Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - a Coup In Our Country
Aired: 2022-12-22
Duration: 52:34


=== Government Overreach and Big Brother (10:46) ===

[00:00:01]  Fill her up.
[00:00:02]  You are listening to the Gash Digital Network.
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[00:00:22]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:27]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:30]  Here's your host, Dave Smith.
[00:00:34]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  What's up?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:38]  I am Dave Smith, the most consistent motherfucker you know.
[00:00:40]  He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein, the king of the caulks, the Jesus of COVID.
[00:00:45]  How are you, good, sir?
[00:00:46]  I'm doing well.
[00:00:47]  How are you, Davey Smith?
[00:00:48]  Doing good.
[00:00:49]  Doing good.
[00:00:49]  Can't complain.
[00:00:51]  A lot of stuff going on.
[00:00:52]  I'm excited to talk with you about.
[00:00:54]  Of course, don't forget, guys, my last stand-up show of the year will be on New Year's Eve in Los Angeles with Louis J. Gomez.
[00:01:04]  The first show we opened sold out, or the first show we were doing sold out.
[00:01:08]  So we just opened the second show.
[00:01:09]  So there are still tickets available.
[00:01:11]  If you want to come spend New Year's with me and Louis J. Gomez, come on out.
[00:01:16]  And then in the new year, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein are going on the road pretty heavy.
[00:01:20]  We've already got on the books, what is St. Louis, Detroit, Dallas, Pennsylvania, Tampa, Tampa.
[00:01:29]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:01:30]  Bunch of stuff coming up.
[00:01:31]  ComicDaveSmith.com.
[00:01:33]  I will post all of the ticket links there.
[00:01:35]  So come see us when we come near you.
[00:01:37]  Rob, of course, you got your end of the year shit going down.
[00:01:40]  Big banger at the shell.
[00:01:42]  It's a libertarian clubhouse.
[00:01:43]  Make the journey.
[00:01:44]  Gonna have the Shedcast Boys with me playing some tunes.
[00:01:47]  I'm doing my end year recap.
[00:01:48]  I got some local hilarious Connecticut comics coming with me.
[00:01:51]  It's gonna be a good time.
[00:01:52]  And we, and it looks like we might be, me and you might be adding another show in Maryland, I think, in the new year.
[00:01:59]  We're looking into that.
[00:02:00]  So we'll let you guys keep you posted on all that stuff.
[00:02:03]  All right.
[00:02:04]  So we've, we got another batch of Twitter files.
[00:02:11]  It was seven or 70, 17, 77.
[00:02:16]  I don't know.
[00:02:19]  There's been a lot of Twitter files.
[00:02:20]  I got to tell you, though, this one was good.
[00:02:23]  This was a really good Twitter files dump.
[00:02:27]  Now this thing is starting to ebb and flow.
[00:02:29]  Like you're a part of this, you know, long movie series and you're like, I don't know, part four kind of fell off a little bit.
[00:02:36]  And then you're like, oh, but they're coming back.
[00:02:37]  Part seven was really, really interesting.
[00:02:40]  And this was a different journalist who got this batch, right, Rob?
[00:02:44]  Who was the, what's his name again?
[00:02:46]  Sorry, I'm blanking.
[00:02:47]  Oh, he wrote two really good books, neither of which I've read.
[00:02:51]  But he's Michael Schellenberger.
[00:02:54]  He's got good books on, I think, global warming in San Francisco or something.
[00:02:59]  Okay, interesting.
[00:03:00]  Well, this was a new batch that I'll tell you, there were spicy.
[00:03:08]  Yeah, there were things.
[00:03:10]  Basically, I think for the most part so far, these Twitter files have been kind of proving us right in what we all kind of suspected/slash knew, but was largely claimed to be not true.
[00:03:30]  We've kind of been given evidence that it is.
[00:03:32]  This batch really got into some shit that was like, oh, wow, I did not even know it was this bad.
[00:03:38]  Now, if you had, I think if you had asked either of us, you know, before this batch came out, could this be the situation?
[00:03:45]  We'd have said, sure, it's possible.
[00:03:47]  But there were a few things in there where I was like, wow, this was really something.
[00:03:51]  So let's go over some of it.
[00:03:55]  One of the big things that came out of this was that it wasn't, we had previously known there was the guy Baker, who basically went through the revolving door from the FBI over to Twitter.
[00:04:06]  He's also worked, you know, if you follow his career, it's like a long career of being in and out of government.
[00:04:13]  And it's, it's really something to watch the way these guys' careers move.
[00:04:16]  You know, he works at the FBI, then he goes to like the Brookings Institute, then he spends a few years at some like, you know, wealth fund management company or something like that, then back to the FBI, then to Twitter.
[00:04:30]  But evidently, it was not just him.
[00:04:32]  There was a team of former FBI employees who were all working at Twitter.
[00:04:39]  And evidently they would all, they had a back channel where they were all communicating.
[00:04:45]  Don Burton is another name.
[00:04:47]  He was the former deputy chief of staff to FBI head James Comey.
[00:04:52]  So the guy who was working right underneath James Comey, the guy who started the whole Trump Russia gate shit, this guy then goes over to Twitter.
[00:05:00]  He joined Twitter in 2019.
[00:05:03]  So if you think goes right from, you know, working on the fucking like Trump-Russia investigation into Twitter.
[00:05:11]  As of 2020, there were so many, this is a quote from Schellenberger.
[00:05:16]  As of 2020, there were so many former FBI employees working at Twitter that they had created their own private Slack channel and a crib sheet to onboard new FBI arrivals.
[00:05:29]  That's pretty incredible.
[00:05:31]  I mean, not only is this, you know, I was pretty certain, obviously, that there was government involvement in this.
[00:05:37]  I did not realize it was quite this where the FBI was really, you could look at it in a way, taking over this company.
[00:05:45]  Anything, anything on that, Rob?
[00:05:48]  Well, that was one element that was shocking.
[00:05:52]  I thought that it was very interesting that the FBI was saying that the other apps are actually easier to deal with than Twitter when Twitter was giving the slightest bit of pushback.
[00:06:04]  Now, I had assumed that there were FBI informants like a Baker guy who supposedly doesn't work at the FBI anymore and now works as legal counsel over there.
[00:06:13]  And then he's the guy who gets to then sit down and report back intelligence to the FBI.
[00:06:17]  So all that's interesting.
[00:06:19]  I'm surprised that Yola Roth was seemingly trying to defend the platform.
[00:06:24]  And I will just say for good business purposes of you don't want to be in the media as a platform that just shares information with the intelligence community.
[00:06:34]  I don't think users appreciate that.
[00:06:36]  And so it was very interesting that Twitter was kind of pushing back to go, hey, these requests have to come through legal channels.
[00:06:43]  For as much as they were playing ball, the FBI was even pushing the comfort limits of the liberals who are on board with basically the censorship and then ultimately violated their own policies to just go, hey, this Hunter Biden thing looks like it could be a campaign based on nothing, literally based on nothing.
[00:07:02]  But like even when they were willing to, I guess, at the crucial moments, be like, all right, we'll play ball with the FBI because we're on board with their agenda.
[00:07:10]  Like that's how that's how much they are in line with the vision of the FBI.
[00:07:14]  Even those individuals were made comfortable with the nature of some of the requests.
[00:07:18]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:07:19]  It's there's there's something really interesting about what you mentioned there, which is true, is this nugget that from the FBI's perspective, Twitter was one of the more difficult social media companies to deal with.
[00:07:32]  Now, of course, we don't have a Facebook files and a YouTube files and a Google files or any of this shit, right?
[00:07:38]  We just have this one billionaire who took over Twitter and is releasing all of this stuff.
[00:07:43]  To think that they have completely infiltrated this company, have a team of former FBI employees who, to the point that they have back channels and a whole procedure to onboard new FBI employees into the company, and they're communicating in secret.
[00:08:00]  And then they have their, they're, you know, like they, they have all top, their top guys are meeting with the FBI regularly, meeting with the director of national intelligence regularly, all this stuff.
[00:08:11]  And they still feel like, man, this one's a little bit tough.
[00:08:15]  This one's a little bit tricky.
[00:08:17]  Like, God, it does just make you wonder what's going on at these other tech platforms.
[00:08:21]  How much do they have them just on lock?
[00:08:24]  Um, so that's a that's an interesting element to all of this.
[00:08:28]  Sure, go ahead.
[00:08:29]  I just want to quickly say, I also, I just think your point bears repeating that it's like, look, for all of the people out there who were kind of making the kind of anti-libertarian argument for many years that really the problem here is these private companies have so much power.
[00:08:45]  And really the problem here is that they're dominated by people who have this progressive ideology.
[00:08:50]  It's not that there's no truth to that, but man, this batch really, I mean, whatever, maybe I'm biased in saying this, but it really makes the libertarian argument look a lot stronger that even these progressive Silicon Valley Twitter people were like giving the FBI some pushback and they had to really put the screws to him to get him to do what they wanted.
[00:09:10]  And ultimately they did.
[00:09:13]  This Elvis guy needs to be brought in front of Senate or Congress because we had an interesting little drop from why am I so bad with names?
[00:09:24]  The head of Zuckerberg, when he was on Rogan, basically saying that the FBI let us know wink, wink, nod, nod, some bad disinformation is going to be on the platforms to be on the lookout for.
[00:09:34]  In this paper, though, we get significant evidence that one, the FBI clearly knew that that was not Russian disinformation, and yet they aggressively reached out to the platforms and basically said, hey, this is the one we need you to be on board with.
[00:09:48]  There's information coming out through a back channel.
[00:09:50]  This is what we need you guys to be on board with.
[00:09:53]  And it definitely changed the election.
[00:09:54]  I mean, this author lays it out really well that basically when you've got the intelligence community and social media going, hey, that this is hacked information and they're taking it off their platforms.
[00:10:04]  So then the only people who are putting it out is the New York Post or you and I.
[00:10:07]  And we seem crazy because the entire machine is saying, hey, this is direct from the Russians.
[00:10:12]  What we found out is essentially the old Democratic Guard managed to infiltrate the FBI, get fake, you know, fake intelligence information to say that this is disinformation when it wasn't.
[00:10:25]  I mean, the FBI is literally a branch of the Democratic Party at this point.
[00:10:29]  And I mean, that's something that the highest level of corruption and investigation needs to be delved into.
[00:10:36]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:10:37]  And I just, just to make, to put a finer point on that, I just think for it to be clear to people that it's not, I don't think it's as simple as they're a branch of the Democratic Party.

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[00:10:52]  Like this would not have been happening to Jeb Bush if he was the nominee.
[00:10:58]  But I completely agree with the spirit of everything you're saying.
[00:11:01]  It's really crazy.
[00:11:03]  I mean, this is transparent.
[00:11:04]  They literally shut down an honest election by going, hey, this bombshell news story can't be reported on.
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=== Bernie Sanders Sexism Allegations (13:04) ===

[00:13:18]  Now, another thing, which I will grant, maybe I just kind of didn't think this through enough because we covered pretty extensively the Zuckerberg comments that he made on the Joe Rogan experience when he said that the FBI had come to him like a couple weeks before the Hunter Biden thing came out.
[00:13:34]  And I, you know, I remember thinking this at the time, but I didn't really like to think about it that much.
[00:13:41]  But I remember thinking, like, oh, there's one piece of information that's kind of a question mark there, which is, how did they know this was about to come out?
[00:13:51]  And then as you're going through reading these Twitter files, you realize you're like, oh, yeah, no, look, this guy, the guy from the laptop repair store, he gave it to them way earlier.
[00:14:01]  I think it was in two, it was either 2018 or 2019 that he sent this thing to the FBI.
[00:14:08]  And then in 2020, he hands it off to Rudy Giuliani.
[00:14:11]  They hand it off to the Washington Post.
[00:14:13]  But what you see here in this is the FBI freaking out in the weeks leading up to that.
[00:14:19]  And then the day before the Washington Post, I'm sorry, not the Washington Post, the New York Post puts out the story.
[00:14:27]  Then that leads you to wonder, like, well, how do they know about all this?
[00:14:30]  And the answer is fairly obvious.
[00:14:33]  They were spying on these people.
[00:14:35]  They were spying on Giuliani.
[00:14:36]  They were spying on or the people at the New York Post or something because they were ahead of the fact that this story was about to come out.
[00:14:43]  And in fact, it was confirmed that Giuliani was being surveilled by the FBI at the time that this happened.
[00:14:51]  So that's another little interesting wrinkle in all of this.
[00:14:54]  That's interesting.
[00:14:55]  I figured someone just called up the FBI to say, hey, it's time for you to put out what you received.
[00:14:59]  Otherwise, we're moving forward with it.
[00:15:01]  But we're both filling in gaps here.
[00:15:04]  So it's just as likely spying.
[00:15:06]  Yeah.
[00:15:06]  Well, I suppose it's possible it could be either of those two.
[00:15:10]  Although it has been confirmed that they were surveilling Rudy Giuliani at the time.
[00:15:13]  So anyway, just another little element of the twist.
[00:15:16]  There was one other thing in this dump.
[00:15:18]  I encourage people to go read the whole thing.
[00:15:20]  It's very interesting.
[00:15:21]  There was one other piece of information that really jumped out at me, which was that they, so basically, this whole Origin of this entire beast, as was this, is what uh Taibbi said in the last batch of Twitter files that basically the 2016 campaign was to tech censorship.
[00:15:46]  The and specifically in the 2016 campaign, the allegations of Russian interference in the election, which of course was the whole nugget that the whole Russiagate hoax was built off of, um, and then that Donald Trump colluded with them in this interference.
[00:16:00]  But that this allegation led to the uh the expansion of the censorship regime in the same way 9-11 led to the expansion of the war on terrorism or something like that.
[00:16:11]  You know, like that it was this was the justification for this incredible, you know, uh, uh, buildup of a relationship between the Intel agency and uh social media.
[00:16:25]  And this is what led to all of you know the world that we live in now.
[00:16:28]  And, you know, like I've talked about before on the show, I just remember, I remember very well a time in like 2016, uh, to you know, like 2017, maybe when there would just be like, look, however you feel about this, I'm not saying you have to support these people, but I'm just saying just to understand the difference in social media.
[00:16:51]  I remember literally just getting in Twitter fights with like hardcore white nationalists who were just on Twitter and they'd be, they'd, you know, they'd be like, fuck you, you dumb kite, blah, blah, blah.
[00:17:05]  And just like say things like this to you.
[00:17:07]  And it was just like, yeah, hey, man, it's Twitter.
[00:17:10]  I don't know.
[00:17:11]  People can say whatever the fuck they want to say.
[00:17:13]  Like, that's the way it is.
[00:17:14]  And it's so funny that like now, if you ever saw a like someone who had like a big following on social media say something like that, you'd immediately be like, I mean, this account will be gone in five minutes.
[00:17:30]  There's just that, that is just not the way of the world.
[00:17:33]  Now, that maybe isn't the best example of where you're like, oh, well, we really need to make sure that person doesn't get kicked off or something.
[00:17:39]  But the problem is, as we know, is that, oh, it's not just that person who gets kicked off.
[00:17:43]  It's also like just people who maybe are presenting scientific evidence why vaccines don't work the way people are claiming they work or something like that.
[00:17:50]  Lockdowns don't work.
[00:17:51]  Anyway, but so this was one of the things that I thought was a really big takeaway that I think may have gone a little bit under the radar with some of this other stuff that we found out in this dump.
[00:18:03]  But this to me was very big is that Twitter had been telling the FBI that in fact, we're seeing very little evidence that there was any Russian involvement in 2016.
[00:18:16]  Not just like anything, you know, the claim about Hunter Biden's laptop, which we know is bullshit, but even you have Twitter letting the FBI know that they're like, hey, we're looking at this and like, there was very little Russian activity in the 2016 election.
[00:18:30]  This whole thing is a big house of cards.
[00:18:32]  I think you said on the last episode when we compared the Russian interference to 9-11, you said at least 9-11 happened.
[00:18:41]  It's starting to seem more and more like there's actually nothing here that was even.
[00:18:47]  And so the people at Twitter kind of know this.
[00:18:49]  They said, oh, we haven't seen.
[00:18:54]  Okay.
[00:18:54]  In fact, Twitter debunks false claims by journalists of foreign interference on its platform.
[00:18:59]  We haven't seen any evidence to support that claim.
[00:19:03]  Our reviews thus far show a small-scale domestic troll effort.
[00:19:09]  Well, this is something that you and I have been talking about for a while that when they were saying that there was Russian interference, well, it's like, or that Trump was able to win because of misinformation on social media.
[00:19:19]  Social media is a tool for winning elections.
[00:19:22]  Like, what were the Clintons doing comparably?
[00:19:24]  What kind of money were they getting from other governments that they're using to do posts on social media?
[00:19:29]  So this was always like an unstudied claim.
[00:19:31]  It's very similar to every time I hear the growing anti-Semitism.
[00:19:35]  What evidence do you have?
[00:19:36]  You got one crazy rapper?
[00:19:37]  And so that's evidence of the fact that, well, we got to have a new agenda to remove anti-Semitism from the United States of America.
[00:19:43]  Like, where do you see evidence of this growing tide?
[00:19:46]  So, this is the same thing.
[00:19:47]  Anyone talk, like, I mean, it's amazing how much policy they implemented off of this claim of that Russia was influencing off of social media, but they never attributed a number to it.
[00:19:57]  And you right.
[00:19:58]  And you realize these claims are very easy.
[00:20:01]  It's very easy almost to like make these claims.
[00:20:04]  And then, even if there was some truth to it, now Twitter here seems to be saying, we don't see any truth to this.
[00:20:08]  But regardless of that, even if there was some truth that like, you know, Russia, you know, or some Russian company was buying up some bot farms or some Facebook ads or some Twitter bots or whatever, something like that.
[00:20:22]  Right.
[00:20:23]  To the point you're making, right?
[00:20:25]  That's like the first thing there is that you go like, okay, it's easy to just present that and then go look, evidence of interference.
[00:20:32]  But to actually understand things, you'd go like, well, I mean, what other countries are buying up bot farms?
[00:20:38]  Who, who else is placing ads?
[00:20:40]  What, how, what percentage of them are for the Democrats versus the Republicans?
[00:20:44]  What percent, what countries are all, are all of them coming from?
[00:20:47]  What's the difference between that and internal domestic, you know, bots and things of this sort?
[00:20:53]  It reminds me of the, um, there would always be this claim that they had hit Bernie Sanders with a lot.
[00:21:00]  And of course, we're not big Bernie Sanders fans, but we could also recognize that the machine really turned against Bernie Sanders in both his 2016 and 2020 presidential run.
[00:21:11]  And they used to make the claim all the time, and it would like get repeated at the debates.
[00:21:15]  If you remember that the Bernie bros, as they called them, were kind of this toxic masculine, you know, culture, which, you know, for anyone who knows men who support Bernie Sanders, it's a pretty hilarious claim that these guys are like really toxic men or something like that.
[00:21:33]  Like, anyway, they're bitch hilanity.
[00:21:37]  Yeah, they seem to me whiny fucks, mostly male feminists from what I've seen, but okay.
[00:21:43]  But they would say like, oh, well, they're known to like harass women online and be very sexist.
[00:21:50]  And again, it'd be a thing like, okay, you can find some tweets.
[00:21:57]  I mean, anybody who's at Bernie Sanders' level of popularity, where you have, you know, millions and millions of people, probably tens of millions of people who are passionate supporters of yours, anyone like that, you could point to and say, well, look, here's how this follower of yours did this.
[00:22:17]  You know, here's a follower of yours who said something shitty.
[00:22:20]  I mean, how would you possibly be able to control that?
[00:22:24]  Even someone just like at our level, you'll, I'm sure there'll be commenters in our YouTube comment section or people who follow us on Twitter who might say some shit where you're like, man, you really shouldn't have said that.
[00:22:35]  But it's just impossible to control.
[00:22:37]  And after a certain level, you're like, I don't know.
[00:22:39]  There's a lot of people.
[00:22:40]  There's, I don't know.
[00:22:41]  Yes.
[00:22:41]  Some of them are going to say shit that I don't really agree with or that's rude or shitty.
[00:22:46]  But then, of course, it would always be this thing that like Bernie Sanders had to answer for, you know, at the debates.
[00:22:53]  But no one would ever kind of, you know, there's no, it's just so completely unscientific to just go, oh, some people on Twitter are saying this, therefore it's you.
[00:23:03]  And then you'd almost be like, if you really wanted to get a gauge of this, like, what do you mean by their being sexist?
[00:23:09]  Do you mean that they're like criticizing Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton or something like that?
[00:23:14]  Are they like, what are they saying about them?
[00:23:17]  Then are you measuring that against, you know, sexism towards men?
[00:23:21]  Are you, because it's just so easy for like your own bias to dictate how you're perceiving this supposed social science?
[00:23:29]  I remember once, I've mentioned this before on the show years ago, but I remember watching during the Trump campaign.
[00:23:38]  And it was so funny.
[00:23:39]  These people are such caricatures.
[00:23:41]  But it was Joy Ann Reed on MSNBC, who's even amongst MSNBC hosts, pretty dumb.
[00:23:50]  And she was, they had a segment.
[00:23:53]  She used to end her show with this segment of who won the week.
[00:23:57]  And her and her panel would go through and just say, who, you know, who did the best thing this week?
[00:24:01]  You know, and you could talk about whatever you wanted to.
[00:24:03]  And so she first, before she goes into her end of the show, who won the week segment, she goes off on this rant about the sexist double standards toward Hillary Clinton.
[00:24:14]  And, you know, kind of typical feminist-y garbage, you know, where it's like, well, Hillary Clinton gets called, you know, whatever.
[00:24:22]  Hillary Clinton gets called, you know, like they criticize her high-pitched voice or something like that, or they tell her to smile or they use these words like pushy and naggy.
[00:24:33]  But men are that men get referred to as assertive and competent and all this, but, you know, all this like, oh, it's unfair the way people treat women in the media.
[00:24:43]  It's, they're all sexist.
[00:24:45]  And then they go to the who won the week segment and everyone gets to pick one.
[00:24:52]  And then Joy Reed, the host of the show, not one of the people on the panel, her pick for who won the week was the person who made the naked Donald Trump micro penis statue, where it was like a blow-up balloon type thing in Union Square in New York City.
[00:25:09]  And they just show this naked, crazy fat with a micro penis, Donald Trump.
[00:25:15]  And she just goes, that's who won the week.
[00:25:17]  Directly after an entire segment complaining about sexism.
[00:25:21]  Now, of course, she would never see that as sexism because that's just not what she's talking about.
[00:25:27]  But you're like, I mean, if you're just looking at this from a neutral perspective, you're like, my God, if anyone ever imagined this being targeted at any woman in the public eye.
[00:25:38]  It's like, try to imagine, like, just blatantly making fun of like her tits or ass or something like that.
[00:25:44]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:44]  Like, it's just like, you can't even fathom it.
[00:25:46]  It would be so over the line, even for like, you know, whoever, even whatever the, the, you know, right-wing equivalent on Fox News of Joy Reid is, none of them would ever dare go to like that level of like, let me show Trump with a micro penis, whatever the fuck the equal opposite of that would be.
[00:26:05]  So there's just things like that where they go like, it's almost like a similar thing with the Russian interference on social media or even with the Bernie Sanders being sexist.
[00:26:13]  You're like, well, I don't know how many people said, you know, if you're going to say people who were like shitty to women online, how many people were shitty to men online?
[00:26:21]  How many people were like shitty?

=== Corporate Revolutions and CIA Secrets (11:24) ===

[00:26:22]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:26:23]  Like it's always these things are very difficult to actually measure.
[00:26:28]  And it's very easy to just build a narrative and then act as if you've produced evidence.
[00:26:34]  And we have evidence that Bernie Sanders, that Bernie Bros are toxic because here's a list of tweets where they were shitty.
[00:26:40]  You know, but you're like, yeah, but you're not really comparing it or getting an overall picture of what's going on on Twitter.
[00:26:45]  And it seems like there's something similar there with this stuff.
[00:26:49]  But anyway, pretty crazy to me that Twitter is out there saying, quote, our review thus far shows a small scale domestic troll effort.
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[00:28:25]  Another major thing that was revealed from uh from this batch of Twitter files, which I, this, I gotta say, I wouldn't have even, I mean, not that I'm shocked by it, but I certainly never thought we were gonna see this.
[00:28:40]  I figured they would be, I don't know, more careful than this.
[00:28:44]  But it turns out, and let me quote uh Schellenberger again: the FBI's influence campaign may have been helped by the fact that it was paying Twitter millions of dollars for its staff time.
[00:28:57]  I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,000, $323, but $3.4 million since October of 2019, reports an associate of Jim Baker in early 2021.
[00:29:18]  So, in two years, the FBI had handed over 3.5 million bucks to Twitter.
[00:29:26]  I don't know, man.
[00:29:27]  It's like that was, I don't know how you felt, Rob, but that to me, I was even like, oh, wow, I didn't think they were just giving them millions of dollars.
[00:29:35]  I figured it was more of like a wink and a nod type deal.
[00:29:40]  Well, it's an interesting play because they're paying their own compliance cost, but they're also bitching out the entire company because they're basically going, You work for us, there's information that we need and we'll pay you for it, but don't tell us no.
[00:29:54]  So, we'll take care of the cost, whatever the costs are that you come back to us and say that we got to pay in order to get the information that we need.
[00:30:00]  We'll pay it, but don't tell us we can't have it.
[00:30:02]  And it's interesting because there's been a long-running relationship.
[00:30:05]  Like ATT pay uh sends a sells a shit ton of data to the government.
[00:30:10]  Uh, and what's kind of creepy in this one is that they keep referencing IC intelligence community, and they're like trying to get the NSA and CIA lines of communication.
[00:30:22]  I don't really understand the relationship between these government agencies that FBI is allowed to talk to, Twitter and these other agencies cannot.
[00:30:30]  But my general thought is that the NSA and CIA has all this information, they just have to figure out legal back channels so that they can cross-reference their own work to some sort of a legal like mechanism.
[00:30:43]  Yes, technically, according to the CIA charter, they're not allowed to do operations within the United States, right?
[00:30:50]  So, they throw it to the FBI's terrorist unit or something like that.
[00:30:56]  But, or sometimes they just do it anyway.
[00:30:58]  But, yes, there's these little like legalities that they always find a way to get around.
[00:31:03]  Um, I think, by the way, that should be a part of this FBI thing with Elvis of what if the CIA is prohibited from this, then like who specifically at the CIA was requesting this information?
[00:31:14]  Why are they requesting this information?
[00:31:16]  Who are the other divisions of the intelligence community that's looking to gather intelligence on American citizens?
[00:31:22]  I mean, there's literally now, I guess, blatant information about the FBI purposely cheating the election for one party.
[00:31:29]  So who instructed to do that?
[00:31:31]  Why do they do that?
[00:31:32]  And then, two, who specifically intelligence community is looking to gather information on American citizens?
[00:31:38]  Look, I'll, okay.
[00:31:40]  Let me just say before I kind of go to this bigger picture thing, what was there anything else, any other specific nugget from these files that you thought was worth bringing up?
[00:31:48]  I think we got the juice.
[00:31:50]  Yeah, those were, to me, those were the big ones.
[00:31:51]  I figured you would feel the same way.
[00:31:53]  But so if we zoom out about this a little bit now, because this, of course, is the problem.
[00:31:58]  And I'll be the first to admit that I've been a little bit skeptical about the manner in which the Twitter files have been released.
[00:32:05]  However, I think there is an argument, an argument to releasing it in this manner, which is that it kind of keeps this story in the news cycle over and over again.
[00:32:18]  It puts corporate journalists in the position of having to be very defensive without knowing where exactly the wall is behind them.
[00:32:29]  You know, like they're kind of trying to back up.
[00:32:30]  And so it's like, well, how do you spin Twitter files five when you don't know what Twitter files six is going to say?
[00:32:37]  And do you really want to take a hard stance here and you don't know what they have that you don't have?
[00:32:41]  And so it's interesting.
[00:32:42]  I also do think, however you feel about some of these journalists, I'm a big fan of Matt Taibbi, not as big a fan of Barry Weiss.
[00:32:51]  But however you feel about this, it's kind of interesting that Elon Musk has been able to kind of like empower these more independent journalists and leave the corporate press being somewhat neutered, somewhat like, well, we're going to get the news from these people and you guys have no, nothing that you can really break here for me.
[00:33:15]  I can get it directly from Twitter.
[00:33:16]  So there's something cool about that.
[00:33:20]  But the problem, one of the problems with this type of delivery of this information is that you get lost in the latest thread of these Twitter files.
[00:33:33]  And it makes it a little bit more difficult to kind of go like, okay, well, what's the overarching story here?
[00:33:39]  What's the big narrative?
[00:33:41]  And I got to say, from what we know now, seven Twitter files in.
[00:33:47]  If you kind of zoom out, what are we looking at here?
[00:33:54]  And I got to say, it's looking damn similar to like basically a colored revolution.
[00:34:02]  You know, like basically what the CIA does in foreign countries, except being done here in the United States of America.
[00:34:11]  And if people aren't familiar with like colored revolutions or color-coded revolutions as they're referred to sometimes, these are basically soft regime change efforts where America, usually through the CIA and through other secret organizations, goes and tries to overthrow regimes that we don't like throughout the world.
[00:34:32]  And they'll do it by, you know, things like this, like creating narratives, suppressing information, ramping up other information, trying to kind of work up mass support against the leader we don't like and for the opposition that we do like.
[00:34:56]  I'm not, I want to be careful when I say this.
[00:34:58]  I'm not saying I know this to be true, but I, but I'm just saying this is something to think about.
[00:35:04]  In this type of operation, where when America does this in foreign countries, this type of election interference, as we blatantly, right, we would call it if another country was doing this to us.
[00:35:15]  I mean, we call, we say Russia interfered in the 2016 election, and we're looking at Twitter here saying there's no evidence of that.
[00:35:21]  But clearly, the FBI was interfering in the 2020 election.
[00:35:24]  There's really no other way.
[00:35:25]  They knew the Hunter Biden laptop story was real.
[00:35:28]  They knew it was not Russian disinformation.
[00:35:30]  They purposely leaned on Twitter and other tech companies to suppress this story for the intended goal of not allowing this to help Donald Trump win re-election.
[00:35:41]  They interfered in the election in 2020.
[00:35:45]  When we go and do that in these color-coded revolutions abroad, one element that's often involved in this is supporting big protests, getting people out in the streets.
[00:35:58]  This was done in Serbia, in Ukraine in 2004 and in 2014, and many other examples where America leads these color-coded revolutions.
[00:36:08]  And isn't it a bit of a coincidence that also this same year, this same year, saw the biggest sustained protests and riots in modern American history?
[00:36:23]  And this is also, these were also riots where, look, we know that the Black Lives Matter, the Summer of Love, you know, the George Floyd riots, we know that they had, look, the complete soft and hard backing of the corporate press.
[00:36:41]  We know how much the corporate press really kind of decided that this George Floyd story was going to be the national story, right?
[00:36:50]  We know that a whole bunch of very powerful people, including political leaders, were openly donating to bail money to get people back out on the streets who had been protested and got arrested for being violent at the riots and stuff like that.
[00:37:05]  It just does seem like it's quite a thing that as you step back and look at the year 2020, it has all the elements of a kind of colored revolution type deal.
[00:37:21]  Just saying, I think that's more and more as we step back.
[00:37:24]  That seems to be what we're looking at here.
[00:37:28]  So this is, and anybody who's trying to downplay the Twitter files, like, this is not, you know, this is very big.
[00:37:34]  This is very interesting stuff that's being revealed.
[00:37:37]  Not to say that you couldn't have suspected all of this stuff already, but it's kind of hard for me to not put a lot of these pieces together.

=== Criminal Charges Against Political Leaders (14:48) ===

[00:37:46]  You know, I like that.
[00:37:48]  I hadn't even considered it.
[00:37:50]  Yeah.
[00:37:50]  Well, it's just the more, you know, if you, if you just study the way they do these things in other countries, it does seem like it's like, oh, the FBI is operating with the same playbook.
[00:38:00]  But it is, it does feel a little bit different when they're doing it to they're doing it in the United States of America versus you know Serbia or something like that.
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[00:39:24]  By the way, in Serbia, the fucking, this is a really crazy one.
[00:39:27]  It's really interesting.
[00:39:28]  If anyone ever wants to go read about this, this was in the year 2000.
[00:39:32]  Do you remember the war, the like Kosovo wars in the late 90s?
[00:39:38]  So Bill Clinton, I'm a little bit older than you.
[00:39:39]  So I don't know if you like, I was old enough to like remember this as a kid, but Bill Clinton launched this NATO war against this guy Milosevic.
[00:39:48]  There were claims that he was like genociding his people.
[00:39:53]  All these claims he had killed 100,000 people and he was going to kill all the rest of them if we didn't do anything.
[00:39:59]  Anyway, after the war, they sent the FBI over there to investigate and they've found like no evidence of a genocide.
[00:40:06]  I mean, there were some people who had died.
[00:40:08]  They were like mostly, there's like, they said like 100,000 civilians had been killed and they found like graves of like a couple thousand people and they were mostly military age men.
[00:40:19]  It wasn't like clear that they didn't just die in the war, you know.
[00:40:22]  Anyway, this did not remove Milosevic.
[00:40:26]  He's, he was still in power and he was up for election in the year 2020.
[00:40:31]  And what they did, they had like this real deal regime change effort, but they did it all quote unquote legitimately.
[00:40:43]  So like first they sponsored this big protest movement, but it didn't work.
[00:40:47]  It didn't oust him from power.
[00:40:49]  So when that failed, then they just had the election coming up and they sent in, there's a great Washington Post article that really details like the whole thing, but they basically just did it all through kind of legit Democratic means.
[00:41:03]  But what they did was they go over to fucking Serbia, you know, this little country compared to the United States of America, and they sent over like the top Madison Avenue like campaign teams and then invited.
[00:41:15]  So basically, Milosevic was somewhat unpopular, but he was, he had lower negatives than any of the opposition.
[00:41:23]  Or he had high negatives, I think, but the opposition leaders who were challenging him also had high negatives.
[00:41:30]  And the opposition were all split.
[00:41:32]  So basically these like high-level Madison execs, they brought all the opposition leaders together.
[00:41:37]  They ran the most detailed Madison Avenue like focus group polling and found out which opposition leader had the lowest negatives.
[00:41:46]  And then they convinced every other opposition leader to drop out and support this guy.
[00:41:51]  So they convinced them to all coalesce around this one opposition leader that he was going to be the guy.
[00:41:56]  And they made this decision based off this real high level, like, you know, polling political science shit.
[00:42:01]  And then they just sent in like millions of dollars to have these like crazy, they, they sent like, I forget what it was, like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of spray paint and organized street teams of kids to go around and spray paint he is finished.
[00:42:17]  So everyone saw this everywhere all over Serbia.
[00:42:20]  You would just see he is finished written, spray painted on the side of every wall.
[00:42:24]  Then they had like hundreds of thousands of dollars of stickers that said he is finished and had the same street teams go out and put them up everywhere and all these like really detailed little intricate things.
[00:42:34]  And it worked and the guy won the fucking election.
[00:42:37]  So it wasn't, you know, like it wasn't Muamar Gaddafi.
[00:42:42]  It's not like they had a no-fly zone and then like fucking sponsored a bunch of like bin Ladenites to go fucking anally rape the guy to death.
[00:42:49]  It wasn't Saddam Hussein.
[00:42:51]  They didn't send in the military to overthrow the guy and then have the new propped up government hang him on television.
[00:42:57]  But what is that?
[00:42:59]  Was it a free and fair election?
[00:43:02]  No, you know, it was, it was America overthrowing a regime.
[00:43:07]  And so that's just one example.
[00:43:09]  That's just Serbia.
[00:43:10]  There's several others like this.
[00:43:12]  But there's just these things that they do where, like, yeah, okay, look, this isn't even ballot stuffing.
[00:43:18]  This isn't even like the accusations of like 2,000 mules or something like that.
[00:43:22]  This isn't like, you know, but what is this?
[00:43:26]  What is this?
[00:43:28]  This is the FBI clearly picking sides and suppressing information, you know, to get to get their guy in, paying millions of dollars to the company.
[00:43:39]  And yes, as you said, Rob, you can justify it behind, oh, they're paying their compliance costs.
[00:43:43]  But either way, you're handing millions of dollars to a company that then you're leaning on to do your bidding.
[00:43:51]  Yeah, this is this is fucking pretty interesting, important little part of history that's being revealed through these drops.
[00:44:06]  So yeah, really is something.
[00:44:09]  Okay, any other thoughts on this, Rob, or you want to move on to something else?
[00:44:13]  I think we did it, Ben.
[00:44:14]  Twitter files, part seven.
[00:44:16]  Twitter files, part seven.
[00:44:17]  Got me, part seven got me back in.
[00:44:19]  I'm looking forward to part eight.
[00:44:21]  All right.
[00:44:22]  All right.
[00:44:23]  A couple things.
[00:44:24]  What should we say?
[00:44:25]  So the January 6th committee.
[00:44:29]  Everyone's going to jail.
[00:44:30]  Every Republican.
[00:44:31]  Bring them all in.
[00:44:32]  Well, they did officially like, what, recommend criminal charges against Donald Trump or something like that?
[00:44:40]  And Jim Jordan and everyone who spoke to him on that day and the people that had their meetings.
[00:44:46]  I put this whole government on notice.
[00:44:49]  Well, what do you think about this?
[00:44:51]  I mean, we kind of know, you know, more or less, I know kind of how you feel about this stuff, probably the same way I do.
[00:44:59]  But do you think like, I will say, it does seem like this is at least seems like an attempt to lay some groundwork for charging Donald Trump at some point.
[00:45:11]  I mean, never think that just because these charges are trumped up, no pun intended, that that means that this government won't go through with them.
[00:45:21]  But it does seem like they're laying some groundwork to kind of be like, hey, if you're the nominee, we're going to start like this whole criminal procedure against you.
[00:45:30]  Well, I think they're always dipping the toes in the water.
[00:45:33]  And listen, the ratings on that January 6th thing, they were trying to do what the Twitter people are doing.
[00:45:38]  Every week, new little piece of information.
[00:45:40]  They got okay ratings the first time.
[00:45:42]  They brought the best in propaganda by the end of it.
[00:45:44]  No one's watching.
[00:45:44]  Nobody cares.
[00:45:46]  I don't think Merrick Garland's going to get this on his desk and go, oh, look, the whole country watched this and said we have to bring charges.
[00:45:53]  So I think if he does it, if anything, it's probably going to rally some troops behind Trump to go, hey, this is outrageous.
[00:45:59]  And if anything, give him a little bit more of a chance of victory when people realize, oh, the only way that we're going to defeat this stupid Democratic or deep state machine is actually if Trump gets back in there.
[00:46:09]  And of course, he won't do anything, but that's his path to victory is letting him be the underdog.
[00:46:16]  Yeah, they're caught in a little bit of a difficult position here.
[00:46:19]  And this is something that, you know, is concerning.
[00:46:24]  A lot of these things, you know, they're double-edged swords.
[00:46:26]  So this is, it's encouraging in some ways, but it's concerning in other ways where I think that essentially I think you're right in your assessment that, you know, to it is such a bold move to try to so blatantly, you know, like talking about theoretically, if they were to actually bring criminal charges against Donald Trump, like let's just say theoretically, Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, which he's the favorite to right now, and he wins the nomination.
[00:46:56]  And then they go, we're bringing criminal charges against him.
[00:46:59]  That is such a big move because it looks like to everyone on the Republican side and a whole bunch of people on the fence, like that's really the Justice Department putting their finger on the scale of an election.
[00:47:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:14]  And so, in order to do that, you'd have to have some really compelling narrative to sell to the American people on why this is really necessary to do, right?
[00:47:26]  And they don't have that.
[00:47:27]  They just don't.
[00:47:30]  The fact of the matter is that all the evidence of the January 6th committee that they put out seemed to indicate that Donald Trump really believed he won that election.
[00:47:42]  Maybe he didn't, but certainly no one had any evidence to demonstrate that he didn't.
[00:47:46]  He believed he won and he told people to go protest peacefully.
[00:47:50]  Now, you can argue that this was reckless and insane and narcissistic and selfish, but that's not what we're talking about here.
[00:47:59]  We're talking about was this criminal.
[00:48:01]  I think it's a very hard sell that that was criminal.
[00:48:04]  And so that's the situation.
[00:48:07]  This would, you're right.
[00:48:08]  This would very likely just backfire and help Trump.
[00:48:12]  And you got to assume these people, while they're stupid, are not that stupid that they wouldn't see that this could backfire and help Trump.
[00:48:18]  On the other hand, they, I think, are pretty goddamn desperate that Donald Trump just cannot be elected again.
[00:48:28]  Like this is just something that cannot happen from the establishment's point of view.
[00:48:31]  It's one thing that they got repudiated in 2016, but then the story has to be, and it was such a disaster that the American people rejected that and won't go back to it for them to then put him back in there.
[00:48:43]  And now Trump, who they were worried about before, because he's so goddamn reckless and will just say anything and they don't exactly know what he'll do.
[00:48:51]  Now he's really been burned by them and he gets back in there.
[00:48:55]  That seems like an unacceptable outcome for the powers that be.
[00:49:00]  And so what are they going to do?
[00:49:02]  What's their play?
[00:49:04]  I think it's got to be something.
[00:49:06]  And I don't know.
[00:49:07]  It'll be interesting to see what that is.
[00:49:09]  You know, like what it's a similar thing with like Vladimir Putin using nukes or something like that.
[00:49:17]  Like you know, he knows that this could be the death of everybody.
[00:49:22]  But if you're in a situation where, let's say, you know, you feel like you're about to be overthrown and killed, well, now you might be in a situation where you have to, you know, you feel like you have to use whatever play you have.
[00:49:37]  That's where things get a little bit dicey.
[00:49:39]  That's where they get a little bit scary.
[00:49:40]  And I don't know.
[00:49:41]  I don't know what they'll end up doing.
[00:49:43]  I know that if they really feel like now they don't control Twitter and Donald Trump is the nominee, they're going to throw everything they have at making sure he can't possibly win.
[00:49:58]  It does seem like they're at least laying the groundwork to have this option on the table for them.
[00:50:02]  As at least now they can say, hey, look, there was a congressional hearing.
[00:50:05]  They recommended criminal charges, you know?
[00:50:07]  So now we're bringing criminal charges.
[00:50:09]  And it does seem like the timing might line up to happen during the primary or something like that.
[00:50:15]  Something where they could go, hey, look, Republicans, I mean, don't you want to go with someone else who doesn't have this baggage type deal?
[00:50:21]  I don't know exactly how they'll play it, but I'm interested to see.
[00:50:25]  Seems like a losing card also, because let's say they even push forward with it.
[00:50:28]  And then you get like a DeSantis running against Biden, unless they really have the election so absolutely rigged.
[00:50:35]  So what happens if they lose the election?
[00:50:37]  Like, so let's say you get Trump fully prosecuted.
[00:50:40]  So then DeSantis probably pardons him.
[00:50:42]  And now you've opened up the door that administrations will prosecute previous administrations, which has thus far been unheard of.
[00:50:50]  And then, if you're a DeSantis, I guess you can go, all right, I don't want people looking at my dirty clot.
[00:50:54]  But, like, you're really opening up the doors for a full-scale dictatorship where a guy gets in and he realizes, oh, the only way I can stay here is by prosecuting all of my political opponents.
[00:51:04]  Right.
[00:51:05]  And then you like that, we'll be in a new game where if you're in office, you're going to have to aggressively prosecute any of your counterparties so that you can hopefully keep them in office and keep them from prosecuting you.
[00:51:18]  It's really opening up the door to like changing kind of the political science math of us being like a full-scale dictatorship.
[00:51:25]  Yeah, no, no, I see what you're saying.
[00:51:27]  It's this country, this country is going through changes.
[00:51:31]  Let's say that we'll see if that's one of them.
[00:51:35]  Yeah, a lot of this also depends on who DeSantis really is.
[00:51:38]  If he does end up being the guy, you know, maybe he gets in there and he's actually just kind of like sides with like the fucking deep state and the neocons and such and is not going to pardon Trump.
[00:51:49]  I think that's also a possibility.
[00:51:51]  You know, DeSantis being like the least worst on COVID and passing some bills that, you know, like don't teach, you know, third grade boys to be trannies or something is not quite enough for me to be convinced that like, no, this guy really is, you know what I mean?
[00:52:10]  Like really is against the establishment.
[00:52:12]  I'm just really not sure.
[00:52:13]  I don't really know who I don't have a great gauge on exactly who DeSantis is.
[00:52:18]  All right.
[00:52:19]  That's going to be our show for today.
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