Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire dismantle Dr. Anthony Fauci's "Dr. Truth" persona, exposing his refusal to address gain-of-function research or lockdown failures while corporate media fuels hysteria for martial law. They critique Jim Kramer's authoritarian proposals and highlight South Carolina hospital staff enforcing arbitrary protocols on healthy patients, arguing natural immunity outperforms vaccines. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that political overreach will collapse under public resistance, urging society to accept COVID as a permanent reality rather than succumbing to fear-based authoritarianism. [Automatically generated summary]
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Terrifying New COVID Variant00:14:59
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Welcome to a brand new episode of Heart of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith.
He's Robbie the Fire.
He's Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
All right, stumbling on.
Robbie Firecock.
There you go.
We're just going to abbreviate it.
Get right to it.
Well, I'm very happy to be back with you.
It's been a little while.
Happy to have my partner in crime.
And we got a whole bunch of a whole bunch of stuff to talk about.
But how you been doing?
How are the gigs?
They were fun.
Material needs a little work, but it was fun.
That's why I love you.
Your honesty, Rob.
That's why you make the best, the best co-host.
Well, I'm glad you got it in where you can now, because if you haven't heard, there's a new terrifying variant of COVID.
It's the Omni Corporate presence of OmniCrime.
It's only terrifying for one reason, and that's because it is the proof that this strategy never and won't work.
Yeah.
Well, that's it, right?
Isn't that really it right there?
That to just go like, okay, so you had, and it's, you know, it's tough, man, because everybody is so dug into their own propaganda.
And there is propaganda on all sides.
I mean, the corporate press propaganda is the most dominant form, but there is propaganda on all, you know, sides.
But everyone will be able to have their own narrative.
And that's what's, that's what was so damning about demonizing the unvaccinated.
And that's why we were so opposed to it from the beginning, because it just lets them go, oh, well, this is why.
This is why it didn't work.
It's because of these people or something else.
And, you know, but if you try to look at it objectively, you're like, guys, you had the biggest campaign in history to do it your way.
And there's still now another variant that you're terrified of.
Doesn't that just by any reasonable standard prove that this is just not a feasible path forward?
Well, the good news is this variant, this variant might be good news.
It might be a even less deadly variant that's more highly transmissible, which if anything, if we lived in the world of natural immunity, that means more people would get infected and we'd have less cases of hospitalizations and deaths, which is the only issue.
So theoretically, this would be good news.
And the earliest information that we're getting about this from the doctors in Africa is that thus far, there doesn't seem to be a lot of death.
Which is very, yes, I got to say, overall, I'm optimistic about the way this is going.
Now, I don't want to just put that out there without a caveat.
This is scary.
And something has changed where the propaganda has gone back up to another level.
And it actually seems to me, and I try to keep my eyes on the corporate press and see what they're saying, because a lot of times, if you're like red-pilled on this shit, and if you know that they're all, you know, if you know the corporate press is the enemy of the people, then it's worthwhile to pay attention to them, I believe, at times, because you can kind of see, okay, this is what they're setting up.
This is what they're trying to do.
After a while, it's part of the reason why I've gotten good and I think why a lot of people like this show at kind of reading what's going on in the situation, because I kind of see their pattern.
I can see how they're setting things up.
And you can definitely see the propaganda has is a higher level than it was with the Delta variant.
There's a higher level of hysteria.
And so that's something to be concerned about.
I don't want to downplay that.
I mean, they're talking lockdowns again.
This is the first time they've really been talking lockdowns in a long time that you're just hearing that idea come out of the mouths of a lot of people in the corporate press.
And things understand, things like this don't just happen to come out of the mouths of people at CNN or written in the New York Times or whatever.
It doesn't just happen.
It's like, it's not like they all like all world leaders across the world just happen to be saying build back better.
It's not just like, you know what I'm saying?
Like it's a coordinated thing.
They're all mimicking each other.
And then, of course, everyone can't be mimicking everyone.
So someone is, you know, starting like planting the talking points.
But they are frantic and they are trying to use this to push the next round of restrictions.
But I do think that there's like there's a real chasm between reality and the level of hysteria that the corporate press is putting out there right now.
And I think that it's not that governments can't get away with outrageous amounts of propaganda, but we're at a weird place, at least in the United States of America, where we're not a controlled enough society for them to get away with this level of batshit insane propaganda.
Like you're getting to a level where you're like, you'd have to have your people as controlled as like North Korea in order to be able to manipulate them with this stuff.
And so I think there's like a real case for optimism in here.
I have a feeling if I had to bet right now, I think this is all going to fail and it's going to blow up in their faces.
And that's part of the reason why the hysteria is so high, because a lot of this stuff has been blowing up in their faces, whether it's court cases challenging the OSHA mandates, whether it's businesses pulling back on their restrictions, and also just the fact that people just can't keep it up.
I think, you know, what might ultimately win the day on the COVID regime, which don't worry, after we win the day on the COVID regime, we better all get real smart because what's coming next is the climate change regime.
That's like what's going to be next.
This is, I think, all a trial run for what the climate change regime is going to be.
But I think ultimately, what me and you have been saying for quite a while is starting to be something that it doesn't matter if two jerk off comedians on a podcast tell you this.
After a while, the reality is just staring you in the face.
And the reality is this: COVID is not going away anytime.
It's not going away in our lifetimes.
Doesn't matter how many of these vaccines they pump out.
Doesn't matter how much propaganda they pump out.
Doesn't matter how much social distancing or masking or even more lockdowns.
There's going to be another variant and another variant and another variant.
And COVID is a part of life now.
And people are starting to realize that.
And once that really sets in, that you almost take away from Fauci and all these guys in the COVID regime, what was their most powerful propaganda line?
And what was that always?
Just 15 days, just till Easter.
Just get through this Thanksgiving.
Just get through this Christmas.
By next summer, it'll be fine.
Well, it'll actually be next year.
It'll be fine.
Once you start to realize that there is no carrot on the end of the stick, that you're never going to get that.
I think a lot of people start reassessing how they want to live their lives.
So that's kind of what I'm hopeful about.
It's kind of like at some point you got to get in the pool.
You just have to confront it.
You know, you can keep tiptoeing or you can just jump in and move on.
So I think people are starting to realize, oh, we got to move on.
Yeah, that's right.
Because are you really, it's much easier to get people to sign up for I'll stay home for 15 days than it is to say, I'll give up normal life forever and for my children and grandchildren.
That's a much different thing.
There's something that because now the freak out here is that they're actually acknowledging the fact that they don't know whether or not the vaccines are going to work for this variant.
Now, what's very interesting about that is that I had people come on my podcast, molecular biologist, a year ago and say, hey, Pfizer knows that this isn't going to work for variants.
It's a single spike, it's a single protein spike.
The virus mutates.
This is not going to, this was, believe me, Pfizer knew that.
They knew that this wasn't going to work for variants.
They knew that.
Now, here's what's so interesting about it not working for variants.
Their claim is that they can get a new vaccine out within 100 days.
So that means within 100 days, they can actually make it available.
But how long till that means that it's actually in everybody's arms?
And then how long until, and then if it's two weeks before it actually clicks and you have the full immunity from it.
So what are we actually looking at?
We're looking at four to five months before you've got everyone re-vaccinated.
And then how often are there new variants?
Isn't it just about every six months?
So it sounds to me like you're always going to be rolling out a shot that's six months behind whatever the active version of the virus is.
The point being, you don't have even if the vaccines worked, you don't have a working strategy with this single immunity protein spikes that are always going to lag behind variants.
It's not a working strategy.
Well, this is, and I'll tell you something, man.
This is something about that.
That's a great point.
And there's something about, so here's what I'm thinking.
And then I'm, I'm kind of scattered all over in my head.
I'll just start with what I'm thinking.
Okay.
And then I'll go to the bigger point I was trying to make because otherwise it seems like it's disconnected from what you're saying.
So I was talking to a doctor recently, not like a virologist or a or an epidemiologist, but just like a family doctor, but a doctor, you know, and I was asking him his thoughts on the vaccine.
And, you know, I've talked to a lot of doctors over the last few months.
But this one guy particularly, I was just talking to the other day about this new, this new strand, about Omnicopium.
And he, so he was like, I was like, so you recommend people get the vaccine?
And he was like, absolutely, 100%.
You have to get the vaccine.
And I was like, do you think this vaccine really works against this new strand?
And he was like, well, we don't know.
The truth is we don't know.
We just don't know yet.
Actually, but he's wrong because we do know that this has mutated significantly more than Delta.
I think the actual number of mutations is something in the 33 range.
The scientists themselves at Pfizer are saying we don't know yet, but it is unlikely that it will have the same in the 95%.
Your doctor friend's an idiot.
Put him on the phone with me.
Well, it's not even that he's an idiot.
He's a good doctor in his field.
You know what I mean?
But he's just not, you know, like, but anyway, so he, so he's just, you know, he's buying what the line is, which is what a lot of doctors do with this stuff is they trust the institutions.
They're like, well, yeah, look, they're telling.
But so anyway, but I go to him, I go, so he's recommending people get the vaccine.
I go, does the vaccine work against this new variant?
He goes, we don't know.
The truth is we just don't know at this point.
And then we're talking for another minute.
And he goes, well, you know, the reason why it's spreading through South Africa is because they're such low vaccination rates.
And I was like, but you just said we don't know if this vaccine works against this variant.
And he just kind of had a moment where he was kind of like, yeah, and he, I forget exactly what he said, but it was such a cop out.
You know, it was like, well, you know, it's all very complicated involved.
And you're like, so there's so many things like that.
Now, the point that I'm making right is that this guy isn't a bad doctor.
I know.
He's a very good doctor.
And in no other field would he have something that stupid to say and then have nothing.
But, and this is really a huge part of why I'm an anarchist is that politics just poisons everything.
And once even science, it's true with everything.
It's true with business and finance, like everything, everything.
Once it becomes related to what public policy should be, and then there's all of these different agendas in there and all of these different like state created organizations and experts, or even if they're not state-created, state-influenced institutions, everything just gets turned to shit.
So I remember, I don't know, I was just thinking of this, but so, you know, like just in general, like if you talk to scientists today, if you just went to like a university and went into like any like hard science field, go talk to some like physicist or something.
They're like the most brilliant geniuses imaginable.
They tell you everything that we know about physics at this point.
It just blow your mind.
Talk to some chemist and all of it will be like the absolute latest, you know, falsifiable, provable scientific realities that man has figured out and like all of this stuff.
And they're brilliant.
So I was at, when I was at, you know, the hospital for my son's surgery, who's doing great, by the way.
And thank you to everyone for all the letters and all that stuff.
Really heartwarming stuff that I've received.
I really appreciate it.
But it's really impressive.
Like it's just really impressive how amazing medical advances are.
I mean, the fact that like your kid can be born with a problem in his heart and they can open up a baby and fix his heart and sew him back up and everyone, you have all of these unbelievable experts, like brilliant, brilliant people, like pediatric cardiologists and, you know, the surgeons and just like all of these different people who are like just unbelievable, unbelievable geniuses.
And thank God they exist because they will save your kid's life.
And they did, save mine.
I'm very grateful to them.
And everything they do there is like, especially when you're talking about like the cardiac NICU unit and delivery of a woman who has a kid with this, they're so precise.
I mean, everything is so perfect.
And we do this and then we do this.
And they've thought through everything that they do and they monitor everything.
I mean, they're so on top of it.
Everything is science-based.
Everything.
If you ever ask, why are we doing this?
Why are we doing this?
Why are we giving him that?
Why are we doing it like this?
They always have the exact answer for you.
Here's why we're doing that.
Because this is why we do it.
Like everything has a perfect answer to it, except one thing.
One thing and one thing only, which was their COVID policy.
Like it's insane.
And they literally at one point, I go, they're, did I tell this on the show?
I don't know if I did or not, but they're, they, before my wife was giving birth.
And when you're giving birth to a kid who needs open heart surgery right now, like it's a whole setup, you know what I mean?
Like you're set up right there for the doctors to grab him right after your wife gives birth to him.
The Masked Baby Scare00:05:21
So before that, we have to wait for my wife's COVID test to come back in.
And they give her one of the, what's it called?
The what's the word?
The PH or the P, oh, Jesus, how am I blanking on this?
With the COVID test, the good one.
That usually takes like PCR.
PCR.
That's what I'm looking for.
Thank you, Rob.
That usually takes like three, four days, but they have their own lab there.
So you can get it back in like an hour.
But it took a while for them to get it back.
It took like two hours.
We're just sitting there waiting for two hours, you know?
And I'm like asking like one of the doctors.
And I'm like, so what are we like?
I was like, I just don't understand.
Like, what's the point of this?
And they're like, they're like, well, if she tests positive for, because, you know, I'm like, what if she tests positive for COVID?
What are you not, you're not going to have the baby now?
Are we not going to do the heart surgery now?
I'd be like, I think we're still going to do this, right?
So who cares?
And they go, well, if she has COVID, then we don't bring the baby up to the NICU.
We bring him down here to this little makeshift NICU that we have down here.
So he's not with all the other babies.
And I was like, wait, so if she has COVID, then the baby has COVID.
And they're like, no, no, we've actually never seen a case where the mother had COVID and then the baby also had COVID.
Like that's never happened.
And I was like, so then why do you do that?
And they were like, it's just like, that's just the procedure.
The only thing the entire time I was there, when I asked them a question and their response was, we have no reason for this.
This is ridiculous.
Yeah, it's just like, but it's so weird in a place of science where everything else is so smart.
And so then you're talking to these people and you're like, dude, you're a brilliant genius doctor.
Why are you going along with this?
And then, by the way, and I flipped out and they backed down on it.
I really flipped out.
They said that she had to wear a mask while delivering.
And I go, but she just got a negative COVID test.
Like she literally, we just got the negative results.
And I was like, so wait, explain this to me.
Like, why does she have to wear a mask if you know she's negative for COVID?
And they're like, I know it doesn't make any sense, but those are the rules.
And I was like, no, wait, you're telling me you're going to make her wear a mask through delivery?
And they back down on it.
Like, they just backed out.
It just didn't do it.
Like, and like, and it was really, it was one anesthesiologist who was like, just shut off.
I don't fucking, you know, it's not happening.
You know, it was just like one good dude who said, but anyway, so the point of this is, it's just like, man, this whole like, when there's this like political hysteria, it just poisons everything.
Even these people who are so smart and are so are really great scientific minds.
Like it's not like they really are.
These are brilliant doctors, but still they're just buying into bullshit.
So this is what you see happening right now.
There is no, I mean, absolutely, positively zero justification for the hysteria over this new variant.
None.
All of the early like firsthand reports, as you pointed out, should be everybody going, why were we so wrong with this?
Yes.
And why aren't we changing policies?
And how is it that you told us that these vaccines at first, first, it was that they were safe and effective.
Then it was, yes, there's going to be breakthrough cases, but magically, you're not going to be going sick and going to the hospital and the reporting is going to be screw screwy, but fine.
We'll take your word for it too.
Hey, we've got a new variant and we don't even know if the thing's going to work for it, but we're still recommending that everyone gets a booster shot.
Even though we don't have any, by the way, you know what the real end game here is?
It's that we're going to be in such an emergency situation that the prior testing that these vaccine companies were doing was already pretty laxed.
But now it's going to be an emergency to the point where they don't even need to test the new formulas.
We just got to get them out right away.
Yeah.
No, I think you're right.
And well, listen, it's not.
And the vaccine of all the predictions, which is what's funny because all of this hysteria, I mean, the state of emergency that was just declared in New York, right?
All of this stuff, it's all, there's no numbers to back it up.
There's no, it's not like, oh, like hospitalizations are getting this high.
Hospitalizations are crazy low right now.
It's not like there's any like thing like, oh my God, all these people are dying or anything like, oh my God, our, you know, there's a shortage in hospital beds or anything like that.
It's all based on predictions of what this new variant might do.
All right.
And have they been right about it?
Exactly.
You're like, you guys have been wrong about everything.
I mean, look, even just back a couple months ago about the Delta variant, they predicted this huge spike.
I mean, just look at, they were predicting a huge spike in October in New York of the Delta variant.
It just never came.
They predicted, you know, when Florida had its little mini spike, they predicted doom and gloom and all that.
It went away.
It resolved itself.
And none of that is true.
And of course, almost no one wants to talk about the role that natural immunity is playing in all of this, which the irony is that natural immunity actually does seem to be your best protection in general and also your best protection against future variants.
But that's neither here nor there, or actually it is here and there.
But regardless of that, you guys were wrong about lockdowns, mask mandates, like closing schools, all the stuff you just said about the vaccines and what the vaccines would lead to.
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I mean, they're wrong and wrong and wrong and wrong.
And then they're going to go, well, anyway, you know, we predict it's going to be bad.
So we're doing all these drastic, you know, taking all these drastic measures again.
It's, it's really something.
It's like this whole time.
It's just, it's, it's like living through a movie, but it's really like, you, I don't know, man.
I mean, look, I'm not saying like, oh, don't be worried about this.
You should be very worried about it.
But I do, I'll tell you, I feel somewhat positive about this.
Like, I think you start looking at things like you're like, yeah, this I don't think can work.
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This is how crazy the hysteria has gone.
I wanted to play this video.
My boy Clint, who was just on the show the other day, Clint Russell from Liberty Lockdown, he's the man.
Go check out his show.
He just tweeted this earlier and I saw it today because I had to watch.
I really, I used to, I really don't watch CNBC at all anymore.
But Jim Kramer is somehow still there.
And this was his video.
This is the money guy, who's, by the way, is not even good at that.
This is the money guy.
You tell me if this is sound analysis or like hysteria.
You tell me.
Lord knows what happened if you didn't partake.
But back then, anyone who refused to get vaccinated would get ratted out immediately because we knew that person could hurt other people.
The Commonwealth Wheel.
Now we're engaged in a similar struggle with COVID.
And Eisenhard would be aghast.
We have immunocompromised people who are incubators for every variant to come walking around lawfully unvaccinated.
That's psychotic.
We have companies that have tried hard to get people vaccinated and now backing down.
We have governors who want to be president by grandstanding on a foolish state's right issue, the right to get sick and get other people sick.
So it's time to admit that we have to go to war against COVID.
Vaccination universally.
Okay, so already.
I don't even know what to say there.
I guess I'll start at the end and work back.
It's time to go to war with COVID.
What have we been doing?
What has all of this been if not a war against COVID?
This is what was this?
We were just, what were these sanctions I've been living through the last 19 months?
He just has to sit together and work with the CNN people who are trying to make domestic terrorism out of the January 6 people.
And then if you can just start looking at everyone who hasn't been vaccinated, even though people who have been vaccinated also get sick and might even transmit the virus at higher rates because they think that they just have colds and they're not getting tested or because they actually shed at higher rates.
We don't know.
Unvaccinated or better receptacles or spreaders of Delta, but yet we need to go to war with individuals because they're acting in a free fashion.
It's really something to be like, he goes, Do you, he poses the question?
He goes, do you have a right to get sick and to get others sick?
It's like, okay, well, let's take that in two parts.
Number one, yes.
Do you have a right to get sick?
Like, what?
What does that even mean?
Of course you have a right to get sick.
Do you have a right to get other people sick?
I mean, I suppose there could be like some cases where you don't.
I mean, like, like, yeah, okay.
I mean, I don't know how you'd apply this principle, but yeah, okay, if you're, if you're HIV positive, I think you have to disclose that before you have sex with someone, right?
Like, if you know you have COVID and you go around intentionally coughing at other people's faces, I suppose maybe you could have an argument.
But like a right to get sick and get other people sick, just broadly speaking, like you want to criminalize that?
Like remove COVID from the situation.
You just, you want to criminalize people getting sick and then getting sick with something contagious where someone else catches it.
And of course, to your point, it's like, well, I guess you actually do believe people have a right to get sick and get other people sick, but only if they've gotten the big pharma shot first.
Then I guess they do have a right to be sick and get other people sick.
A weird, creepy, authoritarian thing to throw out there.
Do you have a right to get sick?
Hmm.
Okay.
All right.
So he wants a society where we're ratting on everybody else who doesn't have the vaccine.
I mean, they're just openly encouraging it at this point.
And for all his shit, it's just so funny to be like, where he's like, you got a governor down in Florida who's running on a state's rights issues and saying you have a right to get sick and all of this.
It's like, wow.
So I bet his state's doing much, much, much worse than everyone else, right?
So just show me.
Like, really break this down and show it to me.
I bet way more people in Florida have died than any other state.
Right?
South Dakota, Texas, and Florida.
They're just bodies on the side of the road.
Yeah, it's not just that, but the winter stats.
You know what they didn't tell you throughout the entire summer is that Florida and Texas have reverse seasonality because it's hot and more people are indoors.
So just wait till it's cold here.
And we're going to be putting up stats that dwarf anything that happened down there.
Yeah.
No, you're absolutely right about that.
All right.
So let's keep playing from this.
Have the military run it.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, you better be ready to prove your conscientious objector status in court.
And even then, you need to help in the war effort by staying home until we finally beat this thing.
Okay, so there you go.
So there's, and there's, in case you thought I was maybe being hyperbolic when I said this is authoritarian talk, he goes right into his pondering of do you have a right to get sick?
You know, how we figure this out, let the military run it.
What could go wrong with that?
So let the military run it.
And then you have to prove your conscious objection status in a court.
Oh, that's easy.
And until then, what do you have to do?
You just have to stay home.
Now, keep in mind, it's like just stay home was one thing in March of 2020.
We just need you to stay home for 15 days.
But you're telling people in what is almost December of 2021, just stay home.
Like as if that's an option.
But what do you mean, just stay home?
Can people get food?
Can people, I mean, like, it's just the level of hysteria over this over a new variant that, as you mentioned earlier today, from most of the firsthand reports, the people in South Africa who are treating this are saying, eh, seems less deadly, which could change.
We don't know yet.
Yeah, no, we don't know.
Seems less deadly.
Not really sure if more or less contagious.
And that's that.
So we're at a place now where there is no reason to panic.
And of course, they jump into like full-fledged, you know, complete hysterical.
Let the military run everything and you have to stay home if you're unvaccinated.
Even though we don't even have any solid evidence to show like the, that the vaccines are effective against this.
Well, I mean, here's how Asina and his claim is.
One, so what about everyone who has natural immunity because they've actually had corona?
So they're the safest to be around, especially considering the fact that we don't know to what extent the vaccines are even going to work for new variants.
So you're going to stick the military on them for what reason?
Unless it's because you're just being authoritarian and you want everyone to have this vaccine so that there's no track record in the future when there are problems that develop from it theoretically.
I'm just saying, what exactly is your end goal here other than just being a complete authoritarian and making sure that there's no individual who remains unvaccinated when anyone who has natural immunity is significantly safer to be around than somebody who's been vaccinated?
Well, listen, you have to understand, right, that Jim Kramer is, he's making predictions, okay?
And he's making predictions about how bad a virus is going to be.
Now, that's not his area of expertise.
He's a money guy, okay?
But he's willing to make predictions in virology.
Okay.
He's a money guy.
Now, his predictions in money were in 2008 that the big financial companies all looked solid.
Just so you know that, how good this guy is at predictions in his own field.
He was literally telling people to buy Bear Stearns.
He wiped me out in high school.
Two months before Bear Stearns crashed, he was telling people on his show, buy Bear Stearns.
This is a great deal.
It was like, I can't remember.
Jon Stewart did a great piece on this back in the day, but it was like $65 a share or something like that.
And he was like, I got to buy this.
This is an unbelievable deal.
So that's him making predictions in his field that he's supposed to, nobody's talking about it.
But that won't stop him.
I won't stop him from jumping over here.
Dude, Jim Kramer wiped me out in high school.
I used to listen to his radio show.
Yeah, it's been like my entire summer paycheck.
It's like General General Motors.
The old saying was: if General Motors goes, the economy goes.
I thought I was a slick high school kid.
I mean, it was like three grand, but three grand 20 years ago, you know, a lot more than three grand now, that's for sure.
That also is a lot to a high school kid.
Yeah, dude, I was a thrifty little Jew boy.
Put it all away.
Didn't spend $1 of it.
Yeah.
So that was in the 2008.
Oh, yeah.
Bankrupt.
Goodbye.
Signar, retirement.
Haven't invested since.
Said fuck it.
That was my lesson.
No, but I mean, like, it's just something to be like, you know, to be a guy who's a financial analyst who didn't see the biggest financial event of your lifetime coming, now going and making these predictions about other fields and not just making predictions, but then advocating on your television show for like quasi-martial law and, you know, suspension of all rights for the unvaccinated.
Just be advocating based on your predictions in this field now, not even predictions in your own field, which you suck at making predictions.
Well, in traditional TV roles, you can be consistently wrong on everything and it doesn't matter.
You can get a bunch of collusion wrong for years.
Unbelievable.
Coronavirus is wrong.
You can get everything wrong.
It doesn't matter.
It really is something.
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Wuhan Lab Gain Function00:11:23
All right, let's get back into the show.
Okay, so I wanted to also play this clip from over the weekend with Fauci was on Face the Nation.
People have been enjoying this a lot.
Of course, as all this hysteria is going on, we got to get our chief hysteric, Dr. Fauci, to come on.
And just to pay attention, the reason why I thought this was such a beautiful moment is if you just think again about, you know, when I say the corporate press is the enemy of the people, when I talk about the massive propaganda campaign that's been going on this last year, and this is one of the things that's really interesting, right?
I was talking about this when I was on Tim Poole's show the other day, right?
Is like, or not the other day, it was a couple of months ago, sorry.
I was saying like, you know, one of the things that is encouraging to me about the future of the country, right, is that like you can, you know, they have this new thing now, and this is going to be part of the hysteria now.
Censorship is going to ramp up.
And who knows how long before we get hit with it?
You know what I mean?
Like, who knows how long I'm on Twitter and we're on YouTube and all of this stuff.
Your YouTube channel's already dealt with some of this shit.
Our Facebook group got fucking banned.
Like, we've had a little bit, but we haven't been like really brought down.
But even if they do, they take us out.
And I said this to Tim Poole.
I go, so they take you out, Tim Poole.
What about like the million people who are listening to your show?
What do you think those, what do you think?
They just go back to CNN.
You think they just go from Tim Poole?
You think like if they took Rogan out, the 10 million people that listen to him are just like, well, okay, I'll just listen to Don Lemon.
Do you think that's where they're going?
And it's like, we all of us, like in our own different ways, have made such a devastating case that the corporate press is corrupt and dishonest.
And that's kind of the through line.
Like, like me and, you know, like a lot of these other guys, we may not all have the same politics.
I mean, there are some people who like, like Malice and me have very, very similar political, you know, views.
Me and you have very similar political views.
Me and Tom Woods have very similar political views.
But all of these different guys who are out there who have big platforms, there's a whole lot of them.
The common thread amongst almost all of them is that their audience knows that the corporate press is lying to them.
That's like some and so just to keep building that devastating case.
If nothing else, I want to make sure when my time is gone, you know, I want to make sure that I convince as many people as possible that, you know, to like all the shit I love, believe in human liberty and free markets and peace and, you know, oppose the military industrial complex, all this shit, but that the corporate press is lying and not to be trusted.
Just imagine, okay?
Just think about what this country has been through over the last 19 months.
Was it 20 months now?
I get confused since March of 2020.
And what that this guy has been the chief like architect of all of that.
And that there's all of these accusations out there against him.
And look at the way he's interviewed, the way they talk to him.
And tell me this is not propaganda.
Tell me this is not trying to prop this guy up.
This is actually a journalist asking questions of him.
Let's start.
It's about things that are just not true.
This is a political football, right?
Oh, it is a total political football.
Total.
And you take the fire specifically for this.
I do this.
I do.
All the time.
There's a congressional act with your name on it.
Yes.
Literally.
Exactly.
And it's just a lot of, well, anyway.
Finish this up.
No, there's a lot of politicization of that.
And I think there's a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies about that.
And that's really unfortunate.
You're angry about it.
Well, you know, my concern that I keep saying is that my job is to do what I can as a scientist to preserve and protect the health of the American public and indirectly in many respects, the health of the world, because our country is a leader.
Okay, let's pause it already for a second.
Now, if you, first off, even just the way she's asking that, you know, it's other questions like, and how do you feel?
You're angry about that.
You don't feel nice about that.
She's laughing and she goes, she goes, you're like kind of bill, like trying to investigate you.
And the fact that you'd let this guy get away with saying, well, there's a lot of politicization of it.
You know, things have gotten really politicized.
But I'm just, I'm just the guy who just cares about people.
I'm just the health of the Americans, the health of the world.
I am just animated every day by what's good and right.
And these guys are like politicized.
Except your job has been doling out government money to giant pharmaceutical companies.
Now, how exactly do you get to have that job?
And then I'm talking about his job at the NIH.
Like, this is what he's done his whole life is basically like, who gets the government money?
What lab gets some money?
What organization gets some money?
What pharmaceutical company gets some money?
This is what he does.
And the idea that you get to have that job and then also claim that you're above the fray, like, but this, none of this is political.
I just operate that way and get no pushback on this position.
Like, he's just, oh, there's a lot of, there's all this misinformation about me.
Misinformation.
After everything this guy has pushed on the American people, he's going to call others out for misinformation.
Anyway, okay, let's go back to it.
A leader in the kinds of things.
Where did these vaccines come from that are saving millions of people?
They came from us.
That's my job.
The politization of it is really unfortunate because, as I've said, I've stayed away from politics my entire life.
I am somebody who only cares about science and health.
And it is, you're right.
It's painful and disturbing to see when you're trying to focus all of your attention on doing what you can do, the way we did to create the vaccines, to develop the drugs, to save millions of lives.
And then you have this completely outlandish politization of it, politization of everything, politization of the public health, politization of the origins, politization of all of it is really, I think, when we look back at this.
All right, let's let's just pause it already for a second.
Yeah, well, I do agree with that last sentence that we're going to look back on this and think about what we were thinking.
Let me just say, this dude is like a fucking authoritarian sociopath, like a truly bad person who is, you know, while he's saying he's, he's like not politicized, he is the most political creature you could imagine.
I mean, this guy is getting up there and going, first off, just the assertion that we save millions of lives, absolute bullshit, absolute bullshit.
Their policies have cost more lives than they have saved.
But just think about the nerve of just being like, a couple things here.
Think about the nerve of just being like, oh man, this is like, oh, now you're politicizing this when I'm just saving everybody's life.
And you're like, dude, you have recommended the most draconian policies in modern American history by far.
Like just overhauling the entire, not just economy, but every like societal norm, just overhauling them.
But you're above pushback.
You're above anybody arguing against that.
That's just politicization.
That's just, oh, no, you're not allowed to, you have to accept that I'm just the good guy doing all this.
And then when he actually introduces even the, however, he said it, he goes, even the theories on the origin of the virus have become politicized.
Dude, he himself admitted that he couldn't rule out the Wuhan lab.
After first saying that was crazy and all the scientific evidence pointed against it, he later walked it back and admitted that he can't rule that out.
Okay.
So just based on that, the idea of like, like trashing people who brought that up as an issue is just, wow, that like, yo, you, that dude's a real deal, like fucking con artist level shit that you'd get up there and just say, oh, but I'm just the good guy who cares about science.
Bullshit.
Yeah.
Also, just working.
The guy who just cares about health and science is probably not in charge of a government agency, right?
When you're the most highly paid government official and you dictate a lot of what's happening in the political arena to then say, hey, don't politicize what I'm doing, it's like a real, it's just a real bitch move.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, just to be like, look, if you were an honest person, like on any level, you have any type of like, you know, it's like, and this is part of the thing where it's like, in a way, I'm kind of happy because this is why it doesn't persuade people.
And this is why he won't put people back in his camp who already don't like him.
But you would think like, if you were an honest person at all, you'd go like, okay, look, let's say you believe what Fauci believes.
You'd say, okay, look, the gain of function that we were funding indirectly at the Wuhan lab is not the gain of function research that led to COVID.
You know?
But given that now it's a possibility that the virus came from that lab, I understand where that looks really bad.
And I understand where people, you know, think there's something like pernicious going on there.
But let me just like explain it to you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you'd at least grant that you're like, look, I understand when I'm asking everybody to give up so much.
Some of them are going to think like, whoa, this is like can't be right.
But here's the deal.
Like, it's not even like he feels like he has to make his case.
It's this like unbelievable superiority that, look, to even question me is to be down here with the people playing politics, whereas I float above all of that and am just a creature, like an angelic creature who just wants to help and save everybody.
And I'm just in the business of saving millions of lives and you're just in the business of being dishonest bastards who want to tear me down.
Motherfucker, you signed off on gain of function research being legal after the Obama administration barred it.
You funded the Wuhan lab where this thing likely came from.
If you're at all an honest person, at the minimum, at the minimum, you go, I get where that looks bad.
I get where some people might have an issue with that.
Political Theater Accusations00:17:43
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All right, let's keep going.
What was going on back then?
The two Washington Post reporters said that back in July of 2020, you had been speaking to your wife about resigning.
I never spoke to my wife ever about resigning.
They got that wrong.
I never even considered for a moment of resigning.
Never considered it for a moment.
Not even for a second.
Too many lives to save.
She thought about it almost daily.
Ultimately, didn't.
Dr. Burks is Dr. Burks, and Tony Fauci is Tony Fauci.
Why do you feel so strongly about that, about staying on the job when you say we're going to save lives?
Personally, not just rhetorically, threatened your security, your safety, your family.
How did you deal with that?
I dealt with it by focusing on what my job is.
From the time that I went into medicine to right now, where I am at my age, my job has been totally focused on doing what I can with the talents and the influence I have to make scientific advances to protect the health of the American public.
So anybody who spends lies and threatens and all that theater that goes on with some of the investigations and the congressional committees and the Rand Pauls and all that other nonsense, that's noise, Margaret.
That's noise.
I know what my job is.
Senator Cruz told the Attorney General you should be prosecuted.
Yeah.
I'd have to laugh at that.
I should be prosecuted.
What happened on January 6th, Senator?
Look at his eyes there.
Yeah.
I mean, what a just like pathetic, but this is, I'll tell you, man, this stuff like encourages me because like, what a pathetic deflection that was.
Like, what?
That's, you're really, we're really going to hold on to this.
That that's oh, that's so much worse than completely changing the course of American history.
Oh, but what about that?
And first of all, what does that have to do?
It's a complete like, like, what?
Okay, even if you thought that was a crime, so why are you laughing at the idea that you could be prosecuted?
Like, so bizarre.
He makes the it's almost an accusation as if Ted Cruz led the charge on January 6th.
Like, I should be prosecuted.
That guy did January 6th.
He had nothing to do with January 6th.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, maybe, I mean, as a theoretical, you could go January 6th was a problem for, because they love it, a threat to our democracy.
And then also having people getting in front of Congress and lying about, you know, funding labs that might be bioweapons research for the Communist China Party.
That's a problem too.
We should investigate both.
And it's so funny, too, that he's like, oh, the Rand Paul thing is all theater.
When at almost every one of their confrontations, Rand Paul has been proven right a matter of weeks later.
Like, the track record is three out of three.
It's just unbelievable.
Oh, but that was all, that's all, that's just noise.
You know, this guy who's always badgering me and constantly write about everything.
You know how to listen to that guy.
Come listen to me.
It's really good theater where the other guy keeps winning and being right and you keep being wrong.
Yeah, it's like actually a pretty good thing.
It is theater.
I mean, that is true, by the way.
It is political theater.
This interview is political theater.
All of it is.
But the Rand Paul stuff is at least really good political theater.
That's really satisfying.
All right, let's keep playing.
About making you a scapegoat to deflect President Trump.
Of course.
You have to be asleep not to figure that one out.
By the way, just pause already.
This is the point I'm trying to make here.
Think about that question.
Think about your follow-up question after someone's, they're saying this guy should be prosecuted and bringing up these, you know, Rand Paul Grillingham where Rand Paul was right about all this stuff.
And what's her next question?
Are you a scapegoat?
Because really Donald Trump's the bad man?
But do they want to blame you even though we all know Donald Trump?
I mean, like, come on, dude.
Like, just pathetic.
By the way, Donald Trump deserves nothing but intense criticism for keeping this guy on the job the entire time.
The entire time he was president.
That's how useless of a president Donald Trump was.
He couldn't even fire Fauci, let alone prosecute him.
So all he had to do was just fire him once.
But he was scared to take the hits.
You know, so this won't play well.
So he didn't.
And he just let him do this to the American people.
Well, I don't know, dude.
It's like you've gotten out there and reveled in the fact that you've been on television every day since this thing began and you've made yourself the face of, you know, fighting this virus.
So like, yeah, you take a lot of the criticism when the policies that you've been recommending have failed spectacularly.
That's life.
All right, let's keep lying.
A lot of Republican senators taking aim at this.
I mean, that's okay.
I'm just going to do my job and I'm going to be saving lives and they're going to be lying.
It just, it seems another layer of danger to play politics around matters of life and death.
Exactly.
So now her questions are.
So her questions now are, aren't these guys over here so bad?
Aren't the people who are questioning you so dangerous?
That's what you would ask.
Because the fabric of our democracy is supposed to be one centralized person making a decision for everybody.
And so how can we have a democracy where people are going to willing to just question the centralized?
I think what you're describing is a different political system.
That's not the political system we're supposed to have where just one guy waves a wand.
Yeah, like so why are we everybody?
So what really was so concerning about January 6th to you guys, just that a different like, you know, authoritarian would be installed.
That's, that's your big threat, that the illusion of democracy perhaps would be crumbling.
But, you know, it's the idea that, you know, if you had any type of honest journalism, then they'd be adversarial and they would be, look, if, if they were interviewing Rand Paul and they didn't ask him tough questions, they wouldn't be doing their job.
You know what I mean?
Like they should, you should be adversarial to whoever is in that seat.
I don't say you have to be a dick or you don't have to be me, but like you should be, you know, asking very difficult questions of this person.
And there's a lot of really difficult questions for Fauci that you could ask.
I mean, just look how many of his prescribed policies have not worked.
How many of them have gotten results that were the opposite of what he said?
How many, you know, and then of course all the connections and the corruption and all that stuff.
But for her question to him to be like, isn't it so dangerous of these other guys to question you?
Go ahead.
Hey, this isn't a question.
This is just setting him up.
This is just like, we're on a team together.
I'm going to carry you through this thing and go.
But I got to say, what encourages me is that they're just not very good at it.
They're not very good at it.
If they were better at it, what they'd want is for her to ask something that seems like a tough question that he could knock out of the park.
That's a let me coach you, monsters, on how to propagandize people.
That would be a better way to do it to appear to be oppositional to him and then let him win every time.
That would be a better way to do it.
This is just like so obvious and transparent for everyone to say.
All right, let's keep playing to me.
That's that's unbelievably bad because all I want to do is save people's lives.
That's what I haven't mentioned that for the last 50 years, 40 of which was 37 of which was leading the Institute.
And when I see people who scatter around misinformation and lies that can actually endanger the lives of people, but also it is very easy to pick out an individual and make them a target because that's what people can focus on.
But you're talking about systems.
You're talking about the CDC.
You're talking about the FDA.
You're talking about science in general.
So if they want to, I mean, anybody who's looking at this carefully realizes that there's a distinct anti-science flavor to this.
So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's going to know what they're talking about.
But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there, there's a face, there's a voice you can recognize.
You see him on television.
So it's easy to criticize, but they're really criticizing.
All right, we got to dip into this.
It's so infuriating.
There it is.
There's the line.
They're really criticizing science.
Dr. Truth Science at it again.
Go ahead, Rob.
Well, I thought I'm not a scientist.
I didn't pay attention to science classes, but I thought it was like you bring a hypothesis, then you get some proofs, then people ask questions, then you got to prove your theory.
So it would be very scientific to go, hey, we're looking at evidence that's contrary to what you're claiming.
Why are you implementing these policies contrary to evidence?
That sounds like that would be the scientific process.
It sounds to me, though, when you got one guy who said, hey, I'm God.
And because I've said it, that's science.
That would be the antithesis of what science is.
Yes, that's exactly right, Rob.
When you, and I'm glad you use the term God, because that's really, I mean, that's like you really see the narcissism on display here.
I mean, what else can you say about that?
But when you say my declarations, that anybody who is questioning my declarations is actually attacking science and that these institutions created by the government, the CDC and the FDA, these are science.
I am science.
And everyone who's criticizing me, it's just what there's an anti-science flavor.
And anyone who's seriously looked at this, anyone who seriously looked at this knows that, that people who criticize me are anti-science.
And my definition of anyone who's seriously looked at this are the people who agree with me and are a part of these institutions, by the way.
So if you say that, my declarations cannot be challenged.
What you're talking about is not science anymore.
I said, I'm no scientist, but I know that ain't science.
That sure as hell ain't science.
Science isn't the CDC anymore than education is the Department of Education.
You know what I'm saying?
Like this is an unbelievably, it's a profoundly religious way to look at things.
And that's not a knock on religion.
I'm just knocking this particular religion.
But it is a religious way to look at things, that my decrees are not to be questioned.
And that even questioning those decrees is itself evidence that you do not believe in everything good and virtuous.
Notice what's missing here in this interview.
That hasn't happened once.
And this is what's like infuriating.
And this is, this is kind of what I was getting at in the world of like the alternative media, like a show like ours, right?
And there's way bigger shows in the alternative media world or whatever you want to put us in, just the political commentary space.
We're the best and most consistent.
By far.
But this goes without saying, everyone listening already knows that.
But if you ever heard us doing a segment about this, what's missing here that we would obviously do?
All he's talking about, what he said, you have these short segments on TV.
This is a long segment for a TV show.
It's nothing like what you get to do on the internet shows like we have here, but this is long for a TV show.
And not once, not once throughout this whole thing, have you heard simply, this is what they're saying, and here's why they're wrong.
Am I wrong about that?
Has there been one time that Fauci has said a single thing?
Well, this is what the accusation is, but look at all this evidence.
Think about this logically.
This is why they're wrong.
Not once, not even approaching it, not even pretending to grapple with the idea that anyone is suggesting anything.
Like, not one.
Like, it's like, well, people say that the lockdown had all of these other, you know, like costs to it.
Like, there were all these other negative externalities associated with lockdowns, like child obesity going up and, you know, suicides and all of this stuff, and the economy being destroyed.
And all the money printing led to inflation.
So it wasn't really worth the lives.
Like, just take one.
There's never one time where he's like, well, that's what people are arguing, but here's why they're wrong about that.
And if me and you were ever doing a segment about people who are criticizing us, let alone trying to prosecute us or anything like that, you know, that's all we would do the whole time.
It'd be like, well, here's their argument, and here's why we think we're right.
Here's our argument.
He hasn't done that once.
Yet in this short segment, the head scientist who represents truth and science, he gets on television and he's already told me six times that all he cares about is saving lives.
Like six different times.
He's just going to let you know what a great person he is.
Well, okay, you know what you don't care about winning arguments because you're not even interested in engaging in them.
And that doesn't seem super scientific to me.
Like that you just, what's scientific about just getting on there and anointing yourself, Mr. Science, and telling everyone what a wonderful person you are.
And everyone who challenges you has all of these alternate ulterior motives.
And never once, like none of them even feel it's like, and this is what I was saying about all of the alternative shows.
Yes, we're more correct than the rest of them on our arguments, even though a lot of them are really great people.
But the people listening to it care about that.
They actually want to hear what the argument is that's a counter argument to them.
I'm not saying they're always hearing perfect arguments.
I'm not saying we always give perfect arguments, just almost always, but they want to hear that.
And this is just propaganda.
And it's like, you haven't even approached it.
Not once.
Am I crazy, dude?
Not once throughout this whole thing have they once said, well, here's the claim about you.
Let's take that on.
It's just people are challenging you.
Well, I just have to, I just have to laugh at that.
Oh, man, these people challenge me.
I mean, this is just, it's just not science.
It's just, I'm trying to save people.
And what they're doing is just, it's just horrible.
And they want to prosecute you.
That's just noise.
But it's never one time even approaching kind of like, well, here's what they're saying.
Like, here's what they're saying.
What's your response?
That's what like journalism would look like.
You don't even have to, she doesn't even have to be aggressive.
She could just be like, even approach it from the area of like, well, obviously you have to respond to this.
So what's your response?
Nothing, not once.
Just ends with, and I declare myself Dr. Truth Science.
I mean, this is some really, it's like, it's some cult shit.
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That's what it is.
It's some cult shit.
He's established that he is the great leader.
He is the great one.
He is not to be questioned.
And anyone who does question him is on the evil, you know, like blasphemous team.
Now, follow your leader, Dr. Fauci, and everybody drink your Kool-Aid, which is like your next round of lockdowns and vaccinations or whatever the fuck.
But I don't know.
It's just something.
It's something to behold.
I love your Fauci impression.
You got to bust it out more.
Fauci.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
I try and do it.
I just end up in Bernie Sanders space, but you got that down, dude.
It's different.
It's different.
It's like the Bernie Sanders.
There's listen, the Ginzo and Jew impression has some overlap.
I say this as a Jew who's married to an Italian who is made two Havzies.
There is some overlap.
But the Bernie Sanders is more like, we need the minimum wage and we need this.
And also, my coffee came not that hot.
And, you know, the soup is bland.
We raise the minimum wage.
The soup won't be so bland.
It's a little more yogi bear in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My Bernie's not perfect, but Fauci, yeah, no Fauci.
I don't know.
I'm not really a voice guy, but yeah, I did get the Fauci one.
All right.
Anyway, all right.
Are we, how are we doing on time here?
I guess we'll wrap it up there.
Fauci.
So he's the next episode.
We got we got good leftovers.
We got Rand Paul's and Ted Cruz's response.
Oh, yeah.
Chris Cuomo stepping down from CNN, not stepping down, but he didn't step down, buddy.
Yeah, temporarily suspended.
Did you guys foul for him a little bit on that one?
And I hate Chris Cuomo, but it's just from it all.
Well, okay, fine.
But I just really.
He's such a bully.
It's like, it's nice to actually see him kind of to whatever extent.
It's nice.
It's nice to see him go down.
He deserves to go down.
But it is funny that for all the shit he should have gone down for, he goes down for like just trying to be to his brother.
Just being like, I don't know, dude.
It's funny.
It's like for all the shit Cuomo did the thing he goes down for and for all the shit.
For all the shit Andrew did, he goes down for and for all the shit Chris does.
This is what he goes down for.
Anyway, yeah, we talk about that.
We get in the maxwell trial a little bit.
Yeah.
See, we'll talk all about that on the next episode.