Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein critique Joe Biden's climate emergency declaration, arguing it ignores economic realities where fossil fuels lifted a billion from poverty. They condemn environmentalists' faith in green energy as religious dogma, citing Representative Tom Massie's clash with Pete Buttigieg over the impossible 2030 electric vehicle target. With current grids unable to handle the load without causing blackouts or starvation, Smith asserts that state-mandated transitions are ideological magic talk that sacrifices billions for unproven solutions, ultimately framing climate activism as a dangerous rejection of market logic. [Automatically generated summary]
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Dangerous Days of Laughter00:03:39
Fill her up.
You're listening to the Gash Digital Network.
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You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
What's up?
What's up?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith.
I got my sidekick, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, back in the building.
Very happy about that.
Hope everybody's having a good day or whatever, good time at work, whatever people do as they consume this podcast.
A lot of people listen at work.
I know that.
A lot of people...
Let's learn something.
Yeah, well, it's a podcast.
This is part of the reason why podcasts in general took off so much is because fucking people could, a lot of people have a job where you could throw a fucking earpiece in and listen to something.
You know, a lot of people have jobs where, you know, people who are like fucking drivers, people, whatever it may be.
You know what I mean?
You can't sit down and watch something, but you could throw something in your ear and listen.
And then, I don't know.
That's a cool thing.
Can't do that with television.
Podcasting got around it.
All of media fell apart.
Yeah, there's part of that.
Because even as I was describing that, I was like, I guess I'm just describing radio.
And I think that was invented when my great grandpa was a boy.
Anyway, I haven't really overthought it, but it's become a nice career.
How are you, Robert?
I'm doing great.
And I'm very thankful to not have to show up to an office every day, but I do remember one great experience of being in my office listening to the LOS Lewis poem and trying not to laugh at my desk and like, like, just on the inside, having the greatest laugh and like letting out little squeaks to try and let the gas out.
It's great.
It's one of, it's still, it's to this day might be the best thing we've ever done.
I don't know if we've ever topped that.
It was just, it was a magical moment where, and it really was the moment.
If people don't know what it is, go look it up.
The Lewis J. Gomez, the poem.
It's up there on YouTube and shit.
I'm sure a bunch of people have posted it.
It's, it's, it was the moment that we created Legion of Skanks.
It was this kind of magical moment where it's just the three of us.
It's what, it's what that show is at the best.
It's, it's three of us.
This is back when we were friends.
And we're just all in those old days.
Yes.
You can actually, we liked each other.
Yeah.
Different times.
We hung out when we weren't getting paid handsomely to do it.
But I'm kidding.
Of course, I love those guys.
They're family to me.
But we're laughing.
It's just such real gut, uncontrollable laughing.
And it was like one of these moments where it was like, and everyone who's listening is like in that group with us.
Like we're all like this kind of contagious, it's a different type of laughing, like where it's, that's why I can relate to you saying that so much.
It's like, it's not like, oh, fuck.
Like, you know, sometimes even I, and I love stand-up comedy, sometimes like I'll, you know, watch another comic or something like that.
And you'll kind of be like, fuck, that's an excellent joke, you know, but you're not like dying.
This is like fucking like you can't hold it together, tears running down your face laughing.
And it's just to have that type of laugh and have to be kind of holding it in is such a fucking hilarious position of being.
Billion People in Poverty00:15:12
All right.
Anyway, enough reminiscing about the good old days.
Let's move on to the new not so good days.
Opening up for the show, climate change.
Let's talk a bit about it because this is some really interesting and dangerous things are happening.
So Joe Biden, it was announced in the press over the last few days.
He confirmed today that he is, they've been saying he's going to declare a climate emergency.
He said today that he will be using executive, you know, it's very vague exactly what's going to be done here, but he's saying he's going to use executive orders to mobilize the federal government to start.
He's going to ruin the economy.
Just put him in charge.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, right.
Let's just follow the shutting down factories, shoving people back in their homes.
Same playbook.
Just keep him in charge.
Well, look, I mean, we again, I'm not like trying to take credit for this.
Like there were a lot of people who talked about this, but we were on record back in March of 2020 saying, like, this is really the danger of what's coming up here.
And this is what you got to keep your eye on, that these lockdowns have set a precedent that is going to be like seized on, or at least attempted to be by the climate activists.
Like that's, it's, it's just so clear that that was like like the logical conclusion of this, right?
I mean, if there's something that could save some lives and therefore we've set the precedent now that government can lock you in your homes and shut down the economy and all of this shit.
Well, what's what's bigger than the entire climate is about to die and everyone's going to die unless we do this.
And then you would just notice it was kind of impossible not to, I think, for anyone who pays attention to this shit.
Like from the perspective of these insane environmentalists, which now what they all talk about is climate change.
They've been around pre-climate change.
But you'd have to think that the lockdowns were great, right?
This is probably the greatest thing.
From their perspective, how could they argue against that?
That's in the history of the environmentalist movement, that the lockdowns were the best thing that ever happened.
Has there ever been government action that did more to slow emissions than, you know, kicking like a whole bunch of people out of work, taking cars off the road, all this shit?
And that's, it's a little example, but it shows you how perverse this whole thing is.
Like that, how anti-human the environmentalist movement really is.
It's, it's, you know, it sounds kind of nice when you just present it with this, like, we protect Mother Earth bullshit.
But when it comes right down to it, if you understand anything about this, the people who are advocating for climate change, either wittingly or unwittingly, are advocating against human beings.
That's just the reality of the situation.
But whether they understand that or not, and I think some of them do, I think a whole lot of them don't.
But that is the essence of what they're advocating.
They're anti-human.
And that's why I'm so opposed to them because I'm in the pro-human camp.
I'm on team human, as I've been for a while.
Rob, you're a fellow team humaner.
Sometimes, other times, I just hope that they force the price of goods up so much that no one can consume anything.
And, you know, maybe we'll just all take to the woods and fornicate.
Well, you do have that option right now, Rob.
You can go there anytime you want to.
And you need other occasions.
You need other people to be on board with it.
And for you to be the only person who's been stocking up on freezer goods that are falling out of your closet.
So, you know, but I'm hoping to be the one guy.
And I already have the good sperm.
And there's so many people out there with ruined vaginas because of their menstruation and stuff.
So I'm just telling you, I'm setting myself up well for the next five years.
You're actually, this is all, as it turns out, this is all working into your favor.
So look, I think this is something that obviously, like, we've talked about climate change before on the show.
So there'll be a little bit of rehashing some of that stuff here.
But I think that, like, this is it's important because it's in the news now, and people got to have their fucking like understanding of this shit together, whether that's just to understand what's up or to like argue and win arguments with other people, or probably most importantly, to like persuade some people who are kind of open, but maybe not all the way there.
Um, but this is the thing, right?
And this, this, it is criminal how little this gets discussed.
And it's even, even we don't talk about this enough that this doesn't get brought up enough, all right, anywhere.
But over like over the last 30 years, the greatest thing in the history of the world has happened, and it rarely comes up.
You could read the newspapers every single day and watch CNN every day, even listen to like political podcasts every day and have no idea that this happened.
But over the last 30 years, the greatest thing that's ever happened in the history of the world happened, which was over a billion people were pulled out of extreme poverty.
This happened.
It's nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of the world.
And this is like not some, I don't know, it's not like some kooky libertarian website is claiming this.
Like this is everybody concedes that this happened.
Over 1 billion people were pulled out of extreme poverty.
The greatest number of people to escape extreme poverty in the history of the world, the greatest reduction in overall poverty in the history of the world.
This is a great thing.
I don't know who could argue that this isn't just like the greatest fucking thing ever.
You're talking about people who were living on like under a dollar a day not being in that situation anymore.
This isn't like some question of people who, you know, like how much extravagance do you really need?
You know what I mean?
You're talking about people like living on the brink of starvation, no longer being in that situation.
It's the greatest thing ever.
And it happened in Asia, you know, a lot of it in China, a lot of it in India, you know, and it happened, you know, primarily because they freed up markets and liberalized markets and allowed for free trade and for voluntary interactions and basically capitalism, more capitalism than before.
And what was the direct, not, I shouldn't say the direct result of it.
This is as a result of liberalizing markets, of moving to more of a free market, there were two results that were directly related, right?
One was the greatest thing that's ever happened in the history of the world: a billion people plus more than a billion people being pulled out of extreme poverty.
And what pulled them out of extreme poverty?
A rise in carbon emissions, a rise in fossil fuels, right?
This is what happened.
This is how people get out of poverty.
Is that, you know, I mean, if you just think about it, it's like, oh, yeah, there's a whole bunch more electricity being used.
There's a whole bunch more energy being used.
That's what pulls people out of poverty.
Okay.
So just to be clear about this, the idea of like fossil fuels or carbon emissions being the enemy somehow, somehow being like put out there as this is some bad thing.
It's like, no, this is babies not starving to death anymore.
That's what it is.
And the reality is that as of right now, the entire civilized world runs on fossil fuels.
That's just the reality.
And there is nothing else, with the exception of perhaps nuclear energy, that could potentially, that could possibly right now sustain what we have.
Like we could switch to what they call green energy and drastically increase the amount of extreme poverty in the world.
But those are the choices as of right now.
It's fossil fuels, nuclear energy, or back to extreme poverty.
Those are your choices.
That's just the plain reality of the situation.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is just not dealing with the real world.
Now, whatever they want to say about these doom and gloom predictions of if we continue to use fossil fuels, first off, the doom and gloom shit is all bullshit.
But regardless of that, the people who say, oh, all life will be destroyed or something, that's bullshit.
None of the science actually backs that up.
There is more or less a consensus amongst the scientific community that this is having an effect that's warming the earth.
There's kind of a range of what they think the result of that is going to be.
Some people are like, yeah, sea levels will rise a little bit, won't be that big of a deal.
Other people go like, no, it'll actually cause some problems.
But like there's no competition between the problems caused by that and the problems of billions of people being plunged into extreme poverty.
Like it's just not.
More people have ocean views.
So it all works out.
That's for sure.
And it man, maybe drown some people on the coasts.
Those people are assholes anyway.
They'll have time.
They'll have time to move.
But like, it's just, but to be clear, it's like the problem, like even when they talk about like the sea levels rising or something like that, the problem isn't the sea, right?
The problem isn't like, oh, the sea will be hurt by the sea levels rising.
The problem always comes back to people.
That's what they've got to get it back to, right?
Like it's got to be like, oh, no, and then people will die or people will starve or something like this bad will happen to people.
But the fact is that in order to cut out, you know, carbon emissions, people will guaranteed starve to death by the billions.
So there's no, and if you want to make the argument, it's like, well, climate change will hurt animals and plant life more, therefore people have to starve to death by the billions, like, okay.
But as I said before, I'm on team people.
I don't like, I care about babies starving to death, not about, you know, like sea creatures.
I just don't care about them as much.
So if you want to make, or plants or whatever.
And a lot of these doom scenarios are like way overblown anyway.
But that's basically the state of things.
And, you know, there is something like it's really when you talk about the billion people who are pulled out of extreme poverty, you talk about people who are living on like a dollar a day or something like that.
It's that's that's almost like impossible to debate against this just being a clear good.
We when when you talk about first world countries, it's a little bit, you know, you could make a little bit more of an argument kind of theoretically about like, you know, like whether we really need so much wealth, right?
That's why these debates are all happening in first world countries.
And like there's really something to this.
It's also the reason why it's the richest, most privileged members in our society who are all about this climate change shit.
Like, where do you find the climate activists?
Like college campuses, you know, Hollywood superstars who drop, you know, rivertown people hang out.
Right.
Like, but I'm saying it's, but, but I'm not just making the point that they're dumb because there's dumb people all over the place.
I'm saying it's like the dumb people on private jets are the ones talking about climate change, ironically.
I think there's nothing you can possibly do to have a higher carbon footprint than fly a private jet, but yet they will take private jets to their climate, you know, conferences or whatever.
So it's easy amongst that crowd to kind of feel like, look, we live with so much extravagance.
What's reducing your wealth a little bit, you know?
And you can kind of, you know, when you're talking about wealth, when what you're talking about is whether you starve to death or not, no one's really having a debate over whether getting wealthier is better.
When wealth is something like, do you have the fanciest big screen TV you've ever had in your life, or do you still have your old big screen TV?
It becomes a little bit easier to debate, do you really need all that?
Maybe you could sacrifice a little bit of that, right?
But once you get to a point where you start feeling real economic pain in any sense, all that shit goes away real quick.
And so I would just say, like, even for some of those people who are like, well, we don't really have, we have too much.
This is something that's kind of like hurting society that we have too much wealth.
It's like, yeah, that's not really true overall.
Like we're actually really nowhere near that point.
Look at just what gas going up a little bit has done.
How many families are just being destroyed by this?
How many people are being completely like worn thin by the price inflation over the last couple of years?
It's like, okay, so that's what you're talking about doing times a thousand, right?
You think the cost of energy going up a little bit is like really causing all this real pain?
Imagine the Green New Deal.
It's people don't appreciate how fragile all this shit is and how easily we can go back to being that dirt poor.
And you'll realize real quick that wealth is good, poverty is bad.
Like that's, you know, and of course, this is something that obviously for people who are listening to this who are like actually struggling or, you know, this is something I don't need to explain much more in depth to them.
So that is my like kind of opening little, the first, I guess, part of this rant on climate change.
I don't know.
Any thoughts or anything you want to add, Rob?
No, I'm on board.
I like for all my research I've done, I didn't know that figure of a billion people.
So that's pretty succinct.
Yeah.
Now, the other thing that is very interesting in the climate change debate is how the unbelievable level of ignorance about the topic that the proponents of a drastic revolution in the way we get our energy have.
The only other issue I could think of to compare it to is guns, which maybe we'll get into that a little bit later.
But you ever, the people who are like the biggest proponents of gun control and like don't know, I mean, like, they don't know like automatic versus semi-automatic and what the distinction is.
You know what I mean?
Like they're like, there are literally people who make this one of their biggest issues, but don't feel the slightest obligation to know anything about what they're talking about.
But I think it's similar to COVID.
Atheism and Self-Righteousness00:06:50
It's because they live in a reality where they like government.
They like the concept of centralized planning.
They don't like the free markets.
They think there's flaws in the free market because evil corporations are out there trying to steal from them and governments there protecting them.
So if government steps in and says, hey, we've got a problem with the free market because your corporations are going to eat up the environment.
And so what we need to do is have governments step in and can switch us from what we're currently doing to this green energy thing because otherwise your kids are going to die.
But we can easily make this switch.
As long as government steps in and makes the investments in green energy, we can solve this for you.
So most people, they're not questioning that.
They're like living in that reality.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
And it really is.
Sorry, go ahead.
I would just say there's one other element.
Also, love the self-righteousness of it that by accepting this as kind of being their religion of oh, the centralized government, you know, it's like no different than when you see these people in North Korea that are so blinded by government that they actually think that their leaders are serving them.
So, like, these people are so sure of the fact that they're on the side of morality and that there's some other evil people that are just getting in the way of our ability to have a more utopian universe where we're working off of windmills instead of burning coal, coal.
They just don't know.
You know, I've mentioned several times on the podcast, of course, and this is something that people have listened to the show for a long time.
You can kind of see like my evolution on this as I kind of went from being like an atheist to being not an atheist.
And also, just, but aside from believing in God or any of that, but just like the understanding the problems with atheism, even from an atheistic point of view, like even without making the argument that God is real, just taking on like practically speaking, the problems with atheism.
And one of the things that, you know, as I've mentioned many times before, and I'm again, I'm not the only person to say this, I'm not the first person to say this, but the main problem with atheism is not even necessarily like if you don't believe in God, that's fine.
Like if you, if you just believe, and I understand it, I used to feel this way too.
And it's, it's probably something that's going to be very hard to argue someone out of.
I think that what converts atheists to believers is never a really great argument.
It's always an amazing experience.
At least that's what I, it's never been like, oh, someone just made such a good point, and now I believe in God.
It's like something has to happen to you in your life.
You have to meet God and then you know he's real.
So, but the problem, as I've mentioned many times, and again, not my original argument, the problem with atheism, and you'll see this with a lot of the proponents of atheism, is they almost always, whether it was Ayn Rand or Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris or any of these guys, they always kind of propose that it's like, well, we don't need atheism.
And what will replace religion is science.
And what will replace religion is rationality and logic and all of this.
But the problem with that is that it's the same fundamental problem that communism has.
It's like this would work if human beings weren't human beings.
Like this would work if people didn't operate based on their self-interest and instead operated in some, you know, like if we were ants who were very willing to sacrifice ourselves for the group, you know, then theoretically this model could work, but we're not.
We're human beings.
And so the problem with atheism is that the desire to worship is hardwired.
Like it's just hardwired.
And when you remove religion, another religion floods in right away.
And this is why on college campuses that might be the most secular atheist places in the world, they just worship the religion of social justice.
They just worship, you know, this is why, you know, you look at the Nazis or the commies and say they were atheist societies, but like take a look at them.
Were they really?
Were they really atheist societies or were they like the most devout religious societies in the history of humanity?
You know, it's like it's all the same things.
They're just worshiping something way more fucked up than what the traditional religions have been.
So one of the things that really first started waking me up to that was the climate change issue.
And I would see so many people on the left who would, when they talk about climate change, it was right away.
It was like, well, you either believe in science or you don't.
You know, what do you don't believe in science?
Sorry, I believe in science, so I know climate change is real.
And as someone who had who's talked to some of these people who had looked into this, you know, a bit, not saying I'm an expert, but I knew a lot a lot more than they did.
And as soon as I'd start talking to him about it, you'd figure out you haven't looked into this at all.
You don't know anything about this.
You literally just heard this from someone.
And to your point earlier, Rob, it gave them a sense of like self-righteousness.
Like, I'm the good guy who's, I'm the smart scientist guy now, and I know science and you don't know science.
And what are you?
One of these heretics who would question this, you know, and it was just so obvious to me looking at it.
It's like, this is religious.
This isn't scientific.
I'm not having a scientific conversation with you.
We're not like actually talking about like, you know, like the capacity of wind energy to produce enough electricity for a nation, an industrialized nation, or we're not talking about like the price of solar energy and how, you know what I mean?
Like this, none of this is about like anything other than your belief, your faith in what supposed experts have told you.
And they've told you this is the reality and that only bad people don't believe this reality.
I'm sorry, this is religious, not scientific across the board.
And I'm not saying that's the truth for everyone, but I'm saying like for the masses in general, that's kind of the reality.
And it was very easy to see this same exact thing get built into the COVID dynamics.
That it was no, they weren't having a scientific conversation with you.
They're having a religious conversation with you.
And so ultimately, it just seems like what you want is almost to like allow people to have their religion that is a religion that is compatible with civilization, you know, and like a healthy civilization, and then let them have science under that umbrella somewhere where they can actually like, you know, talk about science and try to have scientific advancements, but not make the science the religion, because then it's like just as bad.
Community-Powered Health Savings00:02:34
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Not Enough Power for All00:15:21
All right, let's get back into the show.
Anyway, one of the things that's amazing about the climate discussion when it actually gets into the logistics of it is the, as I said, you could look at this as from a religious perspective, people's faith in government, which you just mentioned a second ago.
The almost idea that, like, of course, it's a given that we can do this if we want to.
There's a lot of this, particularly amongst progressives.
You know, like, obviously, we could end gun violence if we wanted to.
We just have to get everybody to want to make the government do it.
And then we could do it.
And like this, it's just like, well, obviously, if we just decided we're going to be green, we could do that.
Who could stop us from being green if everyone just agreed?
We're going to go all green energy.
And there's like no understanding of the underlying realities, which is, you know.
So, anyway, here's a clip that we wanted to play, which was, of course, the great heroic Tom Massey, who got to have a little exchange with Pete Boutige.
And this, I thought, really kind of illuminated a lot of this dynamic that I'm talking about.
So let's go watch a little bit of this.
Thank you.
Thanks, gentlemen.
Representative Matthew.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Secretary Budegig, I've been driving an electric car for 10 years and I've had solar panels for 15 years and I'm really bullish on technology and the way it could help make our country energy independent or more energy independent.
But I'm really alarmed at sort of the naivete of those who are promoting rapid adoption of these technologies with our existing infrastructure.
President Biden signed a non-binding executive order stating that 50% of vehicles sold in the United States should be electric by 2030.
Do you support that?
Yes.
And he also said that by 2035, that 100% of the federal fleet, federal government fleet, should be electric.
Do you support that?
Yes.
So which uses more electricity?
We're talking about residential electricity here, a refrigerator when it's running or an electric car when it's charging in your garage.
I would expect a car.
Would you say it uses twice as much or 25 times as much?
I would think closer to 25 times as much.
It's actually 50 at the instantaneous moment.
But over the course of a year, if I take the numbers from the U.S. Department of Energy about the average household, how many vehicles they own and how far they drive, over the course of a year, an American household would use 25 times as much electricity for their electric cars they would for their refrigerator if they had 100% adoption.
If the average family has two vehicles, and this would be if the average family had two electric vehicles, do you think it would strain the green pause it for a second already?
So it's just so, it's just so funny how already once you get into this type of conversation, you can already see, I think, where he's going with this.
And don't worry, we'll get back to it and play it.
But this is what I mean about it being a religious conversation and not a scientific one.
With all the climate activists, you know, does this ever come up?
Do they ever talk about this?
About how like, oh, like, wait, how the fuck are we going to do this?
Yeah, it's nice to say things like, oh, okay, what did Joe Biden say?
By 2030, we want 50% of the cars to be electric.
Like, okay, well, that's in eight years.
So wow, okay, then we might have to like, that's nice.
That's a nice thing to want, but let's talk about the logistics of this.
And I love the way he puts that right now to just go, okay, so one car is 25 times as much electricity as a refrigerator.
Let's just say every single house, every single house had 25 refrigerators running.
Do you think that might put a strain on the power grid?
Hmm.
Let's think about that.
I mean, look, as we all know, right, as everybody who just has been alive and knows, I mean, unless you live in like fucking, I don't know, Alaska or something like that.
When it gets fucking hot in the summer, like when there's a big heat wave, there's almost always a major strain on the power grid, right?
Because fucking everyone's running their AC constantly, you know?
Oftentimes there are blackouts associated with this, right?
This is a major problem when there's a huge heat wave in an area.
Now imagine that situation and everyone's running 25 refrigerators.
What's going to happen?
I mean, you don't have to be a genius.
I'm not like claiming to be an expert in this, but it's so obvious.
As soon as you start looking into this, it's like, oh, well, that would be a fucking disaster.
That would be a fucking disaster.
I'd like to point out another variable.
You know, they keep talking about how the electric cars are cheaper.
I don't know.
I have electric heat in my apartment.
It is very expensive.
I mean, it's expensive to the point I stopped using it.
But now, what does that look like when you get to the point where there's surge pricing?
Like when everyone's running their AC, the prices go up.
So if we actually take all the car gasoline off the market and we're all forced to transition to electricity.
So is our comparison today of what it costs you to run your electric vehicle going to be the same when we, when there's no more market competition and you're forced to consume electricity for your car?
Is that going to be the same pricing?
Yes.
Well, right.
So when government steps into the market and creates these monopolies, usually it's not.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing, right?
It's like all of this, it becomes almost completely irrelevant because when you're talking about things like these retarded, lofty goals that they have, this idea of 50% of the cars in the next eight years are going to be electric.
It's kind of like, oh, well, what if I passed a law that said you had to sell laptops for a dollar?
Would you enjoy buying a laptop for a dollar?
It's like, no, the answer is there will be none.
The answer isn't like you will be able to buy a computer for a dollar.
The answer is that there's no profit to be made selling a computer for a dollar and therefore no one will produce them.
And this will within a fucking week, there'll be no more computers being sold.
So the answer, if you're talking about in the middle, just say in the middle of a heat wave, when everyone's running their AC and there's already a strain on the electric grid, now everyone's running 25 to 50 refrigerators in their home as well.
There's no more electricity.
There's no conversation to be had here about whether or not this is cheaper.
And yeah, okay, sure.
I suppose they can drive up the cost of gasoline enough that right now with the amount of electric cars we have, it might be cheaper to have an electric car than to be filling up your car at the pump every day.
But if you're talking about if everyone had an electric car, then there is no more electricity.
Like it's not, there's no more conversation to be had about even what the cost is.
The answer is there simply isn't enough to provide for everyone.
That's the reality of the situation, whether you like it or not.
This isn't like, again, this isn't like a, oh, I feel this way about left wing or right wing or this is just factually what the situation is.
We do not have the infrastructure for it.
There's no, there's no plan of how this could possibly work.
People are just talking out of their fucking asses when they go, oh, we'll have no carbon emissions by the year 2050.
I mean, that sounds far off enough, right?
So how about 2050?
No carbon emissions.
Why did they pick 2050 instead of 2060 or 2080?
Just because it sounded nice.
It sounds like far off enough that you won't really grill me on how we're going to get there.
And not so far off that you're like, oh, that's not really doing anything.
You know what I mean?
This is all just fucking magic talk.
There's another variable that nobody mentions.
And I haven't fully researched this because thematically, I just know if we leave things to the free market, we're going to have better competition.
And if we come to the point where the technology is good enough, right, then we'll make the natural transition.
And if we continue to consume electricity, guess what?
The scarcity of it, the scarcity of oil will actually force us to make this transition.
So we just don't need government's involvement.
And I'm more afraid of government's involvement.
But the whole storyline about that, this is better for the environment.
I question that being true as combustible engines have been around for a really long time.
If we continue to use them, I mean, we might get to a point where we could get 100 miles to the gallon.
Whereas as we move over to these electric vehicles, what's the shelf life of them?
Your cars are lasting 15, 20 years.
Your electric cars at best are 10 years.
So what's the recycling cost on that?
And you also have additional coal being processed in order in China in order to create like these solar panels.
So I'm just saying like, and then you have the investment now that you have to convert the energy infrastructure and throw out other shit to make the transition.
I'm just venturing to guess if you actually did the math on this, it's not better for the environment.
Well, that's the other thing is that it's not like when you're talking about these electric cars, like, okay, they don't use gasoline, but then they're plugging into the power grid, which is often like coal and other natural gas and shit like that.
So it's, it's, it's like, yeah, you're not getting away from this.
It's still right.
It's still, and it doesn't seem like, and again, I'll be the first to admit this is like above my pay grade and that I'm not enough of an expert in this to know the answer, but it's, but no one seems to be really like laying out the fucking math on this and explaining why this is actually better.
That it just sounds nicer to say green energy.
So, okay.
And that, and it's funny because as Thomas Massey started this by saying he's like a believer in all this shit, like he has solar panels on his house and he drives an electric car and this shit.
He's like, oh, no, I think this technology has real potential.
But the idea of saying we have to completely switch to it immediately is just bonkers.
It's not, it's not dealing in reality.
He's like a freak MIT genius.
I saw a post, like he built his own like grid on, like he's got the solar panels and something set up in his basement.
Yes.
Yeah.
He's he like built his own house entirely.
He's a real interesting guy.
But, you know, like all, and the thing about it is, is that in reality, what would happen?
I said this back in the day when we were talking about when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez first proposed the Green New Deal.
And remember, she had the real fucking like crazy plan.
It was like everything.
It was like.
Take down the buildings and no more flights.
Yeah, she wanted to tear down.
This is not an exaggeration.
She wanted to tear down like tens of millions of buildings and rebuild them to be, you know, like more energy efficient and get us completely off of fossil fuels and all of this.
And I remember saying at the time, like, there's no, if you were to actually implement this plan, it's not even a question of like, would this plan happen?
It's just implementing it is a revolutionary war.
Like, that's what the implementation would look like.
Because if you ever actually started taking the steps to do any of this, what it would mean is like, you know, let's say, I mean, I think that the average salary in America, the average or the median household income is something like in the 60s, 60 something thousand dollars a year.
You know, let's take that from $60,000 a year to like $2,000 a year.
Like that type of reduction in wealth, like that much people being plunged into poverty.
How do you think a plan that did that would go over?
It'd be fucking chaos.
Like there'd be fucking...
How much labor goes into what you're going to take on the Empire State Building and then put up a new building?
How can that possibly energy efficient?
What happens to recycling?
Why don't we recycle the current buildings and just leave them be?
Yeah, it's it's the whole thing is insane.
But what you're talking about, if we were to try to do this, right?
Like you can already see, and if you think this through, it's like, oh, no, what you were talking about would be like massive like blackouts, like no electricity for tens of millions of Americans.
It wouldn't be everyone living the way we live today, but with electric cars.
It would be us living without electricity.
Do you think that would be lead to a more stable society?
Or like, do you think you'd be seeing mass riots and political upheaval?
You know, you take a guess.
All right, let's play the rest of this of this clip.
Do you think it would strain the grid if everybody plugged in 25 refrigerators in every household?
Well, if we didn't make any upgrades to the grid, sure.
I mean, if we had yesterday's grid with tomorrow's cars, it's not going to work.
It's one of the reasons why we believe that infrastructure includes electrical infrastructure and argued for the...
So just pause it right here.
So let me just be real clear on this because that's his, his answer is, oh, yeah, if we had yesterday's grid with tomorrow's cars, it wouldn't work good.
And I guess that sounds kind of nice.
But just a quick correction, it's not yesterday's grid.
It's today's grid, right?
Just to be clear about this.
We're not saying the grid from the pet.
We're saying what we have right now.
And he admits, yes.
Oh, yeah, no, there's no way that could work.
But with tomorrow's grid, it could work.
It's like, okay, all right.
So you've got a plan then, you know, the implication here, you've got a plan where everyone could run 25 refrigerators in their house and it wouldn't be a problem.
Oh, okay.
So let's go back to Pete Butigic, because that's got to be quite a plan, right?
Holy shit.
What do you have that could do that?
Okay, let's hear.
We believe that infrastructure includes electrical infrastructure and argued for that to be included as it thankfully was in the bipartisan law.
Do you think by 2030, which is when Biden says 50% of cars sold should be electric, do you think the grid will be capable of handling electric cars?
It's going to need to be.
And we're working with the Department of Energy every day.
We've established a joint office of energy and transportation to map out some of the needs.
Obviously, some of this gets outside of my lane.
And we've been discussing, for example, the truck stops that are looking at what their power is.
Okay, let's stop for a second change.
Let me just explain to you what this is on the level of.
This is like, let's say we were talking about something, something I care about.
Okay, so let's say we were talking about war.
And I went, well, look, I think nuclear war is okay because I want to develop a nuclear weapon by 2030 that only kills the bad guys.
So like you drop it on a city, but it doesn't hurt any innocent civilians.
It only hurts like the billionaire class who's funding their war machine and their political leaders and all the bad guys who we want to get, you know, it just kills them and doesn't kill anybody else.
And you were like, wait, but Dave, I mean, is that possible with nuclear weapons?
Because they kill a whole bunch of innocent people when you drop it.
And I go, oh, yeah, well, not with yesterday's nuclear weapons, but with tomorrow's nuclear weapons.
I think we can do that.
It could, if you believe.
Yeah.
And you go, but so do you think by 2030, you're going to have a nuclear weapon to do this?
And I go, well, we'll have to.
We'll have to.
And we've started a task force in Congress and we're communicating with the Defense Department and we're working on new legislation and we're doing it.
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It's like, then you have nothing.
You have absolutely nothing.
If that's your answer, then you have, you have less than nothing.
This is just fucking absurd.
This is like children talking to each other.
Okay.
So then like theoretically, Rob, if you were going, oh, no, we have this revolutionary, revolutionary new way to do power grids where you can create this much energy, then okay, let's hear the plan and let's hear experts talk about whether or not this could actually work.
And if so, then okay.
But if you don't have that and your response as Pete Buttigedges is, well, it'll need to be like, what?
What the fuck does that mean?
Look, man, societies, modern economies need energy.
It's actually the most important thing.
There's nothing more important that we need in a modern economy than energy.
And right now we have energy.
It's something we all take for granted.
Like we have electricity.
We have gasoline.
We have, you know, we live in an economy because of that.
Now, if you want to come up with something else that's superior, go for it.
But until you do, you've got nothing.
There's no conversation to be had.
The only conversation is, do you believe that billions of people should starve to death because you think there's dangers associated with fossil fuels?
Because that's literally the only conversation to have right now.
And I think the dangers of billions of people starving to death is worse than your theoretical dangers of the sea levels rising or whatever bullshit.
Okay.
But that's the only conversation right now.
All this, this is nothing.
Here, continue, but it's just more nothing.
Today, they're mainly filling up on gas in order to accommodate that.
And then as you mentioned, a lot of the scenario for this is also residential.
But it's also worth pointing out that while a typical driver who dots electric is using more electricity, at the end of the day, they're using less energy because of the efficiency benefits of getting that energy produced at utilities.
The problem is that we don't have the capacity to produce that energy.
You have to use the word.
It's so funny.
It's like this, it's so ridiculous.
You go, well, if you look at the amount of total energy that they're using, they're actually using more energy at the gas station than they would be if they did it from the utility companies.
It's like, yeah, but we don't have the energy at the utility companies.
We have it with the gasoline.
This is like, this is such fucking childish, idiotic shit.
It's like, it's, I don't know.
Thomas Massey does such a great job here for anyone paying attention because it's just like, yeah, can you have everyone running 25 refrigerators in their house?
I suppose 50 if they have two cars, right?
Right.
So like, what is, I mean, like, what are we talking about here?
It's tinkerbill politics.
You can, if you believe.
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Yeah, that's it.
That's it.
We actually, but we like that better than the gasoline.
Okay.
Great.
But we know this is literally on the level of like, if there just wasn't like, let's just to reverse it, like if I was just an advocate of gasoline, I'm an advocate of oil or something like that.
And they go, oh, like, let's say theoretically, all those predictions from the past about peak oil and shit were right.
And we are just out of oil.
Like they were right when they said that in the 90s and shit.
And we're out of oil now.
And they go, we only, you know, we only have a few barrels of oil left.
And I'm like, well, I'd prefer people use gasoline.
And you're like, Well, do you have another way of getting oil?
I'd be like, no, no, but we'll need to because I believe people should use gasoline.
Okay, you want to like give me those plans?
Because, well, it's a little above my pay grade, but we're forming a department.
Like, what it's so goofy.
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Ms. We don't have the capacity to produce that energy.
You aptly used the word need.
You could say want as well.
There's needs and wants to make this fantasy work by 2030, but the reality is the capability is not going to be there.
The average household uses 17% of their electricity for air conditioning.
And that would mean the average household uses 1,870 kilowatt hours per year for air conditioning.
If that average household plugged in electric cars, do you know how much more electricity they would use in comparison to the air conditioning that air conditions their whole house?
No, but again, I would emphasize it.
Let me help you with that first before we go on because the numbers are important.
It would take four times as much electricity to charge the average household's cars as the average household uses on air conditioning.
Do you think that could be so?
If we reach the goal by 2030 that Biden has of 50% adoption instead of 100% adoption, that means the average household would use twice as much electricity charging one of their cars as they would use for all of the air conditioning that they use for the entire year.
Do you think this could contribute to rolling blackouts and brownouts in areas of the country where air conditioning is basically considered essential?
Not if we prepare.
Look, the fact that people who have electric vehicles are going to use more electricity can't be a reason to give up.
The idea that America is inferior to the other countries that have figured this out just doesn't sit well with us in administration.
And that's why we're investing better grid.
In the time that I have left, let me say, I'm not saying we shouldn't prepare.
I told you at the beginning of this, I'm bullish on this technology, but the numbers and the rate of adoption has been developed using political science, not engineering.
They're impractical.
And if we blindly follow these goals that Biden has set out, it will cause pain and suffering for the middle class.
And I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Thank the gentleman, Representative.
So I thought that was a masterful performance by Thomas Massey, a great congressman, former guest on the show.
I would, the only thing I would take issue with is at the end where he says these plans are kind of predicated on political science, not engineering.
And I think that is an insult to political science.
There's nothing scientific about this.
Even poli sci, as goofy as that tends to be.
This is religious.
This is literally religious.
And just believing that we believe in the God of government can do what we want it to do.
And we believe that fossil fuels are bad and carbon emissions are bad.
And we believe that green energy is good.
And that's that.
And so everything flows from that.
It is like talking to like a funhouse cartoonish version of like a Christian that an atheist progressive would tell you about.
Like if they were trying to argue to them about Jesus and they were like, well, but how could he do this?
It's like, because he's Jesus.
He can do this.
But how could he walk on water?
How could he turn water into wine?
He goes, because he can, because he needs to, because he gets like, those are the answers.
Well, we'll have to figure that out.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, you got, you got till 2030 to figure out how we have a magical new energy grid that can support things that there's no chance it could support right now.
So, you know, forgetting all the kind of like theoretical, like, where do you feel, you know, the conversation so much on climate change is presented in this way, where it's like, well, do you believe in climate change?
What are you one of those deniers?
Whereas like, even forget any of that shit, because that's all stupid.
It's like, no, just get into this.
This is really where the heart of the issue is.
It's like, what are you proposing?
And this is, and here with Pete Buttigieg, just completely exposed.
He's got nothing.
You've got absolutely nothing.
I'd like to know what these other countries are.
Oh, if you actually look into them, it's been a disaster everywhere this stuff's been implemented.
I mean, Germany's freaking out because they got a heat wave coming and they're not sure how they're going to keep people from freezing all winter.
I don't know.
I'm just saying specifically, which country has adopted greater usage of electric vehicles that's not nuclear reliant and it's working out for them.
Almost every country, and there's a lot of them, but almost all of these countries that have cut back on fossil fuels and carbon emissions and have done all of this stuff, their energy costs have skyrocketed.
They've had major problems getting enough energy for their country.
I mean, it's like this idea that other people have just figured this out is bullshit.
You know what else doesn't get priced into all this?
Or at least I haven't seen it in the math.
But, all right, so if you're telling me a current owner of an electric car pays like less, you know, over the lifetime of that car with the energy consumption, how does the credit that government gives to the person that made the car to make it cheaper for him to purchase pricing?
I mean, for all I know, you could just be giving a $5,000 to 10 or whatever the credit is to individuals to go purchase gasoline.
And my God, I can get to work every day for free.
Right, right.
And of course, this is the, you know, there's the only way, as you kind of like indicated at the beginning of this, that you just kind of like, you know, and you know in an a priori sense.
And I think sometimes people Give you shit for thinking in an a priori way, which is not the same as thinking religiously.
That's actually the essence of thinking logically.
Like, but that you just go logically, you know that, like, the best way to do this is to leave it to the free market.
And that obviously, if somebody does, and this is what Pete Buttigieg says is so disingenuous at the end, and correctly, Massey calls him out by going, Don't, dude, I told you at the beginning, I'm all about this, these new energies.
I'm very bullish on them.
I'm not saying, oh, just give up.
I'm saying, no, okay, nobody is telling, like, it's almost like he presents it like, you know, oh, so if there's some like brilliant scientist who's really working hard on finding some new form of energy, that me or you would be telling them, just give up, it can't be done.
But that's not what we're saying at all.
We're like, hey, this is awesome.
Keep doing it.
I really hope you succeed.
But what we're rejecting is the state forcing this on everybody at a time when we're not prepared for it and just creating a disaster.
Huh?
How's the track record on funding these things?
Well, that's like, let's start tracking it right now.
Every single green energy thing that you pour money into is a government investment.
Let's see how many of them have a return for the American people are viable companies in 10 years.
Yeah.
Well, this is the thing.
And people should fucking, if you have a lot of time and you're into reading like fucking Den's fucking shit, go read human action because it's so goddamn great.
And if you don't, just read Bob Murphy's like study guide to it, which is like easy.
Bob Murphy's choice is the name of his book, which is just like easier to digest, like taking the lessons of human action.
But again, to my point about thinking about things in an a priori sense, so this means not measuring them just empirically, you know, like, oh, okay, well, this has happened before and this is how it worked out, but just kind of knowing things from a logical starting point.
For like an example of that would be like to say that, like, if I were to make a statement, I was a good example of an a priori statement.
Okay, if I were to say, um, one object cannot be in two different places at the same time, okay?
That's an a priori statement.
It's something that you know is a true statement because you think about it logically.
It's impossible for one object to be in two different places at the same time.
Um, now that there's no need to go out and test that hypothesis to say, is that true?
Well, let's go out and test whether we can put different objects in two places at the same time and then come back after months of testing and go, well, we weren't able to do it yet.
So it looks unlikely, but like this is something that you just know logically.
It can't be done.
And if it could, then reality isn't reality anymore and we're in some different freaking universe, right?
In the same sense, like, and Mises kind of goes through a priori logic to get to the point of how important like prices are.
And you need real prices free of government intervention if you're going to solve problems like this.
And so if you have, as you were talking about before, like governments subsidizing all these different forms of energy to try to make them cheaper so that more people buy it.
It's like, just think of my example before of government legislating that computers have to be sold for a dollar.
It's this is all artificial.
What you need in real prices is to actually convey the information of what this really costs.
And then you can figure out like, oh, okay, because this is how much it actually costs to produce this stuff.
This is how much it's, you know, like this is good information that you need.
And the only way to actually do this, if you are concerned, which by the way, I reject the whole thing anyway, but if you did believe that it's really important that we get away from certain types of energy and go to other certain types of energy, well, what you'd need is somebody to come up with that other type of energy for a more affordable price.
And if they did, there'd be no argument in the same sense that like government laws banning it.
Right, right.
Like there's, but like nobody ever needed like some like you didn't need government intervention to get people to use superior forms of anything.
You know what I mean?
Like, especially think about it right now with fucking gas prices.
If someone came out with something that was way better and cheaper, people would be flocking to it.
So it's, that's really the answer.
It's not, this isn't even like a political debate.
It's a technological debate.
It's like, oh, okay, you don't have the technology yet and you want it, but you don't have it.
Okay, too bad.
And if you had it and it was good and it worked, that'd be fine.
No one had to like force electricity down people's throats.
It was like, it was there and it was better.
It was better to have it than not to have it.
Way more people preferred it.
So they got it.
That's it.
And they'll be happy to pay for it too.
And if it's, if it's, if we don't have the ability to provide it to that many people, then it'll be very expensive.
And then people will make their decisions.
Yeah, we don't really think it's worth it to get that.
That's it.
That's the way this stuff works.
So the whole climate change debate is goofy.
And it's presented on the face of it like, oh, do you believe in science?
Or are you one of these like Neanderthals who doesn't even understand?
Oh, what are you a climate scientist?
Do you really understand what they do?
From a bunch of people who have never read anything from climate scientists, who don't know fucking anything about this shit.
But really, none of that has anything to do with any of it.
This exchange with Massey and Pete Buttigieg, this is the center of the whole thing right now.
What you guys are proposing to do here is insane.
It's not just that you're being a child pretending that you have something when you have absolutely nothing.
It's that actually what you have, if we were to do what you're saying you want to do, you would destroy billions of people's lives if done globally.
In this country, you would destroy hundreds of millions of people's lives.
And, you know, after watching the last two and a half years where they did destroy tens of millions of people's lives, that's a little bit more concerning.
You know, it's like, oh, maybe, maybe it's not just as much as like, oh, you guys are idiot children.
And it is like, oh, wow, are there some people around you who aren't idiot children who are actually trying to ruin these people's lives or at least willing to do it?
This is an important thing.
And I think in many ways, as I've said over the last couple of years, I mean, like I said, me and you were saying this back in March of 2020.
I think it's quite possible that as the COVID shit kind of, as that battle has been lost, as that narrative has collapsed, a lot of that stuff might is going to funnel into this climate change stuff.
And with all the precedents that have been set from COVID and the kind of religious zealotry of the people who believe in this climate shit, this is a real dangerous thing to watch because you do not want to get as far into this as we got into COVID before people start waking up and realizing that the follow the science crowd is actually not operating in a scientific manner at all, but they're actually just like religious fanatics.
So, all right.
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Well, I plan on talking about a few other things on this podcast too, but you know what?
Maybe we'll wrap it up there.
And then tomorrow we'll talk about all that other stuff.
How does that sound?
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A whole bunch of different stuff, of course, legion of skanks and you know uh uh, Yo Mma rap my MMA show with Louis J Gome as his other podcast.
Uh uh, real ass podcast.
All of them there come.
I believe they are raising the prices for subscriptions uh, coming up, but if you go get them now, you'll get grandfathered in.
So go over to Gasdigitalnetwork.com and use the promo code potp.
Uh, with that subscription you get all of the shows ad-free.
You get our entire catalog, our entire library on demand.
So you can go back years ago and you know if you're interested in what we were talking about at any different time throughout the years.
You can go see all that stuff, kind of see the philosophy of this show evolve and uh, stuff like that, and also just to support us if you'd like to do that.
On that note, years ago, if you go down the part of the problem archive, I actually think people who are newer to the show would really enjoy some of that archive because everything's very well labeled and it was more uh, pre-coveted and Donald Trump that we turned to current events.
It used to be a lot more uh, philosophical discussions.
So the current format of the show if you were to look back a month ago, unless you were specifically interested in the topic, it might be a little bit more based in the news cycle.
If you go down the archive to four five six, seven years ago, everything's specifically labeled, there's interviews, there's a lot of gems in there that you wouldn't otherwise be aware of.
Yeah no, I mean that really was kind of the evolution of the show.
Like I started the show to talk about kind of like libertarianism and you know, Like, how I like the philosophy of the whole thing.
And then it kind of morphed into a current event show over the years where it was like, it was just talking about like what the regime is doing now and now and now.
And that kind of became.
So, yeah, there is, of course, there's always still a little bit of a mix, and it's through the lens of like, you know, theory into how that applies to reality.
But yeah, that is true.
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