Dave Smith and Robbie Berenson critique the vaccine rollout's failure to meet efficacy promises and predict a government pivot to climate change for new liberty restrictions. They analyze Andrew Cuomo's ethics failures, argue January 6th was chaos rather than an insurrection, and claim Trump faced systematic undermining by the deep state and corporate press. Discussing media departures like Chris Wallace, they conclude that mainstream outlets have lost public trust, while Smith maintains the Capitol riot involved "stupid people" misunderstanding the government's nature. [Automatically generated summary]
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Drug Laws and Vaccine Risks00:13:40
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What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am Dave Smith.
He is, of course, COVID Jesus, the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
What's going on, my brother?
I'm coming back from an Epic Ron of Shows, man.
I had a fun weekend.
Oh, yeah.
So what tell me about your little trip there?
You went out to Mexico and you were hanging with some of our other libertarian friends, some of our post-libertarian friends, Angry Mark Clare.
I'm looking at you.
How were the shows?
Unbelievable.
Firstly, I mean, I could do without Mexico.
Mexico sucks, but all the people that showed up were a ton of fun.
That's already a great way to start a rant about how great shows in Mexico were.
The shows were incredible.
I could do without Mexico, but the Mexicans were excellent.
I'm too nervous of a Jew to be out of the country in Mexico.
I didn't want to drink the water.
I was walking around like a schizophrenic person, convinced everything was going to poison me.
It wasn't.
Yeah.
So I didn't eat for two days and I like eating.
So that wasn't the best, but the shows were fun.
Johnny was cool hanging out with Mark Clare and Clint and Buck.
That was a party.
And then Denver, I sold out like 110 seats, man.
That was cool.
Wow.
It's pretty incredible that you're selling out shows on your own without me.
And I got to tell you, I'm not thrilled about it.
Good.
So we'll get you on the road, buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
I'm not happy.
The crowds are showing up.
They're laughing at jokes.
It's fun.
Jesus.
Just leave it.
Jesus, Rob.
All right.
So what are we doing, Rob?
Are me and you getting back out on the road or what?
Yeah, I think we already have a Boston gig lined up.
We'll have the details on that next week.
And you let me know your availability.
We'll start lining up some cities.
All right.
We're going to start.
We're going to start doing some fun stuff, buddy.
This next year, 2022, is the year.
But this week, if you're around tri-state areas, our last chance to see the end of the year thing live in New York on Thursday.
Then New Hampshire, Friday, Saturday, which is sold out.
So got to drive to New York this Thursday, Old Man Hustle.
Dude, I'll tell you, I've heard such good things about your fucking whole, your act, the end of the year thing, everything.
And of course, for people who don't know, and I feel like sometimes it is a weird thing.
And I had this for a long time with doing the podcast thing where people would like be longtime podcast fans.
And then they'd come out to a stand-up show and they'd be like, oh, shit.
Hey, guys, like they tweet the next day, hey, Dave's a really funny stand-up.
You know, like, yeah, that's actually, I was doing that way before I was doing any of this stuff.
And just in case anyone doesn't know, Rob is a fucking killer.
So go check out Rob if he comes anywhere near you.
He's he's a stand-up comic that I'll tell you, Rob, you make me work when you open for me.
And I, that's, that's what I like.
Thanks, buddy.
Well, 2022, it's going to be a big year.
We'll do a bunch of shows.
It's going to be a big year.
It's going to be a big year for us.
It's going to be a big year for totalitarianism.
So we're all going to be in this together.
Speaking of a big year, it has been, if I'm not mistaken, exactly, Rob, exactly one year to the day since the first vaccines were injected into human arms.
Did you buy Pfizer an anniversary gift?
I didn't.
I have not.
But I should have bought my wife an anniversary gift a year ago, which was Pfizer stock.
That would have been a great anniversary gift last year.
By the way, that did, that really made it sound about as terrible as it could sound.
One year ago, they injected into human arms for the first time.
But look, I don't want to take this opportunity to say like the vaccines are killing everybody or something.
I think there is a lot of misinformation out there on all sides.
But even on the there will be, I've seen examples, I don't know if you have, Rob, where people who are anti-vax go a little bit too far and kind of say some crazy shit that you're like, I'm not sure the data backs that up.
I've seen a lot of that.
But I do think that after a year of the vaccine being out and kind of looking at what we know now and looking at the data, it's reasonable to start judging the success of the vaccine versus what it was sold as.
And so I was just on Kennedy earlier tonight and I gave a little rant about this.
Now, from what I hear, my camera was an internet or whatever was acting up.
So I don't know how well it came out.
But I did say that like, look, however you feel about any of this stuff, the vaccine did not deliver on what it was sold to deliver.
And Rob, I know you, you are a sales guy through and through.
So you know when you sell something, it's pretty tangible to say whether this delivered what you told the customer it was going to.
And how do you feel about the vaccine as of right now?
I feel like I've learned a new sales strategy, which is if it doesn't work, you tell them that they just need more.
And as long as they buy more of it, then we'll turn around for them.
If it doesn't work, you just call Wolf Blitzer and he will sell it.
And then you tell them it's the fault of the other customers that didn't buy your product.
And so it's really their fault because if everyone else bought the product, then it would be working.
Well, look, I mean, it's this is almost like it kind of should be alarming that their claim was safe and effective where a year later, I guess it wasn't effective.
So don't you start getting a little concerned about the other part?
Right, sure.
But I mean, much more safe and effective, I don't even think is really the heart of it.
I mean, to me, and tell me if you think I'm wrong, but to me, the sale of the vaccine was that this will bring us back to normal.
That we've had this crazy experience over the last, you know, whatever it was at the time, it was a year or something like that.
Okay, well, look, we got vaccines now.
And all you got to do is take this vaccine and then we can get back to normal.
And as soon as the vaccines started going out, they were selling them as they're, what was it?
It was like 94, 95% effective at preventing COVID.
Look, to be fair, no one ever sold.
I know there's the arguments that, well, this isn't a real vaccine because you can still get it.
But I don't think it's accurate to say, and no one ever really sold it as far as I remember as you can't get COVID.
No, they didn't.
After you've had it.
Maybe some did.
But as far as I remember, it was always like, no, it's like 95% chance you won't.
You know what I mean?
Right, but even that, okay, yes, that's true.
That it was essentially, hey, it's 95% effective, but that quickly turned to that it just will prevent severe illness.
But that's my point.
Is that I'm talking about what it started as a year ago.
What it was sold as was like, look, this is like 95% effective.
You won't get this.
There's no way you could, you could have this and get seriously sick and then, you know, go to the hospital or even die.
That's just impossible.
Like, there's, there's no way you could get a bad case of COVID with this.
That was like how it was initially sold.
And then initially, it was put into place.
Like, okay, you can take the mask off.
You can, well, maybe not initially, but pretty shortly after, you can take the mask off.
You can go back to your life.
Everything's going to be fine.
How's that looking now?
Like, kind of looking like we got hoodwinked.
I mean, how, how else?
Look, I'm not going to, I'm not sitting here and telling you the vaccines are killing people at these unprecedented rates, or everything you've ever heard about a heart condition is now because of the vaccine.
I'm not saying any of that, but I am going to say that what these vaccines were sold to you as, if any other product, if there was any other product you were buying in the market that had told you, had made these promises and then made these deliveries, you'd be like, I should get my money back at the very least.
Yeah, but with all that being said, the claims about excess deaths, mortality, heart problems, it's not just that the product doesn't work.
It's like if you bought a washer and you had the washer in your house and after six months, it stopped working and you're like, whoa, I got to buy a new washer every six months.
But we're not just talking about that.
We're talking about that you can't get the washer out.
And yes, it could create more problems.
And we're already seeing some indications of it.
So you're right.
I got a washing machine in my house.
Yeah.
Half my family has died because of the washing machine.
I still think it was a good deal.
Yeah.
No, so I agree with you.
I don't think that there's enough evidence at the moment to fearmonger that these vaccines are causing crazy rates of death or that they're killing people.
I think it's more that they lied to you about something that doesn't have utility.
But there is risk on the table for people that have taken this.
I mean, you look at the Verse chart, deaths are off the charts.
Berenson is reporting that excess deaths are up in Germany.
You certainly have cases.
Really?
Well, if he is, how come I haven't seen it on Twitter?
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know what?
You're right.
If it's not on Twitter, then it can't be real information.
He got booted off, right?
He's gone.
What did he get booted for?
Do you know?
Being right, just following everything and reporting on it.
That's a weird thing, man.
It's a weird thing about like social media big tech censorship is that you kind of feel for a little bit like, you know, there'll be these like horrible people who get kicked off, or there'll be someone who said something like, you're like, oh, Jesus.
Yeah, maybe shouldn't be allowed to say that.
But then there's someone like Berenson who gets kicked off and you're like, all right, look, maybe he's wrong.
But he was never like out there saying like, I don't know.
He was never like, I hate blacks and the Jews should be thrown in the ovens or something.
He was just out there like giving data.
And if his interpretation of the data is wrong, then please let me know.
I'd really love to know.
But it's very weird when people like that get kicked off.
You're like, you really don't have any other explanation here.
You're just trying to protect this whole racket, huh?
Yeah.
No, I mean, he's, I found him like, I want to say three quarters into Corona because a lot of the stories that I was kind of finding online or bringing people on my show, he seemed to be also doing that reporting.
And he's an actual scientist or better with science stuff.
So he's been a great resource.
He's one of my like things I check every day.
Do you remember when we met him?
Wait, we met him in person?
He was.
Oh man, am I wrong about this?
I might be confusing debates, but he came to a Soho Forum debate that I think was, was it the one that was the last debate?
Oh, maybe not.
But he came, he was at a Soho forum.
What was the last Soho Forum debate before the world shut down?
Except for laws prohibiting the sale of drugs to minors and driving while impaired, all laws that penalize drug production, distribution, possession, and use should be abolished along with special syntaxes on drugs.
Okay.
So maybe you weren't there for it, but that was the debate where I met him.
And he, whatever.
I mean, this has nothing to do with anything, but I just remember being in the back and I was vaping.
And we were, I was about to go on and open up the show and he was going to debate, you know, basically pro-drug laws, you know, and like, I, I thought his whole thing was stupid.
You know, and I was like kind of fucking with him backstage.
And I was like, I was like, is this a drug?
Like, should I be arrested right now for this?
And he was like, well, he's like, is that weed?
And I was like, no, I was just, it's fucking a vape, a nicotine vape.
And he was like, well, it is a drug.
And I was like, well, what should happen to me?
And I was just fucking with him.
But he was a really nice guy.
I actually really enjoyed meeting him.
But then I thought his whole thing on drug laws was stupid.
He made some fair points about drugs, but I thought he was wrong about drug laws.
And then I just never thought about him again until he became the guy on the fucking COVID thing.
And then it was like, oh, shit.
Mandates, Climate Change, and Care00:10:42
All right.
I guess I got to listen to him again.
Anyway, he's off Twitter now.
We should get him on the podcast.
Yeah, I got to hit up Gene.
Yeah, we could probably.
He's got his contact info.
I would be down to have him on and like talk to him about where he's at these days and what he thinks.
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Okay.
Anyway, so it's been a year, a year of the vaccines.
And isn't it, I'll say this, right?
How can I straddle the line of really not, and not just this isn't just about saying something that could get us kicked off of a platform or whatever.
I don't know.
I don't care.
I'm not going to guard against that too much.
It's going to happen sooner or later.
But if at this point, don't you think it's so reasonable to say that it would be hard for anyone to argue with that?
Number one, the vaccines have not lived up to what they were sold to be.
Number two, that the vaccines have the level of protection that they told you they were going to have has gone down and down and down.
Is that controversial to say?
I mean, right, Rob, that isn't that a fact that they just started from saying, oh, it's going to be 95% protection to down to in the 50s during Delta.
And now with the Omicron, how do you pronounce it?
Why do I keep saying it wrong?
The Omicron works for me.
I don't know.
I don't know if they're now.
We have no idea what it's going to be.
There you go.
So we have no idea what it's going to be.
And as the case for being vaccinated gets weaker and weaker and weaker, it does seem like the hysteria grows louder and louder and louder.
And it's like, well, we have to take away your rights.
We have to ruin your life.
We have to do everything we can to hurt you for not taking this vaccine.
Even if you don't believe that the vaccine causes like, you know, even if you don't believe there's ill effects, even if you don't believe like, oh my God, this is a risky thing for people to take, shouldn't you at least at this point realize that the promise of the vaccine is going down and down and down and the demands, the mandates for it are going up and up and up?
Is that not reasonable?
What do you think, Rob?
I mean, I think you're, it was lunacy to dictate policy around these vaccines that had no evidence of there being any utility.
You just got to go back to the pre-trial data.
There was more death in the group of people that took the vaccine than the unvaccinated group.
And it turns out recently there's reports.
This is also from Berenson, but they lied about the deaths and there was actually six more in the vaccinated group.
So if you just want to go back to the origin of this policy, you have a vaccine with zero proof of it preventing deaths.
And yes, you're going to mandate that people have to take it.
You're going to close down businesses around this.
You're going to have employer mandates.
So it's never made any sense whatsoever for government to be stepping in and trying to make mandates around this product.
Like even if you believed that government should have emergency authority, this was never enough of an emergency that we needed government to step in, and the cure was never good enough that it made sense for them to dictate.
And then as they continue to be wrong, it's incredible that they ramp up with the like the policies that they're trying to have and that there's still people that are willing to play along.
However, as more and more people, I think, are going to be unwilling to get the boosters and unwilling to vaccinate their kids, I think that's what's going to ultimately ruin their plan.
Because prior to Biden, when he made the mandates, 50% of eligible people did not get vaccinated, right?
So 50% of people, and by the way, that number is even lower.
This is where it gets harder to do the math.
If you start, let's say you and I were to accept that people over 65 or people in risk categories should get the virus.
So now, I mean, should get the vaccine.
So then what were the actual compliance numbers from like 20 to 50 year old healthy individuals?
It's probably much lower than 50%.
You're probably looking at more.
So, then if you start taking those individuals that initially got it and you start considering who won't get boosters, who won't vaccinate their kids, well, if no one's going to accept the laws, no one's going to be compliant, the thing's going to break.
So, that's the good news.
This is not going to continue because, firstly, all these mandates have turned out to be unlawful, and your compliance number is going to go down as more people do realize, hey, this is ridiculous.
I'm not getting boosters because you lied to me.
But it's crazy that they're still trying to ramp up their efforts with laws and mandates, considering that they've just gotten everything wrong.
Like that none of what they've claimed has been true.
I can't even believe, how does Fauci still have a job?
That's still just the craziest part altogether.
Yeah.
Right.
I agree with all of that.
And we like we were going to say, like, we've been saying since the beginning that this is going to transition into something else.
And it does already seem like climate change is where they're going with it.
And I've been getting tweets from people who are like, oh, shit, man, you called it.
This was going to be back in March, you were saying this is going to turn into the next climate change thing.
And I just want to say, it seems like that was fairly obvious.
I don't think I should get that much credit for it.
But yeah, this whole thing is going to collapse and they're going to move into the next thing.
That's what we're dealing with here.
Yeah, it was easy to see because the article started coming out of doctors saying that climate change was the biggest risk to your health.
And then interestingly enough, you and I said at the beginning of Corona, if I remember correctly, that the scary thing about government trying to regulate your behavior based off of potential risk for humanity is if they tried the same nonsense for global warming.
So it was right there that, hey, this is dangerous precedent.
Well, it just seems so obvious.
It seems so obvious that it was like, look, if you can say that this is enough of a, this is a risk to the, you know, general population that we have to, you know, curtail your individual liberties in these ways.
Well, then, well, what else?
What else could be a risk that they would claim?
What else has been pushed all these years?
And it's funny because much like with all of the vaccine stuff and just COVID in general, what have they been saying is a national kind of emergency or a global emergency, I should say.
And what have they been more wrong on in terms of predictions?
The climate stuff.
That's what's next.
But at this point, you see it happening all over.
You really see there's going to be a transition to the climate issue from the COVID issue.
And it's concerning because there have been precedents set over the last two years that are troubling.
The only good news is that the story is already somewhat out there that Biden and energy prices and people don't like prices going up.
Like people are already aware of the fact, hey, I don't like prices going up.
Like that has already happened to them.
And Biden shut down the Keystone pipeline.
I don't know what the fuck happened in NatGas.
I just hear conservatives talking about it a bunch.
But like a while ago, it seems like pre-Biden, we were an exporter of nat gas and we had more control over kind of oil prices in the world.
And then he seemed to come in, shut down the Keystone pipeline, shut down some of like the oil drilling that we were doing.
Like that definitely had an effect on oil prices.
I don't know the full picture there, but if all of a sudden they start stepping in with even more, by the way, he's already, he already did it.
He just passed a regulation that by 2030, all federal buying has to be electric vehicles, which plays into the ESG score stuff that I was talking about, where the banks are basically pre-investing in these things in a colluded fashion.
And you're going to see more and more government laws coming to ensure that those investments are profitable.
But I think as prices ramp up on people, and this is what happened in France when people protested, like that's a very, I mean, it's crazy that people stayed in their homes and they didn't show up to work because they were scared about a virus, but that's a more tangible threat.
I think the global warming thing is going to be a little bit tougher for people to swallow and for them to sell.
Yeah, I think you just touched on a very important point, which is that whether you blame Biden's energy policies or not, the fact that people have already dealt with what energy inflation, energy price inflation means for them in their life.
I think that's something to keep an eye on.
HR Focus and Libertarian Debates00:04:03
That people are going to realize that it's like, no matter what they're telling you, what do you really care about?
This kind of abstract idea that bad things are going to happen in the future?
Or do you care about the fact that you're going to pay more at the pump tomorrow?
I think there's something to that.
And hopefully, I don't know.
Hopefully people kind of wake up about this shit.
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I said, you know, I was on Kennedy earlier today and I said something that I've already gotten a few tweets about that piss people off that I said only libertarians understand economics.
And I well, the Democrats think printing money reduces inflation.
So we can rule out all of them.
Yeah, really.
Well, I'll tell you, I have a few debates coming up.
By the way, I should have mentioned this at the top.
I got a bunch of shit coming up too.
But we're going to do our gig in Boston, I believe, in January.
I'm going to be at the Arizona Libertarian State Convention in January.
I'm doing a bunch of the Libertarian.
Give me those dates.
I'll book shows, dude.
We'll take over the clubs.
You know, I want to, but you know, they need, well, let's talk and we'll work this all out.
But, you know, the problem is that they need me for like fucking both the days I'm there or whatever.
And the times are tough to work out stand-up shows there.
But I would love to do that.
But I am going to be, me and you are both going to be at the Connecticut Libertarian.
Oh, I don't know that I said yes to that, but okay.
Well, I said yes on the contingency that you were going to be there.
So they really duped me anyway.
But I'm going to be at the Connecticut, Colorado, Arizona, Pennsylvania.
I'm going to be at a bunch of the libertarian circuit party.
Yeah, I'm going to be at.
Well, look, the LP shit's popping off right now.
And the Mises caucus is doing an incredible job in the party.
And at Reno, Angela McArdle is going to be the next chair.
But right now is the time to really focus.
So I want everyone to do what they can, help out the Mises caucus.
That's our team.
That's our team right there.
But anyway, so I'm going to be at a bunch of these state conventions.
And I've got several debates coming up.
I'm debating, I'm going to be debating Nick Fuentes on kind of something along the lines of like libertarianism versus authoritarianism.
What show are you doing that on?
Economic Realities and Price Signals00:06:02
I don't know.
The Kill Stream, I think is what it's called.
But we're going to be doing a debate on state power.
I think that's what the topic is.
We'll see.
That's this Friday.
It's going to be live at 10 p.m.
I've tweeted it, but I'll tweet out more about it or I'll tweet the link or whatever.
I got a couple other debates coming up.
So I'm going to be doing a bunch of these.
I got a lot of stuff.
2022 is going to be a good year.
And we'll start it off in December.
We'll start it off early.
So I got a bunch of debates coming up.
But anyway, it just reminded me of this because today on Kennedy, I did make the point that only libertarians understand economics.
And I'm right about that.
I'm sorry, but we're the only ones.
I'm sure there's other things that other groups of people understand that we don't.
Like we understand economics.
Perhaps your group understands hygiene or I don't know, attracting people of the opposite sex.
But the point is, libertarians get economics.
That's what we get.
And so, you know, the issue that was brought up on Kennedy was someone, it was one of the squad or something like that was saying they went in for a law degree and they got it and they still have $200,000 in student loan debt.
And they go, how is that fair that there's not debt forgiveness?
You know, and I was like, does no one else, is no one else looking at the economic information given to you there?
That if you become a lawyer and you still owe 200 grand, well, what does that tell you?
You're balanced.
Well, what's the information of the price?
It's letting you know, like if you, if there's a price, what is that?
That is information, right?
That's what a price is.
A price is information.
And if you paid $200,000 for your college education and then that college education lets you go get a job where you can't afford to pay off this $200,000, that is information.
And the information is that that price wasn't worth it.
Now, if you paid that price and then you went and got a job and that price is nothing to you now because the job you're getting just fucking dominates it, it's like, okay, well, then that's information too.
And the information is that that price was worth it.
Prices carry information with them.
That's the whole point.
Anyway, but so going into these other debates, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, where it's like, you know, so many people who are outside have these, you know, these different left or right or whatever, they just don't get basic economic truths.
And that's kind of what's missing from their whole thing is that it's like, look, there is reality to the situation we're living in.
And economic realities, they're a bitch, but they're real.
And you can believe in them or not believe in them.
You can ignore them or you can pay attention to them, but they don't go away.
And I think what's going on right now in America, in the American economy, is that there were these very obvious economic realities that we've been talking about for the last couple of years that a lot of people didn't want to pay attention to.
And now they're in this weird situation where it's like, well, it's here.
You know, it's like if you have a, like if there's a water leak in your roof and you go like, eh, I'm just going to ignore that for a while.
And then like a year later, you're like, your whole fucking ceiling is fucked up.
It's like, yeah, well, you can ignore that and you can pretend that doesn't exist, but that water that was in there is going somewhere and it's going to be a problem.
And in the same sense, in 2020, when this country decided to shut down the economy and print trillions of dollars, that has ramifications.
And that's what we're living through now.
I don't know.
What do you think, Rob?
I think whether or not we have big time inflation coming is.
I keep hearing some chatter about the fact that there's so much debt denominated in dollars and that there's going to be such a retraction in the company, in the, in the economy, that like we're actually not going to see hyperinflation, but we're we certainly are seeing it at the moment.
And the one thing I find so fascinating about inflation is that people it's now like you walk into a deli and there's a sign there like we have to increase our prices everyone's aware of it.
Everyone who's buying a piece of meat at the grocery store, they're aware of it, and they're kind of a pissed at Biden and they kind of feel like hey, you can't just print money.
Which goes back to something I think we all kind of knew is, you have to show up to work, everyone needs to work for a living, and they tried to pretend that we could go full socialist, and I think everyone got at least a little bit of an education that that doesn't really work.
It's not even full socialist, though I mean even even the socialists would have acknowledged you have to work.
I mean, this was something different.
This was like the idea that we can shut down the economy, that we can not work and just print money, that that is a new thing.
That's, that's a really new thing that almost anyone, I think, should have been able to see.
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Uh, so you want to know why, like for all that chatter of the hey, the one percent and the rich getting richer Well, we definitely put together policies that helped every single one of them over this past year.
Yeah.
That's for sure.
They've had a good year.
They've had a damn good year.
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Ethics, Ventilators, and Deep State00:11:46
All right, let's get back into the show.
All right.
What else did we want to talk about?
So, okay, so Andrew Cuomo has been ordered to pay back $5 million.
Is that right, Rob?
Well, you got to understand every time these guys put out a book, that's some good old-fashioned bribe money.
They need their ways to get their payments when they're leaving office.
So someone puts out a book, someone buys a whole bunch of copies.
It sits on a Barnes and Noble shelf.
No one actually reads any of that bullshit in any capacity, but it's a great racket for funneling money to politicians.
But sadly, once you get to leave office and you're no longer in power, right?
Once you're not in power, you're fucked.
It's over.
Like that was a pretty powerful family two months ago.
And now his brother's out of his job at CNN, and this guy's like facing real problems.
Isn't it kind of amazing?
That was kind of my take.
And I was talking about this on Kennedy too.
That was kind of my take.
That you're like, okay, fine.
Look, he should have to give back the money, I guess.
And okay, we're all on the same page now.
But isn't it amazing what a little difference makes?
Like, it's not, it seems like not that long ago that this was the royal family.
Then, when this was all happening, me and you were sitting here going, this is so corrupt.
I mean, okay, so you have this governor who has the worst track record on COVID, objectively.
The state he governed over has the most unless you're trying to kill old people.
You want to talk old people's stats?
I mean, what is he like in terms of how many people got you know, cases, deaths, destruction, all of that?
You think he was the worst?
And you're on the news every day saying, Hey, we need ventilators, we need ventilators, and then it turns out ventilators are killing people.
Made this exact point today on Kennedy.
He literally said this.
I go, even when he's blasting Trump for saying we need ventilators, yes, this exact point.
And then we find out the ventilators are killing people.
Yes, exactly.
All of this.
He's doing, and then the nursing home thing, which was very bad.
It's not just that he ordered COVID-positive patients into nursing homes.
The thing that'll really with you is that his office then tried to like destroy the evidence of them, their culpability.
It's very bad.
So there's all of this.
And then he's on TV every day.
And I thought there would be something like an Emmy for it.
Right.
It was celebrated.
And obviously, when they didn't need to be, you know, it's like the these governors appointed themselves mini dictators and they just said, we're taking this dictatorial power.
And there was no pushback in the corporate press.
And then they said, I'm having daily TV briefings.
And pretty quickly, we all realized they didn't have that much to say every day.
And a lot of it was like, they're just trying to be on television every day.
And while he's doing this, then he's collecting an Emmy.
And then he's going to write a book.
And you would think that that would be enough for most people, even if you agreed with everything he was doing, even if you were an insane person who agreed with everything he was doing.
You'd think you could go, now that's pretty corrupt to collect millions of dollars off of this moment.
You know what I mean, Rob?
Like that you would use this moment to say, okay, I'm going to make exorbitant amounts of money from the fact that I'm this public face as I lead the fight against COVID, by the way, objectively as the worst governor in America.
All right.
Hey, life gives you a bunch of dead old people.
Make lemonade.
That's all somebody.
If you crunch up enough dead old people, that is what you get.
Lemonade, delicious lemonade.
But so he, so he did this, and no one had a problem with it until now.
And this is what bugs me about.
It's like now that he's out, the sexual harassment stuff or whatever, now that he's out, now that his brother's out, now they go, oh, yeah, and you owe me those $5 million back.
It's like, oh, wow, the ethics committee.
I'm glad you finally found a sense of ethics.
Where have you been?
Where have you been?
The state has been destroyed.
But it's also like if there's an ethical problem of these politicians making monies off, I guess, books that they're writing in office.
So in this case, it was he's writing a book about the death, but didn't Fauci make some money off of a book?
Did Fauci make money off that documentary?
I know he got a million dollars at one point from Israel, just like as some something.
I remember seeing that headline.
So, like, if there's an ethics committee, why is it only when you're disgraced that all of a sudden like they find an ethics issue, which is very clear?
It's like being in China when you know you get stung up for corruption.
Everyone's corrupt there.
If you're getting taken out for corruption, it's because you're no longer like in favor of whoever the elites are.
It's the exact same thing.
So when you get ousted from power, all of a sudden you get hit with the ethics complaint.
Yeah, that does that.
That seems to be the case.
Found out, I think Nancy Pelosi is worth like $450 million because of all the stock investments that yeah, I think it came out today.
They put out a list of the 15 wealthiest senators or like the 50.
She's number 50.
Well, she's not a senator.
She's in the house.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But I think, I think the number was 450 million.
Brian, if you could look that up, I seem to recall that one.
And it's all off of basically the investments that her husband's making.
Where's the ethics committee on that one?
Yeah.
Well, that's right.
And there's so much of that.
And so that's why it just, I always try to like with these things, even when it's the right, like they've got the right guy.
You go, but why exactly are you guys all turning on this guy right now?
Because this was so obvious at the time.
That's my only thing is that it's like this, you should have been right about this way earlier.
193 mil, Brian says.
Okay.
Rob's point.
I'll say Rob's point stands.
I'm going to look this up.
I actually think I'm right.
That's hilarious that you're going to argue on that.
Either way, exactly the point you were making is perfect.
But all right, Rob wants to say no.
I don't think it is 193 mil.
Like you feel like the Pelosi family would be like, what?
193 mil.
Here we are.
It's been a rough Christmas.
Oh, no.
I was way wrong.
His number is way better, way closer than the number I had.
Wait, what was your number?
I said 450.
It's 46, but that's why I remembered it as 450.
I know that doesn't make sense to you.
I'm visual.
It was 46 million.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Rob adds a zero, by the way.
That's the minimum estimate, though.
So, you know.
Any of you guys out there with a one-inch penis, Rob thinks you have a huge schlong.
So just don't, don't worry.
He's on your side.
When it works, it works.
And just know every COVID stat I've said over the last year, if you actually go look it up, it's just a little wrong.
Just by a factor of 10.
Turns out a ton of people have been dying all year.
All right.
What do you what do you want to talk about, Rob?
January 6th.
All right.
That's a good, that's a good one.
So they're having this commission and everyone's freaking out.
All right.
What are your thoughts so far?
I think that I like truth on both sides.
I think that there were irregularities within the election and that we should, there should have actually been a better investigation of that and we should find out whether or not the election was stolen.
On the same note, it looks like Trump really overplayed his hands of trying to actually like, I think Trump got robbed.
He showed up and they had this fake fucking rush occlusion stuff.
And I think he tried to play the game back on them where he's like, the whole system turned on me.
This is not a real system.
Fuck this.
I'm not leaving office.
I think what they were trying to do was pretty bad.
And I said this all the way back when the people went into the building that I thought he had, like the fact that he just sold him out showed out how rotten of a person he was.
Not that, not that he was at fault, but he was out there.
And I mean, he knows his supporters are idiots and he's out there.
He's leading the charge.
And then to just kind of go like, hey, they took it too far.
And now behind closed doors, you know, he was really doing everything he could.
He said before, and hey, they're going to try and rob me and have a fake election.
He didn't do anything to prevent it.
He didn't do anything to prove that the election results were false.
He's working with that lady who was making the lunatic, the lunacy claims of that she had the crack in evidence.
And now she's got like crazy penalties that she has to pay back.
The court cases that they brought were like so fraudulent that like it appears that they were there just to try and make news stories, which Trump is very good at.
Trump is very good at making like a claim just so it would be in the news.
That's kind of what he did with Obama with the birth certificate.
I think there's a possibility maybe he shouldn't even be allowed to run again.
Like, I really think, like, as much as they need to go back and get everyone who put the Rush occlusion thing together and find all those people in the FBI and get them in trouble.
I think what it's starting to kind of look like what Trump was trying to pull was pretty flagrant.
Hmm.
All right.
Well, I look at it like this.
I think that there's no question what you said.
Look, Donald Trump was, I mean, he was framed for treason by his own deep state.
And we've spent, I mean, I don't know how many episodes we've done where we've argued the case on Russia Gate as effectively as anyone.
Go back and listen to any of our episodes on this, right?
I think that Donald Trump was absolutely he was handed.
Look, between the corporate press and the deep state and the establishments of both parties, that he was completely tanked from the very beginning.
But I'll tell you, when you're running on, I'm going to drain the swamp, that's what you deal with.
You know, what does drain the swamp mean?
It means I'm going to take on the biggest honeypot in the history of humanity.
And what do you think you're going to get when you do that?
You think they're going to embrace you and go, well, let him stand on the merits of his ideas.
Or, you know, are they going to try to come after you?
So that's what happened.
And then, of course, Donald Trump to lose the election to Joe Biden.
What was required was that he, you know, had it's not like 2020 went bad for Donald Trump.
It's not like, okay, he had like three good years as a president.
And then that last year, he got, you know, embedded in a few scandals.
It's like the last year was the craziest year in the history of the country ever, beyond what anyone could imagine.
Chris Wallace and Trust Issues00:11:18
To the point.
And they fucked him with the corona shit.
They, they, yes, and they did.
And they enjoyed it.
And they used every inch they could to make it worse for him and all of that.
However, once the election happened and he sat there and bitched for three months about how they were going to steal it with the, you know, the overhauling of the election and doing it by this voter by mail.
And look, they did overhaul the way we voted.
But he, like you said, he had no plan.
He just bitched and bitched and bitched.
And then it happened.
And then he bitched some more and then he left.
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As far as I'm concerned with the January 6th thing, I stick by what we said the day that it happened.
I thought that it was stupid for people to go into the building and even step over a police barrier.
Open the doors for them.
You can't fault some of those people out there.
They're getting invited right in.
Yeah.
And some of them were, you know, leading them in.
But regardless, the stuff I've seen so far out of the, you know, the investigation doesn't really change my mind on how I think about any of it.
I think that the fact that Donald Trump Jr. was texting and all of this stuff, this is just, it was all politics to me.
They're like, oh, he should say something.
He should say something harsh or he should condemn it.
He should do all of this.
That to me doesn't really change my mind.
It's like, look, I don't think that I don't think that that incident was intentionally planned by Donald Trump or any of the campaign.
I don't think that that incident was anywhere near as bad as the corporate press is trying to make it out to be.
I don't think it was an attempt to overturn a democracy.
I don't think it was an insurrection.
I think it was a whole bunch of stupid people storming into the Capitol when they probably shouldn't have.
And they should have recognized what they were up against.
And I think, honestly, I think it's the, they suffered from what so many people in this society suffer from, which is that you don't understand what your government is.
You think this is just like, look, this is the people's house and we're going to walk in here and let you know we don't like what you did.
But that's not what it is.
That's not what it is.
This is not the people's house.
This is the criminal's house.
And what happens if you step into a criminal's house?
And what happens if you step into the most badass criminal ever's house with a cocky attitude?
Like, I'm going to fart on your desk.
Well, you're going to get got.
And that's what's going to happen to a lot of those people.
I don't think.
I don't think it's so much the text messages.
And I was busy walking around Mexico thinking I was going to die and looking for water.
So maybe I don't have all the details on this story.
But with the PowerPoint and his plan in place to try and pressure Pence to not certify the election results, maybe I need more of a legal.
He was trying.
Yeah, he was absolutely trying every legal avenue he could to stay.
But how legal was that?
How legal was that to have the vice president just not certify the election results to try and like it seemed like they were like it seemed like he was trying to push that before he had even lost.
And like to me, the more honest way to approach that would have been to go, well, how like, how do I actually have evidence of voter fraud or how do I ensure it doesn't happen?
As opposed to, hey, let me see if I don't lose this, if I don't win this thing and then, you know, set myself up and try not to certify it.
There's something, at least from what I've seen thus far, that doesn't sit right about what it looks like he was trying to do there.
Yeah.
Look, you might be right about some of that.
But again, that's not, to me, that's a very different charge than, you know, a dictator who refuses to leave office even when he is defeated.
To me, that looks at him going like, okay, what avenues do I have to prove this?
But you're right.
It does seem like he just believed in his heart of hearts that he goes, look, there's no way this is real.
Or maybe he just believes, isn't the funny thing just being like thinking about who Trump is and who Biden is that look, as fucked up as this may be, that in Trump's mind, he just went, there's no way I lost to Biden.
Like that just didn't happen.
There's just no way.
And I think he really believed that.
Or he just believed that he could get away with things because he's Trump and he's a stronger man than every other president that just left and lost.
So he was like, I bet I can convince my base that I really won this thing.
And like I convinced them that there was election fraud and potentially I could just not leave and people will accept it.
Yep.
Yep.
So we talked about a few weeks ago how two neocons left Fox News over the Tucker Carlson documentary about January 6th.
Is that out yet?
I still haven't seen it.
It is out.
I have not seen it either, but I'm going to.
I'll make sure I watch that very soon.
But so I will tell you that it's been, and we'll wrap in a second, but it's been interesting to see to me that Chris Wallace just left Fox News.
Brian Williams just left NBC News.
There seems to be a lot of like some big exits.
I don't know how much people who listen to this show pay attention to the corporate press.
But those are not two insignificant names.
Those are very, very big names.
Brian Williams and Chris Wallace were two of the biggest like people in cable news.
And I mean, Brian Williams at one point was the number one guy.
And then he got caught lying in not even, but you, Rob, you'd respect it more if he was lying to get someone elected.
He was just lying to just look cool.
And Chris Wallace was supposed to be the, you know, which is just, it's almost so perfect that he was like, well, I'm the most reasonable guy on Fox News, who, of course, was a Democrat, who was a complete shill for the neocons and the establishment and all of that.
Anyone who tells you Chris Wallace, who was an, you know, Chris Wallace was an unbiased journalist.
It's completely full of shit.
That dude was like the worst of the worst.
And so he left.
He went from Fox News to CNN Plus, which I'm just saying, in terms of ratings, they better have paid him some good money because the CNN web series is not doing nearly as good as Fox News.
Brian Williams just left.
I don't know where he's going or if he's going anywhere.
There were a couple other people that have left.
And I find this interesting.
And I know there's people online who are like, this is because of the Epstein case or the Maxwell case or whatever.
I don't think so.
I think this is just that, you know, a lot of people are realizing that the poll they have in the corporate media is not what it used to be.
And they're not as useful to their overlords as they once were.
And there's something very, you know, like I, I'm very encouraged by this.
I think the fact that MSNBC or NBC doesn't see that much value in Brian Williams and Fox News doesn't see that much value in Chris Wallace.
I think that's really good.
And the more you watch the corporate press, they're all freaking out about this.
And that just convinces me more and more that this is very good.
It's like, yeah, people just aren't believing you anymore.
I'm sorry.
We're in a different place now.
We dish out truth three times a week.
Huh?
I said, we dish out truth three times a week.
Yes.
That's the point is that we are so great that no one believes them anymore.
But I just think that it's like, they don't, they don't have the audience they used to have.
I mean, if you look at the ratings and all of that, they don't have the audience they used to have.
They don't have the trust they used to have.
And this is good.
I think that after, particularly after the last two years, that no one should be looking to the corporate press anymore and going like, okay, they, they're telling me something here.
So it's good to see some of like the kind of like head guys who represent that world going and just just leaving.
I think that that's that's very good news as far as I'm concerned.
Hopefully they all lose their jobs.
Yeah, there you go.
All right, Robbie.
I think that's, I think that's our show for today.
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Hell yeah, dude.
Let's let's fucking do it.
And I'll be debating Nick Fuentes on statism or something like that on Friday.
And then I got a couple more debates coming up in the next few weeks after that.