Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Live From Reno
Aired: 2022-05-29
Duration: 01:16:43


=== Reshaping The Libertarian Party (10:34) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
[00:00:02]  You're listening to the Gas Digital Network.
[00:00:08]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:10]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:12]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:16]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:22]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:34]  It is my pleasure to introduce for all of you the next president of the United States of America.
[00:00:43]  Let's hear for Dave Smith!
[00:00:59]  Man.
[00:01:02]  That's the fucking revolution energy right there.
[00:01:10]  All right.
[00:01:12]  Let's have a seat.
[00:01:14]  Yeah, this is.
[00:01:18]  Thank you, sir.
[00:01:19]  These couches really make this feel like fucking therapy.
[00:01:22]  All right.
[00:01:24]  Rob, I'm nervous.
[00:01:27]  You guys fucking excited for tomorrow or what?
[00:01:34]  I feel like I'm taking a dump at this angle.
[00:01:36]  This was...
[00:01:37]  I really should have tried out these chairs before we came out here.
[00:01:42]  All right, so we got a live part of the problem here.
[00:01:46]  How many of you guys listen to part of the problem?
[00:01:48]  Have you heard of it?
[00:01:52]  It's a white supremacist podcast.
[00:01:57]  We never quite admit it, but I feel like when is a better time to come out of the closet?
[00:02:03]  Now, a lot of white supremacists are turned off by the fact that we're both Jews.
[00:02:08]  And I get that.
[00:02:11]  It's a lot for you to deal with.
[00:02:12]  But you've got to, it's the 21st century, white supremacists, so it's time to fucking diversify a little bit.
[00:02:20]  So man, goddamn, I'll say this.
[00:02:22]  We are obviously for the people listening to the show, because this is going to go out as a regular episode.
[00:02:29]  We are here in Reno, Nevada.
[00:02:31]  It is the night before the National Libertarian Party Convention.
[00:02:40]  This has basically been, this is the culmination of the first chapter of the project.
[00:02:52]  Well, I mean, when you put it like that, sure, but the culmination of the first chapter of the project that the Mises caucus has been embarking on, which is to really reshape the Libertarian Party and make it something that we can all be proud of.
[00:03:13]  And I'll tell you already just from being here and going over to the event and getting credentialized and stuff, because I'm going to be a delegate as well tomorrow.
[00:03:26]  Not sure who I'm going to vote for yet, but I'm weighing out all of the options.
[00:03:31]  I like this Angela lady.
[00:03:33]  She has some good things to say.
[00:03:37]  Maybe, well, do I?
[00:03:42]  I mean, well, she.
[00:03:47]  I mean, it's really, it's a very broad term these days, so perhaps.
[00:03:52]  But Just from going over there and already kind of like feeling the temperature, it's, as everyone here can tell, the energy is just fucking incredible on our side already.
[00:04:04]  So I will say this, no matter what happens this weekend, I'm like so fucking grateful and proud of all of you guys for coming out and bringing all this energy.
[00:04:15]  So thank you so much for all of you.
[00:04:19]  I know it wasn't easy.
[00:04:22]  It's not easy to get to Reno.
[00:04:24]  Do they make Reno intentionally difficult to get to?
[00:04:28]  Like, is that a thing?
[00:04:30]  Like, I'm literally like, I want to fly in from New York to Reno, Nevada.
[00:04:35]  You know, it's like New York, this small little town.
[00:04:39]  They've got a few airplanes running out of there.
[00:04:42]  And I go, can I fly to Reno?
[00:04:44]  And they're like, you have to have a layover in Paris before.
[00:04:49]  And you're like, is there any other option?
[00:04:51]  And they're like, no, there's not.
[00:04:53]  That's your option.
[00:04:54]  So, anyway.
[00:04:56]  Who's responsible for bringing us to Reno?
[00:04:58]  Whose decision was that?
[00:05:00]  I don't know.
[00:05:01]  I mean, I can't.
[00:05:01]  That guy sucks.
[00:05:02]  Let's get rid of him.
[00:05:05]  Oh, see, I took that question in such a different way.
[00:05:08]  Like, you were asking who decided that the Libertarian Convention should be in Reno.
[00:05:14]  But I was thinking, like, what's responsible for the drive that we all have to Reno.
[00:05:20]  So I was almost going, like, I think it starts with Mises, and then, like, I don't know, Rothbard picked up the torch for a while.
[00:05:28]  Something, something, Hoppa.
[00:05:32]  And then, yeah, maybe a little bit, fucking the great Ron Paul, who will be here tomorrow.
[00:05:41]  Dude, tomorrow night, if you guys don't know, there is a free Mises Caucus event, the Mises Caucus Bash, where we're going to have a lot of great speakers.
[00:05:50]  I will be speaking there, and the great Ron Paul will be closing out the show.
[00:05:57]  It is going to be the greatest celebration of the Liberty Movement, at least since the year 2012, or the most awkward event ever.
[00:06:11]  Maybe, can we get someone to play Rudy Giuliani and do a reenactment?
[00:06:15]  Oh, that'd be so good.
[00:06:16]  Yeah, you know, they do Civil War reenactments?
[00:06:18]  To really do it, you got to have like self-tanner dripping down your face and everything.
[00:06:23]  And be like, I just think you hate America.
[00:06:26]  Are we all going to pretend that he's not a gay dude?
[00:06:28]  Like, are we really, after all these years, we're still going to pretend?
[00:06:32]  All right, so what we're going to do for this podcast is I'm going to bring up a couple people who I think have been instrumental in the Mises Caucus experiment.
[00:06:43]  We're going to talk to them.
[00:06:44]  We're going to also do a question and answer segment, which I always love to do on these live podcasts so you guys can ask questions of any of the people we have up here.
[00:06:52]  So first guest that I want to bring up to the stage is the next chair of the Libertarian National Party.
[00:07:00]  Clap your hands for Angela McCarno, everybody!
[00:07:12]  All right, Rob, I think just take it off is easier to just hold it.
[00:07:21]  All right, so, Angela, this has been a long time coming.
[00:07:25]  Tomorrow and Saturday, and I guess Sunday is the convention.
[00:07:31]  How are you feeling on the eve?
[00:07:36]  Wait, can we get Angela's microphone on, please?
[00:07:43]  I blame the...
[00:07:46]  That didn't happen.
[00:07:49]  That didn't happen.
[00:07:50]  That's a good idea.
[00:07:51]  I appreciate that.
[00:07:52]  Okay, so now back to where we were.
[00:07:54]  How are you feeling?
[00:07:56]  What is best in life?
[00:08:04]  That's the vibe.
[00:08:08]  It's really something, man.
[00:08:10]  And I will tell you that one thing that just really warms my heart is just the amount of energy and enthusiasm that you've inspired.
[00:08:19]  Like how excited everybody is for what you can do with this party.
[00:08:23]  It really is incredible to see, man.
[00:08:25]  This energy is just excellent.
[00:08:30]  What are you, what are you most excited about going forward with the Libertarian Party?
[00:08:35]  First tweet.
[00:08:42]  Lots of good stuff, lots of amazing stuff, lots of professional stuff coming down the pipeline, but I am chomping at the bit.
[00:08:49]  Yeah.
[00:08:50]  To turn the surface, the face of the party around ASAP.
[00:08:54]  Dramatic facelift right away.
[00:08:56]  And more women.
[00:08:59]  Well, it's, you know, it's really something because I think for so many of us, it's like, look, you look around at kind of like the state of the country.
[00:09:12]  And one of the biggest problems in the Libertarian Party that we've had for so long is just that there's like no finger on the pulse of what's actually going on.
[00:09:21]  People are so removed from the country that they claim to want to govern or set free at least.
[00:09:28]  And you look around and you go, okay, so we have a country that is, I don't really think anyone would give me pushback on this.
[00:09:34]  The most far left or far right or anywhere in between would say the country's spinning out of control.
[00:09:41]  The current situation is a disaster for regular people.
[00:09:44]  I'm driving up and down here.
[00:09:45]  I was taking an Uber here from the hotel.
[00:09:49]  Gas prices here in Reno are like $5.60 a gallon.
[00:09:55]  Like, that's a disaster for like regular people.
[00:09:58]  Like, just that.
[00:09:59]  So many things like that, right?
[00:10:03]  Both of the major parties have record low approval ratings.
[00:10:07]  The support of all mainstream institutions has evaporated.
[00:10:11]  And then we happen, libertarians, to be in this situation where there is this third option party, and it bears the name libertarian.
[00:10:19]  And man, if we can't in this moment make that party something that actually represents what we would want it to be, then what are we doing here?
[00:10:28]  You know?
[00:10:29]  And tomorrow is our opportunity to do that.

=== Unifying Moments Ahead (04:24) ===

[00:10:35]  Now, Angela, do you plan on getting in any fist fights tomorrow?
[00:10:43]  Do not.
[00:10:45]  Do not grab this.
[00:10:48]  Have people grabbed your hair at an LP event?
[00:10:50]  Not yet.
[00:10:51]  Oh, no, there was no.
[00:10:53]  Rob, bless his soul, he wastes his time on silly little things like reading David Stockman articles and paying attention to currency manipulation.
[00:11:02]  So you don't know all of the crazy libertarian.
[00:11:04]  So there was a woman who wanted to collect hair from this.
[00:11:12]  I'm not making this up.
[00:11:14]  She wanted to collect hair.
[00:11:16]  Good luck collecting Robbie the Fire Bernstein's hair.
[00:11:21]  Never going to get that.
[00:11:22]  Did she have specific plans for the hair?
[00:11:25]  Oh, yeah, no, voodoo shit.
[00:11:26]  Oh.
[00:11:27]  She wanted to do like some crazy voodoo shit with it.
[00:11:30]  And yeah.
[00:11:32]  So that was her plan.
[00:11:34]  Anyway.
[00:11:34]  But honestly, honestly, you know, I hope that no fist fights break out.
[00:11:40]  But if they did, it would be one of the most unifying moments in the party.
[00:11:50]  To watch 100 Pound Angela knock that bitch out for trying to touch my hair.
[00:11:58]  All right, well, as much as I do want to see that, let me say this to all of you guys, seriously.
[00:12:04]  No fucking physical confrontations of any kind, please.
[00:12:07]  Everything, if people talk shit, fucking defuse it.
[00:12:10]  I mean, listen, if you have to defend yourself, like, you know, then stomp that motherfucker out.
[00:12:14]  But I'm just saying.
[00:12:16]  But no, no fucking problem.
[00:12:17]  They're going to try to do all types of shit because the truth is that we have the fucking numbers right now.
[00:12:22]  So everyone stay focused and stay cool because tomorrow's going to be like an unbelievable day where we officially take this fucking shit over.
[00:12:29]  So let's be excited tonight.
[00:12:32]  All right.
[00:12:34]  Now, of course, I also want to invite up to the stage to join us somebody who obviously couldn't not be here for this conversation.
[00:12:42]  So we'll make this a four-person panel here with, guys, how about the person who created and founded the Mises Caucus?
[00:12:51]  The reason we're all here, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Heist.
[00:13:08]  What up, me Caulks?
[00:13:12]  You ready to take this shit over in the morning?
[00:13:17]  By the way, all of you better not party too hard after this show tonight and not show up tomorrow.
[00:13:24]  If I'm the reason why we fail at this, for having these shows.
[00:13:30]  Yeah.
[00:13:31]  We can party hard.
[00:13:32]  Blow and stay up all night.
[00:13:37]  I have resolved to not be drunk in front of Ron Paul.
[00:13:40]  I just don't think it's fitting.
[00:13:42]  Yeah, no, that's true.
[00:13:44]  I think Ron Paul would like me drunk, so I'm going to go with the hammer thing.
[00:13:50]  I don't care how you show up.
[00:13:52]  Just show up.
[00:13:54]  If I have to hold your hair while you're throwing up and you're voting, I will do it.
[00:14:01]  Yeah.
[00:14:02]  When you see three Bill Welds vote no, okay?
[00:14:08]  Just focus on the Bill Weld in the middle.
[00:14:11]  It's going to be weekend at Bernie's and we're just wheeling in delegates.
[00:14:16]  No, he's fine.
[00:14:18]  Yeah, you wanted to vote that way.
[00:14:22]  All right, well, Michael, let me ask you, man, because this is, it's five years ago that you started the Mises Caucus, but it really was kind of a thing that, look, you kind of started it, right?
[00:14:37]  You started in 2017.
[00:14:39]  It wasn't until kind of you did it for a little while in 2018 that Tom Woods joined and then I joined.
[00:14:47]  It wasn't until 2019 that Scott Horton joined.
[00:14:51]  And I think it wasn't really until 2020 when we really kind of all decided like that we're going all in on this plan.
[00:14:58]  But you've been at this for a while.

=== Pushing Through To 2020 (16:14) ===

[00:15:00]  This was your brain child.
[00:15:02]  So fuck, man.
[00:15:03]  Like, how does it feel to have like all this fucking energy and to be poised right now to really complete the first major part of this mission?
[00:15:13]  I try not to think about it.
[00:15:16]  And I'm not going to lie, when you first came on part of the problem, I was like, that's not going to work.
[00:15:22]  I had a pretty darly beard at that time.
[00:15:24]  Dude, you want to talk about...
[00:15:27]  You want to talk about an intense weirdo.
[00:15:29]  Like, it was like a kid who spent too much time watching wrestling in a basement.
[00:15:36]  I tell you something, when Rob Bernstein thinks you're too much of a weirdo to be taken seriously.
[00:15:42]  Well, that's what I was concerned about.
[00:15:43]  I thought he was going to dismantle me as King Weirdo.
[00:15:46]  I don't even have AIDS.
[00:15:49]  We will change that tonight.
[00:15:56]  The king shares his aides.
[00:15:58]  And if you're going to start a political revolution around freedom, you're going to need good underwear.
[00:16:03]  What kind of underwear?
[00:16:04]  Sheath underwear.
[00:16:05]  This is Robbie the Fire here coming at you live from Childerberg.
[00:16:07]  And let me tell you, if I didn't have Sheath Underwear with me, I would have had to leave my nuts at home.
[00:16:11]  Oh my God, this is some sweltering heat.
[00:16:13]  I'm dripping all over the place.
[00:16:14]  But just my upper body, lower body, totally cool, common collected.
[00:16:18]  You know why?
[00:16:18]  So I'm wearing sheath underwear.
[00:16:20]  You go on to that sheathunderwear.com.
[00:16:22]  You got to get yourself some summer undies with cooling technology.
[00:16:25]  They got bamboo.
[00:16:26]  They've got mesh.
[00:16:27]  They got things so comfortable.
[00:16:28]  It would be like Ned Flanders.
[00:16:29]  You're standing around.
[00:16:30]  You're going, feels like I'm wearing nothing at all.
[00:16:33]  Nothing at all.
[00:16:34]  So I'm out here and everyone else, they look filthy dirty.
[00:16:37]  They should have been wearing their Childerberg.
[00:16:38]  I can smell nut sweat even though we're outdoors.
[00:16:41]  These chilly people, they're gross.
[00:16:42]  I'm just, it's nothing but nut stink, but not me.
[00:16:45]  I'm fantastic.
[00:16:46]  I couldn't be more gracious.
[00:16:49]  I couldn't have better scents radiating from my nuts.
[00:16:52]  You know why?
[00:16:52]  Because I went to sheethunderwear.com.
[00:16:54]  So you go to sheathunderwear.com, use promo code problem20.
[00:16:57]  You're going to get 20% off.
[00:16:59]  And then you can have nuts that feel as great as mine.
[00:17:02]  So if you want to know how Robbie the Fire has nuts that feel this good, it's you go to sheethunderwear.com, use promo code problem20, you get 20% off, and then you've got nuts that are fresh all summer.
[00:17:13]  Well, one of the things that you've said recently, Michael, which I've thought about a lot, and I think I had maybe, I think I had had this idea in my head, but I heard you say it, and it really kind of clicked for me, was when you were kind of talking about that, look, if we're going to do anything here for people who do believe in human liberty, if we want, no matter what the strategy would be, if it were to be to infiltrate the Republican Party, or I don't know,
[00:17:42]  I guess even the Democratic Party, or, you know, or it were to be the Free State Project, or it were to be, you know, starting a homeschool, whatever it might be, you kind of made the point that it's like, look, for this to be successful, we're going to have to have like enthusiasm and community and a bunch of us together.
[00:17:59]  Like that, that's the only way this is going to really work to be something.
[00:18:03]  And so that to me is kind of like my thing that even coming to this event so far that I'm blown away by it's like wow dude, like we've really we, we've got something going here with a lot of momentum to it, I haven't really seen anything.
[00:18:18]  I mean, I think, about the Ron Paul presidential campaigns.
[00:18:23]  Obviously Tom Woods will have events where there's, like you know, like thousands of people in crazy enthusiasm.
[00:18:30]  Besides that, I guess Young Americans FOR Liberty maybe has had a few, but there's really not much.
[00:18:35]  In the past.
[00:18:36]  Yeah, Young Americans FOR Liberty somehow became a Liz Cheney organization recently, but anyway, I don't know anything else.
[00:18:46]  You want to say like, how does it feel to like, kind of like see all this coming together?
[00:18:50]  The main thing that I've always wanted from day one is to get the Ron Paul days back.
[00:18:59]  And and my observation because, because if those of you who are involved you know like when, when you when, when the Ron Paul thing was going on, you would meet a new Ron Paul supporter and it was like you met a new best friend and and there was like an instant connection and there was this, this energy and this electricity and this culture and and it died with the campaign.
[00:19:20]  So I, what I've always wanted, is to try to recreate that, but in a manner where it doesn't die with the end of a campaign.
[00:19:28]  It's something that can continue on infinitely as long as we keep fighting for it, and I think that's the framework that we have in front of us.
[00:19:40]  So, you know, I still give all the credit to Ron, because he's the one who inspired this whole thing.
[00:19:45]  None of it would exist without him.
[00:19:47]  But that's what it's all about is it's not the politics of it.
[00:19:51]  It's not necessarily even the ideas.
[00:19:54]  I think that's secondary to the community and the culture.
[00:19:57]  And we have, I mean, how do you guys feel?
[00:19:58]  How do you feel about this community?
[00:20:00]  How do you feel about this energy?
[00:20:03]  I think we've got it.
[00:20:05]  Yeah, I think that's right.
[00:20:07]  So, Angela, how did...
[00:20:08]  What was, when did you first join up with the Mises Caucus guys?
[00:20:12]  Because you were in the Libertarian Party before the Mises Caucus, right?
[00:20:15]  I ran for Congress in 2017 and was incredibly underwhelmed by the support I got from the party, including the National Party.
[00:20:24]  And I was running in a special election.
[00:20:26]  I was the only person running for office at the time.
[00:20:27]  It was just totally whiffed the ball.
[00:20:31]  And so I believe I joined in October of 2017, basically just as soon as I found out about it.
[00:20:37]  Right.
[00:20:38]  Well, there you go.
[00:20:39]  All right.
[00:20:39]  Beautiful.
[00:20:40]  I guess it took.
[00:20:43]  It took me like almost like a little while.
[00:20:47]  And I will, you know, I loved you when I heard you on Tom Woods podcast, Michael.
[00:20:51]  And then I had you on my podcast.
[00:20:53]  This was in 2017.
[00:20:54]  And I was like, I really love what this guy's doing.
[00:20:56]  But almost kind of like what you were saying, Rob was on a way.
[00:20:58]  I was like, he was fucking weird.
[00:21:00]  I love what this guy wants to do.
[00:21:02]  That's a neat idea.
[00:21:03]  And then just kind of like went back to what I was doing.
[00:21:06]  But I think it was really, what really, it was that event that I had to miss.
[00:21:11]  I think I got sick, and I was supposed to go, but wasn't able to go to it.
[00:21:15]  That the event was, do you remember where this event even was?
[00:21:18]  It was like one of the first Mises Caucus events that you guys had, maybe in 2018, I want to say.
[00:21:24]  New Orleans?
[00:21:25]  Yes, I believe it was the New Orleans event, right?
[00:21:27]  And you had Scott Horton speak there and Tom Woods spoke there.
[00:21:30]  Jeff Dice?
[00:21:31]  Jeff Dice spoke there.
[00:21:33]  And that was really like a big thing for me where I was like, oh, okay.
[00:21:36]  Now this guy who was like, hey, I want to recreate the Ron Paul like thing.
[00:21:42]  Oh, he's actually putting on events and he's actually getting all the people who were involved in this thing to get together with it.
[00:21:48]  And I was like, okay, yeah, I think there's actually something here.
[00:21:51]  And then just seeing the Libertarian Party, seeing what an opportunity they had and blowing it at every stage.
[00:21:59]  And then I'm sitting here and I'm complaining about it.
[00:22:02]  That's kind of what I'm doing.
[00:22:03]  I'm like on my podcast and I'm saying, you know, okay, they're doing this, but they should be doing this.
[00:22:09]  And every time I said that, I was right.
[00:22:14]  So I'm just sitting here being right about everything.
[00:22:17]  And it's fun.
[00:22:19]  But then after a while, I'm kind of like, okay, well, like, I'm sitting here telling them this is what they should be doing.
[00:22:25]  And you're like going like, well, let's do something about it.
[00:22:28]  And I was like, that sounds like work.
[00:22:32]  And then eventually you were like, all right, I guess I'm being an asshole here.
[00:22:35]  I should jump on board with this.
[00:22:37]  And also after 2020, I thought that was a big turning point where in 2020, because kind of like 2017, you start the caucus.
[00:22:48]  2018, you go into the convention.
[00:22:51]  You had none of the support from any of us.
[00:22:53]  It was really just the thing you had created, right?
[00:22:54]  Like it was like you and like, as Angela was on board, Josh Smith was on board, but you didn't have Tom Woods, you didn't have me throwing their support behind it.
[00:23:02]  And you went in there and you got like a, what, like a quarter of the vote?
[00:23:06]  We went from zero to, I think it was 23% in like seven months, and I can't even remember how we did it.
[00:23:12]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  And so now, so that's kind of like on your own.
[00:23:18]  Now then two years later in 2020, we had our presidential candidate who we all supported.
[00:23:25]  Now Tom got on board, I got on board, Scott got on board, and we all got behind Jacob Hornberger, who was the frontrunner.
[00:23:31]  He was winning and just barely, barely didn't become the nominee.
[00:23:36]  And Jorgensen ended up kind of like in a really kind of, hey, she's a very nice, honest lady.
[00:23:45]  Always tells people that.
[00:23:46]  Put the nation to sleep.
[00:23:48]  Always, always tells you things exactly as they were reported to her.
[00:23:54]  Because government is too nosy and too bossy.
[00:23:57]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:24:00]  But so you had this, and I thought that was a really interesting turning point because we were all behind this guy being the nominee.
[00:24:07]  He just barely lost, like was in first place lost by a strange series of events that ended up going to Jorgensen.
[00:24:14]  And a lot of people said that we would give up at that point.
[00:24:18]  That like if we didn't get who we wanted at that point, we were going to pack it in and go home.
[00:24:22]  And instead, almost everyone I know who is a part of this caucus said, now we're doubling down our efforts.
[00:24:29]  And it just kind of like built and got stronger and stronger.
[00:24:32]  And that's one of the things that I think is really cool about this group of people.
[00:24:35]  That we're very much, you know, like I've seen a lot of our critics in this party be like, if they just don't get this, they're going to quit.
[00:24:42]  If they just don't get this, they're all going to go home.
[00:24:45]  And it's like they really just don't understand us.
[00:24:48]  Like, we're never going anywhere.
[00:24:50]  This is our fucking life mission.
[00:24:52]  Like, we're going to keep doing this.
[00:24:56]  And to watch where it's come in the last two years has been really, really incredible.
[00:25:03]  I mean, I've told this story before, but the point where I really realized this is going into the 2020 convention in Orlando, I frankly didn't expect much good to happen.
[00:25:16]  I kind of knew going in that I didn't think we had it in all this stuff.
[00:25:19]  And I was really, really scared.
[00:25:21]  And I was really concerned about like holding everything together.
[00:25:24]  How are we going to keep people's motivation up in all of this?
[00:25:27]  And then there was basically two days of wasted time.
[00:25:29]  Don't let them waste time tomorrow.
[00:25:31]  But there was basically two days straight of wasted time.
[00:25:34]  And the only piece of business that got done that Saturday was the chairs race.
[00:25:38]  And Josh unfortunately didn't win.
[00:25:41]  Which did not bode well for anything else to come after that.
[00:25:44]  So I was really nervous.
[00:25:46]  I'm like, man, everyone's going to be like, I knew what the LP is a joke.
[00:25:50]  Fuck politics.
[00:25:51]  You know, like all this stuff.
[00:25:52]  And instead, what happened is we had rented Airbnbs for some of our delegates.
[00:25:57]  And one of those Airbnbs threw a fucking rager.
[00:26:00]  And I showed up to that rager thinking, man, I'm going to have to do something.
[00:26:09]  Yeah, I'm going to have to blow some people or something to keep them motivated.
[00:26:12]  And none of the things that I was afraid of actually existed.
[00:26:19]  Everybody was just happy to be there, happy to be around each other.
[00:26:23]  You only had to blow them for fun.
[00:26:25]  Yeah.
[00:26:28]  Exactly.
[00:26:30]  But everyone had a great time and they were just happy to be around each other.
[00:26:33]  And that's when I realized that it's actually the community element that is driving things.
[00:26:43]  And it's just exploded ever since then.
[00:26:46]  So I think no matter what happens, as long as we have that community, it's going to keep driving on and on and on.
[00:26:53]  I completely agree.
[00:26:54]  As a king of the caulks.
[00:26:57]  And a no, I mean this as a silent observer, when you came on the show and you had a wild idea of let's actually get involved.
[00:27:06]  And like you said, we're lazy and we're like, I don't really want to do that.
[00:27:11]  But you kept fucking pushing and pushing and pushing.
[00:27:13]  You won over Dave, you won over individuals.
[00:27:15]  And everywhere we go, I mean, I can see the momentum of this movement.
[00:27:20]  Like, we were not filling venues like this three years ago.
[00:27:23]  People weren't coming up to me talking politics with like a glow in their eye about what we're building.
[00:27:28]  Like, I'm telling you, I can feel the momentum.
[00:27:31]  It's off of what you're building.
[00:27:32]  You've gone from stoops to porches.
[00:27:34]  There you go.
[00:27:37]  And beyond.
[00:27:39]  To be honest, I thought Rob was funnier in his stoops phase.
[00:27:44]  It doesn't translate to porches.
[00:27:46]  Beyond the momentum, we're bringing out fun people, and we got a message of freedom, which no one else is preaching.
[00:27:55]  Amen.
[00:27:56]  Amen.
[00:27:57]  All right.
[00:27:58]  Do you want to fucking, let's take some fucking questions and then switch mics.
[00:28:03]  Okay, yeah.
[00:28:04]  Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.
[00:28:05]  All right.
[00:28:06]  Rob is going to come around.
[00:28:08]  I'll answer one up front.
[00:28:09]  I'm not high.
[00:28:10]  I just have naturally almost closed eyes.
[00:28:16]  I can't help it.
[00:28:17]  There's nothing I can do.
[00:28:18]  I'm sorry.
[00:28:19]  That really sounds like something you tell your 10th grade math teacher.
[00:28:24]  It's no, these are my eyes, bro.
[00:28:27]  All right, any questions anyone has for Angela, Michael, or for me?
[00:28:32]  First, thank you all so much for doing this.
[00:28:35]  Like, this has been great.
[00:28:37]  Like, a lot of great things are happening.
[00:28:39]  The Ohio LP's growing more and doing more than it has in a while.
[00:28:45]  Question for Dave is you still keep saying if you run for president.
[00:28:52]  I'd just like to know, is there someone else that you think could run?
[00:28:56]  Or what do we have to do?
[00:28:58]  To get you to close up with that.
[00:28:59]  When instead of if.
[00:29:03]  Well.
[00:29:12]  Well, look.
[00:29:14]  All right.
[00:29:14]  Let me put it this way.
[00:29:15]  I'll put it in a couple different ways.
[00:29:17]  If there, look, if there was someone else who can do what, well, all right.
[00:29:25]  All right.
[00:29:28]  I'm saying, just let me finish the point.
[00:29:30]  If someone were to emerge who I thought could do fucking, what, listen, I heard you, sir.
[00:29:41]  All right.
[00:29:42]  If...
[00:29:44]  I have to, because we exist in a world of crazy fucking laws, I have to fucking word this the right way.
[00:29:51]  If no one else emerges who can fucking do what I know I can do, then I will do what I have to do.
[00:30:03]  All right?
[00:30:04]  So if that is an appropriate thing for the FCC to say while still raking in podcast money, then I will stick to that.
[00:30:17]  But look, here's the fucking truth, right?
[00:30:19]  The process to decide who gets the nomination for the presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party is the exact same process as to decide who gets the chair, right?
[00:30:32]  The delegates are going to decide that.
[00:30:35]  So this, if you want to see that, well, then the test run is tomorrow that we get Angela in as fucking chair of the party.
[00:30:43]  So that's what matters to me right now.
[00:30:46]  Because if we don't do that, then none of the rest of it fucking matters.
[00:30:50]  So this is the first step.
[00:30:52]  And I really am.
[00:30:52]  This isn't like dodging the question.
[00:30:54]  I'm very focused on this weekend right now.
[00:30:57]  You know what I mean?
[00:30:57]  So like this weekend is what matters.
[00:30:59]  And the people that I believe in taking the reins and grabbing a hold of the steering wheel of this party, I think that's the first step in this kind of, in this mission here.
[00:31:10]  Basically, start preparing yourselves for DC 2024.

=== Getting Parts For Your Car (02:15) ===

[00:31:14]  Get your fucking car repaired.
[00:31:17]  You know, get your hotel room money ready.
[00:31:20]  Start saving.
[00:31:22]  Go to DC in 24.
[00:31:23]  Who's ready for DC in 24 to fucking elect Dave Smith?
[00:31:29]  We're not getting Elon Musk.
[00:31:31]  We're not getting that.
[00:31:32]  That's not happening.
[00:31:34]  Don't be out there thinking there is a better person.
[00:31:38]  There is not a better person.
[00:31:38]  There's always Drew Carey.
[00:31:41]  Dave's over there.
[00:31:42]  He's talking about inflation, which is a perfect opportunity to tell us guys about a sponsor where you don't have to worry about inflation.
[00:31:48]  You don't have to worry about supply line issues.
[00:31:50]  You don't have to worry about a company who can't get you the parts you need.
[00:31:53]  No, you go to rockauto.com.
[00:31:55]  And let me tell you, these people, they've been in business for, I think it's like 20 years, and they've got great relationships with the parts people.
[00:32:03]  Like, you know, you go to other places and they're telling you, hey, the boat didn't come over.
[00:32:08]  We lost your parts.
[00:32:09]  We can't find your parts.
[00:32:10]  We never heard of those parts.
[00:32:11]  Not at rockauto.com.
[00:32:12]  If you got a car and your car is probably worth way more money this year, that's one of the nice things about inflation is if you actually bought stuff, all of a sudden it's worth more.
[00:32:19]  So you've got a used car and your used car, it's worth all sorts of money.
[00:32:22]  But you can't go afford new cars.
[00:32:24]  So you might as well make sure that your old car is a working car.
[00:32:27]  So when everyone else, they're going totally broke and they can't even go to work.
[00:32:30]  You're like, well, I was able to get the parts I need to keep my car on the road.
[00:32:33]  And you know how I did that?
[00:32:34]  Because I went to rockauto.com.
[00:32:36]  And you might be thinking, oh, do I need a promo code for discounts?
[00:32:38]  You don't.
[00:32:39]  You know why?
[00:32:40]  Because the car parts are already so well priced, they don't need promo codes.
[00:32:44]  That's it.
[00:32:44]  You just go to rockauto.com.
[00:32:46]  You'll find whatever car part you need for your car.
[00:32:49]  If you're there, you're working on your car, you want to bring it to your mechanic, and he's slow rolling you.
[00:32:52]  He's telling you you can't go to the parts.
[00:32:54]  Well, that's because he doesn't know about rockauto.com.
[00:32:56]  You probably need a better mechanic.
[00:32:57]  If he doesn't know about the best place to get car parts at the best prices, you really want to trust that guy fiddling around within your engine?
[00:33:02]  Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
[00:33:04]  So once more, that's rockauto.com.
[00:33:06]  Thank you for supporting the show.
[00:33:08]  And they got everything you could ever need for your car.
[00:33:11]  Back into it.
[00:33:12]  All right.
[00:33:13]  I know the momentum in this room is hot as all hell, but there is an important announcement I have to make, which is the tow trucks are coming for us.
[00:33:21]  So if you might want to move your car, and like I said, I'm sorry.
[00:33:26]  But you can't even describe the car.
[00:33:27]  They have to have their plate memorized.

=== Need More Justin Amashes (16:03) ===

[00:33:29]  Oh.
[00:33:32]  You don't drive, so you think that's weird.
[00:33:33]  Everyone knows their fucking license plate, dude.
[00:33:38]  Yeah, no, I know, dude.
[00:33:39]  I'm just saying.
[00:33:40]  By the way, can I just be honest?
[00:33:42]  I don't know my license plate.
[00:33:45]  But it's always like they're usually like, you know, the green Ford is being towed.
[00:33:50]  All right, whatever.
[00:33:51]  Screw you, Rob.
[00:33:52]  Listen, fuck your car, you'll get it tomorrow.
[00:33:55]  They are.
[00:33:56]  I agree.
[00:33:57]  All right, next question.
[00:34:02]  Hi, Dave.
[00:34:03]  Is that Funkhauser?
[00:34:04]  What's up, my brother?
[00:34:11]  This is more of a statement than a question.
[00:34:15]  If you don't run for president, I'll fucking kill myself.
[00:34:18]  Do you understand?
[00:34:21]  Wait, what did you say?
[00:34:23]  He's not kidding, dude.
[00:34:24]  You got to do it.
[00:34:26]  If I'm not the president, you'll kill me.
[00:34:28]  He's a little high-strung.
[00:34:29]  We've all been concerned for months.
[00:34:31]  A little high-strung.
[00:34:32]  Kids a workhorse, though.
[00:34:34]  That was more depressing than my car announcement.
[00:34:39]  I think everybody should wish Funkhauser a happy birthday.
[00:34:43]  Oh, happy birthday.
[00:34:50]  That's what you get.
[00:34:54]  All right, next question.
[00:34:57]  This is actually more of a question for everybody here.
[00:34:59]  Oh, yeah.
[00:35:00]  Hey, does anybody here know where to find cocaine without fentanyl in it in Reno?
[00:35:08]  If you do, please come find me in my seat.
[00:35:11]  And Dave, I wish you all the best.
[00:35:13]  And Angela, vote for Angela.
[00:35:15]  But please find me if you have cocaine without fentanyl in it.
[00:35:17]  Thank you.
[00:35:18]  That was Brian McWilliams from the Lions of Liberty podcast.
[00:35:26]  Will Gas Digital donate to the Libertarian Party?
[00:35:32]  I'm having trouble hearing what people.
[00:35:34]  He asked if Gas Digital was going to donate to the Libertarian Party, and I'm just going to guess no, because we don't give away money.
[00:35:42]  We're keeping every fucking penny.
[00:35:44]  Yeah.
[00:35:45]  All right.
[00:35:45]  Anyone have a good question?
[00:35:50]  Dave, will you go on Tower Gain?
[00:35:53]  Will I go on Tower Gang?
[00:35:55]  I think you already have.
[00:35:56]  I've been on twice.
[00:35:58]  And that is more than those animals deserve.
[00:36:05]  All right, I got two.
[00:36:06]  One is like, Robbie, you always joke about having AIDS.
[00:36:09]  You actually have AIDS or just a joke.
[00:36:13]  Man, this is a tough spot for me, everybody.
[00:36:17]  I was hoping we would pin Dave on whether or not he's running for president, and now I got to answer questions about my sexual orientations.
[00:36:25]  I both have AIDS, have cured myself.
[00:36:28]  I go back and forth.
[00:36:29]  It depends on the weekend.
[00:36:30]  You should know these things.
[00:36:32]  Thanks for the clarification.
[00:36:34]  All right, so Dave.
[00:36:36]  Yes, sir.
[00:36:37]  So our great LP, previous presidential candidate, gave away your strategy for getting laid and stuff.
[00:36:46]  What is your favorite go-to drink for your strategy?
[00:36:51]  My favorite go-to drink for what?
[00:36:53]  12 shots.
[00:36:56]  Dude, I don't know.
[00:36:58]  Whatever the fucking drink in the hypothetical that I talked about five years ago would be.
[00:37:03]  Dude, I had, there was one, this fucking, one of the fucking crazy critics of ours in the Libertarian Party, you know, this girl, and they love jumping on this comment that I made in 2017 or whatever when I blurted out this obviously correct thing.
[00:37:22]  And she goes, hey, Dave, well, maybe I'll see you in Reno and I'll give you 12 shots and then I could do whatever I want to you if you agree to it after you take 12 shots.
[00:37:34]  And I go, yeah, that won't happen.
[00:37:39]  Do you see how you're proving my point?
[00:37:42]  Because here's number one.
[00:37:44]  I won't do 12 shots with you.
[00:37:47]  And even if I did, I'd go, no.
[00:37:54]  Because that's how adults act.
[00:37:56]  See, he's already a politician not answering the question.
[00:38:01]  The real answer is the real answer is seven and seven.
[00:38:09]  That was very direct.
[00:38:10]  It's Malibu pineapple because that has a lower alcohol content.
[00:38:15]  So you can chug more of them as a chick and get away with it.
[00:38:17]  Ooh, there you go.
[00:38:19]  All right, what do we got?
[00:38:21]  I do have a real question.
[00:38:22]  So Nick Gillespie asked me this question yesterday, and I had an okay answer, but I want your answer, Dave.
[00:38:27]  What's wrong with Justin Amash?
[00:38:30]  Ooh.
[00:38:32]  Well, I mean, like, I don't know in what capacity is what's wrong with Justin.
[00:38:38]  Justin Amash is fucking great, dude.
[00:38:40]  Like, the truth is, and this is it.
[00:38:42]  Justin Amash is one of the greatest congressmen in the history of the United States of America.
[00:38:48]  That's the gods-honest truth.
[00:38:50]  He's, I mean, like, I'm not exaggerating, I say, almost certainly top five.
[00:38:56]  Like, if you just look at his voting record, it's goddamn, like, excellent.
[00:39:00]  I mean, there are, honestly, there were a couple bad votes, I think, that he made, but he really was incredible.
[00:39:07]  And he is very good at what he does.
[00:39:12]  But the question with Justin, who, by the way, I like very much and I've gotten to know a little bit, and he's been nothing but a cool guy to me.
[00:39:21]  And I think we have a pretty good, cordial relationship.
[00:39:25]  The question is like, look, if the Libertarian Party, if you're talking about, say, for a presidential candidate, if the Libertarian Party were, let's say last election cycle, we got 31% of the vote.
[00:39:39]  And we needed 34% to win.
[00:39:43]  And so our goal was we just have to pick up 3% more.
[00:39:47]  And, you know, okay, there'd be an argument for like, don't rock the boat.
[00:39:52]  Go safe and don't go with someone who might be a risk factor here because we're almost there.
[00:39:57]  But when you got 1.5% last time and you're trying to get 35% and you're going, dude, we'd have to pull off something insane.
[00:40:08]  You know what I mean?
[00:40:08]  To actually win.
[00:40:10]  When you realize that we would have to inspire a revolution in order to win, then you have to have somebody who's capable of making people who hear you go, whoa, I never thought about things in that way.
[00:40:29]  And I'm not sure that that is his strong suit.
[00:40:33]  So it's not, I'm not like knocking the guy.
[00:40:35]  I really think he's a good dude, and I think he was a great congressman and a great guy.
[00:40:40]  And man, if he was fucking running for Congress again and had a chance to win, I'd do everything I could to get behind him winning because we could use a lot more Justin Amashes in elected office.
[00:40:52]  So it's not that there's anything wrong with him.
[00:40:55]  I mean, there's things wrong with him.
[00:40:56]  There's a million things wrong with me.
[00:40:58]  There's a million things wrong with all of us.
[00:41:00]  But it's the question is like, what specific thing are we trying to do?
[00:41:05]  What's the strategy here?
[00:41:07]  And what I really disagree with Justin on is he says quite often, he'll go, you know, the Libertarian Party isn't about starting a movement.
[00:41:14]  It's a political party about winning elections.
[00:41:18]  And you go, okay, well then, how are we doing at that?
[00:41:22]  How are we doing at winning elections?
[00:41:24]  And if we're not doing that good at winning elections, well, then what would we need to do?
[00:41:28]  Probably spark a movement in order to win a lot more elections, right?
[00:41:33]  So it's just like, I think we have a fundamental kind of like different perspective on where we are and what we would need to do.
[00:41:42]  Like what does success look like?
[00:41:44]  I hear a lot of people in the Libertarian Party, I remember when I debated Nick Sarwak back in the Soho Forum debate in 2018.
[00:41:51]  And he said, well, he said on stage there, right?
[00:41:56]  He says, because even what are considered the more pragmatic or whatever, pragmatist people in the party, they say things like this.
[00:42:02]  He goes on stage, he goes, our goal is nothing short of setting the world free in our lifetime.
[00:42:10]  And I remember hearing Nick Sarwalk say, and then you're like, first off, setting the world free is lofty.
[00:42:20]  But they say these things and I'm like, but do you actually believe that?
[00:42:24]  Take me through this.
[00:42:25]  What does this look like?
[00:42:28]  Are we going to vanilla milquetose our way into setting the world free?
[00:42:33]  Like I'm like, I just, I don't see that happening.
[00:42:36]  I think we need, like, we don't need to be stupid radical and put like footwear on our head.
[00:42:44]  But we, but we need to be fucking radicals who passionately stand for something if we're going to have any hope of doing that.
[00:42:57]  So that's kind of my thought.
[00:42:58]  Do any of you guys want to get answered on this?
[00:43:01]  Don't let people frame the question that way.
[00:43:03]  What's wrong with Justin Amash?
[00:43:05]  No, correct that immediately and say, no, I reject that question.
[00:43:09]  The real question is, who is best suited for the role at hand right now?
[00:43:15]  And right now, we need Dave Smith and we need someone with a strong ability to communicate liberty.
[00:43:24]  I'll add to that and say, well, first of all, I agree with everything Dave said as to what Amash has achieved in Congress.
[00:43:31]  However, the role of running for president as a libertarian is different than any other position.
[00:43:37]  And so what I would say is that Justin Amash represents, in my opinion, the best version of an overall failed strategy, which is vote chasing.
[00:43:49]  And this whole we're here to elect libertarians thing, there's a surface truth to that.
[00:43:53]  We are a political party and we do exist to try to elect people and all of that.
[00:43:57]  But then it begs the question of how do you do that?
[00:44:00]  Do you just, like, is that a good in and of itself?
[00:44:04]  Or do we have to change the culture, change the way people think, to have more people thinking about these ideas, thinking about liberty before something like that is ever possible?
[00:44:13]  When you go just to, or jump straight to, we're here to get people elected, it kind of presupposes all of that other stuff of like changing the culture.
[00:44:23]  And I don't think that he necessarily sees this as a cultural battle first and foremost before it could ever manifest as a political battle.
[00:44:32]  So this whole idea of vote chasing, I think, is where we have gone wrong for the past 16 years.
[00:44:39]  And Dave, I think, represents the opportunity to infect the culture in a way that we haven't seen since the Ron Paul Revolution and maybe even more than that.
[00:44:48]  Well, thank you.
[00:44:54]  Let me just add to that.
[00:44:55]  Certainly, and that is not because I'm, you know, Ron Paul is better and smarter and just overall on a different level than I'll ever be.
[00:45:04]  But I have tools that he never had.
[00:45:08]  Like, I have like these things just from the luck of the age I am and the time we live in that he didn't have the advantage of.
[00:45:16]  You know, like it was a really big deal when CNN would block you out when Ron Paul was running for president.
[00:45:21]  That really was a big deal.
[00:45:23]  Back then, people used to watch CNN.
[00:45:25]  Now, you're like, honestly, your average CNN show would be like substantially smaller than a big podcast that I could get on.
[00:45:35]  So it's a different landscape.
[00:45:37]  But also, when you think about like, look, moving the needle even around on the margins is a big deal.
[00:45:44]  There's a reason why the bad guys rely on giant propaganda campaigns.
[00:45:49]  And there's a reason why if you look at like the polling data on like masking, when it goes, it's at like 60% of people are for mask mandates, the mandates are existing all over the place.
[00:46:00]  And once it falls to like 49%, they're disappearing all over the place.
[00:46:04]  There's a real relationship between propaganda and effective authoritarianism.
[00:46:09]  And that's why every authoritarian regime relies on propaganda, right?
[00:46:13]  So if you can fuck with those margins a little bit, you can make a big difference.
[00:46:16]  And the thing about if Ron Paul were to ever win the presidency, let's say back in 2008 or 2012, if he had won, you could say, okay, well, there's still the CIA and the military industrial complex and the Pentagon and the FBI and the NSA.
[00:46:32]  There's still the Congress.
[00:46:33]  There's still the corporate press.
[00:46:34]  There's still all these obstacles for him to actually roll back the state.
[00:46:39]  But the bigger point is that if Ron Paul had won, that would mean that like 60 million people had voted for Ron Paul.
[00:46:47]  So you'd have 60 million people who had embraced the anti-war, anti-Fed, Austrian economic, pure freedom like agenda, right?
[00:46:58]  That you don't even need to worry about the rest.
[00:47:01]  If we ever achieved that, the whole thing's over.
[00:47:04]  It doesn't even matter about the X's and O's of how you roll back the state because it could never exist.
[00:47:10]  Try instituting lockdowns if they're like 90% unpopular.
[00:47:15]  You could never do it.
[00:47:16]  You need to get the compliance of the people.
[00:47:18]  This is the fundamental insight of anatomy of the state, is that the state exists because of the perception of legitimacy by the people.
[00:47:27]  So the problem with the kind of Justin Amash strategy, and not picking on Justin, just this mindset, is that they go, well, what if we just get out here and go, hey, the duopoly isn't working.
[00:47:37]  You deserve a third choice.
[00:47:38]  Let's have an honest government.
[00:47:40]  Let's go back to the process of, you know, members get to vote and leadership doesn't pick all of the legislation and all of this.
[00:47:46]  Even if you were to win, have they really bought into the principles?
[00:47:52]  Like, even if you were to get the votes that you're vote chasing, what have you really gotten?
[00:47:56]  You know, Gary Johnson got a lot of votes by saying, I'm a, you know, a Republican governor from a blue state who's not Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton.
[00:48:09]  And isn't this more common sense?
[00:48:10]  So he got a lot of votes.
[00:48:11]  Do you know what that did for membership to the party?
[00:48:14]  Nothing.
[00:48:15]  Do you know what that did for creating new libertarians?
[00:48:18]  Nothing.
[00:48:19]  So what is that vote worth?
[00:48:21]  You know, maintaining ballot access for another few years and then we have to fight in a few years to maintain that ballot access again.
[00:48:28]  So that's kind of the bigger point.
[00:48:29]  It's like, we got to be working towards something.
[00:48:32]  This is a long-term struggle.
[00:48:34]  And we have to be working toward building and building and building.
[00:48:38]  And when you do what Ron Paul did, look at us years later.
[00:48:41]  We have all of this because of that.
[00:48:44]  He did something that will last.
[00:48:48]  That's the difference.
[00:48:49]  Just to give some context, it was 4.3 million votes.
[00:48:54]  We peaked at 21,000 members, I think it was, which is still less than what we were when Harry Brown was running in the 2000s, or early 2000s.
[00:49:03]  And there is no endearing Gary Johnson movement.
[00:49:07]  There's not even an endearing Rand Paul revolution.
[00:49:10]  There's only an endearing Ron Paul revolution within our movement because he understood that it is culture and ideas first.
[00:49:18]  It's not actually politics.
[00:49:21]  The reason you don't see more legislative gains is because you're not going to get that until you free people from their ideological prison first.
[00:49:30]  That has to come first before you can get them to vote the right way, obviously.

=== Building The Next Generation (15:25) ===

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[00:50:50]  I think I found the drunkest guy in the room.
[00:50:53]  Oh, God.
[00:50:54]  Not even close.
[00:50:55]  Here we go.
[00:50:57]  I'm going to hold the mics, but here you go.
[00:50:59]  Not even close.
[00:51:01]  But this question is for fuck, all three of you.
[00:51:06]  Any of the three of you.
[00:51:08]  Okay?
[00:51:09]  And this question is regarding the fucking Loser Brigade.
[00:51:14]  Who?
[00:51:15]  The fucking Loser Brigade.
[00:51:17]  Never heard of them.
[00:51:18]  I'll say it louder for those in the back.
[00:51:22]  They seem to think that once we achieve our strategic plan, we have nothing.
[00:51:30]  But here's my question.
[00:51:34]  Their messaging has been shit.
[00:51:36]  And they're the reason that I have refused to be a part of the Libertarian Party for years.
[00:51:44]  It wasn't until I heard...
[00:51:46]  The Mises Caucus.
[00:51:47]  You know, I didn't believe, Rob, that he was the drunkest guy in the room.
[00:51:51]  For like the first two sentences, I was like, he held it together.
[00:51:54]  Who's got it?
[00:51:55]  I was like, these fucking assholes are going to look at me and tell me I'm a loser.
[00:52:00]  I'm sorry.
[00:52:02]  Roast me all day long, Dave.
[00:52:03]  I'll fucking take it, brother.
[00:52:08]  My question is this.
[00:52:10]  Their biggest shit against the LPMC.
[00:52:14]  Doesn't sound like a question.
[00:52:16]  I just want to...
[00:52:17]  It's a question.
[00:52:18]  Okay.
[00:52:19]  Can I...
[00:52:20]  Okay, let's...
[00:52:21]  There we go.
[00:52:22]  Good practice.
[00:52:22]  Keep going.
[00:52:23]  The question is, their biggest shit on the LPMC is that we have no plan moving forward, no way to...
[00:52:31]  I know, I know, right?
[00:52:32]  It's fucking stupid.
[00:52:33]  Okay.
[00:52:34]  But wait, wait, wait.
[00:52:36]  All right, come on, wrap it up.
[00:52:37]  Wrap it up.
[00:52:38]  The fundraising is their fucking thing, right?
[00:52:42]  Like, they have tanked in fundraising.
[00:52:46]  What do we...
[00:52:50]  I know the money bomb.
[00:52:52]  We know.
[00:52:52]  I think he wants to know.
[00:52:53]  We got to get to a question here.
[00:52:55]  My biggest question is, what's the plan for fundraising?
[00:52:57]  Okay.
[00:52:58]  Okay, let's dig it.
[00:52:59]  Let's dig into this a little bit.
[00:53:02]  If we may.
[00:53:03]  Settle down.
[00:53:04]  We got it.
[00:53:05]  All right, everyone, settle down.
[00:53:07]  Unruly army.
[00:53:08]  The man wants to know what we're doing to raise some money.
[00:53:11]  Okay.
[00:53:13]  All right, all right.
[00:53:14]  Listen, I'm sorry.
[00:53:16]  We're going to have to leave the question at that.
[00:53:17]  So, Angela, get it.
[00:53:18]  I think the question is, what's the long-term plan?
[00:53:20]  Okay, can I freaking...
[00:53:24]  At the Florida convention, at the Florida Libertarian Party Convention, there was a chair debate.
[00:53:29]  And I got up there and started saying, I got a 40-page strategic plan summary.
[00:53:33]  We're going to do this.
[00:53:33]  We're going to do that.
[00:53:34]  We're going to rework this.
[00:53:35]  We're not going to go too aggressive with reworking everything because the odds of that failing and succeeding, like, it's very complex.
[00:53:41]  And these are the studies about boardrooms.
[00:53:43]  And when they come in with rapid change, and so on and so forth.
[00:53:46]  And my political opponent turns to me and says, well, we don't need a plan.
[00:53:49]  Planning is bad.
[00:53:53]  Do you guys understand?
[00:53:54]  Like, they're so like pearl-clutching and terrified that we're going to have edge lording on social media and that we have no planning.
[00:54:01]  They hate plans.
[00:54:03]  This is why the party has failed for 50 years.
[00:54:07]  Just forget.
[00:54:09]  Forget.
[00:54:10]  It's a joke.
[00:54:11]  Everything that they say that we're not planning, we're not professional, it's a joke.
[00:54:16]  I've run mid-sized law firms.
[00:54:19]  Like, I have to deal with multi-million dollar verdicts when people's lives are at stake.
[00:54:25]  And they're like, you don't know what you're doing.
[00:54:26]  Sit down and shut up.
[00:54:28]  Like, just chill out.
[00:54:30]  We're fine.
[00:54:31]  We're fine.
[00:54:32]  We're the winner brigade.
[00:54:34]  We're going to do an excellent job.
[00:54:39]  I have nothing better to add to that.
[00:54:41]  Anything you want to say, Michael?
[00:54:42]  The short-term answer is, frankly, fuck them.
[00:54:49]  We have to, we have limited resources.
[00:54:52]  We have limited time.
[00:54:54]  So it's incumbent upon us to best use our resources and best use our time.
[00:54:59]  It's a waste of time worrying about people that at best exist to make us laugh.
[00:55:05]  Okay, like, and, well, not comedians.
[00:55:07]  I mean, like, loser, motherfucker.
[00:55:08]  That did.
[00:55:09]  That did.
[00:55:10]  That did hit home a little bit.
[00:55:12]  Shots fired.
[00:55:14]  Stick around for the late show.
[00:55:18]  As for like, what's the long-term plan?
[00:55:21]  Well, we keep harping on this idea that it's got to be a cultural movement before it could ever be a political movement.
[00:55:26]  Well, where does culture actually organically really come from?
[00:55:31]  It comes from the family up through the community.
[00:55:33]  So if we are serious about ingratiating ourselves to the culture, that's where we have to operate is up in the community.
[00:55:42]  That's where it will actually come from.
[00:55:43]  So if we start creating change in the community at the local level, then we can start to scale and we can start to build trust because trust is the actual currency that holds society together.
[00:55:54]  It's in a lack of trust environment where we're divided by politics that we start to artificially hate each other.
[00:56:01]  And that's what's happening.
[00:56:02]  And that's the whole plan is to not rely on ourselves, to rely on others, to rely on strongmen to destroy our enemies for us.
[00:56:09]  So what we have to do is create our own culture.
[00:56:12]  And that starts at the local level.
[00:56:16]  100% agree.
[00:56:18]  I would just add to this, as far as like the question of, you know, about the loser brigade and guys like that, I think that there's almost like, look, there's different types of libertarians who are critics of the Mises caucus.
[00:56:33]  And even within the Libertarian Party, there's different classes, you know, and groups of this, and we shouldn't lump them all together.
[00:56:40]  So like, if there's this one, when we talked about like the loser brigade, these were like the people we would just fucking mock who like, you know, call everything they don't like Nazi, racist, trans folk.
[00:56:49]  Like all, the truth is that after this weekend, my personal thing is I promise to you guys, I will never interact with any one of these people again or respond to them or this.
[00:57:00]  They're done.
[00:57:02]  It's just over.
[00:57:03]  If they want to leave the party, they're more than welcome to leave.
[00:57:07]  If they don't want to leave the party, they can stay and complain.
[00:57:11]  No one's listening.
[00:57:12]  All I ever cared about was honestly the fact that some of them had positions of power within the Libertarian Party.
[00:57:17]  And then I just, to be honest, I just kind of used the other ones as like debate victims to fucking just dunk on.
[00:57:25]  And it hyped up our side.
[00:57:27]  And then they were good to like monetize for a while and just be like, don't you want to see this asshole fucking lose?
[00:57:33]  And everyone would go, yeah.
[00:57:34]  So I kind of strategically used them, but I'm done using them and I don't.
[00:57:38]  But then there is a different...
[00:57:40]  Yeah, sure.
[00:57:41]  But there is a different class that is not those guys, right?
[00:57:45]  And there's classes that are, there's somewhat of an old guard in the Libertarian Party who are very skeptical of what we're doing.
[00:57:53]  And they're not those guys.
[00:57:54]  They're not saying, hey, you guys are Nazi bigots, transphobes.
[00:57:57]  They are more like on a thing, is like, hey, look, we've done this thing over 50 years, and you're just trying to like completely change it.
[00:58:06]  And they don't understand the social media culture.
[00:58:10]  They're like, whoa, what are these crass jokes online and stuff?
[00:58:14]  Like, I don't get that.
[00:58:15]  And so I don't even like, to those people, I'm more interested in saying, look, you have to understand that as much as there is this noble tradition in the Libertarian Party, you know, fucking Harry Brown and Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard was the person who they wanted to nominate for the first presidential candidate.
[00:58:34]  He won the majority votes, you know, by the way, for the first presidential candidate, and he turned it down because he didn't even know the Libertarian Party was a thing yet at the time.
[00:58:42]  But I'm saying there's this amazing tradition of ideas, but we can also be honest and say, what have we really accomplished in 50 years?
[00:58:50]  Well, I think we can agree, not nearly enough.
[00:58:53]  And so while the whole world is changing and the landscape of communication and culture and all of this is changing, I think this party needs to change along with it.
[00:59:02]  So to those guys, I would just say that it's like, look, it's not that I hate you or want you gone.
[00:59:08]  I appreciate everything you've done, but it's time to hand over the reins to the younger generation.
[00:59:13]  And like, whether you want to or not, we're taking those reins.
[00:59:17]  So get on board with it or don't.
[00:59:20]  Two points on that.
[00:59:23]  Really, what we're going through right now with the Libertarian Party is like a version of the hero's journey.
[00:59:28]  And we're the new hero coming in collectively, all of us.
[00:59:33]  And the party has sort of already failed.
[00:59:35]  And failing is part of the hero's journey.
[00:59:37]  You watch any archetypal hero movie and you see them go out and they fall on their face and then they've got to go back and they've got to learn and trade harder and win.
[00:59:44]  And the old guard, the older people, they should be behaving like the Obi-Wan character guiding and leading the way.
[00:59:52]  Instead, they're trying to hold on.
[00:59:54]  It's like, bro, you're 80 years old.
[00:59:56]  Sit down.
[00:59:57]  Like, you can't lift your sword.
[00:59:58]  But we do need your advice.
[01:00:00]  And so we're not casting them all out.
[01:00:02]  They need to shift roles, just like we will have to shift roles at some point.
[01:00:06]  Yeah, that's an excellent point.
[01:00:09]  And, you know, God, man, I really hope, like, when the fucking time comes for that, that I will be like very gracious in handing over the reins.
[01:00:18]  I'd be excited to do that.
[01:00:20]  Like, you know what I mean?
[01:00:21]  If somebody was going to continue this thing on and grow it in a way that I could never do, you know, and I'm sure that time will come.
[01:00:29]  And I do think there's something about, and I do not mean to be a collectivist here, but I am just saying there's a trend that I noticed amongst boomers who, if I had to say one generation that ruined the entire world, it would be them.
[01:00:47]  Look, there's something, isn't there something kind of interesting that, look, like I said, in the mid-1990s, okay, when I was like, I don't know, 15, we had these political leaders.
[01:00:59]  I don't know if any of you guys will remember them, but there were these people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden.
[01:01:08]  Isn't it kind of amazing that they never passed the torch?
[01:01:12]  And isn't so much of the problem that it's still the 80.
[01:01:16]  They're all fucking 80 and they're still holding on to their same position.
[01:01:21]  There is something of a characteristic of this generation where it's like, where's the willingness to look to the next generation and pass things on?
[01:01:30]  Now, I'm not blaming every boomer.
[01:01:31]  Obviously, not everyone falls into this category.
[01:01:34]  And there's great people, you know, in the libertarian movement, but shouldn't we be a little bit better than that?
[01:01:40]  Maybe this is why we're $30 trillion in debt.
[01:01:42]  Because there was like no thought of what we're preparing for the next generation.
[01:01:46]  It's like, oh, isn't this great?
[01:01:48]  I made all this money because my house is worth $800,000 now.
[01:01:51]  Wonderful, boomer.
[01:01:53]  How's your kid ever going to afford a fucking house?
[01:01:56]  You know what I mean?
[01:01:57]  Adrenochrome is a hell of a drug.
[01:01:58]  Huh?
[01:01:59]  Adrenochrome is a hell of a drug.
[01:02:01]  Yeah, really.
[01:02:02]  With any luck in the hypothetical Dave Smith 2024 run, we will kill all the boomers.
[01:02:11]  I'm just kidding.
[01:02:13]  With any luck.
[01:02:14]  By the way, my mom's a boomer.
[01:02:16]  I love boomers.
[01:02:17]  It's the adrenochrome.
[01:02:20]  With any luck, though, there is some clinically depressed kid that you will reach that will fuck all of us, the jaded versions of ourselves in 20 years up.
[01:02:31]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:02:34]  Let me give you one last note that is related to an accusation that you're going to hear from loser brigade and skeptics.
[01:02:40]  And you need to repeat this when you hear it back.
[01:02:44]  They say that we don't care about ballot access and we're going to throw it away.
[01:02:48]  How incredibly stupid is that?
[01:02:50]  Because don't you want him on the debate stage in 50 states?
[01:02:59]  I'll be damned if it gets messed up.
[01:03:01]  I'll see if I can make it.
[01:03:03]  All right.
[01:03:04]  All right, Rob, what do we need to do?
[01:03:05]  We'll see three more questions.
[01:03:07]  Okay, Dave, I got a hardball for you here.
[01:03:11]  You got a room of fans, and I think we've established that this group of people is really asking when, not if you're going to run for president in 2024.
[01:03:19]  And if we can see that happen, what I want to know is, how are we going to get the soccer moms of America to vote for one third legion of skanks?
[01:03:33]  Well.
[01:03:36]  Shots.
[01:03:36]  Oh, geez.
[01:03:43]  I mean, look, I'll say this.
[01:03:45]  It's not at all that I don't want to try to appeal to soccer moms.
[01:03:51]  And maybe I'm going to, you know, as I become more of the age of being a soccer dad, that I will be able to, you know, but the first thing I'm going to say, and again, I don't, I really hope the comment that I just made before about the boomer generation isn't like taken the wrong way.
[01:04:09]  I'm really not making like, I'm not, there are exceptions to this rule.
[01:04:13]  I'm just noticing a pattern.
[01:04:15]  That's all.
[01:04:15]  There's many people who don't fall into that.
[01:04:17]  But I will say this, that in the spirit of what we were saying before of trying to build a movement and a revolution, my major priority are young people.
[01:04:27]  That is what I'm trying.
[01:04:28]  That is what, this is what's going to lead to the next generation being a more free generation.
[01:04:34]  My goal here, the reason why I fucking, honestly, like I've been a libertarian since 2008, 2009, really.
[01:04:42]  I was introduced in 2007 and kind of was converted over that time.
[01:04:45]  And I love these ideas and completely believed in it.
[01:04:47]  And I care about my own freedom and I want to be free.
[01:04:50]  The reason why I'm really active and really care about this shit is because I got two little kids and I'm genuinely scared about the future of this country for them.

=== Reclaiming Local Politics Now (06:04) ===

[01:04:59]  My priority is to leave behind something good for them.
[01:05:03]  That's what I care about.
[01:05:05]  So my number one priority is to wake up an army of young people.
[01:05:09]  However, you want to appeal to as many people as you can.
[01:05:13]  And I think that right now, when you talk about issues, the number one issue right now that is libertarians' opportunity is inflation.
[01:05:20]  And nobody feels this more than moms.
[01:05:24]  Moms know all about inflation.
[01:05:26]  And because moms always just know more about what's going on than dads.
[01:05:32]  Like, nothing against dads, but like I'm a dad and I know, like, sometimes my daughter's like three and a half, and she'll just be like, dad, where's my, you know, where's my doll?
[01:05:44]  And I'm like, shit.
[01:05:47]  Where's mom?
[01:05:49]  It's gotten to the point where my daughter will ask me where something is, and then she goes, like, in this cute three and a half year old way, she goes, we should ask mama.
[01:05:58]  You know, like, she already knows.
[01:05:59]  She's like, you're basically useless.
[01:06:01]  And my, like, I don't even notice when the price of shit is going up.
[01:06:05]  And then my wife will be like, these strawberries used to be $3, and now they're $6.
[01:06:09]  And I'm like, I guess that is different.
[01:06:13]  But it is something that I do think, like, these things, like, what moms tend to really care about is protection and stability and like the economic health of their future, of their kids' future.
[01:06:26]  And I think we have a real opportunity to appeal to them on those issues.
[01:06:30]  So, you know, I know, listen, I'm not the perfect messenger, and being a cross comedian has its drawbacks.
[01:06:38]  But at the same time, I'm a really, really good shit talker.
[01:06:44]  And that has its benefits also.
[01:06:47]  Well, you know what?
[01:06:48]  Just to give a little bit of pushback, my boyfriend's mother, who is a boomer, huge fan of yours, and she texts me about your show all the time.
[01:06:56]  All right, there we go.
[01:06:58]  So she'll hear this one.
[01:06:59]  So shout out to Mrs. P. Thank you.
[01:07:01]  There are great exceptions to this rule.
[01:07:04]  No, and by the way, again, like I say, like some of the greatest libertarian heroes are in the boomer generation.
[01:07:10]  You know what I mean?
[01:07:11]  It's like there's, you know, fucking, my generation kind of sucks too, but we're cool.
[01:07:16]  All right.
[01:07:17]  I'll add to that that I think moms are the ones who are making us re-realize the primacy of local level politics.
[01:07:27]  I mean, who are the ones swarming all these school board meetings?
[01:07:32]  It's moms because their kids are the ones who are being propagandized.
[01:07:36]  It's their kids who are being taught that if you're a little girl and you play with a fire truck once, that you must be a boy trapped in a fucking girl's body.
[01:07:44]  And they're not down with this stuff.
[01:07:46]  And so the moms are the ones, I think, leading the charge in these school board meetings.
[01:07:51]  And I think that is a huge opportunity.
[01:07:52]  The erosion of trust in the education system and how rapidly it's being realized that this isn't actually education.
[01:08:01]  It's brainwashing for the regime.
[01:08:04]  I think that is a huge opportunity, maybe even more than the inflation thing.
[01:08:07]  Because the inflation thing, I think, more might strike at the men and our ability to provide and our ability to make money.
[01:08:13]  And, you know, our shit's being devalued.
[01:08:15]  And no matter how we work, we just can't get ahead.
[01:08:18]  Whereas moms, I think the education thing strikes more at that protective instinct of what you're talking about.
[01:08:24]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[01:08:25]  All right.
[01:08:26]  Let's try and speed round this.
[01:08:28]  I got four good questions lined up.
[01:08:30]  Are we, brother, how are we doing on time?
[01:08:31]  Because it's 11 now.
[01:08:33]  So what do you got?
[01:08:33]  Four more questions?
[01:08:35]  We'll speed round them.
[01:08:36]  They're good ones.
[01:08:37]  All right, here we go.
[01:08:38]  All right, I got a really serious question for all three of you.
[01:08:42]  Fuck Mary Kill, Joe Bishop Henchman, Nick Sarwork, Joe Jorgensen.
[01:08:48]  All right.
[01:08:50]  Well, I've already fucked Nick Sarwak.
[01:08:53]  So.
[01:08:58]  Who wants to ride that train again?
[01:09:02]  Wait, it's Joe Bishop Henchman, Nick Sarwalk, and who was the third one?
[01:09:06]  Joe Jorgensen?
[01:09:09]  Holy shit, I got to marry one of these people?
[01:09:17]  Fuck.
[01:09:18]  I'll give, you know what?
[01:09:21]  I will give Joe Jorgensen a little bit of credit.
[01:09:23]  There you go.
[01:09:24]  And here's why.
[01:09:26]  Hang on, hear me out, goddamn.
[01:09:29]  Joe Jorgensen, for all of her flaws, for all of her wokeness, for all of her not knowing what the fuck is going on in the world around her, she was a plumb-line libertarian.
[01:09:40]  And I actually saw the fact that she was the regression to the mean for the party as a good sign that we've recaptured the principle within the party.
[01:09:51]  That doesn't mean that we won the culture.
[01:09:53]  And that's what this convention is about, is reclaiming the culture.
[01:09:57]  But I do think that she was a positive step in the right direction of reclaiming the principle within the party.
[01:10:03]  Yeah.
[01:10:04]  All right, so fine.
[01:10:05]  I'll say this.
[01:10:06]  Joe Jorgensen is not, like, I don't see her as a villain the way I see the other two as villains.
[01:10:14]  I think that she was, like, incompetent and doesn't know what she's talking about.
[01:10:19]  And that's, like, what was reflected in a lot of her things.
[01:10:22]  I don't even think she's woke, to be honest, at all.
[01:10:25]  I think just the people around her were.
[01:10:28]  So, since I already fucked Nick at the Soho Forum, I know I can do that.
[01:10:35]  I'll fuck him.
[01:10:36]  And then I'll kill Bishop Henchman because he's the only one who committed actual criminal acts against our thing.
[01:10:44]  By the way, for anyone snipping this, I will not actually kill anyone.
[01:10:47]  This is a game.
[01:10:49]  And I guess I gotta marry Joe, but it won't count anyway because I'm already married.
[01:10:54]  I'll just kill myself.
[01:10:57]  That was a much, I like her answer.
[01:11:00]  Let's do a couple quick ones.
[01:11:02]  All right, quick question.

=== Creating Demand Everywhere (05:40) ===

[01:11:03]  So I got friends on left and right, and I think more people than we realize on the left and the right are libertarian.
[01:11:09]  They don't know what the fuck we are.
[01:11:12]  So let's say we get a solid candidate for this next election.
[01:11:17]  How the fuck do we get media access?
[01:11:20]  Because we get squeezed out constantly.
[01:11:23]  Well, the thing we have to do, right, the plan is that now, since we have the opportunity to where we can really make so much noise.
[01:11:29]  The thing is this, right?
[01:11:31]  You have CNN and the Washington Post and the New York Times and all of the establishment media, okay?
[01:11:37]  If you're saying that if you're a libertarian and you want to abolish the CIA, they're not going to give you a fair shake.
[01:11:44]  But a lot of these alternative media outlets who are way bigger than them, they may not be completely on board with the libertarian message, but they're not like, oh, I'm trying to ruin you if you want to abolish the CIA.
[01:11:58]  They're like, huh, interesting point.
[01:12:00]  And so they'll have us on.
[01:12:01]  So what you have to do is get in front of as many people as you can and create such a movement that there's so much demand that these dinosaur institutions are like, shit, we do want those ratings.
[01:12:14]  And then you can kind of create a demand from them.
[01:12:17]  So the goal is just to get in front of as many eyeballs as possible and create as big a movement as possible.
[01:12:22]  That's always, that's our best shot at doing something here.
[01:12:26]  And to all of the people that there are camps of libertarians who don't even think it's important to create more libertarians or to spread this message and all of that stuff.
[01:12:36]  And I just could not disagree with them more.
[01:12:38]  You know who knows how important it is?
[01:12:40]  The state.
[01:12:41]  They know how important.
[01:12:43]  There's a reason why they control education, control propaganda, because they know how important it is.
[01:12:49]  Now, is everyone a libertarian and they just don't know it?
[01:12:52]  No.
[01:12:53]  People have authoritarian tendencies, but everybody in this room was once not a libertarian and then they became one.
[01:13:02]  And the vast majority of the American people have never heard this shit presented to them in the right way.
[01:13:08]  So what could our numbers be?
[01:13:11]  Enormously higher than what they are right now.
[01:13:14]  There's no reason why if we have maybe, let's say, we have like real libertarians in this country, let's say maybe there's 2 million libertarians in this country.
[01:13:25]  There's no reason why it can't be 25 million.
[01:13:28]  And if we had 25 million real libertarians in this country, we're living in a different country, a freer country.
[01:13:35]  I guarantee it.
[01:13:37]  I guarantee.
[01:13:38]  No question about it.
[01:13:40]  And we can do that.
[01:13:42]  And again, I'll add to that.
[01:13:44]  Dave's being modest.
[01:13:49]  You don't realize how close we really are to the entire counterculture of the country.
[01:13:55]  Dave doesn't just go on Rogan.
[01:13:58]  He's good friends with Rogan.
[01:14:00]  He's a colleague in comedy with Rogan.
[01:14:02]  He doesn't just go on Gutfeld.
[01:14:05]  He is supported by Guttfeld.
[01:14:07]  Why is Megan Kelly all of a sudden asking Dave Smith to come on?
[01:14:12]  Why is Tim Poole saying that he, you know, a former leftist saying that he would support Dave Smith if he run?
[01:14:17]  Why is Dave Rubin on video saying that he would support Dave Smith?
[01:14:22]  The fact of the matter is, is the media doesn't matter anymore.
[01:14:26]  The only people who are really watching the media for the most part are people that we don't really have a shot with.
[01:14:31]  They're already kind of stuck in their ways.
[01:14:33]  They're older.
[01:14:34]  It doesn't matter.
[01:14:36]  We have to ride the wave of the new paradigm.
[01:14:39]  And the new paradigm doesn't trust the media.
[01:14:41]  They hate the media.
[01:14:43]  So they want different voices.
[01:14:45]  And Dave has access to the platforms that give legitimacy to these dissident voices.
[01:14:50]  So we are this close to the entire counterculture of the country.
[01:14:53]  You know, there was a picture recently of Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk, you know, in front of one of those cyber trucks.
[01:15:01]  You know who took the picture?
[01:15:04]  Michael Malis, who has an Amazon bestseller on the history of anarchistic thought.
[01:15:10]  We're in a different fucking world.
[01:15:16]  So that's it right there.
[01:15:18]  Like that's basically it.
[01:15:19]  That we have a real opportunity right now to capture the real counterculture in a moment when the counterculture is exploding and all the major institutions are collapsing.
[01:15:32]  And that's our fucking mission.
[01:15:33]  And it starts tomorrow by electing Angela McArdle to be the chair of the Libertarian Party.
[01:15:38]  Thank you guys so much.
[01:15:41]  Thank you for coming out.
[01:15:42]  We love you.
[01:15:42]  And we'll see you all at the late show at the Bash tomorrow night.
[01:15:47]  Get up early and be there to vote tomorrow morning.
[01:15:50]  Thank you guys.
[01:16:16]  Damn, that was a fun live episode.
[01:16:18]  Me and Dave Smith, we were on tour.
[01:16:20]  The next time that you guys can see us is in Chicago.
[01:16:22]  I believe that is sold out.
[01:16:23]  Then we've got Porkfest also sold out, but check out the Free State Project.
[01:16:27]  The folks in New Hampshire, they got cool stuff going on.
[01:16:30]  And then, of course, I am on Summer Porch Tour.
[01:16:32]  Go to the link in the episode description.
[01:16:34]  I am all over America.
[01:16:35]  I'm probably sleeping on your porch.
[01:16:37]  You didn't even realize it.
[01:16:38]  So go check us out.
[01:16:39]  We got live dates and more coming at you.
[01:16:41]  And that's our show.
[01:16:42]  Have a great day.