Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein dissect the "Libs of TikTok" controversy, condemning Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz for doxing the anonymous account's operator despite her own anti-harassment stance. They argue that exposing educators discussing gender with young children reveals harmful school propaganda, while corporate media attempts to silence this by labeling the account right-wing propaganda and using intimidation tactics. The hosts highlight hypocrisy in how journalists weaponize harassment against political opponents while claiming victimhood, ultimately suggesting that mainstream outlets prioritize silencing dissent over protecting children from inappropriate content. [Automatically generated summary]
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House Looks Like A Cave00:02:07
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What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith.
He's Robbie the Fire Bernstein, COVID Jesus, the king of the caulks.
What's up, my brother?
How you feeling?
Happy birthday, Davey Smith.
Oh, well, thank you very much.
That's right.
It's my birthday.
I'm 39 years old today.
As I will be referring to myself for one more year, I am in my 30s.
Not technically a lie.
A little bit misleading.
But anyway, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
And yeah, I'm just having a nice day, hanging out with the family.
And now recording an episode with you, my favorite things to do on.
Yeah.
And I bet birthdays are nice now.
You got a nice little life going.
Well, I like, I mean, my life is nice.
And so birthdays are like, you know, it's like, you know, that old thing, which I kind of subscribe to.
Like, you know, people, like guys will brag about having like a man cave in their basement or something.
And I'm like, no, that sucks.
Like your house should be your man cave.
And this has been my theory with my whole life.
Like I just do what I love to do.
And so then it's not, it's not like on my birthday, I'm like, my wife was like, well, what do you want to do?
I was like, I want to hang out with you and the kids and do what I do.
That's what I want to do.
But this is what I love to do.
I don't know.
Record a podcast.
I love doing this.
I love talking about this shit.
I love doing stand-up.
I love doing comedy.
I love talking about libertarianism.
And I love having my family.
That's, you know, I try to design my life around the things I love.
Anyway, my house looks like a cave.
Gender Assignment Debate00:14:56
Yeah, well, there you go.
And Rob lives in an actual cave.
We can actually use someone to step in here and clean it up a little bit because this is a train wreck.
Well, I mean, it looks nice from here.
Looks like you got a black sheet up on the wall or something.
Yeah, there you go.
It's just everything that's not on screen is a disaster.
Rob's in his boxers right now.
There's just litter on the floor.
All right.
So for today's episode, I wanted to talk about this story that's blowing up all over the internet.
Many of you guys listening have probably heard about it already, but if you haven't, we'll kind of explain everything that's going on.
It is, I think it is pretty interesting and kind of revealing about, you know, a lot of different things, our society, the kind of wild, whatever you want to call it, like progressive cultural decay, the viciousness of the corporate press, a lot of things that are interesting about this story.
And I guess it's kind of on this subject that's generally been out there, you know, about LGBTQ plus whatever the other letters in that now are, issues with what's called the Don't Say Gay Bill in Florida.
And, you know, my take on this, and I think our, I think both of us, our take on a lot of this stuff for years now has been kind of like, look, clearly the establishment is trying to push these distraction issues.
I mean, if you just take a step back and think about the fact that like we're where we're at as a country, where, you know, like just we're living through the collapse of the empire, crushing debt that we can never get out of, the currency destruction, the rise of COVID totalitarianism over the last couple of years, flirting with nuclear war over a war between Russia and bordering Ukraine.
And so what do we need to talk about?
Well, obviously, we need to start teaching six-year-olds about transgenderism.
You know, it's like, it's so insane when you think about like, this is actually the conversation that's happening.
But of course, it almost becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy where as the establishment pushes these insane non-issues, they become real.
I mean, like, like now, once you're propagandizing six and seven-year-olds, oh, okay, this isn't just a distraction anymore.
This is actually a real issue that's that's worth talking about.
And so I guess that's kind of where I see like where we are with a lot of this stuff.
So basically, this story involves a few players.
Number one is a Twitter account called Libs of TikTok.
Now, this Twitter account has blown up.
They have just under a million followers on Twitter, and they're on various other platforms as well.
But their big one is Twitter.
Their account's been suspended a couple times.
It's active as of now.
I follow the account.
They're entertaining and interesting.
And they follow me also, which I just noticed this morning.
So, I mean, you know, how bad can they be?
They follow me, right?
They've got to be decent.
They're pretty decent people here.
That's right.
But it's an anonymous account, or it was an anonymous account.
But they post typically what they do is, from what I've seen, they don't even really make much of a comment.
I mean, they have made some comments, but typically what they do is post videos of, you know, insane people.
So let's here, just to get a little bit of a feel, here's a few videos from Libs of TikTok.
Giving this dude one last chance to get the fucking point.
This, we don't like this.
My community specifically does not like this.
You want to know why personally I don't like this?
Because when it's the parents' problem, that's how you get homophobic kids.
That's how you get kids like me with internalized homophobia until they're like 18 or 19 because they finally started going to fucking therapy.
If my parents had their way, I wouldn't know shit about the gay community or my own legitimate sexual identity.
I came out to them when I was 16.
You want to know what they told me?
They told me I was going to unalife myself because of this.
I was an already depressed teenager.
So when you say it's the parents' problem, understand that the parents are not going to make the best decision.
They're not going to educate their kids.
If it weren't for public school, I wouldn't know shit about the gay community.
Unless it's a private school, parents need to stay the fuck out of classrooms.
This is a tool I use to teach students about gender and sexuality.
First up, we have sex assigned at birth.
This is what the doctor says as you are when you come out of the home.
It should be based on chromosomes, hormones, and genitals, but most time doctors dress like a genitals.
Next up, we have gender identity, which is totally different from sex assigned at birth.
This is what you feel you are inside, and no one can see this from the outside.
There are three different sliders that you can move up and down to describe your gender identity.
Then we have gender expression, which is how you show your gender to the world.
It's usually based in a sort of binary system, which isn't perfect.
Again, you can slide these up and down to show the different gendered ways you express yourself.
Then we jump down to attraction.
We have physical attraction and emotional attraction.
These are different.
Again, there are sliders that a person can use to best describe their sexuality.
This incredible resource is made by the Trans Student Educational Resources.
You can go to their website right here.
They're an incredible community.
Okay, so it's videos like this, and there's many, many, many more of them.
Go ahead, Rob.
I was going to say this physical and mental, I just get boners.
That's it.
There's no two system of attraction.
And that's what Rob.
And that's what Rob teaches the kids.
Here's another option for you to throw on your chart.
So anyway, it's interesting what they do.
It's kind of, it's good.
Part of the reason why it works and why this account has blown up so much is because it is very clickbaity and it is just the type of thing.
They're quick clips.
They're easy.
They're easy to go trend, you know, trending.
You know what I mean, to go viral.
They're easy to blow up.
It's like, oh my God, look at this.
It's a very provocative, insane person that you're looking at in all of these clips.
And they got mentioned by Rogan, I think, on his show, and that helped blow them up.
And they're just, you can see why an account like this would blow up.
But there is a serious kind of service that they're providing here, which is to kind of take like to lift the carpet and show you the critters underneath.
And like, what's really going on here?
You know, so often when you hear about, you know, the kind of LGBTQ agenda or whatever, you hear it just, you'll see someone in a suit on TV or someone just saying, oh, well, we care about the rights of all people.
We care about trans rights or we care about whatever, you know, and it's like they kind of invoke this like, well, do you want to be a shitty person to somebody who's a little bit vulnerable or something like that?
But with all of the, you know, the corporate press and the 24-hour news cycle on cable news and all of the mainstream publications and stuff like this, you never really see this.
And for people like myself, I mean, I have little kids who aren't in school yet.
And I'm also not going to be sending my kids to government schools and stuff.
And, you know, and for people who are removed from this, a lot of us have never actually really seen this.
Like seen, wow, this is a video.
They have several videos of public school teachers talking about how they teach very little kids about all of this stuff.
Now, I don't know exactly what age group that one was for, but there was like a cartoon character on it.
Didn't seem like this is for 16-year-olds, right?
Seemed like this is for little kids.
And what you see, what's happening here with a lot of this, like, you know, we might just see Nancy Pelosi or someone like that talking about this kind of, you know, woke social progressive stuff.
But what you don't see is this, which is the genuinely mentally ill people who are encouraged by this and emboldened by this.
Now, just for the record to be clear, I don't hate any of these people.
I think a lot of them seem crazy and need serious help.
But when they're going after and poisoning the minds of children, that crosses a whole different line.
And I think that one of the dangers with a lot of this, the kind of woke progressive stuff is that a lot of the people who are more visible, who you see, they use it almost, it's like they're playing a game.
This is like a tactic.
This is how you can discredit your political enemies by calling them a transphobe or something like that.
But what you see in these videos that libs of TikTok share constantly is the reality of what it looks like on the ground.
And what it looks like on the ground is that these very, very emotionally disturbed people are emboldened that all of the giant corporations and political leaders and all of the institutions are basically telling them like, yeah, go for it.
You totally should be doing what you're doing right now, which is a very dangerous thing to tell crazy people.
You know, it's like, it's like telling the schizophrenic person, like, the voices in your head are real and they're telling you the truth.
You really got to listen to them.
You know, you don't want to encourage people who are mentally ill to give in to the worst of their illness.
You don't want to, you know, convince like, it's like if a germaphobe went to like a therapist and they were like, I mean, when you think about it, there are germs everywhere.
They really are.
You know, I heard this story.
It's so interesting.
I just heard this story about a guy who just died, just died from getting too many germs in his mouth.
Yep.
Just, you know, it's like, you really don't want to encourage the worst of their craziness.
And that seems to be what's going on here.
And I think another part of the service is that there's been a lot of conversation of, hey, they're trying to teach kids creepy stuff that's not appropriate to their ages or they're trying to indoctrinate them with this, hey, why don't you test out the other gender philosophy of a total gender neutrality?
And to be clear, I don't care if you want to be transgender.
It does makes no difference to me.
I think though, teaching it to kids makes no sense.
And I don't think you can possibly have scientific evidence that five, six and seven year olds can make an actual decision about their gender.
I just don't think you could possibly have the evidence of that because it's a phenomenon.
Well, the thing is that it's it's it's one thing if we were having a discussion about teaching this stuff to 12th graders, you know, to 17 and 18 year olds, which I would still probably have some objections to.
I mean, I just, I don't like the idea of teaching like anti-scientific shit at schools, you know, like they, they will say this stuff like that's just, I don't know, I think for any like rational thinking person is just but like it's like, you know, they'll say the, well, the, you know, you, what was your gender that was assigned to you at birth?
As if like the doctor is just assigning a gender to you, like just randomly just decided to assign this to you arbitrarily when in the overwhelming, you know, I know they'll bring up like intersex people or something like that, but in the vast, majority of cases, that's not true.
Like, come on.
It's not the doctor didn't just randomly decide, I think I'm going to call your first child a girl and your second child a boy.
Just, that's just what I'm feeling right now.
Those are their assignments.
It's like, no, I have a boy and a girl.
And the doctor's accurately, you know, like, I don't know.
Anyway, so there's just things like that that I find to be.
I think the more important part to me is that this is the actual proof.
It's like if we were screaming, hey, there's, they were screaming that there's racist people teaching in schools.
And then the conservative right said, absolutely not.
That's never happened.
That education never existed.
And then you saw people in Klukuk's Klan helmets or the hats online going, this is amazing.
This is my philosophy.
I get to show up every day in second grade and teach these kids that white is right.
It becomes a little bit hard to ignore the fact that it's actually out there.
So there are people that are looking to have a conversation about whether or not this is appropriate to teach to kids.
The response is mostly, hey, you're making a political issue out of something that doesn't exist in the world.
And then you got Libs of TikTok that comes around and actually posts literally post teachers who are in schools that have radical opinions that if most parents saw that teacher or was having a conversation with that teacher, they go, I don't want this anywhere near my kids.
So it's right.
So bringing the proof.
That's exactly right.
And so, and then, you know, like again, you could, I think you could perhaps debate the merits of teaching this to 17-year-olds, 18-year-olds, or something like that.
I'd still be pretty skeptical about that.
But the idea of teaching this stuff to like six and seven and eight-year-olds is to the vast majority of parents, disturbing is an understatement.
I mean, look, this is, I would die and/or kill before I'd allow my kids to be propagandized with this stuff at such a young age, because it's incredibly damaging and it's incredibly confusing.
Um, and it's just wrong on so many levels.
So, but the point, and then I guess from the libertarian perspective on this that I think would be pretty obvious is the libertarian perspective, strictly speaking, of course, would say, you know, people can do whatever they want.
Adults can live their life however they want to if they're not, you know, initiating violence against anybody else.
And you own your body, you can do what you want, which I do actually think is the, is the way the vast majority of people who oppose this stuff feel.
You know, it's not like, I'm sure there are some people who are just against transgender people in general, don't like them, whatever.
But I think the vast majority of Americans who oppose this type of stuff are like, yeah, whatever.
If you're an adult and you want to live your life as a transgender person, fine.
Like, that's fine.
But this is yeah, it's it's you'll be you'll fit right in.
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But uh, but this, from the libertarian perspective, what we're talking about now is government employees propagandizing children in a way that their parents would not want them to.
And so, what they're doing here is exposing this.
And as to your point, this does like disprove a huge percentage, a huge part of the kind of talking points of the Democrat establishment types who are like, this isn't happening.
You're crazy if you think this is happening.
It's like, okay, well, here it is.
This is proof that it's happening.
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Exposing Radical Teachers00:15:33
I also thought another part that was interesting to the Washington Post piece was remember if you remember with Hillary Clinton when all that WikiLeak information was coming out, and she goes, That's Russian disinformation.
Well, even if it came from Russia, if it's true, we shouldn't ignore it.
You have a similar thing here where they're trying to paint this lady as having an agenda or that people like Tucker Carlson are running with the information.
And so now she's driving like, you know, the right wing, whatever.
At the end of the day, they're finding real videos.
These are actual videos that exist and should be addressed if the left is under the assumption that, you know, if the left really believes that this is the way that education should be done, then they should own that and we should have a debate about it.
But they shouldn't pretend like it's not happening.
And then if you've got someone who's actually good at collecting these clips to drive the conversation and go, oh, no, no, this is happening.
It's there.
We should be talking about it.
It's going on.
It's not, then they try and dismiss it as, oh, this is a right-wing.
It doesn't matter.
They're collecting actual evidence.
Yeah, well, the idea that, you know, it's like, oh, this woman has an agenda.
She has a political point of view.
The person who runs Libs of TikTok, it's like, well, yeah, of course.
And didn't we all know that?
Wouldn't you have known that already just from the account?
Yes, obviously the person running this account is like against all of this stuff.
But like, okay, so she has an agenda.
Like we all have an agenda.
I don't know.
I have an agenda.
My agenda is for human liberty.
I'm very clear about that.
But so the Washington Post also has an agenda.
And so again, to your point, what matters here is who's telling the truth, who's making sound arguments, like all of that stuff is irrelevant.
So anyway, as Rob kind of got pointed to, the next player involved in this story is that Taylor Lorenz, who is a writer for the Washington Post.
Now, if you don't know who she is, we actually did an episode making fun of her a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, so let's play that clip of her again.
This is what we were making fun of the other day about this Taylor Lorenz lady.
I had severe PTSD from this.
I contemplated suicide.
It got really bad.
You feel like any little piece of information that gets out on you will be used by the worst people on the internet to destroy your life.
And it's so isolating and terrifying.
It's terrifying.
I'm so sorry.
It's overwhelming.
It's really hard.
All right.
So there was her.
She is not only a terrible journalist, she is a terrible actress and a terrible person.
So this woman wrote a piece in the Washington Post doxing the woman behind Libs of TikTok just a few weeks after putting on this performance here where she's crying about people being doxed and being harassed and threatened.
So she just did the same thing that she's complaining about, except from the Washington Post, not just from the, you know, some random Twitter account or something like that.
It really is unbelievable.
And so we could get into the article a little bit.
The article was such trash, such a like malicious.
She talked a woman.
I mean, she knows the dangers of being a woman after being, I don't think the way to say it is a woman, but of being a female after your dox, she knows the danger.
She's lived it.
And now she's just going to expose this other young lady to the world.
Right, right.
So it's, there's a lot of, oh, yeah, Brian, you have the video of here, play the video of her talking about doxing.
A bunch of people are asking if I'm going to write about the West Helm Caleb story.
No, I'm on book leave.
I can't keep writing pieces for the New York Times.
I literally do have a lot of deadlines.
But journalists who are writing about it, please speak to people with experience in online harassment.
I'm not going to lie, I've been pretty horrified by a lot of the media coverage of this.
A lot of people are just aggregating some of the cruelest commentary online and whipping it all up into a news story with absolutely no comment from Caleb or nuance about the situation.
The top story on Google yesterday was literally this House Beautiful story that doxes Caleb, puts his full name in the story, zero comment from this man.
After this whole article gleefully encourages this online harassment and doxing campaign, they literally use him to sell West Helm furniture through affiliate links.
Once again, commercializing a harassment and doxing campaign.
I think the media needs a total wake-up call in the way that they cover online harassment.
And this is just the latest example of it.
And reporters should be adding.
So if you remember from the episode where we talked about all this stuff, the whole piece that Brian Stelter was running with was like, oh my God, Tucker Carlson does a nasty attack on this person.
And then look, all of these people online start harassing her.
It's just so horrible.
And then this woman will go out and just doxes someone after she's sitting here complaining about doxing herself.
It's really unbelievable.
It's like these people are truly horrible, truly horrible people.
I mean, like they will play the victim, you know, and then use the exact same tactics on their political enemies.
In fact, far worse, you know, the same tactics at like a much larger scale.
But what's kind of interesting about this of what's really going on here is that, no, look, Libs of TikTok was exposing something that's actually happening.
And from the libertarian, you know, perspective, this is happening in government-run schools by government employees, you know, to children.
And this, this account was exposing a lot of that.
And so now you have the corporate press coming in to not only to try to silence these people from exposing the truth, but also to punish them and to make an example out of them, to let other people know that, like, oh, if you think you can anonymously start some account and start exposing what government employees are doing at government schools, well,
just know that you're risking everything when you do that.
So the Washington Post publishes this trash article, which gives out the woman's full name.
It gives out her profession and even gives out, they didn't, I guess they didn't put the address in the article, but they said that they here, let me pull up this section in the article that's relevant.
So okay, so they say When a reporter called the phone number registered to this woman's real estate profile and their website, the woman who answered hung up after the reporter identified herself as calling from the Washington Post.
A woman at the address listed to her name in Los Angeles declined to identify herself.
On Monday night, a tweet from Glenn Greenwald confirmed that the house that was visited belonged to her family.
So they're actually telling you where you can find the address to what is confirmed to be her family member.
And they're showing up there.
And by the way, there's a picture of it.
She showed up herself to this woman's house.
So she is complaining about all this online harassment and is going and harassing the family of this woman who clearly wished to remain anonymous.
It's really unbelievable.
Sorry, Rob, go ahead.
No, no, just to another female and with the power of the Washington Post.
So she's doing a worse version of what she was complaining about two weeks ago.
Yes.
Not just complaining about literally crying about how this is something that, you know, needs to be taken care of because it's scary to be living your life after this happening.
Yeah, that's right.
And the article in general is also just, I mean, just absolute trash.
They have these things that when they're going after the woman, they're going after her basically for being a right-winger.
Like that's basically the thing.
Well, look, we figured out she's actually a right-winger, like as if that's supposed to be some huge crime.
I mean, of course, it really is unbelievable too when you go like, you know, they, if you listen to the way the article, you know, like makes the case, it's, you know, they're basically like, well, look, the huge crime here is that she's a Trump supporter and, you know, sympathetic to Republicans or whatever.
And it's like, okay, well, something like 73 million people voted for Donald Trump.
So it is the opinion basically of the Washington Post that these people are all evil.
And it's like, okay, there's a huge percentage of the country you're talking about.
And then are you really surprised why this huge percentage of the country hates the corporate press?
You know, it's like, well, you've decided that they're your enemy.
So anyway, so she says in the article, you know, like they kind of describe some of it was very interesting what they chose to link to and what they chose not to link to.
So there were things where they describe a video of that they'd say a video of a woman teaching sex ed to children in Kentucky.
But they don't link to that video.
Because if you link to the video, it's like, oh yeah, they don't really want you to see what they were exposing.
But they did say she said in the article that the woman who runs Libs of TikTok, quote, minimized COVID, that she minimized COVID.
That this was amongst her crimes on her old Twitter account where that she was minimizing COVID, which is, of course, just hilarious.
But here's the actual, this is what they link to in the article.
Okay.
This is a tweet from November of 2020.
Try to put yourself back in November 2020.
And this is what the tweet said.
Okay.
She said, why I love COVID?
And then there's a list.
Stays away till 10 p.m. so we can go about our lives during the day.
Doesn't infect Santa's.
Doesn't spend, doesn't spread if you're rioting or looting.
Doesn't show up to Black Lives Matter protests.
Immunize Newsome with magic.
So they claim that this was minimizing COVID, but what is this obviously doing?
It's mocking the hypocrisy of the official narrative on COVID.
That's what she was doing.
It's not even minimizing COVID, whatever that would mean.
It's not even minimizing COVID.
It's making fun of the ridiculousness.
When she's talking about 10 p.m., she's talking about how there were curfews in a whole bunch of these cities, which made no sense at all.
Like you can be out during the day, but you can't like what.
that we can be out all day, but we can't be out from 10 to 1 a.m.
Why?
This makes no sense.
She's making fun of the fact that they were still having, you know, that they were still okay with the rioting and looting and still okay with the Black Lives Matter protests, but then they were limiting, you know, outdoor capacity at different events.
That's what she's making fun of.
She's making fun of how Newsome wasn't wearing a mask publicly.
So it's like, there's just like a bunch of stuff like that.
It's just a garbage article.
No, I was going to, that perspective shows a marriage to censorship that a joke, which is actually a good joke and really does get to the core of the hypocrisy of, wait, these policies don't make sense.
So if you're, I mean, if you're a media agency, you're interested in truth, you would celebrate humor that kind of pokes, hey, the holes in, you know, restrictive government without science or sensibility.
It just shows an absolute marriage to a censorship platform where you're like, oh, this person's pointing out common sense and we can't have that.
That minimizes the what, COVID?
Like even that's a broad stroke of what exactly it's undercutting.
Like, what is it that you're looking to protect?
It's not freedom of thought.
It's not questioning government edicts, like, especially if they're not reason.
Right.
Even if the woman was minimizing COVID, whatever that means, if she was saying COVID doesn't really kill people or something like that.
And you go, so for that, she deserves to have her identity exposed in the Washington Post and her address and her job and all of this stuff.
It's just like, it's insane.
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And, you know, I will tell you that, you know, as a libertarian, in the strictest sense, I guess you can't say doxing is an act of aggression.
You know, you're technically just giving information.
You're not really inciting violence exactly, technically, but it really is in effect an act of aggression.
I mean, like, what is the purpose?
What is what, like, what could this woman even argue?
What is the purpose of giving her real name?
What is the purpose of giving where she lives and what her profession is?
Why?
Why would you do that?
Other than as a threat, other than to know that, look, I'm putting this in the Washington Post and some of these people, think about it.
account is like really um mocking and exposing some very unstable people don't you kind of give out that information in knowing that some of these unstable people will get a hold of this person's information i mean like how should we really think about this otherwise what is the what could possibly be the point of giving out someone's personal information like this it's not relative to the story at all And she could have done the whole story without saying giving her name.
Doxing Controversy Explained00:08:28
Even if she wanted to get into her previous Twitter accounts, she could have just been like, well, you know, this person wants to remain anonymous.
So we'll refer to them as whatever, you know, like they do in articles sometimes.
Let's call her Mary.
Okay.
And then just talk about it like that.
You could have written the whole piece.
It's really interesting when you realize like it's like, well, what do they resent so much about this?
Well, what they resent is that here you have an account that is blowing up.
You know, and Twitter, when you have like an account with several hundred thousand, you know, followers, that then you can reach tons of people.
I mean, you can get millions of impressions on your tweets.
And Libs of TikTok has more followers than almost all CNN shows have viewers, you know?
So this is what they resent.
They resent that somebody can actually do, ironically, actually doing more real journalism than the corporate press is.
Libs of TikTok is actually showing people, well, this is what's going on.
Here's the video proof of it.
And as I pointed out before, I think it's worth mentioning that at least 90%, at least all the stuff I ever see from them, there's no comment involved, really.
It's just like, here's the video.
Here's the video.
Speaks for itself.
I mean, what do you really have to say about some of those videos that we played?
Do you really have to make the point that like, oh, I think this is crazy?
It's like, don't just play those teachers.
I mean, I haven't gone to validate that all these people are teachers.
They seem to be.
And I feel like if you track them down, they wouldn't even be embarrassed about what they said.
It's actually people being online.
Yeah.
It's not as if they're putting it online prideful of the fact that they have the opportunity to teach kids and that it is their important and sacred mission to use that time to make sure that they have knowledge in the topics of gay and transgender sexuality.
Yeah, I mean, it's it's people again, it's not as if libs of tick tock was going around or like hacking into people's computers or stealing people's phones and making public videos that were private.
These were people who were gleefully attention seeking and putting these videos out.
They're amplifying them for sure.
But it's like, I don't know.
They're exposing something that's going on here, something that's going on in our culture that is pretty profound.
That I think, you know, most normal people look at and go, wow, this is really crazy.
And as I said before in the beginning, it's very different from what is put forward publicly about what we're really talking about here.
Oh, we're just talking about trans rights.
We're just talking about, you know, a vulnerable group, marginalized group of people having all the rights that everybody else has.
That's very different than saying, we are like, you know, we are sending mentally ill people to go propagandize your children.
It's a very different thing.
So, you know, reading from the article, there's a quote from the media strategist for the ACLU who says, the role I've seen this account playing is finding new characters for right-wing propaganda.
It's relying on the endless stream of content from TikTok and the internet to cast any individual trans person as a new villain in their story.
So that's how they're spinning it.
That they're saying that every trans person is a new victim.
But that's just objectively not what they're doing.
They're showing you different people and how crazy they are in their own words, hearing from them.
And like, yes, they're using the endless stream of content from TikTok.
That is true.
Now, if the conclusion that you reach from watching those videos are, well, this is what all trans people are like.
Like, okay, but that's you reached that conclusion.
And I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion to reach.
But the reasonable conclusion to reach is like, wow, there are some really crazy people in this movement who feel very emboldened.
You know?
And they're teaching your kids.
And right.
And then they're teaching your kids.
They're emboldened to teach your kids.
So they say throughout its increasingly popular posts, and despite numerous media appearances, the account has remained anonymous.
But the identity of the operator of Libs of TikTok is traceable through a complex online history and reveals someone who has been plugged into right-wing discourse discourse for two years and is now helping to drive it.
So that's basically what she says before she goes into doxing this person.
Oh, they've made it very difficult to figure out who they really are.
So clearly they wish to stay anonymous, but through a complex process, we were able to figure it out.
And we're revealing her because she is a right-winger.
That's her crime.
It's really like just, it's unbelievable.
And then they go into her first handle.
This is the accusations.
This is the big why it's okay to dox her, I guess.
Under her first handle, she minimized COVID.
That was the link that we showed you before, not an accurate description.
She cast doubt on the election results.
My God, think of the crime, Rob.
Casting doubt about a government election.
And she promoted a dubious story about a child sex trafficking ring.
On November 23rd, 2020, she changed handles, identifying herself publicly.
She began doubling down on election fraud conspiracies, using QAnon-related language.
No link on that.
QAnon-related language.
Well, they're both in English, so everything is technically QAnon-related language.
That is true.
Oh my God, we're using it right now.
Oh, my God.
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
So it's like they literally, even if everything she's saying is true, which is disproven by some of her own links, what about any of this would justify this stuff?
And then to justify doctoring someone when you yourself are this fucking asshole who's out there crying about how you have, you have, quote, severe PTSD, you know, just like those soldiers coming from home from Afghanistan.
Same thing, this woman.
Like, I don't know.
I'll tell you, Tucker Carlson did another segment on this woman the other day.
And it makes you go like, good.
I hope, good.
I hope he did it and releases more of your information.
I mean, he didn't do that, but like, what?
You're going to do this to other people, then you deserve this.
You deserve to feel everything you're about to feel.
Early that December, she joked about launching a clothing line titled, quote, voter fraud is real.
Oh my God.
The crime of saying voter fraud is real.
How dare you think of starting a clothing line based on a factual statement?
Yes, voter fraud is indeed real.
Okay, so blah, blah, blah.
Started talking about Trump.
It's more just like this.
She was anti-Cuomo.
She was pro-Trump.
This is basically what it is.
They mentioned that Rogan, of course, mentioned the account several times.
And then her anti-trans tweets were going viral.
Of course, the anti-trans tweets usually just involve showing a video of a trans person.
Here's them.
Okay.
So anyway, that's the story here.
I just thought it was kind of interesting, especially following up as we did a podcast on this woman recently, but that this is what happens, you know, that they really are coming to ruin you and try to ruin your life if you commit the crime of exposing them, of not being with the program.
It's really something, really quite a story.
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Any other thoughts on this, Rob?
Lives of TikTok forever.
No, I was, I didn't even realize that Libs of TikTok tweeted anything other than materials from TikTok.
I didn't realize that there were opinions there.
So when I went there, I hadn't even realized that to me, the beauty of Libs of TikTok was kind of just being a like a almost like a Reddit type thing where it was just kind of feeding you a single source of information, which was people being batched crazy.
Yeah, well, that's that is primarily what I've always seen out of them.
I guess they do, you know, a few other things, but they, that is primarily the ones that have usually blown up.
But yeah, so they got the picture there.
You can see they have a picture of Taylor Lorenz, that crazy woman who was pretending to cry and wrote this awful garbage article.
They have a picture of her outside of the woman who runs Libs of TikTok's relatives' house.
With no sense of, hey, maybe someone else should write this article.
Yeah, like I was literally just out here crying on national television about this.
Maybe I shouldn't be, forget, harassing people on Twitter.
Maybe I shouldn't be showing up at their home.
Like as if that, they also, by the way, got the so let me see if I can find this.
Yeah, so they got, so I guess she initially like fucked up and traced it back to the wrong account and sent a message to this person's account that when she thought it was the owner of libs of tick tock.
And this is the message from her that she sends.
She sends the libs of TikTok and she goes, is this your, is that your account?
Please let me know ASAP because you're being implicated as starting a hate campaign against LGBTQ people.
If you're unaffiliated with the account, I would want to be sure to set the record straight in the story.
If it is your account, I'd love to speak to you about it.
I'm on blah, blah, blah.
If you want to give me a ring, let me know and hope to hear from you.
Isn't that, that's a threat.
That's saying, hey, I'm about to ruin you.
Here's your opportunity to get back to me because this is the narrative I'm pushing unless you wanted to get a call and set the record straight.
And setting the record straight is just the opportunity to implicate yourself more because they're going to cherry pick your words to fit into their article.
But it's so interesting to see that that's your little goody two-shoes that's crying on the news about, oh my God, I'm the victim.
She knows exactly like I was wondering if she was just kind of sick in the head and she actually does think she's the victim because she feels so shitty about the way that she operates.
No, she's an evil.
That's an evil.
Evil bitch.
Yeah, that's literally.
She knows what she's doing.
Yeah.
She knows a straight up intimidation campaign against somebody because they have different politics than you.
And their politics seem to be don't propagandize children with this incentive.
And they talk to you like they're the law.
You're being implicated in a, like it sounds like you've done something illegal, like that they're about to report on something that's illegal and you're going to be in trouble.
Like I understand like how people fall around.
I'd be like, oh shit, I better talk.
Like, wait, I'm being implicated.
I better find out what this is about.
And that's the trap right there because you actually, you're like, oh, shit.
I just, why am I being implicated in something illegal?
I better find out what's here.
That's why I always get a lawyer and don't play these people's game.
But I see how it works.
I could see why I would get that message and go, oh, shit, I better give this person a call.
What the hell is this?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Anyway, it's just, it's fucking disgusting.
And at least it's, it's interesting, again, because it's, it's one more example.
Like, I always, I see this a lot.
Um, like, I've seen this in my own, you know, public life and I've seen this played out and as a tool of the corporate press.
A lot is when they'll always start going to this kind of um.
You know, like this is something there's been a knock on the Mises caucus.
Um, this has been uh, it was a knock on Bernie Sanders campaign when the establishment was very concerned about him winning the the primary.
But they'll be like well, you create this toxic environment of online harassment.
You know they all become the victims all of a sudden.
Oh, my god.
I mean, people just online are so toxic and And, you know, my initial response to a lot of it is like kind of what I was saying on the podcast about this lady the last time, where you're like, all right, but I don't know.
Are people tweeting mean things?
Is that really that big of a deal?
Like, I understand you don't like it.
And yeah, probably people shouldn't do it.
You know what I mean?
Like, they showed the tweets that were going to her, like, you know, I hope you get raped or something like that.
And you're like, yeah, someone shouldn't say that.
That's a shitty thing to say.
But I don't know, block that person.
And now they don't exist anymore to you.
Like, is this the worst?
From the Washington Post that you've done something illegal and you might be like, but that's kind of the point is that it's like, oh, yeah.
And then in example after example, you see these people, oh, no, they actually are literally just manipulating you.
They don't care about people being harassed online.
They're quite happy to utilize that against their, you know, like the targets.
I'm seeing this happen all the time, where in the Mises caucus within the Libertarian Party, as we're kind of like becoming the dominant force in the Libertarian Party, you know, and for the last couple of years, we've kind of been on this thing where we've been taking more and more control of the party.
By the way, it all goes down in Reno.
And people will be like, you know, they'll be like, you lead, you know, these campaigns of online harassment on Twitter.
And I'm like, well, I don't lead any campaigns of online harassment.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Like, I don't know what to tell you.
And then it'll be examples where, you know, they come out and like attack me.
And then a bunch of people are like, fuck you, you know, on Twitter.
Like, it's okay.
I don't know.
So stop attacking people.
And then you won't have to deal with the people who like them being upset with you.
But then you'll see those same people will attempt to lead these like online attack campaigns of other people.
Like they try to harass other people the exact same way.
They just kind of don't have the numbers.
So it doesn't like, it just doesn't work as well.
But I remember seeing this with like with the Bernie Sanders campaign, where they'd be like, oh, the Bernie bros online are harassing all of the female journalists.
But then you'd look at it and they would just kind of be like calling out the corporate press for being awful.
And then the corporate press would be calling Bernie Sanders Nazis or his supporters Nazis and stuff.
And you're like, oh, but so that's not, how is that not just as bad?
You see this all the time.
This, this shit, it's like, it's a real tactic when they cry about how mean people online are.
They're quite happy to utilize those people online to go destroy their enemies.
So anyway, recognize the tactic and recognize what happened here, which is pretty interesting.
It's really pretty interesting.
A random citizen developed a big platform and was exposing some stuff that's going on in our society.
And for that crime, because she was doing it with the politics that do not line up with the regime, they literally launched an intimidation and, as I said, an ineffect threat of violence campaign against her to try to ruin this person's life.
Man, I really hope it backfires and it really blows up in this woman's face.
She deserves it.
Fundraising For Hearts00:02:46
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Don't forget, guys, me and Rob are going to be out in Reno right before the LP National Convention on May 26th.
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Big one is check out Run Your Mouth almost daily in the morning.
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So coming out for that and more dates coming at you.
Hell yeah.
Okay.
One more thing that I did want to mention because as we set up top, today is my birthday.
And I'm doing like on Facebook, I started a fundraiser for my birthday thing.
It's for this really great organization called Hearts for Emma.
They're a nonprofit organization that does a lot of really great work with helping out different, like they help out different NICUs and hospitals and they do all this stuff for kids who are born with congenital heart defects and for kids who need heart transplants and stuff like that.
A lot of people know my boy, you know, had open heart surgery when he was three days old.
It's a very difficult thing.
Very luckily for me, and of course, because of like the really amazing doctors and nurses and people over at Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital, he's doing great, which is the best present I could have gotten.
Healthy, happy boy.
But it really means a lot to me to try to do this.
If you want to get me a birthday present, make a donation to this.
No matter how small the donation, it really helps.
And they're a really great organization.
I spoke to the people at the Cardiac NICU where my son was and asked them like, what would be the best thing to donate to?
And they said they work with this organization a lot and that's the best thing to do.
So I will also share that link in this episode description, but it's the fundraiser is for Hearts for Emma.
They're a nonprofit corporation and it's up on my Facebook wall there.
So yeah, if you could do that, that would mean a lot to me.