James Smith and Robbie the Fire broadcast live from New Hampshire's Porc-Fest, celebrating the Libertarian Party's Mises Caucus victory over alleged corruption by former leadership. They interview new chair Angela McArdo on prioritizing liberty over decorum while debating John McAfee's death and the efficacy of ridicule versus civil dialogue. The hosts address petty crime solutions, advocate for decentralized "shit posting" to expose hypocrisy, and emphasize parental values over state institutions in countering authoritarianism, concluding that true revolution stems from individual action rather than waiting for saviors. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Big Government Problem00:15:13
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Here's your host, James Smith.
Hey guys, thanks for listening to today's episode.
This is the live episode that me and Robbie the Fire recorded at Porkfest up in New Hampshire the other day.
We had a great turnout.
It was a lot of fun.
The episode is very libertarian-centric and LP-heavy.
I know there are people out there who listen to the show who aren't as involved in the inside baseball of all of that, but it was a fun episode and I hope you guys enjoy it.
We're going to be doing a makeup episode in the next couple days for the one we missed last week.
And I promise all you guys, we will return to our format of attacking the empire and the crises that face the American people and mocking the corporate press ruthlessly and all the good stuff that you love out of the show.
So I hope you enjoy the episode and we'll have a bunch of good stuff out for you guys this week.
That's hopefully entertaining and enlightening.
All right, live from Porkfest, New Hampshire.
Here we go.
You guys ready to start a live podcast?
Hell yeah, you are.
All right.
Let's give a warm welcome to our noble leader, the next president of the United States of America.
Let's hear it for David Smith.
Pork says, what is happening?
Woo!
I love the New Hampshire energy.
Please cover your children's ears.
It is making me uncomfortable, the close proximity to me saying anything on a microphone and little precious children.
But it's a good message at the end of it.
Don't worry.
Ron Paul Army, motherfuckers, what's up?
We are here.
All right.
Let's have some fun.
I was thinking for this year's podcast, we'll probably, I'll rant with Rob at you, good people, for a little bit.
Maybe if some of my friends who I love are here, they might jump up for a little bit, do quick segments, and then we'll do like a long question and answer segment because I had so much fun with that last year and it ranges.
Oh, abortion guy came back.
Oh, man, me and abortion guy.
I think I argued with like Walter Block's illegitimate child about abortion for like three hours and he was really taking me down every property rights road and he was like if Walter Block heard him, he'd say yes, abortion should happen.
Yeah.
He'd change his mind.
Yeah, by the end, you're like, all right, I'm whatever you are.
I'm for it, I guess.
I don't know.
Like, is that the right thing?
I don't know.
So we'll do that.
We should have a lot of fun.
A lot of drama going on with libertarians in New Hampshire, huh?
They tried to take our shit.
Oh, this is glorious.
They're not even good at being corrupt.
Plan it out.
I was almost rooting for you.
I respect gangster shit, but just at least plan it out a little bit.
I knew there were corrupt people at the top of the Libertarian Party.
I thought they were smarter.
I swear to God.
I thought they were more, like, how about we do...
Did no one say to the people who came up with this plot to take the New Hampshire party?
Here's, if I could remove myself from the ethics of it all, okay, which I would not do that to another affiliate because it's unethical.
It's stealing property.
It's a violation of that principle that we all talk about all the time.
So I wouldn't do it for ethical reasons.
But if I could just put that aside and say I didn't have an ethical problem with this, and someone came and proposed this idea to me.
We're going to just take the New Hampshire party, start a new one, write new bylaws, kick all the members out, we're going to do this.
I would go, that's going to backfire.
Wouldn't you?
Wouldn't you be like, yeah, probably.
Like, did anyone of the co-conspirators, these brave men who won't even fucking admit who they are?
We have no leads.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
But of any of them, I wish they would have a little bit of courage to step up and say who they are and what they did.
I mean, that would be the noble thing to do.
But did not one of them, while they were planning this out, they go, hey, but what if, you know, what's probably going to happen if we do this is this is going to really energize the Mises caucus people.
I have a feeling Dave Smith's not going to shut the fuck up about it.
And just maybe on the off chance that like all like people like Justin Amash and Spike Cohen aren't corrupt pieces of shit, they might also come out and say, we're not for this corrupt bullshit.
So what happens if that happens?
And then one of the other ones was just like, well, we all resign.
We're fine.
That's like, it goes like that.
We'll just all leave, I guess.
Throws him insults.
We found out, we found out a lot, a lot about who's who in this party over the last couple weeks.
And we found out who our heroes are.
And our hero is Karen Ann Harlos.
That woman is our person.
Well, Joe Bishop Hengman ain't laughing on a beach anymore, is he?
All right.
All right.
Well, it was a good, and props to all the other people who handled that well, too.
It was a great, it was a great little victory.
I think everything, you know, in the end seems to be happening the right way.
And that's, you know, listen, that's Karen Ann, and she's, like, she just got that whole ovation.
I know there's a lot of Mises caucus people here today.
She's been critical of us in the past.
She's not a member of our caucus, and she speaks up when she thinks we're doing something wrong.
And I have literally no problem with her.
I'm literally giving her all this credit here.
For anyone out there who's like, no, you have to be willing to work with people or whatever.
I'm willing to work with someone who criticizes me.
She just doesn't criticize me like a deranged maniac.
Like they, oh no, now she's got this energy behind her.
She's like, you know what?
But I was like, Karen, I remember watching one of your shows, and someone asked you about the, there's the, he had Nick Fuentes on his podcast, and Karen goes, yeah, I don't think he should have done that.
You know, I don't think he should have did that, but, you know, whatever.
And then moved on.
And I was like, yeah, that's the sane way to criticize me for it.
Like, I disagree with you, but okay.
Anyway, moving on.
Or you could do six months of tweets and then not show up for debate.
That's the other.
What's amazing about the Q attempt, or I don't know if that was the right word, but we'll go with it, is, you know, usually libertarians do the smart thing well.
They just fuck up on the likability, and they didn't even get the smart part right.
They freaking radicalized me more.
They pushed us all in the wrong direction.
I was out there at my Pittsburgh speech.
I asked people to cut out the shit posting because it was like bothering.
But I was like, it's making us look bad and we're already winning over the party, so let's just be like noble winners or whatever.
And this turned out really pissed off the shitposting community.
I heard a lot from them.
They're not really the community you want to piss off online.
They are vicious.
And then they're like coming at me and I'm like, don't you dare turn on me.
Shit posters.
You are my loyal army of shit posters.
I had to say what I had to say.
But I did kind of mean it at the time.
But then after seeing all this shit, now the shit posters are like making excellent points.
The shit posters are arguing with me and they're like, yeah, shit posting sure did do a lot here in New Hampshire.
And you're like, yeah, it really did.
It worked out pretty well.
Really kind of exposed all of the fucking people on one side and all of the people on the other side.
And it exposed the people like the really good people in the party who may not be in the exact same camp as some of us, but the Justin Amashas and the Spike Cohens, because they can sit there and at least be like, hey, we don't really like the shit posting, but we are definitely going to stand up to corruption and theft and member purges.
So at least they could value what's more important than just being outraged over, you know, someone said the wrong thing online.
But there's value.
There is value.
The people who, and again, I was coming at this from the other side.
I'm not suggesting people shit post.
I'm just saying they made their arguments and they have some points.
There is some value in immediately showing everybody who places social outrage at the top of their hierarchy of values and who is like, could still be against that, but be like, yeah, there's kind of genocides going on.
And that's what we're all in this together to fight.
This is why, you know, I'm glad whoever he didn't show up to do this dumb debate.
I don't know what Gene did instead, but this debate is just so dumb.
Like it's just the whole debate about should we tolerate bigotry in the libertarian party or all this shit.
It's just, come on, man.
Like, let's just live in reality for a second, right?
I was saying this to someone last night.
I've been to so many of these events, like libertarian events.
I'm going to hang out for hours after this.
I talked to a bunch of people last night.
I'll talk to a bunch more people today.
I've never, ever met the racialist amongst us.
I've never once had someone at one of these things come up to me and be like, you know, I really want to talk about the Jews.
Or like, I really, we got to talk about the blacks and like what they're doing wrong or something like this or keeping the white majority of the country.
No, never once.
And no, I'm just saying, if I'm the guy who they say I am, I'm the right-wing entryist guy, wouldn't I be the guy who people would come up to and say that about?
And a lot of people come up to me.
That's never what they want to talk about.
They always want to talk about like the drama in the LP, wars, drug war, cops, you know, lockdowns, COVID.
That's what they want to talk about.
It's almost as if we don't have a real racism problem in this community.
It's almost as if that's really not a big problem.
And I don't know, Dave, that dog barked while you were doing this speech, which makes me think you were whistling something.
That was a blade and whistle.
Wow.
Holy shit, that is really true.
That dog sniffed the ball.
There was a literal dog barking while everyone else was like, he's making a good point.
And the dog was like, I get you, brother.
I get you.
We're going to hold off for one more year, and then we really start rounding him out.
I don't know.
Maybe the dogs, maybe the dog hates Jews.
That's why he's barking at us.
Why are you letting them speak?
The guy with the Hawaiian shirt has a racist dog.
Well, you can't pick whether your dog's going to be a racist or not.
That has nothing to do with your lifestyle.
That's your dog's choice.
You don't know before.
I've seen, I grew up in New York City.
I've seen some of the most progressive people have dogs that just bark at every black person who walks down the street.
It is such a hilariously awkward situation when anti-racist dogs hate black people and the anti-racist has to just be there like, I'm so sorry.
It's like this is, he's been indoctrinated, you know, like.
Some dogs are smart enough to know who steals.
See, by the way, that's the problem.
That, not, I'm not saying that's not a problem.
That was a hilarious joke.
I'm saying there's no racism problem in the libertarian movement.
There's a problem that some people, like us, enjoy hilarious jokes like that, and some other people don't.
But that's like, you know, it's just, it's so funny to me that, like, let's say even if there were some people out here who did hold some bigoted views, but they're really not saying it much.
None of them come up and say it to me.
No, like it's not being, you know what I mean?
All you can really point to is that there's like some people shit posts online or people make jokes that you don't like or people do what they do a lot online, which is troll.
Which is like that.
I still can't believe that half of the nerds who are like, oh my God, he called me a mean word on Twitter.
And their answer is, he did that because he is this evil thing.
And you're like, no, he did that because, look at you.
This reaction right here.
That's why he did that, because he knows he can get this reaction out of you.
This is fun for people.
You can't help it.
Social media is toxic as shit.
It's all of us.
Don't you come to an event like this and it almost like reminds you, you're like, oh, that's right.
Libertarians are cool.
Like, I like them.
There are a whole bunch of cool people here.
I like everyone at this event.
You go on Twitter for a day and you're like, man, we suck.
Like, my side sucks.
Their side sucks.
This whole thing just sucks.
It's tough.
Look at Pete Quinones three years ago was the friendliest human being on Twitter.
Pete Kinonas went into Twitter and he was like, what's up, friends?
Let's discuss philosophy.
And then Pete Quinones today is like, I hope you die in a fire, okay?
All of you are insufferable.
Reed Coverdale was, he jumped in like, my whole thing will be I push unity.
And Reed's on Twitter today like, these bitch fuck cucks.
I can't deal with the, like, it's poisonous.
It turns it.
But then you come here and you realize it's like, that's not really, it's not like that.
And you don't, you're not meeting any of these people they claim all the words, oh, I can't stand bigotry and all this.
There aren't, this isn't about bigotry.
And even if someone here did have some inherent bigotry, which I'm sure we all have to some degree, like, okay, are you for ending the war on drugs and ending the military-industrial complex and ending the Fed and the boom-bust cycle?
Okay, well then you are for making black people's lives 10 times better.
So who cares what dumb view you might have?
What we care about is like human beings.
We don't hold offensive words as like some crazy high value.
We don't hold decorum as some value that has anything to do with libertarianism.
Our value is non-aggression.
That's what we care about.
First and foremost, always.
So, you know, anyway, decorum.
You believe this shit.
I get called a Nazi every day on Twitter.
Where's the decorum on that?
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I've never once heard anyone go, you know, that's kind of not so nice.
Anyway, I'm sorry, what were you going to say, Rob?
No, I was going to say we drink beers in the afternoon.
We're not the decorum people.
Yeah, that is a good point.
That is a good point.
It's a lot of different cultures here at Porkfest.
I always love that about it.
I love that you'll see like, you know, Christians and yoga people, which was the two furthest ends of the spectrum that I could think of.
And everything in between, someone's got their kid, the kid's got a gun.
It's just, it's a good scene here at Porkfest.
Distinctly libertarian.
All right, I don't know.
What do you want to do, Rob?
You got anything else you want to talk about?
Maybe we'll bring somebody up here for a few minutes and we'll rotate some people in and out.
Who are my people is here?
Is Angela here?
Ladies and gentlemen, the next chair of the Libertarian Party.
Angela McArdo.
Huh?
Yeah, I guess in the middle.
Sure.
Here you go.
How are you?
Is that under the chair?
I'm doing great.
Thank you guys.
You just got in today, right?
I got in at like 1 o'clock in the morning last night.
Time change from California is a real killer.
Yeah.
Also, when you've been locked in your house for over a year, you lose track of time altogether.
There is no more time in California.
You just ask Newsom, and he tells you what time it is.
And he's just making that up.
It's April 30th, finally, right?
Yeah, that's right.
It was a long stretch.
So what has, let me ask you, because you're obviously running for chair.
You've got the Mises caucus endorsement.
My personal endorsement.
The room seems to be leaning in your favor.
What has been your experience watching all of this craziness at the Libertarian National Committee?
And how disappointed are you that you don't get to run against Joe Bishop Henchman now?
Well, I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bummed out.
We all are.
It's like playing T-ball.
Yeah.
That's why I kept calling on him to resign, because I didn't want him to resign.
I wanted you to beat him, and I was like, well, maybe if I keep telling him he has to resign, then he's going to be like, I'm not going to resign.
You know, like I tried to reverse psychology him, and then he was just like, no, I'm going to leave.
That's, you know, you did the smart thing.
That was the smart thing.
That's what I would have done too in his spot at that point.
Josh Smith goes, we demand to see all of the transcripts.
And he's like, I'll leave.
That's fine.
That's fine.
No problem.
I'm leaving because of the bigotry.
The bigotry is a really big problem.
The bigotry wasn't such a big problem two weeks ago, but the bigotry just got crazy out of hand.
Now that people want to see the transcripts, the bigotry is really out of control.
Main tweets are bad, but, you know, theft, misappropriation of state assets, it's all for the greater good.
Yeah, that's right, isn't it?
Who sounds like a Nazi now?
Well, it has been, it's been an interesting week.
Things unfolded in a different way than I thought they would.
Like, I thought this was going to be a big victory for the Mises caucus when they first tried to make this move.
I thought there would still be a pragmatist caucus by the end of the month.
But a lot of people seem to want to take off.
And I mean, I don't know.
I don't, you know, like you said a long time ago, this was a line that people really gave you a lot of shit for.
But you were like, listen, if this party becomes the force we want it to, we don't need to purge people because the people who aren't interested in that are going to leave on their own.
And I, personally, I would rather they stay.
Like, I don't want Andy Craig to leave the Libertarian Party.
I want him to stop being awful.
You know what I mean?
Like, just, but if you won't stop being awful, maybe you should just leave.
Like, maybe that's it.
Maybe we're in a real fight here where we need people who are focused on what matters.
These are real times in America right now.
We're on this mission to save the world.
We can't, like, if people aren't on that same fight, like, then maybe this isn't where you should be.
I invite people who are not libertarian to become libertarian and then join the party.
I invite people who are in the party and not libertarian to please become libertarian.
This is, this, this, this.
Because this is the Libertarian Party.
These fights that we have about whether or not mean tweets are the worst thing that could happen to the party, it's embarrassing.
People are being murdered in the Middle East through United States-sanctioned drone strikes, and we're like, stop hurting people's feelings on Twitter.
We need a reality check.
Yeah, it is.
It's an embarrassment.
It's an embarrassment that we even have to deal with this stuff, and it turns off so many other people who would be interested in our message.
I mean, I can't tell you.
There's a huge portion of my people, when I'm trying to get them to join the Libertarian Party, the thing that keeps them out is they're like, it's run by these woke sters who want to lecture you about wrong think and wrong speak.
And this is why that Joe Jorgensen tweet was so damaging.
I know it was just one tweet, but it played on a theme that people were like, oh, listen, this is how I always say it.
And it's so simple that I just can't understand the libertarians never fully got this message.
Why was Ron Paul so successful?
Why did we have such a successful movement in those days?
Because he said the bravest thing in George W. Bush's America to say, back then, the whole thing was like the woke culture was a right-wing, militarized woke culture.
It was like, if you don't support the wars, you question the troops.
You're with the terrorists if you don't support the wars.
And Ron Paul was like, no.
He said the bravest thing got booed out of the arena and started a movement.
So how have we not learned from that that the thing you want to do is say the bravest thing that you believe in?
Like, don't say just something stupid, but like the bravest liberty thing that you can say is what you want to say.
Now, what do you think?
That's why it sparked a movement.
That's what gets someone to go, oh, the third party or the third option or the way of thinking here, you know, like a whole different thing.
Is they say, you really stand for something because you'll say it even when it's unpopular, you know?
So what do we do now?
We're bending over backwards to say the most popular thing that every, yeah, okay, go condemn bigotry.
And we'll see.
I bet that'll really lead to a revolution in this country.
Like, yeah, right, yeah.
I'm glad the Nazis shouldn't have done that.
You know?
If I saw a Nazi today, I'd say, hey, that wasn't nice.
Don't you do that, Nazi.
Just thought I'd let everyone know that's where I stand on the whole Nazi thing.
You want to just repeat the talking points of every corporation and woke leftists and think this is going to like inspire people?
I mean, come on.
It's just, I don't know.
It's just so obvious that that's never going to lead to a big movement.
So, you know, I don't know why people do it.
What's brave now?
That's good.
Well, that's a good one.
That's pretty brave.
Secession is brave.
Well, the obvious one, right?
And this has changed now.
Well, listen, but this has really changed in the last few weeks, right?
Because maybe say the last two months.
Because all of a sudden, the positions aren't so brave anymore, but they only have so much steam because very brave people said them.
But being opposed to lockdowns, putting forward the lab leak hypothesis, things like that, that took real bravery through 2020 to do that.
And a lot of people passed that test.
Stood up and passed that test.
There's...
Dude, you got to keep the heckles way shorter than that.
Yeah.
That got really specific and long.
You're going to have to write out these heckles.
We need the men to be at 4% interest rates by February of 2034.
That would.
That would be a way.
That would work.
This guy's on to something.
Turns out this guy's our best genius, and we don't know it.
It's like he just told us all the answers.
He actually just talks at that volume all the time, so no one realizes they're great ideas.
Isn't it like, don't you think, I mean, I know that a lot, Tom Woods made the point that, you know, a lot of the people, a lot of the libertarians who weren't that harsh on the lockdown regime, they weren't harsh because they kind of agree more or less.
Now, maybe they'd like to see them as voluntary lockdowns or they wouldn't like this, but more or less they believe that sitting in your home the whole time and shutting down businesses and wearing masks and everything, that that was the right call.
And I think there are a lot of people who fall into that category.
But I think there's also a lot of people who just didn't want to come out against it because it was a dangerous position to take for a long time.
People were going to tell you you're trying to kill grandma and this and that.
And a lot of, like, I think what the Mises caucus brings in, which that the rest of the LP should listen to and benefit from, is that our major comment is that if we're ever afraid to be brave because of the pushback, then we guarantee that we lose.
Because it's going to take real bravery if we're ever at the position where we're a real threat to the power of any of these institutions.
Like, so you're going to have to have real bravery.
Like, it's just, you have to put out of your mind whether or not the corporate press is going to demonize our positions.
That doesn't matter.
They're your enemy.
Who cares if your enemy doesn't like you?
Your enemy shouldn't like you.
That's a good sign when they don't like you.
If your enemy loves you, then you need to re-question everything you're doing.
Yeah, I think step one, have the courage to speak the truth.
Because if you can't do that, how are you going to tackle the federal government?
You can't even speak your mind to the people around you who are your friends.
Yeah.
No, I think that's exactly right.
And that's why I love coming out to these events because I meet a whole bunch of cool people who are brave and really know their shit and are smart.
And then I wonder why some of the higher-ups in the LP are so retarded because we got so many good people out here.
Like, why are we picking?
I guess just no one wants to do it.
We have some great people, obviously, who are up there doing it, as I highlighted a few earlier.
All right.
What do we want to do here?
Is Pete Quinonas here?
Did he make it?
No, he's shit posting somewhere.
Pete mightn't be in his own panel here.
Right, okay.
Their panel is probably still going.
All right.
Well, you know what?
Let's just move on to the question and answer.
All right, let's do it.
Hang out if you want to, Angela.
Answer some questions.
All right.
Do you want to?
You can hang out.
See that people have questions.
I got a free mic.
I'm going to come around.
Anyone who's got a question, raise your hand and I'll come around with the microphone.
Here we go.
Robbie Bernstein coming around.
Questions?
How are you going to do this, Rob?
Listen, I like this.
It feels kind of like an old Donahue episode.
You over there.
She goes, I just want to say I think you're racist.
And to the mom who's having sex with the brother, that wasn't really Donahue.
I should have thought of a better example.
He was above that.
Well, first off, I think there's a pretty decent chance that John McAfee did not kill himself.
Yeah.
He's with Epstein, recalled from Assad, dude.
Listen.
Back on that island.
Rest in peace to John McAfee, man.
That's what I'm saying.
You were speaking about the bravery thing, and I don't know if there's anybody braver in the movement than him.
Yeah, he lost everything.
I mean.
Yeah, he lost everything.
Angela had a great post about it the other day, right?
It was you said another victim of the IRS.
And that's really what it is.
You know, if you don't even, whatever happened in this thing, and I just don't like to jump to conclusions.
I haven't looked deep into like what happened with his death.
You know what I mean?
But I'll say for sure, there's no other way around it.
That guy was killed by the IRS, by the American Empire.
He's one more victim of the American Empire, and there's lots of others.
One way or the other, he didn't have to be on the run.
He wasn't accused of a violent crime or anything like that.
Yeah, I do have another question.
And I had a question just as far as, as a libertarian, the thing I think is most important is economics.
And I think there's a lot of people that have great beliefs that are just fucking terrible on economics.
Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald.
Yeah.
There was another guy that kind of reminded, but like how an effective strategy to bring the economic message to some of the other things, like with Jimmy Dore being so good on media censorship and war and stuff like that.
Well, I mean, with those guys, like, yeah, they're all bad on economics, but they're really, really great on war, the deep state, corporate censorship, corporate media.
I mean, they're really good on so many issues that I think sometimes that's just, you just have to look at those people as like, that is important enough.
And if they can push the left toward those issues, I'll take that.
Like, it's, you can attempt to teach left-wingers economics, but it is really, it's challenging, you know?
But I just think, you know, a lot of times libertarians have this attitude of like they're almost like, oh, I wish we could convert Tulsi to being a libertarian.
I wish we could convert Jimmy Dore to being a libertarian or something like that.
Like, maybe it's just better that they're the best left-wingers and that they're really good at being the best left-wingers out there.
The left needs someone trying to get them to be more anti-war.
So what, like, Tulsi Gabbard starts reading Murray Rothbard, and then she becomes like a gold bug or some shit.
And then who is she reaching now?
You know?
Like, maybe it's much more valuable that she's just a Democrat who keeps bringing up the issue of war because that's the most important thing.
And so like, you know, and that, but you are right that being bad on economics, well, leads you in a lot of bad directions.
So it's tough.
All right, come around.
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Facing Dirty Facebook Groups00:12:58
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Hi.
So I don't know if you remember me, Dave.
I think we met a few months ago.
I have a question for you specifically because you have your own channel.
I have my own channel.
I feel like there's a huge issue amongst a lot of pundits and politics where they don't really want to talk about the deeper issues and they sort of are fence sitters in a way.
How do we inspire people like the ones surrounding us to make their own channels, their own podcasts, to really speak truth and actually not sell out to viewers and sponsorships?
How do we inspire people to make more channels and more podcasts to really get the voice out there?
Well, it's a good question.
I think that there's a lot of pressures in different areas that you have to be able to kind of manage.
So there are always, like, I knew, I remember in like 2016, like, it was just very clear that there was like this Trump wave.
And like, the podcasters who were like the pro-Trump people were like blowing up, like, numbers just going insane.
Because there's always so many more right-wingers than there are libertarians.
You know, so like you kind of have that angle.
And then in the stand-up comedy scene, it was always like left-wingers just get everything.
And if you are at all outside of that worldview, it really slows you down.
So there are these, like, you see the incentives right in front of you.
Like, okay, the incentive here would be to like just join this group or this group where things are much easier.
But I think most of the time, people like us have just a thing where it's like, no, I'm just going to tell the truth.
Like, I don't want to be one.
So the benefit is that since so many people are grifting and just clearly doing one or the other, you know, like, oh, I'm the former lefty turned conservative and now everyone loves me.
But there's a real thirst out there for like authenticity too.
So you can just kind of choose to fill the other gap.
Like I'm going to, my audience will be the people who want someone who isn't doing that.
As far as inspiring people, more podcasters and shit, I mean...
We're not looking for more competition.
Yeah, really.
Go do your jobs and buy from our sponsors.
That's what Dave wants to say.
I believe in the division of labor, and I am not for central planning.
So damned if I'm going to try to plan what every libertarian should do.
But my guess is when it comes to podcasting, I think we got that covered.
Like we have a lot of podcasts.
But I think that what we really need is more people finding new innovative ways to kind of like mess with the matrix a little bit.
Find new ways to get this message out to people to convince people in their own lives to remove from the system.
Anything like that.
Shit that's way above my intelligence level.
We could really use more arts and entertainment.
Other avenues of culture.
Yeah.
I think that's 100% right.
So what would you encourage people?
Because I currently have a job with a certain cartoonist.
I'm not going to throw out his name there.
I feel like I really don't see a lot of people often like people like us will complain on YouTube all day about how Netflix is doing this movie or this band is saying this thing.
But how can we inspire more people to make movies and music and take out Hollywood and the music studios that are currently indoctrinating people?
How can we inspire people to make more art and take over these entities?
That's a good question.
And I think it's not unrelated to spreading the message in general because the more people we have who are libertarians, the more creative types and talented types will be libertarians.
And then you hope that that kind of influences their art.
But I think a big one too is like if you see any project like that, if there is a movie that's pushing back, that has the cultural message you want to see, the political message you want, support the shit out of it.
Because what you want to see is that there's an oh, there's a market for that, you know?
If you convince people, oh, there's a market for like this anti-Hollywood propaganda, then that's the best chance that we're going to get more of it.
And that's why you should go buy the Black Captain scripted audio series.
You'll love it.
There you go.
Club for the fire.
All right, who we got next?
Right here.
Top lobson.
Top lobs.
Oh, hey, what's going on, brother?
Hey, what's up, Dave?
Hi, Angelo.
What's up?
I have a question about the Facebook group that got disbanded a while ago.
I'm still a part of it, and there's like, they're fractionated all over the internet.
They're on MeWe, and they're going astray, and there's like mutinies going on.
When is Big Daddy?
I knew they were going to fall apart without me.
Yeah, yeah.
They haven't lost their direction, but a lot of them do feel, I guess, estranged a little bit because they don't really have a home.
So I'm here on their behalf to ask you about that.
And also about the art.
Josh Smith does, he had the great idea to do, like, incorporate artwork and culture.
And I've been lucky to be involved with that.
So, yeah, we could, I mean, I don't know.
If you have talent, get out there and ask someone if you could draw for them or whatever you're doing.
Yeah, well, dude, and you're making great stuff, too.
If you guys don't know, it's really, really great artwork that Top Lost has been making for Josh Smith's show.
And he's done it for a bunch of the different guys.
There we go.
I love it.
And yeah, that's great that you're doing that stuff.
With the Facebook group, it was like, I just, I was looking at like other platforms and asking my guys, and they were all like, none of them really work for what we wanted to do.
And then they were like, we just create another Facebook group, but I felt weird about that.
Like, I was like, no, fuck you.
You know, like, you don't want us here, then I don't want to be here type thing.
I'm down to do it.
I mean, like, what would you suggest I do?
Is there a platform you think is the one to do?
Odyssey.
Yeah.
Is Odyssey the one?
Is that...
But is it like a group like that, or they just like host your videos and stuff?
Maybe I don't understand what the company is.
Oh.
He's thrown out MeWe as an option.
We'll have to circle back.
I'm going to pull up Saki here.
If anyone has the value, I'd be happy to.
Dude, those are the press secretary skills I was offering to you.
It's that moment right there.
We got a whole team.
We're working on it.
We're investigating new options.
That's what Dave meant to say.
We're on the case.
It's going to be Michael Malice, but Rob is still really holding on to the dream.
And it's going to be him.
By the way, what you were saying, on that note with the artists, I've had people hit me up like, hey, I do videos and I've collaborated with them.
So if you've got some hidden talent, you never know who might say yes and be like, yes, I'll collaborate with you.
So definitely hit people up.
I like free work.
So if you got free work, you're offering it.
We'll get you on this MeWe operation.
We don't do tech shit.
All right, we had another question.
Here we go.
Hello, Dave, Angela.
I'm really excited about Angela.
Angela, you're running for chair.
I'm curious if you could pick anyone for interim chair, both of you, who would you pick?
Ken Mullman, the vice chair right now.
He's holding down the line, and he's not a morally reprobate, reprehensible individual, which is a really good place to start.
I think so far he's shown himself to be a person of integrity, and so I appreciate that and think he would do a great job.
And if he runs for chair in the future, then I'll see him in the race.
I support Pete Quinones for the position.
There you go.
I want to bring us on Pete Quinones, everybody.
Hell yeah.
How are you doing, brother?
Doing good, man.
Is this where all the Jewish Nazis meet?
This is...
They're mostly here.
This is in a little bit at Naked Yoga.
I don't know why.
They love that stuff.
How was your panel over there?
Oh, it was great.
Great.
You know, talking about the documentary, we're showing the documentary tonight at 8 o'clock.
If you've seen the Monopoly on Violence, they're going to be showing it in the, I forget what they're calling it.
Anthem Theater.
There we go.
All right, we're just taking questions.
Any questions for me, Angela, Pete, anybody?
Jump in.
What do we got?
Robbie the Fire Bernstein's running around.
Did Ananta.
Oh, Lord, have mercy.
I don't know if you had seen the recent post that there's been more information on the whole New Hampshire coup.
And you guys can't stop watching your back because there's been little sniping posts even today that I've had to be like, shut up.
So, because you're being watched, you know, David Valente is watching you just so you know.
He's scared.
That the puppeteer, the mastermind is from out of state.
That's the person.
And that really makes me think New Hampshire was a test case.
Like, at first, this all just looked like it was some interest, you know, within New Hampshire scrabble, but it really looks to me as if there was a coordinated effort from out of state, and they were looking for a weakness.
You had a weak chair here that was vulnerable.
And I really think Colorado and Nevada was next.
And I could be wrong, but that's what my instincts are telling me.
And I don't think people have really put together the complete, and I'll shut up in a minute, the complete circle of corruption with the way they went after the party.
And then when I didn't fall in line, I mean, they tried to politically assassinate me.
They tried to ruin my entire fucking life.
And I don't think people really knows what was going on there.
It was vicious.
I've never experienced anything like this.
I asked them, did you at least get paid the 30 pieces of fucking silver?
It was fucking awful.
So just thoughts on that.
Well, I mean, I look, I said to Michael Heiss on the phone, maybe like maybe two years ago when we were first really, I was like, hey, if we're going to do this, like we're really going to do this, just know, like, they're going to come at us with everything.
Like, this is not, it's like, we are a real threat because we have the people and the popular support.
And they have these like positions, but I know that they'll try real dirty stuff to keep.
Look, they see what's happening here.
And you can call it whatever you want to.
It's funny because I know you argued with me about using the takeover language and all that stuff.
Yeah, Karen Ann, by the way, just a few months ago was telling me to cool it with the rhetoric and saying that Joe Bishop Henchman was a good guy, give him a chance.
Look what they did to her.
But so it's like, you know, call it whatever you want to.
We're already like, we're driving this thing, man.
We're driving this party.
And they see the handwriting on the walls.
They see our people.
They tried to convince themselves at first, like, oh, if they lose once or twice, they'll stop coming.
We're never going to stop coming.
Like, they see this now.
This is going to be ours by the end of the day.
And I don't mean ours like not any other good libertarians.
I'm just saying, you know what's going on in this party.
It's very easy to see where all the energy is.
And I know they're going to try dirty tricks to push back against that.
I expect more.
It's going to escalate.
It's going to increase in momentum and viciousness the closer we get to the national elections.
And for anyone out there who's watching and trying to find some verbal misstep of mine or Dave's so that you can blast on the internet or try to discover the party, why don't you come find me and say it to my face and stop being a coward.
Especially if you're a man.
If you're a man and you're too chicken shit to come say to my face that you disagree with me, I have zero respect for you.
So come say it to my face.
I am fairly certain that Angela could beat the shit out of most of the loser brigade.
Angela, come up again.
I think you're a Nazi and should give one of these.
And they'd be like, ah, all right.
Dave and I, we probably disagree on some tactics a little bit, but I'm looking out there and I like literally see the Twitter trolls.
Don't stop.
Meme them until they cry and then push them to self-harm.
I disavow Pete.
I love you, Pete, but I do disagree with you.
Listen, and I'm not, listen, I do get the spirit of what Pete just said, and I get that completely.
Humiliating Petty Criminals00:10:21
But there also are...
There are times when you see, let's just say, I'm not saying everyone who's woke has a mental illness, but there's a very strong correlation.
Okay?
And when you see some of these people, there are genuinely people who are like mentally ill and in this world.
And I do think that we should think twice before publicly humiliating mentally ill people a lot because it's just maybe not exactly what you want to be doing.
Oh, John Bolton, yeah, blood-soaked monsters go after them all day.
Yeah, they can...
No, they can burn in hell.
I don't care about that.
I'm just talking about insane leftists who call themselves libertarians for some reason.
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All right, Rob, what do we got?
No, I'll be altruistic here.
No, I'm taking it myself.
I sympathize with you on that point.
And I was thinking about this last year that Maya Angelou has this quote that it's not what you say to people that they'll remember, but how you make them feel.
And I want people spouting this shit about lockdowns and everything.
I want them to feel very fucking uncomfortable every time they hear my fucking name.
I want to humiliate these motherfuckers because they spout this shit.
I live in California.
They spout this shit and they are absolutely, they're so fucking sure that no one's going to say anything.
Okay?
So with someone's there with four or five people, I feel it's my dharma.
This is my purpose, is to not only make them feel uncomfortable, but to humiliate them so that they don't speak this again.
The next time they say it, they know some motherfucker is going to say, fuck you.
You know, you're being played, you're being duped, and go fuck yourself.
And then there's four or five other people there that are hearing this and seeing this person being humiliated.
And the last thing they're going to do is say, I'm not going to spout this shit.
They're going to fucking humiliate.
Someone's going to humiliate me.
So, yeah, let's make people feel uncomfortable.
All right.
Wasn't much of a question there, but.
I know who Pete's going to be drinking with late nights.
Listen, man, I will say I think that shame and ridicule and even like ostracizing our important social functions.
And that libertarians, particularly who don't believe in force being the kind of governing mechanism of society, well, there have to be other things that are there.
And look, those guys are certainly trying to use those tools on us, right?
Like anyone who was against the lockdowns, what were you were trying to kill grandma?
You just want your hair cut so grandma dies and all that.
So they use it against us.
So yeah, I think for people who are naked authoritarians, I think it is absolutely beneficial that particularly the elected leaders and like corporate leaders and shit, they should be mocked ruthlessly.
They should know that people are laughing at them and hostile toward them.
I think that's a very healthy thing in our society when political leaders know that they couldn't even go to a bar, you know, to have a drink amongst their constituents because they're just going to be mobbed by people who are fucking furious with them.
I am not advocating violence against political leaders because that would be illegal.
And I do not support that.
To be extra clear here, this is all satire.
But I do think they should know that people are furious with them.
And that's very healthy.
For people that are sincere, that can actually do a civil conversation and a dialogue, that's one thing.
But I'm talking about the willfully ignorant way where you present something, and I've had it with idiot whispering.
No more.
It's like, you know, you try to talk to them like a fucking horse, you know, like just bring it down to the most primitive thing.
I'm with you, brother.
I'll do one more question over here, and I'm going to go back.
So I've been listening to your podcast and love it and drag my husband along with me for listening to it and getting him involved.
We are now obviously interested in libertarianism, so that's why we're here.
And we're learning more every day.
And one of the questions that we had when we were talking about stuff that we've seen this week was, I understand that you're anti-police, and I'm totally fine with that on paper.
I'm not entirely clear how you address things like petty crime from becoming bigger crime or just petty crime in general.
That's the part of the platform that I am struggling with to understand.
That's sort of the hump I'm trying to get over.
Sure, sure.
So I guess so the issue of petty crime becoming bigger crime is certainly a very real concern.
And that is, right?
So if you look at almost any violent criminal, usually they would have a history of petty crime that leads up to that.
Now it's kind of like, you know, calling pot a gateway drug.
There's also a lot of people who commit petty crimes and never go on to commit like serious violent crimes.
So there's a balance there.
But the question, usually it's like this, right?
When people are struggling, and I remember being there, but like, I kind of like the idea of libertarianism, but there's these few answers that, like, how would it work with cops?
How would it work with military?
How would it work with this?
And I think the trap that people get into a lot is that you're comparing the libertarian solution to an idea in your head of this not being a problem, not comparing the libertarian solution to the statist solution.
And our reality is binary.
You either take the libertarian position or the state.
It's compared to what.
Nothing is perfect.
Libertarianism is not perfect.
It's not going to make a perfect society.
But if your concern is turning petty criminals into violent criminals, and your goal was to turn petty criminals into violent criminals, you couldn't have a more effective criminal justice system than what we have right now.
They take kids for minor non-violent crimes and give them records that they carry with them for their life.
And when I say kids, okay, I guess not if you're 17 or 16, then you can have it expunged.
But man, if you're 19, you're 20, and you're shoplifting, they're going to give you a fucking charge.
I mean, not in like Californians and places like that, but they're like, it's the whole incarceral system just leads to like hardening people where they have no other options except more and more violent crimes.
And the major thing is that most of the crimes that are real problems in this country are completely fueled by the black markets.
This is why there's the gang cultures and the drug trade and things like that.
It's the fact that they're all black markets.
Crime always thrives in black markets, whether it's prostitution or gambling or like anything you could think that the mob does.
What is it?
It's always something that there's demand for, but it's illegal.
And so only the criminals will do it, and then they do criminal shit and they make money off of it.
So the libertarian solution is the most peaceful, if that's the goal.
Can I add something to that?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Crime really goes down in areas where people are armed.
Yeah.
And also, armed people, unlike the police, armed people actually do a pretty good job of preventing you from taking your shit.
Like, cops show up after your stuff has been taken and file a report and a like single-digit percentage of the time actually end up recovering whatever was taken.
It's just this system doesn't really produce results, whereas an armed population, a private security, they're very effective at that.
Like Disney World has completely private security.
You know, Disney World, if you go into Disney World, it's Disney cops.
It's not like the state police.
And Disney is not bleeding money because people are stealing from them.
They protect their property.
They also don't put their knee on the guy's necks for nine minutes and three minutes past when he dies.
They just don't do that because that's bad business.
Critiquing China's Feedback Loop00:08:21
Huh?
Yes, they torture you.
They believe in slow torture for the sake of your children.
But your kid believes Mickey Mouse is real.
You know, it's incredible.
All right, who's next?
Robbie the Fire, what do you got for me?
So I'm Bill Barger with the New Hampshire Mecox.
I got two quick questions for you.
Sure thing.
First, can we talk about the Jews?
Second.
I have done too many episodes on it already, my friends.
We got to get Nick Flint as in that.
The second question is, when are all you guys moving to New Hampshire, the only free state in the union?
They love that question, Dave.
He can't come up here.
No, it's the question you know you're going to get when you come up here.
You guys are pushing it.
And that's our episode.
Thanks, everybody.
I thought Bitcoin maximalists were annoying.
Yeah, I know.
I will be addressing that tomorrow at 12 p.m.
They always want you to move here.
You're free staters.
Can't stop.
You're the vegans of libertarians.
Can't stop talking about it.
Move to New Hampshire.
I have family in other places.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I do love it up here.
It's beautiful.
And I will continue to come up here in the summer.
So why should we not shit post?
I'm sorry?
Why should we not shit post anymore?
I don't know.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Maybe you should.
Look, I was saying, and I realize I should have probably been more specific about this, because shit posting is a very broad term.
And there are times when it's done really artful and really well.
And there's times when there's like really brilliant trolls.
And then there's times where it's just done in bad ways.
But I was just saying that it's like what's happening right now is that we're in this kind of feedback loop with the Mises caucus thing, where they make these wild accusations at us for being, you know, whatever, racist Nazis, transphobes, all this stuff.
Then our guys ruthlessly mock them for saying that.
And then they take that mockery as proof that we are, in fact, racist, transphobe, all these things, right?
And so I'm just saying a lot of times now, now that we are winning, you're doing more to give fuel to the fire than you are by helping us.
But you know what?
There are also other situations where maybe it's the right thing to do.
This is why you don't have fucking central planning and you have decentralization.
People, do what you think is the right thing to do.
I'm going to say what I think is the right thing to do and try to, you know, really move this party into a direction where it's a force, because that seems like a good idea.
Work on your branding.
I think that shitposting is great when it's done by someone who's skilled and it's done artfully.
If you, yes, you're welcome.
If you suck at shitposting, my recommendation is to keep practicing it in the darkest corners of the internet.
And once you have become more skilled and you're like Wendy's or stake um then bring it to the forefront.
But just keep honing your craft.
I won't give up on you.
I believe in you.
Can I just say, and I want to hear, Pete, obviously your perspective on this is a unique one.
But I just want to say that I, whatever I ever say about what someone tweets online, and I've made this clear for years and years and years, my real position is I don't really care.
Like it's just, it's very, very unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
And like it's just, I think like even getting lost in it, like whether you posted the wrong thing or not or whatever, who cares?
Like the freaking government went totalitarian in the last year.
We're in a fight here.
I don't care about whether someone trolls someone else or tells dark jokes or whatever.
I don't, it doesn't matter to me.
Keep doing it.
And if you want any pointers, hit me up.
Queet Shit Posting University.
Let's do it.
Dave, how many more questions you want to take?
What is it?
It's 2.24 now.
We got more time here, right?
All right, let's do it.
Let's roll.
What time do you need us to wrap?
I am Lily Tang Williams.
I'm actually escaped the real oppression in communist country, China.
IRBC.
Well, that's the good part.
The bad part is that we have seen, I have seen this country going down the tube at the same way for years.
And how do we induce America to some communist, even CCP people here?
I don't get it.
Tomorrow, I'm going to talk about this.
Tomorrow, 11 o'clock here, talk about Yes America becoming China.
Because that would be my last nightmare.
And as libertarians, how do we get effective to save the country, educate our youth about evils of those ideology?
When I go to school, tell kids about Mouse China.
They have no clue how many people die.
They have no clue.
What hell is libertarianism?
So we have to be more effective.
You are a comedian.
You can't figure out with all those people here.
How do we save this country?
Because I don't want this country becoming like China.
I don't want to relive it.
Wow.
Will you be my dictator?
I would have just followed whatever she ordered me to do right there.
I think I understand how it works.
I don't know what I'm trying.
This is the best I've got right now.
This is what I think.
I said, I don't know.
Be hilarious, talk about Rothbard, drop a lot of F-bombs.
That's been my plan so far.
But listen, I think what you're saying is very real.
Look, there are very troubling signs.
Even amongst a group of libertarians, we almost got to remind ourselves, you know, how serious this is.
There are really troubling signs about the direction our society is taking.
And how did we get to this point?
The simple answer is that we let them teach the kids.
And that's how all of this propaganda has spread.
We have taken far too much.
And that's not a critique of them.
That's a critique of us.
I'm not criticizing them for propagandizing our children.
I'm criticizing us, our side, for letting our children be propagandized.
I mean, I don't care what else there is in life, what excuses I could make or what circumstances I'm in.
It is my job as a father to not allow my children to be propagandized.
And more people need to have that attitude.
This country gave up on the primacy of family.
They gave up on the importance of raising your children yourself and this, and we're paying for it in a very major way.
And so it's not a short-term solution, unfortunately.
But the only real solution that will ever work is that we got to raise our children in loving, stable environments and teach them values.
That's the only way to have a moral society.
And if we're not going to do that, so the most important thing you could do is be really good to your kids and take care of them.
That's the best.
And I think take over academia.
Yeah, that'd be nice too.
That'd be nice too.
And speaking of that, the great Tom Woods has a question.
Tom Woods!
Look at this controversial figure splitting the audience.
Thanks.
Roasting the Comedians00:02:40
Dave, as something of an amateur hobby podcaster myself, I'd like to ask how you account for how you went from, like, you came to my 1,000th episode and you roasted me.
And when you came up, people were happy enough to see Dave Smith.
Now it's 2021 and it's like a mob scene, you're like an international superstar.
How the hell do you account for this?
That's an excellent question, Tom.
I slept with Joe Rogan, and You do what you gotta do in this world, am I right?
Okay.
And for the record, he was loving and caring.
Is that what I have to do?
Oh, yeah, no, anyone can do it.
It's really, it's that easy, but you have to do it.
You have to do it.
You know, I don't know, Tom.
Like, it just, things have picked up, and it's always...
To me, where I've gone in this whole liberty space was like a natural progression.
Like, it was like all steps along the way.
I've been saying the right things for a really long time.
And I am not, like, in any way, like, like, I work in the comedy world where I know like comedians who are way better than me.
Just like I know the best comedians in the world.
You know what I mean?
Like, I see a Dave Chappelle.
I see a Bill Burr.
I know the level of comedy.
And I know the level, well, and I, it's okay.
And small doses, sure.
But I know the level of like brilliance that some libertarians have that are like way, way, way smarter than me.
You know what I mean?
Like I know that.
So I kind of know where I fit in this world.
And I've been, I'm just good at doing it the way I do it.
And I have, because I was taught by the best people, Tom Woods included, in that list, I'm right about everything.
And when you're right about everything, it just helps.
So I've gotten like all the major stories of the last few years, me and Robbie the Fire Burns team.
We've gotten them all right right away.
We were right about Trump, Russia, and Mueller and all that stuff.
We were right about COVID the whole time.
We were right about all this stuff.
And we're right about the Libertarian Party too.
So the answer is be right all the time.
I see you too.
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All right, we're going to give Yelly guy a chance here.
Hey, I know that we are taking over the Libertarian Party as far as the dominant, more focused culture.
But there are all sorts of subgroups of different libertarian topics.
I'm very networked into the food freedom movement.
Got some raw milk here.
But you know.
Libertarians only clap for raw milk because it's against the law.
Yeah.
Like I'm like, yeah, I will die for those raw milk people.
And you're like, you want some?
Like, oh, I don't even know.
I don't even know what that is.
I don't even understand it, really.
But you should be allowed.
So similarly to how there's been like alliances with health freedom with the COVID thing, how do we in the Libertarian Party really gather up these various different subcultures that are oriented toward freedom?
Food freedom, health freedom, various things where we stand for accountability and freedom that aren't part of our general, like, we understand libertarianism because we read a bunch of books.
They're like, hey, I want to make sure that my kid doesn't have to, you know, if I don't like vaccines, we don't have to live that way if we don't, you know, we can make our own decisions.
How do we align with those people who aren't particularly of our culture and create that sort of multivariate topic-oriented libertarianism outreach?
Angela, you wanted to.
So, this is a passion project of mine that if I chair the National Party, I will absolutely make sure that we elevate the medical freedom and the food freedom communities.
Not only is it important for principles and ideological reasons, it will grow our numbers and it will also bring more women into the party.
People always complain we don't have enough women.
Women care very much about the safety of their children and what their children eat.
So, I will absolutely champion that for you on social media, in interviews, in networking, every way you can imagine.
I'll make sure it happens.
Angela for chair, more women.
Let's go, people.
I personally feel we have too many women in the movement, and I'd like to address that from a different perspective.
But yeah, I think that's great, and I think like the real heart of it is like it's like coalition on everything.
Like, any issue.
That was like the Ron Paul thing, right?
Coalition on any freedom issue, any freedom issue.
If someone's good on that, if there's a group who's good on guns, we're with them on the gun issue.
Let's work to do whatever we can for that.
Anyone who's good on any freedom, medical, food, anything.
And I do think you're right that we got to be like, we got to be smart about it.
It's good business because there are people who care about those concerns and we can introduce them to our other ideas.
And it's also just the right thing to do because, you know, like, yeah, those people deserve their freedom also.
Oh, we got one more.
Do you want to say Pete?
Wanted to say something real quick?
I think one of the problems in libertarianism is that you can say medical freedom, but most people know what he's talking about is vaccines.
And I think one of the big splits in libertarianism is people, a group of people who believe the most outrageous shit on the planet and push for it are scared to go research whether vaccines are safe or not.
And if they come to the conclusion that they're not for everyone, they're not for everyone and they should be a choice, they think they're going to be like some kind of pariah.
You're already a pariah in society.
Okay?
You already believe shit that people think you're nuts for.
What is this a big step?
Come on.
Stop being cowards about that subject and really look into it.
Hi, Dave.
I have two questions.
Don't worry, none of them are about the Jews.
So the first one, as a fellow suffer in the state of New Jersey, my first question is: are you tired of it yet?
And two, do you call it pork roll or tailor ham?
Oh, well, I don't, my wife's family, they're all from Jersey and they all call it Taylor Ham.
I just call it gross.
But I don't, not my thing.
I'm a bacon guy.
But, am I tired?
What was it?
Am I tired of what in New Jersey?
That's my cover, bro.
It's one thing to be a Jewish Nazi.
I can't just be a regular Nazi.
I mean, ham, yeah.
No.
No, I'm not that Jewish.
The Jews make a lot of really good points, but they screwed up the bacon thing for sure.
But am I tired of what?
Just living there?
Yeah, I was telling Pete the other day, like, I think as the country gets crazier and crazier, I'm just going more and more rural.
So, like, I've made it from the city to the suburbs, but I'm only three clicks away from like a Ruby Ridge-type living situation.
Like, one more round of lockdowns, and I'm just going really into the woods somewhere.
So, we'll see.
You guys got woods out here?
Oh, okay.
Well, that changes everything.
I haven't seen any woods since I've been here.
Maybe.
I got kids.
My kids got grandparents and stuff, and they're all around.
You got to be, you know, I got to be close to them.
Well, I'm not, I mean, I want to be close to them, but I don't want to like move in with them up here.
All right, we got another question over here.
Reaching Conspiracy Movements00:09:14
So a moment ago, we were talking about arts and entertainment, getting more people involved in that.
And then just now, just, you know, more recently, somebody was suggesting, hey, how do we uplift some of these particular communities?
So on following those, I'm a big fan of knowing your audience, and I see a lot of people here.
And when I look at the crowd, I see a lot of ambassadors.
So my question is, are there communities that any of you three believe are being underserved by members of the Libertarian Party that we need to focus on and know more?
Oh, I mean, I think there are major, gigantic demographics of the American people who the Libertarian Party just simply don't make an effort to reach out to.
And in many cases, they're people who are very liberty-oriented or at least very receptive to the message of libertarian.
But if that happens to be like a right-wing group of people, then we don't want to talk to them at all.
The fact that we can't talk to, you know, like that there are, we're living through our culture, right?
Whatever your comment might be on it, it might be from the point of view of more socially progressive or more socially conservative.
But our culture has been destroyed by status policies.
And we all know that.
And conservatives are very upset about that.
And there's like no attempt to reach out to them.
There's no attempt to reach out to working class people amongst libertarians.
It's a major, major problem.
It's a major problem that there's so much contempt for the values of working class people that it's like every one of the, like, you know, the people like woke lecturing about this or that.
This is not at all the values of blue-collar workers.
That is not their values.
These are like college, university, privileged values that they're pushing on everyone else.
We should be concerned with regular working class people and the fact that they have no ability to, you know, manage the inflated prices of housing and health care and education.
The fact that they're constantly, the ruling elite is constantly like just showing pure hatred for them.
I think we should reach out to those people.
And I think we should do a much better job reaching out to the anti-war left.
And you don't do that by pandering to the woke bullshit.
You do that by saying something real and pointing out how the woke bullshit is nothing compared to the message that they have right.
And almost at this point, almost every good leftist hates the woke shit more than me and you hate the woke shit.
Because that's what they're around constantly.
They're the ones being called a Nazi for still being anti-war or something like that.
So anything?
Yeah, the Libertarian Party specifically, and maybe the Free State Project too, is very insular in its culture.
And there's a very good Mises Institute article titled Something Like Why the Left Wins.
And I recommend you all look it up and read it.
And it talks about how the left goes out and it infiltrates everything else in academia and how they push, push, push.
We need to do that as libertarians.
All right, let's take two more questions.
Two more.
I got Guy Fieri here.
So I just want to recap something from the last few minutes to make sure I'm getting the right takeaway.
It's about coalition building interspersed with shit posting.
Yeah.
I mean, it does sound good when you put it that way.
Yeah, man.
I mean, it's everybody's got to do their own thing.
Like, however you spread this the most effectively, do that.
You know, double down on that.
When you find something that you're good at that's working, do that more.
And I think that that's our best bet.
Have a decentralized army of people who love liberty.
And everybody's coming at this from their own angle.
Like, I fully recognize that there are people who my style of presenting this message is not going to resonate with.
There's people who just, whatever it is about me, they don't like my cursing or whatever, or they don't like my perspective on some of these issues.
So okay, if someone's better at reaching those people than me, go reach those people.
But just, you know, don't spend all your time trying to chop me down for reaching all these people this way.
You know, like if we're in this together and we all want to spread these ideas, then I say everyone do what you're good at.
All right, we're going to take one more from the back.
Who wants one in the back?
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I got a quick one.
Where do I get a My Cock shirt?
You got to fight me for it, bro.
That's the way it works.
Yeah.
Only one person.
Robbie had to beat up Michael Heiss to get that one, and you have to beat up Robbie to get that shirt.
There's only one.
But whoever is wearing it is coming off a victory in a fist fight.
That's what we know.
We'll take one last one.
One last question.
Hey, guys.
So I wanted to bring your attention to the...
So John McAfee in 2019 posted something about a dead man's switch and there was a, and then he got that tattoo whacked on his bicep.
And then there was an Ethereum token created, the wax token, which recently has started uploading transactions to the blockchain.
So people are kind of conspiratorily minded, thinking that maybe this is the dead man's switch activating.
My two questions are, do you think that these sorts of potential hoaxes or sort of elaborate games serve a purpose?
Are they useful to getting people involved or thinking about liberty or whatever?
Like the conspiracy of all of it, you mean?
QAnon.
So like the QAnon people type thing, you're saying?
It does sort of seem like it might be a QAnon thing, but it might be interesting.
I'm not sure.
It's a hoax.
Yeah, so the thing is, like, the more wild, outlandish conspiracies, which, by the way, are almost always driven by your desire to want the story to be this way.
You know what I mean?
Like, let's just be honest about it.
It's just that it's such an interesting story.
That was a big part of, like, why 9-11 Truth was so popular.
Because it's just like, whoa, we're living in this crazy movie where the government did this to us.
And I'm not taking a position one way or the other on it.
I'm saying a lot of people fall in love with that story.
And I'm seeing a lot of people do that right now with McAfee.
Now, I don't know the details of it, but people are getting a couple little details and jumping to these wild conclusions.
I'm happy to have some Ryan Dawson type dude just present every piece of evidence when he has it.
And he's done all the research and really come to a conclusion.
I'm open-minded about what it might be.
There are some real benefits to some of those conspiracy movements.
There is very demonstrable benefit to large groups of people believing that their government is evil and not to be trusted.
You know, there is real benefit in that, even if they've got the story wrong.
But the problem, and I bet everyone in this room has experienced this before, the problem is that when they get so many things wrong, when they're so sloppy, they end up creating this caricature of who the person who's suspicious of the government is.
And then that gets thrown in your face.
So, you know, like how many people have heard that about Alex Jones, right?
As soon as you start telling someone about some evil, crazy, corrupt thing the government did, like, all right, Alex Jones, like, settle down.
So now he's created a thing where they can put you in a box and just dismiss anything you want to say.
And the truth is that there are all types of really, very real, wild conspiracies that have happened through the course of this country, which was founded on a conspiratorial coup.
I didn't catch any of that, but I like your enthusiasm, sir.
If I can add something to that is, I've been saying this since the election, that obviously there are 70 million people who are pissed off and think the election got stolen.
Even if you don't believe the election got stolen, just start telling them what, if it was stolen in 2020, then why isn't it going to be stolen in 2024?
Absolutely get them mad at the system, get them blackpilled on the system, and then start telling them about economics.
I'm going to get a little bit of gift back to what I probably believe more than half of every weird conspiracy theory out there, which is that what I saw happen with QAnon, and the same thing could happen with the Maccabee conspiracies, is that people tend to insulate themselves and they spin out these fantasies about how, you know, QAnon, someone's going to ride in on a dark horse from the White House to save them.
No one from the federal government is ever going to lead a revolution right now.
So we need to let that.
Adult Only Scandals00:01:32
Amen.
Amen.
And also, just to back up the point that you made that I was mentioning earlier that you posted the other day, that almost sometimes these things can be a distraction.
And you can go like, well, even no matter what, even if it wasn't a conspiracy, even if he killed himself and there's nothing there, and it turns out he said all that stuff, but then he also did end up committing suicide, right?
Even that was the truth.
This man was killed by the federal government of the United States of America, prosecuting him over bullshit tax laws.
That's what they did.
They made him a fugitive because he wouldn't give up his freedom because he didn't want to fund war criminals.
That is the story.
That's a fact.
There's no question about that.
So no matter what else happened, this is a scandal, you know, and we should keep our eyes on that because that is the most important factor.
The revolution starts with you, not with QAnon, and sadly not even with MaxBeach.
It's every person in this room and whether or not it means enough to you.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
All right.
Well, listen, we're going to wrap on that.
We will be back here.
Me and Robbie the Fire are doing a live stand-up comedy show at 6 p.m.
Any other announcement that we have?
Yeah, guys, stand-up show is going to be a ton of fun.
If you have kids, leave them to do kid shit.
So seriously, it's adult only.
Unless you have cool kids.
Cool kids are welcome.
Believe the nerds at the hotel.
All right.
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