] Does anyone even think no one's even asking these questions? [00:12:52] Like, what is the goal here? [00:12:54] What does victory look like for Ukraine? [00:12:57] According to Zelensky, it seems to be the complete defeat of Russia, including taking back Crimea. [00:13:03] Well, that's going to be tough. [00:13:05] How's that going to happen? [00:13:07] What would possibly lead to that where that does happen? [00:13:10] And how utterly defeated would Russia have to be for that to happen? [00:13:14] And then there's a few questions you might want to ask yourself after that. [00:13:16] You know, when you have the President Joe Biden, who's multiple times said that the goal is to overthrow Vladimir Putin, it's like, okay, well, if Vladimir Putin thought he was going to be overthrown, might he launch some nuclear weapons? [00:13:33] Seems like a question worth thinking seriously about. [00:13:37] After Putin, who comes next? [00:13:39] Have we not learned enough to ask that question yet? [00:13:41] Who comes after Vladimir Putin if we are overthrowing him? [00:13:45] And who's, you know, who's going to be responsible for safeguarding the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world if the Russian government is toppled? [00:13:53] Think that might be something that comes up, but none of that does. [00:13:56] This is our idiotic corporate press. [00:13:58] All it is is just, wow, look how brave this guy is. [00:14:00] Give him all the money in the world. [00:14:02] And that seems to be basically the thinking. [00:14:06] All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is yokratom.com, home of the $60 kilo. [00:14:13] Now, this is for people who are over the age of 21 and in the market for Kratom, or maybe a friend of yours enjoys Kratom. [00:14:20] If so, go to yokratom.com. [00:14:22] They have the best Kratom in the game. [00:14:24] It's lab tested and the best prices, $60 for a kilo, which is unheard of. [00:14:30] Of course, these guys are also just incredible sponsors of my show, Gas Digital Network, every show that I'm on. [00:14:37] These guys support us. [00:14:38] So if you're going to get Kratom, please go grab it from yokratom.com, home of the $60 kilo. [00:14:43] All right, let's get back into the show. [00:14:45] Yeah, I think, I mean, there's a lot to be said for not having any clear strategy here. [00:14:51] Although I guess that, you know, that's what did well for us in Afghanistan. [00:14:54] No clear goals, no way to win. [00:14:57] And so spend 20 years there, spend as much money as possible. [00:15:00] One of the things that you mentioned, which I thought was very odd, is that we seem to highlight single issues as being like the highest case of morality and the thing that we have to deal with. [00:15:12] And so I can't think of other times I've seen world leaders in front of Congress. [00:15:15] Maybe it happens and I just wasn't paying attention. [00:15:17] Yahoo has come over and spoken to Congress before. [00:15:21] Yeah, like on an Iran thing. [00:15:23] Yeah. [00:15:23] And everyone also just shows up and applauds and it's like the same ordeal. [00:15:28] Because like there's conflict all over the world. [00:15:30] I mean, we've spoken about Yemen quite a bit, but there's just something where I know it's like, this is a tearjerker story that serves your interest in some way. [00:15:38] This is not about the morality of it. [00:15:40] And it's odd because they so play to the morality, but then it just doesn't make sense when you think about everything that's going on in the world and the way they highlight, you know, one single instance. [00:15:51] Well, it's the same people who will defend, you know, George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and defend Obama continuing those wars and the war he started in Yemen and Somalia and Syria and Libya. [00:16:06] The same people who are the biggest defenders of the U.S. foreign policy regime all of a sudden are like so emotional about the consequences of war when it comes to this one. [00:16:19] But this is how it always works, right? [00:16:21] As soon as they want to launch another war, it's like, oh my God, we have to think about the people and the innocent people being killed there. [00:16:27] But as soon as you criticize one of their wars, it's like that could not be, that's not an issue at all. [00:16:32] And by the way, I do think we should think about the innocent people in all of these wars. [00:16:36] And it's the most fucking horrible thing in the world that human beings still fight wars. [00:16:40] It's like goddamn insane. [00:16:41] If you didn't know, if you just knew like about like advanced modern civilization and it was just like, oh, you know, you go to work and you see your friends and you go to see a play and you go to whatever and you go on your computer and you do all this and you didn't know that we still fought wars. [00:17:00] And someone, you know what I mean? [00:17:01] And then you found out, you'd be like, this is fucking insane. [00:17:03] I can't believe, I can't believe civilized advanced people still just have mass slaughter parties where big metal machines of death go and blow up real innocent people. [00:17:13] It's like the most fucking insane thing in the world. [00:17:16] And we should think about that, how crazy this is that this is happening. [00:17:19] But when you actually look into the details of this, like if you, if you looked at that and had a sane response, the goal would be, well, let's get the war to stop. [00:17:27] First and foremost, let's stop the killing from happening. [00:17:30] And then you go and read up on how, like, oh, yeah, actually the West has been discouraging Ukraine from negotiating with Russia from the beginning. === The Trillion Dollar Debt Fall (14:52) === [00:17:38] You know, the Fiona Hill piece that she detailed that they had a peace deal worked out and Boris Johnson came over and urged Zelensky not to negotiate with Putin. [00:17:47] No, you shouldn't negotiate. [00:17:48] So in many ways, it's like the fact, you know, he gave Zelensky talked a bunch about kind of bragging about Ukraine and how tough they are and we'll never give up and we'll fight to the bitter end and all these things. [00:18:01] But then he's also coming hat in hand and asking for more money, asking for more weapons. [00:18:05] So it's kind of like, yeah, all right. [00:18:07] Yeah, you'll fight till the bitter end if we finance it. [00:18:11] But what if we didn't finance it? [00:18:13] Then what would happen? [00:18:14] Oh, yeah, then you'd have to work out a deal. [00:18:17] So that's, it's not as if there seems to be no evidence at all that our involvement in this war has limited the amount of fighting. [00:18:27] It seems that it's prolonged it to this point that at least quite possibly the war would have been over before this summer. [00:18:34] And how many people's lives would have been saved if that was the case? [00:18:39] So the whole thing is just, it's just so strange and bizarre. [00:18:45] It's unbelievable that anyone can fall for this shit, that they still do fall for this. [00:18:49] You're like, what's like, just tell it, what's really going on here? [00:18:52] Don't give me this crap about how like American foreign policy is just led by these noble intentions. [00:18:58] And we just can't stand to see a big guy bully a little guy. [00:19:02] Don't ignore the fact that we are the big guy who bullies the little guy in every fucking theater throughout the world. [00:19:08] Ignore that. [00:19:09] No, we're really just driven by these noble things. [00:19:11] Even this Biden just got off the phone with Bernie Sanders, convincing him to not invoke the war powers resolution so that he could end the war in Yemen. [00:19:20] Like, no, no, no, no, we got to keep that war going. [00:19:22] The genocide in Yemen where hundreds of thousands of people have died, most of them children under five years old. [00:19:31] No, that we don't have to fucking worry about. [00:19:33] It's just, we're so motivated by our noble intentions in Ukraine, but Yemen doesn't count or something. [00:19:39] Like, how do you even sell this? [00:19:42] Isn't it odd the extent by which it's all hands on deck and that everyone is kind of looking forward to being a part of the television of it? [00:19:51] Like, if you look at Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi, like, they're good at like hamming it up and acting. [00:19:56] Like, this is the most important thing right now. [00:19:58] Is like, I mean, what is the system behind the machine that everyone's getting their paycheck? [00:20:03] Or I saw a clubber lang lady got her picture with Zelensky. [00:20:07] It's like he's the celebrity in the room. [00:20:08] And it's like, they all get brownie points if they get a picture with him. [00:20:12] Or, like, because I can't imagine to the U.S. general public this war is that popular, especially amidst, I mean, there's the reporting of, I mean, where the economy is heading and how much money is now being funded towards Ukraine. [00:20:26] And just wait till there's a little bit more hurt here if we end up with like a deeper recession. [00:20:30] And they were claiming that there were 1.1 million jobs that were added that just weren't like, just wait and see where the economy really goes and how favorable supporting war in Ukraine is amongst the American people or in the EU if winter gets as bad as you know they've been predicting. [00:20:46] But my point just being, isn't it odd that there isn't more dissent amongst like the senators that they're all there dressed up looking like, yes, this is our big moment. [00:20:56] The Pope's showing up. [00:20:57] We all got to be in our seats. [00:20:58] We all got to be a part of this moment. [00:21:00] Yeah. [00:21:01] Well, and just how much it's, you know, it's which, by the way, this is all related to this big $1.7 trillion spending bill to avoid a government shutdown. [00:21:12] I can't tell you how many times just since we've been doing this podcast, we've gone through this cycle again. [00:21:17] Oh, yeah, another giant spending bill to avoid the government shutdown, which of course, but they just keep getting bigger. [00:21:22] You know, I remember the spending bills during COVID, and they were like, I know these are so huge, but it's only because like there's lockdowns and it's this crazy time. [00:21:29] And now look at it a couple of years later, you're like, yeah, that's just normal. [00:21:32] That's just what we spend now. [00:21:33] That's uh, but so they're going through this whole kind of thing. [00:21:38] And even with this, with the Zelensky thing and with this spending bill, which will pass, um, isn't it so interesting that these, you know, we always talk about how polarized our country is and how the two parties are so against each other now. [00:21:52] And like, oh my God, how could there be any further distance between where Democrats and Republicans are at? [00:21:57] But when it comes to all this shit, they all get together. [00:22:00] They're all together. [00:22:02] Mitch McConnell said that the number one priority for the United States of America was supporting Zelensky and Ukraine in this war. [00:22:11] That's supposed to be our number one priority. [00:22:14] Is that it is what? [00:22:17] Whether the Donbass region is ruled by Kiev or Moscow. [00:22:21] What do you think? [00:22:21] Is there any other priority you find above that? [00:22:23] Nope. [00:22:23] That's the top one. [00:22:25] Like our economy, you got a hundred thousand Americans dying every year by overdose. [00:22:31] You know, like all there's a generation of kids who have been completely over in the last two years. [00:22:36] Nope, Donesk. [00:22:39] That's the number one priority. [00:22:41] Who rules Donetsk? [00:22:43] Is it going to be Kiev or is it going to be Moscow? [00:22:47] That's is Crimea under Ukrainian control or Russian control? [00:22:51] That's the number one priority. [00:22:53] 99% of these people would not have known whether Crimea was ruled by Kiev or Moscow two years ago. [00:23:02] They literally would have had no idea or and not cared at all. [00:23:06] And they shouldn't. [00:23:07] It's fine. [00:23:08] They have every right not to. [00:23:11] Yeah, man, they all fall in line for this stuff very, very quickly. [00:23:17] And anyway, you know, it's so anyway, in this $1.7 trillion spending bill, which evidently was, I mean, it's like they don't even try. [00:23:25] It was introduced at 1 a.m. and it's over 4,000 pages long. [00:23:31] And this is just what it is to be in comment. [00:23:33] How many people are desperate for funds? [00:23:34] Good thing they got that out right away. [00:23:36] I mean, to think of maybe who knows how many pages were missed of other people that needed funding, but they just couldn't get it in on time. [00:23:43] Here's what a sham this whole thing is: that they don't, they don't even pretend to read it. [00:23:48] Well, money's free now. [00:23:50] It doesn't matter. [00:23:50] We're going for broke. [00:23:51] Just print it all, get it done with. [00:23:53] Let's just hit bottom at this point. [00:23:55] It really is something, right? [00:23:57] But imagine just like a 4,000-page bill that you haven't even read. [00:24:00] You're not even pretending you've read it. [00:24:02] And then you'll start arguing with someone else about how you have to support it. [00:24:08] It's like, what type of clown shit is this? [00:24:10] They just go, you have to support this. [00:24:12] You're an awful person if you don't support this. [00:24:13] You're like, but I don't know. [00:24:15] I'm like 23 pages in. [00:24:17] If a 4,000 page, just like imagine, just in a regular light, like imagine I just gave you a 4,000-page book. [00:24:28] I was like, here's a book, Rob. [00:24:29] It's bigger than any book you've ever read in your life. [00:24:32] I know what you're thinking. [00:24:33] Like, what is what are you used to? [00:24:35] A book's like 300, 400 pages long. [00:24:36] Well, this one's 4,000. [00:24:38] Here's the book. [00:24:39] And I give it to you. [00:24:40] And then 20 minutes later, I'm like, let's start discussing the book. [00:24:45] What do you think of it? [00:24:47] It's like, she's just be like, I'm going to need like a few weeks at least before I can start discussing this with you. [00:24:55] And this isn't light reading, you know? [00:24:58] It's dense legislation. [00:25:01] Anyway, the whole thing is just so fucking ridiculous. [00:25:03] Rand Paul is being good on this. [00:25:06] He's going off. [00:25:08] I'm just going to say it's, it feels a little bit with like Rand. [00:25:12] It's just actors in a play and he gets to be the one guy who goes, Hey, we can't possibly have this budget, but it's meaningless. [00:25:18] I like, I like Rand and I really liked everything he did on the vaccine. [00:25:21] And I actually think that he exposed Fauci quite a bit. [00:25:25] Sadly, you know, the media still got to spin all those interactions of, look at this Rand guy not listening to the science, but we got to get Fauci on record being wrong on quite a few things. [00:25:35] When it comes to like this budgetary stuff, like, I mean, I guess it's nice. [00:25:39] You get one person who gets on the record and goes, Hey, this is a bunch of bogus, but like it's, it's kind of meaningless. [00:25:46] It's almost like the system's design that you can have that one person so you can pretend like the system works. [00:25:51] Like, yeah, look, there was some opposition. [00:25:54] Yeah, I know what you mean. [00:25:55] It's, it does seem like, you know, I wish I loved the stand that he took against all the COVID insanity. [00:26:01] And I, I think that he did have a real effect. [00:26:05] I think Rand Paul really moved the needle in terms of like popular opinion in the country, which I think is very important. [00:26:12] In fact, I kind of think it's in many ways the only thing we have. [00:26:17] Like the only thing that we, the only thing we could have right now is if there was just like such a large percentage of the population in a very serious way, who is like, we just will not support Ukraine anymore in this war. [00:26:33] You have to urge a negotiation. [00:26:35] That's it. [00:26:35] You need not just Zelensky, but Zelensky and Putin need to go to some neutral fucking area, send blinket to, you know, send Biden there or whoever, and you guys all got to work out a deal. [00:26:45] Like we're locking you in a room until this is over. [00:26:47] If there was just like absolutely no, because this is the reason why they do all this propaganda. [00:26:51] By the way, Zelensky wasn't speaking to Congress. [00:26:54] He was speaking to your grandfather. [00:26:56] He was speaking. [00:26:57] He's already got Congress. [00:26:58] Like they're already going to give him a blank check. [00:27:01] They already have. [00:27:02] He's, this is the reason they're doing this is because they need to propagandize the people to at least believe this shit enough that they'll put up with it. [00:27:11] So our only hope is almost like that. [00:27:12] And this is kind of what happened with COVID too, is that eventually like they're just, there's just no popular support for it anymore and people weren't going to take it. [00:27:20] Although that doesn't mean they won't try as soon as people calm down to reinstate some of the shit they're doing as we speak in different areas in the country. [00:27:30] But They're, you know, Rand Paul had a real effect, I think, in moving the needle on like distrusting Fauci. [00:27:40] No matter how the media tried to spin it, enough of those clips went out there where it was like, hey, he sure didn't have an answer to that really reasonable thing that Rand Paul was asking him. [00:27:48] You know, and Rand Paul has like very important questions. [00:27:51] You know, can you point to one study that shows that kids benefit from the vaccine and Fauci couldn't answer? [00:27:57] Can you, can you, you know, release your financial records? [00:28:02] Have you gotten paid off from these pharmaceutical companies and Fauci won't do it? [00:28:07] And, you know, things like that. [00:28:09] The thing is, is that this, when it comes to just government spending, it does seem like, unfortunately, it's almost just not like a sexy enough issue to get a lot of people to really care about it. [00:28:25] I mean, I guess the Tea Party was like the closest thing we ever had. [00:28:28] Ron Paul campaigns and stuff like that. [00:28:30] But it's just very, it's very hard. [00:28:32] It's kind of like, I don't know, all of the numbers just seem so ridiculous. [00:28:38] You know, it's like, I don't know, 1.7 trillion. [00:28:41] We're over 31 trillion in debt. [00:28:43] What does this even mean anymore? [00:28:45] I don't know. [00:28:45] Throw another trillion out there, whatever. [00:28:48] There's, you know, it's like people can say, oh, we're going to collapse because of the debt, which, you know, is a real possibility. [00:28:57] But at the same time, it's kind of like once you've made it this far, it's kind of hard to even argue. [00:29:02] Like, well, I don't know how far can they push it? [00:29:05] Most debt hawks probably didn't think we could get to 30 trillion in debt. [00:29:08] We did. [00:29:10] I think there's a problem that sometimes when things go wrong, it happens real quick. [00:29:14] Like that SBF kid was sitting pretty till he wasn't. [00:29:16] Madolf was sitting pretty till he wasn't. [00:29:19] World War II didn't look like it was going to happen until it happened. [00:29:22] Yeah. [00:29:22] And in the financial realm, I mean, even just look at all the big banks in 2008. [00:29:25] Yeah. [00:29:26] Right? [00:29:26] They're all people were talking about, you know, like a few weeks before the crash. [00:29:30] People were talking about how solid Bear Stern's stock was, Washington Mutual stock. [00:29:35] You know, like, yeah, that's the way these collapses can happen. [00:29:37] They happen very quickly. [00:29:39] And this is, this is kind of how, just in general, bank runs and things like that can happen. [00:29:44] You can have these banks that are, you know, insolvent, but as long as no one's pulling their money out, everything keeps operating just fine. [00:29:52] And then all it takes is a few people demanding their money out. [00:29:54] And then all of a sudden, the whole thing, you realize right away, oh, the whole thing is a house of cards. [00:29:58] That's how houses of cards fall, right? [00:30:00] They look really nice and stable until they're not. [00:30:03] And then it's all over. [00:30:05] So, yes, that could happen. [00:30:06] But in the meantime, just in terms of getting people, you know, interested in it, it's tough. [00:30:13] When you're $30 trillion in debt, can you really argue, hey, there's no way we could go $50 trillion in debt? [00:30:18] It's going, yeah, I don't know. [00:30:20] But that, you know, the way the average person thinks of this aside, it really is like the biggest thing. [00:30:29] Like, government spending is so goddamn important. [00:30:32] And the fact that it's ramped up like this is just so it's it I think people don't appreciate how much the entirety of our like cultural and political divide, the state of the country, just how crazy everything is right now, how much of it is just a direct or indirect result of government spending being so high. [00:30:59] I think it's like people don't appreciate that. [00:31:02] But when you talk about like even things like why there is um why socialism on the radical left has been on the rise, why there's so many more socialists, why populism on the right has been on the rise, and there's so many more populists, all of these things. [00:31:20] They're directly related to government spending, whether people realize it or not. [00:31:23] If you if you go look, I always like to talk about this, but if you go look at like The richest counties in America. [00:31:31] So go pull up a list of like the top 15 richest counties in America. [00:31:35] And there'll be some exceptions. [00:31:37] I mean, there's like, there might be one in San Francisco and there might be one in like, you know, like near Tennessee or something like that, you know, but the overwhelming majority of them, like disproportionately, it's like the suburbs of Washington, D.C. and the suburbs of New York City. [00:31:54] These are the richest counties in the world. [00:31:56] These are where all the wealth is. [00:31:57] It's all these counties in Virginia and Maryland, where all the people from Washington, D.C. live. [00:32:02] And then these counties like around New York and New Jersey, where all the finance people live. [00:32:07] This is how the system works. [00:32:09] When you have this record high government spending, right? [00:32:12] And you have these artificially low interest rates, which even now we have artificially low interest rates, even though they're not quite as artificially low as they were for the last few years. [00:32:24] What do you have? [00:32:25] Well, you have to keep these interest rates low so that the government can spend so much and can go so far into debt. === Christmas Underwear and Rich Plans (07:19) === [00:32:31] You have to print a ton of money and lend it to the government from the Federal Reserve, creating the inflation, making everybody, everybody except the super rich poorer. [00:32:40] And where does it go? [00:32:43] Who's getting rich? [00:32:44] Well, it's all the people who are politically connected in Washington, D.C., right? [00:32:48] Like the government's, if the government's spending $6 trillion a year, a lot of people are getting rich off that right around Washington, D.C. [00:32:55] The Wall Street casinos going nuts because they're speculating whether they have, you know, all the fertile ground to speculate with these low interest rates. [00:33:02] So all the finance people are getting rich and everybody else is getting punished for this. [00:33:07] And this does a tremendous amount to like to cause like huge divisions and also just to wake people up to how profoundly unfair and fucked up the system is, you know? [00:33:20] And this is, and then you have people come in like to propose these radical solutions. [00:33:26] This is why we should have a socialist revolution, or this is why we should drain the swamp, or this is all these things. [00:33:31] But it's all kind of connected to this. [00:33:34] It's all, it's all very related. [00:33:36] And it is pretty unbelievable, right? [00:33:38] That like you, you'd see like, you know, even all the concern over inflation, and they just kind of can't stop. [00:33:48] Their only answer they have at this point, the only answer that's politically viable is like, keep fucking printing and spending money. [00:33:56] Because man, if you're a politician, this is kind of what Hoppe talks about are the horrible incentives of democracy, where if you're a politician, you know, you don't really own the government in the way that any of us consider like owning something. [00:34:15] You don't, you know, you don't really, you don't, your incentives don't line up in the right way. [00:34:20] Like I, I just bought a house and it's an interesting thing when you buy a house, especially you buy it, like, I'm not buying this house to flip it. [00:34:26] I'm buying this house to like raise my family. [00:34:27] And like, I plan on being here for like 30 years or something. [00:34:30] I mean, who knows what the future holds, but that's the plan. [00:34:32] And you realize how incentivized you are to like take care of everything. [00:34:36] Like, I know, okay, if I don't fucking take care of this, it's going to cost me a lot more down the road. [00:34:40] So let me make sure, okay, everything's inspected. [00:34:43] Everything's like going good. [00:34:44] Everything, if there's a problem, you want to get on it right away. [00:34:47] And Hoppe's point is basically that these, these democratically elected politicians, they don't own the government. [00:34:52] So they have no incentive to like make sure this thing's in good shape in 20 years, make sure it's in good shape in 100 years. [00:35:01] It's like you got a six-year term or a four-year term to try to extract as much out of this thing as you can and then go back into the private sector. [00:35:10] And you see this with all of them. [00:35:11] It's like, what is the incentive for any politician to stop, to let this economic game of musical chairs let the music stop and then have the collapse happen on their watch? [00:35:26] Or it's like, no, I don't know. [00:35:27] Let's yank another fucking 2 trillion out of this bitch and get the fuck to Christmas, which is, by the way, what they always use, Rob. [00:35:36] This is actually how stupid and unimpressive the fucking Congress is, is that they plan this out so it happens right before Christmas. [00:35:43] And then they just go, don't you want to go home for Christmas? [00:35:46] If you vote on this spending bill, we get to go home for Christmas. [00:35:49] If not, you may have to stay and work through Christmas. [00:35:52] And I'm like, all right, rape the treasury a little bit more. [00:35:57] It's really something. [00:35:59] It is really something. [00:36:00] I don't know. [00:36:01] Any other thoughts, Rob? [00:36:03] Where on the we're not helping the Ukrainian people? [00:36:09] This would have been over. [00:36:11] It's our money that's prolonging it, which is going to hurt everyone. [00:36:15] And so, I mean, just the fact that every single senator and were the congressmen there or was it just senators? [00:36:21] Whatever. [00:36:21] You got to show us. [00:36:23] It was the congressman as well. [00:36:24] Congressman sitting there applauding, making trying to sell this to the American people, all hands on deck, that this is the most important thing. [00:36:31] It's, I don't know, like, how do we move on from it? [00:36:36] Well, the, you know, there's just not the problem is we cannot count on the fucking Congress. [00:36:41] And I know there's some new, you know, Republicans who will be coming in and maybe a handful of them will put up some opposition to this, but certainly in leadership, the leadership on both parties is all in. [00:36:53] And the media is mostly selling it too. [00:36:55] I mean, there's very, like amongst legacy media, there's very few who are going, hey, this, this is crazy. [00:37:02] It's I, Tucker Carlson. [00:37:04] I mean, I think there's, it's Kennedy and Tucker Carlson. [00:37:08] I don't know anyone else. [00:37:09] You want to talk about shame on legacy media? [00:37:11] Their coverage of the Twitter files really just shows their cards that they have zero honest, honesty left in them. [00:37:20] They're empty shells of just fucking selling whatever government wants them to. [00:37:25] Yeah, there's not, there's not even in, there's not even an attempt to pretend that like I like I understand on COVID, I mean, they got it really, really wrong. [00:37:37] And to the point where it's like, you guys aren't asking the right questions and they engage in censorship. [00:37:42] That one I kind of understood. [00:37:43] On this one, it's like the cat's out of the bag and you guys just are going, you know what, we're not going to cover it. [00:37:48] Or, hey, there's more, there's more hate on this platform than ever before. [00:37:52] Or the FBI just turns around after the last one comes out and goes, nope, this is what we do with every company because that's what we do. [00:37:59] We're the FBI. [00:38:00] We're the deep state. [00:38:00] We're keeping tabs. [00:38:02] We're trying to keep everyone safe. [00:38:03] Remember? [00:38:04] They don't even try and like cover it up. [00:38:06] But it's, yeah, no, you're 100% right. [00:38:08] It's just what still I find to be somewhat shocking, even after all these years of calling out like the insane corruption, is that they don't even feel a need to pretend to be journalists. [00:38:22] They don't even want to sell that you're supposed to believe that you couldn't even like look at this like, oh, okay, here's like the biggest, you know, or not the biggest, but the most important political platform in America right now, Twitter. [00:38:35] I mean, literally where President Trump tweeted his way to the presidency, you know? [00:38:40] And it's where all the journalists are and where all the political commentary is. [00:38:44] And you're like, oh, this guy just bought it and released all these files showing like this deep involved relationship between the federal government and the previous regime at Twitter. [00:38:53] And you're like, oh, that's kind of interesting. [00:38:55] I want to read up about that. [00:38:57] What was going on here? [00:38:57] Exactly. [00:38:58] Like, you don't even have to, you can't even pretend that you're kind of interested in this. [00:39:02] All right, guys, let's take a second and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Sheath Underwear. [00:39:07] Sheath Underwear makes the best boxer briefs in the game, the only underwear that I own, the only ones that I wear. [00:39:15] Get them as a gift this holiday season for some man in your life. [00:39:18] They have women's underwear as well. [00:39:20] Or so get them as a gift for somebody in your life. 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[00:40:04] They said, this is what I mean by they're not even the FBI, like they're not even pretending to try. [00:40:10] Like they go, it is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency. [00:40:25] That's it. [00:40:27] Are you denying that this is true? [00:40:29] Well, I don't know. [00:40:30] We're vaguely saying the word misinformation. [00:40:32] Yeah, that's what the CIA is trying to discuss. [00:40:33] That's the Tyber Carlson thing. [00:40:34] Remember when they're like, we can't answer that because it would make the agency look bad. [00:40:38] Well, if it's true, then maybe we got it. [00:40:41] Maybe you should look bad so that you change and you quit doing evil things. [00:40:44] You know what I mean? [00:40:45] That's like if I was out back and I'm murdering people and there's pictures of it. [00:40:49] Hey, don't put that out there. [00:40:50] People are going to know I'm not a nice guy. [00:40:52] Yeah, well, that's probably good. [00:40:53] That's the point of giving out true information is policing people's bad behavior. [00:40:58] If you get trusted in the world, these pictures could undermine people's trust in Rob Bernstein. [00:41:03] Yeah, you'd be like, well, that's good. [00:41:04] They shouldn't trust me. [00:41:05] I'm out back murdering people. [00:41:08] I'm beginning to feel like it's people are following government and our reality the way that you would watch WWF where you suspend reality, where there's like a relationship between your New York Time readers and the New York Times where it's like, we would all prefer to live in this reality. [00:41:28] And so we're not going to report the things that would break that. [00:41:31] And you guys are going to pretend like everything we have to say is accurate. [00:41:35] And then we're all good here. [00:41:36] And then those, and then the people on Twitter who have been opposing us, they don't get to be right. [00:41:41] So no, you're absolutely right. [00:41:44] I mean to cut you off there, but it reminds me of when you were debating the room. [00:41:49] We were talking about this when you were debating the room on the, what's the name of the podcast on Curran Fisher's show? [00:41:54] Without a country. [00:41:56] And, you know, like we were talking about how it's a little bit weird these days where there's a lot of ideological self-segregation. [00:42:04] So there's a lot of like, you know, like I hear every now and then from like left-wingers who listen to this show regularly and they enjoy that. [00:42:12] They're like, okay, we don't agree with you guys on everything, but we enjoy listening to where you're coming from. [00:42:15] And that's kind of, that's really cool. [00:42:17] But it's the minority. [00:42:18] You know what I mean? [00:42:19] Like most of the time, people who will come and listen to a show like this are like the people who are, say, at least like skeptics of the whole COVID narrative. [00:42:28] And then all of a sudden, you, you're just kind of used to this world of when you talk about this shit. [00:42:33] Maybe you have your family and your friends, and then you have this world where with a lot of people who know your opinions and agree with you on a lot of shit. [00:42:39] And then all of a sudden, you're just in a room with a bunch of these libs who it's like, whoa, what the fuck? [00:42:45] People don't talk like this. [00:42:46] But one of the things that was real, and you did a fantastic job, people have go check that out. [00:42:51] People really loved it. [00:42:53] At least our people watching it online really loved it. [00:42:55] The people in the room, maybe not so much. [00:42:57] But one of the things that's really interesting about the moment is that it's not as if, you know, and this is where there's an asymmetry. [00:43:06] It's not like, oh, we're all in our different camps, but we're all the same. [00:43:09] If something, if me and you, let's say, were doing a live podcast and someone, one of the questioners was like real, you know, taking a completely different opinion than us. [00:43:22] Was out there like, no, Fauci's right about all of this stuff and wanted to argue with us. [00:43:26] We'd kind of light up and be like, okay, let's argue over this. [00:43:29] Like, what do you got? [00:43:30] Okay, well, let's get into it. [00:43:33] But what was really interesting about this moment is that it's not, that's not where they were coming from. [00:43:38] It wasn't like you would say something and they'd be like, no, But look, here's why you're wrong. [00:43:43] Here's why this doesn't make sense. [00:43:44] Here's my data-driven argument, or here's my, you know, point. [00:43:48] It's just this intense discomfort, and they don't want you to be saying the things you're saying. [00:43:56] Like, they're like, we would just rather not hear this. [00:43:59] We don't want you to say it. [00:44:01] And man, and then they were really hoping when that chick who was like an immunologist got up there, everyone in the room is really like, okay, all right, good, good, good. === Avoiding Hard Conversations About Aid (02:18) === [00:44:09] She'll go fucking school him. [00:44:11] It's like, we don't know anything, but let her please go bash this back into the box where it came from so we don't have to really grapple with it. [00:44:18] And then she goes up there and had nothing for you. [00:44:20] In fact, ended up just kind of confirming. [00:44:24] Like you, you almost forced her to. [00:44:26] Like, I'm slipping on the details now because I watched a little while ago, but you're almost like, well, I said this and I said this and I said this. [00:44:31] Is any of that wrong? [00:44:32] And she's like, well, no, none of that's actually wrong. [00:44:35] That's all right. [00:44:36] You know, and it's just, it's kind of like what you're saying with the New York Times readers and the New York Times. [00:44:40] They're all like, look, we want to be comforted here. [00:44:45] And so don't give us any of this other shit. [00:44:48] But there's such basic things. [00:44:50] Like, dude, going back to the Zelensky stuff, there's just such basic shit. [00:44:54] Like, okay, we're sending, we've sent, what are we up to now? [00:45:00] We're over $100 billion that we've sent to Ukraine. [00:45:03] I think it's the most foreign aid we've ever given any country in a year. [00:45:06] Okay. [00:45:07] Where's the money gone? [00:45:11] Can we account for the money? [00:45:14] I mean, we specifically said no. [00:45:15] We specifically, that was Rand Paul said, Hey, let's at least get a little watchdog going, making sure this is going to good places. [00:45:22] And they said, absolutely not. [00:45:23] So not, is that not, you're telling me there's all these journalists in a fucking room and no one thinks of this question? [00:45:32] Oh, we've given you more aid than we've ever given any other country. [00:45:36] And we're giving you now a pledge to continue it. [00:45:42] What do they all say? [00:45:43] Until the job's done. [00:45:44] So this is just going to continue until the job's done, whatever the fuck that means, till the end is what Joe Biden keeps saying, which is a kind of creepy way to put it when you're dealing with the threat of nuclear war. [00:45:54] But that's what we'll just keep giving you this money. [00:45:56] Okay, cool. [00:45:57] Hey, journalist, what would the number one question be? [00:46:01] How are you going to do that? [00:46:02] Yeah. [00:46:02] Where's the money going? [00:46:03] And on that note, how'd the PPE loans go? [00:46:06] I mean, that was money that we distributed within our own country. [00:46:09] And how much of that went to the people that were actually needed it or were supposed to get it? [00:46:13] And you're telling me that you're going to send all this money halfway across the world without any oversight whatsoever. [00:46:19] And what, you think the people receiving it are just going to be charitable to make sure, hey, that was supposed to go to the U.S. war effort over here. [00:46:25] Don't go buying that thing. [00:46:26] Don't go putting that in your account. === Calling a Nazi a Jew (09:13) === [00:46:28] That's not supposed to be for that. [00:46:30] Sure. [00:46:31] Yeah. [00:46:31] I mean, it's like, and there's not even an effort to like, oh, okay. [00:46:34] Yeah, maybe that's something we should be concerned with. [00:46:37] And it's, it's amazing. [00:46:39] I, and it, you know, it is disappointing, but how many people seem to have no interest in even asking these basic questions or they don't even want to know because it just, it might get kind of uncomfortable if they were to ask these questions. [00:46:58] Because it's just, you know, narratives can be comfortable. [00:47:01] It can be comforting. [00:47:02] And then these questions can kind of tear apart your narrative. [00:47:05] And a lot of people don't like that. [00:47:06] And you can kind of see it. [00:47:07] Like I remember thinking as I was watching you destroy that whole room that you can understand where, you know, particularly with the COVID stuff, where it's a tough thing to grapple with when if like I'm sure almost all those people in that room legitimately gave up years of their lives, or at least like an insane amount of the quality of years of their lives. [00:47:37] And to have to confront the possibility that maybe I did this because I was completely fooled in, and you know what I mean, by much more powerful people who were doing it for their own reasons. [00:47:50] That's a very difficult thing to confront. [00:47:52] A very difficult thing to confront that I altered my entire life because I'm an idiot because I was being stupid. [00:47:58] You know, not even saying they're an idiot, but just they were on this topic. [00:48:03] Okay. [00:48:04] Before we wrap up, I did want to briefly mention. [00:48:07] So I don't know if you saw this, Rob. [00:48:09] But so I was in another hit piece. [00:48:15] And God, I don't know why. [00:48:17] This is just, it's entertaining. [00:48:18] Nazis this time, rapists, racists. [00:48:20] What are we? [00:48:21] Nazis, you guessed it right now. [00:48:22] We are drugging women on dates. [00:48:25] Yeah, that didn't come up. [00:48:27] But so it's Media Matters, which is, you know, just this fucking pathetic, like progressive, you know, hit job publication, just goddamn awful. [00:48:41] But so they did a piece on, they were trying to take out Tim Poole. [00:48:47] So they did a piece on Tim Poole and all the guests that he's had on this year and how terrible they all were. [00:48:54] So I made the list. [00:48:55] I was honored to be a part of it. [00:48:57] There were many others who shared this honor with me, but it was all in an attempt to get at Tim Poole and talk about how awful he is, of course, because Tim Poole is just crushing the game and is substantially bigger than so much of the corporate press at this point. [00:49:13] It's really beautiful. [00:49:16] But anyway, so this guy, Justin Horowitz, is at Justin Horowitz underscore on Twitter, if you want to go say hi to him. [00:49:25] Although I'll tell you, he's on a, he's, he turned his account private after I responded to him. [00:49:30] But he says, he tweets, comedian Dave Smith is, quote, a Nazi sympathizer who believes Jews run forces that are killing the society. [00:49:42] Like, okay. [00:49:44] And then a theme on our show for a long time. [00:49:46] Jewish run forces. [00:49:47] I mean, we do three shows a week and we really lay out our thoughts on politics. [00:49:52] And that's been the main through line is that Jewish forces are undermining our society. [00:49:57] Well, it's a funny thing because it's like a journalist did his homework. [00:50:00] Good for this guy. [00:50:01] Right. [00:50:02] Like the funny thing about it is that, so he's quoting that Seth Simons fucking retard, also sexual predator, evidently. [00:50:12] He's been accused of it multiple times. [00:50:14] So he's quoting him talking about me. [00:50:17] So here's one guy quoting another dishonest hack, just giving the most ridiculous spin. [00:50:23] And it's the funny thing is I kind of know, at least with part of it, it's like, oh, I know what they're basing this on. [00:50:31] You know what I mean? [00:50:32] It's like, I know what comment they're referring to. [00:50:36] But then it's just like twisted and put in the most ridiculous light. [00:50:39] But it's really funny because as you kind of alluded to, you have, it's like for people who listen to this show, and we've got a nice size audience of people who listen to this show. [00:50:50] It really is, it's unbelievable for them to like see someone say this and go, wait a minute, that's how you would describe these guys? [00:50:58] You would describe these guys as they're Nazi sympathizers who think the Jews are ruining society. [00:51:05] That's weird. [00:51:06] Because if we felt that way, you'd think it would come up sometimes. [00:51:09] But you may have listened to 200 episodes of this show and never heard anything like that. [00:51:13] Oh, yeah, because we're not because that's not at all how we view things. [00:51:17] Um, anyway, uh, and he said, Smith is connected to white nationalist Proud Boys leader Gavin McInnes and appeared on Poole's show in September. [00:51:30] I'd like to be connected with him. [00:51:31] I like what he's doing. [00:51:31] Someone give me his address. [00:51:33] I was like, What does that mean? [00:51:34] Connected with him? [00:51:35] Like, I know him. [00:51:36] Of course, Gavin's also not a white nationalist. [00:51:40] Kevin, it's also five years ago. [00:51:42] You were both at Stand Up New York Labs on different days. [00:51:44] So there's a connection. [00:51:46] Yes, there's a put that up on your wall of the deep cabal of Jewish Nazis working with non-white nationalists. [00:51:54] That's right. [00:51:54] I'm connected to, yes, I am connected as in I know this person. [00:52:00] I'm connected to Gavin McInnes. [00:52:02] Weirdly, I wonder if they would ever say, like, hey, Vice magazine is connected to Gavin McGinnis. [00:52:09] I mean, he did found it. [00:52:10] He did found the company, but I'm sure that's not a problem. [00:52:13] But also, Gavin McGinnis, for a white nationalist, he is in an interracial marriage with mixed race kids. [00:52:18] That also, I don't know. [00:52:20] I'm sure that has no bearing on whether someone is a white nationalist or not, but you would think that would kind of fuck with the narrative. [00:52:25] But anyway, so I, anyway, I just thought this was entertaining. [00:52:30] So he got, I mean, his tweet had like no traction on it at all. [00:52:35] It's in this long thread of how awful Tim Poole's people are. [00:52:38] But I did tweet back at him and I said, I'm Jewish and my family was killed by Nazis. [00:52:44] I hate Nazis even more than I hate garbage hack liars like yourself. [00:52:48] The thing is, you're a dime a dozen and there are very few actual Nazis. [00:52:52] It must really burn that Tim Cast is crushing the game and you're an absolute nobody. [00:52:56] So that was my response to him. [00:52:58] And the tweet immediately blew up and fucking the dude turned his account on private as of last I've seen. [00:53:06] Yeah. [00:53:06] Oh, look at that. [00:53:07] Still on private. [00:53:08] Yep. [00:53:10] So anyway, I thought it was just pretty entertaining that these guys will come out and call people Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. [00:53:19] And then they're like, they run away and turn their accounts on fucking private because they can't. [00:53:24] Can you imagine ever just like launching an accusation against someone like that and then not being prepared to like back it up? [00:53:31] It's like, I don't, a lot of people tell me, and actually had lawyers who have contacted me and told me that I should sue the new Republic, who had, they had called me a Nazi sympathizer in one of their pieces. [00:53:45] And now people are telling me I should sue Media Matters. [00:53:47] And the truth is, I'm not going to do that. [00:53:49] It's just not my style. [00:53:51] I don't. [00:53:51] Some money. [00:53:52] Yeah, but I don't really want. [00:53:53] First of all, I don't really want to take other people's money. [00:53:55] Like, I want to make my own fucking money. [00:53:57] And I don't really believe in like going through some government process to fucking go have the government take their money for this. [00:54:05] I just, it's not my thing. [00:54:09] But I would say, I just like, I wouldn't even want that. [00:54:14] I don't even want any fucking money from this guy. [00:54:16] I don't care. [00:54:17] I want him to have to come on the show. [00:54:20] You know what I'm saying? [00:54:21] Yeah. [00:54:21] Yeah. [00:54:21] Like, that's what I want. [00:54:23] What I want is for him to have to, maybe not even this show on a neutral platform, whatever. [00:54:27] What I want is for him to have to stand next to me and argue that that shit is true and to humiliate him. [00:54:34] That's what I want. [00:54:35] That's like, to me, what I think should be the fair punishment. [00:54:37] I understand there's no real legal way to enforce this, but that's what I think should be like the fair thing to happen here. [00:54:45] If you're going to go out with like a big publication behind you and call somebody a Nazi sympathizer, you got to go defend that in front of them. [00:54:55] Like I get to face my accuser and to just rip him apart as I have when I've debated everybody else who's fucking called me this shit. [00:55:03] So anyway, I felt that to happen. [00:55:05] I actually feel bad for Nazis that they have to be grouped in with Jews like us. [00:55:09] Yeah, it's a real insulting thing on both ends. [00:55:12] Like, it's very insulting to call a Jew a Nazi. [00:55:14] It's almost like calling a Nazi a Jew. [00:55:17] You know, either one is very offensive. [00:55:19] All right, look, we're going to wrap up on that. [00:55:22] But anyway, these guys should have to like on some level, they should have to like defend their positions instead of running and hiding like little cowards. [00:55:29] But anyway, he did run and hide one more time. [00:55:32] That was Justin Horowitz from Media Matters. [00:55:36] Go if he ever takes his account off private. [00:55:39] Go let him know how you feel. [00:55:40] All right. [00:55:40] Thanks for listening. [00:55:41] Catch you next time. [00:55:42] Peace.