Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect Hunter Biden's laptop revelations, arguing that suppressed emails regarding Burisma expose state-media collusion. They critique Dr. Fauci's flu logic as a pretext for ignoring natural immunity's superior protection over vaccines, challenging inconsistent COVID mandates like San Francisco's passport policies. Ultimately, the hosts contend that crumbling trust in institutions necessitates a liberty movement to reject censorship and dismantle lingering post-pandemic authoritarian structures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Roll Back The State00:01:16
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We need to roll back the state.
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Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith.
He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein, the king of the caulks, COVID Jesus.
What's up, my brother?
I'm doing good.
How are you, Davey Smith?
Very good.
Very good.
Happy to be recording with you this evening.
I am flying out tomorrow morning to go to Minnesota, to Minneapolis, to go to the Minnesota Libertarian Party State Convention.
I'm looking forward to that.
I'm doing a couple panels, I think, and then I'm giving the keynote speech there on Saturday night.
So yeah, that should be.
I'm with the cooler people this weekend, buddy.
This Sunday, Scott Orden and Clint, Connecticut.
We're going to be doing it big.
Seizing A Bigger Opportunity00:05:10
Oh, man.
Angela's there too.
It's the whole posse.
Oh, look at that.
Yeah, I know.
That sucks.
I wanted to fucking make it out to Connecticut.
We were fucking, I was supposed to be at this thing in Connecticut.
It got first.
This is back when I got the COVID.
And so I wasn't going to be able to make it anyway.
But then there was like a snowstorm and it canceled the whole fucking thing and it got postponed to now.
And I had already committed to this other thing on this date.
So unfortunately, we weren't able to make that work, but I will definitely try to come back there.
But yeah, that's fucking hell of a lineup.
That's a lot of great people in our little liberty world.
So yeah, anyway, so Rob will be up there in Connecticut.
I'll be out in Minnesota, both doing big Libertarian Party things.
By the way, this is it.
It is really crunch time right now.
The Mises caucus, you know, people call it the takeover or the Reno reset or whatever you want to call it.
But this is coming up in May.
It is, it's next month, basically, at this point, right?
Tomorrow's the 1st of April.
So basically, it's next month.
There's a couple more conventions left, and then this is the big one.
And this is it.
I'm like really excited.
Everything is fucking coming into place.
And this is going to be so cool when the liberty movement really, you know, grabs the wheel of the Libertarian Party.
And I think there's just like, there's a lot that we can accomplish, particularly just in terms of like really getting our ideas inserted into the conversation right now.
Just this huge opportunity where you really like, you see it right in front of you.
You know, it's like every trust in every major institution has completely crumbled.
You know what I mean?
Like everything.
I mean, the corporate press and, you know, it's, and even things as silly as like, you know, how people don't watch the Oscars anymore.
I mean, I know the slap went viral or whatever, but like people don't care about any of these, like the traditional like Hollywood things that had a grip on kind of the culture and the American psyche.
They don't even have support anymore.
Nobody trusts either political party anymore.
Nobody, you know what I mean?
Like everybody is just kind of like looking for some alternative to explain what's going on here because they know the official explanation is completely full of shit and for good reason.
We talk about a lot on this show why that is.
Probably that'll be a theme of today's episode also, by the way.
But so you have this moment and then you have these two political parties that are almost like it seems competing to lose with each other.
You know, like Scott said something about this.
He was on Kennedy the other night and he made a point about this.
I thought it was really, really on point.
Of course, when I say Scott, I mean the great Scott Horton.
And he said, like, he was like, you know, you look at the Democrats and they just.
He goes, well, you know, their polling is terrible, right?
Like Joe Biden's polling is just disastrous.
And then Kamala Harris's is even worse than his.
And you're just like, it's horrible.
I mean, they're like, everybody knows no sane person thinks they're doing a good job.
And Scott was like, I mean, their polling should be at zero.
Like after the whole, like being the complete pro-lockdown party and then pushing all the insanity of like COVID passports and then like pushing all this craziness with this like aggressive posturing toward Russia and all of this.
It's like they're, you know, if you look at inflation and gas prices and housing prices and all of this stuff, you're like, they should be polling at zero.
This should be the easiest thing ever for the Republicans to just win everything.
And then the Republicans come out and like, what's their criticism of Joe Biden?
Like, you're not tough enough on Vladimir Putin.
And you're just like, but here's the thing.
The entire, the Republican base, the Republican Party is like this like America first.
We don't want to get like they're over this shit.
You know what I mean?
Like they're, you, you could so eat.
And so they just come out with the most like tone deaf fucking message.
And tone deaf isn't really the way to say it.
It's more like they're in the pockets of the fucking military industrial complex, you know, but, but the point is like it's, it's, it's like it always is.
It's like they're almost competing to see if they can still lose.
And there's such an opening for the libertarians to really get in here.
Not like it has been in the past, where we're just like, hey, instead of 2%, we want to get 3% this time.
Fuck a percent.
Like fuck any of that.
I'm talking about like an opening to really get in here and kind of like do on, I think, an even bigger level, not because we're any better, just because the opportunity, the moment is better, but on a bigger level, do what Ron Paul did, which is like kind of offer American people this other option that they're like, oh, wait, there's this whole other way to look at things.
There's this whole other thing that I can get behind to support, which, oh, yeah, is what we're all supposed to be about anyway.
You know, it's like, oh, yeah, we're all supposed to be about liberty.
And I just think there's such an opportunity for that.
Great Shaves And Fair Prices00:03:31
And I'm really excited about what's happening in the Libertarian Party.
And I will say this to the people listening who did get involved.
If you are, if you've done what you're supposed to do and you're a delegate going to Reno, you need to get to Reno.
If you haven't booked your plane yet, you haven't booked your hotel yet.
Pause this episode right now and go do it.
This is the most important thing that we can do right now.
Okay.
In terms of this whole liberty movement.
This is what you need to do.
Go there right now.
You need to get there Thursday because they're going to be voting all day Friday and Saturday.
And it's going to be awesome.
It's going to be, you're, you're going to be.
Yeah, that's, that's the, the plan.
We got to, we got to make that happen.
And then the kids walk to the whorehouse.
Whoever wants to get in on it.
Celebrate freedom.
There we go.
That's right.
Well, I may not make that walk, but I will.
You don't have to go inside, but you come for the march.
Maybe I'll come for the march.
If it's on the way to my hotel, I might come to the march.
But anyway, make sure you're there.
You're going to be, you can come.
We'll set up a comedy show.
I'll make sure we set up a comedy show Thursday night.
And then you get to come be a part of legitimately some libertarian history.
It's going to, by the way, I know a lot of the shit that's going down at the convention that's not even like announced yet.
It's going to be awesome.
You're going to want to fucking be there for this.
I promise you that.
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Rejecting Censorship Abuse00:15:49
All right, let's get back into the show.
Okay, so let's get into some stuff.
There was a big story that just broke in the Washington Post there about your close friend, huh?
Six months ago?
No, this is a recent one.
What are you talking about?
Oh, okay.
My bad.
Oh, what?
What were you saying?
A six months ago story?
Yeah, I think this is from six months ago.
It's just a repost.
Wait, really?
It should be.
I'm fucking with you.
Oh, so you're actually really confused with that for a second.
I go, no, Rob, this is a new thing.
They don't repost.
I mean, it's old news.
Yes, I get your point now.
Yes.
Okay.
So this is from yesterday.
But yes, you're right.
Could have easily been from well over six months ago.
If they were honest, it would have been.
Yes, well, that's for sure.
Right.
So there was a story about Rob's close pal, Hunter Biden.
He'll be on the march.
He'll be on the march.
You just randomly run into him.
Him and OJ, that would be the coolest thing ever if they were just hanging out there.
Hunter?
Juice?
Is that you guys?
You're like, what?
Were you guys at the Libertarian Party Convention?
No?
So, yeah.
So, so there was an article that ran yesterday.
It's getting a lot of traction.
A lot of people are talking about it.
And it's interesting on a lot of levels of like, like kind of the joke you were getting at that went over my head that I was completely fooled by.
But that it's like, why now?
Why this?
But so evidently the Washington Post had conducted an investigation into the Hunter Biden laptop.
And this is, You know, a real deal, you know, one of the biggest newspapers in the world, putting serious professional journalists, you know, having a serious investigation to determine whether or not this is a real story, uh, and whether this was really Hunter Biden's laptop, and these were real emails, and these business arrangements were real, and all of this.
And after all of these very serious, professional people did a months-long investigation, they determined what we knew right away almost a year and a half ago.
What you could have just found out from listening to this podcast.
And again, I'm not, I don't even mean to say that, and I hope people understand this all the time when I point out, you know, a fair amount of the time how we were right about a lot of these big stories.
We kind of have this pattern of being right about a lot of these big stories that the corporate press is wrong about.
But it's not really a comment on how great we are or anything.
We're just honest.
Yeah, that's it.
It's just literally like you pay attention to what's going on and you tell the truth.
That's all this takes.
This is obvious.
It's a comment on how like awful and corrupt the corporate press is.
So, anyway, so they ran the story, and they, yeah, they basically confirmed, yeah, this is real.
It was obvious right away that this was real.
This was there was very basic reporting that was done that confirmed all of this a couple weeks after the story came out.
But yeah, it's um it's interesting on a lot of levels.
Um, I don't know.
Did you have any thoughts?
I've got a few different things there, but what any particular thoughts that you had about the uh the article?
Well, I think it uh speaks to the collusion between the state and media and the existence of what's clearly some sort of a deep state operation and uh communication between the two of what can be reported on.
Uh, it would appear like the Washington Post has advanced notice on the fact that Hunter Biden is most likely going to be indicted.
And so, if he's indicted, then it's a pretty horrible track record on the New York Times and Washington Post that they dismissed this story.
So, they're kind of getting ahead of it to go, they're trying to claim a little bit of credibility of, look, we still reported on this story kind of before government did.
So, there's some sort of a serious collusion here that now it's okay to report on.
Whereas a year and a half ago, it was this is so Russian disinformation and so flagrant, we need to wipe this under the rug and yell at anyone who's saying anything about this that this is disinformation.
Um, so I mean, the biggest thing is just for one, everyone needs to become anti-censorship because the ability of some government official to stand up and go, Here's the official report, and then for everyone to go, Oh, the intelligence agency said this, and so if you say anything else, you're a traitor.
We need to just get rid of that.
That can't exist in our culture anymore.
Uh, and for two, I think people should just be aware of the level of collusion between government and media that all of a sudden this is okay.
Uh, and I don't know, it's just kind of obvious, yeah.
No, look, I, yeah, so I think that's you're spot on with all of that stuff, and there's so much that's interesting.
One of the things just with what's going on in the world right now, one of the things that's so interesting about this story is that it involves the Ukraine and or Ukraine.
I know they don't like that anymore, it involves Ukraine and Russia, right?
So, it involves the fact that Hunter Biden is getting all this money in this deal from Ukraine, a Ukrainian energy company, and Russia being blamed for this laptop, you know, claiming that this was misinformation and that it was being used to interfere in the election.
And again, not just by the corporate press and by Joe Biden, but by actual, you know, spies and CIA operatives and former heads of the CIA, five former heads of the CIA, in fact, either four or five, said that, yeah, this is, you know, I mean, they didn't exactly, but they went, this has all the telltale signs, there's Russian fingerprints all over it, blah, blah, blah, all this shit.
So it's just kind of interesting that when you're in the middle of this conflict, where there's this narrative about how, like, you know, there's an unprovoked attack by Vladimir Putin, who's the worst person in the world, and Ukraine is this great country, and we all must support Ukraine in their defense against the invasion from the Russians, you know, and then here you have this story that's just like, oh, this is falling into people's laps, of course, was heavily censored, but is now they, they, for whatever reason,
which maybe it is that there's an indictment about to come down, maybe there's something else that we don't know about that's going on here, but or maybe they just feel like they have to, you know, report on it at this point.
I don't know.
But the fact that now you have this story out there just kind of reminding everybody, it at least complicates that narrative a little bit, right?
Like you go, oh, well, there was this clear corruption involving the former vice president, sitting president's son, and this country, Ukraine.
And oh, yeah, a whole bunch of people tried to claim that Russia was committing this like horrible act against America that was complete bullshit just kind of throws a little bit like, oh, okay, so there's a little bit more to this story.
Like, I don't know.
It's just very interesting, the timing now that those two countries who are at war right now are both so heavily involved in this story.
I think the point you made about tech censorship and all that stuff is spot on as well.
You know, I think that we, you know, as I've been saying for a long time on this show, I think that, and I was arguing with a libertarian guy the other day, like in a libertarian party group.
And he was basically saying that, like, look, I think libertarians just shouldn't even talk about cultural issues.
We should just focus on government overreach and promote liberty because, you know, we just like, I understand where he was coming from.
I think he was basically saying that.
It's like, look, you know, you get into these cultural issues and it always pisses off a whole group of people, you know, and it's like, yeah, this isn't really what libertarians should care about anyway.
So we just shouldn't talk about it.
We shouldn't have anything to say about culture.
And I really disagree with that.
And I understand why some people feel that way.
And I may have even agreed with that at one time, but I don't agree with it anymore for a lot of reasons.
Like, number one, it's like we're in the middle of a white hot culture war in this country, and you just can't have nothing to say about that.
You got to have something to say about the thing that so many people care about the most if you're going to talk to people, even if it's just something to explain what created this culture war, which I think is a big part of what libertarians should talk about.
And part of that is because they're all so interrelated.
You know, like it's very hard to strip away, like, what is just government policy and what is a culture issue?
I mean, think about the cultural changes in this country over the last two years.
You know, like all of the COVID stuff, there's been this cultural norm of wearing a mask now.
But is that removed from government policies?
Well, no, they were mandated all over the place and completely promoted by the political class and the media class.
I mean, lockdowns changed the culture, you know, and then something even like, you know, the bills we were talking about the other week, you know, the, what's it called?
I think it's the parental, you know, parental rights act or whatever that they just passed in Florida, what's being inaccurately called the don't say gay bill or the, you know, ban on minors having, you know, gender reassignment surgery and stuff like that.
Well, are those laws or cultural issues?
I mean, it's, it's all, right?
You couldn't argue that it's not both, right?
Like they're right.
So it's not as if you can completely avoid these topics.
And so, you know, I think it's important that we have something to say there, but also because as I've come to realize over the years, I think that it's naive to think that there's not also a cultural component to what a free society requires.
You know what I mean?
Like it's not as if human beings aren't these just kind of like, you know, atomized, like economic agents that just like like, it's not like that praxeology isn't incredibly important to understand, but there's a little bit more to life than just that.
And the truth is that I think part of what, you know, like what you were getting at when you were saying we need to reject this idea of censorship, like, because look at how it's abused by the state and by politically interested parties.
Like what I'm saying is almost like we need like a culture of liberty that is that is beyond just the belief in the kind of political legal theory of libertarianism.
Like you people need like we have to promote and hope that like people embrace kind of like a culture of like, no, you don't like it should be looked down upon.
It should be mocked and ridiculed and derided.
The idea that someone would, if they disagree with your argument, say, we must silence your ability to make that argument.
You know what I mean?
You need like this kind of cultural, you know, liberty, this cultural view of liberty that's like, okay, win the argument.
No, you don't go fucking report the tweet to get it taken down.
Argue with the person and win.
Present a better argument than that.
You know what I mean?
And with COVID, think about culturally how many people were just like, no, fuck you.
Don't tell me I have to go do something that doesn't make sense.
Or like culturally, there's so many people out there like, don't complain that the government gives you free shit.
Like that's a cultural thing.
There's a whole group of people that just think like, oh, good for you.
You're whining and complaining.
And since you're complaining the most, yes, we should help you out.
And we got to respect this person because look at how upset they are and mental illness and a race to be the softest and the biggest bitch.
Like a lot of that is cultural.
Yes.
A lot of a lot of the kind of the stigma on welfare is a cultural issue.
Like how much that's like looked down upon.
No, dude, like if you're an able-bodied man and you're collecting welfare, there should be like a cultural component of that.
I mean, hey, maybe you fell on hard times, something happened and like for a month or two, you are, but like if you're just like an able-bodied man, you're just like for long extended periods of time collecting like welfare, there should be like a cultural component that's like, hey, what the fuck are you doing?
Get it together.
Like, hey, you know, they're hiring down the road, right?
Go fucking get a job.
You know, there should be some of that.
And so, yeah, I agree with you.
But this, this is a really good example of that.
The other thing that I would say is kind of like what I was touching on at the beginning of the show, that even though, you know, it's almost like the way things work in this country in the current year is that you have this kind of feeling.
It almost feels like it's easy almost to get like defeatist about it because you're like, this is how it always goes, right?
It's like they bury the story when it matters and they lie.
And then, you know, over a year later, it comes out that, oh, yeah, that you guys were right.
We were burying it and it's a real story, but it doesn't matter as much now, right?
Because it's not right before the election.
It is.
You're right.
And it's easy to like be infuriated by that.
And it's easy to feel like defeatist about that because it's like, fuck, it's just like you never win until.
But if you kind of look at like, it's like death by a thousand cuts for these institutions.
If you look at what I was talking about before, like the trust in the corporate press, the ratings of the corporate press just tanking over the years and the trust in all major institutions in America just like being, it's like evaporated.
And it's because of things like this over and over and over again.
And so even though, you know, like it's not obvious in the moment, because it's not one thing that's just the knockout blow, these things over and over and over again, not everybody does forget, you know, and like for the people who remember, they remember and they're never going to trust you again.
This is now more people who are never going to trust you again.
And then a few more people and a few more people.
And like, so now that does, that leads to instability.
It's, it is not a stable thing for a nation to have a population that has zero trust in their major institutions.
And then it's easy for those institutions to say, well, look at the people challenging us.
They lead to all of this instability, you know?
But it's like the point I was making the last time I was on Rogan.
This was one of the central points that I tried to make.
It was at the height of the frenzy where the media was going after Rogan for spreading COVID disinformation.
And, you know, and I was like, man, the fact that these guys do not have, they have zero self-reflection, zero ability to go, hey, you know, well, why is it that this guy, this comedian who started a podcast has like has like 20 times the audience I have, and they trust him way more.
Supporting Good Planet00:03:14
Why is that?
It doesn't take that much.
Look, I'll say this right now, right?
Why is the Washington Post running this story?
Why did the New York Times run a story on this a few weeks ago on the Hunter Biden laptop?
Well, the reason, obviously, like we said before, there might be some other reasons we don't exactly know about, but one very basic reason is because undeniably, this is news.
It's news.
It is absolutely newsworthy that the son of the president is getting these what are clearly, you know, attempts to buy influence, attempts to purchase access.
No one can deny that that's what this is.
Nobody thinks that this crackhead is getting paid millions of dollars for his expertise.
There's only one reason why they're paying him money, and it's because he's Joe Biden's kid.
And so, right away, that's already, that's just a newsworthy story.
Now, how newsworthy is that?
How much should that affect what, you know, whether you'd vote for Biden or not?
Okay, that's up to people to decide.
But there's no question that this is news.
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Hunter Biden Did Nothing Wrong00:13:05
Anyway, so Tom Elliott, who I love, I follow on Twitter, it's a great Twitter follow because he puts up these supercuts, as he calls them, of just like what the media said back then.
I don't know how he gets all these clips together, but it's a great Twitter follow.
I really enjoy checking his feed a lot.
And so, yeah, he posted this one.
Here, let's play this.
This is just a good reminder to people.
It's nice to look back sometimes and just see this stuff.
So, by the way, at the time when me and you, Rob, again, pat ourselves on the back here, because we're not, we're fucking, you know, we're just a couple of idiot comedians, but we're better than all these people in suits on CNN.
And at the time, when we were telling you, yeah, this all looks legitimate and blah, blah, blah, this is a real news story, and yeah, there's all this tech censorship, and this is all bullshit.
And telling you, no, all these intelligence agencies are lying to you.
This is not Russian disinformation.
This is really Hunter Biden's emails.
This is what the fucking corporate press was saying.
There's no evidence that Hunter Biden has done anything wrong.
There is no evidence of any wrongdoing between by Biden, by Joe Biden, or by Hunter Biden.
There's no evidence that Joe Biden actually did anything wrong or did anything to sway things in Hunter Biden's favor.
He's denied that his son ever lobbied him for anything.
There is nothing, Hunter, there is nothing wrong that Vice President Biden did.
President Trump has falsely accused your son of doing something wrong while serving on a company board in Ukraine.
I want to point out there's no evidence of wrongdoing by either one of you.
There is no evidence that anybody did anything illegal regarding the Bidens and Ukraine.
And Joe Biden was carrying out U.S. policy.
President Trump wanted dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.
Trump's claims about wrongdoing here are unsubstantiated.
We have looked.
Lots of outlets have looked.
Hunter Biden did nothing wrong.
Vice President Biden did nothing wrong.
And every single media outlet has said that there's no there there to these allegations, lies, and smears.
PolitiFact found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind.
It's true that there's no evidence of any wrongdoing by Vice President Biden or that Hunter Biden broke any laws at all.
What it confirms is that Hunter Biden is a person of integrity.
Hunter has done nothing wrong.
I've never read a memoir like this one before.
This is Hunter Biden's book, Beautiful Things.
It's breathtaking.
There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden.
The bogus investigation of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
Let's be clear, Hunter Biden didn't do anything illegal, and his father, the vice president, didn't do anything illegal or unethical.
It demonstrates the lifetime of integrity that have been represented by the Bidens for their entire careers.
My son did nothing wrong.
I did nothing wrong.
So here's what's interesting about this, just when you see, this is why I love following Tom Elliott and seeing these clips.
It's like when you see it all put together like that, it kind of, it's a little bit revealing, isn't it?
This is the strategy.
This is how the game works.
It's not a coincidence that all of these people, both basically all of the major figures in the corporate press, surrogates for the campaign, and then at the end, the president of the United States himself all just happened to say the exact same phrase.
Repeat it over and over and over again.
Hunter did nothing wrong.
Joe Biden did nothing wrong.
No laws were broken.
Nothing wrong.
Everyone confirms nothing wrong.
It's like it's hypnotic in a way.
You know what I mean?
Like they really just keep saying it over and over and over again.
Now, the claim that no laws were broken might be true.
The claim that nothing wrong was done, that's pretty, that's, that's a stretch.
But all of that's kind of beside the point.
I mean, the point is that what's going on here is that clearly, like, this is clear corruption.
Clear, you know?
And come on, don't tell me that if they found out that, come on, if they found out that, you know, Ivanka Trump was getting millions of dollars from all of these Russian companies, do you really think the response of all of those same people would have been, well, she did nothing wrong and no laws were broken.
Nothing wrong.
No laws, nothing wrong.
No laws.
Or would the story have been, what's going on here?
Why is Russia gaining all this influence with Trump?
Right.
Like, it's just so obvious.
Like, this is just, this is very clearly all of them lining up to protect their, you know, to protect their guy.
And of course, at the same time, just to be clear, and I'll let you talk in a second.
Sorry, Rob, but at the same time, like as you were talking about, this is when this is the one-two punch.
And then all the social media companies banned the link.
You couldn't even direct message it to somebody.
So they froze the Washington, excuse me, they froze the New York Post's account who broke the story.
They banned the link so you couldn't share the story.
So all you're able to hear for at least a large number of people, all you're able to hear is this.
Again, nothing wrong.
No laws broken.
Nothing wrong.
Everyone confirms.
It's really, it's interesting when you see it.
Like this is how the game works.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Rob.
No, I mean, there's an outside possibility.
And we actually discussed this at the time that Hunter Biden actually did nothing wrong.
He's an incredible salesperson.
And what he is, is he's selling these people on the idea that he can peddle influence.
And he actually can't.
And he's literally scamming people out of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, pretending as if he will do illegal activities that he will never do.
And that's a possibility that he's the world's greatest salesperson and he figured out some incredible racket.
That's probably not the case, but it's a possibility.
But when you end up with a laptop that's showing that Chinese, what is it, Chinese energy companies have paid $3 million to a person while he's in debt, there's reference to Joe Biden as being the big guy.
There's clear conflicts of interest.
How do you not start having a conversation of, oh, like if you're a media company and you're looking to run news stories, how is it not an interesting story of, oh, do we have the children of politicians making millions of dollars on what could be massive?
Like, how is that not just interesting?
If you're a news organization, you got to create news coverage.
Firstly, you would think that that's a very interesting question at a minimum.
And it's also an important question.
And how widespread is this?
How many political, how many, how many children of political figures are in positions where perhaps they are peddling influence?
Is there a possibility that the Chinese Communist Party has actually bribed the biggest politicians in our country?
Like there's incredible things that are, firstly, if you're a news organization, you got to sell pages.
You need viewers.
So this is the most interesting story, right?
So you would just think, even if it had, if it turned out to just be false, think about the fuel day you could have for three months looking into it, but it's also just an incredibly important question.
So that to me is like kind of the bigger scandal.
It's like it happens to be there is a possibility that Hunter Biden's a great salesperson, but the idea that you would just not investigate it and assume that is insanity.
Well, the possibility that you're referring to is essentially that he's a fraud.
Like, he would, right?
No, I'm not even saying like, yeah, you can debate like the ethics of it or whatever, but even that would kind of be a newsworthy story.
It's like, oh, he's pretending he can sell access to his father.
However, that it is possible.
I'll grant you.
Seems highly unlikely.
And seems on what based on what we know of Hunter Biden would take more competence than I think has been to look into that story and then showcase the ethics of the like, why are you allowing your son to go out in the world and scam other companies for millions of dollars off your name?
So like that doesn't, you know, wash him completely innocent.
That's no, that's right.
And also, in addition to that, and by the way, but if you really look into it too, like this burisma company, like they were basically what the whole thing is.
Well, that's right.
So they were, they were in tight with the government that was overthrown by the Western-sponsored coup in 2014 in Ukraine.
And so when the new government came in, they were like, oh, shit, you know, like a little bit concerned because the government they were in tight with just got overthrown.
And so in order to buy favor, rather than even bribing the government, they just went right to the source and were like, oh, okay, well, this is what we'll do.
And I got to say, you know, like I got little kids.
So it's, it's not, it's kind of hard for me to put myself in this situation, but you'd have to think, right?
And this is like at the very least, what you'd have here is a massive conflict of interest.
You know what I mean?
Like that, the fact that how could you, how could any parent, even if you were not connected to the money, you're not getting the money, you're not involved in the deal, you're not aware of what your kid's doing exactly, but you know that there's a company giving your kid millions of dollars that's very in bed with their government.
I mean, wouldn't that have to have like some effect on how you'd think about policy toward that company or something?
You know what I mean?
Like you'd, you know, if you know that someone's really look, dude, if you knew that if if there was some guy who worked out a deal with me that was giving me millions of dollars, and you knew that this guy was giving me millions of dollars, would that not affect the way you treated that guy?
Is that like, wouldn't you, just as like a good friend of mine, feel kind of like a thing?
Like, if you were ever making a decision about whether you should do something this guy likes or doesn't like, you'd be like, this guy's giving your friend like millions of dollars.
You kind of want to make him happy, right?
You know, so imagine your child.
I mean, like, it's just, it's all so that you just can't get to a point logically where you wouldn't argue that, like, this is inappropriate.
And even if this is rampant and widespread, and even if this isn't illegal, this shouldn't be happening, right?
Like, almost any ethical person could say, yeah, this shouldn't be happening.
Someone shouldn't be getting millions of dollars just because they're the son of a politician.
And especially when it's a company that wants to, you know, gain favor with the father who's the politician.
I mean, you know, it's like, um, you know, when you saw, what was it, Saudi Arabia was given like millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation for years.
And you're like, well, while she was there, while she's relevant, yeah, like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, they're not anymore.
There's nothing, there's nothing to be gained.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, that was like, oh, no, they're it's last I heard, yeah, they're they're shockingly after 2016, their fundraising just kind of dried up.
Um, but you know, so Saudi Arabia is giving millions of dollars to the Clintons.
Like, what are they doing that for?
When she was the favorite to be the next president, what are they doing that for?
Because the Saudi royal family are like really good people, really good humanitarians.
If you sponsor women's issues in the United States of America, you can torture and take off more arms on women in your home.
Yeah, really.
I mean, these are the people who will, you know, they hang people on the crime of sorcery, you know, and like they, they like witchcraft.
Oh, I thought it was delicious sauces.
Yeah, no, it's illegal.
Don't go making your sauces in Saudi.
They're conducting a war of genocide in Yemen, but they also really want to help out the Clintons raise, you know, right, like build a village of some of some water pumps or something.
So, so it's so blatant what's going on here.
And to watch this stuff, I mean, it's, it's to me, all of this stuff that just exposes the corporate press is always like a positive.
Um, because after all, these are the you know, these are the mouthpieces for the war criminals.
These are the people who sell the wars and who sell every awful government policy.
These, I mean, look at it.
These are the people who sell the lockdowns.
These are the people who sell the bailouts.
These are the people who sell all of this stuff.
So, the more they're discredited, the better.
But to watch them in those moments, like, you know, when any thinking person, again, it's not like me and you, it's that we're a couple of fucking idiots, but we're able to see through this.
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Any thinking person goes, oh, yeah, there's a story here.
You know, this is a big story.
This, this really demonstrates some corruption.
It's clear corruption.
No one goes, no one did anything wrong.
One of them said, you know, Hunter Biden has led a life of integrity.
He's a crackhead who fucked his brother's wife.
I led a life of integrity.
Brian Stelter, who's always got to criticize, you know, the Fox News, Echo Chamber, right ring, right-wing world, blah, blah, blah.
Just reading Hunter Biden's book.
I've never read such a powerful book.
I mean, come on, dude.
This is fucking like, it's just so obvious, you know?
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Oh, did you see?
Here's changing gears a little bit.
I don't know if you saw.
So this was really fun.
This was going around.
This clip has been going viral.
I don't know how this happens where people dig up these old clips and then all of a sudden they start to go viral.
I just know that I saw my boy Clint from Liberty Lockdown.
He tweeted it.
That's how I saw it.
But anyway, so Fauci hasn't been in the news that much lately, but I think he's been resting and he's been rejuvenating because he was out in the news and he looked great.
He looked younger.
He looked healthy.
And he's actually making a lot of sense.
He was making a really good point.
One of the best points I've seen him make in a long time.
So I was so glad that my boy Clint tweeted this.
Here's Dr. Fauci just earlier today, speaking on national television.
But she's had the flu for 14 days.
Should she get a flu shot?
Well, no, if she got the flu for 14 days, she's as protected as anybody can be because the best vaccination is to get infected yourself.
And if she really has the flu, if she really has the flu, she definitely doesn't need a flu vaccine if she really has the flu.
She should not get it again now.
She doesn't need it because it's the most potent vaccination is getting infected yourself.
There you go.
Okay, so it seems I'm mistaken, and this is actually an old clip of Fauci.
I thought he was just looking.
I thought maybe he just got some sun and started coloring his hair a little bit.
So isn't that interesting?
That little clip that people found.
And I say, it's so funny because like the people who are like fucking the, you know, just like the people who are completely brainwashed by all this COVID shit, they're like, yeah, but the flu is different than COVID.
It's not the same thing.
And you're like, yeah, but the logic here is exactly the same.
It's exactly the same.
It applies to COVID every bit as much as it applies to the flu.
It was different when we had the COVID because it's deadly on there was high cases.
So the cases were too high and we needed everyone to get the vax.
Yeah, but it doesn't.
So we didn't tell them about the natural immunity, even though that's the one thing that can end it.
It's like, no, I'm sorry, like to all those people who are like, well, it's different.
It's the flu.
It's not COVID, you know, so it's not, it just doesn't mean anything.
It's like, no, I'm sorry.
His argument there is that you don't need the vaccine because natural immunity is stronger.
That is exactly the case with COVID today.
And this is COVID, then according to Fauci, there's no reason for you to have to go out and get the vaccine.
There's no reason.
By the logic that he's using with the flu, which absolutely holds true for COVID as well.
Yes, as we've been saying forever, there is no, like, there's no sound argument here.
So again, if you were to say, like, with what all these policies are saying, it's not just like not.
We're trying to increase mutations.
We're trying to make sure the virus sticks around.
And so we can't do it unless everyone gets vaccinated.
Well, look, you have these places.
In fact, I was talking to Jake Shields.
He was, I was trying to remember who told me, Jake Shields, the UFC legend, Jake Shields.
We were talking to him on Yo MMA rap the other day, and he was talking about in LA that they still have the vaccine passport that he's still, or he's still in San Francisco, I think he was saying.
He still can't, not LA, San Francisco.
He was saying he still can't go eat at a restaurant there.
And he's like, I lived there for years.
I can't go back and eat at a fucking restaurant there.
And it's like, you know, so the idea that you have this policy that says a person who never had COVID but was vaccinated can go there, yet a person who had COVID and recovered from it can't.
This is anti-scientific.
That person has stronger immunity than the person who never had it and was vaccinated.
We've been talking about this for a while, but it's just amazing to see that you're like, this is what, again, this is why people, the trust in all of these institutions has evaporated because it's so clear that it's like, it's not that Fauci isn't familiar with these arguments.
Fauci here before this whole craze is making these arguments and making them very well.
Wasn't it nice to see Fauci when he used to be allowed to tell the truth somewhere?
Just tell some lady who's like, I've had the flu for 14 days and I really don't want to get it again.
So I should probably go get a flu shot.
Right.
And he's like, no, no, no, lady, don't worry.
You don't have to worry about getting a flu shot because you have the flu for 14 days.
You have crazy immunity to the flu right now.
You're totally not going to get the flu again this season.
That just doesn't happen.
So don't worry.
You're fine, you know?
This is going to give you way better immunity than that vaccine would.
You know, it's kind of like sweet in a way.
You're like, oh, yeah, hey, Fauci had a moment because there was no pharmaceutical profit to be made in the comment there.
He goes, oh, no, I'll just tell the truth.
That's fine.
You know, or a minor pharmaceutical profit to be made.
Not enough to get up there and sell your goddamn soul, I guess.
Anyway, I don't know why.
Just so fucking classic.
So fucking great.
Love, love a good old Fauci clip when you can find one.
I mean, the stuff, don't get me wrong.
He was, he was being dead wrong about a whole lot of things back then.
He had already sold his soul, but still, it's just pretty funny.
Other people are arguing.
No, this is completely different.
No, it's not.
It's exactly the same.
The logic is exactly the same.
The logic there is that natural immunity is stronger than the vaccine.
And the logic right now with COVID is that natural immunity is stronger than the vaccine.
Every major study on this backs that up.
The only question, which is, I think, a real question is how much stronger than the vaccine natural immunity is.
And that I've seen a range in estimates.
Like I saw, wasn't there that one study, Rob?
I think it was an Israeli study that said it was like 70 times stronger.
And that did seem to be a little bit of an outlier because like all the other studies seem to show, you know, it was like five times, 10 times stronger or something like that.
But it's much, much stronger.
There's no one's debating that at this point.
Of course, there was that guy at Cato who at one point said the, you know, this was a while back, said, it seems like the vaccine is even stronger than natural immunity, but no one, no one's holding on to that argument anymore.
There's just been too many studies on it.
Isn't it cool how over COVID is?
The one exception being the mask on planes.
Other than that, it's like everyone's done with it.
Yeah, it seems like for now, at least we'll see.
You know, it is nice to see the rollback of a lot of these policies, a lot of them, you know, but it's not all over.
And I do, I wonder, you know, like, I wonder how we'll handle if there is another, another surge at some point.
You know what I mean?
If there is another, you know, variant that comes and runs through, how people will handle it.
My best guess, and I could be just off on this, but it was never that bad.
I mean, there might have been a couple occasions where it was, but it was, it was, they sold us on it.
They were playing constant clips and they were spooking the shit out of everyone.
It was never like scientific to be as afraid as we were, with the exception of the first month when it was new and it was kind of exciting to panic and moving with your parents.
It was fun.
For a month, it was fun.
It was a good time.
And then we kind of realized, all right, we can move like this.
The hospitals aren't shutting down.
This isn't like a world.
Like it was fun for a month.
Since then, it's been a, they've been selling it.
So unless they also, I like, unless they also choose to start selling it again.
Like, think about it.
Every time we shut down, it's because the hospital is going to be never happened.
Everything they, it was always on the basis that something was going to happen that never happened.
Well, yeah.
And then there'll be like these things where they're like, you know, hospitals overrun in this area or this area.
But then like when you look into it closer, you really, it's like they were overrun because everyone was coming in to get tests, you know, stuff like that.
And people are also more aware of the unintended consequences now.
We got more of the story on the deaths because of, you know, people pushing back surgical procedures, getting screened, mental health, kids getting fat, not learning in school.
So there's been more exposure of all the unintended consequences, which makes it tougher to sell.
It's funny because look, even when at the height of COVID, right?
Like even when people, it's kind of like how I always say, like, no one actually believes in democracy.
You know, people claim to believe in democracy, but no one really does.
They believe in them winning, which is why you see people make up a bunch of excuses when they lose the election.
It's true on all sides, you know?
So, you know, like when I, when I say that, what I mean by that is that like, there's no, you know, like even like some progressives who might say like democracy is the absolute highest goal.
It's the most important thing in the world.
And if you went, well, 53% of people think that gay marriage should be repealed.
They don't go, great, because democracy.
You know what I mean?
They go, well, that's because there's a bunch of racist, horrible, evil, bigoted, homophobic people.
And we must change this and fight, you know, no one like, no one actually wants what they believe the morally correct policy to be fail because 53 or 52 or 51% of people voted against it.
And of course, they shouldn't because that doesn't make any sense.
But they just kind of like the idea of it.
At the same time, like no one actually doesn't believe in trade-offs and in the idea that there's that you have to have competing goods or you have to weigh out costs versus benefits.
Everyone agrees with that.
They just can pretend not to.
And the propaganda can just be like, if it saves one life and all this nonsense that we heard at the beginning of COVID and, you know, we have to lock down or you want to kill grandma.
If you even think, oh, you can't talk about the economy.
You just want to get a haircut, all this.
But like, if you think about the fact that, look, even in the absolute height of COVID, and even through all the insanity, right?
Like with the masking on planes, and they're so serious about that, masking on planes.
They'll still be like, oh, we're bringing out drinks and you can take your mask down and have a drink.
You know, now, if masking is that serious, if COVID is that big of a threat, then fucking don't bring out drinks, right?
I mean, if it's that important that you don't pull your mask down, then you can't just bring out a drink and give it to someone.
They pull their mask down.
Now, you know, it's a, but what is it?
Is they go, well, we got to weigh kind of like the cost versus the benefit.
It's just unreasonable to expect someone to sit on a seven-hour flight and not have a sip of a drink, right?
So there you go.
You're conceding the point.
You're conceding that at some point, we can only ask so much of people, right?
So it's not just purely masks work or something like that.
It's like, well, okay, we'd kind of rather you, but then at some point, we think this is unreasonable.
And I think we're just kind of getting to that point that it's just like, yeah, this is just unreasonable.
And they, I think also from their perspective, it's not as if they're like, we really care about people's comfort.
If they cared about people's comfort, they'd let them not wear masks.
They don't want to wear masks, you know?
But they realize we can only push people so far, so far before they'll rip the fucking mask off and curse me out.
So just let them have a drink and then maybe they'll take the rest of it.
And at a certain point, I just think it's like people are like, people just get over this shit.
And I will say that I think a lot of the people who understandably, a lot of good people who I love, by the way, fell into the trap of just being like, this is it.
It's over.
And totalitarianism has come and will never get out of it.
And I was always like, no, I'm going to, I'm going to fight against it and I'm going to call it out, but I'm going to remain optimistic.
And I think that was correct.
I think that there's the there is a point that people get pushed that they will start to fucking that, you know, this will lose lots of support and scare the ruling class that they actually might do something about it.
So that's kind of like one of the benefits of all of this.
Now, that doesn't mean what we deal with is the kind of ratchet effect and the fact that things from this era will linger.
And that is the problem now.
This is what I said back again on Rogan back.
I don't remember.
This was a few appearances ago.
Was it back in 2020?
I think when I was on the show.
No, maybe it was in 2021.
I don't remember.
But I think it was the one where I was in the Red studio.
But I said that I compared it to the war on terrorism.
And I was like, well, look, I mean, like, or I compared it to 9-11.
And I was like, well, look, like, we're not all crazy like we were after 9-11.
We're not like, oh, my God, terrorism.
We're all so scared.
Oh, my God.
We're scared.
Like the same way we were scared of COVID or people were scared of COVID in March 2020.
We're not scared of terrorism the way we were scared of terrorism in September or October of 2001.
You know, no one's like really like, shit, fuck.
I hope Al-Qaeda doesn't like hit us tomorrow.
You know, that's kind of over.
But the Department of Homeland Security is here.
You know, the TSA is here.
So the fucking wars, at least many of them are still here.
You know, so there's kind of that.
We'll kind of be left with the lingering things from the COVID regime.
And that's our job to fight against them.
All right.
We're going to wrap up on that.
So Minnesota, tomorrow, I'm coming.
I hope to see a lot of you people out there.
I'm looking forward to it.
I always have a good time at all these things.
I'm sure I will in Minnesota as well.
It's nice.
I'm nice.
I'm glad that Minnesota did their convention now rather than in the dead of winter.
I think Minnesota is probably nicer to go to in spring than in winter.
I haven't been to Minnesota in years, man.
I think it's been like might be seven or eight years since I've been to Minnesota.
So it'll be nice to go back.
And then I got this gig in the Mises Caucus event in Dallas next week.
Me and Rob are setting up some more stand-up gigs.
We're going to set up a gig in Chicago coming up soon.
A few others as well.
Reno in May.
Look for that.
Reno LP National Convention.
Come on out.
All you motherfuckers come out, especially if you're a delegate.
You better be there.
If you're a Mises Caucus delegate, you better make sure you get to Reno.
Come on.
This is crunch time.
We're about to complete this mission.
I'm very excited about it.
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And I got something forum.
Yeah, Soho Forum coming up.
Connecticut this Sunday.
Boston and summer porch tour dates are coming together.
We're doing some really big quasi-festivals in people's yards.
It's going to be a good thing.
Oh, nice.
Dude, we're going big this year.
I'm just completely.
The evolution of the summer porch tour is pretty incredible, dude.
It really is pretty incredible.
Like you literally went in a few years from it literally just being like Rob, like entertaining a few people on their porch to like, this is like, I look at these things and I'm like, I got to see how I can get booked on the summer porch tour.
Like, this is fucking a big thing.
Open invite.
You might like the Florida one.
The Florida one, there's a big announcement coming for Florida soon.
And be on the lookout.
Hell yeah, brother.
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Go check out Run Your Mouth.
It's a fucking excellent show.
Rob is fucking phenomenal, funny, really informative.
Make sure you go check out his stuff.
What's the topic of the debate?
Do you know for the one you're opening for it, the Soho Forum?
Yes.
It's about Taiwan and if the U.S. military, I guess, should ramp up its efforts to try and protect Taiwan.
Might not be those exact words, but that's something along those lines.
That's very, that is very interesting.
Of course, that's the great Gene Epstein's debate series, Soho Forum.
I've debated there before.
Lots of great libertarians have done there.
I've done the stand-up for it.
Rob's the guy now who does the stand-up opening up for it.
Now that they'll let our kind back in to the Soho Forum.
Thank you.
Thank you, New York City for letting us be regular people again.