Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein critique government overreach, prison overcrowding, and the Mises Caucus's push for "Revolution 2.0," while condemning Tulsi Gabbard's treason accusations as war propaganda silencing dissent. They redefine inflation as Federal Reserve money printing rather than price rises, mocking Modern Monetary Theory and comparing current Fed rate hikes to Paul Volcker's 1980s success despite worse CPI data. The discussion links rising gas prices to green energy mandates and carbon taxes, arguing that $30 trillion in debt prevents serious interest rate increases, ultimately suggesting the current economic model is unsustainable. [Automatically generated summary]
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Treasonous Accusations Against Tulsi00:15:25
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Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith.
I am sometimes known as the Libertarian Tupac.
I am oftentimes known as the most consistent motherfucker you know and occasionally referred to as Dave.
And the man I am joined by, very happy to have him here.
He is COVID Jesus, the fire, the king of the caulks, Robbie Bernstein.
What the fuck is up, my brother?
How are you?
I'm doing excellent, buddy.
I did some shows over the weekend.
Fans are showing up.
Yeah, you know, they are.
The fans love Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
Where were you doing shows?
It was like 40 minutes outside of Philly in the middle of nowhere, but fans showed up.
They were hammered as all hell, and it was a good time.
Yeah, I like that.
I like the Philly fans who will show up 40 minutes outside for a Robbie show.
Those are the real rider dogs.
Those are the troopers.
Hell yeah.
Those are the ones you want to hang with after a show.
Well, very good.
And it's good to be talking to you.
I see you're in the studio.
It kind of looks like you broke in, like you weren't allowed to be there.
That is the lighting situation.
That is like I'm wazling past the fence.
You're like, you're just going to have to whisper this whole time.
Yeah, you're making some great points.
Well, I was just out in Colorado this last weekend.
I've been doing these Libertarian Party state conventions all across the country.
Incredible.
Another incredible weekend.
Another incredible Mises Caucus victory.
Guys, if you're not on board with what the Mises Caucus is doing in the Libertarian Party, right now is the time to jump on board.
It's the most exciting time.
We're literally a couple months away from the national convention where this whole thing is going to become a Mises caucus controlled party.
In other words, we, our camp, are going to really be behind the steering wheel of the Libertarian Party, representing that real shit the way we do it on this show.
Go to lpmisescaucus.com.
Go there right now if you can and put your information in.
If you want to get on board with the Revolution 2.0, this is the shit that we've really been working on for quite a long time.
So anyway, it was so incredible.
Such a great time.
In the last like, what is it, four, five weeks?
I've been to the state conventions in California, Florida, Pennsylvania, just this one in Colorado.
Before that, I was in Arizona.
Every single one of them have said they've had record break, record-breaking turnouts.
Like they've never seen so many people come.
Every single one of them, the Mises caucus has just taken over the state party.
So put two and two together.
It's what we're doing here is leading to like record high enthusiasm, record high turnouts, and it's pretty cool.
It's a really special moment in the liberty movement, in the Libertarian Party, and those two things kind of merging.
So anyway, that's pretty exciting.
You got me fired up, dude.
Now I want to do one of these.
Can I tell you?
Rob, they ask for you everywhere I go.
Hell yeah.
Why isn't Robbie the Fire here with you?
And I go, because I don't care.
And then they go, but seriously, why isn't he here with you?
And I say, there simply wasn't the budget.
And then they say, how much could Robbie possibly cost?
And I say, nothing, literally nothing, but there still wasn't the budget.
I paid them to not have Rob there.
That's what I tell these people.
No, but seriously, they all do ask for you.
So, yeah, we're going to do a bunch of cool shit.
We're going to do a bunch of cool shit in the very near future and we'll be going out together.
Okay.
So several things that I want to talk about today.
I guess we'll start with this one.
It's Mitt Romney.
Now, Mitt Romney doesn't make news much anymore, does he, Rob?
When was the last time Mitt Romney made news?
Every once in a while, he comes out with some dumb shit.
Yeah, that's that he's around.
Usually some real deep state nonsense.
If you're not familiar with Mitt Romney, he's the guy who he lost to Barack Obama.
And he got bitched out by Trump.
Yes.
Well, he didn't get bitched out so much.
He came out, right?
There's a lot of things there.
He lost to Obama.
I think he tortured a dog to death.
He's whatever, you know.
I'm sure he's a good guy.
He's very good to his wives.
But he came out in the middle of the 2016 primary as the previous Republican nominee and gave a whole speech about how there had to be someone else to be the nominee, not Donald Trump.
Anyone else would be okay, but Donald Trump was a bridge too far and no one cared.
And then Donald Trump won the nomination.
And then after sticking his neck out on the line and saying, anyone but Donald Trump, we cannot support Donald Trump.
The voters didn't care.
They voted for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump won the presidency.
And then Donald Trump said, I'm considering you for Secretary of State.
And he went, Yeah, absolutely.
I'll do that.
And then Donald Trump went, We're looking in another direction, Mitt, which was so goddamn funny.
So this guy who came out, this is like the level of integrity that he has, that he would come out, use all of his political capital to say, no, this guy's not okay.
And then that guy wins and goes, Hey, you want a job?
And he goes, Absolutely.
I'd love a job.
And then he goes, Nap, sorry, no job for you.
That's Mitt Romney.
All right.
So Mitt Romney tweeted the day before yesterday.
Tulsi Gabbard.
Here we go.
Tulsi Gabbard is parroting fake Russian propaganda.
Her treasonous lies may well cost lives.
So on top of being a failed politician and a professional at humiliating himself, he is also a very bad poet.
Her treasonous lies may well cost lives.
That's what Mitt Romney had to say about Tulsi Gabbard.
Now, let me just rewind for a second.
Do you recall, Robert, when I don't know, it was a few weeks ago.
I think it was the day after Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine that I said, prepare for some serious war propaganda.
Like, get ready for some serious war propaganda.
Well, this is where we're at now.
Her treasonous lies may well cost lives.
Now, treason seemed pretty serious accusation.
The penalty for treason, last I checked, was the death penalty.
They kill you for treason.
And that is what Mitt Romney, the One-time Republican nominee for president of the United States of America has accused an active duty military member, a former congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard, of committing treason.
Now, I understand.
I know.
I feel like people are almost like, well, he doesn't really mean that when he says treason.
I mean, what are we expecting?
A senator who's the former presidential nominee to not throw out the word treason when it doesn't really mean it.
Like maybe they shouldn't throw out an accusation that carries the death penalty unless they mean, yeah.
No, everyone knows he's just being hyperbolic.
But still, that is really something to say.
And this, seeing this really took me back.
And it reminds me of: do you remember when Hillary Clinton, of course, you remember Rob?
Because we covered it on the show quite a bit.
When Hillary Clinton called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset during the 2020 campaign, it was in 2019 when the primaries were first getting going.
Yeah, that's what they'll do.
And I just, the thing that I think is most important about this to let people know is like for all of the people in the military out there, because, you know, all of these war hawks, they kind of do need you, military people.
You're an important part of their plan.
Like, if you're, if you are an active duty military member, you know, if somebody's trying to push a war, you're somebody they're going to need because that's how wars work.
And just so you know, this is the level of respect they have for you.
That someone like Hillary Clinton, who voted for the war in Iraq and later, after really being pressed on it, apologized for that vote because you know it was the most disastrous decision in the 21st century and it was based off lies and all of that.
She apologized for it, kind of.
I mean, kind of.
It was a real half-assed, like, yes, it was a mistake.
If I could go back, I would do it different, but yada, yada, yada.
But she votes for that war and later has to admit it was the worst thing that's ever been done.
And there's like a million people dead as a result of it.
Tulsi Gabbard, on the other hand, goes to the war zone and is a combat veteran.
Or I'm sorry, I say this sometimes, and I'm not sure if that's technically true.
I think technically they don't consider that to be a combat vet, but Tulsi Gabbard was embedded in a medical unit in Iraq.
So let's just say someone who really saw the costs of war firsthand, you know, is like treating, you know, like seeing the people who are like losing a leg and dying and all this shit.
That's what she went and did.
When Hillary Clinton lied the country into war and supported the war, Tulsi Gabbard was willing to go fight and die.
That's what she was willing to go do.
And then comes back and Hillary Clinton has the nerve to call her a traitor.
Mitt Romney has the nerve now to call her treasonous.
And why is it?
Why is it that she's treasonous?
Well, treason, of course, according to Mitt Romney, is not accepting the official narrative when we're talking about World War III.
See, after going and fighting in this last war that was complete bullshit, she's now questioning the next one.
That's what's going on right now.
Isn't that Rob?
Isn't that some pretty unbelievable war propaganda?
Yeah.
And this is the same thing they do with, hey, that's a Republican talking point.
It's that if someone says something, even if it's right, right, like then they go, oh, it's a Russian talking point.
If your talking point is, hey, maybe we don't want to have World War III with Putin, well, that's a Russian talking point because Russia agrees with you also that we shouldn't be at war with them.
Russian propaganda.
Yeah, I tweeted something out about this earlier, but that's right.
Like if you were, I suppose if you were against the Nazis, that was a Stalin talking point.
Or if you were against Stalin, that was a Nazi talking point.
Or I suppose if you were against the war in Iraq, that was a Saddam Hussein talking point.
And right now, if you're against World War III, you're guilty of, you know, spreading Russian talking points or Putin talking points or whatever.
But of course, this is the argument of a retarded child.
You know, like not even a full-grown retard, just a retarded child.
Well, it's the coincidental pivot from, let's not look at your argument.
Yes.
Let's look at a reason.
Like it's what they did with COVID, where it's like, listen to the scientists.
Well, can we digest what the scientists are saying?
Or even if I'm not a scientist, I feel like I'm good with data.
Can we look at the data?
You know what I mean?
There's always some sort of and then you're an anti-vaxxer.
It's the same exact thing.
It's the same exact thing as saying you're an anti-vaxxer where you weren't.
Well, I don't, what?
I'm an anti-vax.
I mean, I'm just telling you, this vaccine is not what it was sold to the American people as.
And there's this data that I have questions about or this, you know, whatever.
But the point is that it doesn't matter what your opinion on vaccines is.
It doesn't matter whether Vladimir Putin agrees with this talking point.
It doesn't matter if Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin or anyone agrees with what you're saying.
The point, the only thing that matters is, is it true or not?
Is this the truth?
Is what you're saying correct?
That's all that matters.
And so this is just like you said, it's a deliberate tactic to avoid dealing with whether you have a point or not.
And so that's exactly what you're seeing right here.
But the fact that, and this is something that I really hope that people in the military, because I know we do have some people, both past and current members of the military who listen to this show, I hope you realize just how quickly when you're willing to make the, you know, most serious sacrifice in order for these people, and in fact, when they're counting on you to make that sacrifice for what they have in mind,
know that if you so much as exercise your First Amendment rights to question whether or not their right to send you and your brothers and sisters or the next batch of your brothers and sisters off to fight and die in a war, if you so much as question their fucking bullshit, they will without hesitation accuse you of treason.
I mean, to me, treason actually means something.
That means like giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war, something serious, like what Barack Obama did in Syria and Libya and Yemen.
That's treason, you know?
Arming al-Qaeda, something like that, like Benedict Arnold or Barack Obama.
Deep State Bio Lab Lies00:04:00
Not Tulsi Gabbard.
What did she do?
She talked about the bioweapons labs in Ukraine.
That's all this has become the new thing.
You're not allowed to say that.
Even though I'm pretty sure the Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense and a whole bunch of other people have kind of also said they're concerned about bioweapons labs in the Ukraine.
But they're just, but you're not allowed to talk about it the way Tulsi Gabbard is.
Because if you check, if you check out Snopes or whatever, have you followed any of that stuff, Rob?
I mean, loosely, I've been following this biolab story, and there clearly are biolabs.
Now, as to what specifically was going on in those biolabs, it seems to me it's a little bit like Iran when they're working on nuclear materials.
Like it can be easily converted.
So, yes, you can be doing it for your nuclear program.
So, like, there's a lot of livestock out there.
So, yes, you could be studying this stuff to try and prevent livestock disease, but how quickly is that transferred?
Or how good is that as cover for actual military great shit?
It's even crazier than the Iran shit, because honestly, the Iran shit is almost like you have international veterans coming in and verifying what the fucking programs are for.
This is like they go, Hey, there's these American-funded, like someone will say there's these American-funded biolabs in Ukraine, and they'll be like, That is absolutely fake news.
There are biolabs there that are left over from the Soviet Union.
Oh, okay.
And then they're like, and America has been helping to destroy these biolabs.
You're like, Wait, what do you mean?
So, are they giving them money to do that?
And they're like, Yeah, they've been giving them money to do that for several years.
They're like, So, they're not destroyed yet?
And you're like, Well, yeah, no, they haven't been destroyed yet.
And there's been some like experimentation that's been going on.
You're like, So, that sounds a lot like America funding bio labs there.
And they're like, No, It's a America is just trying to like make sure that we're good stewards over these Soviet error biolabs and that we get rid of all of the shit.
And it's like, okay, well, we haven't gotten rid of it in quite a while.
And wait a minute, why would it be that Putin is so hell-bent on recovering these Soviet error biolabs, which they would almost certainly have the same thing as if it was from the Soviet Union?
They're like, Oh, yeah, no one really has an answer for that.
But you're, but you're not allowed to even talk about that, or you are guilty of treason, according to Mitt Romney.
Look, it's it really is something.
It's something to watch all of this.
It's something to watch the um, like I said, the war propaganda.
You probably see it all over.
You see it all over social media.
It's it's unbelievable.
We've talked about this so much for years, but when there is that thing of the moment where everyone's swept up, and that's what they're swept up in this right now.
And don't get it twisted, this will change soon.
People won't be on this for too long.
People changing your Facebook profile to a Ukrainian flag, that'll only last for so long.
There'll be another thing soon.
But right now, it's real tough to fucking tell the truth about this thing.
You know, that's that's how it always works.
Um, well, I guess it's treasonous from the perspective of the deep state, which is uh, narrative is America's good all the time.
And hey, we don't want to be talking about this biolab thing, so why are you bringing it up?
That's not in our and they identify our interest as American interest when really they're describing deep state interest.
So, to them, that's right, it is treasonous to bring up biolabs when the official talking point coming from them is, hey, we're not trying to discuss that, it makes us look bad.
That's right.
If you, in a sense, if you look at it from the empire perspective, it is kind of treasonous.
Like, you are, you are, uh, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy who doesn't want us to take over the world.
Creative Testing vs Narrative Control00:02:06
How dare you do that?
A true patriot would want us to rule, you know, every year-long warm water port around Russia's borders.
Why shouldn't the middle part of North America rule that?
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Whoopi Goldberg Holocaust Defense00:10:09
All right, let's get back into the show.
Okay, so there's this video that was going viral.
Speaking of the war propaganda and Tulsi Gabbard, there's this video that was going viral from, you know, the it's the one politician competing with Biden to see who could come off as more dementia.
No, well, look, this isn't even dementia.
This is the next video I was going to play.
It's the clucking hens over at the V. I jumped ahead.
Yeah, sorry.
It'll, yeah, that's right.
There's that, we'll get there too.
But no one really competes with Biden, but I guess you are right.
A little bit of foreshadowing.
Nancy Pelosi's putting up some stumbles and mumbles at the moment.
She is.
She is, you know, but it's kind of like it's kind of like watching Kobe when he was chasing Jordan.
Like, you know, he'll never get there, but you still want to watch him.
You get excited about it.
You're still like, look, he's great.
I'm not like saying he's not fucking great.
Obviously, the guy's in the gym.
But before we get there, let's go to the view.
And look, I know, I know that the view is fucking retarded.
I get it.
But just think that this is the stuff.
This is what happens during this war propaganda.
This is what's being like the, okay, they're a bunch of fucking like evil, moronic, you know, like.
Kobe probably supports the war.
It's white on white crime.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
Well, it's not a racial issue.
That's for sure.
But so, so look, these, these women are like evil moronic sellouts.
But also understand that they're talking to like soccer moms.
Like they're talking to like decent American, you know, women.
I can't imagine there's any men.
I'm sure a few gays.
I can't imagine there's any real men watching this, but they're talking to some people who are like decent Americans.
And this is, and they don't pay attention that much to this shit.
And like, this is what they hear.
And it's just, it's so sickening.
But anyway, let's play the clip and we can discuss.
Oh, and look, but I think that's an incredibly relevant question.
And I think DOJ, in the same way that it is setting up a task force to investigate oligarchs, should look into people who are Russian propagandists and shilling for Putin.
That's being, if you are a foreign asset to a dictator, it should be investigated.
In fact, I remember when Tulsi Gabbard, and I even hate that we're discussing it because I think to myself, who is this woman?
She's a, you know, she's no longer in Congress.
She's a failed presidential candidate.
She only practically exists on Twitter.
And the fact that we're giving her oxygen is what makes her move.
Let me just pause it for a second there.
First off, just the fucking nerve of this fucking whale to sit here while she's just slurping down fucking, I don't know, like whale snacks to sit here and go, who is this woman anyway?
Why are we even talking about her?
I mean, I'm the fucking former CNN chick who's on the view.
And who is she?
Oh, yeah, that's right.
She is a veteran.
Like, she's a veteran and also was a duly elected member of Congress.
Who the fuck are you, bitch?
Just, I'm sorry.
I know I've like criticized Tulsi Gabbard in the past before, and I probably will again.
And I'll do it because I fucking, I want her to be better.
Because I think it's great that she's like the leading Democratic voice against the war for terrorism.
I just wish she was also against the war on terrorism.
You know, we get into all of that at some other point, but she's just, she, she could get better at some of the things that she's good on.
But I will catch her back on this.
Like, you know, you just see how it's like, she has the courage to come out and tell the truth about this stuff.
And just the nastiness.
Isn't this such a by the way, it's also a very particularly female brand of nastiness.
You know what I mean?
What she's doing right there, where it's like, and who is she even?
We shouldn't even be talking about it.
I mean, she's not even in Congress anymore.
She only exists on Twitter.
Like, I'm pretty sure she exists in life also, not just on Twitter.
I mean, I know she's not on the View, that highly respected show that you get to be a part of.
But yeah, no, she is somebody who was embedded in a medical unit in Iraq.
Maybe all of a sudden, it's so funny that the Warhawks, who will always be like, oh, you must respect the troops.
All of a sudden, all of that goes out the window.
And it's like, who is this bitch?
She only exists on Twitter.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Like, who are you?
You're a chick on the view and she is a fucking veteran.
Maybe you should show some fucking respect.
But on the other hand, how do you not call out something that is repeating false Russian propaganda that has been brought down?
They used to arrest people for doing stuff like this.
If they thought you were colluding with a Russian agent, if they thought you were putting out information or taking information and handing over to Russia, they used to actually investigate stuff like this.
And I guess now, you know, there seems to be no cause.
And people isn't that a mark of shame in our history that wasn't that McCarthy was doing that?
And it was like a mark of shame that we would round up people and claim that they were communists.
No, they're just celebrating it.
It's like, and what does they used to even mean?
Like, you know, they used to gas the Jews, Rob.
Right.
Now they're just letting these Jews out there.
They're just out there living their lives.
You know, they used to do something about, oh, they used to, which I don't even exactly know what she's referring to.
Maybe it's McCarthyism.
I guess they and yeah, I guess she's just openly for it.
They they used to investigate people who would say things that were opposed to the war machine.
Just think about what you're hearing right now from the view.
This is the show that will talk about like, yeah, look, I'll be honest.
I have no idea what they talk about, but I assume what they talk about is like who wore what to the Oscars.
Like, I assume that's what you hear on this show usually, right?
Like, it's something for like soccer moms to listen to during the day.
And then it's just like to so casually being like, and shouldn't they just like be like arresting people who disagree with whether or not we should be risking World War III?
I mean, someone suggested there are biolabs in Ukraine.
How's that not being investigated?
All right, let's play the very end of this place.
Publicly calling for why aren't we stripping people of their freedoms and due process?
Their basic freedom of speech.
Yes.
All right, let's play the rest of this.
No bars.
And people are not being told to hate Putin.
Putin doesn't need a reason to be hated.
It's pretty much clear.
He started a war.
He started unnecessary.
But this is kind of what he wanted.
Isn't this continuous to the death at all?
He started a war.
And then the lady says a genocide.
That evidently what's going on in Ukraine now is a genocide.
But don't ask Whoopi about genocide.
She's got some, she's got some uncomfortable, you know.
Wouldn't it be funny also to be to be Whoopi Goldberg, who literally just said, and by the way, we don't know, say defended, but I think we were kind of like Whoopi was unfairly treated when she made her dumbass comments about the Holocaust.
I mean, it was like, we were like, yeah, this was stupid, but it wasn't like evil or anything you should get like ruined over.
And she was very upset that she got suspended for saying the Holocaust wasn't a racial issue or whatever she said.
But now we're talking about genocide.
Of course, that isn't really a genocide.
And it's certainly horrific that innocent people have been killed in this war in Ukraine, but it's not a genocide.
I don't think any by any reasonable definition it is.
But it's funny that now Whoopi, right?
Like the point I'm making is that someone who was just on the hot seat and just in trouble for saying the wrong thing will now be just musing about how for saying the wrong thing.
Maybe you should actually be investigated.
Maybe you should be arrested.
Maybe, you know what I mean?
Like, it's like, wow, you'll just go right over.
This is very different than suggesting someone should be canceled or someone should be, you know, silenced, which, of course, I would still disagree with.
But the idea that the Department of Justice should be investigating you for speaking out against this.
And of course, let's not get it twisted.
When they say people who are spreading Russian propaganda, they mean us.
They mean people like us.
People who will say that, like, I want my Putin check.
Yeah, really?
I ain't got no Putin checks.
Do we at least get something?
Can I get an email, a thank you?
And I appreciate what you're doing for, you know, but like people who will just say that, like, hey, I think that like U.S. NATO provocations have something to do with this situation.
But I think that was, that was to some degree a motivator here.
That is enough to say, oh, yes, you're spreading Putin talking points.
So, I guess I guess we should all just be investigated by the Department of Justice.
Free Filet Mignon Deal00:03:22
Very interesting.
Yeah.
Like I said a few weeks ago, the war propaganda is get ready for it because it's coming hard.
And this is what they do.
This is what they do in the middle of these moments.
So just all I'm saying, my message to all of our listeners is just like fucking see what's going on here.
See what they're fucking doing.
And this will help you.
If you can, if you can sit in the pocket and see what's going on, it'll help you in the future to understand what's real and what's bullshit.
I like how she said there are a war that no one wanted because like the other wars, everyone was like, yippee, I got evaded.
Hell yeah.
Germany's coming in.
All right.
Yeah.
So weird, man.
So weird, too, to just be like, from the position of being someone in the United States of America who like, or like, well, this war is so fucked up that we should start, I don't know, whatever.
No one wanted it.
We should start like arresting everybody who's speaking up against it.
But at the same time, like they'd all kind of acknowledge that America's started a whole bunch of wars over the last 20 years.
And none of them are really advocating that, oh, the rest of the world should be sanctioning us or something like that.
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Inflation and Deficit Reality00:12:15
Anyway, speaking of sanctions, of course, the other big issue that's going on right now is inflation, which is something that I would say is something me and you like to talk about, Rob.
Inflation.
And me and you like to talk about it when it's not popular to talk about.
But all of the sudden, it is popular to talk about because prices are going wacky and nobody can really ignore that right now.
So all Americans kind of see that prices, particularly, I would say, gasoline.
But honestly, I think for quite a while, housing prices have been going nuts.
And I think that that didn't quite get the traction in the corporate press.
But I actually think most people that I've talked to were going nuts about that for the last two years.
The country kind of likes housing prices going up because it means every single baby boomer who currently owns their house, which is like their biggest asset, it's doing better.
And it also kind of plays into the American system of have kids, buy a house.
It's the best investment you can have.
And we kind of also, we like inflationary pressure on assets like that because it forces more buyers to feel like there's urgency to go and make that investment.
The system likes people indebted like that.
So as much as people were frustrated by it, like the system actually kind of likes that.
Yeah.
Well, I will tell you that I've inflation in the stock markets the same way.
You know what I mean?
No one's looking at the stock market and going, oh man, this is terrible.
The stock market's going up.
Housing market's a little bit like that.
No, I think you're right.
And I've, for a long time, I've thought that inflation was actually a problem.
And whether it was in the stock market or in the housing market or any of these things, even though you're right, that a lot of people in the American establishment will tell you that, you know, hey, this is, well, this is great because people are making all of this money.
The people who own these assets are making a bunch of money when there's this inflation because, look, there's the price inflation and they make a bunch of money off of this.
But I always kind of felt like, yeah, but that's not really good because, you know, they're not, you know, it's not as if people are making money from being more productive.
They're just making money for holding something.
And then the fact that they make more money doesn't really do anything in general.
I mean, like, you know, sure, someone who owns a house makes more money when the price goes up, but then someone else who wants to buy a house is that's more out of reach for them.
So this was like my, but I was reading Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises and a lot of Ron Paul and Tom Woods and guys like this.
And I think I missed something because I was just, I just listened to one of the great economists of our time kind of explain what's really going on with inflation.
And it's kind of changed everything that I thought I knew.
So, Brian, we have a video of this brilliant economist breaking down inflation.
Let's see if we can learn something together.
And Inframontor said a trillion dollars over 20 years is saved.
So when we're having this discussion, it's important to dispel some of those who say, well, it's a government spending.
No, it isn't.
The government spending is doing the exact reverse, reducing the national debt.
It is not inflationary.
A. B.
We don't want to reduce the increase in jobs.
We feel very proud of this president breaking records his historic numbers of jobs created in the first year of his term in office and a lot of it traced to the American Recovery Act.
But yeah, we're paying very close attention to it.
But this starts with Putin.
All right, Rob, I was in, I was in the middle of learning.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
She starts off by saying that spending money reduces the national debt.
Yeah.
So just off the bat, that that doesn't make sense.
A debt is you spend money that you don't have, and so then you have more debt.
So spending money when you don't have money.
I'm not, I'm not even saying like this is um like I understand how you feel that way.
But after hearing this genius, Nancy Pelosi say that, no, no, you're wrong.
No, look, this is, and I understand sometimes I'll make these um comparisons from like a household income to the federal, you know, uh, fiscal policy, and people will be like, well, it's not completely apples to apples because blah, blah, blah, or whatever.
But this is exactly the same.
The point she's making is exactly the same as me telling my wife that me charging things on my credit card reduces the amount of credit card debt that we have.
It's the exact same thing.
There's no difference between that.
No, I know that you think that when I charge things, that increases the amount of credit card debt I have.
But I'm telling you that actually we have to dispel with this notion because the truth is that the more I charge on this credit card, the less credit card debt I have.
Are you not getting that?
It makes no sense.
Then the next thing she says is that the spending isn't inflationary.
So that's also just the opposite.
But then she doubles down on her dumbassery and goes, but look at all the jobs we've created.
And guess what?
Creating more jobs.
You know what the Fed's got to do?
It's got to balance unemployment, right?
With the like, that's one of the variables because more people and jobs is inflationary.
That means more people have money to spend.
It means more people are, more jobs are filled.
Pete starts forcing up wage rates.
This is she's telling the wrong lie.
What she wants to say is, hey, listen, we're spending money here, but we have to spend money right now.
We just came out of the pandemic.
We want to make sure everyone has jobs and the economy is going to grow and technology is going to be better.
We got to get out of this rut.
That's what she wants to say.
Yeah, she doesn't even have her lies straight.
The lie to tell is that, yes, of course, this is going to create a little bit more inflation, but overall, that will be good for us because inflation will lead to X, Y, and Z.
But for her to say that this is actually, no, no, no, no, it's actually not causing inflation and it's actually bringing down the debt.
And look, their arguments, if you really get into it, are so absurd.
Their argument is basically that, like, well, the deficit has come down dramatically over the last two years.
And it's like, yeah, but you know, it's kind of like what deficit?
Well, because they'll talk because they'll talk about how they'll talk about how the annual deficit has come down, but it's because it blew up so high in 2020 and 2021 that, of course, it's going to come down a little bit if you're not.
You know, it's kind of like if you if you're like eating a lot of donuts and you're personal, yeah, well, it's just something you can relate to.
But if you're eating donuts and you're eating like two donuts every day, and someone's like, that's a lot of, no, it's not, not yet.
But someone goes, oh, that's a lot of donuts.
And then one day you eat 12 donuts.
Okay.
And then the next day you eat eight donuts.
And you go, dude, you were just eating two donuts a day and you just ate eight donuts today.
And you go, dude, I ate 12 yesterday.
So this is actually a substantial reduction in the amount of donuts that I'm eating.
I mean, as stupid as that would be to say, is as stupid as it is to argue like, well, we've brought down the deficit.
It's like, yes, that is true.
You've brought down the deficit, but it's because you ballooned it so high that even bringing it down is still higher than you were at previous levels where we were a little bit concerned about what you were doing.
I think we're looking at the wrong way.
They got this new thing, modern monetary theory, and it's modern.
You and me, we're old school, so we don't get it.
With modern monetary theory, it is modern.
The deficits don't matter.
And the way that you prove that is by keep spending and keep adding to it to prove that it doesn't matter.
Because otherwise, how do you prove that it doesn't matter unless you add to it?
You really prove it.
You got to actually test it, get out there, spend all the money, and it doesn't matter.
That is a good point.
Yeah, that's right.
You have to keep doing it.
And then if it collapses, that just means that you haven't done modern monetary policy.
Right, because it's not modern yet.
No, you were still on the old system.
It's not modern.
That's ancient monetary policy right there.
Yeah, because everyone else wasn't on board with your new thing.
But it's funny because there's also all of this talk right now about the Fed raising interest rates and whether they will do that to rein in inflation.
And look, just to be like real simple about this shit for people who this is not what they focus on.
If you think about it like this, right?
The tool that the Fed has to try to rein in inflation.
And this is why they even know what inflation really is.
Inflation is not a rise in pricing.
Prices going up is not inflation.
Inflation is more money and credit being extended into the system.
And this is true, even if you go, if you go take your Series 6 test, this will be the correct answer.
If they ask you on your Series 6, what is inflation?
And there's like multiple choice, there'll probably be different answers.
And one of them would be like, higher prices.
And by the way, that's the wrong answer.
That's the wrong answer.
It's not higher prices.
The answer would be the one that says more money chasing the same amount of goods.
That's inflation.
So inflation is not just pricing going up.
This gets confused a lot.
Inflation is more money chasing the same amount of goods.
In other words, I know this is something I've, you know, we've talked about on the show for years, but it's more relevant than ever.
But if you were to say, like, let's say that whatever, let's say that you have, let's say you come up with a technology, like a technological advancement, where let's say you're picking apples or something like that, and people are picking them by hand.
And then you invent a machine that picks the apples.
And so the price of apples drastically falls, you know, like, cause you don't need to hire all of these people.
You used to need to hire just the hypothetical made-up scenario, right?
You used to need to hire 20 people to go out there all day long.
You had to pay all of them, but now you invent some machine that picks all the apples for you.
And all of those people, you don't have to pay them salary anymore.
And, you know, some bullshit, you know, economist might be like, oh, my God, the employment rate is falling, but whatever.
But you pick all of them and it only costs you a few cents a day and you get all these apples.
So now an apple used to cost like five bucks and now it only costs a dollar, let's say.
Okay.
And then you print so much money that the currency is devalued that the price of apples goes back up to $5.
Now, if you measured by prices, you could say, well, it used to be $5 and it's still $5.
There's been no inflation.
Delta 8 and Gas Prices00:04:06
But if you actually understand what's happening there, there's been tremendous inflation.
The price was falling all the way down and you drove it back up.
So there has been inflation.
Inflation is introducing new money into the system.
So inflation is the Federal Reserve, the central bank printing new money, and then the government spending that money into the economy.
That is the inflation.
No matter what they tell you, I promise you, that's what inflation is.
Just keep that in mind.
Okay.
So that's what's actually going on here: is that the inflation has been going on for quite a long time.
And for someone like Nancy Pelosi to tell you that this has nothing to do with government spending or she certainly won't even mention the money printing, just ignore that and don't even think about it.
That's not reality.
Reality is that the inflation comes from the money printing and inflation comes from the government spending this money into the economy.
And particularly when you have something like what happened in the year 2020 and 2021, where they're just giving direct checks, stimulus checks to people, that's what you're going to deal with when you have that.
You're going to deal with the problems of inflation.
And of course, all other things being the same, inflation will lead to rising prices.
So that's what we're dealing with right now.
Just, I just feel like as a basic like 101, that should be mentioned.
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Now, as we're dealing with this inflationary kind of spiral or this spike that we're going through right now, I think it's worth thinking about what so many of these people have been pushing for years and years.
You know, say like the like now that gas prices are spiking, just think about the fact that the people who have been pushing, let's say, a carbon tax, this is what they've wanted.
Like if you're pushing a carbon tax, what you've wanted is Americans paying more for gasoline.
So just keep that in mind.
What you're suffering through right now has been the intended goal of many people in the political class for quite a while.
I think that's that's one thing to mention.
Interest Rate Signaling Failures00:08:15
It's not a way to look at it, but you're right.
Because they always, because I mean, their fantasy is that if we raise prices, there's an incentive for these green technologies.
And so by the time you'll never see they like to lie, you'll never see those price increases because of windmills or because of solar or because of whatever the fuck else.
And we're all experiencing it firsthand of no, if you cut down on you know the amount of energy that's available and the amount of drilling or oil or other way uh pipelines and ways of moving it around your prices will increase.
No, I also should mention, and this is what I meant to get to um a second ago, that the Fed will almost admit this in their actions, right?
Like they know, look, they'll say, let me put it this way, right?
When I was talking about whether prices, whether prices rising are inflation or whether just more money in the system is inflation.
What does the Fed do, Rob, when they say, okay, we have to get inflation under control?
What do they talk about doing?
What are they talking about doing right now?
Raising interest rates.
Correct.
Raising interest rates.
Now, why would raising interest rates make a corporation less greedy?
Does it make you charge less for your product?
Well, no.
What does it do?
What does raising interest rates really do?
Well, what it does is that it, or at least the plan is that it will make people more likely to save their money, right?
So if interest rates are raised, it will make it more likely than compared to them being lower that people will save their money to get that interest.
So in other words, they will even acknowledge that that's what they'll do to control inflation is raise interest rates so that instead of keeping your money in the economy, you'll park it in one of their banks to get the interest rate.
So they raise interest rates so you'll park your money, take it out of the economy to get inflation under control.
Now, the Fed is saying that they're going to raise interest rates with the goal of getting inflation under control.
But the thing is this: they say interest is the worst it's been since the 70s.
I mean, inflation.
I'm sorry, that's right.
They say inflation is the worst it's been since the 70s.
However, if you use the CPI that they used to use in the 70s, it's actually worse than it was in the 70s.
They've changed the CPI several times over since then.
And as I said before, that's not even really the measure of inflation.
The measure should be how much new money and credit is expanded into the system, but leaving that alone.
In the early 80s, to rein in the inflation of the 70s, the then Fed chairman Volcker raised the Fed fund rates up to the Fed fund rate went up to, I believe, 19 or 20% in order to rein in the inflation.
That the last time we had inflation this bad, that's what they needed to do in order to rein in inflation.
This inflation, which by the same CPI is worse than that inflation, they are now the current Fed fund rate, the target rate is between zero and a quarter of a point.
And they're talking about raising it a quarter of a point.
That's what's going on right now.
So, you tell me, Rob, is this really a move to reign in inflation?
Or is this a goddamn fucking show that has no chance of reigning in inflation, but is just making everyone feel a little bit better, trying to signal to the markets that, no, no, no, no, don't worry, we're going to take care of this.
All they're doing right now is saying, Hey, what will fuck with the markets more?
What will like what will hurt it more if we signal that we're trying to rein in inflation or signal that we don't care about inflation?
That's all.
You're talking about a quarter of a point increase on the Fed funds rate.
That's what you're talking about.
You're 100% right.
There's a there's a little technicality that I'm going to add to this, which is one, I would venture to guess that in the 70s, they were not, um, there wasn't as much expansionary monetary policy.
And what I mean is not just interest rates, but the Fed wasn't involved in actually just directly putting money into the stock market.
Yeah, no, that's that's true.
That's true, yes.
And they can also somewhat direct monetary policy, which I haven't heard that they're doing, uh, but by selling bonds, I believe, if I remember my history of money and banking correctly, yes, uh, buying bonds puts more money into the system and selling them takes some money out of the system.
Now, I would venture to guess, I'm on a bit of a tangent here, that I don't really understand why that would work at this point because people use those federal bonds as collateral at this point to create more money.
So, I don't, I don't know if that tool works as well.
But, anyways, there is a reduction that didn't exist in the 70s.
And that if the Fed is not going to actually be doing the quantitative easing, whatever other shenanigans they've been doing with the banks, there should be a tightening there.
And then, what you were talking about with the signaling is it to an extent, I agree with the way that you look at inflation, which is kind of the Austrian way of looking at it.
However, I guess the velocity, this might not even be the right way to say the velocity of how quickly inflation might happen also pens on people's expectation of inflation.
So, people expect inflation, then they demand higher wages.
They, you know what I mean?
It kind of is a self, um, a self-fulfilling cycle.
I agree.
I agree with that.
I think that expectations and what people demand has a, has a huge effect on what happens in real life.
I'm just making the point that the idea that the interest rates, an interest rate raise, could actually rein in this amount of excess money in the system when you're talking about a quarter of a point, whereas the last time that we had this level of excess money in the system, we needed 20 points, not a quarter of a point.
My point is that whatever you're right, the expectations will keep the system kind of going, but at a certain point, the expectations will meet the reality.
So, I agree with you.
I'm just saying that let's get real, that nobody, because of the economy that we live in right now, which is addicted to artificially low interest rates.
And that's because we're dealing with a $30 trillion national debt and spending whatever it is for $5 trillion a year, all of that.
You can't do that with 20% interest rates.
You can't do that with 5% interest rates.
My point is that they can't even discuss an interest rate raise that would actually be serious about reigning in inflation.
But I do agree that you're, I think you're right, that expectations and the way regular people feel about this has a lot to do with what happens in the short term in our economy.
My point is more that this will have to be recognized ultimately.
And the other variable, which is what you were alluding to in your Apple's example, is that prices could have been less and they ended up being in the same place because of inflation.
So you could have had like, for example, some of the shit that we buy because it's coming in from China and there's so much available labor over there and there's been so much improvement in technology.
It could be items that we're spending $200 on now.
If we didn't have inflation would cost us $2 or $3.
So what makes this a little bit different than the 70s is while according to the Austrians, inflation is only a monetary phenomenon, right?
If you're printing and making more money available, you will have inflation.
Trevor Noah Mask Confusion00:08:11
At this juncture in time, I'm not saying it's the leading cause.
I'm not going with Biden's talking points here, but there is supply line issues, which is in part the fact that Trump forced manufacturers to leave China, which will create an increase in costs.
We've shut down a lot over the course of the last year with COVID.
And now you've got that Biden, you know, made some of our oil reserves not available and just fucked up thing with Russia.
So it could be, I'm just like, as a theoretical, and I'm not saying you won't end up with inflation with all the money we've put into the system and that that's not part of what we're seeing here.
But I guess if you're the Fed and you're just looking for a little bit of balance, if maybe you can let people think, hey, we are going to tighten things and then get to a point where you've actually alleviated some of the supply line stuff.
It could be that they actually do kick the can on like super hyperinflation down the road a little bit.
I'm just talking in theoretical situation.
No, I know.
Okay.
I don't completely disagree with that.
I understand what you're saying.
All right.
Okay.
Let's one more thing before we get out of here and call it an episode.
I wanted to play this stuck out to me.
So the daily show with Trevor Noah, the daily show, I'm old enough to remember when this was culturally relevant, this show.
It's been a long time since then, but this was kind of interesting to me.
There was a Trevor Noah clip that was going viral.
He's been more and more almost like slowly admitting the truth, which is interesting.
Is he not funny?
Yes, he's been saying that.
He's been saying, I am not funny.
I never should have had this show.
This thing sucks and I ruined it.
Isaac goes, I'm not funny and I do not understand American culture.
But this was, it's interesting for me and I'm sure for you too, to see people in our kind of space coming around to kind of admitting that we have something here without admitting it, even though they're the ones who would have been just, you know, mocking and shitting on us the whole time.
So anyway, here is Trevor Noah the other day on the daily show.
Restrictions are being lifted so quickly that things are getting a little confusing, you know?
Like, for example, okay, right here in New York City, Mayor Eric Adams has lifted the rule that you have to be vaccinated to attend indoor events.
Okay, that's gone.
But there is still a rule that you have to be vaccinated to go to your workplace.
So if someone's job is at an indoor event, they can't go to work, but they can show up to work to watch their colleagues do their thing.
Yeah.
Which is exactly what happened this weekend.
A big matchup at Barclay Center with the Nets taking on the Knicks.
But Kyrie Irving, who's ineligible to play in the city for failing to comply with the vaccine mandate for city workers, he might have stolen the show.
He attended the game as a fan and watched his Nets win from the sidelines.
He paid for a ticket, just like a regular person.
Yeah, guys, I don't care like how COVID compliant you are.
Shit like this makes zero sense.
Can we agree on that?
Can we what so Kyrie can go inside, not wear a mask, even hug a teammate, but he cannot play.
I don't get it.
Why does the bull have a weak immune system?
What's going on?
I mean, it's crazy.
Just think about it.
Just think about Kyrie can't play, but he can sit in the stands, right?
Like a fan.
And then, as a fan, what happens if he gets picked to take the half-court shot to win the car?
Can he do that?
What are those rules?
How does it work?
Okay, can I ask something?
And I honestly don't know the answer to this.
Um, speaking of COVID, you know, insane regulations, is Trevor Noah not allowed to have a live audience, or is there a live audience there who is as unimpressed with his comedy as we are?
Like, is there like why?
Well, while we're on this subject, if Madison Square Garden can fill up with like you know, 17,000 fans, why can't Trevor Noah have a couple hundred people in his audience?
And why can't they pay them to laugh?
Like, I just feel like that should be something they're allowed to do.
Um, I hate it, dude.
I hate it because this is no different than all the jokes I've been making the last two years, and it was a shame on you, and it was just as obvious the entire time, and now all of a sudden it's okay.
Exactly.
So, all of the sudden, we're allowed to talk about the obvious hypocrisies of the COVID restrictions.
And I get it, I get that it's more in your face than ever, and they're rolling back more of them than ever.
But, you know, come on from the very beginning, whether you're talking about, um, remember when you had to wear a mask to go to your seat in a restaurant, but then you could sit down and take the mask off and eat and hang out, or you know, look, I've been on airplanes like fucking I've been on a lot of airplanes recently, and you they still make you wear the fucking mask.
And I've still been told a couple times, you know, even in fucking first class, Rob, where you'd think they should show some goddamn respect, but you're like the flight attendants coming around going, Oh, the mask is under your nose, you have to lift it up, or if I take the mask off for too long, oh, you have to put your mask back on, and they go, You have to have your mask on, but also here's a drink and here's some food, so you can sit right next to this person, and you know, you guys can have your mask off as long as you're eating your food, but then you have to put it back on.
I mean, just so many of these fucking, I remember Rogan, uh, Joe Rogan's a goddamn hero, but I remember Joe Rogan talking about, and it was one of the most Joe Rogan moments ever.
And it was when the UFC had their first event after COVID.
I think it was in April of 2020, and it was insane because all sports had been canceled.
It might have been May, but it was all sports had been canceled.
And then the UFC had an event, you know, and they were like, oh, we're testing everyone and blah, blah, blah, whatever.
And they were out there in front of the cameras and everyone was like distanced, like they were all away from each other.
And Rogan, at one point, is just, he's talking to them and he goes, this is so ridiculous.
He goes, we're all distanced right now.
But right before when we were back in the locker room, we were all just talking to each other.
Like, what are we doing?
You know, and it's just this weird moment where everyone, they all wanted to pretend in front of the cameras.
Like, what?
Oh, I don't know.
What are you talking about?
But yeah, that's the reality of it.
This, this, what he's talking about has been going on since April of 2020.
It's been two years.
And now he's finally willing to go.
You know, there are some really weird contradictions in all of this COVID, you know, restriction policy.
I don't know what else to say about that, but he's not.
It's like you're not even being funny with it.
At least when Jon Stewart finally was willing to talk about the fucking Wuhan lab, he made it a funny bet.
Fuck you, Trevor Noah.
Get an audience back.
Get some people in there.
It would be fucked up if I find out after this that he had a packed audience and they're just all feel like me and you feel.
They're all like that.
Was okay.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
Yeah, I didn't like it.
I don't like it, Rob.
I disagree with you.
It's not okay.
All right.
That's our show for today.
We'll be back soon.
Thank you very much for listening.
Run your mouth.
Run your mouth.
What else you got coming up, Rob?
Denver, not this weekend, but next weekend because I'm retarded.
So, you know, check dates before you buy tickets.
Fuck that.
I was just out in Denver.
Now you're going out there.
Okay.
All right.
Rob going out to Denver.
I'll be in Minneapolis and Dallas, Texas, doing some LP events out there.