Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - #TeamRogan
Aired: 2022-02-08
Duration: 01:08:38


=== Political Hit Job on Rogan (13:19) ===

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[00:00:30]  Here's your host, Dave Smith.
[00:00:34]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  What is up?
[00:00:36]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:39]  I am Dave Smith, the libertarian Tupac, the most consistent motherfucker you know.
[00:00:45]  And he is Robbie the fire Bernstein, king of the cocks, COVID Jesus.
[00:00:51]  What's up, my brother?
[00:00:52]  How you feeling?
[00:00:53]  I'm doing great.
[00:00:53]  Pleasure to be here with you this evening, Dave.
[00:00:56]  Very good.
[00:00:57]  I saw you put out a new video today, your mouth special.
[00:01:01]  Check it out.
[00:01:02]  Deep dive into Raskin's appointment to the Fed.
[00:01:05]  You guys will love it.
[00:01:06]  Very cool.
[00:01:07]  Very cool.
[00:01:07]  Yeah, definitely go check that out.
[00:01:09]  If you guys do not, if you guys have it, if you listen to this show and you haven't checked out Run Your Mouth yet, you're going to enjoy it.
[00:01:15]  Go check it out.
[00:01:16]  That's Rob's other podcast.
[00:01:17]  It's excellent.
[00:01:18]  I highly recommend it.
[00:01:19]  Very funny, very informative.
[00:01:21]  All right.
[00:01:22]  So for today's show, I figured we'd kind of have to open by talking about the latest controversy that my boy Joe Rogan has found himself in gold.
[00:01:41]  It's guns ablazing.
[00:01:43]  Yeah, no, it sure is.
[00:01:45]  I'll tell you, I'm like a little reluctant almost to talk about this, but I'm just getting like inundated with tweets and stuff and people asking me my take on everything.
[00:01:55]  And, you know, it's like, oh my God, I've never seen a story dominate fucking social media like this one has.
[00:02:05]  And so anyway, I guess let's get into it a little bit.
[00:02:10]  So in the midst of all of the controversies that have been going on with Joe Rogan, that have all involved his standing up to the COVID regime.
[00:02:27]  I mean, that's really what it's been about.
[00:02:29]  And, you know, standing up to the regime in general, which is something that Rogan's done a lot of.
[00:02:35]  And of course, that doesn't mean that he's, I like Rogan's not like a pure libertarian the way I am.
[00:02:45]  He's also not like a pure leftist, the way some leftists are.
[00:02:48]  He's not exactly any of those things.
[00:02:51]  But I think Rogan has for a long time been somebody who really smells the bullshit and corruption of the regime.
[00:03:01]  And so he's very interested in talking to people who oppose the regime in whatever different ways that might be.
[00:03:10]  And maybe some people who don't oppose it as radically as others, but even people like Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard or people like that, who at least seem to be calling out the status quo.
[00:03:23]  He's always more interested in those guys.
[00:03:25]  And of course, he's talked to a lot of like our guys as well, you know, like me and Michael Malice and, you know, people like that.
[00:03:34]  And anyway, so he's been, of course, in the big controversy over the COVID stuff, over having, you know, Dr. Malone, who's, you know, it's funny because, of course, as we've talked about before, like, no one could really argue with his like credits.
[00:03:52]  I know he does claim sometimes that he invented the mRNA vaccine, which might be a little bit of a stretch, but he certainly was like somebody who was one of the most active participants in the development of them.
[00:04:07]  And it's, you know, what did Fauci invent?
[00:04:09]  AIDS?
[00:04:09]  So, well, he did a very big public service when he explained to us that you could catch it by just looking at someone with AIDS.
[00:04:18]  But that he went to China and he bought this virus.
[00:04:21]  What credentials that guy got?
[00:04:22]  Yeah.
[00:04:23]  Yeah.
[00:04:23]  No, he's listening.
[00:04:24]  He's good at buying viruses.
[00:04:26]  I don't know.
[00:04:26]  He's got a lot of credentials, Rob.
[00:04:27]  Have you ever made a virus that caused a global pandemic?
[00:04:31]  I don't think so.
[00:04:31]  So, what do you got to stand on?
[00:04:33]  All right, we're going to get kicked off.
[00:04:35]  But anyway, that's not all of that's just satire.
[00:04:39]  With a little, that is possibly true.
[00:04:42]  Satire with, you know, that's good satire.
[00:04:44]  He went through eco-health.
[00:04:46]  So, you know, there's nuance here.
[00:04:47]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:48]  Exactly.
[00:04:49]  So, you know, it's funny.
[00:04:51]  And it's very easy to kind of like tear up all of this stuff.
[00:04:54]  Like, some of the funny things are that it's like, so Rogan, you know, of course, has had like he had CNN's Dr. Gupta on the show.
[00:05:07]  Yeah.
[00:05:07]  Well, but look, he's, he has the CNN doctor on the show making his case for vaccines.
[00:05:13]  And then he has this Dr. Malone guy on the show making his case against vaccines.
[00:05:18]  And don't you find something kind of interesting about that that they just freak out that he had the other side on?
[00:05:24]  Like they're all like, oh, this dangerous misinformation because people trust Joe Rogan's show.
[00:05:29]  And now they're going to trust this doctor and they're going to be blah, blah, blah.
[00:05:32]  But it's like, so then why wouldn't Dr. Gupta have convinced them all to get the vaccine?
[00:05:37]  Well, why are you so worried to have this other side on when you have your guy on there too, who's going to make what is obviously right, a way more compelling argument, right?
[00:05:48]  It's like, ooh, maybe you're a little insecure about your argument actually being more compelling.
[00:05:53]  No, I think that's it.
[00:05:54]  It's that the truth side, you know, if you let that on, people are like, I think that makes a little more sense.
[00:06:00]  Well, right.
[00:06:01]  So if you, if you have the truth on your side, right?
[00:06:04]  Like, could you imagine on any issue, like any issue that we really care about?
[00:06:09]  Let's say it's like, you know, I don't know, just name a fucking issue that we really care about.
[00:06:15]  The central banking, okay?
[00:06:16]  Just to pick one.
[00:06:18]  Let's say you went, you have Joe Rogan.
[00:06:20]  He's got 11 million people, the biggest fucking audience, you know, in media at this point.
[00:06:28]  And you went, well, he's going to have two people on, and one of them is going to be Ben Bernanke, who's going to be arguing for the status quo of monetary policy.
[00:06:40]  And then he'll have your guy on, Rob.
[00:06:43]  Then he's going to have on David Stockman for three hours, you know, and David Stockman gets to explain to his audience exactly why central banking is so destructive and such a racket and how it, you know, perverts the economy and creates bubbles and all of this.
[00:06:58]  He's going to is would there be any part of you that would even think in your head, well, we need to ban him from having Ben Bernackey on.
[00:07:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:07:09]  Like, wouldn't you right away be like, that's great.
[00:07:11]  I will take that deal in a heartbeat.
[00:07:13]  Now, part of that might be because we're coming from a weaker position and we don't control the entire system.
[00:07:22]  But there's also just something that it's like, well, no, that's just, you don't believe in the spirit of censorship.
[00:07:26]  You believe in the spirit of free speech.
[00:07:27]  And I think, I mean, I think I speak for you.
[00:07:30]  I certainly for myself.
[00:07:31]  You would go, that's fantastic.
[00:07:32]  That's amazing.
[00:07:33]  Have them on together.
[00:07:34]  Let them battle it out.
[00:07:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:07:36]  Like, this will be just like incredible.
[00:07:39]  And you could apply this to any other issue, but that's not their attitude.
[00:07:43]  And it does, I think, show a real insecurity that they're like, well, no, we need to be the only ones who are allowed to express our point of view.
[00:07:52]  Because if people hear this other side, they are going to be convinced by it.
[00:07:57]  It's the whole, it's the pull of misinformation.
[00:08:00]  And it's like junk food that it's not good for us, but it's what everyone just so very, very loves.
[00:08:06]  Right.
[00:08:07]  So, anyway, so right on the heels of this, right on the heels of all of this controversy, all of the sudden, completely coincidentally, this montage video of Rogan being cool?
[00:08:24]  Was that the word you're looking for?
[00:08:26]  This montage video of Rogan making awesome points comes out, and it's like one after the other, like, whoa, I never thought about things like that.
[00:08:35]  Oh, look, it's just, it's him saying, I mean, okay, I'm not going to say the word because I don't want to get kicked off stupid fucking YouTube, but he's saying the N-word.
[00:08:45]  And there's no context to the video.
[00:08:48]  It's just chopped up like just the word, and then right to the next one.
[00:08:53]  And there's, you know, they got like him saying it like, you know, nine or 10 times or something like that.
[00:08:59]  And this comes out.
[00:09:00]  It goes super viral.
[00:09:03]  Rogan responded to it with an apology video.
[00:09:06]  And now this is like what's really blowing up.
[00:09:10]  Also, I guess related that Spotify has pulled some episodes of the Joe Rogan experience down.
[00:09:20]  So this is kind of what everyone's been flipping out about and talking about a whole bunch.
[00:09:25]  And so let me start.
[00:09:29]  I would just say this, right?
[00:09:32]  This is, and I think this is just so obvious that I don't really see any way to argue with it.
[00:09:40]  But this is because of the fucking COVID stuff.
[00:09:49]  Like, I mean, does that point even need to be made?
[00:09:52]  But like, yes, it's not a coincidence that this just happened now, right on the heels of all of these other controversies.
[00:09:58]  What this is about is not any genuine concern that Joe Rogan is racist.
[00:10:06]  It's just not.
[00:10:07]  That's not what this is about.
[00:10:10]  This is very simply about the fact that Joe Rogan is over the target.
[00:10:17]  And, you know, they say, like, that's when they start, when they start shooting at you, that means you're over the target.
[00:10:22]  He's over the target and he's over a huge fucking target.
[00:10:26]  Like, this is, he's on the money.
[00:10:28]  He's been right.
[00:10:30]  They're, they're putting out their propaganda and screaming that he's putting out misinformation, but he's right and they're wrong.
[00:10:36]  And he's right about the biggest thing ever.
[00:10:40]  Like the biggest thing in our lifetime, the sweeping rise of totalitarianism around the Western world, all based off lies, all based off pseudoscience and measures that do not mitigate this virus at all, from the lockdowns to the mask mandates to the vaccine mandates to the vaccine passports, all of these things.
[00:11:04]  Like he's right about it and they're wrong about it.
[00:11:08]  And he has heroically, in my humble opinion, stood up to the regime and told the truth, you know, to the biggest on the biggest platform that there is.
[00:11:21]  That's what this is about.
[00:11:23]  And that's just that.
[00:11:25]  These other videos have been floating out there for a while.
[00:11:28]  It's not a coincidence that they came out right now.
[00:11:30]  And I also should add that there's been some, if you want to check my Twitter at Comic Dave Smith, if you don't follow me over there, I just tweeted out this whole thread because this is coming out and now starting to blow up that the company that put the video out and got it up to having millions of views and all of this, they are seemingly controlled by or working with a Democratic Party super PAC.
[00:11:56]  That's what this is about.
[00:11:57]  This is a political hit job that came down on Rogan.
[00:12:01]  So just saying that this is the this is what's happening in this situation.
[00:12:08]  And of course, it's because this is, you know, it's like all the things we've talked about a bunch: that Rogan has such a huge audience, that he's so much more trusted than the rest of them, that he was able to leave YouTube and grow his audience over on Spotify, which was kind of, you know, most people would have thought was unimaginable just a couple of years ago.
[00:12:33]  And that he's right and standing up against the propaganda on the most important issue.
[00:12:39]  So that's what's going on here.
[00:12:42]  And so I don't know.
[00:12:42]  I guess just starting with all of that, that's what I think is kind of like necessary to point out to frame things up correctly.
[00:12:52]  So the video comes out.
[00:12:56]  And Rogan made an apology video for it.
[00:13:00]  Now, all right, I don't know which one to talk about first.
[00:13:04]  I guess I'll say this: right, I think it's absolutely disgusting the people who are trying to like come at Rogan and ruin him with this stuff.
[00:13:19]  I just think it's so low.

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[00:13:20]  I mean, I like the doing these like chopped up videos where you like fucking take things completely out of context just to make someone look bad.
[00:13:28]  I think it's just really behavior with no honor and no integrity.
[00:13:37]  You know what I mean?
[00:13:38]  I would never like, I couldn't imagine doing that to my worst enemy.
[00:13:41]  Like I would just feel too sleazy about doing that.
[00:13:44]  Like there's just no honor in taking a three-second clip out of context, then another three-second clip, then a five-second clip.
[00:13:52]  Like, come on.
[00:13:53]  What type of like decent human does shit like this?
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=== Rogan's Apology and Context (10:42) ===

[00:15:52]  And I also, you know, I'll tell you from my perspective.
[00:15:59]  And I think this is something that most comics probably would agree with, and that I think most, well, maybe not most, I shouldn't say, but certainly there's a lot of people, I think, who would get this.
[00:16:12]  I think that the idea that there's a word that cannot be uttered, yet you can refer to the word with the letter that it starts with, but you dare not utter the word if you're of the wrong skin pigment is so stupid that it's actually mind-boggling to me that that's real.
[00:16:42]  And so many people believe it.
[00:16:43]  I just don't, I don't know how to express how insanely stupid I think that is.
[00:16:49]  And I think it's insulting to black people to say, like, if this word is uttered, they just fall apart because they're such emotional creatures that are so triggered that they're not capable of like understanding the difference between someone saying like, oh, it's wrong to just walk up to a black person and call them, you know, and saying the word.
[00:17:12]  Or if they, if you say, like, you know, I hate N-words.
[00:17:16]  So I guess, wait, that's better if you didn't say the word, but you just said N-words and said, like, this is, this is so insane to me.
[00:17:24]  And almost, and in all of the clips, that's the context that Rogan's using it in.
[00:17:29]  Like he's just, instead of saying the N-word, he just says the word.
[00:17:33]  And he's an adult about it.
[00:17:35]  Yes.
[00:17:36]  And so I, anyway, so that's, I guess, my feeling about that.
[00:17:40]  So I'm really disgusted by the people who are trying to come after him.
[00:17:45]  But I also think that people are being way too harsh on him for his apology.
[00:17:49]  Now, I will say, you know, full like disclaimer, I love Joe Rogan.
[00:17:56]  Like, I think he's a fucking great dude.
[00:17:58]  He's been super helpful to me in my career.
[00:18:01]  And he's, he's a friend of mine.
[00:18:02]  And so I'm biased in that direction.
[00:18:05]  I'm also just like, I admire the guy a lot.
[00:18:08]  Like he's, you know, I've like, I admire him as a comedian.
[00:18:12]  I admire him as a fucking truth teller on this podcast.
[00:18:15]  I admire him as an MMA analyst.
[00:18:16]  I just, I really like the guy.
[00:18:18]  He's a really great dude.
[00:18:19]  So I'm a little bit biased on this.
[00:18:21]  But like, look, I wouldn't have done it that way.
[00:18:27]  And I kind of wish he hadn't.
[00:18:29]  I don't think it was the best way to handle things, but I do think it was a very Joe Rogan move.
[00:18:35]  And I think he was being very genuine.
[00:18:37]  And I think that that's why one of the reasons why people like Joe Rogan so much because he is actually a very humble guy and a very genuine guy.
[00:18:46]  And that comes off.
[00:18:47]  Look, when you, do you remember the moment, Rob, in the Gupta episode when he goes, he was calling him out on the horse medicine thing, why CNN is talking about horse medicine?
[00:18:59]  And Rogan goes, he has this moment where he goes, he goes, I can afford people medicine, motherfucker.
[00:19:05]  And it was, if you know Rogan and you listen to the show a lot, it was a kind of interesting moment because he doesn't usually talk like that.
[00:19:12]  You know what I mean?
[00:19:13]  Like Rogan doesn't usually go like, yeah, I got fucking money, dude.
[00:19:17]  Like we all know he does, but he doesn't really like to like, like he's humble about that shit.
[00:19:21]  But in that moment, they were being so dirty to him that he had to like pull that out and go.
[00:19:26]  He's like, hey, motherfucker, like I'm richer than you or anyone on your network, you know, but that's very rare.
[00:19:32]  That part of the reason why that moment stuck out is because it's very rare.
[00:19:35]  And I took his apology to be a genuine thing.
[00:19:39]  I think that, you know, it's very easy for a lot of people to judge, oh, you should never do that.
[00:19:45]  And, okay, you or I nor anybody else we know is in the situation that Rogan's in.
[00:19:53]  You have no idea what the fucking pressure.
[00:19:55]  is that he's under, you know, like so many of these fucking people like who are like, I'd never apologize.
[00:20:01]  It's like, yeah, okay, let 500 grand be on the line.
[00:20:06]  See how much, how many of those people would say whatever the fuck they need to say for that 500 grand.
[00:20:11]  By the way, my point isn't even that Rogan's saying this for the money.
[00:20:13]  He's obviously not.
[00:20:14]  My point is just that you have no idea like the pressure of being like put out there like that to the entire world where you're like putting out this compilation that's going to make you look so awful.
[00:20:28]  And I think he saw that and was like, fuck, I don't want to be that guy.
[00:20:32]  And I do think that he genuinely feels like he doesn't agree with what I just said before.
[00:20:37]  He used to.
[00:20:38]  And now he goes, eh, you know what?
[00:20:40]  Like if there's this word that's going to piss a whole bunch of fucking people off and they don't like Sarah, I just won't say it.
[00:20:45]  I'll say the fucking N-word instead of saying the word.
[00:20:47]  That's just it.
[00:20:48]  You know, I think he believes that now.
[00:20:50]  Now, I disagree, but there, you know, there's perhaps an argument there.
[00:20:54]  So whatever.
[00:20:56]  There were a few things in the apology video that I really wish he hadn't said.
[00:21:01]  Like, I just, I don't think it's shameful.
[00:21:03]  I don't think there's anything that he has to be ashamed of there.
[00:21:08]  And also, you know, the comment about if you have to say you're not racist, you've already fucked up.
[00:21:17]  I really like profoundly disagree with that.
[00:21:19]  It's like, no, that's their whole game.
[00:21:21]  Their whole game is they call you racist even when they know you're not racist.
[00:21:24]  And then that's the position they put you in.
[00:21:27]  Trump doesn't need to apologize for not being Hitler.
[00:21:30]  He just isn't Hitler.
[00:21:31]  Right, right.
[00:21:32]  You can't say like, oh, you're fucking up because that's their whole game.
[00:21:35]  It's like, okay, so then like, if that's the truth, if you're fucking up if you are racist and you're fucking up if you say you're not racist, well, then all I have to do is call you racist.
[00:21:43]  And now look, sit back, you fuck up no matter what you say.
[00:21:47]  So I, you know, I wish he hadn't said that, but I also say a lot of people out there.
[00:21:53]  I just think being like a very cocky, and I think that they people would be good to have a little bit more humility in this situation.
[00:22:02]  Like, I don't know.
[00:22:04]  I like, like, I do sympathize with people who are like, hey, I wish he hadn't apologized.
[00:22:08]  But there's all these people who are like, you never apologize to the mob that guarantees that it'll make it worse.
[00:22:16]  And you're like, all right, I understand.
[00:22:20]  You know, Rogan is not exactly in the same game that me and you are in.
[00:22:26]  He's not in the same game that a lot of these other people who are like, well, we're at war with the woke, you know, authoritarians.
[00:22:32]  Like Rogan's like the biggest fucking media figure having conversations with all types of different fucking people and like on this huge level.
[00:22:41]  And the idea that it's like, well, the rules are you never apologize.
[00:22:46]  It's like, I don't know, this is kind of a new game.
[00:22:48]  And it's really never happened at this level before.
[00:22:51]  Like it's never happened at this level.
[00:22:53]  What's happening, Rogan now.
[00:22:54]  So don't be so confident that you know what the rules are.
[00:22:57]  The rules are if you apologize, you lose.
[00:23:00]  Now Rogan's guaranteed to be canceled or something.
[00:23:03]  I don't know about that.
[00:23:04]  I don't know.
[00:23:06]  Just be humble.
[00:23:07]  Maybe he's right and you're wrong.
[00:23:09]  Maybe this actually dies down in a few weeks now and he's as big as ever or bigger than ever.
[00:23:14]  I mean, there's a huge fucking overwhelming outpouring of support for him going on on social media right now.
[00:23:21]  I'm not so sure.
[00:23:22]  I mean, I know lots of people who didn't apologize and still got fucking canceled.
[00:23:26]  So it's certainly not, it's not so self-evident that that's the way to go, like that that will protect you.
[00:23:32]  You know what I mean?
[00:23:33]  So I don't know.
[00:23:34]  I'm just saying I don't know.
[00:23:36]  There is, in my heart of hearts, I wish he hadn't.
[00:23:38]  You know what I mean?
[00:23:39]  I wish he had come out and just said and still just been like, listen, like, you know, just said kind of some of the stuff we've been saying here that none of these people, no one really thinks Joe Rogan's racist.
[00:23:50]  No one thinks Joe Rogan doesn't like black people or is shitty to black people or anything like that.
[00:23:55]  What is the complaint here that he uttered a word you dare not like?
[00:23:58]  What are we children?
[00:23:59]  Is this Harry Potter?
[00:24:01]  Like literally, it's like, you said Voldemort.
[00:24:03]  Like, what?
[00:24:05]  What is this?
[00:24:06]  So I, in my heart of hearts, would appreciate something like that more.
[00:24:10]  But I think with the with the video that he made about, you know, the, the one before that he made, talking about having balancing views on and stuff like that.
[00:24:22]  And this one, he's not trying to fucking win over like the fucking radical, let's go to war anti-woke people.
[00:24:33]  I think he's trying to win over like the reasonable center in his ginormous audience.
[00:24:41]  I don't know.
[00:24:42]  I don't know what the right move or wrong move is, but I also just think that he's being genuine.
[00:24:46]  Like he really feels this way.
[00:24:47]  And that's why he's saying it.
[00:24:49]  What I hate, what really disgusts me, and I think almost like just a little bit less than the people trying to ruin Rogan with the compilation are the people who are like really trashing him for apologizing.
[00:25:02]  Like it's like, dude, have some fucking, like, what do you want?
[00:25:05]  You want to become just as bad as the fucking enemy that you hate?
[00:25:09]  Like you really, so this guy will be a fucking hero, literally giving a platform bigger than anyone else to, like, if you're opposed to the COVID regime, how the fuck do you not go like Rogan has had on since COVID's been happening?
[00:25:25]  I mean, Dr. Malone, who is the other, the other doctor who was also one of the big guys opposed to the COVID regime thing.
[00:25:34]  I'm blanking on his name.
[00:25:35]  You might know who I'm talking about.
[00:25:37]  McCullough.
[00:25:38]  He had McCullough and the show.
[00:25:40]  He had Alex Berenson on the show.
[00:25:42]  More than once.
[00:25:43]  Yes.
[00:25:43]  Twice, I believe.
[00:25:44]  He's had me on twice since then.
[00:25:47]  Like he said, and a number of other people.
[00:25:49]  And the guy who runs Americans and the guy who runs American Frontline Doctors, whose name I can't remember right now.
[00:25:54]  That's right.
[00:25:55]  So, I mean, he's had people like, you know, and me, like, obviously not as accredited as doc.
[00:26:00]  I'm not a doctor or anything, but people who are like completely opposed to the COVID regime just let us go off.
[00:26:06]  Oh, yes.
[00:26:06]  Okay.
[00:26:07]  Peter Corey.
[00:26:07]  Yeah.
[00:26:08]  Yeah.
[00:26:08]  And just let all of them go off.
[00:26:10]  You go off and you give your perspective to this.
[00:26:13]  I will, I will lend you my platform, the biggest in media to go off on this.
[00:26:18]  And if you're opposed to the COVID regime and what that guy said, one thing you don't like, so that's enough for you to be like, oh, you're like, I don't know, dude.
[00:26:26]  This is like as insane and intolerant as everything you're fighting against.
[00:26:31]  So I would just say like that, that shit to me is crazy.

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[00:26:35]  And I think there's a lot of options at play here still.
[00:26:39]  And so even if Spotify ends up fucking, you know, caving and like bailing on Rogan, like there are so many options that he still has available to him.
[00:26:49]  And I don't even mean just like going back to YouTube or starting his own thing.
[00:26:53]  I mean, he could start his own thing with like people like this.
[00:26:56]  This is a guy who's like boys with Elon Musk.
[00:26:59]  He's like, you know what I mean?
[00:27:00]  Like maybe like him and Elon Musk and like another billionaire like get together and go do the biggest thing ever.
[00:27:06]  There's still like so much potential here.
[00:27:09]  And so I just think that it's, I think it's, it's worth it to like be appreciative of what his contributions have been, which are enormous.
[00:27:17]  And also be a little bit humble and like, maybe there's maybe I can't predict exactly how all of these pieces will go and how it will all work out.
[00:27:26]  Anyway, of course, you kind of can't remove yourself from the politics of all of this.
[00:27:33]  But actually, Brian, before we play the Gen Sacky video, let's go to the video that I sent you, which was Brian Stelter on CNN talking about this, because it was interesting.
[00:27:44]  Of course, the corporate press is going to jump right on this and fucking, you know what I mean?
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=== The Shocking Piggy Comment (14:36) ===

[00:29:33]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:29:35]  But anyway, let's let's watch these fucking, you know, uh, fucking just cartoon villains and how they handle this situation.
[00:29:48]  Joe Rogan is now apologizing after videos resurfaced of him using the N-word multiple times on his podcast, Patriotakes, which put the video together as an organization that aims to expose extremism on the far right.
[00:30:01]  The video is an edited compilation.
[00:30:02]  Who do they work for?
[00:30:04]  Just curious.
[00:30:05]  And he's not on the far right.
[00:30:07]  Yeah, right, exactly.
[00:30:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:30:09]  Well, everyone's the far right who's not.
[00:30:11]  And there's no extreme.
[00:30:13]  I mean, think about how many people watch Rogan.
[00:30:17]  And like, would anyone define it as extremism, far right extremism?
[00:30:22]  No, but this is the truth.
[00:30:23]  And this is why Malice was so correct.
[00:30:26]  Malice was the one originally, the reason why I say the corporate press all the time is I used to say the mainstream media.
[00:30:34]  And Malice was the one who convinced me that corporate press was a more accurate term.
[00:30:39]  And it's true because like, why the fuck, if I'm talking about this fucking, this clown, the former White House press secretary, not press secretary, the former White House correspondent for CNN, who literally couldn't, can't go to half the country without being booed out of the room.
[00:31:00]  Why would how the fuck would I call him mainstream as opposed to Rogan, right?
[00:31:06]  I mean, Rogan's audience is probably over 20 times bigger than his.
[00:31:13]  Who the fuck is like, no, you're not mainstream, motherfucker.
[00:31:15]  Corporate.
[00:31:16]  That is the better.
[00:31:17]  Like Malice just made this argument.
[00:31:19]  And I was like, well, I am convinced by superior arguments when I hear them.
[00:31:23]  And I went, that is superior.
[00:31:24]  That is superior to mainstream corporate.
[00:31:26]  That's correct.
[00:31:27]  All right.
[00:31:27]  Let's keep playing.
[00:31:29]  Cast episodes.
[00:31:31]  And we have to warn you, this is very disturbing to hear.
[00:31:36]  You know, saying the word you've already said is just like saying she's calling you like this boy that he's a and starts calling him.
[00:31:47]  There should be a word like especially like the word that's our he says guy and then our starts saying how to use the word without the word just so you pause it here.
[00:32:03]  Just understand like this is how dishonest the video is.
[00:32:06]  Like it's not, you're not even getting a sense of what he's saying.
[00:32:09]  Like in part of those, it's like he's going the word poop.
[00:32:13]  Like that's what you're getting.
[00:32:14]  It's like, what did he even say there?
[00:32:16]  It's just that he uttered the word.
[00:32:18]  But if he had said N-word instead, there is no video here.
[00:32:22]  There's nothing they could make about.
[00:32:24]  Like this is insane.
[00:32:25]  Anyway, let's keep playing.
[00:32:32]  Just unbelievable.
[00:32:34]  Let's bring in Cena's chief media correspondent, Brian Stelter.
[00:32:37]  This is, by the way, this is why you guys are losing.
[00:32:41]  This is why so many more people want to listen to him than you.
[00:32:44]  It's like you remember I talked about this the other episode when we talked about Rogan and I go, the difference is that they like people can smell that he's not lying to his audience and they are.
[00:32:53]  Like you are an actor, motherfucker.
[00:32:58]  You're an actor.
[00:32:59]  Let me tell you something.
[00:33:00]  I've done a lot of corporate press kicks.
[00:33:03]  In fact, I worked for Turner for a year.
[00:33:05]  You know what I mean?
[00:33:06]  Like I've hung out with some of these guys, Brian Stelter, briefly, but some of the other guys that I've hung out with a bunch of the ones at Fox News, had beers with people, like all this type of shit.
[00:33:15]  Like the idea that they're completely like, they're these people, they don't live in the same world as me and you, Rob.
[00:33:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:33:22]  They've never, they didn't, they've never heard of Howard Stern or like HBO or Deaf Comedy Jam or like any of these things.
[00:33:30]  They don't live in that world.
[00:33:31]  And when they hear someone utter the word, they go, it's just unbelievable.
[00:33:37]  That's not real.
[00:33:38]  That's not real.
[00:33:39]  This is acting.
[00:33:41]  This is just a political hit piece.
[00:33:43]  And people know that, like, people know this.
[00:33:45]  It's so full of shit.
[00:33:48]  Anyway, let's keep playing.
[00:33:50]  Bring in the little piggy media correspondent, Brian Stelter.
[00:33:53]  Brian, what is Joe Rogan now saying?
[00:33:57]  He is now apologizing, and we're going to find out if that's enough for Spotify, the company that has an exclusive distribution deal with him.
[00:34:04]  Jim, this is all coming to light because of the recent controversy about anti-vaccine rhetoric on Rogan's podcast.
[00:34:10]  Some artists decided to quit the service.
[00:34:13]  One of them, India Ari, pointed out this video, this compilation video.
[00:34:17]  Let's just pause it.
[00:34:19]  I will.
[00:34:20]  I appreciate it.
[00:34:21]  Thank you.
[00:34:22]  Thank you, little piggy.
[00:34:24]  This is why you're my favorite little piggy.
[00:34:26]  I salute you.
[00:34:27]  Okay.
[00:34:27]  I appreciate that honesty.
[00:34:30]  See, this is not like me having some fucking just conspiracy theory, even they're admitting it.
[00:34:35]  This is all because of his anti-vaccine.
[00:34:40]  You know, I don't listen to Brian ever since he supported inappropriate office romances.
[00:34:48]  So, you know, I used to listen to him, but since he's endorsed that behavior between a boss and a subordinate, you know, I can't take him seriously.
[00:34:56]  You know how I would describe it, Rob?
[00:34:59]  Shocking.
[00:35:02]  Shocking that Brian Stelter would support such a thing.
[00:35:09]  Sorry, took me a second there.
[00:35:11]  Really?
[00:35:11]  I'm just so that you could tell.
[00:35:13]  You could tell, like, I was seriously so disturbed there, the way I said it, right?
[00:35:16]  Okay.
[00:35:16]  I'm glad we have you back.
[00:35:18]  I was concerned that we might have to take a pause.
[00:35:21]  We might have, we still might have to.
[00:35:23]  Let's keep playing.
[00:35:25]  Rogan has used around race in the past is just as, or maybe even more problematic than his rhetoric about vaccines.
[00:35:32]  We know Rogan's show is known for its fresh and frankness.
[00:35:37]  I'm sorry.
[00:35:38]  I'm sorry.
[00:35:38]  I have to.
[00:35:38]  Isn't it so funny?
[00:35:39]  Even can they even keep up with their odors?
[00:35:42]  So, so it's just as or even more offensive than his talk about vaccines.
[00:35:50]  So, the talk about vaccines is just as bad, maybe.
[00:35:54]  Like, that's their thing.
[00:35:55]  It's like, this is so shocking that he would use this sacrosanct word that no one is allowed to utter.
[00:36:01]  It's right up there with questioning the efficiency of fucking trial vaccines.
[00:36:09]  Like, what?
[00:36:10]  Like, this is just all so insane.
[00:36:13]  It's like, does it like the only thing that, like, I don't know, whatever.
[00:36:17]  Yeah, this is right up there with having one of the people who contributed the most to the creation of mRNA vaccines telling you why he doesn't think you should give them to kids.
[00:36:30]  It's right up there with that level of evil.
[00:36:34]  Anyway, all right, let's keep playing.
[00:36:37]  That's why it's this fans like the show, but this compilation, this, this use of the N-word so many times in the past, may be too much, even for some of his defenders to bear.
[00:36:47]  But here is, in Rogan's own words, part of his apology today.
[00:36:52]  I'm making this video to talk about the most regretful and shameful thing that I've ever had to talk about publicly.
[00:37:00]  There's a video that's out that's a compilation of me saying the N-word.
[00:37:05]  It's a video that's made of clips taken out of context of me of 12 years of conversations on my podcast, and it's all smushed together and it looks horrible, even to me.
[00:37:17]  Now, I know that to most people, there is no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word, never mind, publicly on a podcast.
[00:37:28]  And I agree with that now.
[00:37:30]  I haven't said it in years, but for a long time, when I would bring that word up, like if it would come up in conversation and staying, instead of saying the N-word, I would just say the word.
[00:37:42]  I never used it to be racist because I'm not racist.
[00:37:46]  But whenever you're in a situation where you have to say, I'm not racist, you up.
[00:37:53]  And I clearly have up.
[00:37:59]  Yes.
[00:37:59]  Yeah, I mean, Brian clearly has.
[00:38:01]  Yeah, he clearly has.
[00:38:02]  And you and I both know that that compilation right there, which he has admitted to, is authentic.
[00:38:12]  That would be enough to put anybody out of a job.
[00:38:15]  I mean, to me, it seems untenable to have that kind of video surface, that kind of compilation surface, and keep one's job.
[00:38:24]  But Brian, there's another video that Patriot Takes put out, which I also want to play.
[00:38:29]  It's a story Joe Rogan is telling of when he went to see what he describes as.
[00:38:34]  So let's just stop there for a second.
[00:38:38]  And let me try to explain.
[00:38:39]  So, by the way, the other story that they have is just, it's just Rogan being funny.
[00:38:44]  I don't even know what to tell you.
[00:38:46]  Is it the plan of the apes thing?
[00:38:47]  Yeah.
[00:38:48]  And like, I mean, what's crazy about that is that it's so funny when he's trying to apologize for it.
[00:38:52]  I was like, how did I miss that one?
[00:38:53]  That's a pretty good joke.
[00:38:54]  It's great.
[00:38:55]  It's listen.
[00:38:56]  And here's the other thing about it.
[00:38:57]  Like, I had these, because I was tweeting, you know, a thing about.
[00:39:01]  That might not be helping him.
[00:39:02]  Rogan, it was wrong.
[00:39:03]  It's good that you apologized.
[00:39:05]  Yeah.
[00:39:06]  Well, listen, I'm just saying, like, I was basically tweeting just like, fucking, you know, I stand with Rogan shit and like, you know, whatever, that Rogan's a great dude, that he's a great comedian, and he's doing the most important work.
[00:39:20]  He's like, heroic.
[00:39:21]  He's, he's the battle right here.
[00:39:23]  Yes.
[00:39:23]  He's, he's a hero in the most important battle of our lifetimes.
[00:39:28]  I don't know what to say.
[00:39:29]  And on top of that, he's a great comic and a great dude and just like been great to me and a bunch of my friends.
[00:39:34]  And I was like, I don't know.
[00:39:35]  This is an easy fucking call for me on what side I'm on.
[00:39:38]  But so I was tweeting about this and like, I get some people like kind of giving me shit.
[00:39:43]  And, you know, I got like a few people who will be like, by the way, just throwing ironically, I suppose, but throwing like the most racist shit at me.
[00:39:52]  Like, it'll be like some black chick, you know, just being like, some black dude.
[00:39:56]  I mean, only a few of them, but if you, you know, they'll be like, oh, yeah, well, white boys like you might can't understand, you know, how to say this.
[00:40:04]  Oh, look at that.
[00:40:04]  Surprise.
[00:40:05]  The white man has no problem with fucking someone saying this word, blah, blah, blah.
[00:40:10]  And then like a couple of them, I like click on their bio and it's like, you know, it's like some black dude.
[00:40:16]  And he's like, it's like, he, him, you know, blah, blah, blah.
[00:40:20]  Like, you know, study environmental studies at the University of so-and-so.
[00:40:25]  And there is just something about it where you're like, dude, like you're kind of taking on the whole banner of I represent the black community.
[00:40:35]  Like, I don't know.
[00:40:36]  I mean, I grew up in Brooklyn in the 80s and 90s.
[00:40:39]  And I'm just saying, like, you, you certainly weren't a representative of like the hood in those days.
[00:40:44]  And this was not like, this is not a group of people who would be like so offended.
[00:40:49]  They would laugh at the Planet of the Apes joke.
[00:40:51]  You could go into a club, a comedy club there and tell that story and fucking kill with it.
[00:40:56]  So I'm just like, I'm not really buying a lot of that.
[00:40:59]  It's like you're like, if you're representing anything here, it's like this woke establishment, upper middle class like sensibilities.
[00:41:09]  You're not like representing the underclass or the downtrodden is all I'm saying.
[00:41:15]  But, you know, there's something here, even before like getting into that, like there's something pretty incredible about the like kind of authoritarian mindset that these guys at CNN are demonstrating.
[00:41:29]  And when they're like, well, that's enough that you have to lose your job over that.
[00:41:33]  And it's like, well, yeah, no, you have to lose your job over that.
[00:41:38]  Like you do.
[00:41:39]  But here's the thing.
[00:41:41]  You know what?
[00:41:41]  Actually, let's just play, let's skip, skip past this fucking story part and let's just get to what they say at the end because it was everything they said.
[00:41:48]  Even that's like a little bit misleading.
[00:41:50]  Those guys have a job because someone like gives them a job.
[00:41:54]  Rogan has a job because he has an audience.
[00:41:56]  Like if Spotify throws him off, it's not like, you know what I mean?
[00:42:00]  He's not over.
[00:42:00]  He just gets to continue doing what he's doing.
[00:42:03]  And Rogan is simply, look, he's simply a cash cow for Spotify.
[00:42:09]  It's not like they fucking hired him for some job and gave him a salary and gave him the product and gave him all this.
[00:42:15]  He brought the product to them.
[00:42:18]  And then also will allow them to post it for a fee.
[00:42:23]  Let's get real.
[00:42:24]  There's no context on CNN where you could use that word and it would make sense.
[00:42:30]  But like even a college professor who is white could be in a classroom right now and maybe be giving a lecture about when it was okay to use like, you know, and there is.
[00:42:41]  And so on Rogan's podcast where you have those style conversations, there is a context where it could make sense.
[00:42:47]  Yes.
[00:42:47]  And by the way, all of those clips were that.
[00:42:50]  None of them were him being racist or being shitty.
[00:42:52]  Like none of them were him calling black people the N-word.
[00:42:55]  That's not, you know, it's not just like fucking, like, it's not like fucking when he has Chappelle and Donnell Rawlings and he's just fucking dropping N-bombs to their face.
[00:43:05]  Like, well, it looks like I got a couple of N-words here.
[00:43:07]  You know what I mean?
[00:43:08]  It's not like that was the context.
[00:43:10]  The context was him saying like the word.
[00:43:12]  And anyway, all right, let's go back to the video and keep playing.
[00:43:16]  We can skip forward a little bit here.
[00:43:22]  And a lot of this is about money.
[00:43:26]  Yeah.
[00:43:27]  Go ahead.
[00:43:28]  I'm sorry.
[00:43:29]  Trying to diffuse this, Jim.
[00:43:31]  And whether it's going to work is anybody's guess.
[00:43:33]  We've been reaching out to Spotify, asking for comment.
[00:43:35]  Spotify promotes itself as just a platform, you know, where anybody can put up their podcast.
[00:43:40]  But with Rogan, they're paying Rogan tens and tens of millions of dollars, apparently $100 million for exclusive rights to his content, including these old episodes full of him using the N-word.
[00:43:51]  Now, listeners have noticed that several dozen episodes have been taken down.
[00:43:55]  Apparently, those are the episodes that we've heard the clips from today.
[00:43:59]  So Spotify might be on a cleanup mission trying to erase some of Rogan's past, but will the company continue to stand by him?
[00:44:06]  That's an open question.
[00:44:07]  We've not heard back from Spotify.
[00:44:09]  Right.

=== Spotify Platform Responsibility (12:23) ===

[00:44:10]  I mean, you know, Joe Rogan can continue.
[00:44:13]  Where do you think Brian gets that bubble licious lipstick?
[00:44:17]  I feel like it might look good with my cameras.
[00:44:20]  Yeah.
[00:44:20]  I don't know.
[00:44:21]  I haven't met him.
[00:44:21]  Does he ever talk about these things?
[00:44:23]  It didn't come up.
[00:44:24]  And I don't think I'm going to meet him again anytime soon.
[00:44:27]  And I'll be honest, that was since then.
[00:44:32]  I have called him my favorite little piggy like several hundred times on the show.
[00:44:37]  And so I think things might be weird between us now.
[00:44:41]  But if I do meet him and he hasn't heard about that, I will ask.
[00:44:46]  That's for you.
[00:44:47]  Brian, if for some reason you're listening to this, I'm willing to forgive you for endorsing inappropriate workplace relationships.
[00:44:53]  If you'll share with me where you get your bubble licious lipstick for men that works well for news anchors.
[00:45:00]  Well, let me just go on the record.
[00:45:02]  I am not willing to forgive you because it's just, it's unbelievable.
[00:45:09]  Okay.
[00:45:10]  Anyway, let's keep playing.
[00:45:11]  I mean, you know, Joe Rogan can continue to host his podcast.
[00:45:16]  If people want to listen to it, they can, but it doesn't have to be on Spotify.
[00:45:20]  You know, some of these companies that, you know, put these types of programs on their platforms, they don't have to put them there, right?
[00:45:29]  Brian?
[00:45:29]  I mean, are they contractually obligated to do that?
[00:45:34]  Companies like Spotify, Facebook, Twitter, they present themselves just as platforms, neutral platforms.
[00:45:39]  But actually, Spotify, in this case, is a media company getting in business to distribute Rogan.
[00:45:45]  They don't have to be in that business.
[00:45:46]  They've chosen it because they want to grow their podcast business.
[00:45:49]  That's a choice they might support and stick with.
[00:45:51]  In fact, the other day, the head of the company said, if we're going to be in business, we're going to host content.
[00:45:57]  Well, not every company is backed by the deep state and can just make money with zero ratings or audience.
[00:46:03]  So some of your competitors sadly have to actually put on honest programming that people like.
[00:46:08]  They don't have what you have.
[00:46:10]  Well, here's the thing, right?
[00:46:11]  Here's what's so frustrating about this.
[00:46:13]  And I'm done with this video, Brian.
[00:46:14]  We're going to move on to the next one in a second.
[00:46:16]  But so this is the thing about it.
[00:46:18]  And I think it's like, it's almost like a little bit under the surface, but there's something so outrageously authoritarian about this and what they're saying.
[00:46:27]  And they go, look, Spotify, they're a company.
[00:46:32]  I mean, they can choose who they want to be in business with.
[00:46:34]  They don't have to host Joe Rogan.
[00:46:36]  It's like, yeah.
[00:46:38]  I mean, that wasn't really something that needed clarification, you know?
[00:46:43]  Like, there was never an assumption on anyone's head that there was a gun put to the Spotify CEO's head and said, you must host Joe Rogan on your show, right?
[00:46:53]  It's like, obviously, it's a choice.
[00:46:56]  Why are they making that choice?
[00:46:58]  And here's what's kind of interesting about all of this, right?
[00:47:01]  As CNN goes, oh my God, appalling.
[00:47:05]  And I'm outraged.
[00:47:06]  And look at this.
[00:47:07]  And all of this content is here.
[00:47:09]  And look at what Spotify is going to do.
[00:47:11]  Like, to try to put this in perspective, like, so, so, Rogan, I know like Ballpark, the numbers.
[00:47:19]  So I've talked to him about this before, but you know, and it's, it's widely known now that he's around 11 million an episode.
[00:47:26]  That's like his average sum way higher than 11 million.
[00:47:30]  CNN, on the other hand, does not have one show that's cracking a million, just for the record.
[00:47:35]  He's over 11 times bigger than their biggest show.
[00:47:39]  A show like this one, he's probably 20 to 25 times bigger than.
[00:47:44]  But when he was at the end of his YouTube run, he was around like eight, nine million an episode, I believe.
[00:47:51]  And I remember I did one of the last YouTube shows for Rogan, not the last time I was on, but the time before that.
[00:48:00]  It was like right before the Spotify exclusive deal started like in a week or something like that.
[00:48:05]  And I remember thinking to myself, like, ah, this is cool because I get to be on one of the last ones that's not exclusive to Spotify.
[00:48:13]  And, you know, like the numbers will probably be a little bit smaller after that.
[00:48:16]  Like, I thought he'd still have a big show, but, you know, it's not going to be as big if it's exclusive on one platform.
[00:48:22]  And it's actually bigger.
[00:48:23]  He made it bigger than it was there.
[00:48:25]  But when I first went on Rogan's show, I think it wasn't quite as big as it had gotten then.
[00:48:30]  So it might, like, I don't know, but it might have been like five, six million.
[00:48:34]  It's still huge, you know, but it wasn't quite as big as it had gotten at that point.
[00:48:38]  But it was humongous, millions of times.
[00:48:43]  Is that true, Brian?
[00:48:44]  157 times bigger than this show.
[00:48:47]  Not our show.
[00:48:48]  That shitty CNN shows.
[00:48:49]  That's just a verified show.
[00:48:50]  Yes.
[00:48:51]  It's a lot bigger than our show, too.
[00:48:54]  But so, but, but my point is just even back then, even like the first time I was on, I think was in 2016, it was millions and millions of people listening to the show.
[00:49:03]  It was just like, it's humongous.
[00:49:05]  It was the biggest thing I've ever done, you know, is Rogan show by far.
[00:49:10]  And so all of these moments that they're playing, it's not as if they unearthed some fucking secret recording of Rogan in his living room.
[00:49:22]  This was on the podcast.
[00:49:24]  People heard this.
[00:49:28]  People listened to this.
[00:49:30]  Listening to this, he grew his show to be bigger than anything CNN has ever done.
[00:49:37]  There are that many racists out there.
[00:49:39]  Well, right.
[00:49:39]  I mean, I guess that's one way to spit it.
[00:49:42]  But you get my point here that it's like, it's like not only, so he was speaking freely like this and going, yeah, I'm not playing your dumb games.
[00:49:49]  We're going to have real conversations that are just like the conversations you would have with any.
[00:49:55]  And that's one of the things that's brilliant about the Joe Rogan experience.
[00:49:58]  And this is the way it always has been.
[00:50:00]  You sit there, and he's such a great conversationalist, and he's so authentic and so honest that you sit there in this room with Joe Rogan.
[00:50:09]  And, you know, you go in there like, oh, I'm going to do the Joe Rogan podcast.
[00:50:13]  But then after a few minutes, you're just talking to Joe Rogan in this little room.
[00:50:18]  You're just sitting at a table having a conversation with the guy.
[00:50:21]  And that's kind of what's so amazing about it is that the conversations are almost identical to what they would be if the microphones and the cameras were off.
[00:50:32]  That's kind of the genius of the Joe Rogan experience.
[00:50:36]  Okay.
[00:50:37]  And so these clips that they're playing here now, everyone saw this.
[00:50:42]  Millions of people saw all of these clips in the full context.
[00:50:46]  And after seeing that, he built up a bigger audience than all of the CNN shows combined.
[00:50:54]  Okay.
[00:50:55]  So when you bring this up, like, oh, controversy, maybe Spotify should stop having you, just think about the authoritarian mentality that you have there.
[00:51:05]  That you're like, well, we just decided that this thing that all of you saw already, even though you've seen what we have to offer and way more people want to watch that, we want to stop that from happening or at least question like, really, I mean, you guys don't have to have this, you know?
[00:51:20]  You get my point?
[00:51:22]  Well, it's because they're more honorable.
[00:51:24]  They don't rely on cheap tricks like using the N-word, just war profits.
[00:51:29]  Yeah.
[00:51:29]  So they're the more honorable network.
[00:51:32]  They don't have to do these things.
[00:51:33]  They can just push wars and vaccines.
[00:51:36]  That's right.
[00:51:37]  And Russia collusion stories.
[00:51:39]  Well, the idea that, right, they would say like, this is enough to get you fired from your job.
[00:51:43]  Like, you motherfuckers, you know, like, I would also think accusing the sitting president of the United States of America of being a traitor to his country when you're making it up would be enough to get you fired from the job of journalism or any of the other things that you fucking just mentioned.
[00:52:00]  You know, I think that would be enough to get you fired, but evidently it's not.
[00:52:04]  You know, that you guys can tell lies where fucking, you know, it leads to hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered.
[00:52:11]  That doesn't get you fired from your job.
[00:52:13]  So maybe, you know, uttering a word and then taking that out of context and making a compilation, maybe that shouldn't get you fired if that doesn't get you fired.
[00:52:23]  Let me just make one more point before we go into the next video, which is on the same kind of topic.
[00:52:30]  But this is like, like, just so you guys understand how much this is so obviously a political hit job.
[00:52:40]  And even Brian Stelter himself admitted this is because of the controversy with his stance on vaccines.
[00:52:47]  Just think about it like this, right?
[00:52:49]  And by the way, I'm not advocating this happen to anybody else.
[00:52:53]  I'd like everybody to just, I wish we had, you know, there's like, there's like, I'm a libertarian, you know, like I believe in freedom.
[00:53:02]  And like libertarianism is a, like a legal philosophy.
[00:53:10]  It's like, you know, like the idea of libertarianism is what the law should be, you know?
[00:53:16]  And perhaps you could extend it even further than that.
[00:53:18]  It's, it's a philosophy about the proper use of force.
[00:53:24]  So it's also a philosophy that says like, you know, murderers and thieves and rapists and criminals are also, you know, immoral and shit like that.
[00:53:34]  But there's also just kind of like this spirit of libertarianism or like a cultural component to it that I'd also like to see.
[00:53:43]  So I'd like to see a world where if somebody says something you don't like, you don't try to get them fired from their company.
[00:53:53]  You'd rather like have a debate with them, you know?
[00:53:56]  Like I'd rather see a world where like if someone really believed in a vaccines, you know, vaccine, you know, efficiency, efficiency?
[00:54:06]  What's the word I'm looking for?
[00:54:08]  You know what I mean?
[00:54:10]  If someone really believed that a vaccine was effective and someone really believed it wasn't, that one of them wouldn't go, well, you should not be allowed to efficacy.
[00:54:20]  Yes, that you should not be allowed to speak because you don't believe the same thing I believe.
[00:54:25]  I'd rather live in a world where they're like, well, I'd like to take you on and have an argument with you about this.
[00:54:30]  You know, okay, it's all that.
[00:54:32]  I'm not like advocating this happen to anyone.
[00:54:34]  But let's just think of another big radio show host.
[00:54:40]  You know, podcast is on the internet, radio show is on like whatever.
[00:54:44]  But there's this guy, Howard Stern.
[00:54:47]  Okay.
[00:54:48]  And he has been completely on board with the COVID regime.
[00:54:53]  And somehow you don't see CNN going over all the end bombs that he's dropped over the years, which are way worse than the Rogan ones.
[00:55:02]  Let me tell you.
[00:55:03]  You want to make a compilation, an out-of-context compilation of Howard Stern's worst shit he's fucking said.
[00:55:10]  You could, you know, they could easily be just as appalled.
[00:55:14]  But Howard Stern is telling everyone to get their vaccine and stay in their house and wear their masks and stay socially distant.
[00:55:20]  So he doesn't seem to get it.
[00:55:21]  You know, Jimmy Kimmel wore blackface, you know, doing like a real racist fucking Carl Malone thing.
[00:55:29]  But he's completely on the side of the regime.
[00:55:32]  So he doesn't seem to get it.
[00:55:34]  So just look around and notice it's like, it's not a coincidence that like, look, all Americans should be free, but comedians tend to have a like are given by the public, at least historically, a special license to go into these fucked up areas and do whatever they want with it to try to fucking create something like funny and fuck it, you know what I mean?
[00:56:00]  That's going to like get you to go like, holy shit, and like all of this, right?
[00:56:04]  So I'm not even against any of that, but look at who they're, they're not going after, it's not that they're so offended by the racism, right?
[00:56:13]  Because they're not going after any of the other people who support the regime.
[00:56:17]  They're going after the one guy who's huge, who's challenging the regime.
[00:56:22]  That's what's happening.
[00:56:23]  And for libertarians, even the ones who are the more like, just go like, well, you know, the cultural stuff, forget that, just a strict, thin libertarian.

=== Targeting the Regime Challenger (12:04) ===

[00:56:34]  There is, this is not just a market phenomenon.
[00:56:38]  This is not just like, oh, some people out there are upset about some compilation about Joe Rogan.
[00:56:44]  That's just not true.
[00:56:45]  There's not like evidence that like the people are upset.
[00:56:48]  The only thing there's real market evidence over is that the people love Joe Rogan, that he's the biggest fucking thing in this world, and that more people want to watch his show than watch any of these other fucking shows.
[00:57:00]  Like every single night, you take Fox News' show, CNN's show, MSNBC's show, you combine them, you multiply them by a factor of three at least to get Rogan's audience.
[00:57:17]  Three, it's probably like eight or nine, you know, like that's the level that we're talking about here, okay?
[00:57:23]  So it's not as if it's the people.
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[00:58:43]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:58:44]  But let's just go over to the president of the United States press secretary, what she just said last week about Joe Rogan.
[00:58:53]  Let's check that out.
[00:58:55]  Last week, the Surgeon General also was asked on MSNBC about Joe Rogan's vaccine comments on Spotify.
[00:59:03]  And he said that tech companies have an important role to play in stopping misinformation because they are the predominant places where misinformation spreads.
[00:59:11]  Spotify is putting out advisory warnings on episodes that have to do with COVID-19.
[00:59:17]  Does the White House and the administration think this is a satisfactory step?
[00:59:20]  Or do you think that companies like Spotify should go further than just putting a label on there to say, hey, go do your own, check this out?
[00:59:28]  There's more research you can look at scientific research regarding COVID.
[00:59:32]  Sure.
[00:59:32]  Well, last July, you probably know, but the Surgeon General also took the unprecedented step to issue an advisor on the risk of misinformation and public health, which is a very significant step.
[00:59:43]  And amid that, he talked about the role social media platforms have.
[00:59:46]  So our hope is that all major tech platforms and all major news sources, for that matter, be responsible and be vigilant to ensure the American people have access to accurate information on something as significant as COVID-19.
[00:59:58]  That certainly includes Spotify.
[01:00:00]  So this disclaimer, it's a positive step, but we want every platform to continue doing more to call out mis and disinformation while also uplifting accurate information.
[01:00:11]  I mean, look at the facts, right?
[01:00:12]  You are 16 times more likely to be hospitalized if you're unvaccinated and 68 times more likely to die than someone who is boosted if you're unvaccinated.
[01:00:21]  That's pretty significant.
[01:00:22]  And we think that is something that unquestionably should be the basis of how people are communicating about it.
[01:00:28]  But ultimately, you know, our view is it's a good step.
[01:00:32]  It's a positive step, but there's more that can be done.
[01:00:35]  Do you have a sign?
[01:00:36]  Oh, okay, there.
[01:00:37]  All right.
[01:00:37]  So, you know, there's more that can be done.
[01:00:41]  And here is the science that these private companies should be facing now.
[01:00:46]  I will tell you, I mean, that is like, to me, a violation of the First Amendment.
[01:00:55]  Like, and here's something that libertarians, if you recognize what libertarians ought to recognize, the reality of the situation, which is that the government is a group of like, you know, not only a group of criminals, but a much more powerful than a normal group of criminals, a group of criminals who have a monopoly on the legal initiation of violence, them saying things is very different.
[01:01:22]  Like in the same way that it's like, if I just say like, if I just go to Rob, you know, I go like, will you give me your wallet?
[01:01:28]  That's very different than me pointing a gun at your head and saying, give me your wallet.
[01:01:32]  You know, like one is an act of aggression and one is not.
[01:01:35]  For them to just be saying like, yeah, well, there's a lot more that they could do.
[01:01:40]  And yeah, I completely support the Surgeon General saying this.
[01:01:43]  And in fact, that's the position of the White House is like, yeah, Spotify should do more.
[01:01:48]  This ain't just like some organic fucking market phenomenon, like, oh, it's a private company.
[01:01:54]  It's like, well, no, it's a private company that's being threatened by the largest criminal gang in the history of the world.
[01:02:00]  So, I mean, just see this for what it is.
[01:02:04]  And it's like, oh, yeah, well, here we're going to talk about the science.
[01:02:07]  And I'm going to give you some numbers, you know, that you rattled off.
[01:02:10]  Okay, here's what it's like, okay.
[01:02:12]  So can we talk?
[01:02:13]  Well, how about maybe I don't want to talk about those numbers because I don't trust them.
[01:02:16]  Maybe I want to talk about the numbers in Israel.
[01:02:20]  Like the country that vaccinated its population the quickest and has, I think, per capita, is amongst the, if not the highest, most vaccinated country in the world, who just broke their single record for daily cases and daily deaths in the last few weeks.
[01:02:36]  How about that?
[01:02:36]  Those numbers.
[01:02:37]  Oh, and do I only have to talk about the numbers that the White House has told me are the official numbers?
[01:02:42]  Because those numbers are real.
[01:02:44]  By the way, I'm also getting this from a government, from a criminal government, the Israelis, but you know, I don't know.
[01:02:49]  How about those numbers?
[01:02:50]  Can I use those?
[01:02:51]  Are allies criminals?
[01:02:53]  Are criminals allies?
[01:02:56]  Can I use their criminal numbers?
[01:02:58]  Like it's so there's just something so creepy about this.
[01:03:01]  So I'm sorry.
[01:03:02]  Like the fucking only like, like this is what bugs me so much.
[01:03:06]  It's like, but the only libertarian position here is that like, okay, the market is telling you that people love fucking Joe Rogan and the government is telling you that this company ought shut him down, essentially.
[01:03:19]  I mean, without saying that, but what are they really fucking saying here, right?
[01:03:23]  There's more that they can do.
[01:03:25]  A warning isn't enough, blah, blah, blah.
[01:03:27]  It's like, I'm sorry.
[01:03:29]  If you believe in freedom, you support fucking Joe Rogan.
[01:03:32]  And if you're a fucking authoritarian, then maybe you want to fucking side with these CNN guys or the White House or something like that.
[01:03:39]  But fuck that shit.
[01:03:41]  Team Rogan.
[01:03:43]  I stand with Joe Rogan.
[01:03:44]  She just created a recipe for like getting rid of free speech permanently.
[01:03:51]  So it's a two-step process.
[01:03:53]  So you have an expert who says this is the safe opinion.
[01:03:57]  So in this case, it's a doctor who's actually said that misinformation is harmful to your health because you might get bad information and then act on it.
[01:04:06]  A government doctor, mind you.
[01:04:08]  Right.
[01:04:08]  And then you turn to Spotify and go, well, you're now contradicting the doctor who has said that this information is dangerous.
[01:04:15]  But then what happens when you have a security expert who wants to make some sort of a recommendation that if we don't go to war, it's dangerous for all of us.
[01:04:24]  Well, now anyone who's criticizing a war, well, that's dangerous.
[01:04:28]  That war is going to save lives.
[01:04:29]  That is an endless circular feedback loop where basically the government gets to have an expert.
[01:04:34]  The expert has an opinion.
[01:04:36]  And now everyone has to follow that expert's opinion because if not, it's dangerous.
[01:04:40]  That is a formula for not having free speech.
[01:04:43]  Yeah.
[01:04:43]  That's exactly like here's what Sach, like, even though this would be bullshit, what she should say is, well, we live in a country with free speech.
[01:04:51]  So Joe Rogan can say whatever he wants to say.
[01:04:53]  And we're going to continue to do what we can to save lives.
[01:04:57]  And since we know that this vaccine works, it's on us to continue to provide the public with the information that they need.
[01:05:03]  And we're going to continue to do what we can to make sure that people stay informed.
[01:05:07]  That is not good information on his show, but he has the freedom to do it.
[01:05:12]  Yes.
[01:05:12]  The fact that she says, well, we have to do more and they have to step it up.
[01:05:16]  It kind of sounds like the mob got, hey, you're on warning or don't think behind closed doors.
[01:05:20]  We're not giving them a call.
[01:05:22]  Like they know that that's inappropriate.
[01:05:23]  And we're going to talk to them.
[01:05:25]  And to be clear, they have said before that they give lists to social media companies of who they'd like to see banned.
[01:05:31]  So that's right.
[01:05:32]  And to the point that you're making, it's like, yeah, look, if you want to like play this like counterfactual, like, what if the government weren't such a bunch of fucking blood-soaked criminal liars, you know, like, yeah, well, like the move there would be to even maybe like goat Rogan into like, it'll be like, well, listen, like, you know, this Joe Rogan guy, I mean, of course, he's a free person and he has free speech and a right to say what he wants to.
[01:05:59]  But if he claims that he has this open platform where he just wants to have conversations, well, I'd love to see him sit down with Dr. Fauci or I'd love to see him sit down with some other, you know, whoever it is, like their representative, who will just basically explain to him how obviously what we're saying is the truth here.
[01:06:16]  And, you know, it's like, no, doesn't that literally prove it all?
[01:06:21]  Because if Fauci went on there and had to actually have a conversation with get annihilated.
[01:06:26]  And this is the truth.
[01:06:27]  People who said they're, Joe Rogan's not a doctor.
[01:06:29]  Oh, you get your information from a dumb comedian or something like that.
[01:06:32]  And it's like, Rogan would wreck Fauci's shit.
[01:06:36]  And if Rogan actually did a thing like with Fauci and say, dude, I'd wreck Fauci's.
[01:06:42]  Wreck his fucking shit.
[01:06:44]  You'd wreck his shit.
[01:06:45]  If he and Dr. Malone and Fauci, like, oh my God, like, if he did something like that.
[01:06:50]  But if they really believed they had the truth on their side, couldn't they even like, you know, like, and by the way, it's not just like a thing like, I'm not saying like, oh, if I say this, Fauci should come on part of the problem.
[01:07:03]  I'm talking about like, fucking Fauci goes on all these other shows that have a fraction of the audience that Rogan has.
[01:07:10]  Like this would, if misinformation is so important and getting the correct information of people is so important, then why wouldn't it be worth your time to go on the biggest platform to speak to the most people?
[01:07:20]  And I'll tell you, I mean, I don't know this for a fact, but I know for a fact Rogan would do that.
[01:07:26]  He would do that in a second.
[01:07:28]  He would fucking absolutely just have Fauci on and go, okay, let's fucking do it.
[01:07:33]  But he, Rogan knows his shit enough.
[01:07:35]  And believe me, like I've talked to Rogan, you know, privately, like off air about like a lot of this COVID shit as well as on air.
[01:07:44]  Rogan knows his shit about this.
[01:07:46]  Like he knows what's up with the COVID regime.
[01:07:49]  He would wreck Fauci.
[01:07:51]  Fauci would never do it in a million years.
[01:07:54]  Never.
[01:07:55]  The same reason Biden would never do it in a million years.
[01:07:58]  It would Biden can't stay up for three hours.
[01:08:00]  Yeah.
[01:08:01]  Well, obviously it wouldn't be a three hour one.
[01:08:02]  If it was Biden, it'd be 15 minutes, maybe like 15 minutes on, half hour nap, 15 minutes back on, whatever.
[01:08:09]  You know what I was saying, man?
[01:08:10]  You got it.
[01:08:11]  Come on.
[01:08:12]  It made sense.
[01:08:14]  I don't want to talk about vaccines.
[01:08:15]  I want to talk about corn pop.
[01:08:17]  Corn pop was a bad dude.
[01:08:18]  You ever had your legs touching a pool?
[01:08:22]  That one.
[01:08:23]  There's little hairs on your legs.
[01:08:24]  Go over there.
[01:08:25]  God, he's weird.
[01:08:26]  Okay.
[01:08:26]  All right.
[01:08:27]  I guess that's our episode for today.
[01:08:30]  As I've been kind of hinting on the last few shows, keep your eyes peeled.
[01:08:35]  A lot of cool stuff coming up.
[01:08:37]  All right.
[01:08:38]  Catch you guys next time.