Dave Smith and Robbie Bernsten critique government overreach, citing a Johns Hopkins study claiming lockdowns caused a net loss of 246,000 lives while Israel's high vaccination rates failed to curb surges. They argue natural immunity offers superior protection compared to vaccines, which they claim lack durability. The hosts also analyze CNN President Jeff Zucker's resignation, debating whether it stemmed from the Russia collusion narrative or internal misconduct, and condemn Whoopi Goldberg's suspension for her Holocaust remarks as hypocritical media censorship that ignores historical nuance regarding race and anti-Semitism. Ultimately, the episode frames these events as evidence of a corrupt system prioritizing political correctness over scientific truth and individual liberty. [Automatically generated summary]
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Unintended Consequences of Big Government00:14:25
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Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith.
He is COVID.
Jesus, the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
What's up, my brother?
How's life going?
I'm doing good.
How about you, Mr. Smith?
Doing very good.
Very good.
A lot of big things in the works.
I'm excited.
You got that post-COVID glow.
I do.
I try, you know, if the COVID doesn't kill you or damage your lungs, which it probably won't.
It makes you stronger.
Well, probably is a strong word.
It's only like 99.9%.
Anyway, let me tell you something.
Listen, I will say I'm sorry.
I know this week's schedule has been a little fucked up.
We're going to bang out some episodes in the next few days, but let me tell you this.
I got a lot of content that I'll be giving you guys this month.
Several really fun shows that I'm going to be doing.
So keep your eyes out for that over the next few weeks.
But yeah, a lot going on.
A lot of fun stuff to talk about.
But what's up with you, Rob?
I see you've been posting some fucking videos up there that a lot of people are loving.
Hell yeah, man.
Every morning, going live, doing the daily rundown, just trying to hit some quick jokes, getting to people in the morning.
I'm having fun.
Enjoying the studio.
That's great.
I've seen a lot of people saying it's really great.
So maybe at some point I'll watch one.
But I'm just saying, for now, I keep my ear to the ground and people are saying it's great.
And I go, great?
Rob?
That's good enough.
All right, fine.
And then I know you're doing a thing with Geneva.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, homewrecking party.
I should be your manager.
Summer porch store, Gene Epstein style.
We are, you know, I'm a man of the people.
I couldn't do the big show, but I'm performing in his living room.
So I'm doing stand-up before they do the simulcast.
So come out.
We're going to steal some shit.
We're going to jump on the couches.
We are going to throw a party in Gene's home.
Let's do it.
Isn't that something that me and you can't do the fucking opening for the Soho Forum anymore?
Like, it's just fucking...
Listen, I understand.
I get it.
He wants to keep it going, and he does such a great job.
And Gene is such a great guy.
The Soho Forum, please go support the Soho Forum.
Don't support anything else with the Vax Passport, but support the Soho Forum because it's just the fucking greatest.
But I just can't bring myself to show a fake fucking vaccine thing.
I don't know.
I'm with you, man.
You told me you don't want Jews in your business.
I'm not pretending not to be Jewish.
It's all right.
I just won't go.
That I might do, but I won't do the vax thing.
Yeah, because at least you know you don't have to deal with any other Jews there.
Makes sense.
I take that by example.
Yeah, but then I'll still turn into the Jew.
You know what I mean?
Like, it'll still be like, oh, thank God, no Jews.
So you guys got any smoked fish?
Or what are we doing here?
What are we even eating at this party?
Nothing?
Anyway.
So anyway, you know, whatever.
It is what it is.
I love Gene, and I love the Soho Forum.
And so, yeah, go support them.
If you're in the New York City area, go check it out.
Okay.
So there's a few things.
Sorry.
Few things on my mind today.
I dropped my phone and I was going to just leave it and then I realized I actually fucking need it because there's some things that I want to pull up.
Several big things have happened in the last couple days that I wanted to discuss.
I think what I'll make the lead story for today.
There you go.
The lead is this major John Hopkins study that came out.
I don't know if you're familiar with John Hopkins, but it's a group of smarty pounces.
They're like one of the elite universities.
Doesn't mean they get everything right, but it is interesting to have their name behind this study.
They did a huge study on lockdowns and the effects of lockdowns, looking at the effects of the lockdowns in America and throughout Europe.
And they determined that lockdowns had virtually no effect on COVID deaths.
Now, I understand that to people who listen to this show, this may not be breaking news.
This is not something that you're like, holy shit, this changes everything that I believe.
This is what we've been talking about for quite a while.
But it's pretty damn interesting from my perspective, at least.
You know, I know that we're in the beginning of 2022 and we're almost two full years later from when this whole thing started.
But isn't it pretty incredible to see the kind of the whole follow the science mantra, you know, that we had to live through.
And now it's like, well, the kind of like top scientists are saying that turns out what anyone who was dispassionately looking at this stuff could have figured out was obvious.
The lockdowns weren't doing anything.
And of course, while they weren't doing anything to stop COVID deaths, they were causing many deaths on their own, you know, as a result of the lockdowns.
So of course, not, you know, there was one here.
Let me check this out right here because I had one of the numbers out there.
They estimated that the lockdowns, if anything, saved less than 4,000 lives and cost around 250,000 lives from side effects of lockdowns, not including the economic costs.
So on the life, what is that, 196,000 lives lost?
That would be 246,000 lives lost.
Got that math wrong.
It's okay.
Yeah, listen, shit happens.
And a net loss.
Now, I don't think the important thing about studies like this is the exact number of how many lives were lost or not lost.
I think there's a little bit of hubris with these scientists sometimes that they know exactly what would have happened or wouldn't have happened.
But the overwhelming point is that in order for lockdowns to be justified, they would have to, I mean, save a ton of lives.
And there's no evidence at all that they did that.
And in fact, all of the evidence points to what anybody who was looking at this objectively could have told you.
That, you know, I mean, all you had to do was, number one, you could just think it through, you know, like if you think it through, which is why, you know, again, why a lot of shows like ours were able to, you know, to develop a pretty good track record on this stuff.
But if you just think it through and don't take the establishment talking points as gospel, you go like, wait a minute.
So you're like, you're shutting down beaches and playgrounds and, you know, outdoor restaurants and you're making everyone stay home.
It doesn't seem like it would stop the spread of an upper respiratory virus.
Like it doesn't.
It didn't take a genius to think that through.
And then, of course, if you were just looking at the data right away, you would see like the places that weren't locking down weren't doing worse and and that right away should have been reason to stop all of this.
But I do think that there's several things that are really interesting about this.
Number one now, it's like now, following the science means you all should fucking be in jail, you criminals, you know, and certainly anyone who got this wrong it's.
It's kind of like the, the you know, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
It's like you can debate over whether there we really just messed up and got it wrong, but regardless, there's a very strong argument to be made that um, I say uh, the the strongest of arguments to be made that those people should never be allowed near public policy ever again.
Now again, not to say that that's going to happen, much like with the war in Iraq, but at least it's a lot of ammo in our you know for, for our side and um, you know, on top of that, one of the things that I think is really powerful about it is that all of these you know kind of like uh, you know, when people will dismiss guys like me and you, and understandably so, you know they'll be like, well, what?
You guys are a couple of jerk off comedians.
What do you know?
You're telling me you know better than you know the scientists and doctors, and it's like well no, that's not what i'm telling you.
I'm telling you that you should listen to these scientists and doctors who are making better arguments.
But regardless of that, you're like, well, the scientists and doctors who you're talking about got this catastrophically wrong.
Like you know, when they talk about those 250 000 deaths that were added by the lockdowns, that's just, they're not even getting into it.
I mean, you know there's so many things like childhood obesity went up 50 percent over the last uh, two years.
Uh, you know how many deaths is that going to lead to?
There's no number on that.
Nobody knows exactly.
You know how, and even if it's not deaths per se, it's how many people's lives are ruined or way harder, or the you know.
And then the idea that like, are those people going to grow up and have kids?
If so, are they going to instill those bad habits in kids?
I mean, this is something that's going to have generational repercussions.
It's just, it's I.
I said I was on Kennedy last night and I said this.
I said it's it's, you know, just the lockdowns.
Forget all of the other stuff, I go.
This is one of, if not the worst crimes perpetrated on the American people by their government.
You know, I mean just like it's just.
It's unthinkable that they, You know, all the state governors, with the exception of, you know, whatever, Christy Noam in South Dakota, but all the rest of them, DeSantis got his act together quickly, but he even did it at first, just appointed themselves mini dictators, just appointed themselves.
I decide I'm a totalitarian dictator because everybody's doing it.
All the cool governors are doing it.
So I guess I'll do it too.
I'll start deciding who's essential and non-essential.
You know, it's really amazing.
You know, if you think back, I mean, look, obviously we're still living through the craziness and there's this COVID regime and there's the vaccine passports and there's restrictions and mandates and all of this stuff.
But when you actually think back to the lockdowns, it's just such a crazy moment in American history that, you know, March 1st, there was, you couldn't have possibly thought that this would happen.
And then March 20th, you were listening to the governor on TV to find out if you could have a funeral for your dad.
It's just really unbelievable.
It's an unbelievable moment in history that we all lived through.
And now to see, it's just, I don't know, there's something kind of nice about a study with an Ivy League university behind it saying, yes, official stamp, you guys were right.
Now, I don't mean to suggest that we need an Ivy League stamp behind this to know that we were right about it, but I don't know.
I'd be lying if I said there wasn't something satisfying about being like, see, even they, even they admit this.
They admit it, that they were wrong and we were fucking right about this.
I think you're right that it's a massive victory and that hopefully as more institutions actually do real work and come out with more studies like this, then the story just unravels because what experts can they point to to support their narrative?
Interestingly enough, John Hopkins also about a year ago, they had a Wall Street Journal.
It was an opinion piece, but it was from scientists from John Hopkins that were pointing out that the child death numbers, which at the time was 400, would not be considered credible like in any medical journal.
So why is that number being accepted?
However, not to their credit.
I don't know why this took them so much time.
Tom Woods has been talking about this for a year and a half or two years.
Like, I don't think that this story was that unhard to unravel.
The fact that like, this is two-sided.
One, did the lockdowns actually benefit anybody?
It's a little bit counterintuitive, but it turned out didn't prevent all that much because the little bit of interactions that you had, which was maybe just going to the grocery store, was enough that if you were going to get sick, you were going to get sick.
Or if you were spending more time in your house, you were bringing it home to the other people in your house.
It just was a failed strategy on top of the unintended consequences, which happens with every government policy.
When it comes to anything in economics, they try and intervene with stuff.
You have unintended consequences.
But speaking to your point, like heads have to roll.
Like, I mean, we need like a Ted Cruz or some actually, I mean, it's not going to happen.
No, a Rand Paul, maybe.
A Rand Paul, but they need like a crime against humanity government court where the people who have profited off these decisions and made, and like, it can't be a COVID thing.
You need an actual standard of how much harm did you inflict on people because of either negligence, bad policy, or profiteering.
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But like, this is not a small thing.
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Like some of them, they might be that way forever.
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He's going to spend his whole life as a fat kid.
That's his life.
You just ruined that little, he was a cute kid.
Now he's a fat kid.
And I know it sounds kind of fucked up to say, but I don't think this is wrong.
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I just think protecting kids is the most important thing, like in general.
I think that's a greater value that I have than libertarianism or anything else.
Anything else that I like I value in my life.
I value being like a good comedian.
I value being an honest person.
I value having a good podcast.
I value liberty.
I value all these things.
Protecting children to me is more important than any of that.
Vitamin D and COVID Severity00:13:44
And a kid developing obesity is, to me, like say like a seven-year-old, just for sake of argument, developing obesity when maybe they were a little bit overweight and then they just got like fucking, you know, obese.
I think that's more horrific than a fucking 87-year-old dying who would have lived to 92.
That's just like my own personal values.
I just think that's worse.
Like, and I'm not like downplaying what it is for someone who's 87 to die when they would have lived to 92 and maybe would have had like, you know, I don't know, five more years, maybe three more good years with their grandkids or something like that.
Like, that's important to me.
I would hate to be robbed of that if I was like an old man.
And I would hate for the kids to be robbed of that and the parents to be robbed of that.
But it's so much worse for like a kid to become obese who wouldn't have otherwise.
Like, that's just my own personal values.
I understand that somewhat.
It's got to be also higher rates for poor people.
Like, I'm just in because people have bigger houses, still able to get outside, parents that are a little bit more on top of it.
You know, it's something that that's an interesting point you made.
And it's funny because there's been actually several studies that have just come out, like kind of over the last few days.
And when you made the point that it is somewhat counterintuitive, and I will grant you that, that that's not something that I was right about from the very beginning, right?
Like I was, I said from the very beginning of COVID.
In fact, I believe my first tweet about COVID, which maybe I'll find this and try to fucking retweet it.
I'll search to find it out.
But I tweeted something along the lines of, I don't know, because I didn't know about the virus at that point.
You know, I'm talking about like the first week when everyone was going crazy.
I went, I don't know if people are overreacting to COVID or not.
You know, my suspicion was they were, but I said, I'm not sure if people are overreacting to this or not.
But I know that people are definitely underreacting to the threat of government like authoritarianism and to the devastation this is going to cause the economy.
Something along those lines.
Something about like people are underreacting to the threat of like real fascism and a Great Depression.
You know, like that's, it was something along those lines.
So right away I knew, but I didn't know necessarily, I wasn't confident in the, you know, middle of March of 2020 to say that lockdowns wouldn't mitigate the virus at all.
You know, it's kind of, it's kind of intuitive to think, yeah, maybe they will.
But I found out, you know, very quickly, you started to realize, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and this is a complete bullshit.
And it doesn't even work.
I never would have supported it even if I thought it would work because I believe in, you know, I'm a give me liberty or give me death kind of guy.
But regardless, one of the reasons, you know, like, so there's several things, right?
Like, yes, you end up taking people, say, instead of going for, you know, a walk in the park, they're just sitting at home all day long.
You could understand where, oh, yeah, that would be more likely, you'd be more likely to spread the virus.
And you still have to go out to some degree.
You know, you have to get food and this.
We can't just all starve to death.
So you're still interacting with other people, but now only in these confined areas where we're all jammed in.
So of course, there's a lot of reasons why this happened.
But another reason may be related to this new study that came out of Israel that you actually sent to me earlier today, which was, which is really something that this is what the so just to tell people before you, you know, why don't you break it down and then you can explain it.
It was a Times of Israel piece that was basically coming in, at least according to this article, with solid evidence that people that had enough vitamin D in their system were not getting overwhelmingly sick of COVID and that they could even predict how severe your COVID illness would be based off of vitamin D levels.
Now, what is so humorous about that is that even the stuff I would have pointed to on the internet and said, hey, this is ridiculous, was early on when people were like, oh, you'll be fine as long as you have vitamin D. I'd be like, all right, that's too much.
And like, I would come across those articles of people just being like, it's as long as you got vitamin D. I'd be like, all right, come on.
Like, let's like, there's lunacy and then there's somewhat credible science.
And like, just telling me I need to have some fucking vitamin D is, it sounds like, you know, sounds like yoga shit.
But it turns out that there's some credibility there.
Yeah.
Well, that's, that's right.
And, you know, but look, so this is, it's not just that there's some credibility there.
It's that, so evidently in Israel, and I didn't know this.
This was news to me, but evidently vitamin D deficiency is rampant.
The Palestinians steal it from them.
They come over the wall, they suck the vitamin D out of them.
I've been a critic of Israel for years, but now I get it.
Now I get what they're doing.
I mean, those Palestinians, like, yeah, sure, they don't have their freedom or their land, but they got all that sweet ass vitamin D over there.
I'm thinking vitamin D from the sun.
Am I retarded?
Yes.
It's actually referred to as the sunshine vitamin.
It's sunny.
The best way to get it is to be outdoors and get a lot of sunshine.
Now, you can also take supplements, but that's not quite as good.
The best way to get it is to be out in the sun.
Now, also, I agree with you.
I don't understand why the fuck there would be a deficiency of it in Israel.
I'll have to do some more research to figure that out.
You've got the wall too high.
There's no sun coming in.
The Jews.
The sun just doesn't affect the Jews.
Anyway, none of that's the case.
You know, everyone knows we're both Jews, right?
Anyway, but the point is that this would also explain, I think, to some degree.
So the study basically was showing that the people who weren't vitamin D deficiency had like outrageously better outcomes with COVID than the people who were deficient in vitamin D.
And this was a study specifically on unvaccinated people.
So this is without the vaccine, just getting a lot of vitamin D, people tended to do really well against this.
It reminded me of this piece that I read early in the pandemic when they were talking about how in the Spanish flu, when the Spanish flu happened, you know, around 100 years before the COVID vaccine, that they were making these makeshift outdoor hospitals and they realized, now this was without any type of like, you know, they didn't have the scientific advancements that we had today, but they realized the people in the outdoor hospitals were doing way better than the people in the indoor hospitals.
And that was just like something that they realized.
Now, I don't know if that was related to vitamin D or just related to the fact that they weren't in, yeah, right, better ventilator, something.
But regardless, all of the doctors, just from like hands-on experience, like doctors and nurses who were just dealing with patients, were like, hey, if there's another pandemic, we got to keep people outdoors because this indoor shit is way worse than the outdoor shit.
So there's a lot of different factors here that might lead into why the lockdowns were such failures.
But to me, I thought it was just very interesting that this study was also published the same week where it's like, oh, vitamin D was a really big deal.
So it turns out getting sunlight was a really big deal in terms of your odds of having good outcomes with COVID.
And that could also explain why telling everyone to stay home.
And literally, I mean, if you remember back in March, April, May of 2020, there was, I mean, playgrounds were closed.
They were, for kids.
I was trying to do pull-ups in front of kids.
That's kind of my jam.
And then they roped up the whole area.
The kids usually aren't impressed, but one out of 12 or something like that.
That's what you're looking for.
You just need one.
But you know what I mean?
So that might have had something to do with it too, that they were keeping people inside.
And this is, you know, not getting your usual levels of vitamin D.
So, you know, there's a lot of different factors here.
But the bottom line is that, you know, for governments to be allowed to deem certain Americans, you know, non-essential and you don't to rob them of their basic human right to go to work, to support their family, to go to their father, you know, have a funeral for a loved one, to do these like basic,
to go worship at their church or their temple or what, you know, to rob people of that under the, you know, the name of we're following the science and we're doing this for public health.
And then to find out that it had nothing to do with public health.
It had nothing to do with science.
It's hard to not look at that and go, wow, that's kind of a big deal.
And it's hard for a couple of jerk-off comedians who have been podcasting about this for two years and have been right about so much of this stuff and railing against the COVID regime to not, it's hard to not feel a little bit of like, yep, there you have it.
Now, now, will you dummies want to listen?
Now that it's in a fucking Ivy League, you know, like fucking study, now, now can we talk about this again?
And the thing is, like, it makes you want to go, and I don't mean to be petty with this, but I'm trying to get to like what the what really matters.
But the point is, it's like, hey, so if we were right about all of that and you were yelling, follow the science, and now the science clearly shows you that that was all bullshit, maybe we're right about a lot of this other stuff that subsequently followed all of that.
Maybe, maybe we should listen to the people and starting with the scientists, you know, but maybe we should listen to the people who fucking were warning against this, this stuff to begin with.
Well, hopefully there will actually be some sort of a massive overhaul and an investigation into why so many people that are bad at making decisions have been running the show for as long as they have.
And I'd also even, even for John Hopkins, why'd it take them so long to get this study out?
Like, it could be that the administrators, whoever's above them, didn't want them getting it out, or is it because of funding from someone?
But in all seriousness, like, if they, if let's, let's go with the most positive outlook that this story is the camel that breaks the camel, I mean, the story that breaks the camel's back, and all of a sudden, more academic institutions get behind this to roll out more stories about what might actually be helpful by way of treatments and public policy.
Why did it take so long?
Yep.
No, that's actually true.
That's absolutely true.
Okay, there was one more study that came out this week.
It was from the Journal of American Medical Association.
And they found some interesting news about people who have already had and recovered from COVID.
Okay.
So I don't know if you saw this one, Rob.
I meant to text this over to you earlier today, but researchers have found that people who have recovered from COVID have similar spike protein antibody levels whether they were infected 20 days or 20 months ago.
So this was Alex Berenson had a recent piece on his sub stack about this, which I highly recommend.
I will tell you that both me and Rob read Alex Berenson.
And he, you know, I know he's been quite demonized by a lot of people, but not that I just take everything he says as gospel, but he's certainly been one of the people who's been influential on both of us over the last couple of years.
And it's part of the reason why our track record is pretty good on this stuff.
I'll just say he's made my job because I would say for the first 14 months of this, maybe eight months, I don't know exactly the timeframe, but like I was trying to break down each one of these stories because I thought they were bullshit.
And then at some point I realized Alex Berenson was coming to very similar conclusions.
And then at some point I realized, oh, I don't really need to do that much homework.
Alex is kind of on top of it.
And he's the one sub stack I subscribe to.
And every three days I'll read everything he puts out, including his book.
And I don't think he has too many misses.
Yeah.
Now, this was also a study on unvaccinated people.
They found that 99% of the 295 unvaccinated people they tested who had confirmed COVID infections had measurable anti-spike proteins.
Nearly all of them also had antibodies to another part of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
And people who were vaccinated do not have those same antibodies after 20 months.
So basically what they're finding is that not only, as many studies have shown before, that natural immunity is stronger than the vaccine, but that also it is substantially more durable.
It lasts a lot longer than the antibodies.
And what's interesting is that this study was specifically about spike protein antibodies, which is the big selling point of the vaccine.
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So again, there's just, you know, it's kind of like, look, it's not as if any of this shit, even though they yell, follow the science, follow the science, follow the science, it's not as if any of this shit has actually been dictated by science at any point.
But it's interesting that in one week, so much of the science has been really turning in the favor of people who have been opposed to the whole COVID regime.
Just wait until we get the definitive studies on the ivory and the hydroxies, which I'm not even saying work.
I'm just not, I'm saying, why haven't we had definitive studies on that?
Shouldn't be open-ended.
Yeah, that is a, I think that's a point that's hard to argue with.
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The Blow to Vaccinated Countries00:12:12
The other thing I guess that this we could talk about a little bit, because I don't think me and you have really discussed this, but just in the realm of looking at science and data and what we know.
And again, it's funny because, you know, I understand where a lot of people, believe me, I get almost every day on Twitter, I get someone saying, we're like, oh, yeah, I think I'll listen to a scientist and not a comedian about what I should feel about COVID-19.
And I will say, that is not.
I wish it worked that way.
I wish it worked that way.
Well, it's not, you know, it's not inherently an unfair position.
Like, sure, yeah.
But the problem is that it's like, which scientists are you listening to?
And the problem is that all the scientists who are right about this stuff have either been banned off Twitter and YouTube and shit like that already, or you just don't know who they are.
And so you're just listening to the scientists who have been appointed by politicians.
Yeah, I was on Kennedy last night, and one of the people on the panel who's like a Democratic strategist, you know, we were talking, we were like bashing Fauci, and she said at one point, she goes, well, you know, even if Fauci left, the next person who they put in there is probably going to end up being very similar to Fauci.
And I said, I was like, you know, I kind of have to agree with you on that because that is true.
That is what's likely.
For like like, the type of epidemiologist who's likely to be appointed by politicians, probably will be a lot like Fauci, even if it wasn't him.
But that's not really the point.
You know, the point is that there's a lot of epidemiologists out there who got this right the entire time, but they would never be appointed by by the you know political system.
So uh anyway, if you want to talk about the um, the latest, you know, because now obviously it's like, I think, at this point, with the, the lockdown era of the Covid regime, I think we've we've kind of proven our point.
I mean, I think we've proven it long ago.
Just looking at Sweden and Japan and, you know, Florida and and south Dakota, and now even Texas and all of this, I think that that point has been proven.
Um, I think with mask mandates, that point has been proven, I think, with all of this stuff um, but the the latest, of course, version of this is the vaccines, and now it's interesting how, how this stuff happens.
You know, this has been like a major theme of uh, this show from the very beginning.
Uh, and me and you have talked about this a lot that there's this really um, convenient dynamic where, when a crisis is happening, like when you're in the middle of the crisis and the government response is completely wrong.
It's like a third rail to talk about it, you know.
It's like you don't want to touch that thing because you you're going to get fucking zapped if you do, like you're not allowed to say this or you'll get kicked off fucking.
You know you'll get kicked off social media or you'll just you'll be bombarded or whatever.
But then after a little while you're kind of allowed to acknowledge, oh yeah, they were wrong about it.
The thing that would have been career ending for you at the time.
You know, I mean, not for us so far, but for lots of people that thing now you're allowed to talk about.
So now we're allowed to talk about the lockdowns.
Now we're allowed to talk about that.
You know that.
You, you made this point uh, when Jon Stewart made that fucking.
Uh hilarious, brilliant.
You know uh had that whole bit about uh the, the lab leak, that it's like oh okay yes no, now you're allowed to talk about this.
A few months earlier you, this is career ending.
But now it's just like, isn't this hilarious?
It obviously happened this way right um so, so it's interesting, because the lockdowns were that thing for a while.
You know, and if you, if you don't have that short of an attention span you, you remember this.
You're like, oh yeah, if you didn't want, if you didn't support the Lockdowns.
You were this awful evil person who just wanted grandma to die and you had to be shut down and all of this because you just wanted to get a haircut and you know, whatever.
And, but now it's the vaccines.
You know, you're allowed to talk about all this other stuff.
You're allowed to talk about the lockdowns and all of this stuff.
But you're, but the vaccines are the new things like, well, you can't question.
You can't question the fucking vaccines.
But I don't know how much you've been keeping up with this, but what's been going on in Israel, that's where that other study also came from, but what's been going on in Israel is pretty interesting for a lot of people who have been, let's say, skeptical of the claims that are being made about the vaccines, certainly opposed to them being mandated.
It really is something.
I mean, have you looked at the data in Israel recently?
I've seen Berenson posting about the fact that basically the most vaccinated country on, I think they're the most vaccinated country on the planet currently.
They put up some good numbers.
Those Jews knew how to get priority access to the Pfizer, the good stuff.
And their current death numbers, I think, are higher than in the first wave.
If it's not higher than the first wave, then there's certainly you would think for a country that's been vaccinated and boosting would just be handling it a little bit better.
And it seems just to be showcasing the fact that the vaccine clearly doesn't work.
Well, here's the thing.
All right.
So I was looking at the numbers for a while over the last couple weeks.
And it's been interesting because Israel, of course, we've probably mentioned this before on the show, but Israel is the most vaccinated country in the world.
They have about roughly 90% of the adult population is double vaccinated.
About 80% of the country is double vaccinated and boosted.
And they're giving out the fourth round to people in certain demographics.
I think 65 and older and people immunocompromised are eligible to get their fourth round.
Okay.
So this is, I think, by any reasonable standard, you know, a country where, you know, I don't know what to say.
I mean, again, I'm no fucking brilliant genius scientist, but if you're saying the vaccine works very well and this is the most vaccinated country, you'd think like they'd be doing pretty well.
Except in the last few weeks, they have broken their single day and rolling week records for cases.
So I was looking at that and I was like, wow, this really, to me, I think destroys the argument that the vaccine is preventing cases, right?
So that's, well, let me just finish this real quick and then I want to hear what you have to say, right?
So to me, that was my kind of take on this.
Like, it's like, oh, okay.
And that was interesting to me because I'm like, okay, so if this is happening, if the most vaccinated country is having this crazy spike in cases, they've broken their single day record.
They've broken their rolling week average record.
Okay.
So this is kind of demonstrating that this doesn't stop people from getting the virus and spreading the virus.
And then what you're like left with is just the argument for the vaccine is that, well, you're less likely to get very sick and die from it if you have it.
But with that, you go, that removes the entire argument for the mandates.
There's no more argument for mandating anything because this is no longer about protecting anyone else.
It's just about yourself.
And then you can go into all these other arguments, like, okay, but for a lot of people, like if you don't have comorbidities, if you're not immunocompromised, if you're not, if you're a 25-year-old, what is the argument now that the sales pitch is like instead of having a 99.999% survival rate, you'll have a 99.9995% survival rate?
Like, that's not that strong of a sale to take an experimental, you know, liability-protected new vaccine.
But now, looking at the data, it's not just the cases.
The death rate is also way above a lot of these other countries.
And go, don't take my word for it.
Go look at the data, but I'm just saying, and that's like a whole new level to me of where you go like, wow, this is really a blow to the fucking, again, if you want to follow the science, which none of the people claiming to want to follow the science actually do, but it's a real blow to anybody claiming that.
If you want to follow the science, the only thing to think about is getting vaccinated.
It's just not true anymore.
So I'm sorry.
I just wanted to finish that, but go ahead.
No, I was firstly, I hadn't even been thinking about the breakthrough point that you were making, which is true.
The U.S. doesn't have great breakthrough data.
So other countries showcasing that the utility is not in preventing sick or spread.
Yes, there is no, then what evidence would you have to suggest that there is any reason to have mandates against people that aren't vaccinated?
But then also, yeah, no, I was going to say what you said, that South Africa, if you compare South Africa to Israel and the unvaccinated areas, I think they're fending better.
The only question in that might be South America.
Right.
Right.
Yeah, I guess you're right about that.
So to see, right.
But I mean, I just think there's something that like the onus, it's much like with the lockdowns, the onus is on you to show that you're doing much better.
If these measures are worth it, then like, okay, so then the places who don't do this must be doing much worse.
And with the situation in Israel, it's like, I don't know, dude.
I mean, if you only have 10% of the population, the adult population at least, who's unvaccinated, how are you breaking your records?
It just doesn't make any sense.
Like, this is a very, like, I'm open.
If someone wants to explain it to me, how it's just the unvaccinated people who are like, that's where this is going to, but come on, that's not the case.
I mean, I don't know.
I haven't seen, I was looking the other day and I couldn't find it.
I haven't seen a recent percentage breakdown, but I know during the Delta wave that they said that 60% of their hospitalizations were vaccinated.
And it's like, shouldn't this have like, shouldn't this be a major shake-up for everyone?
But instead, what everyone takes from that is like, yep, that's why they need the fourth booster.
And that's why they need the fifth booster.
I'm sure that will be next.
And so it's really interesting that they're just kind of doubling down and doubling down on this completely failed policy.
And, you know, I don't know what to say at this point, but it's, look, it's not, I don't think that it drastically changes anything to have so much more of the science on our side.
I know the other side is screaming, follow the science.
They've never really meant that.
What they mean is just follow the dogma, but it is a little bit encouraging to get so much more of the science coming out on our side.
I guess I would say that.
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Holocaust Comparisons and Media Bias00:15:20
All right, let's get back into the show.
Okay, anything else to add on any of that stuff, Rob?
No, I don't think so.
All right.
Are you going to get vaccinated now?
No?
You don't want to?
All right.
Okay.
There's some other stories going on that I guess we should talk about.
All right, let's talk about this.
This is a little bit lighter and more fun.
A couple late ones.
All right.
Jeff Zucker, CNN president.
He's out.
He stepped down.
And you know why?
Because of the Russia collusion lie.
They just, he was so ashamed that his network devoted all of their time for four years to calling, you know, accusing the president of the United States of being a traitor to his country and then being completely wrong about it that he was like, I'm so ashamed of that.
It's such an embarrassment.
Our ratings have collapsed.
And so I have to step down.
That's so, I got a different story.
The one that I read.
Yeah, that it was pure ratings.
I just heard that they were, as they've lost so many of their viewers, they just couldn't keep them there anymore.
That was the story that I read.
Hmm.
Hold on.
Let me check.
Let me just check real quick and see who's right.
And we're both wrong.
What?
It was side pussy.
Turns out that's what it was.
It was neither of those things.
No, fucking a chick under them.
Well, you're saying consensual a few too many times.
Yes, I did.
I noticed that too.
That's so funny that you mentioned that.
I noticed that too.
Like it was even in his resignation letter.
He was like, I did have a consensual relationship with a woman who worked for me that was totally consensual.
And her name was Consensual.
And me and Consensual love each other, but it was totally consensual.
And you're like, I have never described any relationship I've had with a woman as consensual before, mostly because I thought that was a given.
I've never thought that was something that needed to be said.
And even saying it, doesn't it just make you seem like such a creep?
Like, doesn't it make you, if you were just kind of like, if you were like, someone was like, hey, did you hook up with that girl?
And you're like, yeah, it was consensual.
You're like, what?
The fuck who's who talks like that?
Like, obviously, that's the assumption.
Anyway, evidently not.
There's got to be more to this story.
I mean, first, they're already saying he's going down because of Cuomo.
Well, there was like the producer turned out to be like a real pedophile or there was like a recent incident.
And then you had Cuomo who got in trouble when his brother got in trouble and they started saying, hey, look, you've also got a couple of these little sexual assault type cases going on here.
Like unclear.
And then apparently he was, Cuomo was complaining, well, why is the boss getting away with this?
Because he was trying to make sure he got his severance or whatever other package.
So he was ramping up the heat.
But I don't believe that this guy's just stepping down.
Maybe he's just, this is the more graceful way of being fired because you're not good at your job.
They're paying you to make propaganda.
No one's watching the network.
So they need to get someone else in the post.
But I'm thinking there's got to be something, something juicier here.
Yeah, it does seem that way.
I don't know.
You're right.
It was related to the Chris Cuomo investigation.
He even acknowledged that, that in the course of the investigation, evidently Cuomo's lawyers were like, well, hey, we all, because evidently this was like an open secret.
He was fucking some chick who worked there.
And he hadn't disclosed it, which is what the company policy is, is like to disclose your relationship.
Who the fuck wants to go to HR and be like, listen, I got a wife, but I also got this other lady in the office and we're kind of banging.
And this is when we bang.
And here's the conversations that we're having.
Can I get one of those?
Please don't show my wife forms.
But I'll tell you, there is something to me.
I do like I, and maybe I look at this a little bit differently than I would have in the past, but I do think it's really scummy to be cheating on your wife.
And I think that particularly, you know, the way CNN kind of is in the business of moral condemnation.
You know, it's not like they just, you know, report the news.
In fact, I think they almost never do, but they're always in the business of kind of like telling you, you know, like if you just think about CNN, like the whole lineup is telling you how morally repugnant other people are and how, you know, how outraged they are by it.
And then you find out that so many of these guys are like, you know, you turn the camera in on them and it's like, oh my God, these disgusting people.
So I do kind of find it like, yeah, this is sleazy and gross.
And if your policy is that you should disclose this and your corporation, you should step down for this.
But it's just something to see that the guy who I think he's been there since 2013, something like that, he's been running the network.
And what a disaster by every metric, by like the metric of doing good journalism, by the metric of getting any of the stories that you obsessed over right, by the metric of ratings, by the metric of how much of the country hates your guts.
I mean, like CNN reporters, there's about 50% of the country who like, if someone walks in with a CNN jacket on, they're going to be like heckled and shouted out of whatever establishment they're in.
It's crazy that the guy who ran that organization into the ground into that position leaves over this, you know?
So I don't know.
I hope, like, I don't want to be the same hypocrite that they are that I instantly assume since they're on the other side that the guy's guilty.
And I actually think that we've got a broken system here that somehow Cuomo, like the governor Cuomo, is off the hook now.
That makes no sense to me.
You had multiple news articles.
You had the prosecution saying that he's moving forward, and now all of a sudden it's just gone.
I made this joke, like, I'm not in joking for him, but then why aren't the women like in trouble that made sexual assault claims?
Then somebody's lying here.
If there are women that's very weird to say, because if just for people who don't remember, there was this whole report that said Cuomo had committed criminal activity and then he resigned.
And then they go, we're not pressing charges.
So you're kind of like, well, which one is it?
I mean, I'm sorry.
Like, if he did commit criminal activity, then fucking indict him.
And if he didn't, then he shouldn't have had to resign.
And again, we think Cuomo should have had to resign for 17 other reasons that are way more important than this.
Yes, mostly being the butcherer of grandmas.
But regardless of that, it's like, but he did resign for this.
So which one is it?
You know, it's like that's that right there is that that thing is what makes us libertarians.
Is that like thing of going like, no, I'm sorry.
I demand this has to be consistent.
Like this has to be like, which one is it?
Are you saying he committed these crimes?
Well, if he did, then charge him.
And if not, then don't.
But again, the fact that it's both of those things just shows you how corrupt this whole system is.
And on your point with the moral condemnation, was that the word you used?
Perhaps.
Did I get that right?
D-Dog.
I don't know if you saw the article.
I think I sent it over your way, but Don Lemon was saying that we got to let Whoopi Goldberg off the hook in part because she plays for our team.
He literally, I think if he didn't use that term, he said she's an ally or something.
She's an ally.
Yes.
Right.
Which that's not the point.
It's I, it's the standard.
It's either.
And firstly, I don't think Whoopi should be fired over what she said.
However, you guys live in a world where you're not allowed to make mistakes like that and you're not allowed to have bigoted opinions.
And so that's the standard that you want to live by.
Yes, and evidently all of the women of the view are very upset about this.
They're upset.
Since she got fired?
No, well, she hasn't been fired, from what I understand.
She's been suspended for two weeks.
And they're all like, oh, this is fucked up.
She's suspended for two weeks.
And it's like, look, you're right.
That's true.
But if it was a right-winger, you'd all be piling on, you know?
And so that's the thing that's so like infuriating is the hypocrisy.
But just for people who don't know, I'm sure most people have heard about this.
But so Whoopi Goldberg, who is one of the clucking hens on the view, she is the heaviest now, the mega.
The largest one these days.
She was up there clucking away and she was saying dumbass shit like they all do.
But she said they were talking about the Holocaust, which is, you would think, right, like on the view, like you would just think they were like, just don't talk about the Holocaust because like you, you guys are all like a fucking gaggle of retards and none of you know anything.
So just all that can happen here is one of you says the wrong thing and fucks up.
Anyway, so she said that the Holocaust, and I kind of think this is actually interesting for me.
She said it twice and she was pushing it.
She insisted on it.
Yes.
But I think this is interesting because me and you are both Jews.
So it's kind of interesting to talk about our response, our feelings about this.
But so she said that the Holocaust was not about race.
And then, like, kind of the rest of the table is kind of like, well, what do you mean it's not about race?
She's like, no, it's not.
It wasn't about race.
It wasn't a racial issue because they're all white.
So it was just about man's inhumanity toward his fellow man.
But it wasn't about race.
That was her comment.
I don't know.
Now, look, here's the thing that's kind of weird about this, right?
There's.
I would, my, my first response to that would be like, no, that's wrong.
Cause, well, I mean, no question to the Nazis it was about race.
If you know anything about the Nazis, that's what it was about.
I mean, the Nazis had really weird genetic obsessive views.
Like, they believed in like the Aryan race that was descendant from Atlantis or whatever, that was like blonde-haired, blue-eyed people, and the Aryan people were like superior and all of this, and that the Jews were like the worst race.
And like, they, that's how they viewed it.
And the Jews thought it was about race because the Jews certainly saw themselves as a distinct people.
So it's a little bit weird to say it's not about race when both of the groups involved are like, no, it is.
It is about race.
You know what I mean?
So yes, it was, it's ignorant, and clearly she didn't know anything about the Holocaust or the Nazis or how it went down.
But what's kind of interesting is that like, have you ever heard that the expression, Jews are only white on the coasts?
Oh, interesting.
So they're like only like, you know, in New York and LA and stuff like that, it's like, yeah, the Jews are considered white, but if you go anywhere else, it's like they're not, now it's kind of looked at as a different race.
I don't know.
Like, you know, people have asked me this before, be like, do you consider yourself white, even though you're Jewish?
And I've always been kind of like, I don't know.
Like, whatever you think, fine.
I'll go with you.
I don't care.
Like, it's not really a big deal to me.
But there's something funny about if they're taking this position that it's so fucked up to say that they were all the same race, then aren't you inherently saying like, no, Jews are not white.
They're their own distinct race, which doesn't seem like the thing that the establishment would be comfortable saying.
Do you get the point that I'm making?
Like, there's something about that, like, that you're like, yeah, oh, you're absolutely right.
It was all about race.
I consider the Jews a completely different race than everyone else.
Like, is it, yeah, like, because she could make her argument that even though the Nazis thought this, and even though the Jews thought that, it's not really true.
They're actually all the same race.
So in that case, I suppose it wasn't.
Now, believe me, Whoopi Goldberg has never gone this many levels of thought into this conversation, but I'm going to.
And I'm just asking why this is such an offensive thing to say.
Again, it's not as if she said, it's funny because it's almost treated as if it's no different if she said, like, if she said, here's the thing, right?
This is the thing where there's just like no nuance with any of these like topics, where I feel like if you said, if you say, hey, I think these COVID policies are reminiscent of the Nazis, if you say, you know, it wasn't really about race, what the Nazis did to the Jews.
Or if you say, you know, I don't think what happened to the Jews is actually as bad as what's reported.
Or if you say, I'm glad that that happened to the Jews, they deserved worse.
They're almost all treated as the same.
You know what I mean?
Like, as if there's no difference between all of those different things, which are like wildly different things to say in levels of how fucked up they are.
But they're all treated as the same.
Like, I've had this experience before where people are like, how come you don't condemn Holocaust deniers and stuff?
And I'll be like, I mean, a Holocaust denier isn't as bad as someone who believes it happened and is for it.
You know, like, there's some difference there.
Like, there's a difference between saying, I don't think that many people died and being like, I know they did.
And it wasn't enough.
You know, like, there's, I just, I, it's crazy to me how people can't like separate the kind of like, I mean, her saying it wasn't about race.
Yeah, I mean, I kind of think it was.
I think it was stupid.
It was, it was your typical, it was the view level intelligence is what she gave.
But I don't think it's something like as a Jew who had family in the Holocaust or whatever, I don't think it's something that's like, she must be fired for this.
I just, I don't see it that way.
Your thoughts, Rob?
No, I agree that I just don't think she should be fired for it, especially because the end line of reasoning from her is that people shouldn't do this to other people.
So how am I going to take the opposite side of that?
Yes, people shouldn't kill other groups of people for any reason.
And yes, it is a human issue.
I do think she showed her cards a little bit because even at one point she's like, oh, well, that was white on white.
So you guys have to work that one out.
So she almost showed a little bit of a racism against what, like of saying this is, and I like I've had, I've had like sometimes when I'm trying, listen, I don't care.
I think it's lame to walk around with the, I've been oppressed mantle or I'm afraid, like, as far as Jews have it, we're the luckiest Jews in human history to be in this time period.
And like, I just don't confront, it's, I'm aware of it.
Outrage Over Racist Remarks00:10:25
I've had incidents in my life that were like, there was anti, but it's like, I just don't walk around.
I don't care about it.
I don't confront it that often.
I completely agree with you, dude.
I completely agree.
I've actually gotten into arguments with relatives and like, you know, family friends and stuff like this before, where they've been like, well, what do you think about like the rise of anti-Semitism in the country?
And I'll be like, well, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
And I'll be like, I don't know.
I don't really see any evidence of it.
Like, what are you talking about?
And they'll like be like, well, there was an incident at a college campus recently where someone said, you Jews should blah, blah, blah, get out of here.
And I'm like, so you're saying someone was a dick somewhere once?
Like, that's your, you're, oh my God.
Okay.
I mean, I'm not defending it.
Like, sounds like that person was a dick.
But like, there was also someone in a middle school yesterday who like there was a kid with a mole on their face and they were like, hey, mole face.
Like, but and that kid was a dick.
I don't know.
There's, there's incidents of kids being dicks, people being dicks, whatever.
It's wrong.
You shouldn't do that.
But do I have to pretend?
Like, look, I'm, I'm Jewish.
I'm in my late 30s.
I have a great career, a great family, great friends.
There's never once in this country been one obstacle that stood in my way because I'm Jewish that didn't allow me to do what I want to do with my life.
Now, I'm not saying that's true for everyone who's Jewish, but in general, I don't see there being that much.
And my grandfather, you know, lived in Nazi Germany.
And I just feel like, who the fuck would I be to be like, man, there's a real problem today with like all of these obstacles that are put in Jewish people's way?
I hate that.
I hate that stuff.
Now, by the way, I will say, if there is something real like that, okay, then let me know about it and I'll be completely against it.
That would be so fucked up.
And every now and then there are these crazy things.
You know, someone goes and shoots up a bunch of people in a synagogue because they're Jewish or something like that.
And that's horrible.
But that's also one crazy person that's not indicative of like a rise of what's going on in our society.
And that person usually is what our system does is they find that person, either kill him or fucking try him and put him in jail for life.
So I don't know what more I could ask that our society does about that, you know?
So that's kind of like my take on this.
And the other thing that I'll mention, and I was talking about this a little bit on Kennedy the other night, but maybe I didn't make this point, which I would like to make, is that I always look at it like this.
And maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
Like someone, give me feedback if you think I'm wrong about this.
But I always feel like I go, look, let's say there are some people out there who don't really like Jews.
Maybe they're fucking for whatever reason.
They think there's the Jews run everything or the Jews are hurting the rest of us or whatever their rationale is.
And you see someone like Whoopi Goldberg say something like this.
And as soon as she says it, she gets, they pounce on her.
And then the next day she comes out and she goes, this is what bugs me, right?
Is that she goes, hey, I apologize.
I was wrong about that.
You know, a lot of people have been angry at me and I've looked into it and like, yeah, no, it was a race issue.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have said that.
And to me, I right away go, okay, all right.
Well, then we're good.
I mean, if what is there to possibly argue?
And then they still suspend her and it's still this huge controversy.
What's going to get Jews on the media, Dave?
Well, right.
It's like trying, right?
Are you trying to convince the people who might be skeptical of Jews to really hate Jews?
Like, how does this help at all?
How does it help to be like, no, listen, let me show you how I'm really going to get the people who don't like Jews back on our side.
I'm going to show them that if you even so much as say a slightly wrong thing, you will be ruined.
You know what I mean?
Like that's that this just can't possibly be the right way to handle things.
And one of the things that I've done a lot, and I guess it's, it's in some small corners, gotten me in trouble or made people not like me.
But when people have, you know, some, like I've had some podcasts with people who are not fans of Jews and talked to some of those people.
And one of the things I always try to do is I'm not going to sit here and be like, that is so outrageous that you don't like Jews.
I'll just be like, hey, what's up, dude?
Hey, let's talk.
And like, be cool with them and be like, hey, so what are your ideas exactly?
And try to deal with them on the merits of what their ideas are, which often are not great and sometimes are like, you know, not terrible.
Like, I've talked to people who are like very libertarian and just seem to like not like Jews that much.
And you're like, okay, I mean, whatever.
You don't have to like Jews as long as you're not doing nothing to us, then fine, you know?
But I always felt like, wouldn't that be a better way to approach it?
That at least that person, let's say who didn't like Jews, but then like talked to me and was like, well, all right, I guess it's not all Jews.
I mean, he seems to be like fairly cool.
Like, what would it do if I was just like, no, I'm so outraged by what you're saying?
Isn't that just going to prove to them their own preconception?
So that's kind of one of the things I look at with this situation.
Like, what is this?
Who does this help?
This is, it's not as if she said anything like that she hates Jewish people.
She just, she said something stupid.
She's on the view.
That's what they, they are professionals at, saying dumb shit.
So I agree 100%.
Should not be fired.
And it doesn't, it's not a good look that she's being fired for it.
But with what I was saying, with like, I'm aware when I go to South, I don't want to have a run-in with a cop.
He might look at my license, see Bernstein.
I might have an issue.
Or I'm like, if I were to walk into a really fucking Southern boy, like, I would just be a little bit aware.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's certain vibes of certain places.
Like, I would be aware of it.
I've mentioned that to like black people who are like friends of mine.
They'll be like, but you're white.
It's like, you don't get it.
Like, there's the same people that don't like blacks probably don't like Jews.
Now, it might be easier to pinpoint the fact that you're black than that I'm Jewish, but like there's the same person that really like a KKK person dislikes Jews just as much as they hate them.
Like, we're running.
So I think what Whoopi's somewhat doing, and this is the dumbness of victimhood, is that like they want the victim mantle.
So to her, we live in America.
And so the race issue in this country is the history of what whites did to black people.
And so it's almost in her viewset, like it's offensive to think that anyone else could be a victim because we're living in America.
And so the victim story here is the victim story of the blacks.
And so it's offensive to even suggest that there's a different storyline.
Fair.
Okay, fair enough.
But I would add this.
If you're black, like Whoopi Goldberg, and by the way, who changed her name to a Jewish name?
What's her actual last name?
I don't know, but it ain't Goldberg.
That's the last time I always said, what's a real black name?
Which is so nuts.
Whoopi Humbatu.
But anyway, regardless, okay, but let me say this.
If you're black, like Whoopi Goldberg, and if you're dumb as shit, like Whoopi Goldberg, okay?
Just saying, I can understand.
I get your point, and I think you're right, but I could understand where you would.
Now, the problem is that she's acting like she has this certainty in the clip.
Like she's like, no, it wasn't, and corrects them, you know, but whatever.
But I could understand that a black person who didn't know shit about this, was ignorant about the situation, would go, what are you talking about?
Of course it's not a racial issue.
They all have the same skin tone.
You know?
And her thing was kind of like, well, race is something you could look at them and see.
Like, I can see you're different.
So, okay, she's wrong, but I will say I can kind of get where she's coming from.
I kind of get it.
If you weren't that bright or that informed, you could think that.
Anyway, I wasn't able to register quite the level of stupidity of the way she was.
I gave her too much credit.
Bring yourself down.
Bring yourself down.
No, you're right.
I gave her too much credit that it was like playing this victimhood thing.
Maybe you're right.
Well, no, it might be that too.
It might be that.
I don't know.
I'm just saying, perhaps it's this other thing.
Who the fuck knows?
Anyway, whatever.
I don't care.
I also think like when people say fucked up things, I don't think from my experience in life, most people have some fucked up views.
And, you know, that just kind of is what it is.
You say dumb shit if you're on TV every day.
Well, that's true.
Well, that's true for sure.
But in general, like, I just try to, I try to have some nuance with it.
Like, most people have some fucked up views.
Are there views like this other group of people should fucking die?
Then you'd be like, wow, that's a really fucked up view.
Are there views that this other person, this other group of people doesn't have rights like we do?
Wow, that's really fucked up.
Are there views like, eh, you know, I don't really like that group of people?
It's like, all right, that's like not nearly as fucked up.
And if their view is like, I don't think when they killed all those people, I mean, I think it was horrible, but I don't think it was about race.
That's just, it's just like so low to me on the level of how fucked up that is.
So I don't know.
I just don't, again, back to my point before.
They would celebrate it if someone else was being canceled.
So fuck them.
But at the same time, I'm going to be the most consistent motherfucker you know and say, you know, I don't think she should be canceled over this.