Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Why They Hate Joe Rogan
Aired: 2022-01-30
Duration: 01:06:57


=== America's Next Enemy (04:26) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
[00:00:02]  You're listening to the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:08]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:10]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:12]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:16]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:22]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:26]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:00:30]  Here's your host, Jay Smith.
[00:00:34]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:37]  I'm Dave Smith.
[00:00:38]  And of course, I am joined by my better half, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, the king of the caulks, COVID Jesus.
[00:00:45]  What's up, my brother?
[00:00:46]  How you feeling?
[00:00:47]  I'm a little disappointed here to see you returned home.
[00:00:50]  I know.
[00:00:51]  I know it's very upsetting for you.
[00:00:53]  I'm actually quite, quite happy.
[00:00:54]  I'm in a very good mood.
[00:00:56]  As you mentioned, and as you can see behind me, I am back home, back reunited with the family, and I'm all better.
[00:01:02]  Thanks to everybody for all the well wishes.
[00:01:06]  If I'm being completely honest, while I do appreciate it, it was kind of weird.
[00:01:10]  It's kind of weird.
[00:01:11]  Heard from a lot of people.
[00:01:14]  People really, they treat COVID, which I know for some people get COVID, get real sick and shit.
[00:01:19]  I've known people who got real sick.
[00:01:20]  I'm not like trying to downplay that, but it's funny when you don't, you know, and people are like, you know, I'm getting texts from people I haven't talked to in two years and shit.
[00:01:29]  They're like, dude, just you're in my prayers, praying for you and your family and everything.
[00:01:32]  And you're like, I have a 99-degree fever and a runny nose.
[00:01:36]  I don't know if I warrant your prayers, but thank you.
[00:01:40]  I still do appreciate it.
[00:01:41]  Maybe it's the prayers.
[00:01:41]  Maybe the prayers are what got me better, Rob.
[00:01:43]  Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong.
[00:01:45]  But anyway, very happy to be back with the fam.
[00:01:50]  You know, so that's good.
[00:01:52]  Yeah, what have you been up to the last few days while our entire staff has been in Jamaica?
[00:01:58]  Really nothing exciting.
[00:01:59]  I got some fun videos out.
[00:02:00]  YouTube took one down within two minutes.
[00:02:03]  I set a new record for YouTube censorship.
[00:02:06]  Two minutes.
[00:02:07]  That is awfully quick.
[00:02:08]  Yeah, I did.
[00:02:09]  I can do a pretty good Neil Young impression.
[00:02:11]  So I spoofed some of the songs from his catalog singing about Corona and YouTube took it down.
[00:02:16]  Did you remember that really?
[00:02:18]  That's what it was.
[00:02:19]  Okay.
[00:02:20]  All right.
[00:02:20]  Well, try not to do too much of what you did there on this one.
[00:02:25]  I don't want to get taken down.
[00:02:26]  No, I won't.
[00:02:27]  You even made me nervous where you go.
[00:02:29]  You go, got taken down in two minutes.
[00:02:31]  What I did was, I don't know.
[00:02:33]  Hey, settle down, buddy.
[00:02:35]  Let's keep this shit going as long as we can, as long as possible.
[00:02:40]  Oh, I do want to say before we start up, shout out to my buddy Scott Horton, who just saw the Stopa Libertarian Institute hoodie.
[00:02:48]  Yeah, shout out to the great Scott Horton and to all the great people over at Libertarian Institute.
[00:02:52]  Go help them out if you can.
[00:02:55]  They do great work.
[00:02:56]  And just go over and check out the site.
[00:02:58]  Get all the books that they have.
[00:03:00]  They put out a ton of great books.
[00:03:02]  Of course, both Scott's books, Fool's Eren and Enough Already, are up on there.
[00:03:07]  And The Great Ron Paul.
[00:03:09]  Scott Horton put those three out.
[00:03:11]  They got books by Sheldon Richman and by Will Griggs and a whole bunch of just really great, great stuff.
[00:03:19]  So yeah.
[00:03:20]  Sadly, the snort storm ruined our next Scott Horton hang.
[00:03:23]  I was looking forward to Saturday night.
[00:03:24]  Oh, yeah, that's right.
[00:03:26]  The whole Connecticut thing got canceled.
[00:03:30]  That's too bad.
[00:03:31]  Well, in February, I'll be at the Libertarian Party state conventions in California and Florida.
[00:03:37]  So if you're anywhere near near Long Beach in California or near, I'm blanking on the name of the town.
[00:03:44]  I think it's like an hour outside of Orlando or something like that in Florida.
[00:03:49]  So I'll be there if anyone wants to come out.
[00:03:51]  And we're supposed to like reschedule the Connecticut thing.
[00:03:54]  I mean, they did the convention, but we're supposed to reschedule like the event.
[00:03:58]  So, hopefully, we make that happen.
[00:04:00]  I think they were eyeballing sometime in April, but we haven't locked anything up yet.
[00:04:04]  But anyway, yeah.
[00:04:06]  So, yeah, there you go.
[00:04:07]  Snow fucking ruins everything.
[00:04:08]  Goddamn snow.
[00:04:10]  Okay.
[00:04:11]  So, let's talk about some stuff today that's been on our collective mind.
[00:04:18]  Me and Rob have one mind, but combined, we're an above-average intelligent man.
[00:04:25]  So, there you go.

=== Truckers as Heroes (13:42) ===

[00:04:27]  So, truckers, Rob, I always told you they'd be the heroes.
[00:04:31]  That's right.
[00:04:32]  They're good people.
[00:04:33]  They get stuff where it needs to be.
[00:04:35]  They occasionally honk their horn, if you ask nicely.
[00:04:38]  And every now and then, they set up a 40-mile-long blockade along the Canadian border in protest of COVID mandates.
[00:04:47]  The last being the coolest.
[00:04:49]  I guess the coolest being getting stuff where it needs to go.
[00:04:52]  It's pretty nice to have like gasoline and groceries and stuff like that.
[00:04:55]  But the last part was particularly nice.
[00:04:57]  I enjoyed it.
[00:04:58]  It was also particularly crazy.
[00:05:00]  I don't know the full scope of this, but there was a zero hedge article I'm going to say about 10 days back that Biden put in a new mandate that you cannot cross the borders into America from either Mexico or Canada unless you're vaccinated.
[00:05:14]  There's no testing.
[00:05:15]  There's nothing else.
[00:05:16]  Now, as to how you can be claiming that we're having supply line issues and that you're doing everything you can to solve supply line issues that everyone's upset about.
[00:05:24]  Everyone's upset about pricing and you're saying we're doing everything we can.
[00:05:28]  Well, apparently, you're not that concerned about pricing and supply line issues if you're going to make it more difficult for goods to come into the country.
[00:05:35]  That's for sure.
[00:05:36]  And of course, there are a lot of truckers.
[00:05:39]  My father-in-law is a trucker.
[00:05:41]  So, like, I know a little bit, you know, about cool fucking people.
[00:05:44]  They're Chris Crossing the country, fucking plot lizards.
[00:05:47]  They don't want to hear about vaccines.
[00:05:49]  Yeah.
[00:05:50]  I hope my mother-in-law would appreciate if he's not actually doing that, but maybe back in his day.
[00:05:55]  He's been a trucker for a long time.
[00:05:56]  But yeah, of course, and I really do.
[00:05:59]  He's a great dude.
[00:06:01]  And so he tells me a lot about the job.
[00:06:04]  So I have a little bit of an understanding.
[00:06:06]  Not like I, you know, I've never done it, but I have a little bit of an understanding from what he tells me.
[00:06:10]  And generally, I would say, you know, number one, being a truck driver is a hard job.
[00:06:19]  It's a very hard job.
[00:06:20]  It's a thankless job.
[00:06:22]  You know what I mean?
[00:06:23]  It's, you know, it's like, like my father-in-law has been doing it for a long fucking time and he's at a good company at a good company.
[00:06:30]  So like he makes a decent living from it.
[00:06:32]  But a lot of the younger guys make, you know, not great money doing it.
[00:06:38]  It's hard work.
[00:06:39]  It is vitally important to a functioning society.
[00:06:44]  I mean, it's like, I don't know, it's probably up there with the top level of vitally important services.
[00:06:53]  I mean, you've things, if you took away truck drivers, all of civilization collapses like 48 hours later.
[00:06:59]  We're in a lot of trouble.
[00:07:01]  And it's something that's interesting because people are so removed from that, especially when we have such a like technologically advanced society.
[00:07:08]  But you kind of forget that this whole thing still works off trucks on the roads.
[00:07:15]  And as soon as you get out there on the highway, you know, you notice, oh man, there's fucking trucks everywhere because trucks are bringing stuff to everywhere.
[00:07:25]  And if, you know, if truck drivers didn't do what they did, all of a sudden that your shelves are empty, the gasoline stations are out of fuel, you know, like all this stuff happens very quickly.
[00:07:38]  And the other thing just that I would mention is that truck driving was a relatively safe job during COVID.
[00:07:51]  And I don't just mean safe, like from being deemed non-essential by your government or something like that, which is also true.
[00:07:57]  But I just mean that, you know, I've talked to my father-in-law about it like during COVID, like at the beginning of the pandemic and stuff.
[00:08:04]  And he was like, Yeah, I mean, it's really very easy to keep yourself protected.
[00:08:07]  Like they put a couple like common sense kind of rules in.
[00:08:12]  Like they stopped, they stopped no lot lizards, no lot lizards.
[00:08:17]  That was a hard change.
[00:08:18]  The guys there's a pandemic, so we're just gonna have to take a break that shut it all down.
[00:08:24]  No, so you, I think they changed basically like having the truckers doing some of the loading with the people loading.
[00:08:32]  So they would kind of like be like, and then it's like 90% of the job you're in the truck by yourself.
[00:08:39]  You know, you're completely isolated.
[00:08:40]  It's not like you're riding with someone else in your truck.
[00:08:42]  It's just you.
[00:08:43]  And then when you get out of the truck, you're outdoors and you kind of like try not to get too on top of people.
[00:08:50]  And that's that.
[00:08:50]  It's not, it's not as if this is an industry where it's like a hotbed of spreading COVID or something like that.
[00:08:57]  And so there is something about the mandate that truckers get vaccinated that's particularly interesting on a lot of levels.
[00:09:06]  Like because here you have a group of people who like even forget all of the arguments we've made against the vaccine mandates and how stupid they all are.
[00:09:20]  Even if you thought they made sense, they certainly don't really make sense in this example.
[00:09:25]  And then you're messing with people who are of vital importance to the entire system who are kind of working a thankless job that where the money ain't that great.
[00:09:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:09:36]  It's just an interesting group of people to be prodding and messing with.
[00:09:40]  And when you see them start to snap back, you're like, ooh, there's something interesting there.
[00:09:46]  It's also interesting that he's even firstly, like we've said with the vital importance, there's supply line issues right now.
[00:09:52]  So I'm surprised that Biden wants to play with fire like this.
[00:09:55]  And it's also after both of his mandates were deemed illegal, including the mandate that he did for federal employees.
[00:10:02]  And then there was the mandate that went all the way to the Supreme Court, which was the OSHA mandate.
[00:10:06]  That got so I don't know why he's trying new mandates.
[00:10:09]  Well, also, I believe these were Canadian truckers for the most part.
[00:10:13]  And Trudeau has straight up mandated that they have to get the vaccine.
[00:10:17]  So it's not just a matter of buttons, but your point still holds to Biden mandating that truck drivers coming in and out of the country have to have it.
[00:10:24]  It makes no sense.
[00:10:25]  And then also, I mean, because the airline thing didn't work out.
[00:10:30]  They pretended like certain airlines were having bad weather that wasn't affecting other airlines.
[00:10:37]  And that for some reason, while every other airline was able to get their planes across the country, it was like the Truman show where rain was just coming down on Southwest Airline planes.
[00:10:47]  Every other plane was fine.
[00:10:48]  Do you remember?
[00:10:49]  Like, I mean, the reporting on that was fucking.
[00:10:51]  Oh, yes, I remember, I remember hearing news reports where they said they were having cancellations due to COVID-related issues.
[00:11:00]  Like as if they want to leave it ambiguous in your mind, like it's like, oh, maybe a bunch of people got COVID and couldn't come in and that's why they're having the shortages.
[00:11:08]  You're like, no, no.
[00:11:09]  I'm going to be honest.
[00:11:10]  I'm still not clear on this one.
[00:11:12]  It seemed as though the pilot said, you can go fuck yourselves.
[00:11:16]  And the pilots, after just two days of not working, the airlines were like, well, this isn't going to work.
[00:11:21]  And so they just, that went away.
[00:11:24]  Well, and listen, oftentimes this is our greatest protection against government overreach in general is when it's just not feasible.
[00:11:36]  You know, like there was certainly enough political will for us to have had a war with Iran by now.
[00:11:43]  It just was such a logistical nightmare that it never happened.
[00:11:49]  There were a whole bunch of really powerful people who wanted to, but there were just too many people in the military who were like, Well, listen, here's the X's and O's of the thing.
[00:11:56]  Like, if we try to invade, we're going to be looking at like American military losses somewhere between 50 to 150,000, you know, like crazy high numbers.
[00:12:07]  And they're like, All right, well, I guess this just isn't going to happen.
[00:12:10]  And this happens a lot with government, you know, like, don't think that they wouldn't want to have a vaccine requirement for flying already.
[00:12:20]  Of course, there's political will to do that.
[00:12:22]  It's just like logistically, how's this going to work?
[00:12:26]  You're going to tank every single airline.
[00:12:30]  That can't be good.
[00:12:32]  And you see this happen a lot, dude.
[00:12:34]  This is this is behind a lot of the shit.
[00:12:35]  This is behind, like, you know, when Fauci came out and finally admitted that like the hospitalization numbers are bullshit.
[00:12:43]  Well, like, why are they doing that?
[00:12:45]  And I think what's it's pretty obvious that the reason they're doing this now rather than this whole time is that it behooved them this whole time, especially when Trump was in, but even like early in the Biden administration, to be like, Well, look how bad these hospital numbers are.
[00:13:02]  See, look, it's so horrible.
[00:13:03]  This thing is so horrible.
[00:13:04]  You have to give all of your power to us.
[00:13:06]  But then the Omicron comes out, and now Biden's been in for over a year.
[00:13:11]  They've got their vaccine mandates going in all of these different areas.
[00:13:14]  And now they realize Omicron is so contagious.
[00:13:18]  They're looking at the numbers and they're going, oh man, dude, the amount of people who are going to be the bullshit numbers in the hospital, you know, like the people like me, if I had broken my arm last week, right?
[00:13:31]  I'd be counted as a COVID hospitalization.
[00:13:34]  But so if you're just testing everyone in the hospital now with Omicron, oh, dude, you're going to be getting way, way elevated numbers.
[00:13:41]  And they realize this is not going to bode well for us now.
[00:13:45]  We got midterm elections coming up next year.
[00:13:47]  We've got our guy Biden in there.
[00:13:49]  We've been listening to the experts for a year now.
[00:13:52]  All of a sudden, this isn't in our political interest to have crazy high inflated hospitalization numbers.
[00:13:57]  So now we come out and tell you the thing that guys like me and you have been telling you for over a year already.
[00:14:03]  But it's always, you know, it's like, it's just, it's interesting when you find out like that's almost your ultimate hope that somehow fate and circumstances can jujitsu these motherfuckers into backing down off the worst things they want to do.
[00:14:18]  So, so what did you think?
[00:14:19]  Did you see some of the videos of the truckers?
[00:14:22]  Oh, every trucker video I've seen, I just love it.
[00:14:24]  I want to, I'd love to figure out how I could get to Canada and perform for these people.
[00:14:27]  It's just so cool.
[00:14:28]  Like those, it's awesome, man.
[00:14:30]  Yeah, I know.
[00:14:31]  Well, it's not that easy to get in these days, but especially for our kind, for second-class citizens like that.
[00:14:38]  They're supporting them too.
[00:14:39]  They're on the side of the road.
[00:14:40]  They're cheering them on.
[00:14:41]  I love it.
[00:14:42]  Well, it's interesting.
[00:14:43]  And I saw Trudeau said something really crazy about it.
[00:14:48]  He said, you know, he referred to them as a, you know, a fringe element that doesn't represent true Canadians or something like that.
[00:14:58]  And it's funny because, you know, you don't see like, yeah, I mean, right, like they don't like to show too many of the pictures and the videos.
[00:15:06]  When you look at it, it's like, look, fringe or not.
[00:15:09]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:15:10]  I always find this kind of interesting.
[00:15:12]  You know, like people.
[00:15:13]  Well, they always try and pretend like you're crazy and then no one shares your point of view.
[00:15:17]  I've had other dude.
[00:15:19]  It's fun.
[00:15:20]  I've had other libertarians who don't like me call me and the Mises caucus fringe.
[00:15:25]  And I'm like, what is that?
[00:15:27]  What type of libertarian says that?
[00:15:30]  You're using that as a pejorative fringe?
[00:15:33]  Like, okay, I guess.
[00:15:35]  Like, aren't we all?
[00:15:37]  What does this even mean?
[00:15:39]  And then it'll be someone who's like, I'm like, I have way more people behind me than that person has.
[00:15:44]  Like, how do you get to call me fringe?
[00:15:46]  You know, so like, what does this mean?
[00:15:47]  It's a very weird kind of, it's this, it's a very interesting like social psychology play, you know, to be like, oh, that's just fringe.
[00:15:55]  You don't want to be one of those losers, like really like high school level shit.
[00:16:00]  But it's like, I don't know.
[00:16:01]  I'm seeing the pictures.
[00:16:02]  I mean, maybe it is fringe.
[00:16:03]  I don't know what percentage of Canadians agree with them or not, but it's a lot of them, dude.
[00:16:07]  There's a lot of them.
[00:16:09]  It's like fucking the thing went on for fucking like ever.
[00:16:15]  And just judging off the pictures I looked at, but it's like it was an insane amount of trucks up there, an insane amount of people along with them.
[00:16:23]  I don't know how fringe that is.
[00:16:24]  You know, it's like, what is what does fringe mean?
[00:16:26]  I mean, even if they go like, even if in America, they're like, oh, whatever, it's somewhere between 70 to 80% of adults have been, you know, double vaccinated.
[00:16:37]  And you're like, okay.
[00:16:38]  So is that fringe?
[00:16:41]  Is the other 20 to 30 percent of adults in the country?
[00:16:47]  Is that fringe?
[00:16:48]  And then as me and you have pointed out before, you know, like add in all of the people who really didn't want to do it, but did it, the people who did it and then have gotten COVID since and are furious and feel betrayed and all that shit, you know, and you're probably looking at like 40% of the country.
[00:17:03]  Is that fringe?
[00:17:04]  Is that a fringe group that represents like, I don't know, 80 million Americans or something like that?
[00:17:13]  Like it's just, it's very interesting.
[00:17:14]  It's like, you know, I look around and it's, I understand why the COVID regime wants you to think that this is a fringe, you know, little element.
[00:17:23]  But I look around, I see, you know, I see Joe Rogan, the biggest dude in media, in media, just relentlessly, you know, like pointing out the bullshit in the official narrative.
[00:17:37]  You see Tucker Carlson, the biggest guy in cable news, relentlessly talking about it.
[00:17:42]  Tim Poole, another huge guy, relentlessly.
[00:17:44]  Jimmy Dore, a leftist with a huge platform, constantly pointing it out.
[00:17:48]  I saw Barry Weiss and Bill Maher the other day, just like ripping this whole thing apart.
[00:17:52]  I see Elon Musk up there.
[00:17:54]  Elon Musk is like fucking, I think he had like 40.
[00:17:58]  How many Twitter followers does Elon Musk have?
[00:17:59]  It's insane.
[00:18:01]  It's just an enormous following.
[00:18:03]  He's ripping this shit apart.
[00:18:05]  So I don't know.
[00:18:06]  I just start to ask myself, like, how fringe is this?

=== Challenging the Narrative (17:36) ===

[00:18:09]  Really?
[00:18:10]  Because that, that to me doesn't feel fringe.
[00:18:14]  Fringe to me, it would be like something like, I don't know, like the fucking like seventh day, seventh day Adventists or something like that.
[00:18:26]  You know what I mean?
[00:18:27]  Like, oh, that's kind of a fringe group.
[00:18:29]  Not too many people belong to it.
[00:18:30]  I don't know.
[00:18:31]  I don't even know if I'm using it appropriately for them.
[00:18:33]  Honestly, I have no idea what their numbers are.
[00:18:34]  Bad example, but let's go.
[00:18:36]  I'm going to find out there's 100 million of them.
[00:18:38]  Turns out.
[00:18:39]  But you know what I'm saying?
[00:18:40]  Like, I just, I think a fringe is like something that wouldn't have all of the people I just named behind it.
[00:18:46]  And whatever, even if it is fringe, okay, fine.
[00:18:49]  But look, there's a whole lot of people who feel this way.
[00:18:52]  And I choose to be encouraged by all of that.
[00:18:58]  I think there's something like kind of big bubbling up right now.
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[00:20:50]  The shit going on with Rogan is really encouraging.
[00:20:56]  There's something beautiful about that.
[00:20:58]  Like they really have decided that they want to make an example out of this guy, Joe Rogan.
[00:21:06]  But they are fucking with the wrong dude.
[00:21:10]  They're just really fucking with the wrong guy.
[00:21:14]  Like he's just, it's like, we're going to make an example out of him and ruin him, but you can't.
[00:21:21]  You can't.
[00:21:22]  He just gets bigger and bigger.
[00:21:23]  He's uncancelable.
[00:21:25]  You can't get him.
[00:21:27]  Neil Young.
[00:21:28]  I don't think it's just make an example.
[00:21:31]  I think they're really trying to control the narrative.
[00:21:33]  And he's got the largest audience.
[00:21:35]  And he's kind of like the one choke point that's kind of leaking water, if you will.
[00:21:40]  It's like they've kind of got everything else on lock.
[00:21:42]  And then you've got the one guy who actually has a larger audience than probably all the news stations combined over the course of a week or something.
[00:21:50]  Like, I mean, his numbers dwarfs them.
[00:21:52]  Yes.
[00:21:52]  Yes.
[00:21:52]  And so like, I mean, like 11 times bigger than the biggest show on CNN.
[00:21:56]  So like the narrative just isn't contained.
[00:21:58]  It's like, think about how much resources they put into only having one story put out.
[00:22:03]  And Rogan's existence just undermines all of that.
[00:22:06]  And he undermines them in a few different ways.
[00:22:11]  And there's something really interesting about it, right?
[00:22:15]  It's like, it's number one, his audience is ginormous.
[00:22:21]  Number two, he's got their trust in a way that most corporate news outlets could only dream of.
[00:22:29]  And I don't mean like trust in the sense that like, if Rogan says something, they just trust it as fact exactly.
[00:22:37]  But he has their trust that they know he's not lying to them.
[00:22:41]  And that's primarily because he's not lying to them.
[00:22:45]  That's really the main issue.
[00:22:48]  You know, you feel however you feel about Rogan.
[00:22:50]  And like, I love him and he's, he's a friend and he's been nothing but great to me.
[00:22:55]  And I, I fucking have, I've had, I have nothing but positive things to say about Joe Rogan.
[00:23:01]  I've hung out with Joe Rogan a fair amount.
[00:23:03]  And I'll tell you, he is off camera the exact same dude that he is on camera.
[00:23:08]  Like for those people who like listen to Rogan constantly and they're like, I kind of feel like I know him, you do.
[00:23:13]  You do know him.
[00:23:14]  Or he's just the greatest actor ever.
[00:23:16]  But I'm telling you, like I've hung out with him a lot.
[00:23:18]  He is that dude.
[00:23:19]  He is completely authentic and real.
[00:23:22]  And that's one of the reasons why people love him so much, because they can tell he's not lying to them and he's on a search for truth with them.
[00:23:32]  That doesn't mean he's right about everything.
[00:23:34]  Obviously, like there are things I disagree with him on, but there's something about that.
[00:23:41]  Whereas like people can smell that CNN is lying to them.
[00:23:44]  People can smell that MSNBC is lying to them.
[00:23:46]  People can smell that Fox News is lying to them.
[00:23:48]  There's just something about that.
[00:23:50]  Like you just, you can smell it.
[00:23:52]  And then again, where it's like the biggest show on Fox News, Tucker Carlson, he's the one guy who's not really lying to his audience.
[00:23:58]  Again, he's wrong about some shit, but he's not really lying to them.
[00:24:02]  And there's something, so there's something powerful that Rogan has, this connection with his audience.
[00:24:08]  On top of that, he's got real fuck you money, which is a real thing.
[00:24:14]  He's not, he's not beholden to anybody at this point.
[00:24:17]  He doesn't have money like, it's not money like, oh, I'm making a few million dollars a year, where you can still kind of manipulate people like that.
[00:24:26]  Because a lot of people, you know, if people, say someone, someone making like 2 million bucks a year, right?
[00:24:33]  Now, to the average person, that sounds like just bananas.
[00:24:38]  Oh my God, you're making 2 million bucks a year.
[00:24:40]  Like you're fucking loaded.
[00:24:42]  This is like, you're fine.
[00:24:43]  You're above, you know, being influenced by anyone.
[00:24:46]  But they might be living a real nice lifestyle.
[00:24:49]  And if you can make all that money dry up, they're like, oh, I only got like a couple of years more of this lifestyle in me.
[00:24:55]  And then I got to really humble down.
[00:24:57]  And once you're used to living a real nice lifestyle, that could be kind of rough.
[00:25:01]  You don't want to do that.
[00:25:02]  So you could kind of still get that person.
[00:25:04]  But when you got like money, money, like more money than you'll ever be able to spend type money, like your kids are set, your grandkids are set, their grandkids are set money.
[00:25:14]  It's like you've lost the control over that person.
[00:25:18]  There's no, he can just, he's somebody who cares enough about the truth.
[00:25:21]  That's been obvious.
[00:25:22]  And he's just going to keep telling it.
[00:25:24]  On top of that, he's demonstrated to them that he will not back down from the pressure.
[00:25:30]  They can send all of their guns after him.
[00:25:33]  And he's just, and part of that is who he is.
[00:25:36]  He's a fucking, like, he's a black belt in multiple different martial arts disciplines.
[00:25:41]  He has this kind of confidence of like, no, fuck you.
[00:25:44]  I'm not like, I'm not going to bitch out to you on this.
[00:25:47]  And then on top of that, and I think this is a really big one.
[00:25:52]  Joe Rogan took their ultimate weapon in this new war, which is the cancellation, the deplatforming, and did it to himself and became bigger.
[00:26:07]  And this really is, correct me if I'm wrong, and there's someone I'm not thinking about, unprecedented in today's landscape.
[00:26:16]  I don't think there's anybody else who said, no, I'm going to take myself off YouTube and just go to Spotify and became big.
[00:26:26]  It was all, and I would have assumed the same, this too, but everyone pretty much assumed like, oh, okay.
[00:26:32]  So Rogan made the trade that he'll make a ton of money and have a smaller audience.
[00:26:39]  Probably still a good audience, like a really good audience, but it won't be what it was when he was on YouTube.
[00:26:45]  And he's bigger.
[00:26:47]  He's become bigger than he was on YouTube.
[00:26:49]  This is a game changer in a lot of ways.
[00:26:53]  Like the reason why people get censored on like social media sites is because it works.
[00:27:01]  Okay.
[00:27:03]  However you feel about people, this look, Milo Yiannopoulos is no longer in the national conversation.
[00:27:11]  He's been removed.
[00:27:12]  He was once in it.
[00:27:14]  He's not anymore.
[00:27:15]  That's not to say no one listens to him, but it's not what it was.
[00:27:19]  Gavin McGinnis has been removed from that.
[00:27:22]  You know, Owen Benjamin has been removed from that.
[00:27:25]  You know, there's lots of examples of people like this who have literally just been like removed.
[00:27:31]  It's never really happened, I don't think, the way Rogan's done it before.
[00:27:37]  So he's this perfect cocktail of like Everything that fucking drives the corporate press crazy.
[00:27:46]  He's challenging their narrative.
[00:27:47]  He doesn't give a fuck.
[00:27:48]  He's got a bigger audience.
[00:27:49]  They trust him.
[00:27:50]  He canceled himself.
[00:27:52]  And now he's in this position where he's so big to Spotify.
[00:27:57]  They paid him so much money.
[00:27:58]  He's the biggest thing they have that, like, well, what are they going to do?
[00:28:04]  What are they going to do?
[00:28:05]  Kick the biggest thing they have off?
[00:28:07]  I mean, okay.
[00:28:09]  And then he just keeps all that money and kind of has a lot of options.
[00:28:12]  At this point, he's already proven he can go somewhere else and bring his audience with him.
[00:28:17]  So he's, he's in this position that's really kind of incredible.
[00:28:21]  And fucking Neil Young's going to come around like, well, it's either my music or his.
[00:28:25]  And Spotify's like, all right, well, it's his podcast.
[00:28:28]  Talk about how fucking lame of Neil Young Woodstock albums with the title Freedom on it.
[00:28:34]  And now he's pro-government censorship.
[00:28:37]  Unbelievable how history can turn people you didn't like cool.
[00:28:41]  I mean, he liked uncool.
[00:28:42]  Yeah, it's, it's, um, it's one of the most like to me personally, all right?
[00:28:48]  Not in the greater scheme of things, but one of personally, like personally tragic to me about like kind of the rise of wokeism and particularly with the COVID, you know, hysteria.
[00:29:01]  And it's like people that like, you just thought were awesome, you know, like having that like something very disillusioning about all of it.
[00:29:10]  Like it's just like, oh, you really fuck.
[00:29:13]  You have to take like all my favorite comedians and fucking actors and fucking like musicians and make me just look at them like you're a little bitch.
[00:29:21]  I got to listen to Howard Stern complaining about how he's scared to leave his house and he just wants everyone to follow Harry Clinton.
[00:29:30]  Yes.
[00:29:30]  He just wants everyone to follow the government's rules.
[00:29:33]  Like Howard Stern?
[00:29:35]  Are you?
[00:29:36]  It really makes you feel like you're in like some simulation where you're like, this is all a joke on me, right?
[00:29:40]  Like this is all, you guys are all fucking with me, right?
[00:29:42]  There's no way Howard Stern is up there like, I see rule breakers.
[00:29:47]  I'm going to have to go get you.
[00:29:49]  Just this young man.
[00:29:51]  Like Howard Stern?
[00:29:53]  That's the same thing.
[00:29:54]  Neil Young.
[00:29:55]  Listen, dude, I fucking, I really like a lot of Neil Young's music.
[00:29:58]  It made me so sad when I went to spoof his songs.
[00:30:01]  When I went to Spoof's Songs, I was re-listening to them.
[00:30:04]  It made me sad.
[00:30:04]  I was like, shit, I really like these songs.
[00:30:07]  Dude, I mean, I'm talking about like, like, I played Neil Young's songs with my kids.
[00:30:12]  Like, I fucking love his music.
[00:30:14]  I think he's had some great music.
[00:30:15]  But, you know, fuck him.
[00:30:16]  I'm a Leonard Skynerd guy now.
[00:30:19]  Fucking come after Rogan like that.
[00:30:21]  I was, I mean, I always liked Skinner, but still made me sad.
[00:30:25]  Well, I hope Neil Young do remember that Joe Rogan don't need him on Spotify anyhow.
[00:30:31]  Yeah, fuck you.
[00:30:32]  So, uh, but here's the problem with the Neil Young thing is if it's just Neil Young, it's not much of a financial decision for Spotify.
[00:30:40]  If you had 15 major artists saying the same thing, all of a sudden, you know, Spotify's got to make a real decision.
[00:30:48]  As a theoretical, if they got a call from Kanye West, who's the thin one?
[00:30:55]  The thin lady with the red hair or whatever.
[00:30:58]  I think she's the biggest on Spotify.
[00:31:00]  The country lady, who then, I don't know.
[00:31:02]  Taylor Swift?
[00:31:03]  Taylor Swift.
[00:31:04]  Thank you.
[00:31:04]  I don't know these people.
[00:31:04]  Does she have red hair?
[00:31:06]  She had blonde hair.
[00:31:06]  Whatever.
[00:31:09]  Like the Rolling Stones.
[00:31:10]  Like, if you had 10, like the Beatles, if you had 10 artists of that caliber call up Spotify, they'd have to make a series of stuff.
[00:31:16]  No, you're right.
[00:31:17]  And like, maybe they will be able at some point to like fucking put enough pressure.
[00:31:21]  But like I said, Rogan's already proven that he can move to another platform and kind of bring his audience with him.
[00:31:26]  Ooh, who wants to make this money now?
[00:31:28]  I bet someone does, you know?
[00:31:30]  And, you know, one of the things, I mentioned this when I was on Tim Poole's show, And it applies to Tim Poole, probably and it applies more to Rogan than anyone else.
[00:31:41]  But one of the things that you kind of wonder, and this is something that I find to be like encouraging, is you go, okay, so let's say they find a way to take out Tim Pool or Joe or Rogan or like someone like that.
[00:31:56]  It's like, okay.
[00:31:58]  I mean, like, however, they do it, let's say they just do it the good old-fashioned way.
[00:32:02]  Like, they fucking come kill him, you know, God forbid, you know, very much hope that doesn't happen.
[00:32:07]  Um, but let's just say they really take him out, like, just for their own, you know, like the fucking like some, you know, deep state cabal of you know, corporate interests and government agencies or whatever.
[00:32:19]  What do you do with his listeners?
[00:32:24]  You know, what do you do with the 11 million people who listen to every fucking podcast he puts out?
[00:32:31]  Like, do you think they're going back to Brian Stelter after that?
[00:32:35]  Do you think they're just like, oh, okay, he's gone?
[00:32:37]  I guess we'll just go listen to this guy.
[00:32:39]  It's like, these people are, this is the nature of the red pill.
[00:32:43]  Like, these people are out of the matrix.
[00:32:46]  They're not in it anymore.
[00:32:48]  You can't convince them that it's real because they've already seen that it's not.
[00:32:52]  Like, that's kind of, they've already literally come out of the pod and seen that everybody else is in pods.
[00:32:57]  You can't convince them that that's not real.
[00:33:01]  Like, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
[00:33:03]  That's why, you know, you get the choice of the red pill or the blue.
[00:33:06]  But once you take it, there's no like, there's no going back.
[00:33:09]  Or I guess that one guy goes back.
[00:33:11]  He makes a deal with the machines.
[00:33:12]  But in general, it's very rare.
[00:33:15]  But anyway, so that it's, it's very interesting to see how this is all playing out.
[00:33:20]  And it's really fucking fascinating to see them to just see how much it bothers them.
[00:33:26]  You know, these people coming out, there's the surgeon general came out and said something.
[00:33:30]  A whole bunch of people on cable news just going nuts about Rogan.
[00:33:35]  And they really, oh, the misinformation that he's spreading, which is, you know, if you're aware at all of what's going on with all this shit, like just anyone who listens to this show, like, do I even really need, like, do I even need to say the next part?
[00:33:50]  Like the idea that they have the nerve to accuse someone else of misinformation on COVID.
[00:33:58]  It's like, oh, this misinformation could have devastating effects.
[00:34:01]  Go, yeah, could it ruin the country?
[00:34:05]  Could his misinformation destroy the lives of tens of millions of people?
[00:34:10]  Because I can think of some misinformation that led to that.
[00:34:14]  It wasn't on the Joe Rogan experience.
[00:34:17]  I got a laugh out of CNN, who was very upset over the Jordan Peterson white, black.
[00:34:23]  I didn't even really follow the conversation.
[00:34:25]  It was so stupid.
[00:34:26]  It was so, dude.
[00:34:27]  This is the other thing they do: it's so petty and they so rely on the fact that people just aren't listening to the interview and aren't thinking with any level of depth.
[00:34:36]  And they will literally just go, you're supposed to be outraged.
[00:34:38]  And they'll go, well, then I'm outraged.
[00:34:40]  But yeah, do you know what the comment was?
[00:34:43]  You got to educate me here.
[00:34:44]  So the comment was, it was literally like a completely like, like light, off-the-cuff thing where they were basically just saying, like, it doesn't really make sense that we use the words white and black because really white people are like tan and black people are like brown, but tan and brown, I guess, just isn't like different enough.
[00:35:06]  And then Rogan, at one point, he goes, yeah, I mean, unless you're from like the darkest part of Africa, like you're not really black.
[00:35:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:35:14]  Like, you look at most black people.
[00:35:15]  They don't look black to me.
[00:35:16]  And I was like, that was like the comment.
[00:35:19]  And then they isolate one part of it.
[00:35:21]  And they're like, Rogan says the most dark part of Africa, or you're not black to me, or something like that.
[00:35:26]  And you're like, dude, there's nothing here.
[00:35:29]  There's, there's so nothing to be outraged about.
[00:35:32]  They literally just made a comment that all of us have like observed at one point in our life and thought about that it's like, and the spirit of it wasn't nasty or anything like that.
[00:35:42]  It's like, those are just so fucking stupid.

=== Cherry-Picked Quotes (03:21) ===

[00:35:45]  I love though.
[00:35:46]  So in the CNN article, like at the bottom, just like, you know, really show their power, they go, and Rogan refused to comment after we reached out to him.
[00:35:55]  And it's like, well, Rogan's 11 times the size of you.
[00:35:59]  You should be responding to comments to him when he says something about CNN and reaches out to you.
[00:36:04]  Do you guys answer the phone to clarify your position?
[00:36:07]  Like you sent Gupta on, that didn't go too well.
[00:36:09]  Like it's.
[00:36:11]  And it's a, you, you guys have fucking slandered this dude.
[00:36:15]  Yeah.
[00:36:15]  Like you literally took pictures of him and changed the color to make him look sicker.
[00:36:21]  You claimed he was taking horse medicine, you fucking disgusting liars.
[00:36:26]  But of course he doesn't comment to you.
[00:36:29]  Did I ever tell you that story about, I bet I've mentioned it before, but when the New York Times, it was right when Rand Paul was really blown up and the New York Times went to the Mises Institute to go do interviews with like everybody.
[00:36:43]  And they came up to Lou Rockwell, you know, who's the founder and the chairman of the Mises Institute.
[00:36:49]  And they were like, oh, we're from the New York Times.
[00:36:51]  Can we sit down and have an interview with you?
[00:36:53]  And he was like, I'm going to ask you to leave my property right now.
[00:36:55]  And they're like, oh, we just wanted to have an interview with me.
[00:36:58]  And he goes, you're with the regime.
[00:37:00]  Please leave.
[00:37:01]  And that's it.
[00:37:02]  It's like, because that's how you handle that shit.
[00:37:04]  Like, you know, it's like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that you're here to have an honest interview with me.
[00:37:10]  It's like, oh, you're going to put this interview out unedited in your paper.
[00:37:14]  Oh, no, you're not.
[00:37:15]  You're going to sit here and talk to me for an hour and a half and try to get two lines that out of context, cherry-picked, you know, given the least charitable interpretation can make me look bad.
[00:37:26]  So the fuck should I play that game with you?
[00:37:29]  Like, who's trying?
[00:37:30]  And then in the case of Rogan, it's like, yeah, he's way bigger than you.
[00:37:33]  So, and that's the crazy thing where like this doesn't really work.
[00:37:37]  And I've had this happen in my experience, obviously on a much smaller level than Rogan and CNN, but I've had like very small like libertarian leaning podcasts that like hate me, but they're tiny and they have like no audience.
[00:37:53]  And they'll do this to me.
[00:37:54]  They'll cherry pick statements, you know, take it out of context, give it the least charitable interpretation, and then be like, oh, look, he said this horrible thing.
[00:38:05]  But the reason it doesn't work is because my audience is like, you know, 100 times bigger than theirs.
[00:38:11]  So it doesn't work if that's the case.
[00:38:13]  This only works.
[00:38:14]  This works if, say, the fucking the, you know, CNN does it to some tiny show with no audience, because then way more people see the cherry-picked out of context quotes that you made than who actually saw it in context, right?
[00:38:34]  So it's like, oh, you end up poisoning the well against them because now all of these people think you're so fucked up or whatever.
[00:38:40]  But they're trying to do this to Rogan, who is, you know, 11 times bigger than their biggest show, perhaps 25 times bigger than some show on CNN.
[00:38:53]  So what are you doing?
[00:38:54]  You're trying to take the, you're trying to make him look bad.
[00:38:57]  Like way more people heard the real version of this.
[00:39:00]  There's no like, this isn't, this isn't going to work.
[00:39:03]  So it's, anyways, just, it's fucking fascinating to watch all of that shit.

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[00:40:01]  Okay, let's talk about this article that I thought was really interesting.
[00:40:10]  Grabbed my speaking of the speaking of the COVID regime and how they're handling this stuff.
[00:40:17]  So I saw Time magazine or the Time website, time.com.
[00:40:23]  This grabbed my eye.
[00:40:26]  And I thought, right away, I thought I kind of knew what I thought about this.
[00:40:29]  And I was like, let me read it to make sure.
[00:40:31]  And it's like, yep, sure enough, that's basically what it was.
[00:40:34]  But I thought this would be interesting.
[00:40:35]  I wanted to talk about this with you.
[00:40:37]  So there was a piece that was put out, I believe, today.
[00:40:43]  What is what's, oh, no, I'm sorry.
[00:40:45]  This was last week.
[00:40:46]  But that's okay.
[00:40:47]  Still new enough.
[00:40:48]  We could talk about it.
[00:40:50]  Okay.
[00:40:51]  The piece is titled, it's on time.com.
[00:40:55]  It's in the health COVID-19 section.
[00:40:58]  And it's titled, I'm Vaccinated, Boosted, and Had COVID.
[00:41:03]  Can I go back to normal now?
[00:41:07]  Which already, isn't it just like a wonderful question?
[00:41:10]  Like, is it just great to go like, I've done everything.
[00:41:14]  Can I please live life?
[00:41:17]  I'm vaccinated, boosted, and had COVID.
[00:41:21]  Can I do stuff, please?
[00:41:23]  And it's like, no, no, not yet.
[00:41:27]  Well, anyway, that's not exactly the answer.
[00:41:29]  So this is some section they have about like COVID questions.
[00:41:33]  Here, we give you the experts answers.
[00:41:35]  Experts, right?
[00:41:36]  Okay, so here it is.
[00:41:38]  Today, AB asks, I'm fully vaccinated, boosted, and have recently recovered from a breakthrough infection.
[00:41:45]  Can I go back to normal now?
[00:41:49]  And here's their answer.
[00:41:50]  There are certain pathogens.
[00:41:52]  That's like some fucking dork going to the teacher, like, hey, can I go out with the rest of the class for recess?
[00:41:57]  I've already done all the extra credits.
[00:41:59]  Like, yeah, go fucking outside.
[00:42:00]  I didn't tell you.
[00:42:01]  You don't have to do more homework.
[00:42:02]  You could literally be like the rest of us and just live your fucking life and not ask Time magazine whether you have permission from the experts to do that.
[00:42:10]  I mean, there's no trophy coming your way for being the biggest bitch.
[00:42:14]  It's not happening.
[00:42:15]  No one's going to celebrate.
[00:42:16]  Oh, you really complied.
[00:42:18]  You really were more afraid than anyone.
[00:42:20]  Good for you.
[00:42:21]  Yeah, really.
[00:42:22]  Okay.
[00:42:23]  So here's the response.
[00:42:26]  Okay.
[00:42:26]  There are certain pathogens that the human immune system learns to block forever after a single encounter.
[00:42:34]  But others, like coronaviruses that cause the common cold, can sicken a person year after year.
[00:42:40]  Unfortunately, the virus that causes COVID-19 is, like other coronaviruses, able to infect the same person multiple times.
[00:42:47]  The body gets better at fighting it after each exposure or vaccine dose, meaning future brushes with the virus will likely be milder, but there doesn't seem to be a point at which the risk of infection completely.
[00:43:00]  This is like telling a schizophrenic person that sometimes the voices in their head become the smart voices.
[00:43:07]  And so you don't want to like, you're dealing with a mentally even though person here.
[00:43:11]  Even though not technically wrong, you know what I mean?
[00:43:15]  It's like, it's like literally telling us that's a great example.
[00:43:18]  It's like literally telling a schizophrenic voice.
[00:43:20]  I mean, like, theoretically, it could be good advice that they're giving you.
[00:43:24]  You know what I mean?
[00:43:25]  Like, you know, like, well, you know, I was prescribed this medication.
[00:43:29]  Should I take it?
[00:43:30]  You go, that doesn't always work.
[00:43:32]  I'd listen to what those people got to say.
[00:43:35]  You know, like, anyway.
[00:43:38]  So now there's quote: There's probably always a level of exposure to the virus that could overcome the level of immunity you have, says Dr. Rachel Presti in infectious disease research at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.
[00:43:54]  That's especially true if you're elderly or have underlying medical conditions or are immunocompromised.
[00:44:00]  Even with those caveats, there's a lot of good news for fully vaccinated and boosted people who have recovered from a recent COVID-19 infection.
[00:44:11]  It's got to be recent.
[00:44:12]  So, like, you can leave now.
[00:44:13]  Leave the house now because you're good for a couple of weeks, but then you better get back inside.
[00:44:18]  Can I tell you what I thought the thing that jumped out to me?
[00:44:21]  Or there are a couple of things, I guess, the person asking permission and all of this.
[00:44:23]  But what jumped out to me at first is a thing that I think maybe you'd be thinking of as well.
[00:44:29]  Is that one of the things that we've talked about for a very long time, one of the things that a lot of skeptics of the COVID regime have brought up for a very long time is that something that was noticeably absent from the conversation forever that started to trickle in now because they kind of just couldn't fight that everyone was asking about this.
[00:44:49]  But one of the things that was noticeably absent from the conversation for a very long time was natural immunity.
[00:44:56]  And they really don't like to talk about natural immunity.
[00:44:59]  I mean, think about how much time in the corporate press is spent talking about the vaccines versus natural immunity.
[00:45:05]  Just think about that for a second.
[00:45:07]  Which one do you hear about more?
[00:45:11]  Let's say the vaccines by maybe what, 100 to one, 1,000 to one?
[00:45:16]  I don't know, somewhere in that ballpark.
[00:45:18]  Even though there is a ton of major studies that indicate that natural immunity is way stronger.
[00:45:25]  Like, I'm sorry, I am right now way more protected against COVID than anybody who's double vaxxed and boostered.
[00:45:34]  I don't care if they've had their fourth shot.
[00:45:35]  Maybe they're an Israeli.
[00:45:37]  Okay.
[00:45:37]  Dude, the best science is that you're too dangerous to go into a restaurant.
[00:45:41]  Well, but that's my point, right?
[00:45:42]  So it's like, this is like, it's like, no, sorry, dude.
[00:45:45]  Like, that's just the real, that's the science of it.
[00:45:48]  Anyone can claim that's misinformation.
[00:45:50]  Bullshit.
[00:45:51]  I've literally had the Omicron and just had it.
[00:45:55]  So I'm good to go.
[00:45:57]  Like, I have the least to worry about, and at least until the next variant that comes out, maybe it'll be more contagious and milder than this one.
[00:46:04]  Anyway, so, but so what's interesting is that now when they talk about it, they're going to talk about there's a lot of good news for fully vaccinated and boosted people who have recovered from recent COVID-19 infections.
[00:46:20]  So they're kind of like saying, oh, there's good news for you, but instead of just dealing with the natural immunity of it, they're like, oh, if you're fully vaccinated and just got it.
[00:46:31]  It's like, well, if the fully vaccinated part was helpful, then you wouldn't have just got it.
[00:46:36]  So what are we talking about here?
[00:46:38]  You're basically just talking about natural immunity.
[00:46:40]  You're talking about people who got the vaccine, still got breakthrough infections, and now have the benefits of natural immunity.
[00:46:48]  That's what we're talking about in a very sneaky way.
[00:46:51]  Anyway, people in that category have several layers of defense against the virus.
[00:46:56]  And like, yeah, but which one's the best?
[00:46:59]  You want to mention that?
[00:47:00]  Anyway, and assuming you're generally healthy, experts say that leaves you with a grace period of at least three to six months, which you're unlikely to get sick again.
[00:47:12]  Non-committal here.
[00:47:13]  Yeah, right.
[00:47:15]  According to the latest federal analysis, which included data from the fall of 2021, a fully vaccinated and boosted person in the U.S. was 10 times less likely to test positive for COVID and 20 times less likely to die from it compared to an unvaccinated adult.
[00:47:39]  Now you're just confusing the feller.
[00:47:41]  The feller's like, listen, I got your vax.
[00:47:43]  I got your boost.
[00:47:44]  I got sick.
[00:47:45]  Give me a straight answer here.
[00:47:46]  And now you're telling them these old stats about how, hey, if you did all those things 10 and 20 times, if anything, I'm more scared now because your 10 and 20 times didn't even give me protection.
[00:47:56]  We're in uncharted territory.
[00:47:58]  Well, that's that's at risk.
[00:48:00]  I listened to you.
[00:48:01]  You told me to get the vax, get the boost 10 times better, and I just got sick.
[00:48:05]  Now I will say, and this is one of the things that's happened throughout this entire last couple of years is that a lot of people, and I must admit, I'm one of the people in this category, they hear numbers like this and they immediately go, bullshit.
[00:48:23]  Because every single time I've heard numbers like this and dig into it, it's always bullshit.
[00:48:31]  And of course, you've talked before about how, you know, they'd be counting the people who they couldn't determine as vaccinated, as they couldn't determine their vaccine status.
[00:48:41]  They'd count them as unvaccinated.
[00:48:42]  And he's like, okay, I just, I'm sorry, before I trust any of this, I'm going to really need to see details on that.
[00:48:47]  But they're claiming that people who were vaccinated and boosted were 10 times less likely to test positive.
[00:48:55]  Okay.
[00:48:56]  So that's one thing that they're claiming.
[00:48:58]  But here's another interesting sentence.
[00:49:01]  More recent data gathered during the Omicron surge in the UK confirms that fully vaccinated and boosted and boosted people remain significantly less likely to get infected and unvaccinated than unvaccinated people.
[00:49:21]  Hmm.
[00:49:23]  It's weird we don't get numbers on this one.
[00:49:26]  It's like you really threw out the 10 and 20 times and now you're like, it's still significant though.
[00:49:30]  It's like, so in other words, it's much, much less than that, which I don't really buy to begin with.
[00:49:36]  Okay.
[00:49:38]  Still, breakthrough infections happen.
[00:49:41]  Amongst boosted adults who experience them, cases tend to be mild.
[00:49:47]  Now, this is the game, right?
[00:49:51]  And this is the whole game right here.
[00:49:54]  Among boosted adults who experience them, cases tend to be mild.
[00:49:59]  They tend to.
[00:50:01]  That's true, by the way.
[00:50:03]  That's a true statement.
[00:50:05]  It's a true statement that amongst boosted adults who get the Omicron, cases tend to be mild.
[00:50:12]  The problem is that amongst unvaccinated adults who get Omicron, cases tend to be mild.
[00:50:20]  This tends to be mild.
[00:50:23]  So it's meaningless to say that.
[00:50:25]  It's like saying like, it's like when the CDC lady is like, well, yes, I mean, there are cases of people who are vaccinated who die from it, but they're all like very sick already.
[00:50:34]  They have a lot of comorbidities.
[00:50:36]  Like, right.
[00:50:37]  So in other words, it's COVID.
[00:50:41]  That's not unique to them.
[00:50:43]  And you're not really showing me like the real data and how you get it or any of that.
[00:50:47]  You should never try to catch COVID-19, but there is a silver lining to getting it.
[00:50:51]  The infection sparks an immune response that imparts an extra layer of safety.
[00:50:58]  So now it's an extra layer.
[00:51:00]  But it's not just an extra layer, right?
[00:51:03]  Or let me just ask, is it an extra layer or is it by far the best layer?
[00:51:10]  Because like there's a slight difference to that.
[00:51:13]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:51:14]  Like if you were to like wear a shirt, like a t-shirt and a winter jacket out into you know cold weather, I don't think you'd like describe the winter jacket as an extra layer of protection against the cold.
[00:51:28]  It's kind of the main layer, like the most important one.
[00:51:34]  Just saying, uh, the body mounts a wider ranging immune response when it encounters the actual virus as opposed to a vaccine, Pretzy says.
[00:51:44]  So if you had a breakthrough infection, you probably walked away from the hopefully mild experience with an even stronger and more robust immune profile than you had before you got.
[00:51:55]  Natural immunity is better than the vaccine.
[00:51:57]  Yeah.
[00:51:58]  So that's basically all I wanted to read from this.
[00:52:01]  But isn't this what I found so funny about this was just like, oh, so this someone should let the government policymakers know that if you've been infected, you have a more robust, that the natural immunity is actually better than the vaccine.
[00:52:14]  And so they shouldn't have discriminatory policies.
[00:52:16]  I mean, a government that's so for equality, you would think that if there was any science that suggests that they don't need to discriminate against individuals, they would act upon that almost immediately.
[00:52:25]  And in very simple terms, this was a lady from Time magazine who couldn't tell this scared individual anything in simple terms, but there was one thing that she was sure of, and that's that natural immunity is at least greater than the vaccine.
[00:52:37]  I feel like she should report that to governments that they can stop discriminating against people.
[00:52:41]  Well, isn't it funny though, that it's like, so this is how they'll deal with natural immunity?
[00:52:46]  They'll go like, oh, so guess what?
[00:52:48]  If you're vaccinated and boosted and then you get COVID, like, yeah, now you have this natural immunity too, which is really good.
[00:52:56]  Like, right.
[00:52:58]  Okay.
[00:52:59]  But what if you're not vaxed and you get COVID?
[00:53:03]  Then you also have this natural immunity, which is pretty great, right?
[00:53:07]  Like it's bizarre to watch them try to figure out how to deal with this kind of situation.
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=== Vaccine Benefit Debate (11:54) ===

[00:54:23]  I'm sure you've heard this, where people say like they get vaccinated.
[00:54:27]  And then now, this is almost like the big split, right?
[00:54:30]  And this is kind of what's happening now is that there's some people, there's definitely a lot of people who got vaccinated and then got COVID after it and feel kind of betrayed.
[00:54:39]  You could see that in Bill Maher was talking that way the other day.
[00:54:43]  And there is, I know people like this who are like, motherfucker, are you kidding me?
[00:54:47]  Like I was just talking to somebody.
[00:54:49]  And I think Jimmy Dore had a problem with the vaccine.
[00:54:52]  Yeah, he talked about that on Rogan and a bunch of other places that he had like side effects from it that were like sounded pretty bad.
[00:55:00]  And so, you know, I was just talking to someone recently, like an old friend who Was vaccinated, double vaccinated, and just got a booster a month and a half ago, and then got Omicron and was sick as and she was really pissed off, like really pissed off about it.
[00:55:26]  Like, she's like, What the fuck?
[00:55:28]  Because her thing was like, she goes, I got sick from the second dose of the vaccine for like three days.
[00:55:36]  I got sick for another two days from the booster, and then I still got sick as shit from the Omicron.
[00:55:43]  So, she's like sitting there just like, Yeah, I've been like completely ripped off.
[00:55:46]  And I was like, Yeah, it's one of the greatest frauds in modern history.
[00:55:49]  Like, yes, you did.
[00:55:51]  Um, that's what happened, you know.
[00:55:53]  And so, government's not God, there's no points for good behavior.
[00:55:56]  Yeah, well, that's a great line, um, you know, and so it's like there's a lot of people like that, but then there's other people who are just so have so internalized the narrative that they go, and you've probably heard this one before too, that they get it and they go, Oh man, I was really sick and I've been vaccinated.
[00:56:16]  I'd probably be dead if I wasn't vaccinated.
[00:56:19]  You know, they just like assume that it's like, Oh, yeah, well, it would have been so much worse, but I don't know.
[00:56:26]  I mean, I like again, this is anecdotal, this doesn't prove anything, but I'm just saying, like, like that doesn't make any sense.
[00:56:32]  I mean, like, I don't know, I was unvaccinated, I just got Omicron and I was fine.
[00:56:37]  I know a bunch of vaccinated people who got it who are way sicker than me.
[00:56:40]  So, this idea that you know it would have been worse if you hadn't gotten the vaccine, that's just not true.
[00:56:45]  It's not true, and there is something where I really almost feel bad for a lot of the people who were kind of tricked into this, where it's like after coming out of it, and you're in the same situation.
[00:56:56]  I mean, a little bit earlier than me, you had it, and you come out of it and you're like twice, dude.
[00:57:01]  Yeah, you're like, wow, I got better protection than you now, and I never got tricked into your whole bullshit.
[00:57:06]  Like, it's just a weird, it's a weird spot.
[00:57:10]  I'll get COVID three times.
[00:57:11]  I don't give a shit, dude.
[00:57:12]  I'm going for the record.
[00:57:13]  Gonna get a variant named after me.
[00:57:14]  Yeah, gonna have all the COVIDs.
[00:57:16]  Do you remember the part with Gupta on Rogan that was to me, I thought was the most interesting, even though it was fun for like watching him rip him for what CNN said and all of that.
[00:57:25]  But the most interesting thing, which Gupta initiated the conversation where he goes, So you're going to get vaccinated?
[00:57:30]  And Rogan was like, No, not now.
[00:57:32]  I just had it and I beat it.
[00:57:34]  And he was like, Well, why should I?
[00:57:35]  Don't I have great immunity to it now?
[00:57:37]  And he's like, Yeah, oh, you, you probably do.
[00:57:39]  You probably have very good immunity to it right now.
[00:57:42]  He goes, But maybe, you know, maybe you want an extra layer of protection.
[00:57:45]  And Rogan's like, I just had it.
[00:57:47]  I was sick for a day and now I have way better immunity than I had then.
[00:57:53]  And he's just left with no argument.
[00:57:55]  Like, there's no argument for why he should get it.
[00:57:58]  And you're like, wow, that really is something that's amazing.
[00:58:01]  The biggest thing that you guys are pushing, that you guys are pushing being backed by mandates, by the laws, by you're not allowed in restaurants, by you're going to get fired from your job, by all this shit.
[00:58:12]  You guys are backing this.
[00:58:13]  And you just came across someone who's unvaccinated, and you have no argument.
[00:58:19]  No argument, doctor, Mr. CNN doctor.
[00:58:22]  You have no argument for why he should.
[00:58:25]  That's, you know, and then they just sit there going like, well, extra layer of protection, you know, blah, blah.
[00:58:30]  And like, what it all comes down to, it's like, like, I wouldn't even have a problem if they wanted to like make the argument on what I think, like, just in an honest way.
[00:58:42]  You know, like, I'm, I am still, maybe you're not.
[00:58:45]  We may be a little bit different on this, but I'm still fairly open to the, like, accepting that it's like, you have a less, a less chance of like dying of COVID if you're vaccinated than unvaccinated.
[00:59:00]  Like, I, I'll, I'll accept that.
[00:59:02]  There seems to be some data that indicated that, certainly early on.
[00:59:06]  Well, can we let's add some qualifiers?
[00:59:09]  I guess within three to six months of having your most recent vaccine and probably with decreasing efficiency with each booster.
[00:59:17]  So like even the data to suggest that there is a window of protection, that window of protection probably wanes with each booster.
[00:59:27]  So whatever existed that was a ramp up, right, probably does not exist for the boosters and it probably does not exist for each variant.
[00:59:34]  There's even evidence right now, and you could go look at Alex Berenson's page, but like some of the most vaccinated countries in the world have some highest numbers right now, which would suggest that in some ways the vaccination has actually led to some sort of an autoimmune.
[00:59:51]  Look, looking at the numbers in Israel is very interesting.
[00:59:56]  Well, and then compare South Africa, where there was a lot of natural immunity to these other countries that had been vaccinated and how this last spike went.
[01:00:06]  I don't have perfect numbers on that.
[01:00:07]  I'm really just working off.
[01:00:09]  Israel, I know, I believe the numbers in Israel are something in the ballpark of, I believe, about 90% of the adult population is vaccinated, double vaccinated.
[01:00:22]  About 80% are vaccinated and boosted.
[01:00:25]  And some people are all Pfizer.
[01:00:30]  All Pfizer.
[01:00:31]  Like some of these other countries.
[01:00:32]  What's the name that they call it over there?
[01:00:34]  They don't call it Pfizer, but it's the same thing as Pfizer.
[01:00:36]  It's biotech or something like that.
[01:00:38]  Anyway, it's the Pfizer.
[01:00:40]  It's the Pfizer shot.
[01:00:42]  And then you look at them and they're having this big wave, like their biggest wave, like the biggest spike, I think, one week spike yet.
[01:00:49]  And you're like, well, that just doesn't make sense.
[01:00:52]  It just doesn't make sense.
[01:00:53]  So, so again, though, that's a little bit different than what I'm talking about.
[01:00:57]  See, like I'm saying that things like that.
[01:00:59]  Yeah.
[01:01:00]  But I would also refute it that like you'd have to qualify age and risk category.
[01:01:05]  So like the benefit to healthy 30 year olds, like you're probably right that if we took a million people within six months of getting vaccinated of healthy 30 year olds that got like, I'd love to put a specific number to how many lives would be saved from taking the vaccines.
[01:01:21]  One, like it can't be more than a hundred.
[01:01:23]  Well, that's the point, right?
[01:01:24]  So here's the point.
[01:01:25]  So when you look at countries like Israel and the thing is still spreading around, it's very hard to make a compelling argument that getting vaccinated is going to stop you from getting this or it's going to stop you from spreading that.
[01:01:37]  And in fact, even they are not making that argument.
[01:01:39]  They're saying like you're less likely.
[01:01:41]  But again, then you look at countries like Israel, you go, I don't know.
[01:01:45]  You know, I just don't know.
[01:01:46]  It's hard.
[01:01:46]  It's hard to see that data and square that.
[01:01:49]  It's hard to say that 90% of the adult population is fully vaccinated and you're having your biggest one week spike in cases.
[01:01:57]  That's hard for me to just pass the sniff test of this is stopping it from spreading around.
[01:02:03]  Okay.
[01:02:03]  But if you're reduced now to the argument of it will make you less likely to die of the virus, then okay.
[01:02:12]  Like let's just say for the sake of argument that you accept that for the six month window or whatever.
[01:02:16]  Okay.
[01:02:16]  Let's say for the sake of argument, you accept that.
[01:02:18]  It's like, okay.
[01:02:20]  But then for your average healthy person, what you are pitching them on is, hey, you know, this thing, like your average, say, you know, like you said, 30-year-old, healthy person, no comorbidities, no immunocompromised issues.
[01:02:38]  What you're pitching that person on now, since you're taking away this, like, well, you can't get it and you can't spread it.
[01:02:44]  You won't get grandma's secult.
[01:02:46]  All that's gone now.
[01:02:47]  There's no guarantee of any of that, right?
[01:02:49]  You maybe argue that you're reducing the chances, but all of that's gone.
[01:02:52]  What you're pitching them on is, hey, you know, this thing that you have like a 99.999 chance of surviving.
[01:03:02]  Well, I think this new experimental mRNA vaccine can give you a 99.999, you know, or something like that.
[01:03:12]  Like, like something in that ballpark.
[01:03:13]  And you have to understand not compelling.
[01:03:17]  That's just not compelling.
[01:03:19]  And it'll, it'll give you that only for six months.
[01:03:21]  And then you'll need another one.
[01:03:22]  And you have to trade sick days.
[01:03:24]  You're going to have to, yeah.
[01:03:25]  You're going to have to volunteer being sick for a couple of days.
[01:03:29]  At best, if we're saying that the protection is for six months, you're what you're going to trade four six four sick days a year.
[01:03:36]  For right, for what'll just be again, like that might only be, you know, who knows?
[01:03:41]  I mean, you might be sick for four days.
[01:03:44]  I know this is where you get yourself in trouble.
[01:03:46]  And so I'm going to say possibility.
[01:03:48]  I'm going to highlight that word.
[01:03:49]  Possibility that as there are variants, the vaccine will actually work in the opposite way and make it easier for you to get sick.
[01:04:00]  If you're curious to know what that possibility is, you can look up the episodes I did on Run Your Mouth with Stephen.
[01:04:05]  The simple explanation is that you're introducing like a V-shaped type thing that could be receptor to new variants.
[01:04:11]  I would like to stress possibility.
[01:04:14]  Well, I honestly, I'm like, I'll take it at that because that to me is like above my pay grade.
[01:04:19]  And I don't know.
[01:04:20]  I really don't know.
[01:04:21]  But I do just know that if you're pitching somebody on, and again, it's very important that you added that in there too, on something that's very likely going to make you sick for a couple of days, but you're going to take your risk where you're really of statistically almost no risk to this thing.
[01:04:42]  That will cut that down a little bit.
[01:04:46]  You have to understand where that's just not a very compelling pitch on its own.
[01:04:51]  And so, of course, what they're trying to pretend is that we have this crazy compelling pitch.
[01:04:58]  We have this pitch of worst thing ever, cure.
[01:05:01]  Why wouldn't you take the cure?
[01:05:03]  It must be this misinformation.
[01:05:05]  But really, it's not the misinformation.
[01:05:07]  The reason is the correct information.
[01:05:10]  And people get that and realize it's like, yeah, no, I don't fucking like, that doesn't make any sense.
[01:05:16]  And, and I am in a way like, look, I don't want, like, forget even like the fear of COVID, because I really don't have that much of a fear of Omicron, you know.
[01:05:28]  But I don't want just like anything, like the cold or the flu or anything.
[01:05:31]  I don't want to get anyone sick.
[01:05:33]  No one wants to get people sick.
[01:05:35]  I certainly don't, I don't want to give my wife like a fever.
[01:05:39]  I really would hate to give my kids anything.
[01:05:41]  I would hate to give like my mom or my sister or anyone like that anything.
[01:05:45]  So like, I'm happy I got it.
[01:05:46]  I'm happy I got this and was able to like isolate.
[01:05:50]  And I mean, it was a real bummer to not see my family for a few days, but I'm happy I got it.
[01:05:56]  Now it's like, oh, okay, great.
[01:05:58]  So I got good protection from this now.
[01:06:00]  So that's just kind of like, that's the space that a lot of people are in.
[01:06:06]  And if you disagree with it, like come with an argument, like argue against some of this shit rather than just, you know, screaming it's misinformation or whatever.

=== Want Us Banned (00:39) ===

[01:06:18]  So anyway, there you go.
[01:06:21]  All right.
[01:06:21]  Anything, any other thoughts on this shit that you want to add?
[01:06:23]  You want to try to get us banned real quick?
[01:06:25]  No, no, I do not.
[01:06:28]  I got to find a new home for my own content.
[01:06:30]  Part of the problem.
[01:06:31]  Live on on YouTube forever.
[01:06:33]  Yeah, let's hope so.
[01:06:36]  All right.
[01:06:36]  Well, go check out Run Your Mouth while you still can.
[01:06:39]  Yeah, Robbie the Flyer, all one word.
[01:06:41]  The clips that were banned from YouTube are still on Instagram and Twitter at the moment.
[01:06:46]  All right.
[01:06:46]  Hell yeah, brother.
[01:06:47]  All right.
[01:06:47]  Anything else you want to plug or mention?
[01:06:50]  No, I need some dates.
[01:06:51]  Book me if you're out there.
[01:06:53]  All right.
[01:06:54]  There you go.
[01:06:54]  All right, man.
[01:06:55]  We'll catch you next time.
[01:06:56]  Thanks for listening.