Dave Smith and the hosts dissect Sarah Silverman's viral proposal for a peaceful U.S. "national divorce" amidst deep cultural fractures over vaccine mandates, citing Soviet dissolution as proof of feasibility. They condemn General Milley's alleged warning to China about potential nuclear strikes as treasonous insubordination against the Commander-in-Chief, contrasting it with claims that Donald Trump faced similar undermining by unelected bureaucrats. The discussion exposes institutional hypocrisy, noting Democrats' double standards in supporting figures like Nicki Minaj only when they align with party messaging, ultimately arguing that abandoning procedural norms for a "might makes right" game threatens national survival through unchecked federal overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Next Enemy00:14:56
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Well, there's a video going around.
I wanted to start with this.
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Yeah, you know, we always do.
Fucking COVID Jesus, Libertarian 2.
Nice to meet you guys.
So there's this video going around and we have a couple times.
A lot of people are commenting on it.
Obviously, we all and everybody who listens to this show probably are the types who would find it really interesting.
But the Sarah Silverman video.
And we've responded to, I think, two Sarah Silverman videos in the past, being critical of her take.
Although I always do preface by saying I was a real fan of old school Sarah Silverman.
I don't know, but if...
Ooh, she's pissed at me for, I mean, I don't, sorry, I don't care for your new stuff.
Anyway, I was a big fan of old school Sarah Silverman.
I always thought she was very funny.
A great, rest in peace, Norm McDonald.
Do you remember that?
That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
Diarrhea story?
No, no, no.
It's one of the funniest things I've ever heard him say.
I think he was on some radio show.
Might have been Stern.
I don't remember.
But he goes, ah, Sarah Silverman.
I mean, she's fantastic.
She's just so funny.
I mean, who's funnier than Sarah Silverman besides every dude?
Great, great.
Rest in peace, Norm McDonald.
Anyway, so she made this video on a topic that I have been talking about for years at this point.
I mean, well over a decade.
I've been talking about this publicly.
And I've talked about this on cable news shows and off air, also just to a lot of like pundits and cable news and kind of made this case that I do think a national divorce is probably the most reasonable option for the United States of America right now.
But what's really interesting about this clip is that you have somebody who's a Hollywood progressive type who's just thinking about these ideas.
And to give her credit, she's trying to think this through logically.
The idea has popped in her mind.
And now she's almost like, well, why wouldn't this be the correct thing?
And you get to kind of watch her think out loud about it.
So let's play that clip and then let's talk about it a little bit.
I mean, this may be a negative thought, but or maybe a positive one.
I don't know.
But if people aren't getting along, like in relationship, they break up, you know?
So like, why don't we just finally just realize that this these states aren't working and like divide up into like two or three countries of like USA one and USA two and they can be USA one like the conservatives can be USA one because they love being number one and that it means something to them and I'd love to have that be theirs.
They can be USA one, will be USA two and we'll be allies and you'll come over here and we'll go over there.
And you know, when you come to certain many times, when you go to a different country, you have to get a vaccine.
That's that by the end of the question, by the end of my answer.
I have no idea what the question was.
I don't think I'm anywhere near it.
Click on the link in my.
You don't have to click on that link.
The point is that I thought that was just an interesting moment and what's what's uh, even more interesting is how viral it went.
Just on that, just on like a, I think, less than a minute of Sarah Silverman just pondering why on earth we're a country.
And isn't that in itself just something?
That someone, you're a part of a nation, and someone throws out the, the question why?
Very basic question that any nation should be able to answer, why, why are we one nation?
Don't you have something for that?
I mean, if you were to ask anyone, you know, if you were to say like, why is Italy Italy and France France, I mean you i'm sure they'd have some type of answer for you.
I, the one that comes to mind quickest is like we speak Italian and they speak French.
There's probably a lot more, I don't know.
They have their cheese with their bread and we have our pasta with our sauce, or whatever the hell.
I don't know a lot about the world.
The point is they have an answer, I think, but it's really something to throw that out there and right away.
You're gonna see that there's really.
I don't know that anyone could come up with a reason other than it's America.
But what is America these days?
Sure as hell ain't the same thing.
It was when I was a kid, and why is it if we've gotten to this point?
Like look, you could say that we've always had many different cultures, like when I was a kid.
It's not as if, you know, Brooklyn and Hawaii had the same culture.
They're very different, but Hawaii didn't complain about Brooklyn's culture back then.
Yeah, Hawaii shut the fuck up and stayed where it's supposed to be, in the middle of the ocean.
Sorry Hawaii, I wasn't.
I really have nothing against them.
They're not really part of this problem.
Um, but you get my point, Right?
That it's like, oh, there's all these different cultures, but I don't know, we're joined together by this thing.
We all kind of to some degree believe in it.
And that's kind of it.
And sometimes there is power in just believing in something.
And there's, you know, like if you think about something like a company, right?
Like Gas Digital, this company that we're at, we're all kind of here.
We're voluntarily participating in it.
And yeah, okay, there's sure there is a legal piece of paper that says we're an incorporated company, but that really has very little to do with why Gas Digital should stay together and not break up.
It's kind of what it's really about is that we all buy into it.
We all believe in it.
We all believe, yeah, we're a part of this network and I want to do this part in it for this reward or whatever.
You can have all of these different cultures if there is just kind of this belief that, well, it's because we're America and we at least have like a few things that we believe in that we really did.
When I was a kid, like on a very deep-rooted level, we all believed, at least in abstraction, it's a free country.
That was kind of an idea.
You know, I don't know why I use this example all the time, but just like if you come into a bar and you'd be like, you mind if I sit here and be like, it's a free country.
You know, it's just kind of a thing.
You said, like, it's a free country.
That was just in.
Now, they didn't really mean freedom in the pure Rothbardian sense that we might want it to be free.
You're like, yeah, well, did you need a liquor license before you open this bar that you ain't free?
But, you know, kind of felt like people could say what they wanted to say.
You could, you know, there was some belief in that.
It's all gone now.
And it's one thing to say, oh, we have these different cultures.
That's okay.
You could have different cultures and still be part of one nation.
But if those cultures hate each other's guts, like one side thinks that the other side are like Nazis or pretty damn close to it, if not that.
That side wants the other side to, I mean, you know, we've talked about before on the show, like what really would be supported to be done to unvaccinated people.
And there's a lot.
There's a lot that they would support.
Certainly, tens of millions of Americans would support your livelihood being ruined, your freedom to travel being restricted, clearly, right?
Like in these big cities, right?
That's literally happening as we speak.
And the other side, sure as hell, doesn't not resent it.
And they're not, it's not like Red State America is too happy with any of any of the liberal states.
So what's the argument for why they should be together?
You know, there's something that we, I think, in many ways take for granted that is just kind of, it's taken as a given that like after, say, 9-11, when New York City is attacked, that some country boy from Kansas will go and fight and die in the Middle East over New York City being attacked.
Now, I know they weren't fighting the people who attacked them and they were all just bankers' wars and all of that.
But I'm just saying in that kid's mind, they weren't.
In his mind, he was going to fight because someone attacked America.
And downtown Manhattan might be crazy different than Kansas, where I'm from, but that's America.
And you attacked America.
We take that as kind of a given.
We're one country.
But that's not a given.
This is a very big country.
Most are not this big.
Why do we have to be one?
Why is it better for us to be one?
Why?
You know, people are, a lot of people, I think, are really sick of the culture war shit.
Just sick of it.
I mean, I guess everyone, I'm probably no exception to this, get off on it to some degree.
Get off on the social media fights and things like that.
But after a while, you're just kind of sick of it.
It's like, man, it's like, there's this whole group of people who think you're a fucking Nazi, a whole group of people who think you're like a godless fucking commie.
And sure, the second group's right.
But the point is that after a while, you're like, it is like Sarah Silverman said, and I've been making this comparison for years now.
It's a marriage where two people hate each other.
And by the way, I'm not a big believer in divorce in terms of marriages, particularly those where they have children.
Now, I'm not saying there's no situation where a divorce is justified, but in general, I think if you have children, divorce should be looked down on.
And it shouldn't just be like, eh, we're throwing our hands up and getting divorced.
I think it's bad for kids and all of that stuff.
If you don't have kids, I guess I really don't have such strong feelings about it.
But if you hate each other, like you hate each other, and you think the other one is responsible for everything wrong in your life, and they feel the same.
The answer there is obvious.
The answer is a divorce and hopefully the most peaceful divorce possible.
That it's like, listen, hey, we all didn't hate each other once.
Remember that?
All right.
Why do we really hate each other now?
Let's go our separate ways.
If you're so convinced that the fucking not having vaccine passports and all this shit is going to lead to your death, well, then let's, they don't believe you.
They don't agree with you.
Let's go see if that's the case.
Let's try it that way.
You know, the most common objection that I get to this is that secession can end in violence and that there could theoretically be a war that breaks out between the countries after they've seceded.
That certainly could happen.
And that would be very, very bad.
That'd be worst case scenario, right?
So I will grant that worst case scenario is a non-peaceful breakup, something like what we saw.
Look, the only time we ever had a civil war, a hot civil war in this country, was because one part of the country tried to secede.
Now, the slavery thing aside, however you feel about that, that is what happened the last time a big chunk of the country tried to secede.
And to skip over that, you know, the South was very much trying to protect slavery.
The North couldn't give two shits about abolishing slavery, at least at the time.
That's what Lincoln stated.
And he also enslaved a whole bunch of people to go fight that war.
But all of that aside.
But just saying, there's also lots of examples of secession not going that way.
I'm saying that I think that I think the best case scenario, quite possibly, is a peaceful secession.
Peaceful disillusion of the federal government of the United States of America.
Like Sarah Silverman said, let it be two countries.
Maybe it could be 50.
I mean, we got 50 that are already have borders, already kind of.
Kind of nifty.
There you go, Rob.
Wow, man.
Get the hell out of here.
And that was the moment Rob was fired, ladies and gentlemen.
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But there's no, just saying that there's no reason why a crumbling empire dissolving has to be violent.
And of course, we have one huge example in the 20th century, in the latter part of the 20th century, so not even that far in the part of the 20th century that you can reach out and touch, right?
In the last 10 years of it, or 11 years of it, that's the Soviet Union.
They split up and they just split into a bunch of different countries.
There's also lots of different examples, Yugoslavia, and lots of different examples of places where they had secession and it was fine.
They didn't go to war.
They didn't have to.
And one of the things that I really appreciated about Sarah Silverman's clip there was she wasn't just saying we should break up.
She was saying we should do it peacefully.
She was saying, and then you can have your country over there and we have our country over here.
And so what's so bad about that?
And the thing is that, look, I really am, in which Scott Horton was talking about this at Freedom Fest, but I do agree with him, at least on some level, that in my heart, I am a universalist with libertarianism.
Like, I want freedom everywhere, and I think freedom everywhere could work.
I don't like, like, I'm not somebody who's like, um, believes like only in the right Western civilized country with the right racial makeup and religious makeup can libertarianism work.
Libertarianism was fucking to at least some degree.
I mean, maybe you wouldn't call it exactly libertarianism, but anarcho-capitalism was working in fucking Somalia.
And now, maybe not working by first world standards, but it raised the standard of living at the highest rate of any sub-Saharan African country when they didn't have a government.
And of course, this isn't because they were like committed to libertarian philosophy.
It's just because after the fucking communist regime fell, the battling like warlords, none of them had enough power to take over the government.
And so they essentially just didn't have a government, which resulted in de facto trade.
And okay, so we'll just trade with each other.
And they were fucking, they were booming.
They were doing the best they've ever been doing until George W. Bush started a war there and ruined the whole goddamn thing.
But leaving that aside, I do believe in libertarianism for everyone, you know?
But then there's also practicality, which dictates that that's probably not going to happen everywhere.
And we'd like to at least get closer to it wherever we can.
And so in some ways, I think the pitch to left-wingers is like, hey, if you break this thing up, you guys can have so much of what you want.
Like, oh, you think you don't have the votes for like Medicare for all or something like that?
Well, guess what?
If the red part of the country's gone, you got all the fucking votes in the world you need.
Go have it.
So I agree with you, and I love the idea of breaking this thing up.
I think that brings more freedom.
That allows for more localized government.
It gets away from all these implementations of the Fed.
And Sarah, what's nice here is that she feels so passionate about the COVID thing and she can't see the other perspective.
She goes, maybe we just shouldn't exist because I don't even understand where you guys are coming from.
We should be separated.
The reality is, though, it would be a tremendous loss for them because they need forceful control of the entire population in order to socialize the agenda that they're looking for and in order for our currency to be used in the way it is and for order to continue to inflate, which will not work over the long term.
But in the short term, they require the giant mass and to try and force it upon us.
So it's actually a giant loss.
So remember before when I said the pitch to them is that they now have the votes for Medicare for All?
That part is the part we're not going to tell them.
My bad.
But this part is the pitch to us, that it can't possibly work.
No, the freedom ideas win.
We're all excited.
Exactly.
The conservative territories are doing well.
They're creating economic opportunity.
And the liberals have to realize that they were wrong idiots all along.
Look, I was saying this when I was on a Tim Poole show, I think the first time that I was on, maybe the second time, one of the first two times I was on.
I was saying that, like, look, some form of libertarianism, whatever it may be, is the only antidote to the national suicide.
Like, there is only, the only way to solve this problem is some form of decentralization and reducing power in the federal government.
Because if you don't have that, this is, it's just so obvious once you see it from that perspective.
This is what's happening.
The more and more power that Washington gets, the more and more the cultures are going to be at each other's throats to wield that power.
And whether it's a tremendous reduction in the size of the federal government or mass decentralization, which are really two different ways to describe the same thing, right?
Some type of federalism or secession.
That's what we need to solve this problem.
And I will say that I find it encouraging for a progressive Hollywood type like Sarah Silverman to be reaching this conclusion.
And I thought it was interesting that she starts off the video by saying, I had this thought, and maybe it's a bad thought.
And she's like, well, maybe not.
But because her instinct is already to think this must be a bad thought.
Because it's pro-freedom.
It allows them to do what they want to do.
Yeah.
That's not what a good leftist does.
But I will say that oftentimes, and I'm not talking about like the more hardcore ideological leftists, but the kind of passive left-wingers who you know.
Can everybody be friends and get along?
Yeah, but that person doesn't think of it that way.
They don't think of it that way as I need to rule over other people.
Don't get me wrong.
That is baked into the ideological cake somewhere.
But that's not like what's at the front of their mind.
And so if you think about it this way.
It's somewhat there in the call for, hey, this is my idea of what human dignity is.
And so I need to impose this on anyone who isn't intelligent enough to see that, of course, we have to provide for the poor.
Of course we have to provide health care.
So they do kind of, they weasel out of the, hey, I got to rule over these people to enforce this thing that I see as being right, but it's because they're so obsessed with the idea that they are 100% right and anyone who disagrees is evil.
Yeah.
So it is kind of cooked in the yes, that's what I'm saying.
It's baked in, but it's not at the front of their minds that we won't let someone else.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it's not like I, they don't.
I mean, that's the cost that they're ignoring.
It's not the thrill of, hey, I get to rule over people.
It is for some, but it's not for, I would say, the majority of them.
And they're, they're, you know, like I said before, I am a universalist when it comes to libertarian morality.
I think that if you kill someone in fucking Nigeria or in fucking Japan or in Norway or in Cleveland, it's the same morally.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's evil in all of those places morally and that people ought to have self-ownership.
I believe this on a global level.
However, practicality demands that we recognize that we're not going to achieve libertarianism by having some fucking world revolution where some libertarian leader gets up and declares everybody free, which, by the way, in that case, then the praxis is the antithesis of libertarianism, right?
Because the whole idea of libertarianism is this kind of individualist natural rights philosophy.
So who the hell is this one person to tell the whole fucking globe that they're free?
It's this weird contradiction that the way it's actually going to work, if it is ever to work, is on some type of bottom-up movement.
And then we have to be practical about where that's going to come from and how that's going to work.
And the first step to that is to take some type of an axe to state power.
And in this case, the United States federal government being the most powerful government in the world, that seems like a good place to start.
Take that thing down a few pegs and then let other people try their own things.
And I do, you know, the difference, right?
And this is, I think, what we were talking about before when you were saying how, well, this won't work without them having the world reserve currency and having the, and they need the country in order to do that.
I believe that our ideas can work without force, which our ideas are basically just that there shouldn't be force there.
But I believe that our ideas will work in a marketplace.
So the closer to a marketplace we get, the better off we are to get what we want.
That's what I think.
And that's not by forcing other people.
That's just by voluntarily, you know, like people being like, hey, yeah, sure is better to be rich than poor.
And so, okay, they're going to like these things that people who are more free are doing.
What we need is COVID terrorists who go into these liberal cities and they sneeze on people like Sarah and they get so fed up, they finally go, that's it.
They're not allowed in here and I'm not going over there.
I'm not going to call for terrorism publicly, but that's an interesting take.
That is a hell of an interesting take.
Sneeze on your liberal friends.
It turns them conservative.
A conservative is really just a liberal who got sneezed on.
That's all I think about it.
Yeah.
So anyway, it's, you know, like for Sarah Silverman saying, well, if you come to our country, you're going to have to get vaccinated before you come here.
It's like, yeah, I don't know.
You got to get vaccinated before you fucking live here basically these days anyway.
So how much of a difference is that?
And it's, I'm, look, I say this as someone who has always my entire life lived in a place that will be not the country I want to live in if the country splits up.
I'm saying I'm willing to move for us to do this.
And I'm not even on, like, I'm not on the conservative side per se.
It's just that under current conditions on what we're splitting up for, if there's one side who wants vaccine passports and another side who wants to not have vaccine passports, I'll take their side.
I'll take their side on this one.
That's another thing, too.
That, you know, something that we've talked about a lot on this show, but that you have to, like, libertarians have to come to terms with this idea that we can say we're not right or left, which I believe technically is true.
Like, I don't think libertarianism, I do think Walter Block is right, and that the philosophy is a third leg on the stool.
It is different in kind from left-wing or right-wing ideology.
We're not liberals or conservatives.
We're just not.
We're radicals.
I mean, like, conservative is like the most opposite thing to describe what someone who individualist and natural rights and freedom is.
There's nothing conservative about that.
We're not trying to hold on to something in the past.
It's a brand new idea in the larger scope of human history.
And it's a radical idea, especially when, like, what exactly are we conserving?
I mean, like, Woodrow Wilson was a long time ago.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there aren't even any Woodrows around anymore.
Yeah, really.
That's how much the liberty is.
The name has gone out.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, we're not trying to conserve some tradition of freedom.
I mean, I'm sure there are some traditions everyone wants to conserve, but what we're trying to do is push towards something new and beautiful.
And we're certainly not left-wing.
I mean, we completely reject egalitarianism and basically the whole fundamental doctrine of them.
So we're not left or right.
And the Republicans at the Democrats are just two corrupt political parties.
So of course we should hate both of them.
It's not that.
However, there's no reason that because you say I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, that that has to mean that I think the Republicans and the Democrats are exactly equally bad at all times.
Right?
Like that's almost a weird egalitarian mindset of its own.
That if you were scoring the Democrats and the Republicans on how terrible they are, you know, they each have to get the exact same score all the time.
That's stupid.
Why would that be the case?
And the truth is that about 90% of the Republican Party is just terrible.
And I think just about 100% or 99.9% of the Democrats are terrible.
But all the silver linings, all the like decent people in the two-party system are pretty much all in the Republican Party.
And the Republicans right now are the ones who are pushing back against the fucking COVID insanity.
So as of right now, it makes a lot of sense to have a preference toward Red America than Blue America.
And by the way, in 2003, 2004, 2005, it made a lot of sense to have a preference toward blue America than Red America because they were all fucking had neocon fucking war fever.
And, you know, and love putting people in jail for drugs.
Sure did.
But, you know, it is, it's pretty amazing as someone my age to see that that really changed.
And that, you know, the idea that Republican voters would loathe neoconservatism is really remarkable.
And there's something there that is a real case for optimism.
I mean, like, dude, I'll just say this.
The idea that George W. Bush would be despised by the Republican base, that Mitt Romney would be despised by the Republican base, Dick Cheney and all these guys, like that they hate them is for younger people who listen to the show, it would be as if in 15 years, Democratic voters despised woke shit.
Like it'd be on par.
It was the ideology that was completely dominant amongst that party that those people voted for.
Short-Sighted Analysis00:04:40
They now hate it.
So I'm just saying, if it happened once, that could happen again.
So there's my white pillow.
And if that happens, I will give the Democrats credit for that.
What could happen is you take enough losses.
Like if you go deep enough with the woke stuff and it just turns out to have as many losses as those wars and cost as much as those wars, people will turn on it.
It's tougher for your brother to die in a woke fight than in a war in Iraq.
But I'm just saying these things can happen.
And sometimes a big mistake that a lot of people make is that they get too ahead of themselves with what is destiny.
And if they see something trending in a certain direction, they go, well, then this is the end of it.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
That's like political parties aren't destiny.
Demographics aren't destiny.
Like, none of this shit is guaranteed.
You have no idea how it's going to go out.
Yeah, who predicted Trump or Biden?
Yeah.
No, but that's right.
I mean, there was all of the conventional wisdom when Donald Trump said to Jeb Bush in South Carolina that your brother lied us into war was that he just blew it.
And I mean, there was reason to believe that.
South Carolina, the Republican primary, you're going to say the war that they cheered on, that they shamed everybody for not supporting, you're going to tell them that was all based on a lie, but they were just ready to hear it at that point.
Anyway, by the way, I'm not defending politicians from either side.
I'm just saying it gets to a certain point where it's like, would you rather live in a real progressive area or a very conservative area during the last 18 months?
I'm talking about the people, not them.
And by the way, this is to Sarah Silverman's point.
It's like, if you'd rather live in that progressive area as a libertarian, how can I fucking blame you?
That's another thing that's really like I've woken up to over the last 18 months.
You know, I remember over the last maybe shit, what has it been now?
I don't know, four years or something like that.
I've talked about on this show how important I realized culture was and how it was like my.
One of my big, like short-sighted aspects of my analysis of all this shit for a long time was that you know government policies and that you're like, oh no, that culture really matters.
It's very important and and part of the reason why the left is winning at everything is because they get that and they get that.
It's.
It's not just about taking over the Senate, you know.
It's about taking over academia and Hollywood and the media and all of these things.
But man, I mean that was kind of in to some degree an abstraction.
But over the last 18 months I mean you realize that.
You realize how much the culture matters and it's not just as simple as the government policies dictate x, y and z.
I mean that's a huge part of it, don't get me wrong.
I mean the government has a lockdown, there's a fucking lockdown, and that's that's it.
But you also realize that say, From being in, I don't know, like a nice town that's very heavily leans red in, say, New Jersey to being in, say, the upper west side of Manhattan, which is, you know, progressive ground zero.
It's like the rules aren't even that much different.
They're both blue states.
Both the governors basically have the same thing.
I mean, the vaccine passport is a little bit different out here now, but I'm just saying, like even before the vaccine passport went in.
The difference is the looks you're going to get when you take your mask off.
The difference is what these stores are saying because it's like kind of the dominant cultural winds.
So, you know, that makes all the difference in the world.
And at a certain point, as a libertarian, I have to look at, say, you know, these progressives who want a playground where the kids are wearing masks and want a store where the guy demands masks before you go in and wants kind of all of these things and say, if you want to live that way, man, go fucking live that way.
And if you can say, I want to live that way, but I respect if you want to go over to this other town and live a different way, shit, that's a compromise I'm willing to take.
Masks and CBD00:03:33
I mean, what's better than that?
Yes, I would rather everyone agree with me and want to be free.
But I can't force other people to want to be free.
That is a libertarian contradiction.
You can't force that out of other people.
So if you guys want to live this way, if you literally want to mask up your children, I'll be honest, I'm going to judge the shit out of you for it.
I don't understand it.
I start to feel like we are not the same species.
But if you're offering the deal, I am not even hesitating to take it.
On the same note, if they COVID passport us now, so if they keep their kids masked up and with all this training for their whole lives, can we exclude them for like if they're just too whiny?
If they're just two of what we don't like, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
That's a deal.
I feel like that's fair trade.
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I was, by the way, is why I was, I had my daughter out at the playground earlier today on the Upper West Side.
So that's where that came from.
And it's, I say, majority of kids are not masked up, but there are some.
There's like, I'd say 15, 20% of these parents have their, I'm talking, my daughter's under three, talking little, little kids masked up in a playground.
And you know who the parents are because they got masks on too.
And it's like, I just don't know.
It's funny because I literally came back from that and then saw this Sarah Silverman video.
And maybe that's partly why it hit me so hard.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
I don't, I don't feel like sharing a country with these people.
I don't feel like, I don't know what I share with these people that they'd put a mask on their fucking three-year-old as they run around.
It's not just like that I think that's a horrible thing to do to little kids and that I think this is crazy and madness and that you're pushing your own neuroticism on a three-year-old.
Treasonous Revelations00:09:39
It's that it's not even, there's no scientific argument for it.
There is no scientific argument for a three-year-old outdoors to be wearing a mask.
None.
And I mean, there's a more scientific argument to never let them cross the street or walk downstairs or never, you know, have, you know, never, as an adult, drive a car.
There's like a better argument for all of that protecting you.
It's like we've reached these levels of, it's almost, I view it in the same way as someone who has like severe OCD saying like, I need to turn the lights on and off five times before I leave a room or I'm going to die.
I'm going to teach that to my kids.
Well, that one's true.
That's true.
I'm more than the door on the way out.
The door died.
Three times fourth after you go down the black and come block and come back.
Yeah, okay.
I'm going to teach that to my kids.
Yeah.
I've got some other ones, but I'm just saying, you like, if you want the universe, my kids, I mean, he has possession of them right now.
Like they were, you're not by a lot of them.
I'm just saying you want to keep the universe in order, don't you, Dave?
No, that's true.
That is a good point.
All right.
It will change directions.
That's what will happen.
It'll start twirling the other way.
All right.
Let's let's let's switch gears here because I wanted to talk about this this general Millie situation.
He doesn't look like a millie.
He acts like a millie, but he doesn't look like a millie.
He was being a real millie on the phone with China.
I'll tell you that.
That's what China, that's what China was saying back to him.
Are you just being a big old millie?
Oh, you be a big millie.
Go support Trump.
So this is an interesting story on several different levels.
And this comes out of Bob Woodward's new book that's coming out.
And goddamn it, I'll be damned if Bob Woodward doesn't know how to sell a book.
He always releases a few excerpts where you're like, ah, shit, I got to get one.
What are his other books?
I'm not familiar with that.
He writes books on presidents all the time.
He wrote a book on Bush, book on Trump, probably one on Obama.
It's always like he gets the fucking juice.
Like he gets real details.
That's not to say that everything he writes is true, but he does kind of get a lot of really interesting information out of what's going on behind the scenes after the fact in presidential administrations.
And what he revealed in his book, or at least, again, let me preface this the right way because I was on the other day, I was on Kennedy, and I guess I was guilty of this, and I'm usually pretty precise, but I was guilty of speaking as if this was true.
And then she kind of hit me for that.
And then she started yelling with the other guy, and I just kind of sat it out because I've been in too many fights on Kennedy recently.
I was like, I just don't feel like fighting right now.
And I was also doing it remote from this truck, which is fucking kind of annoying.
Do you have a truck now?
No, it's not my truck.
Fox News has like a, it's not a big van that you like recording.
And they stuff you in the van?
Yeah, they got like a little studio in the future.
They got a fucking van?
Yeah, it doesn't make any goddamn sense.
They won't let me come to the studio to do Kennedy, but they will for Gutfeld.
I don't understand.
Is that a vax thing?
It might be.
It might be a vax passport thing.
I don't know.
That may be why.
Because I was like, can I just come in the studio to do this?
And they were like, we're going to send you a van.
And then I was like, maybe they just know that I'm not vaxxed.
Does the van show up right outside your house?
Yeah, very convenient.
That is pretty convenient.
Nah, but I'll take studio over.
I like fucking anything face-to-face.
I'll take over that.
I'll travel to you if it means we could fucking talk face-to-face.
It's just way better.
Anyway, so let me just, for people who don't know the story.
So Millie is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
And he basically, what they say in the book is that he had made multiple phone calls to his Chinese counterparts, basically going behind Trump's back and warning that Trump was erratic and that he was concerned that Trump was going to attack China with a preemptive strike, said that he would do everything to stop him from doing this.
And then the most controversial part is that he told the Chinese that if Trump launched a surprise attack, it wouldn't be a surprise attack.
Basically insinuating that he would give them warning if Trump were to launch an attack against China.
As a new member of the liberal media, this is proof of how bad of a president Trump was and how lucky we are that there was a support staff around him who can manage this crazy individual.
It is really something to see that that's how they play it.
Because basically the liberal media's perspective is, thank God we don't have civilian control of the military.
Because if we did, the guy they elected president might do some crazy shit.
He wasn't working without civilian control.
He was in touch with Nancy Pelosi.
So the most important person was they were in touch.
They coordinated and they made sure that this crazy individual is in check.
We're lucky.
We're lucky we don't have democracy where the elected official gets to make decisions.
That sure is true.
Brian, would you mind popping one of those for me?
So there's a few things that are really interesting about this story.
Now, let me just, to the point I was making before, and this is what Leslie Marshall hit me with the other day.
And this is fair, is that she basically responded with, hey, we're acting like this is true.
This is just in some guy's book.
And who the, you know, like he deserves like, you know, what you're accusing him of is basically like, you know, a conspiracy to commit treason.
So he deserves like a trial and all this shit.
And by the way, I agree with her.
I don't know for sure that because this was in Bob Woodward's book, this is true.
And, you know, again, with these things on cable news, you have very limited time to get this.
And this was in my talking points that I sent in to Kennedy, but I didn't say this on air.
So I'll grant her this is true.
And usually I'm good at maximizing, you know, that the economy of that time.
But the reason why I'm assuming this is true, which I don't know for sure, is that there's no denial.
And that's, thank you, brother.
And that's, you know, what so I don't know if you saw, but the Pentagon spokesman, this is how they fucking respond to this shit, is he goes, he goes, there's a, he goes, there's absolutely nothing abnormal about Pentagon officials talking to foreign leaders.
And you're like, yeah.
No, no, no.
The complaint isn't that he talked to him.
The complaint is what he said and how he was going behind the commander-in-chief's back.
Okay.
Also, he was wrong because Trump clearly had no inclinations of a nuclear war.
That's the thing.
So that's such an important point to make.
That it's like, if you, If you're saying you thought Donald Trump was on his way out, what, just to stay in power, gonna start a nuclear war with a heavily nuclear-armed country, that's just, I don't know, I'm pissed.
I'm pissed and I'm Trump.
So I'm gonna fucking nuke China.
Well, the obvious follow-up question to that, if you were talking to someone, would be, why did you think that?
Like, and specifically, I don't want some general, like, I don't know, the guy seems nuts, figured he'd nuke China.
Like, no, no, no, like, what was said?
And there is something there.
Look, I'm not trying to be a fucking partisan on this because Trump is the most bizarre human being in the world.
And he's certainly not like, in my opinion, like an upstanding moral or ethical person.
And there is something, right, at the beginning when you hear this, that you're like, look, it's one thing for a 20-year-old college chick to believe that Trump is going to nuke China.
But for the chairman of the Joint Chief, that's kind of nuts to hear him say he really believes.
He's as woke with the 20-year-old, so he's got all those emotions.
So that's the other thing.
Like, you're like, how deep into this fucking Democrat machine mindset is this guy?
And I have trouble believing that he's really that far into it.
I mean, my guess is that this is all just kind of like a cover.
It's a deep state.
Yeah.
It's the Nancy Pelosi CIA wing of the government.
That's all it is.
Well, that's what I think.
And my guess would be that this is completely unrelated and he was undermining Trump in some other way.
And there's something more to this than that.
Because on top of that, right, you'd have to acknowledge he was wrong.
I mean, he was wrong.
Like, extremely wrong.
Extremely wrong.
Like in a way that makes him look like the crazy person.
Yes.
And that he did something really stupid.
And how can that guy continue to be in this job?
And as Rand Paul said, I mean, if this is true, then he should not only be fired, he should be court-martialed and like tried.
And I mean, I don't know exactly what the charges would be here.
Certainly like some type of insubordination, but there is like if you're saying we were going to war with China and you told China you were, you would let them know, that is by definition treason.
Like literally, that's treason.
That would be giving material information to the enemy in wartime treason.
And the punishment for treason is a slap on the wrist.
Comfortable Underwear00:02:25
Hard one.
One ruler.
There you go.
I don't know what that noise was.
That's not what a ruler is.
That was more like that.
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, remember those?
Those were fun.
Yeah, they were cool.
So that's, you know, so there's that in the mix.
And he's not denying it.
And there's something, if you were accused of like a conspiracy to commit treason and it's not true, you'd think there'd be a whole bunch of people going, hey, that's not true.
This didn't happen.
But instead, the Pentagon spokesman is saying, it's totally normal to have conversations with China.
You're like, yeah, that's not really addressing what our concern is.
It's not that you had a conversation with China.
It's the whole conspiracy to commit treason, undermining the commander-in-chief thing.
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There have been several times over the last four years where I've talked about the undermining of Donald Trump.
Trusting Institutions00:15:51
And part of what's so revealing about the whole thing is that as the entire political media class is screeching about our democratic norms, you have the most undermined president, certainly of my lifetime.
I don't know when the comparison, I think since Kennedy, perhaps Nixon, but certainly there's no one except Kennedy or Nixon that could compare to Donald Trump.
Where, I mean, the man was literally framed for treason by his own deep state and political rivals.
And then on top of that, just at every turn, I mean, constant waves of unelected bureaucrats leaking information to the corporate press, you know, military people lying to him about the number of troops in Syria as he was trying to withdraw them.
And I would kind of have these, I don't know, I would have some feeling of like, you know, hey, that is the commander-in-chief.
And excuse me, you know, your role as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs is to say, sir, yes, sir, salute, and go do exactly what he told you to do.
That's what you do, you know?
Mr. Like and pretend like the order came from a lady, so you got to respect it.
Yeah, exactly.
Whatever you got to do in your mind to make it work.
Yeah, pretend it came from a dude who's really a female.
Whatever you got to do.
Whatever makes you come.
You know what I'm saying?
But so that, so, so I would always have these feelings, but I will say that a big part of that is because it was always the warfare state trying to undermine the idea of threatening the warfare state.
And that it was always like, okay, well, Donald Trump ran on this.
Like, hey, let's have detente with Russia and let's make a deal with them and get our troops out of Syria and out of the Middle East and end the war in Afghanistan.
And then that's always what they were trying to undermine.
So you're like, you know, so part of what I'm saying here is that I am in a way, even though I believe what I'm saying, maybe not being completely honest, because, you know, when someone's trying to end the war and then deep states undermining him, I'm like, hey, motherfucker, procedure.
Like, you don't have a right to do that.
Now, it's easy to say that because they're also shouting, he's undermining our democratic norms.
And you're like, no, motherfucker, he is the democratic norm.
He won at this game and you're undermining him.
But the truth is, that I don't really care about democratic norms and I don't really care about procedure and I don't really care about our institutions.
What I care about is liberty and peace and prosperity.
And so if there was a president who was trying to start a war and there was some unelected deep state fucking guy who was going to like prevent him from starting that war, I'd side with that guy.
In the same way that like, you know, I don't know, like if like I'm sure any of us, like if there was like an elected body, you know, let's say like the House and the Senate and the president all agreed we were reinstituting slavery.
And then one guy who's completely unelected, some bureaucrat, just starts fucking it all up so they can't reinstitute slavery, then I'm for that guy.
I don't know.
I don't care what the fucking procedure is.
They're walking around painting people white.
Yeah, that's just ruining the whole thing.
Can't enslave these.
We have a bunch of white folks right here.
But you know what I'm saying, right?
So it's about the fucking moral, you know, like the morality of the.
So it's not even that I'd have a problem with some, like if Trump was that crazy that he was about to nuke China and they stopped him from doing it, I'd support them stopping him from doing that.
Holy shit, he's going to get us all killed.
But the thing that's, you know, when you look at this situation, there's no way Trump was about to nuke China.
I mean, the only thing you could say for the guy is that he didn't start a new war in his four years there.
So you're telling me on his way out the door he was about to do this and then he could have but didn't?
So the question for Millie, which I hope they ask him because he's going to be testifying in front of Congress soon is what the hell made you think this?
And what the hell, like, how the hell did you think you had the authority to do this?
Well, it's if you had been in the White House during that time and you understood how unpredictable Trump was and the violence of that day and the insurrection that he sent people to overtake the Capitol and make sure they didn't have to leave his post, I thought the only responsible thing that we could possibly do was at least notify other people that there would be no war today and that I was securing our nuclear arsenal.
I'll write the speech for you.
I'm for hire.
Yeah, you really would.
By the way, you'd be better than most of the bad guys.
I mean, dude, if we keep growing this show the way we're growing it, I'm really concerned that one of the bad guys is going to grab you because every now and then you do this bit and I'm always like, that would be better.
That would be way better than what they're going to do.
But that really is like what they'll come up with is almost like something they're like, well, I mean, he led a group of people to fart on Pelosi's desk.
So how do I know he wouldn't nuke China?
I mean, they're basically on the same moral level, right?
Anyway, it's a fucking weird.
That was a weird goddamn story that it's one of those stories where you're like, I bet this is true, but I also bet there's more there.
Well, here's the more there.
They had a conversation with Nancy Pelosi beforehand.
It would seem that this would fall into the general narrative of trying to present Trump as being unable to serve in office and be like almost creating just that track record of look how much of a lunatic this guy is.
But then it's also just strange that the woke general guy, as the army becomes a little bit more woke, he's the guy up there with these talking points.
He's the one who's up there talking about reading communist works.
It's also the guy who's calling.
That just strikes me like, all right, whatever the CIA thing is between Nancy Pelosi and the different parties, he's part of that team.
Yeah.
You know, I was talking about this on Kennedy the other day too.
And it's something that's really, it's something about the moment that we're in right now in this country.
And I think we should be able to understand this better than most.
Like people who really get you know kind of the way government works and understand economics and and a lot of this stuff.
Um, that there really is something and this is one of the most troubling signs of the country that the there.
You know it's like a, it's a, it's a positive and a negative right, but it's like the.
The trust in institutions has evaporated, So no one trusts any of these institutions.
Now, that's a positive in the sense that these institutions are evil and not to be trusted.
But it's a negative in the sense that this can lead to some wild shit, which can get violent and can be very destructive.
But the truth is that you have Donald Trump so enraged the left half of the country that it's like, yeah, whoever it takes to undermine him, whatever that is, we're going to be for that.
And by the way, this is not just true of the left.
It's true of the right too.
I mean, look, there's, if Donald Trump had somehow, let's say, been able to just say, no, this election was bullshit.
I'm staying in here.
There's a lot of Trump supporters who would have supported that.
And these are people who would have called themselves constitutional conservatives, you know, just two days earlier.
And if Donald Trump just suspended the Constitution and was like, I'm not leaving because the election was stolen.
And you're like, do you really have proof that it was stolen?
I mean, it sure as fuck seems shady, but like, do you have proof that it was stolen?
He was like, no, but we're just shutting it down.
A lot of people would have supported him too.
And so much of that is because they don't trust any of this.
And so they're just like, look, whatever gets our side to win, that like we're playing a fucking Mike Makes Right game now.
We're playing a, we want power because we are terrified of what the other side will do if they have power.
And a lot of this is because it's just been so revealed that these institutions are all bullshit.
And so you can't trust any of them.
And so you better not be on the losing side.
Now, the big fucking joke on everybody is that your side is also against you.
That your side isn't actually your side.
That's what people got to fucking wake up to.
It's like, hey, Trump supporter, Trump doesn't give a fuck about you.
And Biden supporter, Biden doesn't even understand that you exist.
He doesn't know what day it is.
That's the thing that you got to understand.
He just walks around the White House going, I like ice cream.
Yeah, but he does.
He loves that ice cream.
He really does.
It's unbelievable.
I've never seen a man his age put ice cream away the way.
I think they tell him, like, listen, if you can just get through that teleprompter, we'll give you some ice cream.
Biden, I'm going to need you to read most of these words.
They don't have to be in order, but you got to read them and you'll get some ice cream.
You're like, well, gee, we're a curse.
All right, I'll try.
But isn't there something there, right?
That it's like there, people are so, they're not even clinging to their old stated ideological views of whatever.
It's like, no, dude, we don't trust any of this shit.
We just want our side to win.
And you see this more and more.
And I think we should understand why.
We should understand it's because all of these institutions have failed.
Everybody.
And so why the hell would anyone have any trust in them?
Why would you?
Joy Reid said recently on her show that she is a funny clip that was up online.
I think she was talking about Nikki Minaj and all that stuff.
And she was like, or maybe you could find that.
Actually, Brian, if you could look for it, because it'd be interesting just to hear it right from her.
I should have sent you this clip before.
But if you just if you just uh Google or or Twitter search Joy Reid, like not at her, but just search the words, probably be one of the first videos.
Go to like the top videos and I bet we'll find this one.
Because what she said, I thought in a weird way, without her trying to kind of summed it up, how tribal this thing has gotten and how much you don't trust the other side.
So how the fuck would you trust procedure or any of these things if the other side is always the bad guys?
And people like Nikki Minaj, I have to say this.
You have a platform, sister, that is 22 million followers.
Okay, I have 2 million followers.
You have 22 million followers on Twitter.
For you to use your platform to encourage our community to not protect themselves and save their lives, my God, sister, you could do better than that.
You got that platform.
It's a blessing.
It's a blessing that you got that, that people listen to you and they listen to you more than they listen to me.
For you to use your platform to put people in the position of dying from a disease they don't have to die from.
Oh my God.
As a fan, as a hip-hop fan, as somebody who's your fan, I'm so sad that you did that.
So sad that you did that, sister.
Oh, my God.
So Joy Reed basically says that when Donald Trump was in, it was completely reasonable to be hesitant about the vaccine.
But now it's insane to be hesitant about the vaccine.
That's great.
And it's just a really awesome moment where you're like, okay, but here, Joy, like, let me just take the next step for you.
That's how the other side feels about Biden, right?
Like the way you had no trust in them, they have no trust in you.
And that's all it takes is just extend a little bit more.
It's like, oh, I guess that's exactly how they feel.
It sounds like the left lacks empathy.
Well, that's it.
But maybe we all like could use some more empathy or whatever.
But like, yeah, no, you motherfuckers don't have a monopoly on it.
I understand them.
I just think they're dumb.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I empathize with what it's like to be so stupid.
But you know what I mean?
Like it's all it takes is to understand that it's, you know, it's kind of the same thing I was saying in the last episode where you have these fucking like these war hawk type mentalities in America where they're like, well, the Muslims hit us, so we got to go fucking hit them back.
And you're like, right, that's how they feel too.
So just like understand that you have so much in common.
It's just how you're feeling right now is how they feel too.
By the way, and last thing I'll say and we can wrap up on this, but the Nikki Minaj thing was really fucking great.
Like not even that, that like whatever she said about people should have the choice whether or not they get the vaccine.
What's great about it is like, look, obviously, Nikki Minaj is not who anyone should be getting their medical advice from.
I changed my vagina habits after listening to her.
Sure, absolutely.
Rob's actually found a way to make them wet.
But the point is, the point, Rob was like, they're supposed to be wet.
Anyway, that was her song, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
I just bring bottles of lube now and I shower them beforehand.
Put it up there like a soaker.
Here's what I find so funny about it, right?
And this is what I hope is revealing.
Because by the way, we really need as many people in the black community on our side as we can get on this because they might be our last line of defense.
They are vaccine hesitant, to say the least.
But, and it's not, by the way, it's not even the hesitancy about the vaccine.
It's the belief in your right to not be vaccinated and to not lose your basic freedoms.
That's what's important, at least to me, the most important.
But what's interesting is that Nikki Minaj, okay, look, it's easy for them to like look at her and be like, okay, she's a fucking clown and she doesn't even realize she's supporting racism.
And they're basically like, whatever, this dummy, Nikki Minaj, like this former hooker, you're really going to listen to her.
But then you're like, oh, no, no, no, it was completely fine to listen to her when she was endorsing Biden.
Then it was okay.
Then we really wanted to hear what you had to say and come in here and you can come to the White House or whatever to this event and speak and all this shit.
But whoa, what'd you say?
You believe in freedom of choice with vaccines?
Now you're getting bashed by all these same people.
And that's something that I hope a lot of fucking people, I hope a lot of black people realize that that's how Democrats see you.
It's like, oh, we, as long as you fucking say exactly what we tell you to say, then sure, you're great.
Isn't this wonderful?
I love that wet ass pussy song.
It's great, you know?
But as soon as you get out of fucking line, then you're right back to being like, ah, she's an ex-hooker.
Who the fuck cares?
Let's just be honest.
She was always an ex-hooker.
And who the fuck cares?
But I do like what she said the most recently.
You know, I'm as guilty as they are because at first, when she's endorsing Biden, I'm like, you're really going to let this hooker tell you about Biden?