Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein dissect Florida Governor Ron DeSantis's stunt of flying 50 Venezuelan immigrants to Martha's Vineyard, exposing elite hypocrisy regarding open borders versus housing availability. They critique the "La La Land" mentality of liberals who lack resources while wealthy figures like Barack Obama ignore the crisis, contrasting this with DeSantis's calculated political strategy against Trump's flamethrower style. Ultimately, the hosts argue that exposing such contradictions remains vital to influence decent people, preventing politics from devolving into mere power struggles and highlighting DeSantis as a savvy frontrunner for 2024. [Automatically generated summary]
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I put this off for the last episode that I did solo because I just really wanted to talk about this with you, Rob, because I thought we'd have a lot of fun with this topic.
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This is the thing that everyone's been talking about lately.
It was a political stunt.
Feel however you feel about it.
But man, of all the political stunts, I really thought this was one that was quite illuminating.
And of course, I'm referring to Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida.
He, I guess, I was going to say bust, but actually I believe he flew some immigrants from Florida up to Martha's Vineyard.
People don't know, Martha's Vineyard is a little island off of, where is it in Massachusetts there?
And right near Cape Cod.
And it's the home to.
Put it this way, Obama's the only black person there.
Some really yuppie shit.
I mean, it's not literally true that Obama's the only black person there, but it is so close to literally true.
Yeah, his kids, his kids and his butler, you know, like that's about it.
It is home to many of the elites and or summer home to many of the elites.
And so there's 50 immigrants were flown up there, and this created quite the firestorm.
There's been this interesting trend that's been building over the last year or so, where some of these Republican governors have been sending immigrants to blue areas to kind of be like, okay, you take them since you're arguing that everyone should take them in.
Well, the mistake is they came off season.
So these millionaires have already shut down their mansions.
They can't house them.
If they had just come summertime, I mean, they were there, the mansions were open, there were full wings.
But, you know, once these millionaires shut down their mansions for the season, they can't reopen the doors.
Everyone knows that.
Well, I think in a way the stunt works better in that because you've got all of these mansions that are completely unoccupied.
You know, like it's, it's this area with like they already have housekeepers.
They can't do additional ones.
Well, right.
So you have this area with like extravagant wealth with the most unoccupied homes of almost any area in America.
And yet still they go, we just can't handle these people, these 50 immigrants, whatever.
We can get into all of this later.
I had a Twitter thread about this that got a lot of attention that kind of went viral, but and we could talk about that in a second.
But let me say, and I'm disclaiming this before we start this conversation, but I'm not disclaiming this in an attempt to, you know, I'm not disclaiming this motivated by, oh, I don't want people who hate me to, you know, have ammo to hate me with or something like that.
I'm just disclaiming this because I want to tell the truth and be honest, because there were people who were saying to me, you know, it's really fucked up that DeSantis did this and he is using these poor immigrants as political pawns and he's spending a ton of taxpayer money to do this.
Certainly several million dollars were spent in this whole effort.
And I just want to say that, yeah, that's pretty much right.
It is.
I think all of that's not true.
Well, it is.
I mean, we can take it by point.
I literally think all of that's not true.
I give no credit to any of those claims.
Okay.
Well, let's talk about this for a second because I basically think that, I mean, I don't know exactly what was spent on this.
It did seem weird to me, some of the figures that were being thrown out there.
Even if it's spent, from what I understand, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal: low new immigrants to the, at least for first generation, they tend to be low-income earners and they tend to be a drain overall.
Now, I don't know that against million-dollar expense for 50 people.
That doesn't even sound accurate to me that they need to spend $7 million to transport 50 people.
That just doesn't sound accurate unless even each part of their own flight.
That just doesn't sound accurate.
Yeah, even if they all flew private, it doesn't seem like it should be that much money.
But on the lifetime expense of, I think, the typical resources that new immigrants drain from the system in terms of not being high earners, not paying high taxes, using the healthcare system, using the schooling system, the idea that paying to relocate people comes at a financial expense this date is probably inaccurate.
If they spent $7 million, maybe, but I think that's a real figure.
Yeah, it's, I, I, I, fair enough.
I'd like to see like data on that figure.
But I will say that I do think there it is true that certainly he was using these, you know, people as political pawns in a sense.
Okay, I agree with that.
And I also do think, and I've said this for a long time, that I think that even people who say like us, who are, do not support open borders in the current political paradigm.
And for people who are like even more right wing than us, are more rah-rah, build the wall, deport them all types.
I think that it's important that you do keep your humanity for these people.
Like these are real human beings and a lot of them have had awful, you know what I lives.
And it's just you never.
Well, let me just say in the same sense that is the analogy that I always use is I go, if, you know, there's this left-wing, like false dichotomy that they try to impose on the rest of us, where like the analogy I use is I go, if like five homeless people showed up at my door and they go, hey, can we please come in?
We want to sleep in your house tonight.
Now, my answer would be no, because my wife and my daughter and my son sleep here and I sleep here and it's not for you.
This is mine.
It's not yours.
I will not let you in.
But that doesn't mean that I hate them.
And that doesn't mean that I have no sympathy for how much harder their life is right now than mine is.
And I think that's something that even if you are like a supporter of completely closed borders, which I'm not, but even if that is what you support, you can still have humanity and sympathy for these people.
And the fact that these were Venezuelan immigrants who are literally fleeing from communism, or at least severe socialism, whatever you want to call it.
I have a lot of sympathy for them.
And I think it's horrible that they were in that position.
And I think that oftentimes the best immigrants are the ones who are fleeing from communism.
So I just almost as a disclaimer, but not a disclaimer to keep like the haters at bay, just a disclaimer so that everyone's aware of where I'm coming from.
I do agree that like, yeah, it's like, fuck, these immigrants have had a tough fucking life and this is awful.
But I also think there's something really interesting and really revealing about this whole stunt.
So anyway, Rob, go ahead.
All right.
I mean, listen, I agree with you that the situation is not great, but a lot of the conversation is describing La La Land and how we would all like to live in La La Land and how we all wish that there were infinite resources to provide for everyone.
That's not reality.
So if we're going to have a discussion in reality, firstly, even in the pawnmanship, these people most likely all benefited from the relocations.
They are more likely to be able to remain in the country and even in this move have already been provided more resources.
You can make the argument that DeSantis said, we know that we don't want you here.
There's another territory that's saying that they will provide for you and do want you.
So I will relocate you to the area that's saying that they would like for you to be there.
And that is the claim of a sanctuary city is that they will allow you to remain there.
And so DeSantis on paper has said, hey, listen, I don't want you here.
You are have a higher risk of being deported.
I will relocate you to the areas in which you're supposed to be.
And then the idea of like they're being used as pawns, like that doesn't discredit the fact that we're actually calling to the attention to the fact we have a sinking boat.
We don't live in La La Land.
There's a situation that needs to be addressed.
People are very adamant about the fact of, well, we just need to be nice to everyone.
They're ignoring the reality of it.
And so, yes, this is a bit of a stunt.
And yes, it's uncomfortable because it's actually exposing reality that we have to confront.
And so you can continue to pretend about the ethics, the morality.
The idea here is there actually is a problem.
There's more people coming into the country that we can handle.
It's the feds, as far as I understand, obligation to police the border.
I don't think states have a right to do it.
And so you can't have these democratic states saying, hey, this isn't an issue.
Have some morality.
Then fine.
You deal with the people.
Yes, that's right.
I remember mentioning this on the show before, but this was a while back.
And I was arguing with some other libertarian, because of course, as some people may know, there are libertarians out there who are like open borders libertarians.
And I once was.
I'm embarrassed to admit it.
This was once my position until I thought more about it and I was persuaded by better arguments, you know?
So that's not my position anymore.
But I was arguing with this open borders libertarian and he said to me something, something along the lines of, he goes, well, look, Dave, you know, if you believe in liberty, he goes, if I want to invite an immigrant onto my private property and, you know, take they can live there and I'll support them.
The government has no right to tell me I can't do that.
And my response was, absolutely, you're right.
How many have you taken onto your private property so far?
You know, because like, and a lot of people were like, well, you don't understand the difference between private property and public property or all this.
And it's like, no, no, no, you're missing the point here.
The point is that, yes, you do.
To me, if in my sense of what is right and wrong, that is true.
What he said.
You ought to have the right to invite whoever you want to onto your property.
But you do not have the right to invite them onto other people's property.
And what happens far too often in our society is that the people who have no interest in inviting anyone onto their property are saying to the other person, you know, you ought to invite them onto your property.
And so what's going on here is almost if the analogy, which is not a perfect analogy, but it's kind of close, is that if five homeless people show up in front of my house and ask if they can stay, and I'm like, no, I'm sorry.
My family's here.
You guys can't stay.
And then there's someone else in a, like, I have a little house.
And then there's someone else in a mansion who's going, Hey, that's horrible that you won't let those people stay in your house.
You're a racist bigot Nazi for not letting them stay in your house.
And then I go, Okay, well, how about I go into debt and spend money to send them over to your mansion?
And then as soon as they get to their mansion, they go, Oh, we just don't have the room.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's almost the stuff.
And so you get to pretend like they're the nice ones.
We would love to.
Like, as if you were being not nice when you made the decision, but when they make the decision, it's just a function of the resources.
It's, it's unbelievable the way they've, they've attempted to spin this.
So, okay, for anyone who doesn't know, right, just getting back to the situation, 50, 50 immigrants were sent to Martha's Vineyard, the resort summer home of the elite.
And they flipped out about this.
It's gotten more outrage and more media coverage than the, I mean, dude, 2 million immigrants have come in this year, I believe, or are projected to come in this year.
There's 50, 50.
We're talking about nothing.
How many illegal immigrants are in the country?
How many legal immigrants are in the country?
I think there's something in the ballpark.
No one exactly knows, but it's something like 30 to 50 million illegal immigrants in the country right now.
Legal immigrants, there's like a million every year that come into the country.
2020 was a little bit off because of COVID and all that shit.
That's more or less the numbers ballpark.
But 50, just 50 went to Martha's Vineyard.
And all of a sudden, it's all of the all of this outrage.
And that alone is just like, look, I know government telling anyone to do anything is not right.
Government spending any money is not right.
But in the greater scheme of the infringements on liberty that the governments, you know, commit and the money that government wastes, the infringement of like, you know, telling these immigrants, oh, hey, you got to get on this plane and go over to Martha's Vineyard, or we're going to spend the money for the plane to go to Martha's Vineyard or any of that is pretty low compared to other infringements of liberty and other expenses.
And my God, the example that this created was just incredible.
Like so revealing for so many people to see how it really works, how all of these people who advocate for these policies that never affect them, how they react when the policy actually affects them.
Hey, but they do a good job of showing up with food and pretending, hey, we're just here to help you while they kick you out.
Literally shuffle you onto a bus.
They're like that smiling bitch at a party.
That's what it is.
Like walking you out the door while going, oh, it's so nice that you're here.
Like I've seen it in movies where like they walk into the corners like right out of Animal House when like they smile and they give you the tour and walk into the corner to be with the other losers.
That's what they did in Martha's Vineyard.
They had one night with food and then they gave them hugs on a bus and you literally see this pretty lady turn around and in my head, she's going, thank God we got rid of them.
But with a big smile so that they can.
Well, did you see?
Did you see Tucker Carlson was highlighting this last night, but that even the pictures with food, like they, it was like fruit loops and corn pops that they gave to serve their kids.
Yes.
Yes.
They even gave these people, they were like, I don't know, just give them the garbage, whatever the cheapest garbage from.
What is our maid eating?
Just bring them some stuff from the maid's quarters.
So to be clear for anyone who wasn't paying attention, what they did was they took these photo ops, you know, and they were like, we welcome the immigrants and all of this and they welcomed them into their houses.
And then they, you know, they took photos with feeding them and all of this.
And then within about in about 24, I think it was 24 to 48 hours.
It was one to two days before the fucking National Guard was called in.
And they all escorted them the fuck out of there onto a military base.
And now they're relocating them.
So in other words, they got them out of Martha's Vineyard.
They were just like, yeah, we're not going to have you here.
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You got to move somewhere else and be someone else's problem.
And by the way, Venezuelans are gorgeous.
Can you imagine if there were like dirty Guatemalans shipped up there for the last few hours?
We might have nuked Martha's Vineyard if it was Guatemalans.
I mean, come on, Rob.
You can't, but it really was like, I don't know.
It was unbelievable.
It was unbelievable to see people trying to defend them.
Like, no, the people rallied around them and did the right thing.
It's like, yeah, it's easy to do the right thing for a day before you then get them the hell out of there.
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You know, I will tell you, and this is something that I don't exactly know what to make of this, but I see sometimes these opportunities that the establishment has to kind of own the right.
In the same way that the right is constantly owning the left, they have these opportunities and to do what they claim to be the right thing and to almost like stick it to them and shut them the fuck up.
Like, okay, so Barack Obama owns what is it, something like a $15 million home in Martha's Vineyard.
It's enormous.
It's, it's, you know, what you'd imagine, a 50, it might be a 12 or 13 million dollars, but something like that, something in the ballpark of that.
And it's just huge.
What an opportunity it would have been for him to just go, I'm housing 30 of the 50.
You know, like, I don't know, whatever he reasonably could have taken, let's say 20 or 25.
There were 50 of them, right?
He could have said, I'm personally taking half of them in.
Who else in Martha's Vineyard is going to join it?
And then he probably could have gotten enough other millionaires just for the publicity stunt.
You know what I mean?
Said, we're taking them in.
Yeah, because we really do believe that diversity is their strength.
Brian, you have a picture of Obama's house here.
Let's pull it up just so people could see.
This is how Barack Obama, the public servant, lives.
That's his home.
I'm just saying, how many people do you think he could fit in this home?
I'd imagine a decent amount, right?
So I'm just saying, he could, let's say he took in 10 and then said, I'm calling on all the other multi-millionaires in Martha's Vineyard.
Everyone who's got a mansion like this has to take in 10.
And they could have actually thrown this back into Santis's face and been like, look, no, we do believe diversity is our strength.
We do believe that immigration makes all of us stronger.
That's a better picture right there.
They'll really show you how big the whole fucking thing is, right?
So they could have done this.
And really, you know what I mean?
Like, you get my point?
They could have thrown this back into Santos and go, no, no, no, we're going to make your stunt.
Here's our stunt to like throw it right in your face.
We think this is wonderful, you know?
But they didn't because they don't want, you know, they're like, oh, no, no, no, these dirty people, they're not getting in my house.
It's, it just, it just goes to show you how full of shit these people are, how full of shit they are.
I agree with you.
I think that's such a funny aspect that they, they could just take the opportunity and help, but they don't want to be seen as helpful.
They don't want to set precedent, like, and by the way, if you're Obama, you could call up Chase Bank.
I was talking about this the morning, right?
You can just call up Chase Bank and go, Hey, listen, you guys want to buy my 14 million dollar house and do a good publicity stunt?
What's 14 million dollars to Chase Bank?
He can literally get that covered in two minutes.
Every single company is trying to be woke.
He could go, Me and my partners at Netflix and here and here have decided we can't help everybody, and we know that we need to reform the system, but we want to show that we can be compassionate.
And so, I'm giving my house to these 50 people.
We are going to bring in beds and cots, and my partners think about if you're Netflix, you're not going to write a 15 million dollar check for the feel-good story and the publicity of Obama.
Story would be insane.
Like, it would be, and it would also, by the way, like, I can't even explain to you how huge this would be, Rob.
It might win the Democrats the midterms.
Like, imagine Obama actually did that.
Actually, went, you know what?
Look, I understand that I understand the point Ron DeSantis is trying to make, and I understand that our immigration system is broken, and I understand that we have a lot of problems in this nation.
But what I'm going to do right now is I'm going to move my family out of this mega mansion that we probably never belonged in.
And we're going to go move to a house somewhere.
And I'm going to give these 50 people a great life, a better life than they ever had, because that's the American dream.
You know, like, I just imagine it rights itself.
It would have been incredible.
They don't even care.
He doesn't even care to try to do something like that because he's like, No, ew, gross.
I think that's just doomed.
Gross, these fucking dirty immigrants, they're not coming anywhere near my house and all my gorgeous stuff.
Why do you think I went through being president for eight years so I can live it up?
I'm trying to give it, you know what I mean?
It's like it's just this is what's unbelievable about this stuff.
And this is an area where libertarians, a lot of them, are a little bit goofy.
When no matter what the political stunt is or what the thing is, they'd go like, no, well, it's still wrong because it's government doing something.
Like, I know, I know, we agree with that.
Like, in theory, we think government doing anything is bad, but you got to at least recognize that this is government doing a little thing that is exposing how evil and hypocritical the most powerful people in government are.
That there's something about that that's goddamn like, yeah, that's kind of worth the cost, even though, by the way, I will recognize there's things about it that are ugly, I'll recognize that.
Thus far, uh, I mean, they're making you know, they like to say it's human trafficking and it's kidnapping, uh, which I would venture to guess that Ron DeSantis was smart enough that he probably said, Do you want a chance of a better situation?
Would you like to go to a sanctuary city?
I'm sure that they didn't need to lie to these people or tell them things that weren't true to get them interested in taking the flight to another location.
It's also like coming by, they would lie.
It's also just like, Come on, man.
I mean, look, someone who's made the journey from Venezuela to Florida is not like, Oh my God, we've been human trafficked by being put on a plane to Martha's Vineyard.
I just don't, I don't think that's if you want to start talking about human trafficking, why don't we talk about the actual human trafficking and all the encouragement that there is for people to be crossing the border and the industry of people that are bringing them over the border, the cases of kids being raped and the 50 people that died on a bus on the highway because it overheated.
It's like, right, right.
Don't suddenly pretend that the 50 people who just won the lottery and are now living on a military base and are going to be extended better resources than they would have had in Florida is the worst thing that ever happened to our immigration here.
And of course, you know, there'll be people who are making these responses.
Like you're like, I see this one, you know, fucking fairly popular, like left libertarian said to me on Twitter today.
They go, well, how about we do something that actually solves the problem?
Because this doesn't solve the problem.
And it's like, yes, of course, you're right.
This doesn't solve the problem.
But I'll be damned if it doesn't illuminate the problem.
You know what I mean?
Like, yes, obviously this doesn't solve the problem, but it damn sure exposes what a huge part of the problem is, right?
Boom, ring the bell.
Part of the problem.
A week ago, Kamala Harris was on the news saying there's no problem at the border.
A week ago, the Democrats were still saying, hey, there's no issue.
There's no crisis.
So at least now they're starting to acknowledge there's a problem.
Their new argument is this isn't the way to solve it.
Except you're kind of saying that this worked because now you're actually admitting there was a problem.
A week ago, there wasn't a problem.
A week ago, Kamala Harris is on the news saying there's no issue at the border.
Did you, all right, Brian, you have the video of the lady up in Martha's Vineyard?
This was a fucking great clip that's been going super fucking viral, but it's so funny what the only thing they can say to respond to this.
Let's play the clip.
So what are the most difficult challenges right now?
The difficult challenges are we have at some point in time, they have to move somewhere else, right?
We cannot, we don't have the services to take care of 50 immigrants.
And we certainly don't have housing.
We're in a housing crisis as we are on this island.
And so we don't, we can't house everyone here that lives here and works here.
We don't have housing for 50 more people.
So there you go.
They go, at a certain point, they're going to have to move from here to somewhere that's not here because we just can't take care of 50 immigrants.
And they have a housing crisis.
I mean, sure, there are nothing but mansions that are vacated, by the way, right now.
You're talking about one of the wealthiest areas in the world with vacated mansions.
That's what we're talking about here.
But there's no way we could possibly take care of 50 people.
Yet they will turn to these border states who are dealing with hundreds of thousands of people every year.
You know, like think about how insane this is to go, look, we can't even like house all the people we want.
And by the way, what the translation from that is that they do have a problem.
And the problem they have in Martha's Vineyard is that the people who work at the stores can't afford the fucking, you know, the average house is like $2 million in Martha's Vineyard.
So yeah, the people who work there can't afford to live there.
But there's fucking, you know, there's a whole bunch of fucking listings right now that are available in Martha's Vineyard.
There's open places and, yeah, they are more expensive than the people who want them can afford.
But imagine just saying that.
Look, we just don't have the resources here at Martha's Vineyard to take Texas 50 people.
But you are a racist bigot Nazi if you say that about, you know, a million people.
No, Texas, they have the resources.
They just want to be mean.
That's what it is.
That's what these liberals now think.
It's like all these border states, they have the resources.
They're just mean.
But when they come up here, it's just a resources issue.
Right, right, exactly.
And it was so great that they helped them out for a day before they fucking had the military ship them out.
How does that just unbelievable?
I mean, what do you even say about any of this?
It's just unbelievable the hypocrisy that's that's demonstrated.
Well, and now they get to hide behind, well, yeah, it's a problem, but the way that you've brought the problem to our attention is inappropriate.
And now pivot the conversation to whether or not the way it was brought up is appropriate.
It's very much like Hillary Clinton with the, hey, that's Russian interference.
Well, it might be Russian interference, but is the information true?
Because then that's the conversation to be had.
If right now, the conversation to be had is, is there an immigration problem and how are we going to solve it?
Whether or not we're fighting about the way it came to our attention, if it's appropriate, is not as big of an issue as whether or not there's a big disaster that we have to take care of.
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Did you see?
I actually know that you did see this, but Brian, you can just pull up the picture, the NBC tweet that they ended up deleting.
Oh, shit.
God damn, was this just too fucking perfect?
So I, you know, what we've heard for years about dog whistling and fucking racism.
And anytime anyone mentions that Twitter is not or that the border shouldn't be open, here we go.
This was an NBC News tweet.
Florida, and this is from an article that was run on NBC News.
They did delete this tweet because they realized this doesn't look too good.
Florida Governor DeSantis sending asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard is like, quote, me taking my trash out and just driving to different areas where I live and just throwing my trash there.
That's the way they respond as soon as it comes to Martha's Vineyard.
By the way, you know, people will give us shit for being like, you know, look, there's got to be some type of immigration control under our current system.
That's just the way things are.
And they'll say, oh, you, I've had tons of people tell me I fucking hate Mexicans or something like this for having this opinion.
But they'll refer to it as taking your trash and dumping it in other people's yards.
Like that's just, and just to think that NBC News tweeted this.
Now, they did, in their defense, delete it pretty shortly after when they realized, ah, that doesn't look so good.
But the fact that that was even ever tweeted and they didn't go, oh shit, we can't say that.
We can't say that after all the years of just like trashing everyone else, you know, like that.
So they tweeted it and then they got fucking just wrecked.
And then they were like, ah, shit, we got to delete this.
But look, man, my, my honest opinion on this stuff is that I actually do think, like, I really do like immigrants.
And I've, I've worked my early jobs, like the shittiest jobs I ever had when I was a little kid.
I was, there was always like Mexicans working there and all of them were illegal.
Um, and I've known a lot of uh, you know, I'm a Jew from New York City.
I've grown up around a lot of different fucking people.
And I do actually think, like, believe me, if there were just people I wanted to kick out of the country, I'd fucking, I'd keep a lot of these immigrants over a lot of, say, these just like, you know, white liberals at liberal arts colleges.
Like, I, that's the truth.
But it is completely reasonable to be like, hey, look, under these current circumstances, under the current situation that we live, there has to be some type of method of controlling who comes, you know?
Like if we lived in a completely libertarian society, like an anarcho-capitalist society, then okay, the property owners would get to decide who comes and who doesn't, right?
But right now, we don't have that.
So, okay, I guess it falls to the government to deciding this.
And it's not perfect.
It's not a great situation.
But it's amazing that as soon as it touches Martha's Vineyard with 50 people, not, it's not like Martha's Vineyard was flooded with.
They're talking there in that clip we just showed you.
Like 20,000 people showed up to Martha's Vineyard.
And they're like, look, we just have no, we don't know how to deal with this.
There's 50 people.
There are two houses in Martha's Vineyard that could have housed all of these people.
So I got to say, you know, this stunt really revealed something.
The bluff just got called.
Yeah.
So, okay, so I'll tell you my tweet that I had that, you know, I did, it did good, I guess.
I don't, I, I, you know, typically, you know, I get a lot of tweets that get some shit, but this one, it got, it's up to like 65,000 likes on the main one, but it was, it was a thread.
Here's what I said.
And I think this is almost worth discussing a little bit.
But I said, the Martha's Vineyard thing might be the best and clearest example of what so many of us have been talking about for years.
The progressive elites advocate for policies that they never have to suffer the consequences of.
And the one time they do, it ends quickly.
So just to that point, that it's just as soon as they might have to suffer from them within a day or a day and a half, it's over.
They're shipped out.
The military's called it.
No, no problem, right?
I said, and then I followed up by saying they are against building a wall, but they live in gated communities.
They are for gun control, but they have armed security.
They destroy public education, but they send their kids to elite private schools.
They support mask mandates, but only their servants wear them at their parties.
There are too many examples like this to list off.
And it's not just that they advocate for these policies, but that they demonize in the most vicious ways anyone who dare oppose them.
This is why the elites are so rightfully hated in our society.
So, you know, just like that's kind of to me at the heart of a lot of this shit.
And what were the examples that I listed off there?
I said that they advocate for open borders, but they live in gated communities.
They advocate for gun control, but they have armed security.
They advocated for the mask mandates, but they don't, you know, only their servants wear masks at their parties.
We could go on and on and on.
Corey DeAngelis, he tweeted at it, who's great, by the way.
You should go follow him.
He said, he goes, yeah, school choice for me, but not for the, you know, it's like that they have school choice.
I think another great example is that they fuck, they advocate for these wars that they don't go fight in and they don't go send their kids to go fight in any of them.
I think that like you could go down the list.
There's like so many examples of policies like this.
You know, they advocate for tax increases while they don't pay any tax.
They have like, this is just down the line.
And everyone kind of sees this.
That it's like, it's very easy to jump up on your moral high horse and tell everyone else that, you know, they need to suffer under this policy when you don't do it.
Oh, Jake Shields, the MMA fighter, who's also just a fucking great commentator on Twitter.
He's got a great Twitter account.
Go follow Jake Shields, the former strike force champion who fought George St. Pierre, went the distance with him and fought a really close fight with him.
He was a great MMA fighter.
And he said something, I forget exactly what he said, but it was something like, yeah, they advocate that you don't use your, you know, you don't drive, or they advocate that you drive an electric car while they fly public, while they fly private.
You know, it's like all these policies over and over again, right?
You got to eat bugs while I fly private to my fucking climate change conference in Europe.
It's just, it was such a beautiful, this Martha's Vineyard thing was such a beautiful example of just the overwhelming hypocrisy of the elites.
And I think there's something important about that.
And go ahead.
And there's something wild, though, that like, generally speaking, people buy into just being lied to.
Like, there's still people out there that think Trump's looking out for them.
And there's still people out there that think that all these liberals are on the side of morality.
And that like people like us are just like, we're just flat out evil.
The fact that we talk the way that we do, it lack compassions.
It's just, they're so married to, I just call it living in the matrix.
They're just so married to la la land that they just want to, they like, they, they're like desperate.
Like, please tell me everything's fine and that we're compassionate.
And then some politician will do it and go, yeah, it's not an issue.
The border's fine.
Like Eric Adams, even I saw him on the news the other day and he's like, no, we just need to be nice towards these people.
They're looking for the American dream.
Like there's so many of these liberals who are still just saying we need to have compassion for these individuals who are coming across the border just looking to have the American dream.
And then you got people just, and then time after time, we'd love to help them.
We just don't have the resources.
Yes, that's exactly the issue.
That's what people in Texas are.
It's unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
We can just say that.
We'd love to help them, but we just don't have the resources.
Like, exactly.
Exactly.
As if other people were, it's such a funny play to suggest that other people were just not wanting to help them because they didn't want to help them.
It's like if I got up there and I go, unlike, you know, I'm running for office because unlike these other candidates, I think it's wrong to put pens into kids' assholes.
And so I'm going to be the one person who stands up and like, as if there's a real suggestion that everyone else was saying, let's put pens into kids' assholes.
Like, right.
That's essentially what they're doing when they say this.
Like, we would love to help them.
We just don't have the resources.
Yeah, because everyone else just wanted to throw them off a bridge.
And imagine Martha's Vineyard saying they don't have the resources.
It's so bonkers.
The richest fucking summer resort town with, I think, 60 or 70% of their population not there.
You can fit 25 feeding camps on Obama's property alone.
Not to mention.
Empty mansions.
We don't have the resources.
Obama's been stocking up on oil because I think that's his, you know, he wants to make sure he doesn't run out of energy.
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He's literally stockpiled like, I think a tanker's worth of oil at his Martha's Vineyard property.
By the way, the other thing that happened is they started to go fund me to help these people.
No, to help the fucking immigrants.
And they raised like a, you know, a few thousand dollars.
I don't know exactly what, but it was like, oh, you can't even get like Obama or again, I shouldn't just be saying Obama, but all of these fucking rich people on Martha's Vineyard.
There's got to be like fucking a trillion dollars worth of millionaires and billionaires who fucking vacation there.
And they, you couldn't just get them to step up again, just for the publicity stunt, just to counter this.
And that, in a way, reveals something too that we've been talking about for a long time on the show that they're not even interested in winning this battle.
They're just like, nah, get it away from here.
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Hypocrite Political Tactics00:13:32
Now, I will say something else that I've seen from more like our corner of the internet and maybe even a little bit more right wing than where we are, where there's been this kind of response.
And this is something that bothers me.
I think there's a type of nihilism that has gripped the right wing.
And even some libertarians, some kind of right-wing libertarians have fallen into this, where they'll say, you know, they'll, and this is a criticism they have of me and you, that they'll be like, look, you guys point out this fucking, this hypocrisy amongst the elites all the time.
And you, this is your whole show is saying, hey, look at CNN, look at Biden, look at Trump, look at all these guys, and look how like, you know, look at the hypocrisy, look at how they contradict themselves.
And you keep pointing that out.
But here's the thing you're not realizing.
They don't care.
They don't care that they're hypocrites.
That's right.
And in some ways, they'll go, they're not hypocrites.
They just rule you.
You know, like it's, it's not hypocrisy.
It's just they're better than you and they rule you.
And that's the message they're trying to send you.
And that, you know, there is a reasonable argument to be made to that, which I've actually made many times on the show before, is that there are these things like, okay, if I were to ever say to you, let's say me and you, Rob, were arguing, and this is the type of person that me and you are, the way our brains work and the way our, you know, ethics work,
is that let's say you had a view, like something you really believed in, and I, me and you were arguing, and I pointed out to you that you're a complete hypocrite on one of your like really deeply held views that you have.
I go, dude, you've completely contradicted yourself here.
And I've got you caught.
Like the last thing you said and the next thing you said are completely contradict each other.
And they were both views that you really held like really meant a lot to you.
That would fucking bother you.
Like if I pointed that out to you, you'd go, oh shit, I got an issue here.
Like if someone really pointed out to me that like the views that really I kind of like like foundational views that I that I have were in conflict with each other, it would like keep me up at night.
Like I'd be like rolling around in my bed and my wife would be like, what are you doing?
And I'd be like, I got this thing on my mind.
I was like, fuck shit.
I might be a hypocrite.
And yet at the same time, there are plenty of like, let's say, like left-wing social justice warriors who you could argue with and point out that they're hypocrites on, and it just rolls off their shoulders.
They don't even care, you know?
And so the argument kind of goes something like, well, you're pointing out the hypocrisy and all these, all of these other people, but they don't care.
They don't care that they're hypocrites.
They know that.
And they're just going to continue acting like that.
That part is true.
But that doesn't mean that it's not important to point that out.
Because here's the whole fucking game is that, yes, there are people who aren't going to be moved or influenced by consistency or logic or reason or any of this stuff.
But there are a whole lot of people who will be.
That's how we've built up our show.
That's how lots of other people have built up their followings.
And so the whole game is that there are still a lot of people who care about the truth.
And we're trying to wake those people up.
And that's why stunts like this are important because there's still enough people out there who do care about not being fucking hypocrites.
And you want to talk to those people.
So it's not like a lot of times I'll call out the hypocrisy of the elites and I'll get people on like Twitter and shit like that who are like, why are you even bothering?
They don't care that they're hypocrites.
It's like, no, I know they don't care.
I'm not saying this because I think that fucking Barack Obama is going to go, wow, he makes a solid point.
I never thought about things like that before.
Like obviously, right?
But I am saying it so that someone, the decent person who's kind of floating and is insured and goes, well, I kind of liked Obama.
They will look at you and go, ah, shit.
That's a really good point.
That's a really good point.
He doesn't care about being a hypocrite.
That's all we can fucking hope for.
And if you can't, if you don't have that, then I don't know.
What the hell are we doing here?
Right.
If you don't have that, if you don't have any hope that some decent person won't care about the hypocrisy, then all you're left with is power.
You're a postmodernist now.
All you're left with is power.
And you go, can we have more power than Barack Obama?
And the answer to that is no.
You can't.
So what you can hope for is that you can expose the bullshit.
And so this nihilism is poisonous.
Like people got to let go of that.
Believe no matter how far down you are, you could be 30 points down in the fourth quarter.
I've seen comebacks of 30 points in the fourth quarter.
I'm not saying it's likely, but you've, it's happened before and it can happen.
And you can never, the worst thing any basketball team in the fourth quarter could think when they're down 30 is like, well, it's hopeless now.
That's it.
We can't possibly win.
Like dust that shit off.
That's bullshit.
Go try to fucking win.
So anyway, I wanted to address that too.
I think specifically with government, they rule by pretending like they're helping us.
So to the extent that you expose that, like, yeah, they're hypocrites.
They don't care that they're hypocrites, but if enough people figure them out on particular topics, then they're forced to change because they want to rule.
Like they don't rule by force.
I mean, there is force implied force and they'll force the extent that they can, but they can't blow the illusion that they're trying to help you and that they're trying to represent you.
I think the best example is that you might actually see senators lose the ability to trade in the market because people pointed out Nancy Pelosi's profits.
And if that gets enough publicity, which it's gotten like a little publicity, but once it gets real publicity, that she's like, I think traded better than Warren Buffett, she's like the greatest stock picker like in the history of the world.
Like if that gets enough press, if there's enough chatter about that, that ultimately legacy media has to talk about it, there will be a change there.
And does, does, is Nancy Pelosi going to turn around, return the money?
Or no.
Do these people care that she did something wrong?
Of course not.
But if they get exposed on something, they have no choice but to change.
Yes, we can at least generate enough anger toward the establishment, you know, which has already been happening for much more than we've been generating it, and then try to channel that into something positive.
And that's got to be the goal of all of this.
All right.
So in closing here, I think one of the political takeaways of all of this that is very interesting to me is that this moment was created by Ron DeSantis.
This kind of says something to me.
Now, I know that there will be libertarians because I know libertarians.
I know there will be libertarians who listen to this show and go, but Ron DeSantis isn't perfect.
And that is very true.
He is not perfect.
And he's bad on a whole host of issues.
So, again, if I have to disclaim that, let me disclaim that.
But there's just something really interesting to me that he created this moment.
And right now, you have, it looks like Trump and DeSantis are the two frontrunners for the Republican nomination for president in 2024.
And I've heard other people, other people's names floated out there, and it's just been like a joke.
They're floating out like Mike Pompeo.
Okay.
That's not going to happen.
I like Hawley, though.
I could see that.
Rand.
No, no, I don't think Rand Paul's got a chance.
I think if Josh Hawley tried to.
Oh, Hawley.
Okay, Hawley.
I'm sorry.
I thought you said Paulie.
I was like, are you just like, I would love to see Rand Paul?
I think Rand Paul's got a chance of being someone's VP or like.
No, I like that too.
I just, I just think it's funny that you said Hawley and I thought you said Paulie.
I was like, are you fucking Rand Paul?
Is that what you call him now?
I wish I was with him like I think my Paulie could maybe do it.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay, fair enough.
But the frontrunners clearly are, you know, Trump and DeSantis.
But yeah, yeah, you're right.
Hawley's in the conversation and who knows what happens.
But there's just something about DeSantis that it's an interesting thing that he's able to do.
And I think that I remember when Ron DeSantis first rose up as the guy, you know, now I know you could say he actually did institute lockdowns and mandates and stuff like that.
And then he rolled them back pretty quickly afterward.
But he wasn't as perfect as, say, Christy Noam in South Dakota, right?
Like who never had mandates or lockdowns, right?
He wasn't that.
He had old people like, like that's easier in South Dakota.
You don't have people living on top of each other.
You don't have old people.
That is, that is true.
But regardless of, you know, look, he's still wrong for ever instituting them, but he's right for rolling them back.
But I remember around whenever it was, it was probably in the summer of 2020 when I heard him talking about why they're not doing the mandates, why they're opening the schools, all of this stuff.
And there was something about it that stuck with me.
And the thing that really stuck with me that I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Like, it just made me think he's an interesting political figure is that he knew what the fuck he was talking about.
You know, he wasn't just like a bloviating fucking guy who was like, oh, I'm spouting out these talking points.
He was talking about studies.
He was talking about what had been already determined about what COVID does and doesn't do, and all that.
Like, you could just tell he knew a thing or two.
He had maybe like read five articles about this and really actually learned the lesson from them.
Like, there's you just don't, I know this is a low bar, but you don't see that that much with politicians.
And I, and, and with the whole what they called the don't say gay bill, where he was like, Hey, you can't teach gender ideology to six-year-olds.
Like, he didn't say you can't teach it at all, he just said to six-year-olds, and then he kind of, in a weird way, it was a moment of political genius.
He lured the Democrats onto his battlefield where they had to say, No, you have to teach it to six-year-olds.
And I remember thinking, That's that's savvy.
That's a different type of savvy than I've seen for any from any of these guys fighting the regime.
That he knew how to, like, he was smart enough to lure them onto his battlefield.
And then, to see him create this moment, I'm just saying, I'm not saying I support the guy for president, I don't.
In fact, I don't think he'd be a good president.
I do think he should stay governor of Florida.
Um, but there's something really interesting about the fact that he created this moment.
He's he's got a political savvy about him that is far more sophisticated than what Donald Trump has.
You know, like Donald Trump's like a shit talking flamethrower, but Ron DeSantis actually sits back and reads a little something and knows what he's doing and plans this stuff.
And that's that's one of my big takeaways of all of this.
That I think there's just something a little bit more interesting about this guy.
That's that's that's my final analysis of this situation.
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Anything uh, you got to add to that, Rob?
Um, I don't know.
This one's hilarious, so I'm enjoying it.
Well, that's good.
That's really that's really all we can ask for at this point is that we give Rob a little bit of entertainment.
All right, all right, that's our show for uh tonight.
Rob, one more time, give your plugs for everyone to hear.
Yes, uh, go listen to Run Your Mouth.
We're uh going three or four times a week covering a lot of these topics, and then, of course, uh, end of the month, actually, October 1st with Justin Silver in Perraville, Maryland.
It's going to be a fun show coming out.
Hell yeah, and of course, the 25th of this here month of September, I will be at The Creek in the Cave in Austin, Texas.
First show is sold out, but the second show still has a few tickets left.