Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect Nina Jankowicz's resignation from the Department of Homeland Security, framing it as a victory against authoritarian overreach while mocking her claims of harassment. They critique President Biden's cognitive lapses, contrasting him with George W. Bush, whose slip referring to Ukraine instead of Iraq allegedly exposes modern leadership incompetence. The hosts further refute Biden's assertion that Putin caused recent gasoline price hikes and condemn the government's handling of the baby formula shortage, arguing it demonizes families during a crisis exacerbated by regulatory delays. Ultimately, they promote their mission to build a libertarian movement capable of challenging federal power and influence. [Automatically generated summary]
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Government Overreach and Neutrality00:14:18
Fill her up.
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We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Heart of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith.
He's Robbie the Fire Bernstein, also known as the King of the Caulks and the Jesus of the COVID.
What's up, my brother?
How you feeling?
I'm all right.
I don't like booking tours.
I've been pulling a rolling stones real early into my career.
Come out for summer porch story because this is it.
That's it, Rob's.
Rob's.
Yeah, I don't know.
Logistics aren't for me.
It's for other people.
Well, there you go.
We'll take a break till I'm so wealthy.
I got a manager who just does it and then takes too much of my money.
It's going to, we're going to go through a three-year stretch until I build to there.
Until you build to letting somebody manage your money and steal all of it from you.
Oh, there you go.
Well, I will tell you, dude, I'm getting pretty goddamn excited for Reno.
I'm really looking forward to this.
This is, it's a week away now.
And this is not only is it going to be a lot of fun, we got two stand-up shows and a live part of the problem podcast there on Thursday night, but then Friday, you know, Friday night, we have obviously Friday all day is the national convention.
Then we have the Mises Caucus Bash Friday night.
I'll be speaking at that.
A lot of great people are going to be speaking.
That was a hell of a poster.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's going to be like a historic night in the liberty movement.
And this is, this is kind of it.
This is the big one.
You know, this whole project that we've been involved in in the Mises Caucus of the Libertarian Party, it's all kind of been leading to this national convention.
Our camp, the Mises Caucus, has they're running people for every single position.
We're coming to take the whole thing.
And this is, it's just, you know, it's going to be glorious.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
So I'm really excited about this and just excited about the future of everything we're going to do with the Libertarian Party.
I think it's a really cool thing.
And actually, you know, I think a lot of what my vision is and why I think it's really worthwhile to be doing what we're doing in the Libertarian Party is kind of related to the story that I wanted to open up with today.
So maybe after we talk about this for a little bit, I can try to connect all these things together.
So, Rob, I know you're devastated to learn this, but the Ministry of Truth is no more.
That's confusing.
Yeah.
Now I don't even know what's true and what's disinformation and what's misinformation and what the difference between disinformation and misinformation is.
And I know you explained this to me recently, but I still don't exactly remember what you said.
And it's tough.
It's like all of the sudden, you live in a world where you're like, okay, we need to know what the truth is.
So obviously the government has to tell us what the truth is.
This must be handled by the Department of Homeland Security.
Otherwise, how would you have truth?
And then all of a sudden, the government's like, well, we're not in the business of telling you the truth anymore.
And you're like, so now there's no such thing as truth without the government telling us what it is.
I don't know.
Are we talking right now?
Is this a podcast?
Is that true?
Is that disinformation?
Is it misinformation?
I don't know.
I don't know what's happening around me, but it's done.
I mean, I guess technically they said it's been paused and that.
They'll revisit the truth.
We're on a truth hiatus.
Yes, that, well, that lady, was it Nina, whatever her name is, she stepped down from the Department of Homeland Security.
So she's not going to handle the truth.
And like, I don't know, who better to decide what is and isn't truth than this 29-year-old ding bat?
Like, who else are we going to get in there?
I don't know.
Who could fill those shoes?
So anyway, the whole thing is kind of, it just, just like that, it happened.
And just like that, it seems to be done.
Well, I don't think I know I got a lot on this one.
This is a juicy meatbone right here.
I will start with, I don't think it's done.
I think they lost the public relations battle and realized that they can't do it publicly and that they actually thought that they might be able.
They actually thought that the world might be so on board.
It's kind of like when they almost tried to take over the internet and have it regulated by the FCC, but then they lost that battle.
What was that called?
I forgot what they were calling that.
The SOPA bill.
Is that what you're talking about?
No, like the open internet thing or the net neutrality.
Net neutrality, right?
They tried with net neutrality that didn't pass.
That didn't sell.
So now they're trying to figure out new ways to regulate the internet.
They've done a pretty good job of basically just bullying these tech companies, which are not free individuals.
Don't kid yourself that it's a free market.
Oh, come on.
Yeah, they're taking their marching orders.
This is government censorship.
We've even had Saki say it that she talks directly to the tech companies.
They give them lists of people to be banned.
And so they thought that they were going to be able to pass a disinformation misinformation board.
And the market was like, oh, no, we're not doing that in America.
And so they can't do it openly, which is great.
That's great that at least people were wise enough to be like, hey, that's terrible.
In classic fashion, the lady goes, well, I don't want to distract from the mission, but how do you go from being the one person who can provide the world with, you know, walking this line of not being misinformed from Russia to being like, oh, you know what?
Maybe I shouldn't be there.
Like, how do you have both of those things at the same time?
It's like, well, that's, look, there's a lot here to unpack.
So that's, I want to try to kind of get to all of this.
But look, I think what I think what you said is basically right, that they will continue to attempt to do these things.
It's not as if they went, well, we lost.
This is kind of how it works.
They, they throw out, they, they kind of feel out what they think they can get away with.
And if they, if the temperature isn't right and they can't get away with it, they pull back and then they try to do a tenth of it or 20% of it or 40% of it.
Or then they try to build back up to what they wanted before.
This is always the way that government authoritarianism works.
And then, of course, in times of crises, that's when they can really ramp things in that they wouldn't be able to before.
That's the Rahm Emanuel like point that he was making is that when there's a crisis, we could get, you know, all that shit we could only get 10% of before, we could get 90% of it now, you know?
So these moments are revealing in a lot of different ways.
And I use, like, when I've talked about this in the past, I use a few examples.
Like SOPA, which isn't what you were talking about, net neutrality, but it was a different attempt to regulate the internet.
That was a big one that failed under Obama, where there was mass outrage about it.
They pulled back.
They didn't do it.
Obama's war in Syria.
Well, Obama announced at one point that we were going to have another war in Syria, like an Iraq war in Syria, not just a covert war we ended up having.
Like they were going to send in the military and that's it.
We're overthrowing Assad.
There was mass outrage against that and he pulled back.
He didn't do it.
So there are these moments where they'll do these things.
And there's a lot that can be learned from these moments.
Like number one, you learn what the people in charge would actually do if they could get away with it.
And that is very creepy.
You know, it's like even when you think about like, look, if there's a bunch of things like this, but think about all the mandates that Joe Biden had that got struck down.
Like that OSHA mandate was struck down by the Supreme Court.
But if it wasn't struck, if it was upheld by the Supreme Court, that'd be the law of the land now.
And that'd be that.
And they would gladly do that.
They would have ruined millions of Americans' lives.
Huh?
Free rent forever.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
There's like a lot of these things.
And you see this all around.
Like, okay, yeah, they would really do a lot more.
Look, even the things that aren't quite as, you know, it's not quite as important that people, you know, when you're talking about people's lives being ruined, but like wearing masks on planes, that would, they didn't pull that back.
A court struck it down.
You know what I mean?
Like, so you, you realize, okay, this is what they would do.
They would have us masked up and jabbed up for, you know, eternity if they could get away with doing it.
It's a harsh reality to swallow that there are many very powerful people in this country who would have us under like a brutally totalitarian system if they could, even more so than they already have.
You know, like they would do a lot more if they, if they, we would really be living in 1984 if these people had complete control.
But then there's like the flip side to it.
And this is kind of like why I believe in the mission of the Mises Caucus and the Libertarian Party.
This is kind of like why I believe in doing this podcast and talking about these things.
Because the other thing, which is a more encouraging, optimistic, you know, realization that you come to when you see these things is that they can't get away with whatever they want to.
It's not as simple as these people have unlimited power over us and the citizenry is completely powerless.
It's not true.
Like there's a reason why they utilize propaganda.
And there's a reason why they're terrified when someone like Elon Musk says he's going to buy Twitter and let everybody speak and they won't be able to censor people.
This scares them because they understand that they need to control the public perception, that they need this or this whole thing doesn't work.
There's a reason why you needed such a mass propaganda campaign to go along with all of the COVID tyranny because it wouldn't work without that.
And they understand that.
At least that's true in their estimation.
And that's also true in my estimation.
I think they're right.
I think they know that they couldn't just do it, that they need to propagandize people first in order to get enough of the population to accept that this is happening because it's the right thing to do.
Oh, disinformation is such a big problem.
So we need this board on disinformation or whatever, right?
This is why they beat this message into people over and over.
This is like why when we play clips from the corporate press TV shows, they're saying the same thing over and over and over because they know if you just say Trump-Russia collusion 100,000 times, there will still, there will be a percentage of people who just believe that that's the story.
That's what happened.
And to some degree, understandably, you know, do you ever see those polls, Rob?
I don't have the like numbers off the top of my head, but there's, if they look at the percentage of people who still believe that Donald Trump was involved in a conspiracy with the Russians, like even after all this, there's still a percentage of people who like are like, oh yeah, I mean, I don't know, we were told that.
And it kind of makes sense in a way.
Like it, if you think about the way that human beings work, and we all work like this, is, and this is kind of has to do with, you know, the division of labor and specialization.
But human beings don't know about everything.
And I don't even mean everything in the universe.
I just mean everything in the world of what humans know about.
We know about a very small amount of things.
Like you might know a decent amount about two, maybe three things.
It's very rare that people know.
like actually know a decent amount about any more than that.
Like we're, me and you are both looking into computers right now and speaking to each other.
We have no idea how computers are made.
We could never make a computer ourselves, you know, but it doesn't, there's no need for us to know that because number one, it would take a lot of time and effort for us to learn that.
And somebody already has that covered.
You know what I mean?
And they, and we've worked it out with this beautiful thing called the market, where we can just kind of like pay for their, you know, their time and effort and what it takes to produce a computer.
And that's, okay, I'd rather plunk down a couple Gs once and never have to think about it again until like five years later when I need a new one because these things are designed to break because fucking Steve Jobs is a genius, but whatever.
That's not, that's not the point.
The point is that what we tend to do is defer to experts.
You know, like, I don't know, if you have a problem with like your like, you know, you have a problem with like your hot water pump in your home or something like that.
You take cold showers for the rest of your life because you call someone.
That's the way I'm going to do it with it.
Okay.
But let's just say you weren't too lazy and you called someone and the guy tells you what you need and you go, okay.
You just defer.
He's right.
You know what I mean?
Now, sometimes people take advantage of you like this, but usually if there's competition in a marketplace, it limits that to some degree.
But if there's like, I don't know, if, if, you know, like I, if my roof is leaking or something and a roofer tells me, well, we have to go fix this area of the roof, blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
I don't know anything about that.
I assume somebody else who's an expert does.
So for most people, they assume when a guy in a suit and tie on CNN is telling them something as if it's a fact, I'm like, well, okay, that's the expert in that field.
You treat it just like the way you treat everything else.
And of course, you know, like, as I've said before, you know, if you, if everybody in this country obsessed with politics as much as I do, if everybody in this country was as focused on stand-up comedy and politics as me and you, we'd all starve to death because no one's in the business of making food.
Politics Attached to Ideas00:07:04
You know what I mean?
Like it's, it's very good for civilization that we all, you know, focus on different little areas.
And what that means is that we just trust other people.
That's kind of now the problem is in politics, it's a game of power.
And so there's a massive amount of corruption because power tends to corrupt.
So that's the issue there.
But the point is that this is why propaganda is effective, but that propaganda is necessary to get these guys, like their plans, like off the ground, and that it doesn't always work.
And so if you see that, and then like, if you're a libertarian, to me, you realize like, okay, so here's the issue.
We have like the most evil force in the world, which is the U.S. federal government.
And they're in the business of propagandizing the population to get all of these evil things through, all the stuff that they want to do.
And, you know, the idea of seizing political control from them, that's, that's a, that's a long shot.
I mean, set up the way we have it set up now under a quasi-democratic process.
I mean, you have to get large, large numbers of people.
You have to really, I mean, you have to get whatever it is, you know, 70 million people or something like that to win a national election.
That's pretty tough.
Even if you win the election, they've got a lot of mechanisms of power to deal with that.
It's not as if if a really great president got in there, that would be enough to turn this whole thing around.
There's a lot of three-letter agencies.
There's the whole corporate press apparatus.
There's just a lot of stuff that you'd have to get through.
So that's pretty difficult.
But where we can fight a battle of sorts and not as dangerous of a battle is to kind of like counter the propaganda.
And libertarians are in kind of a unique place now where we can, because of the internet, at least for right now, we can get our message out to, you know, large groups of people.
And it doesn't necessarily, you don't necessarily need to win over 51% of the voting population.
You can fuck with the margins.
You know what I mean?
Like, as long as you, if you win over enough, that's the margin, whatever the margin was, where it was like, okay, enough people are not having this Orwellian ministry of truth that it ends up getting shut down.
That's what all we need is those margins.
You know what I mean?
Like make them a little bit different.
It's not really the vast majority of people don't even pay attention to politics.
And if they do, they're complete followers.
It's like society is run by like the 5-10% of people who are actually influential and actually really care about a thing in a given field.
And we have a really golden opportunity to do that, to like counter the propaganda, like make our platform as big as possible, kind of create our own community, create our own culture that supports like a free, you know, order.
And I think in order to do that, it's really important to be attached to something that's like our home base and like our, and, and in like, and having a political party like the Libertarian Party, I believe it puts you in the conversation in a different way.
And that's just like what, look, I've seen people like, you know, like Tim Poole is an incredibly influential person.
He's got a huge podcast with millions of subscribers, right?
And he gets excited that the Mises caucus is like dominating the Libertarian Party.
It's like, oh, there's this third option now, you know?
And like you see him kind of like his eyes kind of light up.
He's brought it up a lot on the show.
Because kind of like, oh, look at this.
It's not just the Republican and the Democrat.
There's this other third option now, right?
And it's because we're attached to a political like machine that people get interested in this.
There's so many people are so interested in the idea.
So is Dave going to run?
He's going to run.
Ooh, that's kind of interesting.
Now these ideas are put up there against kind of like, now, okay, obviously, from a libertarian perspective, this is not necessarily ideal.
Like we're not, we don't love politics, but that is reality.
And that's the world we live in.
And so you see that, you know, look, I'd probably prefer if like Tim Poole and Rogan and like all these big, powerful, influential, you know, people were like, whoa, did you hear the Mises Institute is putting out a new Hoppe book?
This is incredible.
Okay.
But that's not the reality.
That's not what gets people like excited and interested in this.
What gets them interested in this is like, oh, this is someone might run for president or the Libertarian Party is now the third option or whatever, you know, that's what gets people into it.
And when you go, as I'm sure you've experienced this, Rob, too, traveling the country, and you see that there's like the Mises caucus is now tens of thousands of members deep.
And there's members in every city, in every state throughout the country, and they're so enthusiastic and so like involved in this thing.
Well, the reason is why is that?
Because there's like this mission attached to it.
It's like, hey, we're taking the Libertarian Party.
We're going to make it the sort of thing that libertarians can be proud of.
And like, that's a thing that you don't keep together with just a book club.
You don't keep together with just, oh, we're spreading these ideas.
It kind of has to be attached to like, hey, we've got like a thing that we're doing here.
There's a mission.
And I got to say, right now, with the ability to like amplify our message to more people than we ever have before, and with the state of the country where the government has failed everyone on such a monumental level over the last two years, now the currency being destroyed.
I mean, people can't even get fucking baby formula for their babies.
Like that, it's like this golden opportunity.
And so that to me, it's not discounting what you said, because what you said is completely right.
It's not like their mission's over.
They're going to keep trying to create a new ministry of truth.
Like they will.
But the fact that they couldn't do it when they wanted to do it makes you see like, oh, there's a weakness.
Like this monster isn't invincible.
It's like, you know, in like a, like a fucking video game and you're fighting this final boss who's this huge, big, scary monster.
And you're like, nothing works no matter what you do.
But then you see at one point that there's like one thing that hurts him a little bit.
And you almost figure out, you're like, oh, okay.
Like he can be beat.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's still daunting.
It's still a challenge, but you realize like, okay, there's a weakness.
You have to like get him looking that way.
And then he drops his arm and then you can hit him in this one soft spot and that zaps his life a little bit.
So I'm all for being encouraged in these moments.
We should be encouraged with our eyes open, not be, you know, you know, we should be cautiously optimistic, but that this is cool.
This is cool that like they had this plan to create this like Orwellian government board that was going to be the jurisdiction of what is truth and what is not truth.
And that it fucking failed.
Like let's enjoy that moment.
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Casting the Face of Disinformation00:15:09
It's a pretty big fail because I mean, first they just tried straight up to do it.
Then they tried to roll it back and go, no, that's not.
This is conservative spin, really.
This is just because it's for national security interests and it's only for overseas actors.
Very similar to what they do with the terrorism title, but it's got nothing to do with U.S. citizens.
We never wiretap you.
We don't need these powers for America.
It's all for overseas stuff.
It's to keep you guys safe.
And then they had to go, all right, this thing's so unpopular.
You know what?
Not a good idea.
So the two big wins here is one is it's hilarious at how bad they are at hiring people.
Like if you're going to hire someone to be the face of your disinformation board, like just think about if you were casting a movie and you got to cast a good actor in the part so that you can go and sell it.
Well, they cast the wrong lady.
The fact that there was that Mary Poppins tune and no one in government managed to spot the fact.
Like, that's as flagrant as, I mean, Shane Gillis, absolutely funny motherfucker.
It's too bad that he didn't make it to SNL.
But like at some point, the people who are screening who they're going to actually put on the show, I would think they have to do their homework of like, well, what have you done in other locations?
Are we going to stand by that?
And if not, don't make that higher.
This is this is like that kind of an oversight.
You'd think it'd be far more important for this job than Saturday Night Live guy making a joke.
Like you would think that like they're like for this job, you'd like you're telling me also that it's just how, you know, as I've talked about before with the new press secretary, it's just like how unimpressive this woman is.
Like you're telling me that it's so bizarre.
And I think part of it is that there's been this enormous like decay within the like elite class in America and probably across all classes in America.
But this, there's like this cultural rot.
And because it really does blow your mind that you're like, wait a minute.
So you're telling me you have access to like Harvard and Yale and Brown and Wesleyan and Georgetown or whatever, you know, like the kind of like all the like elite schools that are very, you know, in that mix.
And you're like, you couldn't just find one like impressive looking, articulate, smart person who doesn't have that video online somewhere to be your face for this thing.
Like it's just, it, it's really kind of shocking that this is the best they can do.
Anyway, this uh lady, what's her name?
Nina something.
I is that it am I getting it right?
Anyway, she was uh yeah, she she was uh she was on um with the uh uh Chris Hayes, who he's at MSNBC.
He's the the man Rachel Maddow, um, or maybe the woman Rachel Maddow.
Yeah, he actually might be the woman Rachel Maddow.
I don't know, but the point is, uh, he's he's her like protege.
Uh, but anyway, so she was on his show, and this was he's also an entertainer.
Yes, that's right.
I don't, I'd imagine, I'd hope so.
Sure, not a newsman.
I have watched this happen multiple times in my public life career.
Van Jones, when he was at the position of the White House, who was run out of office because he'd signed some petition, and Shirley Sherad, who was an officer of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, who said something wildly taken out of context.
Like, what was the experience of being the focal point of this sort of like massive frenzy like over the last few weeks?
Well, it was really overwhelming, Chris.
I mean, frankly, you know, I have prided myself over my career of being a really nuanced, reasonable person.
Again, as I said, I've briefed and advised both Republicans and Democrats.
I admire some of the steps that the Trump administration even took to combat disinformation, including Senator Rob Portman and his bills against deepfakes and funding the Global Engagement Center at the State Department.
So, to say that I'm just a partisan actor was wildly out of context.
And then, beyond that, it wasn't just these mischaracterizations of my work, but it was death threats against my family.
Over the last three weeks, I have maybe had one or two days I didn't report a violent threat, something like we're coming for you and your family.
You and your family should be sent to Russia to be killed.
Encouragement of me to commit suicide.
All of those have been forwarded to the Department of Homeland Security's security services.
And, you know, that's not something that is American.
That is not how we should be acting when we have disagreements about policy in this country.
I think we need to learn how to be adults in the room.
And I don't have time for that childishness.
I'm not going to let it silence me.
I'm going to go forward and continue building awareness about this threat in the future.
All right, Neo Jankwitz.
I'm very sorry.
All right.
So it's interesting in many ways, right?
This is their playbook because, you know, we have to be the adults in the room.
The woman, you know, singing disinformation songs on TikTok.
Un-American concerns.
I refuse to hear her say that anything's on.
You know, it's un-American?
Creating a disinformation board where you're trying to create a domestic terrorism title and you don't allow people to have free speech.
Yeah.
She looks like someone made merge the saw guy and Caitlin Jenner into like a Muppet.
Fuck this lady.
She couldn't look any crazier.
Well, even which.
But isn't it amazing, Rob, right?
Like, so this is what.
So we have to be the adults in the womb in the room, says the woman who sings songs on TikTok.
It's un-American, says the woman who is creating a ministry of truth or heading was going to head the ministry of truth for the Department of Homeland Security.
By the way, the whole thing, the whole department is so un-American, like homeland.
Like it sounds like something like Russians in the Soviet era would describe like there anyway.
And so, and of course, what is always the narrative here is like, she's the victim, right?
She is, she's really the victim here.
They're so worried.
You know, it's so awful that I've been harassed so much online, says the woman whose position was going to be to label others as spreading misinformation online.
You know what I mean?
Like they always find a way to pretend that they are the ones being posed being imposed upon.
They're not the imposers.
You know what I mean?
Like they're not.
We saw this the other day with that lady who we were mocking who wrote about the libs of TikTok account.
They always find a way to paint themselves as the victims.
I don't understand how she can be resigning.
Does she have no character to stand by the truth that she had to offer humanity?
Well, it is interesting.
And he's just like, you know what?
It seems like you're not into my 10 commandments.
So this is.
Yeah, this is her story.
Smashed it.
Yeah, that is true.
But so, but this is her story: is that basically like, well, I'm a very reasonable, nuanced person.
I'm not a partisan.
I always love this.
You know, it's like, first off, I'm not saying no one ever called her a partisan, but it's not as if that was really the critique.
Like the critique was that this is like fucking Orwellian and insane.
And like the idea that she's like, well, like they use this as their thing.
It's always, it's like they're still playing in the 2003 like universe.
But they're like, well, I support establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans.
See?
Right.
So I'm not, I'm not Orwellian.
I mean, I, you know, I like the wide spectrum of Hillary Clinton all the way to Mitt Romney.
You know what I mean?
Like, what are you talking about?
It's like, yeah, yeah, we know what Americans are on to this.
That's all the same team.
Those aren't different teams.
Like, okay, yes, we get that.
There's no difference between those people.
Jeb Bush and fucking Barack Obama are the same guy.
We know the jig is up.
You know what I mean?
So there's that, but her narrative here is really like, oh, they were completely misrepresenting what this department or what this board at the Department of Homeland Security was going to be.
And that's why we just can't do it.
And you're like, wait, so you're claiming that disinformation shut down the like the Ministry of Truth.
You're claiming that disinformation shut down your board of misinformation.
Like, well, how would you allow that to happen?
Wasn't the whole point of the world?
It's coming to an end.
Yeah.
Like, it's just so bizarre.
But, and then, of course, the thing that they always fall back on is like, well, mean stuff was said about me on Twitter.
So you know who the victim is here?
Me.
I'm the fucking victim.
Like, and they also do this thing because she's specifically written about this before, where, of course, then you go, and look, I'm a woman.
And so women can't say anything online without getting all of this harassment.
And as if men don't get harassed online, as if like vile shit doesn't get said about every single content producer online, particularly, bless you, particularly in this political space.
As if like, I don't have fucking people calling me every fucking awful name in the book every day online.
It's like, yeah, I don't know.
How much time can you really spend pretending you're a victim because of that?
I mean, like, at what, at what point?
But I get some people say some pretty, uh, some pretty awful shit about me online.
You know, I get called a Nazi.
I get called all types of fucking names.
I've been called a rapist because of that, you know, Joe Jorgensen thing she said about me.
That fucking dummy.
But okay.
So what if I like, how much could you listen to me being like, oh my God, like I'm just a real victim here and I get harassed online and this is a huge problem.
But like you're just like, all right, dude, like, get over it.
What are we, what are we talking about here?
Like, I do what I love to do.
I make a good living off of it.
I support my family from my career.
Can I really feel like a victim because there's some people who tweet mean shit?
Now, again, like I said, when she says, oh, these people tweeted, I hope you commit suicide, or they tweeted, I'm going to come kill you, or you should be sent to Russia to kill your stuff.
It's like, yeah, all right.
That's harsh.
That's not cool.
You shouldn't tweet things like that to people.
But for God's sakes, like put on your big girl pants.
You were trying to be the head of an operation in the Department of Homeland Security.
None of this should even enter the conversation.
The conversation should be about what the opposing arguments are to why, which you'd have to admit.
How could any like anyone not admit that there's very real arguments to like whether or not the government should be involved in the business of deciding what's truth and what's not truth?
There's at least an argument there at the very least.
So fucking take on that argument and make your argument.
But to just do this thing where they fall back, their fallback position is like, well, you know who the real victim is here is me.
It's just so wrong what happened to me.
Like this is also, I think it's a huge part of the growing divide in this country and why people are so furious with the corporate press and the political class in general.
It's like they really do.
Like imagine right now in this moment in America, when people are being destroyed by inflation, they've been destroyed for the last two years by the tyrannical COVID policies.
People literally can't get, you know, infant food right now.
They're worried about like, you know, the most terrifying thing you could have anxiety over.
But you're dedicating any time to talk about, you know what the real problem is?
Some Ivy League educated, privileged woman who's, you know, she had mean things said about her on Twitter.
That's really the issue.
There's a victim for you.
Could you think, like, how low on the list of actual victims are you?
And, but yet you still could like, I just couldn't imagine getting on television and talking about myself that way and thinking that like there's someone here watching this show right now who like lost their job in the pandemic.
You know what I mean?
Was on government assistance for the first time in their life, just got a job back that's a shittier job than they had before the pandemic at like 60% of the pay with longer hours and is worried about getting formula for their baby.
Someone watching that show right now fits that description.
And you're up there talking about like people said mean stuff to me when I was going to have a very public government position.
Like, how do you not like, how would you not just feel that as you're saying the words and go, oh, God damn, you know, like, I remember in 2020 when the fucking, like when the lockdowns were going on and shit.
And I was, because look, I'm, I mean, we're all people and we're all, you know, have our own self-interest and care about our own situations.
And I remember being like, I was bummed.
I lost a lot of money that year.
You know what I mean?
Like it fucking sucked.
You know, it was like, there's a lot of road gigs that I couldn't fucking do because of all that stuff.
But at the same time, you have a little bit of like awareness to go like, well, I mean, yes, I lost a lot of money, but so did fucking almost everyone.
And I'm not ruined by this.
I can still make money and do my thing on podcasts and still provide for my family and all of this.
So it's like, what am I going to spend time talking about how bad I feel for myself that I lost a lot during this year?
You're like, no, because someone listening to me has it fucking a hundred times worse.
So it's just like, it's, it's insane that they have no, they're so insulated in their own bubble that they actually believe like it's this, they actually believe that like liberal women having their feelings hurt is a really important victim story.
This is like a common belief in the bubbles of the most elite people in the country.
It's bizarre to watch.
But yeah, so that's it.
It's like, oh yeah, we tried to create this fucking ministry of truth.
It failed.
And, you know, everyone was just so mean to me.
It's just so awful that you were mean to me when we tried to do this.
That's the official narrative.
Kind of encouraging because that narrative is so stupid, it can't possibly work.
Going back to the stuff we were saying before, how important it is for them to keep this propaganda machine going.
This is such bad propaganda that it cannot possibly succeed.
And that's encouraging to me.
And I hope this lady sticks around for a long time.
I hope we get to get her opinion on all sorts of issues.
Yeah.
I mean, even though I guess it's a shame that government doesn't have the authority to ram truth down our throats, but at least as a reference, it'd be nice to know what the official stance on truth would have been.
Masterworks Art Investment Portfolios00:03:43
Yeah, yeah, really.
And maybe to get it.
Well, look at the very least.
Well, you would think at the very least, she could have been like, you know, all right, maybe we didn't make it exactly clear what we were doing here.
And it did sound pretty creepy and authoritarian and Orwellian.
So, okay, I guess a lot of people thought that, but we were only, it's like, it was never made clear what the sanctions were going to be for people who violated what this new board had decided were true or were not true.
What exactly were you going to do?
Like, like spell it out for me, you know, talk slowly.
Like, I'm a slow kid, really, which I kind of am, you know, so explain it to me real slowly.
What are you going to do when you've determined something is not truth and it's being spread?
Do Americans not have the right to tell you know lies or miss truths now?
Do you ever get punished when you tell something that turns out not to be true?
Because we got you on record with quite a few doozies.
So, what's what is this here?
They never explained any of that.
I guess the uh questions for the administration now is why didn't you believe in the uh the mission of the misinformation board?
Yeah, why would you?
It's such a big problem.
And what new measures are you planning on taking to combat misinformation?
Yeah, really.
I'm just so disappointed that you gave up on this obviously much-needed Ministry of Truth.
I've been listening.
You guys keep on talking about all this misinformation.
So, why would you abandon your project for having a board, a government agency to address it?
And what new measures will you be taking?
How would you leave us idiotic citizens out here all alone to not know what is truth and what is misinformation?
A guy just told me that the earth is flat.
Is that right?
No one's telling me.
No one's telling me if this is truth or not.
He's saying it's the truth.
Like, how would we possibly figure this out?
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War, Propaganda, and Leadership00:15:20
All right, let's get back into the show.
Well, all right, speaking of another glorious moment that, man, this is just beautiful.
I tweeted this video out earlier today.
Man, the internet's having fun with this one.
So George W. Bush, who is, in my opinion, probably still the great villain of the 21st century, really just fucking put this country on the path to all of the insanity that we have today can, almost all of it can really be traced back to George W. Bush and how much he just fucking ruined everything in this country.
And yes, I know that he was a puppet president who was manipulated by all the people around him, but I still feel comfortable blaming him for all of it.
And so George W. Bush was giving a speech.
He does not give a lot of speeches.
If there's one thing you can give George W. Bush credit for, he largely went away after he was out of the White House.
Good for him on that.
It's also partly because he was the villain of the 21st century and he wouldn't be too helpful.
It's not like a lot of Republicans weren't over the last 10 years, like, you know, it would really help is if I had George W. Bush out on the campaign trail for me.
You know, that's there wasn't large demand for him, but he did give a speech the other night in which he came out and condemned Vladimir Putin.
And it was just a magical moment, one for the ages.
Let's play that clip.
In contrast, Russian elections are rigged.
Political opponents are imprisoned or otherwise eliminated from participating in the electoral process.
The result is an absence of checks and balances in Russia and the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq.
I mean, of Ukraine.
Iraq.
Anyway.
75.
Here's the thing.
In contrast, Russian elections are rigged.
This is over.
Just perhaps the most delightful Freudian slip ever.
Him speaking to the George W. Bush Institute.
I actually, I got a hot take here.
Not a Freudian slip.
I think what he's looking to do is remind the world that presidents have been saying dumb shit forever.
And so you can be a world leader and absolutely fuck up and not talk or make any sense.
Because people are looking at Biden now and they're like, oh my God, we have a guy with dementia who's clearly retarded who's going to get us into a nuclear war.
So Bush comes out and he goes, no, the presidents have always been retarded.
It's okay.
You don't have to lose your faith.
And because you know what it made me think about a bit is that, you know, we compare presidents sometimes of like how dumb they are or how many gaffes they have or all of this stuff.
But you realize that you're like, well, Bush says that he's 75, right?
So he's like, you realize like, okay, Biden's like 79.
So we got Bush when he was what, like in his late 50s?
Like that was when he was president.
75-year-old, right?
Exactly.
Imagine Bush today.
We thought he was dumb back then.
I mean, today, oh my God, he'd just be making all types of fuck ups.
And so, you know, you realize it's like, all right, you got to, when you're, you know, judging Biden versus George W. Bush and who's more, you know, retarded, keep that in mind.
There's a little bit of a curve that you should be grading on there for Joe Biden.
Give him a little bit of an advantage.
He's doing this 25 years older than W was.
So look, man, I mean, what else can I fucking add to this?
He starts by saying, in contrast, he's contrasting the Russian system to our system.
And then he flubs up when he's saying, one man launched a brutal, horrific war in Iraq.
And it's, I mean, come on.
I don't know.
What could I add to this?
It's just so beautiful.
It's glorious to go like, yeah, how do you know?
And then there is, I got to say, I mean, look, I understand it's an awkward moment and there's a lot of, it's, it's tense, but the laughing in the room, you're like, yeah, all right.
I guess it's kind of funny.
Maybe not so funny to the people in Iraq.
If, you know, something in the neighborhood of a million people died as a result of that war.
So to their family, that may not be so funny, but it's, it is quite a reminder.
And it just, it kind of sums up everything that we're always talking about with this war, like who the fuck these people are.
Who is George W. Bush?
To like look down his nose or like condemn somebody else for leading a war of aggression.
Um, now also, I mean, I guess the other thing there is just it's it's pretty funny where they go.
You know they're criticizing, uh Russia because their political opponents are dissolved or disappeared and that opposing parties don't get a fair shake in their election.
It's you know, yet when we're talking about Ukraine, none of that ever seems to uh come up, as if there's none of those issues going on in that country.
So anyway, it was uh, it was quite a moment.
It was.
I gotta say I enjoyed it perhaps more than I should.
I don't know any other thoughts on that.
I mean, pretty great clip.
Let's get the guy to give more speeches.
Yeah, definitely he's.
Uh, you know, if I had my way, he could be giving speeches every single day from his uh maximum security prison where he would spend the rest of his life after being convicted in a court of law.
Isn't it great that somebody in somebody in the deep state because they only?
The only time I remember Bush coming out of hiding was uh, there was one thing where him, Clinton and Obama they something about.
You know, the president should be nice and dignified.
It was like a nice little propaganda Anti-trump piece I don't remember all the specific.
They marched.
They marched him out to do some Anti-trump stuff uh, when they kind of thought.
I think the thinking was like, well look, I mean, George W Bush did win a Republican primary and those Republicans did vote and elect him.
Maybe there's going to be some people who he can peel off you know what I mean.
And he came out.
They had Mitt Romney come out, they had all the the kind of former Republican nominees and and presidents come out to be like nope, can't go with this Trump guy.
So somebody was looking at this war and going, man Biden's not doing a great job selling this thing.
You know, we haven't heard from Bush in a while.
He did sell the last one.
He did sell two success.
He did sell two wars successfully, and those were really, let's get him off the farm, let's give him a chance.
And now they're like, oh, we're gonna keep someone else, go back, go back and paint more, Jesus Christ, oh god.
They're like, oh yeah, that's why we don't bring him out.
Okay, forgot about that.
Oof it is.
It is crazy though, to wonder what like is going on.
You know, there's something psychological, that moment where you say that it's almost, because it's kind of like it's very self-destructive.
Um, but it's very like, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know i'm no psychoanalyst, I don't want to attempt to analyze him, but is that like a Freudian slip?
Is there some guilt associated there on some level?
Or is it something?
Was he thinking of the comparison in his head?
Like, do you feel when you're, if you're George W Bush and you're criticizing another leader for one man making a decision to to lead a, you know, a brutal war?
Like, is that just in the back of your head, that like on some level?
Like man, I am the worst type of hypocrite right now for saying this.
I don't know, it just makes me think.
All right anyway.
Uh, before we get out of here, we got one more uh video from uh speaking of unimpressive uh propagandists.
Our new uh president's, liar uh, who is somehow less impressive than the last one.
Uh was at it again, mixing it up with FOX News's Peter Doocy, so let's play that clip.
Americans are now spending $5,000 a year on gasoline.
That's almost double what they did a year ago.
Where are people supposed to go to get all that extra cash?
To get the extra cash to pay for gas.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, one of the things that we've been very clear about is to do everything in our power to make sure that we lower costs.
You know, it is important we see it.
The president understands what the American people is going through.
And that's why we're doing everything that we can.
We've made multiple announcements in the past several months of what we're doing, whether it's the strategic petroleum reserve, whether it's the ethanol-15, to make sure that the American people are not feeling Putin's price hike.
This is where this is coming from.
60 to 70% of the current price hike that we have seen has come from Putin's aggression against Ukraine.
So the president announces on March 31st that he's got to lead steps to lower gas prices, and it's still Putin's fault seven weeks later.
Well, because what I'm saying is, since the war, since Putin's war, aggression against Ukraine started back in February, we did see a spike.
But before then, it had the price, the price per gallon had fallen down about 10 cents or more.
And then Putin started his aggression on Ukraine, his violent aggression on Ukraine against their democracy, against their sovereignty.
And we saw about, I mean, the facts show it went up about 60 to 70%.
So it is Putin's tax hike.
This is what we're talking about.
She can't even keep it straight.
Yeah, Jesus Christ, that was rough.
She looks like she somehow looks like Big Bird and Snuffalophagus at the same time.
Aside from that, I mean, firstly, she can't even keep the story right where she goes from the gas hike to the tax hike.
So she can't even keep her lies straight.
But I seem to recall that gas prices were going up prior to the Ukraine war.
I don't remember that they were dropping in price.
I don't think 2020 is the story of gas prices coming down and then skyrocketing once the war starts.
I don't think those little stickers with the I did it were prior to the war, from what I remember.
Yeah, you know, it's like it's funny because she could say that's like oil went down 10 cents a barrel or something like that.
But you know the way these things are.
Like even when prices are going up, they're not going just straight up.
It's zigzagging up.
So she can hold on to like at one point there was one little one day that it came down a dime and you could buy a hot dog and beans for 10 cents less in time for 4th of July.
Sure, you couldn't get chipped soda, beer, or beef, but the beans and hot dogs were affordable.
They, right.
Remember, they were bragging about this.
But no, look, inflation, price inflation, which is what most people mean when they talk about inflation, was a problem well before Putin invaded.
And specifically, the price of gas has been steadily going up since way before he invaded.
But regardless of that, you know, Joe Biden was the one, according to him, he was saying, well, these sanctions are the reason that this is going to increase gasoline prices.
So it's not strictly, you know, it's like when they want to blame everything that happened on COVID, but none of it on the government's response to COVID.
It's like, well, when you're taking this huge response to an action, then you would still own some percentage of what the results are.
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Um, but regardless, they said they're doing all of these things months ago to lower the costs of gasoline, and obviously none of them have worked.
The price is still going up.
Um, so it's it's just pretty interesting that, like, when asked this basic question, like, well, what are Americans supposed to do?
Her response is basically like, well, they're supposed to blame Putin.
That's what you should do.
Doesn't that make you feel better?
So, one of the things that's really interesting about this and why the propaganda is so ineffective is that you there's certain things that, um, you know, like let's say, like, okay, like the Hunter Biden email story, just to choose an example, right?
Well, if Twitter suspends the New York Post's Twitter account, and if they make it so that you can't share the link of that story, well, then a lot less people see the story.
So, that's effective, you know, censorship.
That's effective propaganda.
If people don't see that story, they don't know that it's a story.
They're not, you know, like influenced by the story because they never saw it.
They don't even know that it's a thing.
And if they did know that it's a thing, all they've what they've heard about it, or this is for a lot of people, what they've heard about it is like, oh, this is fake news.
That's why it got flagged.
This is a fake story.
Heads of the intelligence department say this is Russian disinformation, all that stuff, right?
So, for that percentage, that huge percentage of the population that either didn't see it or just heard that it's a fake story, they're now not influenced by it.
They're not persuaded by that story.
So, that's good.
But when you talk about gas prices, this is now you're telling the American people, like, who are you going to trust?
Me or your lying eyes?
You know what I mean?
Like, this is something that people know intimately.
They're filling up their car.
Like, they know the price at the pump.
They've watched it.
People know what they were spending for gas three years ago, two years ago, last year, right now.
They know that.
So, you can't, you kind of can't really bullshit people in the same way.
FDA Emergency and Baby Formula00:05:24
That's true, of course, but even much more profoundly for this baby formula shortage, which is really like just really unbelievable.
I mean, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, you know, as someone who has a baby, has two, you know, kind of two babies, but one, well, a toddler and a baby.
Um, try to put yourself in the position of someone who is like needs formula and doesn't know how the hell to get it.
You know, I've been seeing there's uh, there's more uh stories coming out now, um, about babies uh being admitted to the emergency room, uh, coming in with like disinformation.
According to uh, the White House, they're pointing to a study that uh we have 75% of the stock that we were before, so there's really no reason you might be showing up and seeing a couple less cans, but 75% of what was there, you know, in 2020 should be there now.
Dude, so whatever, whatever stories you have must be disinformation, I'll send you a bad they couldn't get that department off the ground.
I'll send you a picture from my supermarket of what the shelf looks like.
It's fucking you're just in that 25% of stores then.
Yeah, I guess so.
You just got to go down the block.
Yeah, well, I'll send you the picture I took.
And when I say I took, I mean, my wife took and sent to me.
But evidently, unless she's messing, unless she's knocking things off shelves and taking these pictures to somehow keep me.
Maybe she's, maybe my wife's been spreading disinformation to me this whole time.
Oh, wouldn't that be something to find out?
Now I'll never know because there's no ministry of truth to tell me.
Turns out my wife is a purveyor of disinformation.
She got her hooks into me.
Yeah, but so there's been these reports of babies coming into the emergency rooms with different like deficiencies, you know, like sluggish, lethargic babies, because either they're not getting enough formula or they're watering down formula.
There's been people who are trying to make it themselves at home, which is a very like difficult and dangerous thing to do.
So, yeah, like this is a major fucking problem.
This is like unbelievable.
And I've been thinking, I'll tell you, I can't get out of my head that clip we played a few episodes back with Jen Sacchi, I guess, at one of her final press, you know, press conferences where she blamed the parents for hoarding.
I just can't, I just kind of can't forget that.
It's really, it was really like, wow, that's like, it's basically demonizing the Kool Axe, right?
That's basically what you're doing.
Like, you know, who the bad guys are here?
The ones who made sure their babies aren't going to be in that situation.
The ones like, if you look, there's, I'm sure there's a lot of people who have like hoarded baby formula who don't to be in that situation.
You know what I mean?
One more time, Dave.
You just muted your point.
Oh, did I?
Do you hear me now?
Yeah.
Okay.
It said internet unstable for a second.
So I don't know.
But seems back.
I'm sure there are people who have hoarded baby formula, you know, who aren't like, don't feel great about that.
I'm sure they kind of feel like, ah, shit, it sucks.
Like that sucks the idea that anyone else isn't able to get baby formula.
But if you see the shelves going bare and you got a baby at home, you're going to do whatever you got to do to make sure your baby isn't the one who gets caught without any of this formula.
And then to see the spokesman for the government who shut down the company, who through their monopolistic rules have allowed to be creator of almost half of the baby formula in the country, they shut them down without a plan as to how to get formula to people who need it.
And then they turn around and blame you for making sure that your baby's not the one who doesn't get what they need.
Really, like, I can't believe how sick it is.
There's something very weird also about the reopening of that factory and that it took the leverage of baby starving and the bad press of the FDA for the FDA to come back to the table and go, all right, let's figure out how to get this reopened.
Yeah.
Like, what was going on behind closed doors that prior to these stories coming out, the FDA wasn't making itself available, I guess, to figure out, or there's some lack of transparency.
Either that factory is so dangerous that it shouldn't be reopened and the FDA wasn't going to do it.
And now all of a sudden it's an emergency situation.
And I guess they don't want to break up the monopolies.
So they're like, all right, we'll allow you to be reopened.
Or the FDA is one dirty, dirty business that for some reason they wanted to keep this factory closed or they weren't making the time to get it reopened until it became an emergency of bad press.
Yeah.
Oh, and when it comes to this, then all of a sudden, oh, we can act in a more quick manner or something like that.
They even, you know, saying these things like the FDA was asking for producers of baby formula in foreign countries to apply for FDA approval and that they would be fast tracked and blah, blah, blah, all these things.
And you're like, wait a minute.
So you could just always do this and never have us push to the point of where like babies would be going to the hospital.
Like how, like, there's, this has already been happening to some degree.
Who knows how bad it will be before this whole thing is over?
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But like, oh, it's like, oh, yeah, okay.
I guess in this one case, we'll stop fucking over the American people for a second, which is literally all that needed to happen to make sure this was all avoided from the beginning.
It's really, it's really something.
All right, we're going to wrap up the show there.
Rob, run down the list.
Where can everybody come see you, see me, see us?
So let's start with the us gig.
So big one coming up is there's Chicago's got to be sold out, but go check it out.
You know, scalp some tickets, show for Chicago Pork Fest.
We're going to be out there partying all day on Thursday, live podcasts, and then also a stand-up comedy to that show.
Other comics coming up with us.
Check out the Free State Project.
They got good work going on.
And we're going to, I think on that episode, we're going to have a guest on to hear some of their local victories because they keep making the newspaper.
Like they got some fun stuff where like people are upset with how many libertarians are up there because they're shaking things up, which is fun.
Summer Porch Tour is, I just got all my gigs up trying to get all these flights booked, but there's a link in the episode description.
I've got Pittsburgh, Seattle.
I don't know.
You name it.
I'm in a bunch of backyards.
So show up for those.
And you and I are trying to get a couple more dates on the books, probably New York, Philly, and maybe Syracuse.