Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Joshua Smith
Aired: 2021-05-18
Duration: 01:09:10


=== Mises Caucus Resentment (14:11) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
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[00:00:30]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:00:33]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:37]  Quick apologies before we start the show.
[00:00:40]  I know my schedule was a little bit messed up.
[00:00:42]  I did record an episode for Friday's show with Scott Horton.
[00:00:46]  Had some trouble with the file, but I got it all together.
[00:00:49]  So I got an episode coming with Scott Horton on the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
[00:00:54]  Look out for that.
[00:00:55]  But today, I am thrilled to be joined back once again on the show, Joshua Smith.
[00:01:00]  Josh is the host of Break the Cycle.
[00:01:03]  Of course, you guys know he was the Mises caucus-backed candidate for chair of the Libertarian Party in 2018 and in 2020.
[00:01:11]  And I'm very happy to be joined by him again.
[00:01:13]  What's up, Josh?
[00:01:14]  How you living, brother?
[00:01:15]  Oh, I'm doing all right, man.
[00:01:16]  Thanks a lot for having me on.
[00:01:17]  I really appreciate it.
[00:01:18]  Of course, congrats on the new show.
[00:01:20]  If people haven't checked it out already, they got to go.
[00:01:22]  Josh has been killing it.
[00:01:24]  You've had basically everyone who's anyone in the liberty movement on your show.
[00:01:29]  A lot of really great guests.
[00:01:30]  I've been really enjoying it.
[00:01:31]  I'd say I think it's my favorite new Liberty podcast that's out there.
[00:01:35]  Oh, that's so rad, man.
[00:01:36]  I really appreciate it.
[00:01:37]  Yeah, it's, you know, it was something that I wanted to do for a long time.
[00:01:40]  And I finally got some downtime after traveling around for four years straight and was like, all right, it's time to do this.
[00:01:46]  And started putting it together.
[00:01:48]  And, you know, initially it was just going to be an audio podcast, but then I was like, no, let's do a good show.
[00:01:53]  So I started building the equipment and building the set.
[00:01:56]  And it's really turned out great.
[00:01:58]  I've been extremely lucky to have great people like you and Scott Horton.
[00:02:01]  And I did a show with Zubi this morning that'll be coming out on Friday.
[00:02:05]  And so, yeah, I mean, I've been really extremely fortunate to kind of leverage some of my contacts, you know, after four years of being in the movement and traveling around.
[00:02:14]  So thanks again for talking about it, man.
[00:02:17]  Of course.
[00:02:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:18]  Well, I think it's, I really do think it's one of the most important elements.
[00:02:22]  And I know that there's some libertarians in the party who have little positions here or there, and they like to kind of dismiss the idea of these pod.
[00:02:34]  Oh, you're just doing podcasts or something like that.
[00:02:36]  And you're like, I don't know.
[00:02:37]  Seems to me, I mean, I'm not dismissing anyone who does anything within the party or outside of the party or any type of activism, but it seems that creating our own media is a pretty important function if we're going to move the needle at all and get to a freer society.
[00:02:53]  That, you know, obviously the corporate press plays a pretty large role in selling the government policies.
[00:02:59]  So we need some people out there who are speaking to audiences selling our policies, which are freedom.
[00:03:06]  I totally agree.
[00:03:07]  I think, you know, the more we can flood the market with libertarian voices, the better.
[00:03:11]  Honestly, there's that whole loser brigade elects to rally against the podcasters.
[00:03:18]  Oh, the podcasters.
[00:03:18]  It's like, well, what are you doing, man?
[00:03:20]  What are you doing?
[00:03:21]  I just got more audio downloads in the last two months than the National Libertarian Party has members.
[00:03:26]  So it's a pretty big deal.
[00:03:28]  You know what I mean?
[00:03:28]  Like you can reach a lot of people this way if you put out a quality product.
[00:03:32]  And so it's, you know, I don't care what those people say.
[00:03:34]  You know me, man.
[00:03:36]  That simultaneously makes me happy your show is doing well and also just bummed that the Libertarian Party can as a member of the member of the Libertarian National Committee.
[00:03:45]  It also bums me out.
[00:03:46]  Yeah.
[00:03:46]  Yeah.
[00:03:47]  You know, it is what it is.
[00:03:48]  Well, I'll tell you, man, we just, so obviously we're both members of the Mises caucus and we just had this event in Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh the other day.
[00:03:58]  It was just incredible.
[00:04:00]  I wanted to start off talking about that a little bit.
[00:04:02]  What the Mises Caucus has been doing, man, is just phenomenal.
[00:04:05]  This was, thank you so much to everybody who came out and to all the people, Michael Heiss particularly, who organized the whole thing.
[00:04:14]  It was just, I mean, like, the room was packed, hundreds of people.
[00:04:17]  It was energy like the Ron Paul days.
[00:04:20]  Like, and that's to me, just like such a beautiful thing.
[00:04:23]  It was so like invigorating for me to be there.
[00:04:26]  I know I just heard the California results came in.
[00:04:30]  Mises caucus did really good out there.
[00:04:32]  It's been just been a really, really phenomenal year for the caucus.
[00:04:37]  Yeah.
[00:04:37]  And I mean, you know, there was a lot of groundwork laid over the last four years for that.
[00:04:41]  No doubt about it.
[00:04:41]  Michael Heis, Jeff, and Luke and all these guys on the board of the Mises Caucus have been really putting their heart and soul into this work for four years, you know, and in the face of adversity.
[00:04:52]  I mean, obviously, you know, they've been called white nationalists and Republicans who like to smoke weed and GOP outcasts and this and that.
[00:04:59]  And that's just simply not the truth.
[00:05:00]  I don't even know these guys.
[00:05:01]  The funny thing is they'll, in one breath, call us paleos and then in the other breath call us Republicans who like to smoke weed.
[00:05:07]  And we're like, so do you really understand the whole paleo thing at all?
[00:05:11]  Because, you know, the liking to smoke weed part isn't really like.
[00:05:15]  That's not a big part of the paleo strategy.
[00:05:18]  You know, they're not like, let's get as high as we can, okay?
[00:05:21]  And then talk to all of these hardcore conservative Christians.
[00:05:24]  Okay.
[00:05:24]  This is a great idea.
[00:05:25]  It's a great idea.
[00:05:27]  I'll tell you, though, what ended up happening.
[00:05:29]  So on Friday night, I spoke and Scott Horton spoke at this event.
[00:05:33]  And then on Saturday, it was the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania's convention.
[00:05:39]  And there have been some people who were critics of the Mises caucus who are kind of dunking on them because, oh, they didn't win at that convention.
[00:05:50]  I will tell you, I couldn't have been more encouraged by what happened at the Pennsylvania state convention.
[00:05:56]  I thought it was beautiful.
[00:05:57]  And I just want to break it down a little bit.
[00:05:59]  And first, let me just preface by saying I'm not the expert in like state party bylaws and stuff like that.
[00:06:07]  Like I'm, that's not my role in this.
[00:06:09]  You know, like I'm a communicator and I run a show and I'm a stand-up comic, but that's not my expertise.
[00:06:15]  But so there have been some complaints from the Mises caucus that the party engaged in corruption and shadiness.
[00:06:23]  And there are some areas where I don't really know whether that's true or not.
[00:06:28]  I know about 20 people who they say were eligible to vote, were prohibited from voting.
[00:06:33]  There were some other things that seemed a little bit shady, but I don't know for sure.
[00:06:37]  Like there was at one point they had a vote where there were more votes than there were eligible people to vote that came in, which seemed a little off.
[00:06:46]  But again, perhaps there's some other explanation that I'm not aware of.
[00:06:49]  But the major thing that happened was that they voted.
[00:06:55]  There's a bylaw that states that you have to be a member for 180 days before you can vote at the convention.
[00:07:02]  However, this bylaw is always waived.
[00:07:04]  It's never been used ever.
[00:07:07]  30 years.
[00:07:07]  Right.
[00:07:07]  30 years.
[00:07:09]  So they didn't waive it this time.
[00:07:12]  And they were like, none of the new members can vote.
[00:07:14]  And so, you know, some people from the Mises caucus were saying this is corruption.
[00:07:19]  Some critics of the Mises caucus were saying, no, it was used to do exactly what it's supposed to be there for to prevent a takeover and all of this.
[00:07:27]  And my thing is, I'm going to say, honestly, and maybe I'll ruffle some Mises caucus feathers here.
[00:07:34]  I kind of agree with the critics on this more than the caucus members.
[00:07:39]  Look, technically, corruption, if it's a bylaw, they have a right to invoke the bylaw or use the bylaw, you know?
[00:07:46]  And they have a right to not waive it.
[00:07:48]  And they're right.
[00:07:49]  It did prevent the Mises caucus from taking over the party, and that's why they used it.
[00:07:55]  But I just zoom out from that and I go, that is so encouraging.
[00:07:59]  I mean, so they basically knew.
[00:08:01]  Pennsylvania, by the way, they've been bragging about the new membership going up and kind of claiming, well, it's not all due to the Mises caucus.
[00:08:08]  You know, a lot of it's us.
[00:08:09]  But when push came to shove, they knew exactly who the new membership was.
[00:08:13]  And they ended up disenfranchising a few hundred people because it would have put the state party into Mises caucus hands.
[00:08:20]  But all it did was prolong the inevitable.
[00:08:23]  It was a tremendous admission.
[00:08:25]  Even the people bragging, oh, this was used to prevent a takeover.
[00:08:28]  You're like, right.
[00:08:29]  So in other words, if you had let the new members vote, we would have gotten all of our people in.
[00:08:34]  Okay.
[00:08:35]  Well, guess what?
[00:08:36]  The rule is 180 days.
[00:08:38]  And by the next convention, that rule will be up and we're only growing.
[00:08:42]  So I just took this as like, this is a huge victory.
[00:08:45]  And like, what, I don't know.
[00:08:47]  I mean, I'll let you get in here, but I just, I go like, so there's this one group who has this killer event with hundreds of people, crazy enthusiasm, all of these great speakers and me.
[00:08:59]  And then there's this other group that has to invoke a never before used bylaw to keep all of this energy from being able to be present at the convention.
[00:09:10]  Which one of those groups would you rather be in?
[00:09:13]  Like who there seems like the one that you'd be like, oh, I want to be on that team, right?
[00:09:18]  So just, it seemed like such a great, I'm really invigorated by the whole weekend.
[00:09:22]  Well, sure.
[00:09:23]  And they knew it was coming.
[00:09:24]  You know, I mean, look, we took Nevada.
[00:09:26]  There's no doubt about it.
[00:09:27]  We took every single board position in Nevada.
[00:09:29]  And that was the worst state.
[00:09:30]  I mean, as far as libertarian state affiliates go, we all know how bad they were.
[00:09:35]  We took New Hampshire.
[00:09:36]  And in fact, we got Nicholas Sarwark noted in New Hampshire.
[00:09:41]  I mean, that was a direct Mises caucus thing.
[00:09:44]  And so it's funny to me because in 2018, when I was running for chairman of the Libertarian National Committee, I was backed by the Libertarian Party Mises Caucus.
[00:09:51]  I came to them.
[00:09:52]  I asked them for their endorsement.
[00:09:53]  I'm a big Austrian economics guy.
[00:09:55]  You know, I love the Mises Institute.
[00:09:56]  And so I was like, I was like, look, I am the guy that's going to take your message on the road.
[00:10:01]  And we were nothing.
[00:10:02]  We were going to, I was showing up to conventions.
[00:10:03]  There was one or two Mises members in every state convention.
[00:10:06]  And to see that now there's state parties invoking a bylaw that they have laxed for 30 years to stop the Mises caucus from taking board positions is one of the most beautiful things that could ever happen.
[00:10:18]  And, you know, I'm mad about it.
[00:10:20]  Obviously, I'm like, okay, you guys are assholes for doing this because you're essentially telling the Mises caucus that they're not libertarian enough to be a part of your organization, which is bullshit.
[00:10:30]  I mean, we know that the Mises Caucus is the North Star of the Libertarian Party.
[00:10:34]  In my opinion, it's the radicals and the Mises Caucus.
[00:10:37]  These are the people that are the shining North Star for our trajectory as a party, our trajectory as a philosophy.
[00:10:45]  So it's really, it is encouraging to see that and also extremely bumming at the same time.
[00:10:51]  But, you know, they do their elections every year, you know, so we got 365 days.
[00:10:56]  I became a new proud member of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania yesterday.
[00:11:01]  So I know that my vote will count next year when I show up to Pennsylvania to say that we're not going to take that again.
[00:11:08]  So I hope that other people will do the same.
[00:11:09]  I know a lot of people signed up yesterday.
[00:11:12]  I've been following the Mises Caucus Discord.
[00:11:14]  I don't always talk in there, but they're not going to be able to stop us forever.
[00:11:19]  Yeah.
[00:11:19]  Well, I've already committed that I promise I will be back there next year.
[00:11:24]  And I know that this, you know, it's like, okay, you want to play this game?
[00:11:28]  Fine.
[00:11:28]  But they just lit a fire under every libertarian in Pennsylvania that we're going to be back next year in bigger numbers.
[00:11:35]  That is my promise.
[00:11:36]  If you thought you had a lot to hold off this time, wait till next year at this time.
[00:11:41]  And it was almost an admission by them.
[00:11:43]  And I think like if I'm just completely dispassionately removing myself from the situation and trying to analyze it, you go like, okay, yeah, I suppose it was a smart tactic because they would have just lost if they hadn't.
[00:12:00]  So if you're coming from the position of just trying to maintain power, if you can even call it that, okay, then sure, like maybe this was the necessary tactic.
[00:12:11]  However, you go, if you look at things in the long run, you really just kicked the can for one more year.
[00:12:20]  And now you're going to need to work with a lot of these people in the future.
[00:12:23]  And people are going to be, and I've been trying to be the voice of like, just let it go.
[00:12:28]  Who cares?
[00:12:29]  Once we're in charge of this, we'll work with any good libertarians.
[00:12:33]  I understand there's going to be resentment about this.
[00:12:35]  And it's just, you know, it's funny because you say, you know, the Mises and the radicals are the North Star.
[00:12:41]  And I completely agree with you.
[00:12:42]  But I'd also say, like, my challenge to the pragmatists would be to say, look, if you have this Ron Paul revolution enthusiasm entering the party, isn't the pragmatic option to welcome that in?
[00:12:59]  What would be pragmatic about kicking out all of these new members or at least discouraging them from participating in the process?
[00:13:07]  Yeah, really.
[00:13:08]  It really flies in the face of what Nicholas Sarwark said in your debate and on your show is, you know, if Hitler or Cheney was the presidential candidate in the Libertarian Party, we should be supporting that person.
[00:13:19]  You should feel compelled to support that person, but not the Libertarian Party Mises caucus.
[00:13:23]  We should not feel compelled to support this movement, kick them all out, get rid of them.
[00:13:28]  And those are the people, you know, I'll never unify with those people ever.
[00:13:31]  Well, and of course, also, you know, it's like if the Kentucky Party compares COVID vaccines to the Yellow Star or something like that, well, any reference to Nazism is just absolutely horrible.
[00:13:45]  And this is anti-Semitic and yada yada.
[00:13:48]  However, I've never heard one of these people stand up and say, hey, you know, comparing the Mises caucus to fascists, that's also really offensive.
[00:13:56]  That's all, right?
[00:13:57]  Like that, that never seems to receive the same condemnation, even though it's our own people, not a government policy, but our own people being compared to fascists.
[00:14:07]  You know, it's so, yeah, look, there's a lot of, there's a lot of desperation out of that crowd.

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[00:14:12]  But I think that I know that there were a fair amount of non-Mises caucus members who were at the event that I spoke at on Friday.
[00:14:22]  I think they're going to put all those speeches online in the next couple of days so you guys all have a chance to see them.
[00:14:28]  But I know that there were a few.
[00:14:29]  I don't know exactly how many, but I spoke to some of the people there who weren't in the Mises caucus, but came to the event.
[00:14:35]  And it was just like the energy was undeniable.
[00:14:38]  Like they were like, oh, there's something really special happening here.
[00:14:41]  And I think more and more people on the fence are starting to realize that.
[00:14:48]  Well, they should.
[00:14:49]  I mean, you know, it's been four years.
[00:14:50]  It's not, this isn't a new thing.
[00:14:52]  The Mises Cox been around for four years.
[00:14:54]  They're not, you know, they're not using their power to draw new borders or something.
[00:14:58]  You know what I mean?
[00:14:59]  And that's the thing.
[00:15:00]  They're always like, oh, these guys are Nazis.
[00:15:01]  And you're like, oh, yeah, why?
[00:15:02]  And they're like, well, they believe in state mandated borders.
[00:15:06]  I'm like, I've been in that group forever and I know almost nobody who believes in state-mandated borders.
[00:15:11]  And then they're like, yeah, well, Nazis, you know, and it's like, it's like, that's all you got.
[00:15:15]  That's it.
[00:15:15]  That's all it is.
[00:15:16]  You know, and so yeah, it's very obvious that the energy is behind the Mises caucus.
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=== Working Class Populism (11:11) ===

[00:17:38]  He showed up to the California event.
[00:17:40]  Oh, nice.
[00:17:41]  He said he put it out on his Twitter that he actually walked into the wrong event.
[00:17:44]  He walked into the Libertarian Party event at first, thinking it was the Mises Caucus event.
[00:17:48]  And he said, he said he stood there for about 10 minutes and they had Jorgensen and Cohen and some other people.
[00:17:52]  And he's like, he's like, oh, I got to go, it's across the street.
[00:17:55]  So he goes across the street and he walks into the Mises event.
[00:17:58]  He's like, the energy was just so much different.
[00:18:01]  He said it was boring, calm, normal, political stuff.
[00:18:04]  And then he walked over to the Mises Caucus and it was like, you know, just a huge amount of energy.
[00:18:09]  And I can't remember who was speaking.
[00:18:11]  He caught the last part of somebody great speech, but he said, you know, even this man who was pretty anti-party politics before getting on with the Mises Caucus is like, you can see the energy.
[00:18:22]  It's not even close, you know.
[00:18:23]  And I don't know why you would be mad about that coming into your party unless, unless you've had this big platform in this small pond for so long, and now your positions are being challenged in the party that you know this, this big platform that you've had, or whatever platform it is you think you've had, um is now being challenged and and and so we're deleting, diluting that small pond into a bigger pawn, with more people that are going to become, more activists are going to become, you know, more candidates, more candidate uh managers, campaign managers,
[00:18:51]  and and uh campaign teams and you, You know, it scares them because they're not going to hold the power that they think they've had for all this time.
[00:18:59]  And so I get it, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, all the way.
[00:19:03]  Well, it's, I, I, I, I got to say, I think it comes from a real insecurity.
[00:19:08]  Um, because I, you know, when I, I just think about it, like how if somebody else came along and just stole the energy, like let's just say someone who maybe even has some ways of selling libertarianism that I don't really like, or they had some associations that I don't really like.
[00:19:29]  I, you know, I don't know what the example would be, but like they're too, they were too friendly with groups of people I didn't like.
[00:19:36]  And they had done podcasts with people I really, really hate, but they were really cool with them and friendly with them and, you know, whatever.
[00:19:43]  Maybe there were some policy disagreements here and there that we disagreed on, but they were like against the lockdowns, against the wars, against the Fed, against the bailouts, against, you know, all this stuff.
[00:19:53]  And they were just bringing in tens of thousands of people to the movement and inspiring them.
[00:19:59]  I mean, there's no question about it.
[00:20:02]  I would go, look, this is great.
[00:20:04]  And I, you know, like, hey, it's not exactly the way I wanted it to happen, but God bless them.
[00:20:09]  We all got to get on board with them, you know, if even like, say there's like people who I really like and I'm friendly with, but like some of the guys at Reason Magazine who have a different way of selling liberty than the guys at the Mises Institute or the Ron Paul movement or something like that.
[00:20:23]  But if that's what was inspiring hundreds of thousands of young people and our way wasn't working, I'd go, hey, you know what, guys?
[00:20:30]  I guess we got to do it this way because this is what works and this is what actually gets people inspired.
[00:20:35]  I'd be thrilled, but I think part of that comes from the fact that I'm confident that I'll always have my platform and my voice and I'll still be able to, you know what I mean, bring value.
[00:20:45]  But if the only claim you have to the liberty movement is that I am the vice chair of this state party and you know if you lose that title, that's it.
[00:20:56]  No one wants to listen to you, take your phone calls, hear from you.
[00:20:59]  Like no one's interested in your show or your books or your articles or anything like that.
[00:21:04]  Then I think that's, I think there's this insecurity of like, well, if I lose this little position, I lose my standing in the movement.
[00:21:11]  I have no other claim to relevance.
[00:21:12]  And I think that's what we're seeing a lot of.
[00:21:15]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:21:15]  And I totally agree with you.
[00:21:16]  I mean, look, I'm not a big fan of the guys, some of the guys at Reason either, and especially not Cato, obviously.
[00:21:22]  But if, you know, and it goes back to that dirty word populism, right?
[00:21:27]  Everybody's like, oh, populism.
[00:21:28]  Murray Rothbard did populism.
[00:21:30]  Oh, populism.
[00:21:30]  It's like, that's a good thing.
[00:21:32]  In my opinion, populism is a good thing.
[00:21:34]  If we can bring the message of liberty to hundreds of thousands of people through what's popular, then why wouldn't we be doing that?
[00:21:43]  It doesn't make any sense.
[00:21:44]  And the truth is that if you go, right, if you're trying to sell libertarianism to regular people, which is what we're looking for.
[00:21:52]  And again, when I say regular people, I don't mean this as an insult.
[00:21:54]  I mean, like, we're not regular people.
[00:21:56]  Like, we are, we live in this world of like libertarian philosophy.
[00:22:01]  Most people don't, you know, like you're, you're not going to get your average trucker or waitress or just like your regular American working class person to read man economy and state.
[00:22:15]  That's probably not how it's going to happen.
[00:22:17]  But you can tell them that these people are screwing you.
[00:22:21]  And like, that's really the message of populism, right?
[00:22:23]  That this, this, this ruling elite is screwing the vast majority of people.
[00:22:29]  And that is the case.
[00:22:30]  And libertarians understand that better than anyone.
[00:22:32]  Now, you know, a lot of people, they'll say, I did a whole podcast on late Rothbard and the paleo strategy and all of this stuff.
[00:22:40]  In fact, I may have done more than one on it, but definitely one entirely on it.
[00:22:43]  And people will say that we're trying to revive the paleo strategy or something like that.
[00:22:47]  And I've always said like, no, of course not.
[00:22:51]  I mean, I think we should learn from the paleo strategy and all other strategies and learn what worked and what didn't work.
[00:22:57]  But a strategy, by the way, that lasted from, I think, 1991 to 1994, before they all gave up on it, led by Hoppe and Rothbard, before they were like, this is not a good strategy anymore.
[00:23:08]  Of course, we wouldn't have the same strategy in 2021.
[00:23:12]  I mean, we're doing this.
[00:23:14]  This was not a thing in 1991.
[00:23:17]  You know what I mean?
[00:23:17]  Like, there's a whole different world.
[00:23:19]  You don't have to target what group you're going to go after.
[00:23:22]  But the essence of the paleo strategy was that the Soviet Union had collapsed.
[00:23:28]  And now there was this opportunity for the right wing to go back to being the non-interventionist old right party that Murray Rothbard loved.
[00:23:37]  Now, I understand why they would have thought in 1991 that might be the angle to go, but we have a lot more data and a lot more technology and a lot more info.
[00:23:45]  So our strategy is, as you just said, is libertarian populism to everybody, to disaffected right-wingers and left-wingers and just apolitical people who just smell corruption in the whole system.
[00:24:00]  And look, even to people who are just mainline Nitt Romney supporters or Joe Biden supporters, although I think that will probably yield the least returns, that you're more, you're probably better off talking to a Trump supporter or a Tulsi supporter or a Bernie supporter than you are talking to a Joe Biden supporter.
[00:24:17]  But again, that's just my hunch.
[00:24:20]  And I think it's a reasonable assumption.
[00:24:22]  Sure.
[00:24:23]  Yeah.
[00:24:23]  And, you know, just to build off of what you said, the normal everyday working class person, when they think of the word libertarianism, they don't think of the Mises Institute.
[00:24:34]  They don't know the Mises Institute.
[00:24:36]  They don't know Cato.
[00:24:38]  They don't know Reason Magazine.
[00:24:39]  They don't know these things.
[00:24:40]  What they do know, unfortunately, for the last 50-something years is the Libertarian Party.
[00:24:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:24:47]  And so we have these great outlets that are really great educational tools like the Mises Institute.
[00:24:53]  Now you have these people trying to come into the Libertarian Party, trying to educate the masses, these blue-collar working class people like me, like Reed.
[00:25:01]  I'm a blue-collar working class guy too.
[00:25:03]  That's why I've done so well in that crowd is because that's who I am.
[00:25:07]  I know how to message those people.
[00:25:08]  It's what I've been my whole life.
[00:25:10]  But we want a libertarian party that uses the name libertarian and exudes libertarian philosophy and principles and policies.
[00:25:18]  And I haven't seen that.
[00:25:20]  We haven't seen that, you know, at least for the last decade or so.
[00:25:23]  And so, you know, it is an important strategy to reach normal everyday people, blue-collar people, that we have a party in the political sphere that is going to exude these principles.
[00:25:34]  And so I just, I just wanted to build on your point there.
[00:25:37]  You know, your point's absolutely 100% undoubtedly true.
[00:25:41]  You know, it's, it's, as long as we're this little idiot, you know, devoid of ideology group of people that are only care about intra-party races and only care about their own little county parties, we're never going to reach other people.
[00:25:58]  And so we bring that message on a larger scale to the party with the name libertarian in it.
[00:26:04]  And we start changing hearts and minds in the words of Larry Sharp, you know?
[00:26:08]  Yeah, no, 100%.
[00:26:10]  And it's just, you know, so many of the little pet issues.
[00:26:13]  And this is something I was talking about with Ben Burgess when he was on my show.
[00:26:17]  And Ben is a man of the left.
[00:26:19]  He is a socialist.
[00:26:21]  But he's a really bright guy.
[00:26:22]  And he wrote a really interesting book.
[00:26:24]  And we had a great discussion.
[00:26:26]  I haven't gotten any criticisms over that one.
[00:26:28]  But, you know, but one of the things I was saying, and I find a similar thing amongst libertarians, particularly the woke libertarians.
[00:26:37]  And I was saying that it's like, you know, you, the Democratic Socialists, their whole philosophy is built around support of the working class.
[00:26:46]  That is the entire thing is that they are there to support the working class, regular working class people.
[00:26:53]  But they have this problem where like their cultural values and priorities are completely out of step with the average working class person.
[00:27:02]  Like if you have some democratic socialist who's talking about microaggressions and like, like, go talk to a trucker about microaggressions.
[00:27:11]  Go sit on a construction site for a couple of days.
[00:27:13]  You're not going to make it.
[00:27:14]  Yeah, really.
[00:27:15]  I mean, it has, you know, and so many of the complaints of like, you know, well, I think that you were too sympathetic when you talked to this guy on the alt right or I think this joke was offensive or something like that.
[00:27:28]  It's like, dude, no regular working class people care about this.
[00:27:31]  These are upper, middle class, upper class, bougie white people values that nobody else, they do not resonate with anyone.
[00:27:40]  And it's not, you know, when you say working class, I think some people think I'm talking about like white people.
[00:27:44]  Go into the hood and start talking about LGBT issues.
[00:27:48]  You know what I mean?
[00:27:48]  Like see what, how quickly you get laughed out of there.
[00:27:51]  This is going to call you some slurs, probably.
[00:27:54]  Yes.
[00:27:54]  This only, this only resonates on college campuses and small meetings in the Libertarian Party or the Democratic Socialists of America or something like that.
[00:28:03]  There's no voice outside for it.
[00:28:07]  And that's, you know, but what you can talk to those people about is, hey, today, as we're recording this, you know what today is?
[00:28:14]  Today is tax day.
[00:28:15]  Hey, how much money did they take from you today?
[00:28:18]  What exactly are you really paying for?
[00:28:20]  In 2020, what did your government do for you that you now have this bill coming up for?
[00:28:25]  Oh, you can talk about that.
[00:28:27]  You can talk about how you're forced to pay for another one of these stupid wars, why your health care is so inflated, why the cost of education for your kids is so inflated.
[00:28:34]  I mean, these are like real issues, why the government won't let you go to work still.
[00:28:39]  You know, these are real issues that regular people actually care about.
[00:28:43]  And we have so many of them right at our disposal, you know?
[00:28:46]  So like, hey, maybe let's focus on those.

=== Texas Vaccine Mandates (14:13) ===

[00:28:49]  Sure, sure.
[00:28:50]  And that's, you know, it's one of the reasons why I liked the caucus in the beginning so much is because they were so big on focusing locally, you know, and I think that's where we have this opportunity to really make a difference in our communities.
[00:29:02]  And Jeff Hewitt from California, he's a city supervisor for, or a county supervisor for Riverside, California, Riverside County.
[00:29:09]  Huge county.
[00:29:10]  I mean, the county's constituency is bigger than probably like six other states, $2 billion a year budget.
[00:29:15]  I mean, it's not little.
[00:29:17]  And he started out as the as a city council member in Calamesa, became the mayor of Calamesa.
[00:29:22]  And what he got to do was he got to take all the police and firefighters off of the CalPERS retirements and got them all on their own private 401k, showed them how it could be better, you know, for them to do it this way and saved his city from going bankrupt.
[00:29:38]  Right.
[00:29:39]  And he was doing it while he was professing that he's a libertarian.
[00:29:41]  He's on the Libertarian National Committee and he built that repertoire in his county for libertarian policy.
[00:29:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:48]  And said, and said, look, this is what it can do for our city.
[00:29:51]  Vote me in as county supervisor.
[00:29:53]  Now he's doing this at a huge level, you know, and it's, it's, it really is.
[00:29:57]  That's, you know, that's why I got with the caucus is because they, he, you know, we were so focused, hyper-focused on that local, that local stuff.
[00:30:04]  And, and so, I mean, it really just, you know, plays right off of your point there.
[00:30:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:09]  No, absolutely.
[00:30:10]  100%.
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[00:31:34]  All right, so I wanted to switch gears, talk about something else a little bit, because I know that you've been over the last year, like me, a real skeptic of the whole COVID regime and the official science TM that's been coming out of Washington, the draconian lockdown policies, all of the craziness that we've lived under.
[00:31:57]  And it's a really interesting time right now, particularly in the last few weeks, where there's been, we have really been vindicated in a pretty major way.
[00:32:08]  You're finally getting your privileges back, Dave.
[00:32:10]  Well, that's right.
[00:32:11]  Yes, we are.
[00:32:12]  But I'll tell you, this one, now, of course, there's the CDC updates to the guidelines that are basically just, you know, everything that we've already known for quite a while, where it's like, you know, really basic things.
[00:32:23]  Like the idea of outdoor masking is really, really stupid.
[00:32:26]  There's never been any science to back that up at all.
[00:32:30]  In fact, even as the New York Times said, there is not one confirmed COVID case in the world that was transmitted from a casual outdoor encounter, such as walking past someone on the street.
[00:32:42]  It's simply not how viruses spread.
[00:32:45]  But just today, Texas released some new numbers.
[00:32:51]  Now, Texas opened back up.
[00:32:53]  They ended all of their restrictions.
[00:32:55]  I mean, they've been open for a while, but they ended every last COVID restriction.
[00:32:59]  There are zero government-mandated COVID restrictions in Texas.
[00:33:03]  There's no mask mandates.
[00:33:04]  There's no limits to capacity.
[00:33:06]  They're having huge events.
[00:33:07]  I know they just last night had a huge UFC event.
[00:33:10]  It was packed.
[00:33:11]  Must have been at least 15,000 people there.
[00:33:13]  No one's wearing masks.
[00:33:14]  They're cheering.
[00:33:15]  They're screaming.
[00:33:16]  There's got to be a lot of spit flying.
[00:33:18]  Oh, yeah.
[00:33:18]  They are screaming at the top of their lungs for these fighters.
[00:33:21]  Really great fights, by the way.
[00:33:23]  And they had a big boxing event there.
[00:33:27]  They're living right now.
[00:33:27]  All the Cowboys had a sold-out.
[00:33:29]  Yes.
[00:33:30]  That was at the end of the season, too.
[00:33:31]  I mean, it's right.
[00:33:32]  No, it was you.
[00:33:33]  Sorry, it was the Rangers, right?
[00:33:35]  It was the baseball team.
[00:33:36]  Oh, yes.
[00:33:37]  You're right.
[00:33:37]  That's right.
[00:33:37]  It was a baseball, a baseball game.
[00:33:40]  But I mean, I was just down in Texas a few weeks ago.
[00:33:43]  It's just open.
[00:33:44]  People are just living normally.
[00:33:46]  Normally, people are not.
[00:33:47]  I mean, there are some people wearing masks and stuff, but it's pretty much normal.
[00:33:51]  And it's all voluntary.
[00:33:52]  It's exactly what we would want it to be at this point, you know?
[00:33:55]  So Fauci, of course, predicted there was going to be disaster in Texas when they ended the restrictions.
[00:34:01]  So did every dumb talking head.
[00:34:03]  Yeah, every dumb talking head in the corporate press.
[00:34:06]  So the numbers today just came out.
[00:34:07]  Okay, this is this week's numbers for COVID in Texas.
[00:34:11]  Zero COVID-related deaths.
[00:34:14]  The only time that has happened since data was tracked in March of 2020.
[00:34:18]  The fewest COVID cases in over 13 months.
[00:34:21]  The lowest seven-day COVID positivity rate ever.
[00:34:25]  The lowest COVID hospitalization in 11 months.
[00:34:29]  There's your disaster.
[00:34:30]  But Dave, but Dave, it's because of the vaccine, dude.
[00:34:32]  You know what I mean?
[00:34:33]  That's what everyone's going to say.
[00:34:34]  And we always, so we always knew that was going to happen.
[00:34:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:34:37]  always knew that once stuff was opened back up and then the cases were dropping and everything.
[00:34:41]  Either they were going to say, well, it was because we had these draconian lockdowns or the mask mandates, or it was because they had a vaccine and the vaccine stopped people from dying.
[00:34:49]  But then you have reports of whole baseball teams getting COVID after already being fully vaccinated.
[00:34:55]  So you can't tell me it's just because of the vaccines.
[00:34:58]  It's clearly not.
[00:34:59]  Well, look, here's the, on one hand, it's not, that's not a rebuttal because if Fauci is saying this is going to be a disaster and it's not, well, then he's wrong.
[00:35:09]  And if it's because of the vaccines, then shouldn't our leading epidemiologists know that, oh, this won't be a disaster because of the vaccines, right?
[00:35:16]  So even if it is, then that's right.
[00:35:18]  Yeah, right.
[00:35:19]  Well, the one who's put up there as the leader, who's quite possibly responsible for this whole thing.
[00:35:24]  But, you know, so it's like, okay, so even if the vaccines are a part of it, then my response to that would just be like, okay, great.
[00:35:33]  So then what they were never forced.
[00:35:35]  There was no COVID passport.
[00:35:36]  There was any of that.
[00:35:37]  So the people who want to take the vaccines can, but certainly a lot of people haven't.
[00:35:41]  And okay, it still doesn't seem to be a problem.
[00:35:43]  But the truth is that right now, and we don't know the exact numbers, but there is a tremendous amount of natural immunity to COVID that's out there.
[00:35:53]  And that is a big part of the reason why it's just not spreading in these places.
[00:35:57]  And no one wants to admit that.
[00:35:58]  But of course, this is, this isn't anti-science.
[00:36:01]  This is the most basic virology that you could imagine.
[00:36:05]  People who have had the virus have developed antibodies to it.
[00:36:08]  And so they're less likely to get sick at this point.
[00:36:11]  And you're much less likely to have these, you know, what they call super spreader incidents where lots of people get it because so many people have immunity at this point, natural or from the vaccine.
[00:36:21]  Well, the whole thing is just, it's never made any much sense to me, right?
[00:36:23]  So I moved to Iowa at the beginning of the lockdowns last year in March.
[00:36:27]  Iowa never locked down.
[00:36:28]  I mean, it just never was a lockdown here.
[00:36:30]  You know, they had a mask mandate for like two months, which ended months and months and months ago.
[00:36:35]  Lots of people don't wear masks, you know, and it just never was a huge problem in Iowa as far as our COVID numbers were never that high.
[00:36:43]  No one ever talks about Iowa.
[00:36:44]  I mean, no one ever talks about Iowa in general.
[00:36:47]  But, you know, and so where I left from was California.
[00:36:50]  You know, I lived in the Bay Area right outside of Oakland.
[00:36:53]  I hopped on a plane five minutes before the 24-hour lockdown started and flew to Iowa to quarantine with my girlfriend at the time and just ended up staying.
[00:37:00]  I never went back.
[00:37:01]  I got a good job here and all that stuff.
[00:37:02]  But they just never locked down.
[00:37:04]  They never had this big, huge, huge spike in cases.
[00:37:06]  There wasn't tons of deaths here.
[00:37:08]  And then it comes out, you know, they did a study.
[00:37:12]  The majority of the spread was happening in homes, in people's homes.
[00:37:18]  And then it was, well, it was because of the lockdowns.
[00:37:20]  That's why.
[00:37:20]  Well, Iowa didn't have that problem.
[00:37:22]  And it was still spread by people in their homes.
[00:37:25]  And we weren't locked down.
[00:37:26]  Florida, still, the biggest spread was in people's homes.
[00:37:28]  It wasn't outside.
[00:37:29]  It wasn't at events.
[00:37:30]  It wasn't at the grocery store.
[00:37:31]  It wasn't at a restaurant sitting 10 feet away from somebody else.
[00:37:34]  But they've been pushing this trust of science for over a year, you know?
[00:37:39]  And now we're finding out that the science that we were sold by Dr. Fauci, I mean, really, that's who it was, was never always the truth.
[00:37:47]  I mean, he's even admitted several times on the mask thing that he just said that because it was common sense, not because it was, you know, the facts or scientific fact or whatever, just because it made sense.
[00:37:58]  It was common sense.
[00:37:59]  And it's like, no, it's not.
[00:38:01]  You know, masking our children who are 10 years old and nine years old and seven years old every single day for eight hours a day while they're at school is not good for their immune system, especially when they have no problem with the virus.
[00:38:12]  So it's just been, I mean, you know, I, our family lived our lives this whole time.
[00:38:17]  We never stopped.
[00:38:18]  We didn't put the mask on all the time.
[00:38:19]  The kids unfortunately had to wear it when they went back to school, but we just kept living.
[00:38:22]  I kept going to work.
[00:38:23]  Julia kept going to work.
[00:38:25]  You know, we kept going to the grocery store.
[00:38:26]  We went, you know, we went to any kind of events we could find, the church, whatever.
[00:38:31]  It never affected us because we, first of all, we don't have cable TV.
[00:38:34]  You know, that's, that's probably the biggest difference.
[00:38:36]  It's asthamish, but it's been horrendous for society in general, society, right?
[00:38:44]  I mean, the mental conditioning that has been done over the last year is going to last for decades.
[00:38:50]  There's no doubt about it.
[00:38:51]  That's for sure.
[00:38:52]  And it is, you know, I've been almost a little bit, so I, you know, I basically kept living my life as well.
[00:39:00]  I mean, with the exception of like, okay, comedy clubs are shut down, so I can't go do stand-up.
[00:39:04]  Like, I, you know, I have no control over that.
[00:39:07]  And some gigs that I had were just were canceled, you know, so there was that.
[00:39:11]  But I have in general, and kind of, I guess, because of the libertarian principle involved, but I have like when there's stores that have, you know, you must wear a mask, like whatever, I'll throw a mask on while I go in the store.
[00:39:24]  Although I don't like it.
[00:39:25]  I'm not a fan of it.
[00:39:26]  And I think it's really stupid and based on pseudoscience, because again, it's like the only real precaution that you should take even inside like a supermarket or something like that is like, yeah, don't get two feet in front of someone and have a long conversation with them.
[00:39:42]  That's how you get this.
[00:39:43]  You don't get it from us passing each other in the aisle with our shopping carts.
[00:39:48]  It's just, it's not a concern.
[00:39:51]  But I have been more and more in my own little mini protest way, just not wearing the masks in businesses and hotels and things like this.
[00:40:01]  And it's just, it seems like people kind of got to start doing this.
[00:40:05]  Now, if push really came to shove and someone comes over to me and they're like, sir, you have to wear a mask in this establishment.
[00:40:10]  I'll put it on.
[00:40:11]  I believe in property rights.
[00:40:12]  This is their business.
[00:40:13]  They have a right, you know, to tell you to do that.
[00:40:15]  But I am starting.
[00:40:16]  And I also, look, I just recognize like in many cases, it was the state forcing them and they don't want to get in trouble.
[00:40:22]  And also, you know, a lot of times you're not dealing with the person who set the policy.
[00:40:26]  You're dealing with Susan, you know, and like, I don't, I don't want to just make her day harder for no reason, you know, like just to be a decent human being.
[00:40:34]  But I would say I was at this hotel when we were doing the Mises Caucus event and a lot of people are walking around with no masks, even though they say you're supposed to wear a mask in the lobby.
[00:40:44]  And I'm just like, yeah, I'm not really doing that.
[00:40:46]  And you go up to the front desk and it's like the people are in masks and they have a glass plate in front of them.
[00:40:51]  And you're like, okay, so then you know what?
[00:40:52]  Then I don't really need to wear the mask.
[00:40:54]  Like if you have a mask and a glass plate in front of you, I'm just going to breathe in your oxygen.
[00:40:59]  I think we're all fine.
[00:41:00]  No spitballs are being going back and forth here.
[00:41:03]  And no one said anything.
[00:41:04]  And it's still, I think the tide is starting to turn a little bit on this, where people are kind of like, those of us who are not traumatized by this last year are like, okay, we are, we, we need to start pushing these other people back to normal, sane behavior.
[00:41:19]  Yeah.
[00:41:19]  They need to start seeing more fresh faces.
[00:41:21]  I mean, that's true.
[00:41:22]  You know, here, here, it was funny because they, they had this mask mandate briefly.
[00:41:26]  It was brief.
[00:41:26]  I mean, got a month or two, maybe tops, and then they relaxed it.
[00:41:30]  And everyone's still wearing masks.
[00:41:31]  We, we almost, I mean, even during the mandate, we'd still go to restaurants or whatever.
[00:41:35]  We didn't wear the shit.
[00:41:36]  But now the only places that I've had someone tell me I have to wear a mask was Trader Joe's, which just lifted that just like last week, right?
[00:41:44]  And Target.
[00:41:44]  And so I stopped going to Trader Joe's and Target.
[00:41:47]  I just started, I kept going to Hy-Vee or Fairway or whatever their little podunk grocery stores are here.
[00:41:53]  But it's like every time I go, I see more people without a mask.
[00:41:56]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:57]  Because they see more people without a mask.
[00:41:58]  They're like, oh, you know what?
[00:41:59]  Maybe we don't got to wear that shit.
[00:42:01]  That guy's not dead.
[00:42:01]  That's cool.
[00:42:02]  And so I think that's, we have to lead by example, man.
[00:42:05]  We have to take the shit off.
[00:42:06]  We have to tell people that, you know, you don't, you know, you, you don't have to wear that because of me.
[00:42:11]  I always say that when I go to the gas station, the guy, he'll have it down under his chin and you'll see me come in and start living.
[00:42:15]  I'll be like, no, no, no, you don't have to put that on because of me, man.
[00:42:17]  That's totally cool.
[00:42:18]  I'm not worried about it.
[00:42:19]  You know what I mean?
[00:42:20]  And they say it's only for my protection anyway.
[00:42:22]  So you just keep it off.
[00:42:23]  I'm good.
[00:42:23]  I'm protected.
[00:42:24]  You know what I mean?
[00:42:24]  Right, right.
[00:42:25]  Well, particularly now, and I really do think that, you know, it's like, if people believe in the vaccine and people want to take the vaccine, then go for it.
[00:42:35]  I mean, I encourage people to do their own research or talk to, talk to a doctor, talk to not a TV doctor, like not a politicized doctor.
[00:42:43]  I'm not the expert on this.
[00:42:44]  Go talk to someone about it.
[00:42:46]  I'm not doing it, but if you want to, that's fine, you know?
[00:42:50]  And then you have less to worry about, you know, like, okay, if you think that it's safe and the vaccines are effective, then go take them.
[00:42:57]  And then, okay, now you can take your mask off and you don't have to worry about this.
[00:43:00]  Don't worry about it on account of me.
[00:43:02]  You know what I mean?

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[00:43:03]  Like, that's let's get back to living life.
[00:43:05]  Well, and even better, I mean, hey, look, if you want to keep the mask on forever, go ahead, man.
[00:43:09]  I don't care.
[00:43:10]  Like, that has no effect on my life whatsoever.
[00:43:12]  What has effect on me is when you're like, you're taking the vaccine and you're wearing this mask or you can't go grocery shopping anymore.
[00:43:17]  Like, fuck you.
[00:43:18]  Stop me.
[00:43:19]  Yeah.
[00:43:19]  You know what I mean?
[00:43:20]  Like, that's where, that's where I'm at with it.
[00:43:21]  And luckily, I'm in Iowa.
[00:43:23]  You know, people, the poor people in California and Oregon, especially where they're talking about having a permanent mask mandate, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, I feel bad for you, man.
[00:43:30]  But I'm in Iowa where it's like, you know, nobody's going to, no one, I haven't even ever had anybody really look at me sideways for not wearing a mask here.
[00:43:36]  Luckily.
[00:43:37]  You know what I mean?
[00:43:38]  It's a, it's a very different vibe in New York City.
[00:43:43]  I'll tell you that for sure.
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[00:45:46]  I was doing, I was in the city the other day.
[00:45:48]  I was doing a Gutfeld at Fox News, and they do the show in studio and they rapid test everybody before you go in.
[00:45:56]  So we're all tested for COVID.
[00:45:59]  If you have it, they don't let you in.
[00:46:00]  So everybody there is tested.
[00:46:02]  And they even said, by the way, the producer said to me, they go, since we were doing the show, no one's tested positive for COVID.
[00:46:07]  Like no one's had it.
[00:46:09]  But so everybody, so we all go in and I'm going inside and I just don't have a mask on, of course.
[00:46:16]  And then there's like, I see like other people on the staff and stuff walking around with masks on.
[00:46:21]  And I'm like, we were all just tested.
[00:46:24]  Like, I mean, okay, maybe you could argue that there's some like incredibly tiny percentage chance that someone has it, but didn't show up positive on the test, but is still contagious.
[00:46:35]  And the odds of that are like so incredibly low if you actually follow the science.
[00:46:41]  With the rapid test, especially.
[00:46:42]  Right, right.
[00:46:43]  But like, I'm saying like, okay, for such a tiny risk, you know, at what point are we just normal people?
[00:46:50]  I mean, this is, if you're wearing a mask due to that.
[00:46:54]  just incredibly unlikely tiny risk.
[00:46:56]  This is like saying you won't cross the street because you could get hit by a car.
[00:47:00]  You won't get in a car because you could be in a car accident.
[00:47:02]  I mean, at some point, it's like, guys, we were all tested.
[00:47:04]  We're negative.
[00:47:05]  I'm going to breathe.
[00:47:06]  I'm not going to sit here not breathing for the next hour, you know, or breathing.
[00:47:10]  Well, and in fact, those people, most of those people probably had a better chance of dying in a car accident than they did of dying from COVID.
[00:47:16]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:17]  I mean, there's so many people die a year.
[00:47:19]  And, you know, probably 20% of those people are going to die of a heart attack long before they ever die of COVID.
[00:47:24]  I mean, that's the figures.
[00:47:26]  That's the numbers.
[00:47:26]  That's what we know to be true.
[00:47:27]  And so it really is.
[00:47:29]  I mean, like I said, it's this psychological conditioning that's just going to last.
[00:47:33]  It's going to last a generation.
[00:47:34]  I mean, until the people that are having flashbacks of the COVID year are dead, it's going to last a generation.
[00:47:40]  There's just so many people out there that are wrecked forever because of the year of lockdowns and bad mental health and school closures and not being able to go to the restaurant, not being able to go to have a glass of bourbon with your friend at a bar.
[00:47:53]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:53]  This is the kind of shit that really weighed down on people's mental health.
[00:47:56]  And it's going to take a generation to wash that out at least.
[00:48:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:00]  No, it's really awful.
[00:48:02]  And particularly with the stuff that was done to children.
[00:48:05]  I said at my speech at the Mises Caucus event, I said at one point that I said, I was talking about what they've done to children with these COVID restrictions.
[00:48:16]  And I said, everybody here knows a child who's fallen behind over this last year.
[00:48:21]  Everybody.
[00:48:22]  And people literally started shouting it out.
[00:48:24]  It was like this, like, it was such a depressing moment, but kind of beautiful in a weird way to like see everybody kind of come together on this.
[00:48:31]  But I literally just said that.
[00:48:32]  I go, everyone knows a child.
[00:48:34]  And then like one of the guys who was videoing is hit before, he goes, my son.
[00:48:38]  And then someone else was like, my nephew.
[00:48:40]  And like, it was this room of like three, 400 people.
[00:48:43]  And almost everybody had like something like this kid I know.
[00:48:47]  You know, this kid was straight A student.
[00:48:49]  Everything was going good this year.
[00:48:51]  He's totally falling behind, flunking these classes, this and that, depression, anxiety, all of these things.
[00:48:56]  I mean, it's, it's, it's a, a profound tragedy.
[00:49:00]  There's, there's never been like this kind of mass child abuse on a national scale.
[00:49:07]  It's just, it's, it's damn awful.
[00:49:09]  And you're right.
[00:49:09]  It'll be, it'll be decades of easily, easily a generation.
[00:49:13]  And well, you know, like, like if you've been following my story at all, right?
[00:49:17]  We were, we were lucky enough to get custody of my 16-year-old daughter back in October.
[00:49:21]  And she had two small siblings who were going to go to foster care, basically.
[00:49:24]  And so we were able to get guardianship of them.
[00:49:27]  Now I'll be pushing to try and adopt them and stuff like that.
[00:49:29]  But they hadn't been to school in three years.
[00:49:32]  None of them.
[00:49:33]  One of them was just turned six.
[00:49:35]  So she's just old enough to really start going to school.
[00:49:38]  One of them was supposed to be in the fourth grade and hadn't been to school except for one day of the first grade.
[00:49:43]  That was it.
[00:49:43]  And he's now supposed, you know, almost 10.
[00:49:46]  And it's like, so when we got them, it was like, we need to get these kids in some kind of education, whatever, you know, whether it's homeschool, whatever we can do.
[00:49:54]  Unfortunately, Julie had to work because we had all these kids now, seven kids in the house.
[00:49:57]  And so we were able to get them in a public school, but the public school was only doing online.
[00:50:03]  That's all they would do.
[00:50:04]  And so, you know, that was one of the things.
[00:50:06]  It's like they didn't do these big shutdowns here, but they did really fuck with the children.
[00:50:10]  You know, the sports were closed.
[00:50:12]  Everything was closed.
[00:50:13]  And it's like, it's like, these are the one, this is the one demographic that we don't have to worry about when it comes to And the one demographic we should be willing to sacrifice everything else for.
[00:50:23]  Right.
[00:50:23]  That's kind of the whole point.
[00:50:25]  The future of this world is these children.
[00:50:27]  And so we have these kids who were, who had been through huge abuses and had been very damaged.
[00:50:33]  And we bring them to a new state and we're like, all right, we're going to get your lives on track.
[00:50:36]  And it's like, oh, but now they can't leave the house to go to school and hang out with people and make new friends.
[00:50:40]  And it's like, this is really damaging to these children who needed this.
[00:50:44]  You know what I mean?
[00:50:45]  They needed this.
[00:50:46]  Regardless of what kind of school it was, public school, I'm not a big fan of public schools.
[00:50:49]  We had to use what we could, but they were going to go make friends.
[00:50:52]  They were going to make new friends and new memories and shit.
[00:50:55]  And I watched it tear these kids apart.
[00:50:57]  Luckily, as soon as the sports opened back up here, I was able to get my heart son into wrestling.
[00:51:02]  Now he's going to football camp and wrestling camp and the girls getting ready to do Girl Scouts.
[00:51:06]  And so it's like, we are now finally back.
[00:51:08]  All the kids are fully in school, but they got to wear masks, but better that they get to hang out with nothing.
[00:51:12]  I mean, it was, it was traumatizing and damaging to regular kids.
[00:51:17]  Can you imagine how traumatizing and damaging it was to kids who have not had a regular life?
[00:51:22]  Yeah.
[00:51:23]  No, it's, it's just horrible.
[00:51:24]  Yeah.
[00:51:25]  For people who don't know about your family situation, which you've been very open about and talked about publicly a lot, that you, you went from being a bachelor, a single guy with, with no kids in the house, to now, what, you have seven?
[00:51:40]  Seven.
[00:51:40]  One of them was my granddaughter, if you can believe that.
[00:51:42]  I'm 38-year-old grandpa now.
[00:51:44]  So yeah, last March, you know, I was traveling for the, for my second chair run in 2020.
[00:51:51]  It was me and my best friend had a three bedroom track house in California, right outside the San Francisco, Oakland area.
[00:51:56]  Very expensive, very hard to live there, but we were doing all right.
[00:51:59]  And then I met my girlfriend on the road here in Iowa.
[00:52:03]  And then when everything started to shut down, they were going to shut down the rest of my conventions.
[00:52:07]  I couldn't go to work because I had a stuffy nose and I worked in a nursing home.
[00:52:10]  And so they said, you have to go get a test before you can come back because it's a nursing home, right?
[00:52:14]  Okay, I get that.
[00:52:15]  California was testing 500 people a day.
[00:52:17]  They would refuse to test anybody unless they were actively dying, basically.
[00:52:22]  And so I called them.
[00:52:23]  I was like, well, you guys are going to have to find yourself a new maintenance director.
[00:52:25]  I hopped on a plane because I had a bunch of plane tickets left over and flew back to Iowa.
[00:52:28]  I was only going to be here for two weeks.
[00:52:30]  And I ended up, you know, deciding I was going to stay.
[00:52:32]  I found a really good job.
[00:52:33]  My girlfriend had two girls already, two beautiful girls, eight and three.
[00:52:39]  And then we got pregnant in April.
[00:52:41]  And so we had a kid on the way.
[00:52:43]  And then I was able in October of last year, we got custody of my daughter, her two little siblings that are nine and six.
[00:52:50]  And then my daughter was also pregnant when we went down there.
[00:52:52]  We found that out on the way down to Arkansas to pick them up.
[00:52:54]  So we had our baby December 31st, New Year's Eve.
[00:52:57]  And then we had my granddaughter the day after my birthday, March 14th of this year.
[00:53:02]  And so now there's seven children from 16 to two months old.
[00:53:06]  And it's wild.
[00:53:07]  And I did it in one year, man.
[00:53:08]  And my girlfriend, when I met her, she's like, now I want you to know I want 10 kids.
[00:53:11]  I was like, well, let me give you seven in a year.
[00:53:13]  And then that's pretty good.
[00:53:15]  That's pretty damn good.
[00:53:16]  All right.
[00:53:16]  Well, it's good.
[00:53:17]  It's good you got a woman who wants a lot of kids.
[00:53:20]  She's like, I want 10 kids.
[00:53:22]  Like, well, buckle up because we might knock that out.
[00:53:25]  I'll tell you, when I found out I was going to get, so I've been trying to get custody of my daughter for 10 years.
[00:53:30]  I mean, it was a helped shit show.
[00:53:32]  She's in a bad situation.
[00:53:33]  I was trying to do something better for her.
[00:53:36]  But my, when I, when I came to Julia, my fiancé now, we got fiancéed recently.
[00:53:42]  I, uh, I said, hey, there's a chance I might be able to get my 16-year-old daughter.
[00:53:46]  I don't know how you feel about that.
[00:53:48]  She goes, when do we leave?
[00:53:49]  You know, without a hesitation.
[00:53:50]  Then I was like, and also there's a chance we could get her two younger siblings to keep them from going into the system or whatever.
[00:53:57]  And she goes, great.
[00:53:58]  When do we leave?
[00:53:59]  And it was like no hesitation at all.
[00:54:00]  It was like, you know, that was kind of the moment for me where I was like, I'm going to be with this woman for the rest of my life.
[00:54:04]  I mean, that's, you know, no, I don't know any woman.
[00:54:07]  That would just be like, yeah, just, let's go.
[00:54:09]  Let's leave tomorrow.
[00:54:10]  Yeah, it might be a conversation or something.
[00:54:12]  Yeah, at least, at least.
[00:54:13]  Yeah.
[00:54:14]  She was like, great.
[00:54:14]  When do we leave?
[00:54:15]  I was like, look, they've been through rough times.
[00:54:16]  It's probably going to be a challenging thing.
[00:54:18]  It's not going to be easy for us.
[00:54:20]  You know, there's talks that the little one that I didn't know may have some learning disabilities and stuff.
[00:54:25]  And she's like, great.
[00:54:26]  When do we leave?
[00:54:27]  So it was really, it was really cool for me.
[00:54:29]  And it's been a challenging year, but also probably one of the best, you know, definitely the best year of my life.
[00:54:37]  Yeah.
[00:54:37]  No, that's pretty incredible.
[00:54:39]  Well, thank God for Costco.
[00:54:42]  I saw my gospel.
[00:54:43]  You posted your video.
[00:54:45]  And I feel like, I mean, I just have like my wife who's pregnant now.
[00:54:49]  We have a daughter and stuff.
[00:54:50]  And like, when we'll go shopping, sometimes like, man, we got a lot of food in this house.
[00:54:55]  But seeing your thing where it's literally, it's that, was it the Seinfeld Costco episode where Kramer's got like a thing of beans that goes up to the ceiling and like that?
[00:55:03]  It's like, yeah, you're probably tearing through that stuff.
[00:55:05]  Yeah, it's, I mean, it's a, it's a $500 trip every time we walk inside of Costco.
[00:55:09]  I mean, that's just how it is.
[00:55:10]  And that's, that's how we got to live our life.
[00:55:12]  It's like, yeah, I got a really good job here and do really well.
[00:55:14]  I mean, and living in Iowa is like one-third the cost of living in California.
[00:55:18]  So it's like, I make more money here than I did in California.
[00:55:21]  So I'm rich.
[00:55:21]  You know, I'm not really rich, but with seven kids, you're just, you can't be rich with seven kids.
[00:55:25]  You know what I mean?
[00:55:27]  Trash takeout has got to be rough.
[00:55:29]  There's got to be a lot of trash produced.
[00:55:31]  Yeah, it is a lot of trash.
[00:55:32]  And we, and we, uh, we try to keep it all in the trash can, you know, sometimes it's stacked a little high, which is another cool thing about Iowa, even if your lid's open, it's stacked a little high.
[00:55:41]  They'll still take it in California.
[00:55:42]  If the lid's open, they won't take your trash.
[00:55:44]  So it's, you know, it's good.
[00:55:46]  It's good.
[00:55:46]  We're doing all right.
[00:55:48]  Well, it's great, man.
[00:55:49]  And God bless you guys.
[00:55:50]  And it's, it's really an incredible story.
[00:55:52]  And, and it's really, it's, it's amazing that you, you would do that, particularly for those kids who aren't yours, who were just your, your daughter's siblings.
[00:56:01]  And, you know, I know a lot of people in your situation would have understandably, and no one would judge you for it if you were like, look, man, we got, I got my daughter, a grandkid on the way.
[00:56:12]  I got another baby.
[00:56:13]  I'm just not in a position to be able to take these other kids in.
[00:56:17]  And so I think it's really wonderful that you did that.
[00:56:20]  Thanks, man.
[00:56:20]  Yeah, I appreciate it.
[00:56:22]  There was two reasons.
[00:56:23]  One, I didn't want to split my daughter.
[00:56:24]  My daughter had been kind of mothering these two kids.
[00:56:26]  I didn't want to split them up.
[00:56:27]  That would have been horrible for these children.
[00:56:28]  It would have been horrible for my daughter.
[00:56:30]  But also, I wanted to live my philosophy, right?
[00:56:33]  Like, I don't want kids to be thrown to the system.
[00:56:37]  And that's what was going to happen to these kids.
[00:56:39]  And their behalf shared blood with my daughter.
[00:56:41]  So it was like, you know, through kinship, I can, you know, I can help raise these kids, do whatever it is.
[00:56:46]  And keep them out of the system.
[00:56:48]  And there is something about that.
[00:56:49]  It's a really interesting thing about having kids and having a family where it does, it really binds people together in a very like profound way.
[00:56:58]  And I feel this way about like my wife's family that like after me and my wife had our daughter, that it's like, they are my family now.
[00:57:06]  And not just like in some legal sense, but you're like, like my mother-in-law is my daughter's grandmother.
[00:57:12]  And that makes her me.
[00:57:14]  You know, we may not share DNA, but like we share this pod of DNA that has both of ours in it.
[00:57:21]  And that kind of, so I get that, that, that instinct or like feeling that way about your daughter's siblings and your children now.
[00:57:30]  All right.
[00:57:30]  So let me ask you, as we're coming toward the end of time here now, I know that you're still on the LNC chair or I'm sorry, you're still on the LNC committee and you're doing the podcast.
[00:57:45]  You're not running for chair this time.
[00:57:48]  You're supporting Angela as we all are.
[00:57:50]  What do you, do you have like ideas for what your plans are in the future?
[00:57:54]  Do you just want to do the show and keep growing that now?
[00:57:56]  I mean, obviously you got your hands full with those 64 kids or whatever you got there.
[00:58:02]  But do you have anything like, what's the future for Josh Smith?
[00:58:05]  Well, definitely, definitely break the cycle for now.
[00:58:07]  I mean, this is, this is, it was my way to continue my work.
[00:58:11]  Like you said, you know, talking that libertarian shit, trying to grow a platform that I can talk that libertarian shit and make more new libertarians.
[00:58:18]  So that's, that's where I'm focused right now.
[00:58:21]  But there is, there's talks of me running for a public office.
[00:58:24]  You know, I talked about, I threw around the idea of maybe running for Congress against the only Democrat congressional person they have here that actually won her election against the Republican by two points.
[00:58:34]  So, you know, covering that spread might be a way to shake some things up in Iowa.
[00:58:38]  I'm always going to work inside the libertarian activist sphere in some way.
[00:58:44]  But, you know, right now I got to focus on the family, making sure these kids are good.

=== Libertarian Party Treasurer (03:50) ===

[00:58:48]  Being able to do this show from my basement like I am now really is it's it's everything to me because that's that's the way I can keep talking this libertarian shit and keep growing the movement.
[00:58:58]  And so for me, for now, that's what I'm doing.
[00:59:01]  But there, I will definitely definitely in the future I'm running for a public office no matter what.
[00:59:05]  I mean, whether it, whether it's city council or Congress or whatever, I mean, I'm running for something because I think that using that platform to message to normies that don't watch my show is a good thing.
[00:59:16]  So for, you know, at least for the next couple of months, the show, building the platform, which is growing really fast.
[00:59:22]  We're at 2,500 subscribers on the YouTube now.
[00:59:24]  I just started two months ago.
[00:59:26]  The Patreon's doing well.
[00:59:28]  The show is coming along.
[00:59:29]  I got great guests like Dave Smith and cool people like that.
[00:59:33]  But folks on work getting our schedules in order with the seven kids, making sure that they're on a nice structured schedule.
[00:59:40]  And then we'll start thinking about things in the future.
[00:59:41]  As far as the LNC goes, I've said that I'm not going to run for another position on the LNC.
[00:59:46]  I've been on it for two years.
[00:59:47]  I think a lot of people are like, well, you didn't ever win chairs, so you didn't win.
[00:59:50]  And I'm like, look, four years ago when I started this shit, I set out on a mission to make sure that Nicholas Sarwark was irrelevant.
[00:59:58]  And a couple of weeks ago, he got noted for treasurer of a state party.
[01:00:02]  I got elected treasurer for a county party by going to the bathroom once.
[01:00:06]  So I think at the end of the day, the mission I set out on to move the Overton window in the Libertarian Party has been largely successful.
[01:00:14]  And I don't think anyone can deny that anymore.
[01:00:16]  Well, and the progress between, look, I mean, and this is the thing that I tried to like kind of remind people at the event the other day, the fact that this caucus is three and a half, four years old and that this was nothing but an idea that was just manifested into reality.
[01:00:31]  And it's at a point now where it is the force in the Libertarian Party.
[01:00:35]  And I really don't think anyone can deny that.
[01:00:37]  Even our fiercest critics are saying we invoked a never before used bylaw in order to stop what was obviously going to happen, right?
[01:00:46]  So there's an admission there.
[01:00:48]  And the truth is that from, what was it, 2018 to 2020, you went in your chair race from, I mean, what were the numbers?
[01:00:57]  So, I mean, I doubled.
[01:00:58]  I doubled.
[01:00:59]  I went from like 163 votes in 2018 to losing by less than 100 votes in 2017.
[01:01:05]  So the percentages were like in the 20s to the 40s or something.
[01:01:08]  Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly.
[01:01:09]  It was, it was definitely, I think I went from like 18% to 41% or 42%.
[01:01:14]  I mean, it was, it was more than double.
[01:01:16]  And, and, and there's still some speculation about those votes, you know what I mean?
[01:01:20]  At the 2020 convention, it's something that, you know, I don't really talk about because I just don't give a shit.
[01:01:24]  But, you know, every single motion on the floor at the national convention was around 650 votes.
[01:01:31]  And the first election for chairman was around 930-something votes.
[01:01:36]  So, you know, kind of crazy.
[01:01:38]  I'm not going to get too far into it.
[01:01:39]  There's some people on the board that would like an audit of the votes.
[01:01:42]  We called for an audit from the floor.
[01:01:44]  Credentials was basically like, nothing I can do.
[01:01:46]  Sorry.
[01:01:46]  And walked off stage.
[01:01:47]  And it was like, hmm, okay.
[01:01:49]  Well, whatever.
[01:01:50]  I didn't give a shit.
[01:01:51]  I was done running at that point.
[01:01:52]  I'd been on the road for four years anyways.
[01:01:55]  But yeah, I mean, I think that there's better people coming into the into the movement now.
[01:02:00]  I think that there's better people that will be running for positions on the board.
[01:02:02]  And I think I've done what I set out to do, man.
[01:02:04]  And I think the, you know, like I said, four years ago when I started with the party, with the caucus, it was 50 people in a Facebook group, man.
[01:02:11]  Yeah, it's all it was.
[01:02:12]  That's all it was.
[01:02:13]  And now it's national.
[01:02:15]  It's fully national.
[01:02:17]  Listen, a lot of the haters of the Mises Caucus, if they had accomplished anything like what we have here with this thing, they would be talking up how incredible it is.
[01:02:26]  So the idea of trying to diminish what you did in those runs is ridiculous.
[01:02:30]  But look, I just want to say in closing here, in the same way that you said, you know, you want to live your libertarian principles and not let these kids go into the system and take them in if you can.

=== Rhino House Hardcore (06:30) ===

[01:02:39]  I'd really encourage listeners of the show, let's live our libertarian principles.
[01:02:44]  Go support Josh Smith.
[01:02:45]  Go subscribe to his show on YouTube.
[01:02:47]  Support his Patreon if you can.
[01:02:49]  He's got seven kids to take care of and is putting out really great content.
[01:02:52]  So go enjoy the show.
[01:02:54]  What's your YouTube channel?
[01:02:55]  If you just go to youtube.com backslash, fight the deskpots, because that's initially what the show was going to be called a while back and I just never was able to change the URL and I figured hey, that's kind of cool anyway.
[01:03:05]  So yeah, just fight the despots.
[01:03:07]  Yeah, it works for me.
[01:03:08]  And follow me on Twitter, man.
[01:03:09]  That's where my war with the blue checks not all the blue checks, but a lot of the blue checks uh is on twitter at Joshua at Large.
[01:03:14]  Uh, we have a lot of fun there too.
[01:03:16]  And um yeah, the patreon is patreon.com backslash breakthecycle js for Joshua Smith.
[01:03:21]  So um yeah, it's.
[01:03:23]  Yeah, i'd love any support, but definitely the youtube channel, because i'm trying to monetize that, trying to grift my ad revenue into being a stay-at-home dad, because I do have uh, I have eight dependents basically.
[01:03:33]  So yeah no, absolutely.
[01:03:35]  Well listen you're, you're doing great work Josh, I appreciate you taking the time today.
[01:03:38]  Go, support Josh's show, break the cycle, everybody.
[01:03:41]  Go uh, give that that a nice boost uh, and uh yeah, we'll have to do this again real soon.
[01:03:45]  Thanks a lot, brother.
[01:03:46]  Thanks a lot, brother.
[01:03:46]  I appreciate you.
[01:03:47]  All right, thanks for listening everybody.
[01:03:49]  Peace, all right guys, that's our show.
[01:03:51]  Remember to check out all of the great podcasts here at the GAS Digital Network.
[01:03:56]  This week we are featuring House OF Hardcore, which is Tommy Dreamers podcast.
[01:04:01]  It's a phenomenal show.
[01:04:03]  Here's a quick clip.
[01:04:04]  We're talking shop.
[01:04:06]  We're talking anything, rocky Romero, Carl Anderson and big lg, Doc Dallows he's got so many names I forget I have him in my phone.
[01:04:14]  So many different names.
[01:04:15]  Well well, let's go.
[01:04:16]  Let's be honest.
[01:04:17]  This is the House OF Hardcore podcast.
[01:04:18]  I'm a House OF Hardcore original.
[01:04:20]  On the first show, big Xlg.
[01:04:22]  Under one of my many 37 monikers, big Xlg, brother Tommy gave me that name.
[01:04:29]  We got to get to the House OF Hardcore one of these days.
[01:04:31]  Absolutely, we almost did when we were running hot in Japan with Bullet CLUB, I think weren't, we didn't?
[01:04:36]  We almost yeah, but I think we couldn't, we couldn't schedule it.
[01:04:39]  Yeah, Covet kind of killed that whole House OF Hardcore dream and something else we'll talk about.
[01:04:44]  Uh, Covet killed a lot of things.
[01:04:48]  When you know, we all grew up loving pro wrestling and if you think about the absurdness of actually pro wrestling, here is, i'm the world heavyweight champion, I have a very expensive suit, another man comes in, rips up my suit and now we're gonna fight till the death suit yeah.
[01:05:10]  Or even like, I hate you so much i'm gonna shave your head, brother.
[01:05:16]  Or how about I hate you so much i'm gonna cut your nutsack off and eat it?
[01:05:20]  I mean, that's the kind of thing.
[01:05:21]  You've taken it to the extreme.
[01:05:25]  That's the good thing about talking.
[01:05:26]  Chop a mania, too, right?
[01:05:27]  It's like we got all this fake stuff on there and it's all unreal.
[01:05:31]  It's all scripted.
[01:05:32]  It's all not real.
[01:05:33]  But then we have roll undershed, which is the real aspect of the fight.
[01:05:37]  That's the real part.
[01:05:38]  That's what I'm excited about.
[01:05:40]  They're not shoot fights.
[01:05:41]  They're hoot fights.
[01:05:42]  It's our answer to Rawl Underground.
[01:05:44]  It's the same thing when you see a faction like Retro Poopshin make their debut.
[01:05:47]  There's going to be three factions debuting on this thing.
[01:05:50]  I mean, it's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger all the time.
[01:05:52]  And that's what makes it so exciting and so much fun.
[01:05:55]  And to have people like Tommy Dreamer and Rhino and Just Incredible in the Roll Undershed.
[01:06:00]  Fuck, that's a that's a that's a that's a backyard wrestling kid's wet dream right there.
[01:06:04]  You know, I would have booked that all day long in 1998.
[01:06:07]  Can you imagine?
[01:06:09]  There's a who's who here, man.
[01:06:10]  I mean, like you just saying those three is good enough to just get I was such an ECW mark, dude.
[01:06:15]  I used to, I would get it through like UHF or VH, like some weird channel.
[01:06:20]  So I would like have to hold the bunny ears and then like go to my room and like stand like this.
[01:06:26]  And then I'd watch from like so far away, it's like super fuzzy, but I'd like loved every second of it.
[01:06:31]  I had to do that with Florida Championship Wrestling and that's what hooked me.
[01:06:36]  If we get to, if this is successful, which I know it will be because we're all going to be plugging it on socials.
[01:06:41]  And I know because from my piece that I was there, number one, we'll talk about Rhino going so, so hard, preparing like it's a real match.
[01:06:51]  He almost killed Laser, my minion brother.
[01:06:54]  I mean, he almost cut him literally in half.
[01:06:56]  I was losing my time here.
[01:06:59]  Well, you guys getting frustrated.
[01:07:03]  And I'm doing alternate commentary because I see a camera and I'm just healing the hell out of him like I normally do.
[01:07:10]  Rhino was getting frustrated with the kid he brought.
[01:07:14]  But I kind of think Rhino was going the, I'm not saying it was Rhino's fault because I respect the legend.
[01:07:20]  I just kind of think Rhino was going the wrong way.
[01:07:22]  I think, yeah.
[01:07:25]  It maybe, maybe could have been.
[01:07:27]  Rhino's a particular brother, right?
[01:07:29]  But you know what?
[01:07:30]  Hey, he's a legend.
[01:07:30]  So you know, it wasn't his fault.
[01:07:32]  It was that kid's fault.
[01:07:33]  It's like, fuck that kid.
[01:07:34]  Yeah.
[01:07:34]  It's a close one with the left, brother.
[01:07:36]  Remember that.
[01:07:37]  You know, I'm, I don't mean to put myself over, but I'm so uh ambidextrous.
[01:07:41]  I can DDT from either side.
[01:07:43]  I can spear from either side, but apparently that's why the spear and the gore are different.
[01:07:48]  It can only happen from one side.
[01:07:50]  And hey, that's why it's Rhino.
[01:07:52]  I feel like the gore and the spear are different.
[01:07:55]  I, but here's the other thing, guys.
[01:07:56]  That's my backyard.
[01:07:57]  And I filmed some Sex Ferguson stuff just for like Patreon out there.
[01:08:00]  And I fell down.
[01:08:02]  And that's not like I know rocks out there.
[01:08:05]  Precautions.
[01:08:05]  There's rocks out there.
[01:08:07]  And I was watching it back because I wasn't here, which we can talk about later.
[01:08:10]  I was driving me nuts, but he's just cutting these brothers in half.
[01:08:14]  And I mean, these aren't world-renowned pro wrestlers per se.
[01:08:17]  These are either up-and-comers or hobbyists, friends of ours.
[01:08:21]  And I'm like, fuck, Rhino's going to kill somebody in my backyard.
[01:08:23]  There's no way that they signed a waiver.
[01:08:26]  Well, you could say, like, in the first boner yard match, though, I knocked you down and you fell down on a boulder, right?
[01:08:32]  But he no sold it because everybody was around watching.
[01:08:35]  He didn't want to, he didn't want to show any pain or tears.
[01:08:38]  He said he lay there and was going, I couldn't, I couldn't walk for a week properly.
[01:08:43]  He landed on some, he lay on a rock that was like a, it was like a, it was like a sword.
[01:08:48]  Just pierced into my body.
[01:08:50]  That's when you get up and you do the old man, you pull up your pants a little bit and you say, I'm right back.
[01:08:55]  I'm right back.
[01:08:56]  I go make a phone call.
[01:08:59]  You couldn't even get up.
[01:09:00]  Oh, God.
[01:09:01]  I heard the one guy when Rhino gored him.
[01:09:04]  He went, yeah, his life was leaving his body.
[01:09:09]  It might have been Rhino