Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect Alex Jones's critique of libertarianism, arguing that while Jones exaggerates threats like the 2035 combustion engine ban, his warnings about corporate tyranny and the Great Reset remain valid. They expose the hypocrisy of conservatives supporting the Patriot Act and DHS while attacking libertarians who correctly identified George W. Bush-era dangers. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that abandoning libertarian principles for populist compromises with the Republican Party is a fatal error, as true freedom requires limiting government power rather than empowering it through either political extreme. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why Libertarianism Fails00:11:58
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So for today's episode, I just saw this a few minutes ago.
I had some other stuff planned, but you know what?
Saw this and I was like, this, everything else got bumped because evidently Alex Jones went on Stephen Crowder's show.
Alex Jones and Stephen Crowder, of course, are Steven Crowder, I think, is like one of the biggest like YouTube political guys.
And Alex Jones was until he got kicked off everything and then lost a big lawsuit or whatever.
But yeah, evidently they talked a bit about libertarianism and the Libertarian Party.
I was, of course, whenever anyone comes at libertarians like this, my social media is fucking blowing up with everybody telling me, ah, you got to say something.
So anyway, what we're going to do, I listened to a couple minutes of it.
So let's use it.
He's a deep state.
He's just pretending he's actually the CIA.
He's the reason why there's more trans people out there.
And he's right.
Anyway, I just wanted to respond by saying he is in fact right.
That's been this, this, that's what this opportunity is.
He's inside the towers and he took him down himself.
All right.
Well, let's jump into this and fucking let's let's break it down and have some fun.
All right.
So here is Alex Jones on Louder with Crowder.
A code for guns and gun accessories.
And then they go on to admit when you read deeper, we're going to do this for everything now.
For oil, for gas, for small gas-powered engines, for cars.
California's saying by 2035, you know, ban the combustion engine or maybe earlier.
It was 2035, right?
And so, oh, oh, but by the way, you can't charge your car right now.
There's not enough electricity.
So that's where this is all going is artificial scarcity is feudalism where they can dictate total control over us.
And that's what the great reset is, is an artificial collapse of civilization to force us onto a Cloud and Pivot model.
And so that's why I'm so incredibly concerned that the social credit score isn't coming.
The social credit score is here.
And with it, if you think the left censoring you on YouTube or Twitter or Facebook's bad, if you think the left debanking you or Airbnb kicking you out is bad, once they have these codes listed everywhere, they're going to add those codes up in a score.
How much red meat do you eat?
How much alcohol do you drink?
How do you vote?
And they admit that will then decide where you can go, what you can do.
So it's not coming.
It's here.
Yeah.
And I had to deal with that, you know, with PayPal with Shopify, with our platform a long time ago, and Airbnb, but that one was kind of on me.
That was my fault.
We went down to Chaz and we rented out.
Remember Raz Simone, the guy, the warlord in Chaz, who was going to have the rifles?
We rented out his, he had an apartment that he Airbnb'd.
We did a whole stream where we rented his apartment and declared it new chaz.
Ray painted new chaz on the wall.
And he actually did some humor about it, but Airbnb.
Great bet.
Great bet, by the way.
Steve, do you ever see that, Rob?
As I started this over, but it is a good bit.
But yeah, he found the guy who was like the king of chaz and he had an Airbnb and he went and rented it and then just declared it new chaz and like took over.
Fucking hilarious.
God damn it.
Respect to Steve.
Also, the first part of what Alex Jones, I mean, thus far, man's on point.
I don't even listen to the show and this is shit I've been preaching.
Well, this is the thing is like this is this is really very closely tied to a lot of the shit we've been talking about.
I mean, is like when he talks about, you know, I mean, it's not that they said they're, you know, Alex Jones always kind of exaggerates and predicts with certainty things a little bit, you know, overstates his case a little because it's not like they're saying they're going to ban the combustible, the combustible engine.
But yes, the point that he's making that like no new cars will be able to be sold that that are, you know, like the run on fossil fuels or whatever.
And the idea that they're pushing this so aggressively and that there's kind of like this effort to push something where then it's going to overload the power grids and that there's all of this kind of control like cracking down on your banking apps and your social media apps and all of this shit.
Yeah, I mean, this is stuff we talk about all the time.
Is this going to lead to exactly what Alex Jones said?
Well, I mean, I think there's certainly reason to be concerned about that.
You know, I'm just saying like I've, I've heard Alex Jones, you know, in the past tell us where everything's going to lead to like one world government and then they're going to like depopulate the planet and stuff.
And so, you know, I take his predictions with a grain of salt, but there's a real concern to what he's laying out.
And so far, yeah, we're basically right there.
This is very, very similar.
Go ahead.
The codes are this week.
I mean, that's some brand spanking new news.
Best piece on that is Thomas Massey wrote something in Newsweek.
But some of it, I think he's right, by the way.
I do think that they are looking to track what we consume and that there might be, if they can get it passed, yes, like a locking of your bank account or a limiting of your consumption.
He's overtelling it a little bit because I think there's like credit card codes for like most purchases.
I don't know what they use them for, but the pushing, which is the newest one for the gun purchases, does seem to be nefarious because they won't explain how in any capacity that might prevent future crimes or like it seems like a backdoor way to register who's buying guns and how many.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Agreed.
So agree with all that.
Definitely something to be very concerned about for sure.
So so far we're on, we're right there with Alex Jones.
All right, let's keep going.
I've already painted new chaz on the wall.
And he actually had a good sense of humor about it, but Airbnb absolutely did not.
This is also why I talked about this earlier this week.
You were sort of self-identified as a libertarian for a long time.
And I always said, I'm kind of small L libertarian.
I don't do that anymore.
And the reason is because you still have libertarians saying, well, the First Amendment only protects you from the government, not from corporations.
But when you look at the, and I'm not talking about a conspiracy, just when you look at the three point whatever billion that Amex has gotten, let alone when you look at these banks, let alone when you look at the section 230 protections for big tech, this is no long, there's no longer a dividing line between corporations, a free market, which I support.
These are effectively thug arms of the government and libertarianism cannot stand up in the face of that.
I 100% agree with you.
All right, so let's pause it there.
Okay.
So here's where they start getting into it.
So now they say, this is what I find kind of interesting about this, right?
Is that Crowder says, you know, I used to consider myself a little L libertarian.
By the way, if people say little L libertarian, just meaning that they're not in the libertarian party, but they're a libertarian, which is, you know, I was for a long time.
And so and some of my best friends and favorite people are and stuff.
So whatever about that.
But so first he goes, well, I used to consider myself a libertarian, but the problem is that, you know, I've heard libertarians say something like, well, if it's the First Amendment only protects you from the government or something like that.
And then he goes on to point out, but look, the government is completely in bed with these corporations and the government's giving money to all of them and the government's doing X, Y, and Z.
And what he's like kind of ironically doing here is making the libertarian argument for why it doesn't make sense to view things that way.
And in that sense, he's correct.
He's like, yes.
Well, it's like, okay, yes, these, this is not just like some private company doing this.
Obviously, all the stuff that Alex Jones just talked about, where he said they're going to ban, you know, the combustible engine.
Well, who is going to ban it?
Oh, yeah, the government of California, right?
Like, who's like, so, and, and Crowder's making the point that how these are not just like just private actors.
These are, they basically are acting with the power of the government.
But then he says, just kind of asserts, there's no argument attached to it, that libertarianism cannot stand up to this.
But that to me is like ridiculous.
Like the idea like he just made the libertarian argument for why libertarians should oppose all of this stuff.
Now, forget, it's almost like you have to kind of separate in a way like the philosophy and the strategy.
Like, what is what's the kind of like philosophically correct answer?
And then, if you accept that, you go, okay, well, how do we move toward that now?
How do we like, what strategy do we put in place to try to figure that out?
But the idea of libertarianism, like libertarianism doesn't stand up to anything.
And no, no, neither does conservatism or populism or progressivism.
Like there's no ism that stands up to anything.
Ideas don't stand up to things.
People have to stand up to things.
People have to put strategies into place to go stand up to something.
But if you're just talking about libertarianism can't answer the problem that government is in bed with these private companies and is like kind of outsourcing tyranny to them, it's like, well, yeah, of course it can in theory.
Like, yeah, the answer is stop doing that is repeal all of these policies, abolish all of these policies for the government to be in bed with all of these private actors.
And the truth is that the government, the reason why the government has to intervene to get these companies to do all of these things is because they wouldn't under pure market conditions.
So that's so to me, it's just like, this is something I see very like kind of, I see this as like a lot of right wingers kind of like take this attitude, but it's almost like step one, point out that it's not just the government, it's the government and private companies working together.
Step two, assert that libertarianism can't handle this.
Step three, move on and just ignore, you know, all the other shit that's like right in there with like, just like with so many of these other things, like we were talking about the other day with the domestic war on terrorism.
You know, it's like, and by the way, to their credit, I've seen some right wingers, some conservatives who have acknowledged this, but it's like, you know, 20 years ago, the libertarians were the ones warning you guys about the Patriot Act and the war on terrorism and all of this stuff.
And now that it's all blown up in your faces, you're like, oh, shit, you know, we got to be against this stuff.
But yeah, libertarians, any good libertarians would have been fighting over the last 20, 30 years, all of this stuff being built up to begin with.
Like we're the ones who wanted to completely, you know, if you talk about like the financial companies shutting people down, well, yeah, it's a whole government monopoly system.
So that's like what we've been against this whole time.
Maybe you guys should have paid more attention to the Federal Reserve over the last 20 years.
You know what I mean?
Maybe that would have helped.
Alex Jones, on the other hand, I think kind of did pay attention to the Federal Reserve.
So I don't know where he's getting off to reject libertarianism because we're living under fascism.
So it almost sounds like your argument is we got to limit the scope and power of government.
And maybe the argument he's making, but I'd give him the opportunity to clarify this is like, we need a strong Republicans to take over the government and then do a better job of instead of living in government, but using the power to fight off the left, but then you're still empowering government.
Institutions Move Progressive00:03:23
Well, right.
And you both need to take control of it with some sort of super majority and then retain it and not have the left come back and try and push you back.
But is this like more of a fantasy?
Yes, exactly.
And then like, it's like, is this even, and this is like a thing that people have to recognize that like these institutions are like progressive by their very nature.
And almost all of the institutions that like all of the progressive institutions, like from the original progressive era, really started off as quite socially conservative, at least by today's standards.
Like if you look at what was being taught in public schools in 1950, you know what I mean?
It wasn't like hippie shit.
It was like socially conservative shit.
And if you look at like, say, the FBI or something like that, they were all very like old school and conservative, but it all, you know, deteriorated to where it is now.
And that's because these institutions are by their very nature, like they're going to move more and more in a progressive direction.
But again, I'm just saying, it's like, would Stephen Crowder or Alex Jones say, okay, so if there's this ability for, say, the government to instruct, you know, American Express or whatever or these, you know, companies to shut down bank accounts of dissident thinkers?
Are you saying you want that power to use that against other people to shut down their bank accounts?
Like, is that the argument that you're using here?
Because, okay, if that is the argument you're using here, it's like, yeah, believe me, whether you control that or they control that, that's going to be pretty damn corrupting pretty quickly.
That's not the society you want to live in.
You want to live in the society where that just doesn't exist.
Like you want that abolished.
You don't want that controlled by your team rather than the other team.
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Anyway, all right, let's keep playing because they get into it quite a bit more.
100% agree with you.
The Two-Party Trap00:12:45
In fact, I'm no longer even a little L libertarian.
I'm anti-libertarian.
And I'll explain why.
30 years ago, when I was first starting to get on air 25 years ago, Republicans were pretty bad news, wanted to censor everybody, had a lot of problems.
The left hadn't turned into this pro-pedophile, Satan worship cancer it is completely yet.
So I didn't like them.
You just hit the trifecta.
Go on.
So I thought, well, libertarians want to leave people on socially, but they want a smaller government.
They must be good.
But it was big think tanks and big money funding libertarians.
So conservatives would always think of corporations as perfect and as government is bad instead of it being a balance.
And so now the globalists admit they were building governments basically run by corporations or corporations so big they operate like governments, but way more efficient and way more authoritarian.
And so absolutely to see libertarians defend the censorship and defend the open borders and defend all this.
Well, yeah, if Mexico was on par with us and we had a functioning civilization, then you can have an agreement, open the borders up.
You can't let's totally collapse.
That'll collapse us.
And so, yeah, the libertarians are now just used to siphon off Republican votes and keep Democrats in power.
And I also learned over the years that most of your high-level libertarians are actually Democrats.
And we now, they call them sleepers, sleeper cells.
Democrats have been caught on tape by Project Faritas and others running as Republicans, also running as libertarians to siphon off votes.
And so it'd be nice to have another party, but then we'd just be in a parliamentary system where Justin Trudeau gets 30% of the vote.
So let's just pause it.
So I'll pause it here because Alex Jones just said so much.
Yeah, like, I mean, he just said so much shit there and like so little of it makes any goddamn sense at all.
So he's saying, I'm not just, I'm not just not a libertarian anymore.
I'm anti-libertarian.
And it's because what, like he realized that libertarians out there were saying things like, it's fine if corporations do censorship and open the borders.
And it's like, I don't know, dude, the thing about this is like Alex Jones, you used to have fucking Ron Paul and Lou Rockwell and all these guys on your show and stuff.
So maybe you just should have listened to him a little bit better.
Cause like, that's not what any of the serious libertarians are saying.
Like, and I'm not saying there's no libertarians out there who are saying that, but that's just like, yes, there are some libertarians who have said things like that that give us all a bad name.
But this game, I just think is so unfair where it's like, oh, okay.
So is the standard going to be if I'm taking on libertarianism?
Like, let's say if I were to take on conservatism, should I take on, is it fair for me to say, let me find the dumbest thing that someone who claims to be a conservative has said and then use that as my, you know, way to debunk conservatism or, you know, like progressivism or whatever.
And it's like, yeah, that's really probably, I don't know, an unfair way to do it.
Whereas like to actually take on the arguments, it's like, yes, no, open borders would be a fucking disaster, but it's also because of so many government programs.
That's why it would be such a disaster today.
And again, like, as we've covered forever, the whole fucking, you know, Alex Jones himself is a guy who got huge off of the internet.
You know, like that was like how he fucking blew up.
And the truth is that the rise of the internet and social media was completely like leveling the playing field in this world.
And to a large degree, still has and still has split up the monopoly that the corporate press had on information.
And then what happened is that then the government intervened to bring about this fucking censorship regime.
And we've gone over this a lot of different times on the show, but it's not.
They hauled the heads of all these big tech companies in front of Congress and explicitly threatened them if they didn't kick all the fake news out that Jen Sackey confirmed that they give lists of people who they want kicked off of this.
We know from the evidence Alex Berenson released about them grilling Twitter about kicking him off.
We know that Mark Zuckerberg said when Rogan asked him about the Hunter Biden story that, well, it's really what the FBI said to me and all of this other stuff.
So, it's like, yeah, no, it's not.
I'm not saying the censorship is okay.
I'm saying it's god-awful.
I'm also saying it's the government's fault.
And in terms of all this stuff, where this argument is just really rudimentary shit, man.
But, like, the argument that it's like, well, you know, libertarians basically said that corporations are good and the government is bad.
And, but now you have these big, powerful corporations, and the corporations run the government, and the corporations can be even more authoritarian than the government and all this.
It's like, well, if you listen to any of the smart libertarians who were on your show for years, what were they always saying?
They were always saying that, no, the whole point is that big business loves big government and that big government works for big business.
Yes, that's the whole point.
No libertarian is ever going, like, oh, well, you know what?
Um, fucking Lockheed Martin is a private company, so I don't care what they do.
You know, like it's like, no, that's the whole point.
That, yeah, they're they're making hundreds of billions of dollars.
And of course, then they're lobbying and then they're creating all these think tanks that go and lobby for the wars to continue.
And like, yeah, of course, it's this whole like fucked up system.
But if you have companies, like you basically, this is basically the libertarian thing, right?
Is that you get to a certain point where you realize, okay, capitalists own our government, right?
And they've bought off the government to fucking like to do their bidding.
And that's what you have all over our economy, right?
The it's basically all this kind of cardinalized regulatory capture, right?
Where the government is basically bought off by special interests and they're they extract wealth from the domestic population to give to these interests, right?
Um, but you come to a uh basically a point where you're like, okay, so what's the answer to this, right?
So you can't not have capitalism because you need prices.
And if you don't have markets and prices, everybody starves to death, right?
So you have to have some form of capitalism.
So the answer is to limit the power of government so that there's not much there for the capitalists to buy off.
So there's not an entire, you know, if there's not giant regulatory agencies, then there's no regulatory capture, essentially.
Or if there, or if it is, it's minimal.
And then some people realizing that those capitalists will always be working to grow the state.
And that's basically how we got to where we are that go the full AMCAP, you know, direction and just go, you have to just completely remove this cancer.
You can't have any of it or it's going to metastasize.
But so it's just like so weird for like all these guys, you know, if you sit here and this is what's frustrating for me, right?
And like Alex Jones was good on a lot of this shit.
Like he was actually, you know, good on these issues, but a lot of more like the Steven Crowder types would have been like pro-George W. Bush, pro-war on terror, you know, never really cared about talking about the Federal Reserve.
They would have supported the Patriot Act.
They would have supported the wars, all of this stuff.
And libertarians say all this shit and they're just completely right about all of it.
And even now, they'd have to admit.
I mean, I've had so many of them, you know, just like on my show, on Twitter, who I've gotten to admit, you know, I had Glenn Beck told me, yeah, Ron Paul was right about all that stuff.
I never should have supported the Patriot Act or the war in Iraq.
Michelle Malkin, who is these people were like huge figures in conservatism Inc. during the George W. Bush years.
They all admit now.
They go, yeah, you guys were right about that.
It's like, okay, fine, whatever.
I'm not trying to like fucking rake you over the coals.
Glad you guys recognize that now.
But then when it comes up and they're like, oh, now we can just completely dismiss libertarians, even though they were right about all of that shit.
Now we can just completely dismiss libertarians.
You know why?
Because I bet they never thought of this before.
There's big business too.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Anyway, let's keep on.
So I think of all the systems out there, our republic form with two parties is the best.
What needs to happen is when one party becomes satanic and psychotic.
Hold on, let's pause the tour because there's another, because then he kind of like, they make like this kind of weird transition there, which I probably should have covered, where they go into, it's kind of like there's three things going on there that all kind of get conflated together.
So there's like, there's like criticizing libertarianism.
There's criticizing libertarians.
And then there's criticizing the libertarian party, which are kind of three different things.
You know what I mean?
But they're kind of like lumping them all in together.
And it's not clear exactly where one starts in the.
So by the way, the one if criticizing libertarians, like if you're saying like, hey, there are some libertarians who say dumb shit, like, okay, don't have much of an argument for you.
But the camp of the fucking, the real libertarians just took over the libertarian party.
So, you know, they, they may not know about that, but this is uh, but yes, there are some libertarians who say dumb shit.
There's also people of, you know, every in every camp who say dumb shit.
So what's interesting there is he goes, well, look, you can't have, you can't have the libertarian party because basically that's just that that's just like what was the term he used sleeper cells or something like that to get the Democrats to win.
And it's like, all right, I mean, look, I understand the argument that people will make to say, hey, you know, if you run libertarians, if you pull votes away from the Republican, you could get a Democrat elected.
And I think, you know, we've kind of talked about this before, but there's no question that you got to be really careful how you wield a third party under current, you know, under the current conditions.
Like, for example, it'd be really, really stupid if the Libertarian Party was like running someone against Thomas Massey.
You know what I mean?
Like, or something like that.
If there are good Republicans, then like, yeah, we shouldn't be running people against them, but we should be running against the, you know, the awful Republicans.
And then for guys like, if for Thomas Massey, with guys like that, you can even try to make agreements, you know, get some assurances out of them.
Like, hey, we won't run.
We'll even support you if you just like, you know, promise us you'll stay good on all these issues.
Or Thomas Massey, you wouldn't even really need anything from, but there's some other Republicans who are like pretty good.
And then you can maybe, you know, like get some concessions out of them in order to not challenge them.
So, but he goes, well, you know, he goes, you know, the problem with like a parliamentary system is that, oh, then you can get into a situation where, you know, Justin Trudeau wins with 30% of the vote.
And like, fair enough, there's flaws with that system.
But then he goes, look, the best system is still our two-party republic.
But kind of the problem with that is that, you know, it's unbelievable to me that so many of these guys, these, these like kind of Republican types can sit here and criticize the Libertarian Party, criticize libertarianism because a few libertarians said some dumb shit or something like that.
And then criticize the Libertarian Party for like, oh my God, you could, you know, you could end up resulting in the Democrats winning or something like that.
And then just go, yeah, but the Republican Party and the two-party system, that's great.
That's like the best thing we have.
Even though this entire nightmare scenario that Alex Jones laid out at the beginning is the result of the two-party system.
Like this has literally been given to you by the Republicans and the Democrats.
You know, like libertarians, I mean, say whatever you will about us.
We haven't been in power over the last fucking 20 years in America.
You know who has?
Republicans, a whole lot of Republicans.
So shouldn't they at least get some of the blame for this?
How are you going to say like, oh, yeah, this system is fucking great, even though, but, oh, by the way, you're going to be in a dystopian nightmare in 10 years.
You get my point on that, Rob?
I couldn't agree more.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
No, it seems simple.
I just, how are you getting up to say our system's the best if it's pretty terrible and you're concerned about pedophiles who are in power?
Well, how'd the pedophiles get in power?
Two-party system.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, let's keep playing.
That party is disbanded by just a political realignment.
It fades away.
And then the other party splits in two when the dividing forces or a new party is formed.
And then, and that's really what happened in the first 50 years of commentary.
So then again, he says, he goes, oh, but like what should happen is like if a party is really corrupt, then that party should split away and a new party can come in and take its place.
Quitting Smoking With Fume00:03:18
It's like, yeah, that's the fucking point, dude.
Like, that's the whole point.
Like, like, yes, both of these parties, the Democrats are worse than the Republicans, but both of these parties have like, they have passed the threshold where they deserve, they deserve to go.
They deserve to go.
Like, it's, it's, I'm not saying I expect perfection out of either of them.
I don't expect perfection out of the Libertarian Party either.
But like, yes, the Democrats like fucking framed the president of the United States of America for committing treason and being a traitor to Russia for four years and then supported fucking locking people in their homes.
They, the party deserves to be just, you know, completely disbanded.
Like they, they deserve to just be, to lose everything.
And then the Republicans, by and large, with like two notable exceptions, also supported lockdowns and for a million other reasons.
You know, I mean, the party that in 2016 or excuse me, in 2017 and 2018 had control of the House and the Senate and the presidency and spent more money than Barack Obama spent in his biggest year.
Yeah, they deserve to go also.
It's like all of these parties deserve to fucking go.
So that's the point.
The point is, at a certain point, you have to try to do something else.
And in this case, that's have a party that's for actually for liberty, actually for all of the things that both of you guys claimed you always believed in.
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The Democratic Party is trying to outlaw the Republican Party because it's trying to outlaw populism.
Populism through Trump, populism through the grassroots Tea Party is reproving the Republican Party, has a double-headed enemy of the Rhino neocons and the Democrats to deal with.
But over time, it's seen by the deep state and by Biden in his red blood, you know, Hitler speech as the enemy because it is Trumpism.
Not even all Trump's ideas have big problems with him, but what he mobilized or what he wrote in on as a surfer, that is what threatens the system.
That's the American true populist opposition.
And that's why the Democratic Party has declared war on it and says Homeland Security's main threat is populist Republicans, because that is how we take over the Republican Party and then revive the nation.
It's funny, you kind of came to it.
There's a parallel.
You sort of came in as a disc jockey, right?
You're a host.
I mean, listen to your voice.
We're kind of out loud.
Did you talk like this when you were in the sixth grade?
Pause it for a second.
So, you know, the thing is here is that he's saying like that populism is the way to go rather than libertarianism, leaving apart even like the third party issue for now.
Like even if you were arguing we should take over the Republican Party, that should really be like our plan.
It's like, sure.
Okay.
So populism, that's great.
But populism doesn't really mean anything.
Like all populism means like is basically like it's like a political program that is that is attempting to appeal to ordinary people and to tell them that they've been screwed over by the elites.
Well, that's great.
I mean, I'm completely on board with that.
That's, I want to appeal to ordinary people and I think they've been screwed over by the elites, but there's no actual like theory there.
And if you don't have an actual theory there, then it's very easy to not know, well, exactly how have the elites screwed you over?
And what exactly is the goal of this?
This is why you see, you see Donald Trump the other day.
Did you see this, Rob?
He said that I think he said something about giving drug dealers life in prison.
Yeah, he said something about how we should give drug dealers life in prison.
And you're like, really?
President Operation Warp Speed?
You're the biggest drug dealer in the country, man.
You were like in bed with the big pharma companies.
Who are the drug dealers who should fucking get?
And you just realize it's like, oh, yeah, okay.
So you think that's the problem?
That's why we have like a drug epidemic in this country is because what we haven't had harsh enough punishments for drugs over the last 40, 50 years.
Is that really the option?
It's like, oh, so here's the thing.
You want to fix the problems, but you don't even understand what's going on here.
You don't actually understand what the problem is.
You don't understand that actually legalizing all drugs would do far more to help the hundred thousand, you know, Americans ODing every year than throwing life at the dealers when you catch them, as if that'll really, you know, all the drugs will clean, like will magically disappear after that.
So it's just like one example, but there's a bunch where it's like, look, even if you're going to say, I agree, like, yeah, in some ways we need to ride this populist wave, but then what are you doing with it?
What are you channeling that into?
Just hating the elites?
Like, okay.
But then like, if you don't actually understand like where the elite's power comes from, how are you ever going to reduce that?
If you don't like, you know what I mean, like have a new group of elites that have, you know, that actually care about the country and want to do good by it.
It's like, okay, but then they have to know how to do good by the country.
Like, so all of this stuff is just, it's a rejection of libertarianism in favor for whatever fills the void, I guess.
Anyway.
And Trump's doing more southern than anyone.
You got to pick on everyone else for their drugs for.
Yeah, really.
Really, Trump.
I don't believe you're on nothing.
You can't still have this much energy when you fucking been eating McDonald's your entire life.
Something's going on there.
Anyway, any other thoughts on any of this, Rob?
Not much.
I mean, thus far, I think you've pointed out the lunacy pretty good of one, but like they haven't really given us a better alternative.
And I also don't understand what quite the criticism is.
I guess their criticism is that we might get in the way of some Republican movement that otherwise would happen.
And the best that they can label of the Republican movement is that there's some magical populist right movement that was won over by Trump, but I guess someone better could come in and win them.
I mean, at the moment, Trump's probably going to be the guy.
So you're just going to end up with more Trump.
And like, what does that do for anybody?
So I'm just not really quite grasping.
And right, right.
Yeah, I agree with all of that.
But I also go like, look, even if that's the case, let's like say, even if Donald Trump is coming back and let's say he's coming back maybe a little bit better than he was before.
You know, there's no real reason to think he's better than he was before, but maybe he is coming back and he's better than he was before.
You know, the guy who gave us Fauci for all of 2020, that guy is coming back.
It's like, don't we kind of need some type of movement to like hold his feet to the fire on this shit?
That it's like, okay, well, here's this huge voting block that if you want this voting block, you actually have to do something.
Like we want things in exchange for our support.
Like we, you know, because I think a step a wall would be nice.
Yeah, something, something, you know, but like that's uh, but but I want to see like, I want to see something like more in the realm of like, okay, okay, so the FBI was politicized against you.
I want, I want you to talk about abolishing the FBI or at least drastically reducing it.
I want you to talk about like rolling back all of this spying apparatus and the Patriot Act and all of this shit, right?
Because if this can be like, this is like, to me, I think it's a matter of like survival for the country that we don't go down this path anymore.
So again, it's, I just think, yeah, there's got to be something like actually saying, like pulling, like applying pressure, even if you don't support the third party, which I think you should, but there's got to be something like putting pressure on this thing to be like, yeah, no, you guys actually have to do the right things.
All right, let's keep playing.
I think they talk a little bit more about it.
And I just happen to be more right-wing.
And actually, this man right here, Andrew Breitbart, was the guy who first started.
He just started posting my stand-up clips in 2008 on back when it was Big Hollywood.
But I remember I was surprised because I thought I was kind of a libertarian until I was at a dinner in DC as many of these dinners, you know, they exist.
And I found that I want to say there was at least five, maybe six or seven people from Reason Magazine.
And I was subscribed to Reason Magazine and over half of them voted for Obama.
And I said, hold on a second, what's going on here?
I don't understand how I understand if I thought maybe they would stay home, not vote at that point because of the lesser two evils, but they actually voted for Obama because even though with all this, it's happened, you know, change.
And that's where I said, okay, if at this point in time, you know, Greg Gutfeld, Bill Maher, Glenn Beck, and these people at Reason Magazine all identify as libertarian, it doesn't really mean anything.
And I think today it's kind of something that needs to be shed because you can't say, hey, let's just all be fragmented when there's this leviathan coming from the left.
I mean, five companies control 90% of the information.
And now you're talking about the banking visa.
Well, you just said it perfectly.
The global megaphor is all just like so confused and not that well thought out at all.
Well, I agree that reason sucks.
Well, look, I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you why they would turn you off from libertarianism.
The pedophiles over there.
I get it.
They're one of the left.
I understand it.
Well, okay.
Look, fuck.
Guess maybe I have to defend Reason Magazine on this one, okay?
And yes, I agree with you.
I understand where Reason Magazine could turn some people off, and they've done plenty of that.
Uh, and we've been critical of them when they deserve it.
And there are like several people over at Reason Magazine who really, really are not fans of ours.
Like, those are the people, yes, they're and they're all pedophiles.
Um, but no, but there are some people at Reason who really hate me.
There's some people at Reason I have a very good relationship with.
But I will say that, look, for Crowder to just go like, well, you know, back in 2008, I talked to like five people from Reason Magazine and a bunch of them voted for Obama.
That's like, look, I'm not saying you should have voted for Obama in 2008.
You know, obviously, he was a terrible president, but he was running against John McCain.
And he, and Obama was running on ending the wars and repealing the Patriot Act and closing Guantanamo Bay.
And like, okay, he did none of that shit, but there was some things that we'd be way better off with, like, if he had done the things he was running on.
So, just a little bit of a caveat there, but it's like, wait, so you're going to blame.
So, you hold libertarians accountable because five of them voted for Obama in 2008, but you guys supported John McCain.
Like, he was your nominee.
So, that's not enough reason to be like, oh, I'm out on the Republicans ever again, but it's enough reason to say we ought to shed the label libertarian because a few of them supported Obama.
Just like the logic here makes no sense.
Like, I mean, you guys were not that far back in 2008, in 2012, you know, you guys had presidential nominees who were explicitly running on the George W. Bush war on terrorism agenda.
And that has that whole, like, that whole system has now been turned inward, as Alex Jones was talking about, right?
The Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Homeland Security, Alex Jones just told you, said that the populist, the populist Republicans were the number one threat.
It's like, right.
And who created the Department of Homeland Security again?
Oh, yeah, George W. Bush did.
And who supported it?
John McCain, right?
So that's who you guys put up as your nominee.
So somehow that's not disqualifying.
But yet, five people from reason is enough of a reason why we should shed this whole identity.
And I'll tell you the other thing, or shed this whole ideology, I should say.
The other thing I will tell you that, look, I'm a little bit sympathetic to Crowder saying, well, look, we can't all be like fragmented because we've got this huge common enemy.
We've got to fight against this common enemy, you know?
But, but the problem is that it's like, okay, but we have to agree on how to fight it.
You know what I mean?
Like if we, if you just dismiss that, like it's like, if there's a fire that's that's rapidly spreading and taking over your house, right?
And you're like backed up and you're like, half the house is burned down now and there's no escape.
And you're like, we're all going to get burned alive by this fire.
This fire would be progressivism, right?
And so this fire is coming and you're like, we're all going to get burned alive.
And you're like, okay, well, I have this strategy, but I think we need to dump water on the fire to put it out.
And the water in this case would be libertarianism.
Now, you could say there's strategy issues.
You're like, I don't know how you're going to get enough water.
I don't know where the water is going to come from.
I don't know how exactly we're going to get the water dumped onto all the fire.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, granted, but this is what puts out fire is water.
You know what I mean?
And you're like, okay, yeah, but there's only like, let's say there's like 20 of us in the in the house in the part that hasn't been burned up yet.
And you're like, okay, yeah, but you only have five of you who want to put water on this fire.
And we've got 15 of us who want to put it out with gasoline.
Okay.
So why don't we just all join forces together and come over here on our team that wants to put this fire out with gasoline.
And then we can all kind of fight against this fire together.
And, you know, the problem is that we're all going to blow up and die if we try to put it out with gasoline.
So no, instead, what we have to do is convince the other 15 people that actually water is what's going to put out this fire.
So in other words, if you're, if you're like rejecting the idea that abolishing the government power is what's going to put out this fire, then I don't know how exactly we do all join together on the same team.
And if you're, if you're agreeing with that, that that is what will put this out, then fine.
But then why the fuck should I shed my label when my label is the thing that was right about all of this shit?
When my label are the people who were explaining to you why you never should have gone down this path.
No, if anything, you should reject the name Republican because that's what was represented.
You know, as Alex Jones even said, he used the term rhino at one point, you know, Republican in name only.
It's so funny.
It's such a ridiculous term.
I know Michael Malice has pointed this out a bunch, but it's such it's such a ridiculous idea.
They go, oh, you're a Republican in name only.
Like you're not the real Republican.
And like, who's a rhino?
Who's a rhino?
Well, it's Mitt Romney, you know, the Republican 2012 nominee, and John McCain, the Republican 2008 nominee, and George W. Bush, the two-term president for the Republicans, and George H.W. Bush, the president for the Republicans.
And by the time you get through it, you're like, oh, but what do you mean in name only?
Then this is what they are.
You know what I mean?
Like, this is if these are the Republicans.
So why the hell should like we abandon our title for you?
And by the way, I don't even really care.
I don't really fucking care.
If you wanted to say to me, like, hey, the Republicans believe in fucking, you know, limited government and non-interventionism and Austrian economics and they want to abolish the Fed and all this shit, but we're just calling it Republican, not libertarian.
Like, I guess I don't really care what you call it.
But let's get real.
Like who's adopting whose position here?
Because that's really what matters.
So, all right.
Anyway, I guess that's my little rant on that.
Anything to add, Rob?
Yeah, I pick up on two things while he's talking, which is one, the Libertarian Party does have a problem, or us as Libertarians has a problem that people do really like our ideas.
They like the idea of freedom.
They like the idea of liberty.
And people do a really good job of hijacking kind of those themes of pretending what they have is that, which I would say even Reason Magazine falls into that category sometime.
Certainly the other examples of people that he was talking about fall into that category that, you know, people kind of like get that this is intuitively what people might like.
And I also find generally speaking, if I talk to conservatives, most conservatives actually are libertarians.
They just don't know that this thing, it's one of two things.
They either don't know that this exists, like if you actually explain to them our philosophy, I find a majority of them will go, oh, yeah, I like that.
And so they either aren't into this or behind it because they don't know it exists, or they've got this other philosophy, which is like they would like to, they're willing to compromise more of their beliefs to win, which there's a philosophy there.
I kind of understand it where they're like, I hate the left so much that, you know, I'm going to join with this Republican bandwagon because I want to win.
I just hate the left so much.
I don't want a chance losing, which I understand that philosophy, but I find like the bulk of Republicans, there's very few that really love war, really love the police, really want the Christians to be able to fight back and police our culture.
I don't meet too many of those people.
No, I agree with you.
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I meet far more of the people who fall into that camp.
And yeah, no question, that's a fucking problem.
It's a real issue for us.
But the other side of the issue is that, you know, if we don't actually in some way stand up for what we believe in, then we're just, we get the same cycle over and over and over again.
And I at least have lived through it enough times to go, yeah, that's not going to be good enough, especially when the consequences are this dire.
Or if you're crowded, you could probably just be honest and go, I was a big, I was, I was a libertarian and I realized there's a bigger market for doing conservative radio.
So I'm a little bit more in the conservative camp, which is fine.
Yeah, it turns out I'm just an idiot.
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Great reset, Klaus Schwab, New World Order.
They are making their move through the Democratic Party.
They see the Tea Party and Trumpism and all the rest of it as making a move of populism.
So they put everything down the Democrats.
The Democrats aren't hiding that they want to censor or arrest our political opposition or track everything we do and just sew it up.
And so, yes, we're going towards Venezuela.
Guaranteed, that's their admitted goal.
Bankrupt the country to bring us to our knees.
And so, absolutely, the Libertarian Party is a cancer.
In fact, I'm ashamed I was ever sucked in by it, but it was a different political landscape.
I was the same.
I'm more of a right-winger.
I'm pro-gun.
I'm pro-life, but I'm pro-free speech and I'm anti-war.
I didn't like George W. Bush and people.
So I'm like, I don't like John McCain.
Pause it.
All righty.
It's like, see, this is the thing.
It's just this assertion that we're a fucking cancer.
I mean, I'm sure he doesn't know about the shakeup and how like real Ron Paul libertarians have taken the fucking party over, I would assume.
But it's like when he goes, look, I'm a right-wing guy.
I'm pro-life.
I'm pro-gun.
I'm anti-war.
I'm pro-free speech.
It's like, yeah, that's what we are, dude.
Like, that's basically our fucking movement.
That's what I, I mean, I guess there's some pro-choicers in there too, but like, that's basically like, that's me.
Everything he just said is describing me.
It's like, okay, yeah.
So, right.
The problem is that you're just like, yes, do the fucking the great reset camp, do they see the Democrats as their vehicle?
Sure.
Do they see the Republican populist Trump movement as their enemy?
Absolutely.
But we elected Donald Trump.
And under Donald Trump's presidency, the great reset took off.
You know what I mean?
Like 2020 was his, this was the culmination of his presidency.
So what are we to do?
Just do that again without making any improvements on it?
Without focusing at all on where he failed and what he needs to get better on or what whoever the next leader needs to get better on?
That doesn't seem like enough to me.
Here, let's play one little more clip and then we're going to wrap this up.
So I'm not going to vote for John McCain or Barack Obama.
And I went and protested Obama at the DNC and McCain at the RNC and almost got arrested both.
And I was trying to be, I'm a populist, I'm about ideas, transcend left, right paradigm.
And then Obama got in and went against everything he said.
And I think, and I wasn't naive.
I knew it was bad, but he was so bad with racial division and so bad, you know, with putting horrible judges in.
I went, okay, obviously I couldn't vote for McCain, but McCain was just a fill up, you know, filler.
This was all rigged.
Now we're in trouble.
And then comes in Trump and they're all against him.
And he goes for the borders and he goes for better trade deals.
And, you know, he stands up on a lot of things.
Bad move, I think, with his warped speed, but he's pickheaded, whatever.
And so now they're in full panic mode because they understand that the right wing in America is populist.
They're energized and they know about the new world order.
And that's why the globals and the left hate me so much is because they give me the credit more than anybody of energizing the Tea Party with an anti-new world order system, which is really what it is.
And so that's why I'm so hated, second most after Trump, is because they can trace back their think tanks.
All right, we can just pause it there.
And I mean, we could wrap up on that, I guess.
I'm sorry, because I got books and you can buy them.
Look at it.
It's right here.
It's like, I don't know, dude.
It's like, you're going to call like the fucking, you know, our party like a cancer on this society, but it's like, well, I don't know, man.
Like the question, look, he rightfully says that like, I couldn't support Barack Obama and I couldn't support John McCain.
And you could certainly argue that like Donald Trump is a huge improvement from John McCain, you know, but who never, literally never met a country he didn't want to bomb, you know?
But the truth is that it's just obviously after getting four years of it, it wasn't good enough.
It wasn't good enough to hold this whole thing off.
So at the very least, wouldn't you recognize that we have to do better than this?
I mean, okay, if John McCain's a deal breaker, well, what's a deal breaker?
Doesn't there have to be some, you know, like the example I would give sometimes is you go like almost like, doesn't there have to be some limit of what someone could do where it's enough for you to be like, I can't just support this person, you know, like if you said someone was like some leader rose up and, you know, if Adolf Hitler was like, let's just say hypothetically really good on economics.
He's going to get rid of the Fed, but leave the other Jews alone.
Well, no, but I'm saying like, say he was like really good on that.
He goes, we're going to end central banking.
We're going to have hard money.
We're going to drastically cut the size and scope of the government's budget, It, but we're doing the Holocaust.
You know, we're still going to do the genocide.
Is he keeping it dashing out?
You wouldn't go like, oh, yeah, no, that's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
You'd be like, no, this part's a deal breaker for me, right?
Like, this is just too awful.
I can't.
It doesn't matter what you're good on on the other stuff.
He wasn't good on the other stuff anyway.
But I'm just saying, it's like, I don't know, Donald Trump, like, if the stakes are as high as Alex Jones laid out at the beginning, that we're about to live in this dystopian nightmare, which I don't know if he's right, but there's definitely reason to be concerned about it.
Okay.
If the stakes are that high, then no, we can't just blindly support the guy who fucking kept Fauci on the job for all of 2020 and fucking, you know, so like fell at the very least, fell right into the fucking trap that this whole new world order, as Alex Jones calls it, laid out for him, fell right into the great reset trap.
Maybe paid some lip service to fighting it a few times, but never really did anything tangible to fight back against it.
That's not good enough.
And anyway, I guess, if nothing else, show that none, it's not like even Steven Crowder or Alex Jones's like arguments against libertarianism failed.
It's like they didn't even make any arguments against it.
There's literally just like no thought or argument put forward here.
It's just kind of bashing it without, I don't think, ever seriously considering or grappling with what we're talking about here at the party.
So long live the Libertarian Party.
All right, that's it.
That's our episode for today.
Anything else you want to add, Rob?
Go ahead.
Yeah, just to close out, Alex, I know we criticize you here today, but I'd still like to be your friend.
I support, I think it's terrible what those actors and actresses did to you.
So, you know, have me on sometime.
You should be allowed to get out there and say whatever the hell it is.
And on this case, I think you should rethink the LP because we're doing some good stuff.